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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] mid this is morid we're apart again you guys it's
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like a [ __ ] running theme it's t the season like we both said at the exact same time last night that was wild that
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was yeah it's the season of uh weird stomach viruses so uh it has hit our household and so I decided you know
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let's not spread it around to anyone else yeah I said I'm happy here in my non diseased household yeah it's hit one
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of my kids we're hoping to contain it but you know how that goes everybody so yeah pray for us yeah well two out of
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three now technically yeah technically it has and just parents out there so you know weird virus strange virus very
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quick so that's good that's nice um it's a stomach virus but it's not as intense
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as like the normal like neuro virus or something like that yeah if you're going to have a stomach virus the best way to
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do it is this quick yeah I mean I'm going to knock on wood I'll take this one cuz it seems to be a literal 12-hour
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experience o and then they're kind of just on their way out of it like it started last night was over pretty quick
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with my my oldest and now she's she's sitting eating Saltines Queen and you know watching Bluey oh what I would give
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to be watching Bluey right now right she's Liv I love Bluey so much it's so soothing it is so soothing it really is
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I love it it's very nice so I'm hoping you know she'll be on the and and be eating by tomorrow like real food so
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we'll see yeah last week was a doozy of a week specifically but like it it was pretty rough for me but I feel like for
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you it was like there was a couple extra hits that you took that I didn't necessarily yeah um so we then we did
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like a little simmer pot I I'll post what we did it seemed to be a good one I did at my house twice and we did it in
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the Pod lab once and I feel like the negativity went away and then I feel like your oldest barfing she just barfed
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out the last of the negativity I know I feel like she's she's like a real one like she really is and I think she was
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just like I got it she's kind she's like uh she's like in The Green Mile John coffee I've never seen that he just like
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takes in all the bad stuff he'll like touch someone and take in all the bad stuff and then he evacuates it out of
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his body through like it's like bees or something or like oh okay I think I've seen like a preview of that yeah he just
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like he like coughs it all out yeah I feel like my my girl she did that last night she took all the [ __ ] of the week
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and then she just barfed it out yeah she said but she's a real one that's my girl
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right there you woke up to like a lot of good news this morning yeah we woke up to uh very good news about a guest we're
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going to have in the first part of the year next year like uh February uh we can't tell you yet cuz it's it's too
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exciting and we want to make sure we lock it down first but that's it's going to be a very exciting one it was like
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first thing in the morning it was like hey here you go and I was like oh you woke up and texted that like it was
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going to be a little bit before we could record so I like stayed in my warm cozy
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bed but I put my ringer on in case I went back to sleep and then I saw a group text with you and this
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person oh my God cuz we were just talking about it at the end of last week yes and we were about to check in just
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to be like oh do we do we think this will happen and they checked in which was wild yeah um so that's going to be
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exciting and then guys this is a big I knew ghost was announcing something this morning and I
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said oh no what is it what could it be and they had a chapter in the lore and they they edged us on Papa again but no
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they announced a [ __ ] World Tour I thought Alina was going to like like combust lost my damn mind and they come
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to Boston coming to they're shipping up to Boston they coming to Boston kid and I'm so [ __ ] excited where are they
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playing in Boston the TD Garden oh [ __ ] that's a that's a fun venue yeah he they're doing the big ones I was going
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to say yeah damn I think they're going to New York doing uh Madison Square Garden for the first time too that would
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be Square Garden is also such a fun venue I saw Harry Styles there very different but yeah very different but
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you know very very different but still wonderful still awesome yeah and Theatrical MH so there's that I want to
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go to that one really bad I feel like that would be a fun one to New York yeah yeah make it a whole I'll go to New York
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with you yes you heard it here folks as she's com I to New York with you to the New York
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show I'll go with you it will be but I'm really excited and that means I mean guys we're going to know who the new pop
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is soon because they haven't they redacted the name of the tour because I'm assuming it has something it would
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give something away yeah but this will be the new Papa on tour so we you must be getting new music I'm assuming I'm in
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I'm very interested to see like who this papa will be the next iteration of Papa
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yes I can't wait I I love the ex the excitement that you get is akin to a child on Christmas morning like the The
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Light Within your eyes even right now via Zoom I can it's it's just radiating at me it is I get so excited like when I
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saw that they were going to be announcing something today I sat with my little YouTube up and they count down
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and I just waited for it I love it I get excited for you it's so fun and like even when I see it I'm like oh SE I know
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you're you guys are always like here you go but we also and like this this ties in we went to the night fair this
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weekend because um I went there with wicked good books from Salem and we did like a fun little meet and greet signing
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thing like a very impromptu thing it was really fun and they still have some books and they ship everywhere yeah they
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still have some signed books so go um Butcher and The Ren and butcher game so check it out we'll link wicked good
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books in the show notes so you can go to it if you want to grab one um but I got
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to meet a ton of people and a lot of people the amount of people who said you got me into ghost mhm made my heart sore
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and it was so funny cuz it was like super cold so we had like big jackets on but anytime someone would say it I'd be
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like show them your shirt cuz she was literally wearing a Ghost shirt and it was like John obviously
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John showed me ghosts like a couple years ago and it's so fun that now I'm like spreading the good word that I'm
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just spreading the good word of ghost and it's nice to hear I love it I love seeing you guys like unite in the wild
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yes I love it whenever somebody says it I'm like [ __ ] yeah another one down I love it I love it a lot but we
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also got to meet one of my favorite people that I've ever met in my life no my favorite person I've ever met in my
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life Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea from Alaska Chelsea from Alaska just I said it too I was like I
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was like Chelsea this has been a [ __ ] week like it's been a real [ __ ] week like that morning Elena got a flat tire
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on the way to my house for book club and found out I have to replace all four of
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the tires on my vehicle at the same time that was my favorite you got one flat tire and they were like hey yeah
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actually all four of these are about to go and it wasn't even like a you know sometimes you go to the car dealership
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and they're like oh my God the whole car is broken should you just get a new one
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it was lit for real they're bald cuz Mikey had looked at your tires recently and was like yeah girly these are bald
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they're getting kind of bald so that happened and I was like oh awesome we're just taking this right into the weekend
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but then the night fair was so lovely and so amazing and everybody we met was so was such a [ __ ] shot in the arm
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like it was yes such a cool exper I love the night Fair Salem just gives me always gives me life just oh yeah
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breathing the air in Salem gives life it really does the second we like drive over like when you cross into to Salem
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we're both just like it's just like this nice little moment and then meeting everybody was
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just like the Salem night fair that environment is such a [ __ ] cool environment and then yeah Matt and Ryan
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absolutely kill it Chelsea we we kept Chelsea as a highlight on our Instagram because Chelsea forever when I tell you
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this the energy that Chelsea brought was unlike anything I have ever experienced
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yeah it but just pure pure light radiating out of Chelsea yes and and all her friends too and her sister yes and
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every they were all so lovely and I was like Chelsea I've had such a [ __ ] week
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including getting the flat tire this morning and I was like I think it the universe rewarded me for putting up with
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this week with you like I think they were like here's Chelsea yeah I truly believe that no Chelsea was iconic if
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you follow us on Instagram go find the Chelsea highlight and you will see just how iconic Chelsea is she just Chelsea's
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from Alaska she's a [ __ ] marine biologist like you could never be as cool as Chelsea you tried nobody can you
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you should try aspire to be as cool as as Chelsea but I don't know if you'll get there butd that's that's all of
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that's going to be my New Year's resolution is she just like be more like Chelsea yeah radiate the light that
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Chelsea radiates it was amazing and also it's so funny my my nephew Aiden who we've
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talked about a lot on this podcast I think he just texted me and said in all caps did you see that ghost is going
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back on to he just left I was like oh man I missed it I wanted to see that live reaction right I wanted to I wish I
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could have seen him but yeah so a wonderful start to the week not great last night but no but it it was the end
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you know she my my girly is feeling better this morning so I'm hoping that that that Trends in the right direction
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and we got two good good bits of news this morning so that was nice yeah I get to carve pumpkins with my nephews later
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I'm pretty stoked about that see the A+ Behavior today yeah it's a great Monday yeah and after this I'm going to go
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downstairs and I'm G to watch more Bluey with my girl [ __ ] you I'm gonna I I'm
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gonna watch Bluey by myself when I go downstairs hell yeah it's very calming but before we do that unfortunately
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everybody I'm going to take you to a dark place yeah now spooky season is never over here um never it's never over
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but you know when we are in the official spooky season mode we give you a lot of
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like the Paranormal stuff and the strange history and the haunted stuff and all that um and now I'm going to uh
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I'm going to rip you out of that with a bang she's like come on get in the True Crime car we're back in the True Crime
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car are uh we are doing a pretty uh a pretty big one today yeah we are doing Jerome brutos the foot fetish Slayer I
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didn't know his name was Jerome yeah you might know him as Jerry brutos M I do uh
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I didn't feel like we were on that level yet but I I probably will refer to him as Jerry because it's easier it is yeah
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I don't know why I think I've only heard him as Jerry mostly I think just because
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he's widely known as Jerry I get that if you've watched mind Hunter they portrayed him in a horrifyingly Accurate
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Way on there the way they do that with like every killer that they portray like Ed keer that was so accurate I was like
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did you hire Ed keer to act in this show oh yeah Richard spec and uh Son of Sam yep like David burkowitz I was like
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that's David burkowitz like it's crazy you brought him on the show like uncanny deaged him like it's really scary uh if
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you haven't watched mind Hunter it's a it's a brilliant show and it was taken away from us too soon yeah kind of
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ridiculous I need to finish season two it's pretty great but it's going to make you sad I'm sorry can I just tell you
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one thing Drew and I drew and I started Dexter oh my goodness yeah we've never seen it before I am so jealous that you
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get to experience it for the first time but I have to warn you we know the end is not going to it's it's it's one of
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those we've heard that the end is not quite like the beginning no no it's not but everybody loves it like so much like
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overall so I was like uh actually Drew said it he was like cuz it's on Netflix right now yeah and he was like have you
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ever watched Dexter and I was like I've seen I've seen the episode of Boyd Fowler because that's what me and Elina
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call each other but I've never seen beyond that it is the first few seasons are literally like immaculate yeah we
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watched the we watched the uh first half of the first episode but I fell asleep cuz it was after the night fair so it
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was late but I'm ready to die back in oh you're going to love it yeah I really like you're really going to love it I'm
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excited for you sorry I just had to tell you that but you know what back to back
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to business because yes here we go this is going to be a rough one so okay this one buckle up buckle up everybody so
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this is going to be two parts because there's just a lot going on uh you're going to need a minute okay so uh this
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takes place over the years of 1968 and very well into 1969 um it was in Salem Oregon several women
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went missing during that time and would later turn up dead all murdered horrifically and showing signs of being
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brutally tortured oh uh at first it seemed like they were never going to connect these women and they were never
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going to figure out what happened to them but luckily finally investigators questioned the friends of one of the
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victims who we will get to um and they finally came to identify their suspect and eventually arrested 30 30-year-old
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30 30 years old yeah when you look at him you say that's a hard 30 yeah well when you when you that full of yuck it
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usually is yeah it leeches out of you yeah uh 30-year-old Jerome Jerry brutos damn now ultimately Jerry was going to
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be convicted of the murders of Jan Whitney Karen sprinker and Linda Sally um and his capture and the study of his
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mind actually ended up establishing what would eventually become the FBI I's behavioral analysis unit oh really so he
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was part of that whole thing so it was a very p a very important capture very important event would crime so let's
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talk about Jerry shall we cuz I guess unfortunately we need to at least know what the [ __ ] was going on with that I
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don't know a lot about his like you know childhood or like entrance into life it's not great okay I mean I had a
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feeling when he ended up doing what he did that it probably wasn't awesome but then there are those cases where it is
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fine you know yeah I mean it's I feel like it's rare that it's like a very nurturing environment it is yeah but he
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was born January 31st 1939 in Webster South Dakota uh he was the second born to eileene and Henry brutos uh Henry the
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father he was kind of like when it came to employment he was very unstable um he would find work farming
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you know random odd job but he wasn't very good at it so he would end up having to move his family around a lot
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so they were never they didn't really have a lot of stability yeah and at no point would the brutos
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household be considered safe or supportive oh no for for those children uh Henry was a very insecure man because
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again he was not good at anything he did uh so you know what is there to be secure about I suppose you know U he was
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also uh an [ __ ] he flew into a rage a lot like very quickly he could not accept any kind of criticism what he
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deemed criticism um and eileene the mother was referred to as a stolid woman who dressed neatly and plainly oh okay
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it was made pretty clear from eileene the mother that Jerry's brother Larry was her favorite child oh that's always
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so [ __ ] up when people like yeah like you can't announce who your favorite is and so what is wrong with you that you
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have a favorite that's insane like like it's like what they're children that in and of itself is very strange to have a
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favorite but then to go the extra step and announce who it is is [ __ ] that's the thing like maybe you get along with
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one on like a better level and you feel like more of a connection there like maybe that's what she was talking about
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but it's like to then let the other one know that is messed up and then not just
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like work on that right yeah so she she really she was very much more supportive of his brother
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Larry and honestly she didn't make any bones about letting Jerry know that she wanted a girl and he and she was hoping
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he was a girl oh no so it's very it's a little it's got some ede Vibes with the mother kind of thing where it's like
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these awful feelings of like you're not good enough and you're not what I wanted
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and you like you weren't supposed to be born even you know yeah and she literally did not hide her
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disappointment that he was even born wow yeah that's somebody who should not have
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had children yeah and they didn't form a bond yeah if you have that like I understand you know like when you're
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like having kids being like Oh like I'd love a girl or like oh I'd love a boy but to be disappointed in what you get
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is insane you should be psyched that you have a healthy child exactly exactly like that's and because of this whole
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thing like they never bonded and she never made any attempt to bond with that child and then she was very abusive and
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hostile to him his whole life and just Jerry not Larry mostly I think she was just to Mo like I think she was in
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general but she very much took her anger out on him took it mostly out on Jerry I
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don't think Larry got as much at all that's so [ __ ] and later Jerry would describe his mother as stubborn and a
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selfish egotist oh okay damn yeah so she sounds like she was also like very uh narcissistic it does sound that way kind
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of Vibes so I'm not diagnosing but like has those yes um now this one incident that Jerry could remember from when he
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was younger definitely had a profound effect the kind of thoughts he would have later on I'm not saying what he did
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later on but like definitely led him into a strange thought process one afternoon while exploring an old
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junkyard when he was 5 years old that's good that he was just out in the junkyard at 5 yeah that's your youngest
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in the junkyard like imagine my youngest in a junkyard by themselves no no no um
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he was just you know he was out there 5 years old just exploring a local junkyard and he came across I know and
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he came across a pair of patent leather high heeled shoes in the trash awesome and his mother was a very very extremely
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conservative woman so she did not wear high heels she wore plain flats and that was it okay so he had never seen high
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heels so this was just something new to him he was just like whoa and he was kind of fascinated by them so he took
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them home okay because you like he's like he's five and so he's back in his bedroom and he's like playing with the
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shoes and he's putting them on himself he's just walking around like they're fun thing to play with and he was just
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kind of parading around his bedroom at 5 years old with these shoes which honestly so his mother caught him which
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any I feel like in any other circumstance this would just be like adorable oh you found like what the I
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hope those aren't dirty like fears like he let's watch they're from the trash yeah I'll get you some costume ones but
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she did not take it well she very different time yeah very different time and she was very conservative so this
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was how she felt no matter what and she was Furious she berated him she was very
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harsh on him she like punished him for it and demanded that he get rid of the shoes it's like at 5 years old you don't
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understand what is why that's wrong precisely that is literally what it's not wrong anyways but like you would
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understand why she would say it's wrong like and that's the thing he could not understand why she was angry right like
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why did that make you angry I didn't do anything to upset anybody I wasn't hurting anyone I wasn't hurting myself
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like I'm just playing with these things I found that aren't hurting anyone I don't understand what the problem is and
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so he didn't think he'd done anything wrong cuz he hadn't and and so he hid the shoes in his bedroom instead of
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getting rid of them okay and a few days later she found him playing with the shoes again and she was even more angry
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and then forced him to watch as she burned them in the backyard what the [ __ ] that's like sadistic and it's just
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[ __ ] weird Behavior like you're burning the shoes what the [ __ ] what are they going to do like what are you doing
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and not only that she then locked him in his bedroom for the rest of the day at 5
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years old locking your kid in their bedroom ever is a weird thing to do but at 5 years old like hello are you diabal
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that's insane also like what if they get hurt that's the thing I'm like what what
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are you doing and when he was finally let out of his bedroom he immediately ran to the home of a neighbor who was a
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single woman that he had bonded with oh this single woman kind of was like a standin for a mother it sound I was I
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was wondering if that was the like she kind of took care of him a little bit she knew what was going on sounds like
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your mom sucks and it's like it sounds like this woman was like a real one like she was just trying to she was trying to
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like be there for him but she knew especially at the time it's like you know in the 30s and 40s and it's like
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she's not going to step in she doesn't know what the boundaries are here so she's just kind of be in there for him
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when she can right kind of thing and letting him into her home which I'm like what a nice lady I know yeah like damn I
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wish that lady was more of a influence in his life to be honest sounds like his mom was just there too much yes exactly
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well and then unfortunately a year later the family moved to Riverton California
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oh um and that's where Jerry started attending first grade um years later Jerry would talk about this period as
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another significant moment in the development of his fetish that would later come out later violently okay um
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his first grade teacher would wear high heels every day and every day Jerry would just be fascinated with them and
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daydream about them he just thought they were the prettiest shoes you could possibly wear he loved them I mean high
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heels are great I mean I love high heels I get it too at this point yeah and it was well known that this particular
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teacher would bring two pairs of shoes to school a pair for work and a pair for the afternoon she would like change into
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sneakers kind of thing yeah she was like my feet hurt I'm good yeah and like I guess like you know she would change
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into them like later in the day yeah and and one afternoon when he could no longer resist the temptation he stole
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the pair of high heels out of the teacher's desk when she stepped out of the room and he hid them in the play
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area and he was intending to bring them home later but he was hiding them for later this is so interesting but one of
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the children found them yeah and by you know before the end of the day and brought them back to the teacher and
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nothing crazy happened from that but it was just clearly a moment of like he's kind of taking it further by stealing
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them now yeah and this time in Jerry's life was also significant because he was dealing with a lot of health problems oh
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um in fact during Second Grade he missed a lot of school he was home a lot and in
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the hospital a lot with measles laryngitis he had two fungal infections that required surgery wow um and he also
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had according to Jerry he had uh problems with the veins in his legs and it would cause him a lot of pain and
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difficulty moving oh wow yeah so according to him he said the veins were ballooning and I had to have the
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operations because they were not doing their job so I'm assuming there was a lot of like circulation issues and yeah
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now the multiple surgeries and other things he was dealing with meant that he had to stay at home a lot oh no and that
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meant he had to be with his mom a lot uhhuh and at this point in second grade he had already come to despise her
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you're like seven years old literally that's crazy like that's sad yeah that's very
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sad he spent most of his time trying to avoid her at in second grade seven years
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old and like a you know a lot of young people these early life experiences are eventually going to kind of mingle
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within like your adult experiences and they're going to create certain things that you you know fetishes certain fears
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certain things that you're attracted to like things that repulse you like this your your Early Childhood really does
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have a lot to do with that they call them your formative years exactly it's like your develop where you're
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developing is like so such a huge part of you and it's like that's where we all end up being in [ __ ] therapy and
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finding out these random things that you're like [ __ ] that's where that comes from like [ __ ] oh that's why I do that
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or that's why I [ __ ] hate that yes like a lot and a lot of it is trauma based a lot of it is negative based of
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course there's those core memories that form great things later in life yeah like traditions and
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things that you love and make you happy and things you know your career Hobbies but these negative things really make
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their Mark unfortunately and the poor relationship with his very abusive mother and feelings of Abandonment you
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know those kind of things would lead to negative opinions about women in general
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as he grew older it's interesting how that happens a lot with boys yes you know like when boys have especially like
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when they're younger and they have such a bad relation relationship with their mom a lot of times it leeches into their
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opinions about all women because that's just like their first experience with a woman yeah I feel like the same doesn't
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necessarily happen with girls like as often you know yeah it is interesting yeah I feel like it almost flips a lot
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with girls where if you have a poor relationship with your father you end up trying to seek out yes almost that
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without realizing it yes like you you end up finding men that are like that you know and not necessarily punishing
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them for it but almost receiving the punishment over and over yourself I was going to say exactly punishing yourself
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yeah it's it's um an interesting psychology yeah psycholog is wild it really is and so as he grew older that
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his opinions about women were dog [ __ ] um and also the secrecy around his fasination with women's shoes cuz he
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never grew out of that he it stayed and what he felt was like taboo excitement about them that he would get from them
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he it it kept growing and growing and that would be fine like that's a fetish is a fetish a kink is a kink you
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nobody's here to shame anybody about that right you know what what you like is what you like we shouldn't feel
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ashamed about it unless it's hurting someone MH and the problem here was it took a Sinister turn yeah
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because he wasn't just keeping the secret for his own well-being he was keeping keeping it secret because he was
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taught to and he was taught that it was wrong and he was taught that what he was
00:28:32
doing was disgusting and something to be ashamed of yeah his mom almost fetishized it for him yes you know it's
00:28:39
true she turned it into a taboo thing right cuz at first when he was five he sat there and said like why is this
00:28:45
weird like why are you mad at me like these are just pretty yeah these are just pretty I just like these shoes
00:28:49
right and when he reached puberty and began to associate those feelings with other things he would associate them
00:28:55
with secrecy shame and excitement with sex but then it was also transfused with being abused around those years when he
00:29:06
was finding this thing that he liked right so he was associating it with violence yeah and it was all kind of
00:29:13
mingling into something really bad um this also kind of went with he experienced Death at a young age as well
00:29:22
um a childhood friend passed away one that he was close to when he was very young and then also that neighbor who
00:29:30
was his only source of support she passed away as well oh no yeah so that also became mixed up with these feelings
00:29:37
as he was entering puberty and so he would forever associate his sexual in interest in women's clothing and shoes
00:29:45
and that would kind of be fused with his resentment of women and then it would also fuse with his Fascination and kind
00:29:53
of like um dealing with Death at a young age so it all all kind of fused together
00:29:59
and again you never know when these things are going to fuse into one of these little [ __ ] balls of just
00:30:06
nightmares yeah cuz people go through these things all the time people go through Death at a young age people go
00:30:12
through um being interested in something that you've you kind of feel ashamed about that you've been taught to be as
00:30:18
shamed about right and you know like people deal with shitty parents and shitty mothers and shitty you know
00:30:23
fathers authority figures all the time sometimes they deal with all three of them and they don't turn into this so
00:30:29
you just you just don't know it's like is it a timing thing is it you don't know what's G to just fuse it into that
00:30:36
like [ __ ] ball that's going to turn into this yeah no it's it's weird how it works yeah you just you can't you really
00:30:43
can't predict it no but by the time Jerry reached adolescence the family had moved again this time to Salem Oregon um
00:30:52
and that's where Henry brutos the father was trying again to be a farmer and Jerry didn't realize it but by this time
00:31:00
where he was like reaching adolescence uh he had already started developing particular sexual interests that he knew
00:31:08
whether from inference or whether it was implicated to him he knew he couldn't discuss these sexual interests with
00:31:16
others especially his parents okay which is a problem in fact in the brutos household it's not like he couldn't just
00:31:22
discuss these kind of Niche and maybe taboo interests he was forming he couldn't discuss those with his parents
00:31:29
but there was an air of secrecy and shame that was just around all sex yeah like sex was not talked about it was
00:31:39
treated as something that was disgusting and dirty like those are already problematic things that you're teaching
00:31:46
your kids because that's not going to give them a healthy relationship with it but then he's got all these private
00:31:52
fantasies that he's being taught were taboo and it's like you you infuse all that together and that's a mess
00:31:58
he's holding it in He's So eventually it's going to explode or he's going to be doing it in secret ways which is
00:32:04
going to lead to him like stealing things and spying on people and like doing it in the shadows and you don't
00:32:10
want that yeah exactly it's not good I mean at no time did his parents ever explain sex to their children uh sex
00:32:19
education was not taught in schools at the time that's so I mean it makes sense obviously but it's like crazy to think
00:32:26
about that it's like you need to know the basics yeah that's the thing so so what he learned about it was what he saw
00:32:33
on the farm put roll that around in your head no yeah he saw things happening on the
00:32:42
farm that no one explained to him or from what like little he could take away from like boys conversations
00:32:50
at school yeah which okay is also going to not be an education that you really want no so yeah no we're not coming into
00:33:02
adolescence strong you know we're coming in guns blazing yeah not in the best way
00:33:07
no so when he reached his teen years his fantasies were already taking a violent
00:33:13
turn it was it was pretty much on track unbeknownst to his parents he spent days
00:33:19
digging a hidden tunnel on a rarely visited part of their farm and in that tunnel he would just sit there and antiz
00:33:28
about keeping a girl there captive oh [ __ ] yeah and by his own ad admission later he said he didn't even know what
00:33:38
he wanted to do with her there he said he just knew he wanted a girl to be there and to not be able to leave oh no
00:33:48
Jerry he didn't even know he said he didn't know enough about sex or what he was feeling to think that that's why he
00:33:56
wanted her there he just knew he had these like overwhelming feelings enough that he had to dig a tunnel and make
00:34:04
that actually a reality and he knew he wanted to keep a woman there okay which is like so [ __ ]
00:34:12
chilling and just the fact like obviously you know he was growing up in the time where it was like come home
00:34:17
when the street lights go on but just the fact that he could be gone for that long to build a [ __ ] underground
00:34:23
tunnel and nobody noticed like nobody asked where he was and at this same time he was already
00:34:32
stealing women's undergarments and shoes he would steal them from clothing lines
00:34:37
okay and sometimes he would go into unlocked houses in the neighborhood and steal them oh that's [ __ ] bold yeah
00:34:44
so he's Crossing Lines in a big way here he's jumping right over them yeah when you're breaking into houses like locked
00:34:50
or unlocked that's that's that's a turn yeah where that's a place of no return a
00:34:55
lot of the time yep now these fantasies finally converged when Jerry was only 16
00:35:00
years old one afternoon he stole a neighbor's underwear from her laundry line and later approached her and
00:35:08
offered to help her find her missing clothing but when she arrived at his house a short time later he just took
00:35:15
her by knife point at 16 years old what the [ __ ] and forced her to undress while
00:35:21
he took pictures of her where are his parents that's what I'm saying he's in his parents house doing this yeah what
00:35:29
the [ __ ] and at this time Jerry had been wearing a a heavy black mask so that the
00:35:34
girl couldn't see who she who he was but she knew who he was yeah he's house because he had offered to help her and
00:35:41
he she came to his house he said hey meet me at my house yeah and years later somebody asked her cuz she didn't report
00:35:49
the crime to the police okay and years later people asked her like why didn't you report this crime and she said I
00:35:55
knew who it was all the time I was was scared if I told he would find me out and he would kill me I mean yeah I don't
00:36:01
blame her so she I mean just knowing what he was doing there you know he's capable of a lot but I think also she's
00:36:08
like I knew who he was like I could tell it sounds like this is like a grown woman with like her own clothing line
00:36:14
you know and this is a 16-year-old kid to instill that much fear whatever she went through had to be horrific dark
00:36:22
yeah horrific and this whole incident had been the first foray that he took into actual sexual assault um and well
00:36:31
it was probably unbelievably like something we can't even fathom traumatizing for this
00:36:37
girl she was she was able to get out of there with her life fortunately but it was the victim right after her that
00:36:47
didn't get away so easily so he did this to this woman which is Unthinkable and then immediately escalated to murder he
00:36:55
escalated he didn't escalate to murder but he escalated okay she didn't get out of there unharmed physically okay okay
00:37:02
so from the moment that the this first girl who we're not going to name um That Got Away like just and talked about it
00:37:11
later and said I didn't want to report it um as soon as she left the house Jerry was immediately fantasizing of
00:37:17
doing it to another woman he loved it but he was worried he was going to get caught mhm so eight months passed and
00:37:25
still he didn't do it again uh but he felt confident after 8 months that he could get away with another assault so
00:37:32
in 1956 he lured a 17-year-old girl into his car promising her a ride home so as
00:37:39
they drove the girl became confused when Jerry started talking to her as though they were on a date oh no and she was
00:37:47
like this is not you're just driving me home like what the [ __ ] like why do you
00:37:50
think that no and her confusion turned to panic when it occurred to her that Jerry had already driven well past where
00:37:58
he was supposed to drop her off oh no and he was just driving further and further into a more remote part of
00:38:04
Oregon and once they had reached a vacant location in his mind Jerry pulled the car off the side of the road and hit
00:38:12
the girl with a pipe in the face holy [ __ ] and then hit her in the neck and chest with it my God she was screaming
00:38:19
and trying to flee but Jerry was much bigger um and she had already been beaten at this point so she didn't have
00:38:27
her about her she didn't have any strength to get away she was just completely out of it and he hit her
00:38:33
several more times with the pipe and his fists and then dragged her from the vehicle and demanded that she start
00:38:40
stripping for him oh God and when she refused he punched her in the face squarely in the nose and and she started
00:38:49
screaming again oh my God this poor woman and fortunately at that same time that he was punching her in the face and
00:38:57
she was screaming a couple was driving down the road with their windows open oh my um thank God and they heard the
00:39:04
scream so the man which I was like what a badass man he immediately pulled over the car to investigate and when they
00:39:10
reached the location he saw this large man looming over this screaming woman on the ground so he ran right to her Aid
00:39:18
like he was like [ __ ] this guy wow that's Brave and when he demanded an explanation Jerry said she fell out of
00:39:24
the car she's just hysterical because it scared her and this guy was like [ __ ]
00:39:29
you like no yeah I'm assuming at this point she's like bloody and like she's been beaten with a pipe and punched in
00:39:35
the nose yeah bruises are probably forming and he's like she just fell out of the car yeah and she's just scared
00:39:40
it's like okay why are you looming over her then so this guy was like shut the [ __ ] up I know that's not what happened
00:39:46
so he changed his story and said oh well actually she was attacked by someone by
00:39:51
some weirdo and I she was fighting him off when I drove up and ran to help her oh the hero yeah so according to Jerry
00:39:59
the attacker ran off into the woods just before they the other couple had driven
00:40:03
up he was like oh thank goodness you're here how convenient but you just missed him wow and when it was just him and
00:40:09
this relatively defenseless young woman Jerry had no difficulty asserting himself and being horrifyingly scary but
00:40:18
in the presence of anyone else when someone else Came Upon them oh my did he yield oh I bet he made up the lie but he
00:40:25
shrunk right down uh when the second explanation was also not going to convince this guy he also was like [ __ ]
00:40:32
you I know that's not what happen you're the attacker I know that like I'm not an
00:40:35
idiot um yeah he was like so when that didn't work the couple insisted that they take the girl and Jerry back to
00:40:42
their house to get it sorted out and they were going to call the police MH so he agreed and once they were there the
00:40:49
husband called the Oregon State police and they transported the girl to the hospital and Jerry was taken to the
00:40:55
police barracks for questioning mhm gave right up this poor girl having to even get back in a car with him After
00:41:01
experiencing that my God and with another stranger like holy [ __ ] right so once he was in custody he confessed
00:41:08
everything to the police just boom he claimed he'd only wanted to scare her into taking off her clothes so he could
00:41:14
take pictures and then he denied he'd ever done anything like that before which we know is not true he said his
00:41:21
temper just got the best of him now unfortunately for Jerry detective searched his car found his photography
00:41:28
equipment in the trunk which they very correctly interpreted as a sign of premeditation so meanwhile other
00:41:36
officers went to the Bruto household and spoke to Eileen his mother oh God who gave them permission to search her son's
00:41:43
bedroom because he doesn't give she doesn't give a [ __ ] about him yeah and they found a hidden bunch of stolen
00:41:50
women's clothing and photographs of a nude girl clearly posing under duress oh no that was the first victim now well
00:41:59
when Eileen confronted her son about what they'd found he claimed another boy had taken the pictures and forced Jerry
00:42:05
to develop them for him he said I had to he said he'd beat me up if I didn't Jerry Jerry shut the [ __ ] up Jerry was
00:42:16
arrested and charged with assault and battery which prompted the state authorities to take a closer look at his
00:42:21
history so they spoke with neighbors and they discovered the previous assault that Jerry had committed against that
00:42:27
original woman who a year later finally felt safe telling the authorities what had happened year in custody and given
00:42:35
what they had learned they disco and what they found in Jerry's bedroom he was taken to the Oregon state hospital
00:42:41
for evaluation okay because they were like something is very wrong here now at the time Jerry brutos was a 16-year-old
00:42:48
sophomore in high school oh my God the fact that he already has like this kind of rap sheet at a sophomore year like
00:42:56
are you Ser he's already this brutal at in 16 years old that's horrifying and in
00:43:03
his in his interview with Hospital staff he said he didn't like rough sports but
00:43:07
instead preferred things like 4 and Boy Scouts and photography and despite the circumstances under what he'd been
00:43:15
arrested for he was very and like visibly uncomfortable talking about sex mhm like he had been arrested for
00:43:24
forcing a girl to strip in front of him and he could not talk about it right so Jerry told the doctors he suffered from
00:43:31
nocturnal emissions about every two months but he had quote tried to live a clean life and didn't smoke or drink
00:43:40
what is a nocturnal emission uh wet dreams oh yeah wish I never asked oh yeah oh in fact while they were aware of
00:43:52
the things he'd done doctors still struggled to arrive at a diagnosis I mean or to even provide
00:43:59
Insight yeah they were like you're a strange one and I mean he is yeah in one evaluation the psychiatrist wrote the
00:44:07
boy does not appear to be grossly mentally ill he comes shyly into the interview situation and sits down in a
00:44:14
dejected fashion to talk with great embarrassment about his difficulty he tends to be evasive on a basis of his
00:44:21
acute embarrassment and is somewhat rambling and verbose in trying to tell his story there's no evidence of suicide
00:44:28
homicide or destructive urges wrong he feels that he sometimes has trouble controlling his temper but that has
00:44:36
never got him into trouble except on this last occasion when he maintains that he cannot remember too clearly
00:44:42
exactly what he did but was toldi yeah but was told that the girl received a broken nose thank God his insight and
00:44:50
judgment are questionable he feels there must be something the matter with him and he hopes that he will be able to
00:44:56
find it out and have it cured here strange yeah I wonder if that was him pretending like he wanted help or if he
00:45:05
actually did want or if he really wanted help who knows now ultimately doctors arrived at a diagnosis of adjustment
00:45:13
reaction of adolescence with sexual deviation fetishism yikes so despite having been convicted Jerry was allowed
00:45:21
to return to school during the day but then he would have to go back to the hospital at night
00:45:27
okay yeah so somehow this was Kept Secret from his peers at the time wow they didn't know
00:45:36
about him being in the hospital they didn't know about his arrest so he wasn't dealing with any attention based
00:45:41
on that but after about 9 months at the state hospital the medical staff determined that he was no longer a
00:45:47
threat and he was discharged back into his parents care nine months is a pretty short time to determine that no he was
00:45:54
going to kill that woman absolutely he was and a year later Jerry graduated from high school and enrolled at Oregon
00:46:00
State University for a few semesters before dropping out in March 1959 when he joined the US Army and was
00:46:07
sent to Fort Gordon Georgia for basic training it's never good when these kinds of guys enter the Army because
00:46:13
then they see some crazy [ __ ] and they get even more bold exactly for Jerry the
00:46:20
Army was his first chance to be completely away from his parents particularly his mother which you would
00:46:26
hope would be a good thing but it wasn't and he wanted to establish his own life
00:46:30
he wanted to like go get away from what he had been doing but his old habits and
00:46:35
interests were plaguing him they could not be put away during the day he trained at the signal Corp giving him
00:46:42
the opportunity to pursue his interest in electronics and Communications but at night his fantasies overtook and he just
00:46:49
couldn't get away from them not long after transferring to Georgia he became convinced that quote a Korean girl was
00:46:57
sneaking into the barracks each night and crawling into his bed and trying to seduce
00:47:02
him all right which I'm like so he's hallucinating now yes he said I didn't want her and I came up fighting and beat
00:47:12
her badly he later said what and he said the scene would replay itself every night and to him it was very real is
00:47:21
that a nightmare or is it a straight up hallucination it must be a hallucination
00:47:25
because no one else in the barracks ever saw a woman sneaking in heard any noise like right wasn't happening soon
00:47:33
he came to dismiss this thing as a kind of hallucination or dream uhhuh but he was Disturbed he said that the woman in
00:47:40
his dream had aroused such hatred in him okay he said he could feel how much he hated her and he said he not only wanted
00:47:49
the woman to stop trying to seduce him but he also wanted to beat her and at times he said I wanted to kill her what
00:47:56
the [ __ ] yeah his Revelations later are like what the [ __ ] yeah I feel like we've never heard anything similar to
00:48:02
that well and interestingly here is he became concerned about his own mental health here like he became self-aware
00:48:10
really and he knew that this was a problem that he felt anger and hatred towards this hallucina woman and that he
00:48:19
wanted to beat her he wanted to kill her so he consulted the army chaplain about
00:48:24
it wow and this army chaplain referred him to the staff psychiatrist Captain Theodore Barry so after hearing the
00:48:32
story about this woman and his desire to harm her Barry was convinced that Jerry
00:48:37
was unfit for service so on October 15th 1959 he was discharged under AR 635-200 which is a determination that
00:48:48
the individual is unfit for service despite reasonable attempts to correct the problem okay now he was 20 years old
00:48:56
at the time and now he's unemployed so he has no choice but to move back in with his parents uh which I think is the
00:49:03
worst thing that could happen yeah it's too bad they didn't like send him to some kind of like counseling counseling
00:49:09
yeah of some sort right but so he had to moved back on the farm in Oregon and he
00:49:14
started sleeping in the spare bedroom but not not long after he did this Larry his brother returned home from college
00:49:22
and his mother said that Larry should have the spare bedroom and he she said Jerry you go live out in the old shed
00:49:30
I'm sorry what yeah also was there not two bedrooms the entire time both of them
00:49:36
lived there they must have shared a bedroom what the [ __ ] and now they're not allowed now he's not allowed to
00:49:43
share the bedroom with Larry he has to stay in the old shed go live in the old shed I'm like lady your kid is already
00:49:50
mentally ill and you're making him even more so yeah she sounds like a truly just piece of [ __ ] individual they both
00:49:59
if you have a child and make them live in a shed that's you're a piece of [ __ ]
00:50:03
you're a [ __ ] person yeah like you're just a [ __ ] person now frustrated and very uh very isolated in the shed he
00:50:11
fell right back to his old habits and you know he was trying to relieve his anxieties and his hallucinations now at
00:50:18
first it was he went right back to stealing women's underwear and women's shoes like he had when he was a child
00:50:23
and an adolescent but it quickly asked escalated one evening while Jerry was running errands in nearby Salem he
00:50:31
spotted a woman in a red dress and started following her when she reached her apartment
00:50:37
doorway he followed her into the dimly lit vestibule which is when she realized that someone was right behind her and
00:50:44
had followed her in before she could say anything he grabbed her by the neck and
00:50:48
choked her until she lost Consciousness right there takes a while he just dropped her body to the floor he didn't
00:50:56
know know what to do next though so he stole the woman's shoes and ran back to his car before anyone spotted him so
00:51:04
that's it he just choked her into unconsciousness this is the wild part of him is it's like him digging the hole he
00:51:12
digs the hole he know he wants a he wants a woman to be in there right but he doesn't know what he wants to do with
00:51:18
her right and even now he chokes this woman he does something physically violent chokes her to the point of
00:51:25
unconsciousness drops her on the ground and then says I don't know what to do now and just takes the shoes why' I do
00:51:31
that like what's my next move I wonder and I don't know if he just like blacks out in these moments and like does
00:51:38
something not blacks out because I think he fully has intentions to like do something but it's almost like it he
00:51:44
enters this like different part of his brain where he does this and then he almost like comes to and is like what am
00:51:49
I doing I yeah and I think it might be that he is so [ __ ] up about sex and what he is interested in and excites him
00:51:58
and it's been and he's had it drilled so hard into him that it's like shameful and taboo and secret and all this [ __ ]
00:52:05
and like violence and all this stuff is intermingling that he literally does not
00:52:11
know what to do with a woman right like he knows he wants to do something but he
00:52:16
does but he's so [ __ ] uneducated about it in a healthy way that he literally doesn't know what to do next
00:52:23
he's like I know I want to do something right and I know this excites me I just don't literally don't know what the next
00:52:30
step is right like he doesn't know what sex even is yeah like he doesn't even know what he's supposed to be
00:52:36
doing in his like deranged mind you know like it's very scary it's very strange and it's like very different from a lot
00:52:44
of these [ __ ] we've covered right now in the weeks that followed that a pattern started emerging where Jerry
00:52:52
would become stressed and go out for a walk and he would stalk a woman he noticed on the Street follow her for a
00:52:58
time and then would attack her choke her steal her shoes or other clothing items
00:53:03
and then he would just leave her and return to this shed on his parents Farm where he would fantasize and sleep with
00:53:12
the shoes and just like touch the clothing what the [ __ ] and feel like he was like
00:53:19
in control again or like feel some sort of power yeah yeah that's very at a time in his life when he found
00:53:28
himself again under his mom's like domineering ways and like abusive ways I think the stalking and thefts he said
00:53:38
later gave him this like weird sense of empowerment and control that he was looking for yeah and he was so [ __ ] up
00:53:46
that that's the route that he took you know yeah I'm like just even just picturing this in your head you're just
00:53:52
like like I'm just picturing him like falling asleep next to a pair of shoes and like like yeah it's like that's not
00:53:58
weird but it is so [ __ ] weird like the way that he goes about it cuz you know they're stolen it off of an
00:54:04
unconscious woman that he's just attacked right and it's like what is this about like I mean we find out what
00:54:13
it's about right and it's just so strange to get that violent and then to just like to to escalate that far and
00:54:19
then to just deescalate so yes like it's like a sudden drop off where he's like oh okay I got what I wanted like bye
00:54:25
yeah gotta go bye and then he just relives it and not harm them any further like obviously he harms them and what he
00:54:31
does is so [ __ ] but then just but to take it there and then abrupt abruptly end it dip yeah like it's just strange
00:54:39
and he didn't have any friends at this time he didn't really have any home life like he's got nothing going on except
00:54:44
his own anxieties and Fantasies and shed life yeah so apparently his professional
00:54:53
life though is one of the bright spots like the only bright spot in his life his training with the signal Corp had
00:54:59
prepared him for a career in radio communications and after he had returned home he found a job as an engineer with
00:55:05
a small radio station in Coralis wow that's a good job yeah and it was there that he met Ral
00:55:13
schwindler who was a 17-year-old girl who was friendly and you know she was friends with a boy who hung around the
00:55:21
radio station most afternoons so like Jerry ralphine was shy and timid had basically no experience with dating mhm
00:55:30
and when she first met Jerry she was not in Tim she was very unimpressed which I
00:55:35
don't blame her yeah um he was 60 six years older than her I was going to say he's uh well above 17 at this point so
00:55:43
this is already inappropriate and she later said I probably wouldn't have accepted a date with him at all except
00:55:49
that he asked me to go swimming and I love to swim she's like you know any any chance
00:55:54
to go swimming any time to jump in that water you know what a queen but by the time he was in his early 20s Jerry's
00:56:02
hatred and disgust of women was well cemented yeah but he felt differently about ralphine I was going to say it
00:56:09
doesn't sound like he has hatred or disgust for her yeah most women intimidated him which is why he hated
00:56:15
and was disgust by disgusted by them but ralphine seemed to be kind of easygoing
00:56:22
she laughed at his jokes she's young yeah like to eventually care for him in a way that he had not experienced with
00:56:30
any other woman besides that one neighbor when he was so I think maybe it hearkened back to that right and while
00:56:37
most people viewed Jerry as just a [ __ ] failure and a loser she kind of didn't she didn't make him seem that way
00:56:45
at least um and raline was honestly she kind of showed that she was a little like impressed by him at times like
00:56:53
while she was not impressed At first she like later became impressed with with him like his knowledge of his job and
00:56:58
all that um and it made him feel a little a little good about himself I guess for the first time but her parents
00:57:07
was they were not impressed by him yeah because what the [ __ ] is a 24-year-old
00:57:10
doing with a 17-year-old exactly uh her mother whom Jerry described as stubborn and independent and said it like an
00:57:18
insult I was going to say oh how horrible yeah she strongly disapproved of her teenage daughter dating a man in
00:57:25
his 20s um and her father [ __ ] loathed Jerry I would and Jerry later said he felt because he was older that
00:57:33
he could decide what we would do where we would go all that like I think he just felt because he was their father
00:57:40
she her father that he would do that it's like [ __ ] you Jerry yeah you're a [ __ ] creep now the fact that ralphine
00:57:48
was still a teenager probably had something to do with her being attracted to Jerry in the first place to her he
00:57:54
seemed more sophisticated than boys her age and the fact that her parents hated him only made him more attractive it
00:58:01
always does uh her her age was also probably why she didn't notice any of the red flags that older an older woman
00:58:09
might have picked up on he was very jealous he was very possessive very controlling um so when ralphine became
00:58:18
pregnant oh no early on Jerry proposed that they get married and she happily accepted oh rine and the way he later
00:58:28
talked about it he said I wanted someone to sleep with and she wanted out of her
00:58:32
home oh how how beautiful and somehow ralphine later remembered things on pretty much the same romantic playing
00:58:41
field she said while my home life was a good one there was this feeling that getting married would be much better
00:58:47
than listening to my parents She's So Young I'm like so true love guys I see it's just so sad like it's so sad at 17
00:58:56
you think you're starting you think you're starting your own life and you know going after your dreams with this
00:59:01
man mixed up with this [ __ ] oh no they married in 1962 and a few months later ralphine gave birth to their
00:59:09
daughter Megan now at first Jerry and Ralph Fine's life together was actually pretty
00:59:15
happy it seemed like it was going well he would lavish his wife and daughter with small gifts and attention and as
00:59:21
far as raline knew they were doing okay financially everything was fine right and even though Ralph Fine's attention
00:59:27
was more or less dominated by the baby at the time they even had a healthy sex life like it was a very normal healthy
00:59:35
sex life at first okay but then things turned a little bit and things started making ralphine uncomfortable like
00:59:43
whenever they were at home Jerry insisted that they both be nude oh just like at home at all times
00:59:50
at home okay that's strange and also you have a child like well that and that only stop stopped when Megan Grew From
00:59:57
an infant to a toddler and ralphine said it's not appropriate for us to be nude in front of our child no so it did stop
01:00:05
but he was not happy about it that's just bizarre yeah cuz he also is like requiring it right like it's not like
01:00:11
they both made this decision together that they're just like that's what we well exactly like that's very different
01:00:16
from like people who like what is it called when you're is it a nudist I think so yeah like whatever like that's
01:00:23
and not even nudest like it's just like some people when at home they like to be
01:00:26
naked I guess I mean yeah go off queens and kings like live your best life but it doesn't we're not a naked household
01:00:32
but like I know people have naked households I'm not a naked household either but yeah you know that's just
01:00:38
your thing but also it doesn't sound like this was like she wasn't necessarily consenting to this no this
01:00:44
felt very much like it was him requiring it yeah and she was probably happy to be
01:00:48
like okay the she's a toddler now we need to stop I'm glad that she was able to get through to him like that me too
01:00:55
well there was was also Jerry's constant need to photograph his wife while she was nude or while they were having sex
01:01:03
okay the black and white images were something Jerry could develop himself at home because he didn't know how to do
01:01:09
that yeah she did she was like that was fine I guess like whatever that's in our
01:01:14
house he's developing them himself but then he had he wanted to take color ones that had to be developed at a lab which
01:01:21
meant other people would see them no and Jerry was like no it's fine this is normal no one's going to care about it
01:01:28
they're not even going to Blink an eye but she said she never felt comfortable about it she didn't like it yeah which
01:01:33
is not consenting right and she said she was also not comfortable with what he would have her do in the photos at times
01:01:41
which I feel like he probably got off on yeah like there was times like she she didn't mind like the Casual shots around
01:01:47
the house of them just like living their life but she said sometimes she he would
01:01:52
insist that she pull a nylon stocking over her face or wear spiked high heeled shoes um and she just she said it made
01:02:01
her uneasy yeah because like you like people can have fetishes and that's completely fine you like we're not
01:02:07
fetish shaming but if you're not interested in that fetish then it probably feels very off and wrong to you
01:02:14
you know like you it is not okay if your fetish is being forced on another person
01:02:20
exactly you need to be in an agreeing situation where that person Reas and is comfortable with engaging in your fetish
01:02:29
yeah that's what a healthy fetish is there are boundaries and to I feel so bad that she felt like she had to do
01:02:36
this and she was young so she's like really being forced into it and there's a power Dynamic there to because he
01:02:42
exactly and after a couple of years what had begun as a happy marriage started to
01:02:47
kind of devolve into like a difficult frustrating and very confusing relationship for her and the more
01:02:55
preoccupied that ralphine became with their daughter Megan because children require attention um the more depressed
01:03:02
Jerry became well and also he doesn't know what like a good mother child bonding relationship is yeah he doesn't
01:03:10
understand that why she's paying attention to her mhm and so he would leave the house and when he left the
01:03:16
house and spent a lot of time out of the house he would engage in his own his old
01:03:21
habits and when they were at home ralphine couldn't help but noticed that Jerry seemed distant and became very
01:03:27
disinterested in their daughter oh actually just ignoring her pushing her away whenever she wanted his attention
01:03:34
oh that's really sad and later raline would wonder whether Jerry resented Megan for taking up so much of her time
01:03:40
and I believe that is it yeah it sounds that way he became more depressed more unhappy when he was at home and the more
01:03:46
he isolated himself from his family and spent time outside of the house the worst it got so by the end of the 1960s
01:03:53
his ability to resist his dark impulses that we know he has inside of him they were weakening
01:04:01
considerably now his path to becoming a killer was very long and very complicated obviously yeah because we're
01:04:08
only in the beginning of the 1960s and at the top of this I think you said 68 yeah and we're starting to enter the
01:04:13
late 60s but I mean he's going through so many iterations of what his darker impulses are um and if you try to
01:04:22
identify any one thing that pushed him over the edge into violence IM brutality I don't think you'd be able to put to
01:04:29
figure out what it is okay but we know that an event that happened right before things got really bad was the birth of
01:04:37
his second child and it was in late 1967 and so in Jerry's head somehow he believed witnessing the birth of this
01:04:48
baby would somehow absolve him of all the bad things he'd done and would set him on a better path okay
01:04:56
he said he just believed if he witnessed the birth of his child he would become a
01:05:00
better person okay which like that and of itself is not you're like okay I kind of get it sure like it's it's a
01:05:10
beautiful Miracle whatever you want to call it yeah so he made ralphine promise that when the time came she would have
01:05:19
one of the nurses come get him from the waiting room and bring him into the delivery room so he could witness this
01:05:25
yeah okay but when the time came no one came to get him to see the birth okay and he tried to force his way into the
01:05:34
room but they the hospital staff actually blocked him and said he they were given explicit orders from the
01:05:40
doctor to keep him out so what the [ __ ] happened there so this obviously devastated him because he had this whole
01:05:48
plan um and then he learned that it was ralphine who told the doctors not to let
01:05:53
him in the room and so he demanded to know why why she would do that now this is horrifying so ralphine explained that
01:06:02
Jerry had always been so possessive and jealous of her that she thought it best that he not witness what happened during
01:06:10
the delivery of a child she said I didn't and this is the way she says this horrifies me to be
01:06:18
quite honest so I want everybody know a little bit of a trigger warning because this is a little graphic and gross the
01:06:23
way she says this in my opinion she said I didn't want you to watch another man play with me um that's not what happens
01:06:32
during birth no that's like there's nothing sexual about birth in any way that's what
01:06:41
horrifies me is like the doctor is not playing with you the doctor is delivering your baby and what happened
01:06:49
ralphine that you are suddenly like and I think it's like she is being conditioned into believing every part of
01:06:57
her life is being sexualized in some way oh wow yeah that's dark isn't that horrifying yeah that's very dark it's so
01:07:06
dark like so dark and she told him this okay so this marked a big shift in their
01:07:15
Dynamic this this moment uh Jerry had always had a disdain for women obviously but his wife was never included in that
01:07:23
because she according to him had accepted and loved him in ways that he had never experienced before and it was
01:07:30
because of that and her refusal that it was because of that that her refusal to allow him into the room he felt it was a
01:07:38
huge betrayal like he took it as an immense betrayal I kind of get that yeah right he in his mind I get it why he
01:07:48
where his mind is right now why that would feel like a betrayal to him yeah and obviously like there's there's many
01:07:56
layers to this because it's her decision you know what I mean like that's her body Choice her experience of going on
01:08:04
but I can see why in his deranged mind right now where his mind is very rancid at the moment that he's he had convinced
01:08:13
himself that this was going to save him this was his salvation seeing this and now she took it away from him now she in
01:08:20
his mind took that from him right so he's twisting it into something far worse than what it actually was well
01:08:28
that's also just like from a trust standpoint like you've been married this is your second child and then like you
01:08:35
know they had this plan or whatever and then to say like no at the last second he probably saw it as like oh you don't
01:08:40
trust me exactly there's so many layers to and she it sounds like she doesn't trust him yeah and it sounds like she
01:08:48
had every reason not to yeah exactly why would she you can see where both of them
01:08:52
are coming from at this point but my God the statement she made about it haunts me yeah one the statement that haunts me
01:08:59
and also that's just so sad like a lot of like I would say like 99% of the time when you have a child with like a
01:09:06
partner and you have a happy marriage like that's a beautiful amazing thing and to have it turned into this weird
01:09:14
dark betrayal you know like fear Mo moment of fear yes and it's being sexualized which
01:09:23
is very upsetting the whole thing is really just [ __ ] yeah it's a poor baby it shows you though like there his
01:09:31
upbringing and how [ __ ] up he was about sex yeah she he imprinted that onto her through their marriage cuz she
01:09:38
was young yeah and it obviously is manifesting in ways like this and what's worse is that night after his child was
01:09:47
born after ralphine had fallen asleep he left the house and went into downtown Portland and drove the streets until he
01:09:54
finally found a woman and that caught his eye so the night that his child was born he went out wow and he watched and
01:10:02
followed the woman for hours as she went from one location to the next hours he followed one woman what the [ __ ] and
01:10:10
finally followed her home and watched her windows for hours until the lights went out oh my God as soon as the
01:10:18
apartment was dark he crept into it and found her sleeping in her bedroom and as
01:10:24
she slept he started started rumaging through her closet looking through her shoes but he was noisy and so she woke
01:10:31
up and found this man in her [ __ ] room looking through her closet uhhuh so before she could even scream Jerry was
01:10:39
on top of her and had his hands around her neck he claimed he had only intended to render her unconscious so he could do
01:10:46
what he always does find a light go through her things and leave mhm but as soon as she lost Consciousness he said
01:10:54
he could not help him himself and he sexually assaulted her oh no and then he stole her shoes and flood her
01:11:01
apartment what the [ __ ] yeah his pathology is so [ __ ] weird it's the stealing of the shoes and
01:11:09
it gets weirder because after all that that's what he did the night of his child's birth his second child's birth
01:11:16
after the whole thing with ralphine and she's thinking after that whole thing she's like I thought it was going to go
01:11:21
downhill our Mar like really fall downhill she said strangely in the months following Jason
01:11:28
their son's birth Jerry seemed to be getting better okay and she said and this is sad she said unlike his
01:11:35
relationship with Megan their daughter which was distant and cold Jerry was attentive and engaged with his son like
01:11:43
she was shocked when he was home he would play with the boy and talk about all the things he hoped to do with him
01:11:48
when he got older whenever he went on errands he he insisted on taking J Jason with him and and he even went out of his
01:11:56
way to take on some of the responsibilities around the house like allowing ralphine to have a little time
01:12:01
to herself as a new mom yeah which is so important ideal like it's just like what
01:12:07
the [ __ ] mhm but of course at the time she had no idea that despite how he was
01:12:14
making things look and how he was trying to put in effort at home at least with one of their children on the inside he
01:12:20
was just Co trying to cover up the feelings that he was barely keeping under the surface like he was still he
01:12:28
had all kinds of [ __ ] brewing in there that he was just trying to shove down it
01:12:32
sounds like it and it was only Jerry's nighttime activities that he kept doing because he kept doing this he kept
01:12:40
sneaking into women's houses kept choking people unconscious sexually assaulting people it was only that that
01:12:47
he claims kept him from exploding every day so she's thinking he's just on the up and up and he's doing horrible [ __ ]
01:12:56
at night to keep himself from doing it during the day what a what a star contrast there yeah and by January of
01:13:03
that year he finally lost all control oh no on the afternoon of January 26th 1968
01:13:09
he was out walk working in the yard when he spotted a young woman coming down the
01:13:13
sidewalk she was a carrying what appeared to be a very large book under her arm it was 19-year-old Linda Slawson
01:13:21
and she had only recently graduated from high school in Rochester Minnesota and she had moved to Aloha Oregon to start
01:13:28
her first job which was in selling encyclopedias door too okay despite the long hours and a lot of walking involved
01:13:36
the company required their female sales agents to dress nicely and wear high heels mhm even though they walked
01:13:42
everything that's great yeah so she was standing on the sidewalk in front of the
01:13:47
bruto's house and trying to figure out which direction she was supposed to be going into and it started to rain so she
01:13:53
you know she just wanted to get out of the rain to get you know set those books that she was carrying down so she
01:13:58
approached Jerry and said she was trying to find the address of a certain house where she had an appointment to show
01:14:03
these encyclopedias and she wondered whether it was his house she was looking for Jerry looked her over for a moment
01:14:10
and he said he lingered for a second or two on her shoes before he told her yes come on in oh no as they entered the
01:14:19
house Jerry mentioned that his wife was having company upstairs and he said why don't we meet in my workshop down
01:14:25
downstairs to have some privacy no thank you go over this so she went in the basement and she started giving her
01:14:32
pitch on the encyclopedias and just making small talk with Jerry as she started to lay out all
01:14:37
the products on the countertop and it was dark in the room so she was fumbling to find the right brochures and stuff
01:14:44
that she was trying to show him so he was like oh let me turn on the overhead lights and he got up from his stool and
01:14:49
went behind her but instead of flicking on a light switch he grabbed a length of
01:14:54
2x4 and swung it at the back of her head my God and is his wife actually upstairs
01:15:00
having company his wife is actually upstairs oh my God yeah and this is just happening in her [ __ ] basement yep
01:15:10
okay and yep he knocked her from the stool and sent her to the floor unconscious
01:15:16
and like we said before since he had been an adolescent a teenager Jerry had fantasized about kidnapping a woman and
01:15:24
keeping her somewhere and just doing what he wanted even though he didn't know what he wanted to do and now he had
01:15:31
just taken a step to make that a reality so he knelt down beside Linda on the floor and detected slight movement in
01:15:38
her chest so he wrapped his hands around her neck and began choking her until he
01:15:44
was certain that she was dead he choked her to death oh my God in the days that followed this he dressed and undressed
01:15:53
Linda's body putting her in the undergarments he'd been stealing throughout the previous months and at
01:16:00
night after ralphine and the kids had gone to sleep my God Jerry would sneak down to the basement to rape her dead
01:16:09
body and photograph her in various states of undress I did yeah I did not know that part of that that he was into
01:16:22
that yeah that poor 19 years old and she's just doing her job and it was so fast and so
01:16:32
horrific and and then his kids are playing upstairs I was just going to say and his kids are upstairs and she's just
01:16:40
and his wife is upstairs and this dead woman who he murdered is just in the basement
01:16:46
yep and he's just likeing her fair warning he's a brutal sadistic [ __ ] so like Fair warning for the rest of this I
01:16:56
mean part two is going to get somehow even worse oh good but after a few days when Linda's body had begun to decompose
01:17:06
yeah Jerry used a hacksaw to remove Linda's left foot which he kept in the back of the chest freezer in the
01:17:16
basement what he kept her left foot in a freezer in his home's basement with the
01:17:23
shoe when the rest of the remains he bundled up among some old car parts and threw
01:17:31
them according to him over a rail somewhere into the willit river okay and later for reasons that remain unclear to
01:17:39
this day Jerry told investigators he quote didn't know where he disposed of Linda Slawson but thought she was still
01:17:47
alive when thrown over the railway rot railing how would he think that if he choked the life out of her exactly and
01:17:55
spent days dressing her and undressing her and like defiling committing necrofilia yeah yeah so it's just he was
01:18:03
a strange [ __ ] yeah when Linda failed to return home that evening that she was killed her mother Mildred
01:18:12
reported her missing to the police and told them she'd last been seen in Portland where she was going to sell
01:18:17
encyclopedias and her disappearance coincided with The Disappearance of another local girl a 14-year-old girl
01:18:23
named Terry chain ERS whose parents speculated she'd maybe run away to join a quote unquote hippie community in
01:18:31
Washington so mild Slawson insisted her daughter was not doing that she had not run away she had never given any
01:18:38
indication that she was unhappy or wanted to leave home but the two stories wound up being associated and Linda's
01:18:45
disappearance was just treated as she was a runaway oh no it's like meanwhile she just graduated she just got this job
01:18:52
she's literally outdoing this job when she disappears and also when the parents are saying she did not run away they do
01:19:00
know their child yeah like you should at least take that into consideration now the photographs and
01:19:08
souvenirs Jerry kept from Linda slosson's murder appear to have been sufficient enough to keep his urges at
01:19:14
Bay for a little while but by late November the holiday period began and the Bruto household was full of Jerry
01:19:21
and Ralphie's families and Jerry stress began spiking in the previous months he would relieve his stress by looking at
01:19:29
his pictures or if it was particularly bad he would go out prowling steal some clothing from Neighbors cloth clothing
01:19:37
lines like do the same old thing but since the weather had turned cold no one was leaving clothes on the line and
01:19:44
finding a new trophy meant that he would have to go inside a home mhm now on the
01:19:48
evening of November 26th 1968 23-year-old Jan Whitney was on her way to see her parents and McMinville and
01:19:57
her car broke down uh it was on the I5 freeway between Salem and Albany I just have to point out this is 10 months to
01:20:04
the date of the last person he killed yeah you're right that's wild that's weird now a few miles before this Jan
01:20:12
had stopped to pick up two young male hitchhikers so the three of them got out of the car when the car died and they
01:20:19
were all looking under the hood uh no none of them knew what to do so they were just like all we got to we got to
01:20:24
figure out what to do so Jerry brutos was on his way home from work and driving down the I5 when he spotted all
01:20:31
three of these people standing by the car mhm this is what's shocking he spotted two men with her yeah and he
01:20:38
pulled off to the side and got out to ask what the trouble was and when he learned that the car had broken down he
01:20:44
said he'd be happy to fix it since he knew a lot about that stuff but he didn't have the tools to do it instead
01:20:50
he said I'll give all three of you a ride so he did he gave them all he put them all in the car and then he let the
01:20:57
two men out of the car at the nearest offramp mhm which I was like what the so they could catch another ride it's like
01:21:05
hey guys maybe uh take this girl with you yeah take her maybe don't leave a girl in a car with a stranger no
01:21:12
especially a girl that just gave you a ride mhm and he and Jan drove on to his house where he said he would get his
01:21:19
tools and take her back to fix the car when they got to his house Jerry went to the front door but was soon back at the
01:21:26
car telling her the house is locked and I don't have my key so we're going to have to wait for my wife to come home
01:21:31
which is a way of soothing her until like my wife is coming home oh I have another woman here yeah he told Jan his
01:21:37
wife would only be a few minutes but in reality ralphine had taken the F the kids to a friend's house and wouldn't be
01:21:44
back for hours oh God and he knew that so while they waited Jerry got into the back seat behind the passenger seat and
01:21:51
started making small talk and he said I said it was a funny thing to ask someone
01:21:56
to close his eyes and try to explain how to tie a shoe like that was part of their small talk like oh have you ever
01:22:03
tried to have somebody close their eyes and explain how to tie a shoe it's funny
01:22:08
okay and she he said you know without using your hands to show how when you can't see and Jan was like oh okay so
01:22:15
she closed her eyes and started describing how to tie a shoe and while she did that he reached down and grabbed
01:22:22
the belt that was on the floor in the back seat and by the time Jan realized what was happening it was too late he
01:22:27
had looped the belt around her neck and pulled it tight choking her when the belt was securely tightened around her
01:22:34
neck Jerry got out of the car and this is like an I don't know why this like really chills me he got out of the car
01:22:41
and closed the end length of the belt in the door tightening it even more and leaving it so that she would not be able
01:22:49
to untighten like it was a constant pressure and then he went inside to double check that ralphine was
01:22:57
really gone and when he came back to the car Jan was already dead she had strangled to death alone in his car and
01:23:04
just outside of his house it's so wild that he takes people back to his house where he lives with his wife and kids
01:23:10
and murders them yeah like intentionally does that yes so she was he confirmed that she was indeed dead and then he
01:23:18
raped Jan's body and then he took her out of the car so in the car in front of his house he
01:23:25
did that then took her out of the car and brought her down into the basement of the house and started photographing
01:23:31
her in the various undergarments and shoes he'd stolen from the neighborhood mhm Jerry repeated these acts in the
01:23:38
following days like dressing her undressing her taking photos and then it would become clear that he would need to
01:23:45
get rid of Jan's body and he decided he wanted something more than photographs to remember the experience this one's
01:23:52
particularly heinous I want everyone to know that that this might be something that you've heard about this case but
01:23:57
maybe you didn't know it was this case okay he later said I thought I could make paper weights out of her
01:24:05
breasts so he said I cut off her right breast and I was going to make a plastic mold and then I could make lead paper
01:24:12
weights but I added too much hardener and it didn't turn out how I wanted oh okay now he was going to be
01:24:22
making paper weights out of a woman's breasts to use around his house uhhuh and he was expecting to
01:24:31
just be able to do that yep which is shocking to me makes you wonder what he was doing around that house
01:24:40
exactly now certain that no one would go into his basement Workshop because he always made sure that they did not Jerry
01:24:48
and the family took a short trip to Portland for a few days leaving Jan's body in his basement like dude that's
01:24:53
going to permeate the rest of the house yeah well and also they were pretty surprised when they came back because
01:25:00
they discovered that someone had driven a car through their garage door leaving a giant hole where the door had
01:25:08
been so the police came out and they wanted to get into the garage but it was locked and he said that was
01:25:16
close but it what and he ended up being able to get them away without them looking into the basement it always
01:25:24
happens and even that wasn't enough to convince him to get rid of Jan's body he still kept her yep he wrapped her body
01:25:32
in a sheet and hid her in the pump house while the police looked over the garage wait while they were there
01:25:41
yeah oh my God then when the coast was clear he took her body to Willet River and waited it waited her down and then
01:25:49
tossed her body in the river okay now when Jan failed to show up at her parents house in McMinville
01:25:55
cuz remember she was on her way to her parents house right her Father John Whitney reported her missing immediately
01:26:02
and a day or two later Jan's car was found on the side of the road with all the doors locked and investigators were
01:26:08
able to get into the car and found that there was nothing to indicate that she you know why she disappeared right and
01:26:14
really other than a camera found in the back seat in her bags there was nothing of note in the car and police had a film
01:26:20
in the camera developed and discovered photos indicating she have had a flat tire that day mhm but that was really
01:26:28
all they had and it wasn't really a lot of help with a lead it was just like did
01:26:31
someone help her right and was that the person but we don't have anything to go on other than that right and nearly a
01:26:37
year passed between the murder of Linda Slawson and Jan Whitney but far less time would elapse between the next
01:26:45
killing yeah cuz he's heating up and he's getting B more and more bold I mean the police just came to his house and he
01:26:51
was able to [ __ ] hide a dead body while they were there and you think that would be when there would be a year
01:26:56
between murders but he takes less time now he goes right back into it I think it makes more like I think it makes
01:27:02
sense because he was able to get away with that so he's so emboldened he was emboldened yeah and that's where we're
01:27:08
going to leave part one because knew it you [ __ ] because we're part two is going to get somehow even
01:27:16
worse um this is all terrible he's a really really bad man he's a really really bad man and it's going to be a
01:27:24
lot so just please be aware of that I feel so bad for these women first of all these young women like and for his wife
01:27:32
and children who were just living in their home while this was going on unbeknownst to them yeah no idea what's
01:27:39
going on just hit the the [ __ ] luck of having him as a father yeah seriously [ __ ] that's
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terrifying yeah all right sorry about that everybody well we'll see you for part too we sure will and in the
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meantime we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we but not so weird that you'd be
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stealing people's undergarments because what the [ __ ] is wrong with you yeah don't do that but not so weird that
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you're mean to your kids if you don't want kids don't have kids yeah don't be a dick bye bye
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