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Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. >> And this is Morbid. >> [music] [music] >> This is Morbid.
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Guys, I love doing this podcast, but I am a little upset right now [music] because I was eating some dill pickle
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pretzels that were really good and I can't eat those on air, so I had to stop. >> [music]
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>> And it was upsetting for me. And she said that's your fault, so I never said [laughter] that. I never said
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that, you guys. This crazy [ __ ] over here. >> [laughter] >> This crazy [ __ ] >> This crazy [ __ ] I'm post-sedation.
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Okay. >> [laughter] >> Post five hours sedation. I had a lengthy dental procedure done. Probably
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the last of them, which is fun. >> That's exciting. >> Uh but it was it was wild and Ash was my
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my pick-me-up person cuz Joe we had John stay with the ladies. And she got to see me full
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full post-sedation. >> I will never I'm you're lucky that I'm a good inherently good person Yeah.
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>> I could have used I could have done you so nasty and just taken photos of after.
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>> I really wish I had, actually. I do regret not taking at least one photo just for myself.
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>> Damn. I walked in there and it was just for me for a lol. >> Just for me. I walked in there and she's
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got these big sunglasses on cuz you know like big sunglasses they do you at the dentist and just like chipmunked out to
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the nines cuz you were packed with gauze. >> Yep. Blood all over her teeth [laughter]
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and her lips. I was like, "Hey, like how is she?" And they were like, "Oh, she's back there.
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Like you can you can say hi to her." I walk in and she just slowly rises and goes, "Hi."
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I [laughter] was like, "What the fuck?" And I go, "Baby girl, are you [laughter] okay?"
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>> did. You go, "Baby girl." You were so baby girl coded [laughter] in that moment. I said, I have to I have
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to care for her. You did. >> It was crazy. But you know what? I'm I'm a fair I'm not a combative sedated
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person, which is good. No, you're hilarious. >> I I just go with it. >> you a strawberry shake and you would
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have thought that I handed you a million dollars. Liquid gold. >> [laughter] >> Liquid gold.
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I got you in the car, do you remember this? You go, "Oh my god, YOU'RE THE BEST." [laughter]
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NO, I DON'T. I think you said like you're such a genie or like something like that. I was
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like, "Okay." I was [laughter] really excited. I do remember being very excited for the
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strawberry shake. >> hilarious. Oh, yeah, it was a whole thing. But I think I'm I'm feeling
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better today. You look better. I'm not as chipmunk-y. I told John I was like cuz I texted him to update him while you
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were down and out and I was like, "Oh my god, she looks great. She's coming out of sedation." I didn't want to scare
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her. Today I saw him I go, "I lied to you." He's like, "Oh, I know." >> [laughter]
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>> Oh, yeah, sorry. It's been a trip, but I'm here. Yeah, but everybody's been so
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helpful. And I'm not lisping. So that's good. I know, you're not lisping at all.
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>> worried that I would be. And your teeth look [ __ ] awesome. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome.
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>> So you know, we're all fixed. And uh I don't know why I said that that I was under I was post-sedation. Oh, maybe cuz
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I was being a dick. Maybe. >> By saying that you said that it was everybody's fault that Oh, yeah.
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>> [laughter] >> Maybe if I just directed it toward that I never said Wait, I just picked up a
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pretzel to eat it like I I could just eat [laughter] it here. I can't I need to be stopped. They're really good. They
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are. They're I got them at um the Big Y and they're like dill pickle flavored. Oh, yeah. Change your [ __ ] life.
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>> flavored anything yeah, is really where it's at. >> It is. I love a dill pickle moment.
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>> Yeah. Like we had dill pickle uh Pringles the other day. Oh, [ __ ] yeah. [ __ ] life-changing.
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>> Wait, have you seen this whole thing um it's like a whole like switch up. So like it's like Ruffles, Doritos, and
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Cheetos. They're doing like Let me pull it up so I can actually say it exactly how it is.
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>> me that like they're actually so healthy for you. It's crazy. [laughter] Did you see this bombshell report?
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That Cheetos are actually so healthy. No. >> [laughter] >> I was like, "What?" Give me some.
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>> It's a It's a flavor swap, okay, ready? So, this is going to be a lot. So, it's
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Ruffles cheddar chips in Doritos form. Oh. And then Cool Ranch Doritos in Ruffle chip form.
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Oh. >> And then finally, the one that I really, really want to try is Lay's uh barbecue
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chip in Cheeto form. Oh, I want every one of these. This is a dream. This is a revelation. We need to a revolution. We
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need to order all of them, and we need to to do like a live tasting. >> Yep. Yeah.
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>> I need that. I'm going to figure it out. We should probably order them soon because I think it's a big thing right
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now, so they're probably going to like sell out. >> What was the first one? It's Ruffles cheddar and sour cream that
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flavor, but as a Dorito. Oh, okay. That's That one I'm really excited about. >> Yeah, actually it's hard to say which
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I'm most excited about. I'm really excited about the barbecue chip as a Cheeto, Mhm. but I also love Ruffles. I
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don't really like Cool Ranch that much, though. >> Oh, I like Cool Ranch. I like the cheese
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one better. The nacho cheese. >> Yeah, your kids had that at my house the other day, and Drew doesn't like cheesy
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chips, so I just have a whole bag of Doritos for me. >> Oh, hell yeah. >> Yeah, I feel rich. Hell yeah, you are
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rich. You're rich with chips. Good. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> And that's important.
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>> All right. Um you have a plug? Oh, I have a little quick pluggy plug. Duh. Um
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we're running low on the signed Barnes & Noble copies of The Butcher Legacy. So,
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you better go get those. >> get it. Go pre-order it now before it's gone cuz we're like literally at the end
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of the stock. Uh and and that's it for right now. Yeah, and those are all at Barnes & Noble. Pre-order my Barnes &
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Noble. They have signed copies. Go get them. Go get them. Go get them. >> the list of them. And if you just want
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some Butcher Legacy in your life, which you should, let's go, girls. Hello. >> Uh butcherlegacy.com, you can get them
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anywhere you can get them you can get them You can get them anywhere. >> Get the Butcher Legacy pre-on pre-order
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anywhere you want to order it. >> Yeah. And yeah, go scoop up those signed copies at Barnes & Noble. Hell yeah.
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So, I have a crazy case today. It's It's somewhat old-timey, like in the '50s. Oh, here we go.
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>> This is the murder, unfortunately, of Olga Kupchik. Um while I was reading this, have you ever
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seen the movie Monster in Law with J. Lo and Jane Fonda? >> It was so reminiscent of that, but like
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real, that it was deeply upsetting. I was like, this is if that movie played out in real life and and was even more
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awful somehow. You wonder if they had any kind of uh inspiration. I don't know. Or if someone knew about the case
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and kind of like drew a little bit of it. >> They may have. [clears throat] Maybe. I
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mean, unfortunately, mother-in-laws do just also get a bad rap. >> They do. That's true.
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>> Rap rap. Mine is also rap or rep? I rap. You have a bad rap. Okay. My mother-in-law
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>> right? Cuz it's reputation. >> Yeah, right. But you always hear like, oh, it has a bad rap.
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Is it both? We're discovering right now live on the air. While I hold a heating pad to my face.
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>> The correct Yeah, the heating pad on your face is actually insane. >> a photo? Can I actually have this? Yeah.
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You look cute over there. You just look ridiculous. >> [laughter] >> Oh, you're so adorable.
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Okay, the correct idiomatic phrase is bad rap, which means an undeserved negative reputation, which is weird
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because it's reputation. Um I [snorts] don't know, but Oh, it derives from the 19th century slang
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for a rap, a criminal charge. That's why. Like your rap sheet. That makes sense.
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>> all right. So, >> it out. Yeah, mother-in-laws in general just get a bad rap, but we have good
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ones, luckily. >> Mine's awesome. So is mine. >> going to talk about a good one today.
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No. So, Olga Neddy Kupchik was born March 24th, 1928 in Manitoba, Canada to Elias and Justina Kupchik. Olga was
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super pretty, super smart. She was friendly. She had a ton of friends, a great social group. Everybody said from
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a very early age, too, that she was a caretaker. And by all accounts, a good one.
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Unfortunately, there's not that much known about her early life in Canada, so we're going to start when she met
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30-year-old Frank Duncan in the fall of 1957. Let's go. That fall, Olga had moved from Vancouver to Santa Barbara to
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finish nursing school. And when she finished nursing school, she started a job at St. Francis Hospital.
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It was there in November that Olga met Frank, who had come by one night to visit his mom, who was in the hospital.
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Earlier that month, the night before his 30th birthday, Frank and his mother Elizabeth got into a [ __ ] explosive
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argument. Damn. She used his money to buy a beauty parlor without his permission. That's a big thing to buy.
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Yeah, buying a beauty parlor without somebody's permission is crazy with their money.
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>> yeah. So, in a fit of anger, Frank, who had lived with his mom his entire life
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up to that point, announced his desire for some [ __ ] space Yeah. and asked if she would please find a new place to
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live. And pretty heavily suggested that she do that. Later, he told a detective, "My mother's
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terrified of being alone, and she's afraid of losing me." Aw, that's sad. Yeah. Devastated. It is for right now.
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>> Yeah. Devastated by her son's decision, Elizabeth Duncan retaliated, and this
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is, uh, trigger warning, uh, by taking an overdose of the sleeping pill Seconal. Oh. Yeah. By the time Frank had
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discovered what she had done, Elizabeth had lost consciousness, and so she was rushed to St. Francis Hospital, where
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she stayed in a coma for nearly a week. >> god. >> Yeah, this was a big deal. >> So, Frank obviously felt like this whole
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thing was his entire fault. Like, he was really upset >> course. that his desire for independence
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had caused his mother's overdose. So, he stuck by his mom's side every single day
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that she was in the hospital, really trying to get back in her good graces. He was like, "You don't have to move.
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It's fine." Yeah, that's awful. But, privately, at least some of his interest in being by his mother's side was also
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the daily opportunity to chat with Elizabeth's nurse, 29-year-old Olga Kuptchik.
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>> Oh. By the time Elizabeth was discharged from the hospital roughly 2 weeks later,
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Frank and Olga had started dating, Damn. >> much to Elizabeth's disappointment. >> Oh, Elizabeth, come on. She did not like
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that. So, in the years that followed, Frank's relationship with his mom became the source of a lot of salacious rumors
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and speculation. Oh. Frank said, "Mother has always been very proud of me, and I
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suppose I was the apple of her eye." It's the mother. All I can think of, if you guys are Bravo heads and you're not
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listening to Watch What Crappens with Ronnie and Ben, what are you doing? There's this show called Southern Charm,
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if you're not a Bravo head, and there's this guy Whitney on it, and he like, I don't know that he lives with his mother
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still. He might. >> He He did on the show. He did for a while. >> Yeah. And Miss Patricia, forever. But,
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when they do their impression of Whitney talking to his mother, they always go, "Mother." And they always like,
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"Mother." >> [laughter] >> It's It's just so You got to go Find a Southern Charm recap.
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>> That's all I can think of. Listen to it. So, that's why That's what I was channeling when I did Frank's quote
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there. >> That's mother. So, he was like, you know, she's the apple of my eye, she's
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proud of me, but there's all these rumors. Now, when it came to the suggestion that their relationship was
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anything other than that of a normal mother and son, Frank vehemently denied the insinuation. But, there were plenty
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of insinuations that they had a weird [ __ ] relationship. >> Damn. Still, to even the most casual observer,
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Frank's relationship with his mother was far [snorts] and beyond the normal mama's boy stereotype.
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>> Which is scary. It is. It's really freaky. >> Cuz the mama's boy thing in and of
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itself is scary, but then it's far beyond that, that's scary. >> Yeah, agreed. So, in a court deposition
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the following year, which should tell you something, Elizabeth's friend, so Frank's mother's friend, Emma Short, she
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said Frank's relationship with his mother was, quote, very intimate, such as a man and wife should be.
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I'm sorry, what? Yeah, that's what she said. >> That is far beyond Yeah. what a mother
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and son should be. >> One hundo percent. >> Holy [ __ ] So, with the exception of a
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very small period during law school when he lived in San Francisco, Frank always
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lived with Elizabeth and was always there to cater to her every last need. Even when he was in school and living
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away from home, he would go to her house to have dinner every single night. Wow.
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Yeah, they were close. Elizabeth and Frank had always had a really codependent relationship, but Elizabeth
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became significantly more needy about 7 years earlier when Frank's stepfather walked out, because he could no longer
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tolerate her demanding and abusive nature. Oh. Yeah. From that point on, Elizabeth seemed to
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rely on Frank entirely for companionship, emotional support, financial support, validation, whatever
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it was. Just >> things you need from a partner. >> Yes, just absolutely every last thing.
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Later, when Frank would come up in a conversation, Olga's friends would refer to him as a big baby. Oh, gross.
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>> Yeah. And the women who worked at the courthouse where he occasionally practiced law privately referred to him,
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this is mean. This is bullying. They called him a wicked wascal wabbit. Because they were mocking the way that
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his mother infantilized him, but um he also had a slight speech impediment. So, they were being really [ __ ] mean.
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>> that's mean. >> Yeah, don't do that. >> Ew. He can't help that. Ew. Yeah. I'm
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actually really mad at them for that. >> Yeah, I really don't like that. [laughter]
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>> That actually pisses me off. >> Olga's friends calling him a big baby, fully support.
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>> big baby, but >> Making fun of a speech impediment, grow up. That's not something he can control,
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you [ __ ] >> To quote my papa, grow up. >> Grow up. >> Get a life. >> There it is. So, regardless of how her
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friends felt about Frank, Olga was very drawn to him. He was quiet, he was unassuming, he was a lawyer, like, you
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know, there's a lot there. By the time she was just discharged from the hospital, Elizabeth Duncan could
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obviously see that Olga and Frank were attracted to each other. And the following week, her suspicions were
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confirmed when Frank invited Olga to the house. Which is very normal. He's a 30-year-old dude, he's going to be
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dating, and you know, he wants you to meet this lovely young woman who was also taking care of you, by the way.
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>> Yeah, exactly. >> Like, meet her in a little more uh It's honestly like the best case scenario.
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Yeah. Like, you already know she's a caretaker. Also, [ __ ] you were in a coma, now you're not. Thanks, Olga.
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Thank you, Olga. Hello. So, during that visit, Elizabeth made an offhand comment about Olga not being
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good enough for her son, and how she could easily get rid of her by pushing her down some stairs.
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I would have run. And this is hindsight. This is hindsight. I would have run for
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the [ __ ] hills. If a man's ever brought me home and his mom was like, "You're not good enough, and I could
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push you down the stairs," I would say, "I'm sorry, but >> Yeah. nothing is going to make up for
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that. Nothing's going to make up for that." >> wrong here. If that's the feeling from the mom,
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something's wrong. Ain't nothing good enough to keep me in that relationship, babe.
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>> Don't care who you are. No. >> [gasps] >> So, Emma had heard this Emma, who was
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Elizabeth's friend, she had heard this kind of talk from Elizabeth before, so she really didn't think anything of it
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at the time. She's like, "Ah, that's just her." She was like, she's just angry, she's blowing off steam, she's
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not actually going to push this lady down the stairs. So, whether she was serious about
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pushing her son's girlfriend down the stairs or not, Elizabeth had every intention of making her objections to
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this relationship known. Almost immediately after they started dating, Olga started getting calls from
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Elizabeth not only at home, but at work, too. Huh. At first, the calls were chiller, not not polite in any way, but
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it was just Elizabeth explaining how important Frank was to her and pleading for Olga to quote leave her son alone.
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>> What? >> Where she's like like we think you'd we think the other one is cool. We want us
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like this should be a good thing, babe. We want to spend time together. We're getting to know each other.
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>> date your son. You can't. It's actually super against the law. You can't be doing that. But when her appeals to
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Olga's sympathy didn't work, Elizabeth just took a new decidedly more nasty approach. Former landlord Olga's former
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landlord Dorothy Barnett said she claimed that Olga was unfit, said she was a foreigner.
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Elizabeth gets like >> out of here. Ew, Elizabeth. >> What are you doing? >> She's also like
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I just can't Eventually, the calls became vaguely threatening with with Elizabeth implying that she would end
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the relationship one way or another. >> What the [ __ ] >> Which like how do you handle that?
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>> That's the thing. >> like also I'm like Frank hello? Hello, Frank. >> Can you do something here?
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>> I'm wondering here. I'm like where's Frank in all this? Are you going to do something? Step in? No.
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>> No? No, period. >> Cool. Yeah. This gets crazy. Oh, by the way, I didn't even mention this is going
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to be two parts because it's that crazy. >> Woah. So, after about a month of daily
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phone calls, so 30 to 31 days of daily phone calls unless it was February, Olga had her phone number changed hoping that
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it would put an end to Elizabeth's harassment. But unfortunately, all it did was make Elizabeth more determined
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to run Olga out of Frank's life. When she wasn't able to get Olga by phone, she just started calling the hospital
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while Olga was working. What? Olga's friend said that she was being threatened and harassed by Elizabeth on
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a daily basis at that point. Yeah, and I'm sorry. I don't This is not worth No. I don't I mean He had to have been a
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fine lover. >> say is he just stellar in every way? He had to have been a good man.
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>> this being worth it. >> He had to have been top-notch. >> Yeah. So, in like every way. Yeah. Now,
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during the early months of their relationship, you were just like, "Hey, where's Frank?" Yeah.
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>> Frank and Olga just tried their best to ignore his mom, her constant interference in her husband, which would
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be kind of impossible. >> to say. But, in May of 1958, Olga discovered that she was pregnant, and
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that changed everything. >> Yeah, it sure does. Olga's pregnancy, Frank found put himself in a difficult
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position. He was excited about the baby, and he wanted to start a family with Olga, but he thought back on the
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previous year when he asked his mother to move out, and he knew that breaking the news to her was going to be pretty
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[ __ ] tough. This is insane. It's wild. >> Like this is all I'm like, what? What do
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you mean? >> Never have I ever heard another case like this except when I watched Monster
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in Law with Jane Fonda and J. Lo. This is wild. >> And this is worse. So, a few weeks later, they decided, you
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know, it's probably time to inform Elizabeth that she's going to be a grandma, which would probably be and
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should be the most exciting time for a lady. Absolutely. >> As like an older lady with an
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accomplished son. Yeah. So, all they could do was really just mentally prepare themselves for whatever fight
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she was going to put up cuz they knew that she wasn't going to receive the news well, but they were like, "I mean,
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we have to tell her." >> Yeah. It turned out that they were right to expect the worst. When she found out
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about the pregnancy, she exploded and declared that she would never allow them to live together.
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I'm sorry, he's the the grownest >> old. >> ass man. Yeah. What is going on right now? You can't I
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don't know. I don't know. You can't conceive of this. >> is a lot. So, when Olga responded with
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uncharacteristic anger, like Olga was usually very chill and was like, "Okay, Elizabeth, like we're going to be
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together, so you just got to get used to it." >> that Olga is that way. But, she got
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really upset. She said, "No, we plan to be married. Like, we are going to be together, and we're going to have this
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child. Like, get over it." Elizabeth responded by telling Olga, "You'll never marry my son. I'll kill you first."
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And then is this just with Frank standing there being like, Mother, I guess. Silly mother. Yeah.
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Like What? Lol mom. Lol. Hello. Haha. >> [laughter] >> So what? Yeah. Now a few weeks later on
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June 20th, Elizabeth and Frank were alone just having a little combo. And Elizabeth made Frank promise her that he
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wouldn't marry Olga and that he would never leave her. What are you doing, Frank? Um he's
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agreeing. He said, "I promise." Frank. Frankie. Frank. >> Frankie, this is not the life you want.
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>> Frank. My goodness. >> Frank, you're you're meant to be a tank. You're not meant to be living with your
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mom and carrying on a strange relationship. >> No. So he says he promises, but the next
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day, unbeknownst to Elizabeth, Frank and Olga got married at the county courthouse. Damn. According to
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journalist Joan Renner, Elizabeth went apoplectic when she found out that Frank had secretly married Olga. Oh my
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goodness. >> In fact, on the night of their wedding >> Oh no. the night of their wedding where
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they're supposed to be having a good old time, honey. Consummating. Consummating.
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Elizabeth tracked them down at a motel in the middle of the night and banged on the door until 1:30 in the morning
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when pussoir of the century Frank agreed to go home with his mommy rather than let the scene go on any further.
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Never touch that man again. >> Never touch that man again. >> again. The [ __ ] That is damaged goods
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right there. >> If your mother-in-law shows up >> [ __ ] >> of consummation on the night of your
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marriage and starts banging on the door and your husband is like, "I have to go home with her." I have to go home with
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my mother. You annul the [ __ ] out of that marriage. >> Yeah, you got the You got the [ __ ]
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nerve. >> get in the You say, "Okay, I understand." And then you drive to the courthouse and you say, "Don't [ __ ]
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file that paperwork. We were kidding. Yeah. Just kidding. That was a big old joke. Ew. What the [ __ ] Yeah. So hoping
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to make the transition easier on mother. Ew. Frank continued living with her until the end of June.
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>> god. But starting on July 1st, he and Olga moved to a new apartment keeping the address a secret from Elizabeth
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because she's so [ __ ] diabolical they can't even know where she lives. >> And also I I'm sorry She can't even She
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can't even know where they live, excuse me. >> I'd be calling the police. Absolutely.
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>> Like the first time that this person said to me, you're I'll kill you first, gone. I don't care who you are. Yeah,
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restraining order. >> saying it. The thing that sucks though is especially back then the police would
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have been like, "What the [ __ ] are we going to do? She's just talking shit." >> yeah.
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So they kept the address a secret from her and it's unclear how she found out, but she did and it didn't take her more
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than a few days to figure out where Olga and Frank were living. >> Olga's father, Elias, told the reporter
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she wrote to us, meaning Olga, that immediately after they were married her husband's mother would come to their
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apartment and revile her every time her husband was at work. >> What the [ __ ] And Elizabeth wasn't just
00:22:16
abusive to Olga in the privacy of the apartment, she also had gone out of her way to spread slanderous lies and rumors
00:22:22
about Olga all around town. Just days after Frank and Olga moved in together, Elizabeth told Barbara Reed,
00:22:29
an acquaintance of Frank's, that Olga had become pregnant by another man and that she was trying to frame Frank to
00:22:36
extort money from him. Wow, she's disgusting. >> She's a [ __ ] >> a monster. >> She's a [ __ ]
00:22:43
>> Yeah. Literally monster-in-law. That's what that movie's called. >> is. So according to Olga's family, and I
00:22:48
have no problem calling her a [ __ ] so don't get mad at me anybody. >> No. According to Olga's family, the
00:22:52
escalation of Elizabeth's possessive and abusive behavior just continued to worsen.
00:22:57
They said Olga, quote, told us she was afraid of her mother-in-law and complained of, quote, violence and
00:23:02
threats she underwent at the hands of her mother-in-law. That's wild. Yeah. So while most of the people around Olga
00:23:09
seemed to see Elizabeth as an obnoxiously overbearing, incredibly possessive mother-in-law.
00:23:14
>> That's to put it lightly. >> To put it lightly, exactly. It turned out that Olga was right to actually be
00:23:19
afraid of her. When her attempts to intimidate Olga were unsuccessful at breaking up the
00:23:23
marriage, Elizabeth went to a friend Barbara Reed and offered her $1,500 to {quote} {quote} throw acid in the
00:23:33
face of a girl who is framing her son and then toss her over a cliff. Oh, she's off the deep end.
00:23:40
>> So in case that wasn't clear, she went to a woman in town and said, "Hey, throw
00:23:45
acid on my daughter-in-law's face and then murder her." >> daughter-in-law. Pregnant
00:23:50
daughter-in-law and I'll give you $1,500. >> Elizabeth is a [ __ ] That and that's to
00:23:54
put it nicely. >> Yeah, that's really being nice. According to Reed, Elizabeth told her
00:23:59
Olga had been threatening her and {quote} chasing around her son and she just didn't want anything to happen to
00:24:04
Frank's career. >> get over it. So not wanting to irritate Elizabeth any further, Barbara was like,
00:24:10
"I'll think about it. I'll get back to you." Barbara. Barbara. Barbara. >> Barbara. You call the authorities,
00:24:15
Barbara. >> Barbara, check out the company you keep. >> Yeah, like Barbara, take it easy. So
00:24:19
here's the thing. Barbara was like, "I I think I keep some rough company." And she was like, "I'm not sure what to do
00:24:24
about this, but I think I should call Frank and let him know that this is happening."
00:24:27
>> Probably. 911 would have been your best bet, but >> know, I don't even know if it existed I
00:24:32
guess her husband should know as well. Yeah, so she said, "I think your mother's gone crazy. You had better get
00:24:37
that girl out of town before something serious happens to her." And Frank was like, "Nah." Frank was like, "Uh,
00:24:42
my mother. I'm not going to do that." So whether or not Frank took the story seriously is
00:24:47
uh they say it's unknown, but I think it's pretty clear that he didn't take it seriously.
00:24:51
>> But just 2 weeks after he moved into the apartment with Olga, they separated and
00:24:56
he was living back with his mom. What? Yeah. So, from that point forward, Frank would
00:25:01
visit his pregnant wife from time to time, sometimes promising that they could work things out, but around 9:00
00:25:08
p.m. he would always go home to Mommy. Wow. That's exactly what it is. He would always go home to Mommy. Disgusting.
00:25:16
That truly is disgusting. If Nicholas would hear? >> Nicholas is chomping at the bit right
00:25:20
now to say >> Nicholas would have his piece. He would [laughter] have a fit over this. He'd be
00:25:23
like "What?" I can't even say what Nicholas would say. >> can't either. So, at the time it seemed
00:25:29
like Elizabeth had gotten her way. Frank's relationship with Olga was on the rocks, her son was back living under
00:25:34
her roof, but that wasn't good enough for her. She didn't just want Frank back at home, she wanted to be 100% sure that
00:25:41
this marriage would end and there would be no further threats to her preferred living situation.
00:25:46
>> Elizabeth, gosh. >> This next part will rock you. This is This is top-tier cuckoo nuts bananas.
00:25:56
>> So, one day in early August, Elizabeth called the local Salvation Army and she
00:26:00
asked if they could send somebody to her house to help with work, which was like
00:26:03
a thing that happened back then. She would have gone there herself to choose somebody, but um she had actually
00:26:09
been banned from the Salvation Army for causing too many problems. Wow. So, the phone had to suffice in this instance.
00:26:15
>> Wow. A short time later, uh Ralph Winterstein, a down on his luck former convict, arrived at Elizabeth's door,
00:26:22
assuming he was there to like wash windows or something. >> Yeah. But once he was inside, Elizabeth
00:26:27
said, "Hey, I will give you a hundred bucks if you will just help me out with this simple
00:26:31
scheme I've concocted. You pose as my son Frank. I pose as my son Frank's wife Olga. Well, we're going
00:26:40
to go to a judge, explain that our recent marriage was a mistake, and that we want an annulment.
00:26:46
What do you think? What the actual [ __ ] She hired somebody from the Salvation Army to pose as her
00:26:55
son. She poses as her son's wife and goes to the courthouse and asks for a [ __ ] annulment.
00:27:02
This is like a cuckoo nut man. I can't I cannot I I have no words. >> Also, it must be noted, like I just told
00:27:13
you Elizabeth was so intense and violent and like just nuts that she was banned from the Salvation Army.
00:27:19
>> Yeah. So, I just want you guys to think about like this poor man. He basically
00:27:23
was just like, "Yeah, I don't want her to like throw acid on my face or kill me, so I guess I'll do this for $100."
00:27:28
>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah, so he agrees to the plan. And on the morning of August 7th, Elizabeth and
00:27:34
Ralph, posing as Olga and Frank Duncan, appeared in the office of attorney Hal Hammons, who had no other choice but to
00:27:41
be an attorney. Hal Hammons is such a good attorney. >> Hammons. Yeah. So, they explained that they had
00:27:46
impulsively married in June, but within just a few weeks they realized their mistake and they really, really wanted
00:27:52
this annulment. In fact, {quote} Frank, aka Ralph, even told Hammons that they hadn't
00:27:58
consummated the relationship and they weren't even living together. >> Oh my god, because you know she was
00:28:03
like, "I need to believe that they have not fucked." >> Meanwhile, Olga's literally pregnant
00:28:07
>> Yeah. With Frank's child. >> But you know she's like, "I need to believe that this is real." 100%.
00:28:12
>> Wow. So, since neither was contesting to the annulment and the entire thing was
00:28:15
mutual, Hammons saw no reason to object and he wrote up the petition. Wow. The next day, Elizabeth and Ralph,
00:28:23
as Olga and Frank, appeared at the Superior Court before Judge Perry Churchill, who had no reason either to
00:28:30
question their story and he granted the annulment. >> Because who would ever be like, "I
00:28:33
wonder if these people are posing?" Yeah, I wonder if that is his mother and a random man that she hired.
00:28:39
>> Yeah, I wonder. So, unfortunately for Ralph, Elizabeth actually didn't have the $100 to spare
00:28:46
right then and there, but she said that she'd pay him in the coming days. Oh, I'm sure. Um despite those assurances,
00:28:52
Ralph was never compensated. Wow. >> got him to do this for her. Damn. A few weeks later, in early September,
00:28:59
Frank learned about the annulment, and it's unclear if he ever told Olga about it.
00:29:06
Again, for the people in the back, Frank learned about the annulment. He learned
00:29:11
that his mother had hired somebody to pretend that they were him, and she pretended to be his wife and got a
00:29:18
[ __ ] annulment. And he didn't tell his wife, his pregnant wife. I'm just like, Frank!
00:29:28
>> Frank, what the [ __ ] >> Frank! He's the most curious specimen I've ever come across.
00:29:34
>> All we can think is that he was raised by Elizabeth, so >> So, there's that. There's that.
00:29:39
>> But, holy [ __ ] >> Yeah. So, instead, he just kept trying to assure Olga that things would get better once
00:29:46
the baby arrived. >> I'm sure that would happen. >> I don't think so. Uh there's a large
00:29:50
evidence large amount of evidence to the contrary, but Olga was holding out hope, because
00:29:55
also she's pregnant. She's in a really [ __ ] vulnerable state. >> Of course. Olga's father said the
00:30:01
letters came every week, and they gradually became more cheerful, although she was still fearful of her husband's
00:30:06
mother. So, Olga's fear, it turned out, was very, very well placed. Although she and
00:30:12
Frank no longer lived together, Elizabeth suspected, correctly it turned out, that they were continuing to carry
00:30:17
on the relationship in private, and she was now determined to find proof. One afternoon in late August, while Olga
00:30:24
was at work, Elizabeth turned up at Olga's apartment building, and according to the landlady, she, quote, kicked up a
00:30:31
terrible fuss about needing to check the apartment for Frank's clothes. What the
00:30:36
[ __ ] Barnett, the landlord, said, "She tricked me into letting her into the apartment. The minute she was inside,
00:30:42
she ran to a closet, threw open a door, and looked inside. She was almost screaming and said, "There, you see his
00:30:48
clothes aren't there. They're not married." I can't get over how much this lady wants to marry her son. I can't get over
00:30:57
this. >> crazy. So, as far as Barnett could tell, Elizabeth was trying to convince her or
00:31:03
maybe herself that Olga was not the kind of person she should be renting to. She said she wanted me to kick Olga out
00:31:09
of the apartment, said her son wasn't going to be responsible for Olga's debts. Okay. She's like, "Uh, what about his
00:31:17
child's debts?" >> Yeah. >> his child, period. >> the marriage, man, so Exactly.
00:31:22
>> Don't worry about it. >> Right. So, the landlady dismissed Elizabeth's comments. She was just like,
00:31:27
"Okay, clearly you're an overprotective human." But, she was caught off guard when just before leaving, Elizabeth told
00:31:33
her she's not going to have him. "I'll kill her if it's the last thing I do." Does anyone want to go to the
00:31:38
authorities? This This [ __ ] is walking around literally being like, "Hi, my name's Elizabeth. I'm literally going to
00:31:44
murder my daughter-in-law." >> She's basically walking around with a sign that says "I'm a nut."
00:31:49
>> I'm sorry. I hear someone say, "I'm going to kill this person." I'm telling someone.
00:31:54
>> to tell someone. Like, see something, say something. Hear something, tell someone. When this lady's walking around
00:31:58
freely saying to anybody, "Don't worry about it, everyone. I'm going to kill this [ __ ] first." Listen to her. Yeah.
00:32:05
>> Do something. >> And and also, she she clearly has a reputation around town >> not well woman.
00:32:12
>> Yeah, she's not easy to get along with, clearly. >> going to random friends being like,
00:32:16
"Will you throw acid in her face and throw her off a cliff? Uh, I'm banned from the Salvation Army,
00:32:20
by the way." Yeah. Getting banned from the Salvation Army is crazy. >> And it's like, people aren't walking
00:32:26
around. Like, mothers-in-law are not walking around saying to people, "I'm going to kill my daughter-in-law."
00:32:32
>> Hopefully not. >> Like, out loud, sitting there being like, "Yeah, just so you know, like, I'm
00:32:35
going to get rid of her." So, it's not a big deal. They're not just freely saying
00:32:38
this [ __ ] >> No, I've never run into that in my life. >> outwardly saying that, they have lost a
00:32:43
a screw is loose and you should call someone. >> 100% >> Like I'm shocked. >> 100% So many people let this go. It's
00:32:50
crazy. It's It's one of those cases where you have to scream about that because it's just like mind-boggling.
00:32:56
>> is. So over the course of September and October, Olga just continued to endure
00:33:01
daily harassments and threats from Elizabeth. But in her letters home to her parents, she did her best to hide
00:33:06
her frustration and her fear. >> No. And Olga's father later wondered if she was doing her best not to upset or worry
00:33:13
her mother because her mother had a bad heart. Aw, that breaks my heart. >> It It really does.
00:33:18
In mid-November though, the letters stopped altogether. According to uh Olga's father, her last letter was sent
00:33:24
from Santa Barbara and dated November 12th, 1958. A week later, on November 19th, Frank
00:33:31
went to the police and reported his wife missing. It was Frank who filed the report, but
00:33:36
it was actually two of Olga's coworkers from the hospital who expressed concern in the first place about Olga being
00:33:41
missing. So it's like were you just going to wait around until >> do here? >> Like did you not think she was going to
00:33:47
be missed? So her friends had and coworkers had last seen her 2 days earlier around
00:33:52
11:00 p.m. when they left her apartment and she hadn't shown up for work the previous 2 days, which was very unlike
00:33:59
her. >> Mhm. At first, investigators thought it might be like a runaway wife situation
00:34:05
because Frank had mentioned to them that there was a lot of tension in the marriage and that he actually wasn't
00:34:09
living with her for a while. >> [snorts] >> So under the circumstances, it did seem
00:34:13
plausible that maybe she simply packed up and left just to get away from everything, but there was a lot more
00:34:18
cause for concern when they started following up on the report. Patrol officer Peter O'Brien, who took
00:34:24
the missing person's report, called Olga's family in Canada to find out whether they had heard from her and he
00:34:30
was informed that they hadn't received word her in about a week, which was very unusual, and she had no plans to visit
00:34:36
them. In fact, they actually had plans to come visit her soon. In the last letter that
00:34:42
they received from Olga, she was super excited about her mom's plans to come visit when the baby was born in early
00:34:48
January. Mhm. Given that, it didn't really make sense that at nearly 8 months pregnant, she would just take off
00:34:54
unexpectedly to Canada. >> Yeah. So, according to the report, Frank told the officer that Olga, quote,
00:34:59
probably took off to teach him a lesson. I'm like, maybe you should mention the fact that you have a homicidal mother.
00:35:05
>> Yeah, perhaps that should be mentioned. >> I have a homicidal mother, I'm definitely going to mention that.
00:35:10
They'd been arguing a lot over the recent weeks, he said, mostly about his not living at the apartment and the
00:35:15
abuse from his mother, but when O'Brien followed up with Olga's co-workers and her landlord uh landlady, everybody
00:35:22
appeared to agree that Olga just wasn't the kind of lady who was just going to run away without telling anybody. Yeah.
00:35:27
So, after looking over the report, detectives paid a a visit to the landlady, Dorothy Barnett.
00:35:33
And she was more than eager to help find Olga. She really liked her. Dorothy had last seen Olga the day uh
00:35:39
she went missing, just after Olga had returned home from work. They exchanged some pleasantries, and Olga complimented
00:35:44
Dorothy's garden before she went upstairs to her apartment. She said the last she heard of Olga was when her two
00:35:50
co-workers who were hanging out with her that night left around 11:00 p.m. Now, things seemed to be pointing in a
00:35:57
different direction, but investigators floated the idea that she possibly could have harmed herself or maybe ran off,
00:36:02
and Dorothy was like, no, absolutely not. She said Olga might have been unhappy about some things, but she would
00:36:08
never do anything to hurt her baby. >> Yeah. Besides, she also insisted Olga simply
00:36:12
wasn't the kind of person who would deliberately hurt herself or somebody else. She said she's way too reasonable
00:36:18
like and level-headed to do that. >> I mean, look what she endured. Yeah, exactly. She clearly can keep a level
00:36:24
head. >> Yeah. So, even-tempered or not, the evidence still didn't exactly support
00:36:29
the increasingly unlikely theory that Olga had run off. It was Dorothy Barnett who discovered the first sign that
00:36:35
something was amiss actually. The morning after Olga's visit with her friends, Dorothy said she heard what
00:36:41
sounded like a strange thumping sound coming from Olga's apartment. And when she went upstairs to investigate, she
00:36:48
found that Olga's sliding glass door was wide open and the heavy drapes were blowing in the breeze. Hmm, so that was
00:36:54
really weird. At first she was like, maybe she just left the door open when she went to work. But while she was
00:37:00
there the two nurses who had been over the night before showed up at the apartment looking for Olga. Oh. They
00:37:06
explained she hadn't shown up for work that morning and they were worried something happened to her.
00:37:10
So now also worried that something could be wrong with the baby or that Olga might be having some sort of other
00:37:15
emergency, all three of them like went into the apartment together to look for Olga, but there was nobody there.
00:37:22
Inside things were still concerning. There were several lights on, there was dirty dishes from the night before in
00:37:28
the sink. There were baby clothes folded and placed in little piles on the couch.
00:37:34
Like it didn't look like somebody intended to leave. >> Yeah. When they looked in the bedroom
00:37:39
too, one of the ladies noticed that the pink robe Olga had been wearing the night before was nowhere to be found.
00:37:45
>> Oh. So they're like, is she still wearing that? >> it? And most concerning was her purse
00:37:50
still sitting on the dresser with its contents undisturbed. Yeah. So it appeared to all of them that Olga
00:37:56
had said goodnight to her friends the previous evening, started folding some baby clothes in the room, and then
00:38:01
disappeared without a trace. >> Oh, no. When pressed by detectives, Dorothy couldn't think of anything that she had
00:38:08
seen or heard the previous evening that seemed super out of the ordinary, but there was the matter of the
00:38:13
mother-in-law. Frank alluded to problems in their marriage to the authorities, but Dorothy
00:38:18
was far more willing to elaborate. >> Yeah, I bet. explained that ever since she met Frank, Olga had been locked in
00:38:24
an aggressively adversarial relationship with Frank's mother, and it was all one-sided. She said, "I don't know all
00:38:30
the specifics, but this woman has been harassing Olga on a regular basis. And she related the story about how
00:38:37
Elizabeth had shown up at the apartment recently and kind of tricked her to get in there looking for Frank's clothing.
00:38:43
She was like, "This lady's She's cuckoo. >> Yeah, she's tapped. So, the detectives thanked Dorothy for
00:38:48
the information, and they headed out the door. But before they made it out, she remembered one other thing from the
00:38:54
night that Olga went missing. She said it wasn't long after her friends had left, she was trying to get some sleep,
00:39:00
and she heard the sounds of heavy footsteps on the stairs leading up to Olga's apartment. At the time, she
00:39:05
thought that it was the couple who lived across from Olga, um the Williamsons, because they went
00:39:10
out to late movies all the time, which like side note, that's just really cute. >> But the next morning when she ran into
00:39:15
Mrs. Williamson, she was like, "Oh, like did you come home late last night? I thought I heard you." And Mrs.
00:39:19
Williamson said that she and her husband had been home all night. Oh. So, the next day, detectives paid a
00:39:25
visit to Frank to inquire about his relationship with his wife a little more in detail. Mhm. He was kind of He was
00:39:32
pretty much up front with the investigators. He gave all the details. He explained that on the night she went
00:39:36
missing, he was at home watching television with mother. With mother. And then they went to bed around 11:00 p.m.
00:39:42
He said that he had no idea where Olga could be, but he did say, "A few weeks ago, she threatened to make trouble for
00:39:49
me if I didn't move back in with her." Guys, why are we letting this this lady just run [ __ ] like that? Like why are we
00:39:57
letting this happen? Well, and it's like I You're saying You're He's making it seem like Olga's like going to cause
00:40:03
trouble. I'm like, she just wants to live with her husband and the father of her child.
00:40:08
>> trouble for me if I don't move What? >> I don't think she was threatening you.
00:40:11
>> Literally married, I mean. She probably was just like, "Hey, we're going to get
00:40:14
divorced if it continues like this, even though neither of I don't know that our
00:40:18
[ __ ] marriage has been annulled. >> Hey, can you break up with your mom? Yeah. That's literally what she was
00:40:22
asking. Can you please break things off with your mother? I hope none of you have a relationship like this with your
00:40:27
mother-in-laws. Do you ever get those Tik Tok videos where people like detail how awful their relationships are with
00:40:32
their mother-in-laws? >> If this is something if this is even remotely similar to a situation you're
00:40:37
going through, our heart goes out to you. Like like I can't imagine. I literally I I cannot fathom This is
00:40:48
next level. >> Like I can't imagine a mother-in-law who thinks that they somehow have like
00:40:56
authority over who their grown ass son dates. >> It literally turns my stomach cuz why?
00:41:02
[clears throat] Why do you feel that way? >> why? If I'm a mother-in-law someday, I'm
00:41:06
going to be the coolest mother-in-law. Like damn, seriously. Damn. But yeah, so Frank had probably been hoping to avoid
00:41:14
the subject of his mother. Um yeah, his monster momma. But his statement about Olga's threat to
00:41:20
make trouble for him inevitably led to more questions about why he didn't live with his wife. Yeah, they're like, wait
00:41:25
a minute. >> like, hey, that's kind of weird. >> Yeah. So he explained that his mother
00:41:29
had a profound fear of losing him and of being alone and that he'd been giving her time to
00:41:34
adjust to him moving out of the house. >> My god. >> Which is like, you're not giving her
00:41:37
time to adjust to being out of the house while still living out of the house. >> No.
00:41:42
His main concern, he said though, was that his mother might try to hurt herself again, like she had the previous
00:41:47
year, if he abruptly left. He said his wife, on the other hand, was a strong woman and he knew she knew that he loved
00:41:54
her, so he wasn't worried that she would do anything irrational. Mhm. Mhm, interesting. Interesting. So when it
00:42:00
came to the matter of Elizabeth's relationship with Olga, Frank quickly rejected the stories that investigators
00:42:05
had heard. He said, "That's just gossip. Mother is mad at me and anything you heard from Olga's friends or from her
00:42:11
landlady's an exaggeration. He actually assured him that his mother had only met Olga one time, so it would
00:42:18
have been almost impossible for her to have developed any negative feelings based on that one occasion.
00:42:24
What? Please remember that the entire reason Frank and Olga even know each other is
00:42:31
because Olga was taking care of Elizabeth while she was in a coma >> what the [ __ ] are you talking about?
00:42:37
>> definitely met on more than one occasion. >> What? Yeah, this very [ __ ] strange.
00:42:42
>> That's wild. Yeah. So Frank's narrative obviously didn't seem to match what detectives had
00:42:47
already learned about the rift between Elizabeth and Olga, so it was inevitable that they were ready to speak to
00:42:52
Elizabeth herself. The next day Frank arrived at the station with his monster mama
00:42:57
who refused to go inside unless she was allowed to speak with Sergeant Myers Oh boy. who was one of the officers that
00:43:03
Frank knew from his work in criminal court. The lead detective on the case, Clarence Henderson, explained that
00:43:09
that's actually not how criminal investigations work, but Frank cut him off and was like, "Listen, we actually
00:43:15
came here to talk about something completely unrelated. We're not even here to talk about Olga."
00:43:20
Okay. And Clarence was like, "What?" He's like, "Hmm." So, you don't say. Um this is where things get racist as [ __ ]
00:43:27
Oh. Just so you know, cuz not only is Elizabeth a homicidal maniac, she's also racist in nature.
00:43:33
>> a literal monster. >> She's horrible. >> Yeah. According to Frank, the week before Olga went missing, she received a
00:43:39
threat from Esperanza Escoval, the manager of the Tropical Cafe, which was a restaurant that Elizabeth and her
00:43:45
friend Emma visited regularly. Okay. Um fraud and extortion weren't his regular beat, but Henderson figured there might
00:43:52
be some overlap between Frank's missing wife, so he was like, "Okay, I'll sit down with you guys and listen to this
00:43:57
story." Elizabeth claimed that after Frank had defended Escoval's husband in a recent
00:44:03
case, the woman demanded that Elizabeth help return the $500 she paid in legal fees.
00:44:09
Elizabeth told the detective she's got two Mexicans going to kill me and Frankie if I don't give back the $500
00:44:16
that she paid Frankie to defend her husband. So much about that, one of the things
00:44:21
being Frankie. Frankie Yeah, that just turned my stomach. >> So upsetting. Um, and also
00:44:27
why would she want the money back if he won the case for her son? Like I think that would be
00:44:34
payment enough. >> Yeah, that doesn't really make sense. Yeah, and also just saying like two
00:44:38
Mexicans. I'm like the way you say that is like very rude. >> you know. So at the time
00:44:44
the Escovels were known to the police as petty criminals and their restaurant, the Tropical Cafe, was known as a
00:44:50
hangout for other petty criminals. It wasn't like it wasn't the best place. So Elizabeth's claims of a stor- extortion
00:44:55
didn't seem that far-fetched. And she also claimed she had a witness to at least one of the attempted extortions.
00:45:01
She said her friend Emma had been with her when Esperanza accosted her on the sidewalk in front of the Tropical Cafe.
00:45:08
According to Elizabeth, Esperanza and another man grabbed her and threatened to kill her if she didn't get the money
00:45:13
for them. >> Jesus. So she said that she pawned some jewelry to give them at least some of
00:45:17
the money. She's in a lot of [ __ ] She's in a lot of [ __ ] She's up to her ears in [ __ ]
00:45:22
>> Yeah. So given what he knew about the Escovels, Elizabeth's story sounded somewhat plausible to Henderson. But
00:45:29
something about the entire thing just felt disingenuous at the same time. She was very performative. She was basically
00:45:35
hysterical, which was usually a pretty good indication that somebody was lying. But Frank had already explained that his
00:45:41
mother was high-strung and she kind of tended toward the dramatics, so it also seemed on brand for her at the same
00:45:47
time. But his hesitancy, the detective's hesitancy, had more to do with the facts
00:45:52
and the timeline more than anything else. According to Elizabeth, this all happened on November 13th, which was a
00:45:58
week before Olga went missing. But she only told her son about it the previous day after detectives interviewed Frank
00:46:04
about his missing wife. Interesting. >> And on top of that, like I said, Marciano Esquivel could have gone to
00:46:10
jail for multiple years, but thanks to Frank, his sentence was cut in half. >> Yeah. Like so, he didn't necessarily win
00:46:16
the case, but he got him much less time in prison. >> And under normal circumstances, a legal
00:46:21
defense on par with Frank actually would have cost three times what Frank charged
00:46:26
the couple. >> he's doing them a solid. >> Yeah. So, all things considered, like I
00:46:30
said, Esperanza and her husband would have been grateful or should have been. >> Not only for the strong defense, but
00:46:36
also for the reduced rate. But, here was Elizabeth saying that not only were they
00:46:40
ungrateful, they were actually demanding a refund. Doubt it. And Henderson wondered, why would they approach
00:46:45
Elizabeth about the money instead of her son who presumably actually had the resources to pay them? Like that doesn't
00:46:51
make any sense. >> Now, according to Elizabeth, the criminals had warned her not to tell
00:46:55
anybody about the extortion, especially not Frank. So, she kept it to herself and she scraped together some money.
00:47:01
Like she said, she pawned some jewelry. Then she asked Frank for a check to buy a typewriter, which she actually used to
00:47:08
pay the rest of the money to Esperanza except for $50, which she said she kept for herself.
00:47:14
Little tip. Little tip for herself. When Frank asked where the typewriter was, she broke down and she told him about
00:47:18
the extortion, adding that she believed they might come back and actually ask for more money, maybe as much as $6,000.
00:47:25
>> Woah. So, a few days later, the missing person's case and the extortion case were actually combined based on the
00:47:32
belief that they were connected and whoever was behind the extortion was also responsible for Olga going missing.
00:47:38
But, the deeper they dug into the case, the more they found themselves being led
00:47:42
back to Elizabeth Duncan, monster-in-law of the century. Er everybody that they spoke to about
00:47:48
Olga told them about the the harassment, how afraid Olga was of her mother-in-law, and every lead on the
00:47:54
extortion case turned out to be a dead end despite Elizabeth insisting that she was the one being targeted. All roads
00:48:00
are leading one way. Yes. So, finally, about a week later, Frank returns uh some mug shots to the police
00:48:07
that they had left at the apartment for Elizabeth to look over. Among the group in the photo array, she
00:48:13
identified two young men, Luis Moya and Gus Baldonado, both petty criminals, as the men who had been threatening her.
00:48:19
Mhm. The next day, Henderson and his partner picked up Luis Moya at the Blue Onion, which was a restaurant where he
00:48:26
was working at the time, and they brought him into the station. He admitted, yes, he knew Esperanza
00:48:31
Esquivel, and occasionally he helped out around the Tropical Cafe, but he said he
00:48:35
wasn't blackmailing anything or he wasn't blackmailing anybody, and he didn't know anything about Elizabeth
00:48:40
Duncan. But when the subject turned to Olga, Luis became even more insistent that he
00:48:45
had nothing to do with her disappearance, and he said, "I'll even stand up in a line. Look, I have nothing
00:48:50
to do with this." Elizabeth, like I just said, had already identified him from his mug shot a few
00:48:55
days earlier, and she swore up and down that she would recognize the men who attacked her anywhere.
00:49:00
But when she was standing on the other side of the two-way glass, she claimed she didn't recognize anybody in the
00:49:06
lineup. Interesting. >> Even though he was literally right there, and she had already identified
00:49:09
him. >> picked him out. Frank, on the other hand, who he didn't even have the experience that Elizabeth did, but he
00:49:14
saw the mug shot, he said he immediately recognized Moya from the photograph, and
00:49:19
he was like, "Mother, why don't you recognize this man?" >> Mother. It was only when he threatened to move
00:49:24
out that she agreed to take another look at Moya. Wow. >> And she begrudgingly told the
00:49:29
detectives, "Yeah, he was the one who's blackmailing me." >> is so gross. >> It's wild.
00:49:34
>> It really is. >> It's wild. So, to everybody's surprise, even after she identified Luis Moya as one of the men
00:49:41
extorting her, she refused to sign a formal complaint. In fact, it actually occurred to the detectives that
00:49:47
throughout the entire investigation, during which Elizabeth had repeatedly expressed fear for her and her son's
00:49:52
life lives. She seemed to go out of her way to not cooperate with them. Interesting.
00:49:58
>> Yeah. Now, with the suspect literally standing in front of her, she did not seem even remotely interested in getting
00:50:03
justice. And if she was unwilling to sign a complaint against him, there was nothing
00:50:08
detectives could do. So, they set the case aside for that moment and continued working on Olga's disappearance.
00:50:15
And pretty soon, they were going to make a crack in this case. I have a feeling I
00:50:20
know where this is going. Potentially. >> not, but maybe you do. I don't know. >> I believe in you.
00:50:27
This is terrifying. Yeah. Elizabeth is a terrifying woman. >> She's horrible. And Frank is a poisswa? Frank is the
00:50:34
poisswa. Of the century. >> Yeah, truly. Like, hello. Of the the universe. >> Actually, when it comes to Frank, like,
00:50:41
goodbye. Yeah. Tooraloo. That was weird. Did you guys just hear that? That was crazy. Um Jinx, do you
00:50:49
want me to cook? Mhm. Okay, do you have a fun fact? Oh, I do have a fun fact. >> Tell me your fun fact. And we'll be back
00:50:54
for part two um right after this. Let me see. Hold on, where's my fun fact? You're taller in the morning than you
00:51:02
are at night. What? You're about 1 cm taller because at night when you're laying down, your spine stretches and
00:51:09
decompresses. But throughout the day, the soft cartilage between the bones get squashed. And you compress a little.
00:51:16
Really cool. >> Yeah. So, you are taller in the morning than you are at night. What the [ __ ] Yeah. Why do you
00:51:22
shrink when you get old? I think hunching over, right? Yeah. Is that it? Just that you're hunched over?
00:51:29
>> Yeah. Oh. Interesting. >> You just crunching and hunching as you get older. Crunching and hunching. I'm
00:51:34
crunching and hunching right now. >> Yeah, I know. I need to I need to get that that form bra that Taylor Swift
00:51:40
wears for posture. Oh, yeah. I always get that ad on TikTok. >> I need to cuz I'm always hunching. I'll
00:51:46
do that for sure. But right now I'm just going to eat more pickle pretzels. [laughter] I think that'll help. We hope
00:51:51
you keep listening. And we hope you >> keep it weird, but not so weird that you are this kind
00:51:57
of mother-in-law because that is crazy on top of your head. >> That is crazy on top of your head.
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