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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Alina and this is [Music] morbid this is morbid it's almost
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Halloween Halloween Halloween this is is Halloween everybody make a scene pumpkins and stuff pumpkins and stuff
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all right hi hey how how was how are you how's everyone's almost Halloween good all good I'm glad you
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hear it I want to know what everyone's dressing up as cuz you oh my God you are you guys got to see what we dressed up
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as yes ahead of time she was if if anybody was confused Elena was Addison from zombies the I was alien Addison
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from Zombies 3 uh not to be mistaken with cheerleader or almost werewolf Addison so although you should have been
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almost werewolf Addison I like that but the so I'm sure everybody can understand
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that um I didn't choose that costume my children chose it for me and when they say can you be this for Halloween you
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say y yep and then they ask John to be Zed from Halloween so we were to uh we were you know alien Addison and zombies
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you guys looked great when you walked in I was dying and the kids are all from zombies as well I think we got a Willa
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the werewolf we got Eliza the zombie but then and then my littlest my littlest one we all know is is on a whole
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different planet on her own she's not on her she is half Willa the werewolf y half Remy split down the middle and the
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other half is Remy Ash's cat and she could not wait to show Remy my cat very excited to show Remy the cat that she
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was half um but yeah it turned out really well so we were a zombies family and also half of Remy the cat yeah of
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course I was just Miss Piggy and Drew was kermy you guys slayed it thank you I I'm so upset because I ordered a
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prosthetic nose I was telling Elena and cuz I wanted to go like full-fledged and
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I wanted to like glue down my eyebrows and like put the makeup like higher and I didn't have time to do my hair it was
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hard cuz I hosted thank you I hosted so I made all the food yeah once you when you're hosting it's hard to go all out
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with the costume and my prostatic never came I know that sucks I know I'm going to it's going to get delivered and I'm
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going to be like okay I don't need this anymore it's going to get delivered like
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two weeks after Halloween and you're just going to show up one day as Miss Piggy I mean to record imagine we're
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just going to be like hey girl I'm just like yeah see I wanted to be something scary but you know not this year there's
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always next year they're getting more into like spooky [ __ ] they are so you know whatever they request and like we
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were saying there's only so many years that your kids are in this like goofy excited like into everything go all out
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stage especially for Halloween costumes and it's like if they ask me to be something I'm going to be it until they
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don't ask me to be something anymore you know like it's just like I'm going to at
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least hold on to this for as long as I can yeah you go to but it'll be a sad day when they're like Mom we're going
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out with our friends for Halloween and I'm going to say no but then you can come trick-or-treating with me and my
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kids cuz they'll be younger that's very true so it'll be it'll be fine we'll have every stage of Life at some point I
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love that yeah I love that that was deep we'll have every stage of Life at some point I just meant like in kids but like
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but then you could double that as like we'll all hit every stage in life at some point wow Ash has crossed
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over listen I was up late last night my coffee hit and then it unhit she had like a Time relase coffee this morning
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that just hit like two hours later I did and then suddenly she was just bouncing
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off the wall singing that it girl song that song I I feel like it was written like to me it was not because
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I'm the it girl just because like it's so [ __ ] good I love that you're like I'm not the it girl oh I'm not being
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like I feel like it was written about me okay that song she had me in mind when she wrot that song it girl I think it
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was about ashal oh my God IM no i i just me like imagine oh wow I'm intolerable today I love you today I love you all
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days oh my God thank you today you're funny that was so nice today I'm funny you're never funny any other day what
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you little [ __ ] it went from so sweet to like [ __ ] you a checks the other day
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when I was like you need me and you were like okay I was like shut up all right not I'm not talking about this anymore
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Elena loves me a lot I do it's only uh infrequently that she bullies me yeah only infrequently but but it happens
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course it do I mean I bully you too infrequently during the day I told Elena today no ghost at the wedding and you
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would have thought that I shot the woman I bullied her yeah I didn't actually no
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you didn't bully me no I didn't I was like I bullied you then I was like wait no I didn't all
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right well we should probably get on with things cuz we're just nonsensical today did you eat a lot of candy
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yesterday I didn't eat a lot of candy actually maybe that's what's happening to me I ate so many [ __ ] fun ized
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Crunch bars and there it is and butter fingers I'm like on another planet today Space level a space level oh my God just
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really quickly I also last night watched um there was like a a Watch What Happens
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Live Like recap of the best Vanderpump Rules moments of watch what happened live and James Kennedy was on there and
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it was when he got to perform for Steve aoke and that really just sent me I love
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that and when you said Space level Space level it made me made me think of it made you think of it all right so anyway
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back to The Morbid I have a wild case today it's old timey so if you're not here for that then love you bye and if
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you're here for it love you high so it's the um it's Nan Patterson and the death of Caesar young and I say
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death because to this day we don't know if he was murdered oo I love when we all
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get to decide you get to decide this is also a very U case I looked at like a I don't know what happens per se
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but like I looked at a little summary of it and I was like this is a case that Ash like belongs covering I would say oh
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thank you so much yeah it's it's like Nan seemed a little fabulous if she didn't commit murder yeah I'm not sure
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if she did or not so so I won commit to be fabulous if she didn't yeah I'm not going to commit so the woman at the
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center of this case Nan Patterson she was actually born an Elizabeth Patterson name is not Nan it's an what a way what
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a like small subtle way to change it into like a stage I love it exactly so she was uh born in 1882 and she was one
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of three children born to John Patterson who was a well-known real estate developer in and around Washington DC I
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couldn't find anything about who Nan's mother was and I don't think da could either so when she was born he was uh
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the supervising architect of the treasury oh wow but he resigned at the beginning of Grover Cleveland first term
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as president and he said as a lifelong Republican he quote refused to hold office under a Democrat okay so that was
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that but live your life what' you say live your life live your life I guess yeah so Nan's early life was pretty
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unremarkable but things changed dramatically for her in 1898 when at just 16 years old she started dating a
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man named Leon Gaines Martin he was about 14 years older than Nan but that was like more acceptable I
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was going to say back then it was like pretty regular yeah it was so regular but it's so wild to hear that yeah now
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they met in Baltimore and after just one year together they actually ended up getting married Nan was 17 and Leon
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ended up taking a job with the San Francisco railroad which meant they now had to move from New York across the
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country to California so as a young now married woman in her later teens Nan she was
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still interested in doing the things that most people her age were interested in she liked fashion she liked theater
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she liked just like girly [ __ ] so being in California with the fashion and the theater was like being at the
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center of the cultural universe and she was [ __ ] stoked over it but Leon on the other hand married life wasn't
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really what he had expected okay yeah the first few months in San Francisco they were happy but it didn't take long
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for their relationship to start crumbling and Leon he had high expectations he wanted Nan his new wife
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to be dutiful obedient like old Terrible Things yeah you should definitely look for that in a partner
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yeah you know obedience fantastic absolutely she's can you imagine having that be like a a list of desirable
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qualities in your partner obedient I cannot yikes but what he got in said he later told reporters was a girl who
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quote was of a lively and emotional nature it's like you married someone almost 14 years your Junior of course
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she's full of life she just started Living it he just described a person who is alive correct emotional and Lively
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it's like that's that's just a that's a pulse that's a carbon based person I think like that's really just like like
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what did you want her like well I know what he wanted he wanted her docile and robotic and it's like well then you
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should have just got a robot my friend Jump Ahead in time a little bit or I mean back then you probably could have
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found somebody that you wanted yeah who got forced into that exactly but but to deal with his woes he started drinking
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heavily and gambling more often and that just only led to the relationship crumbling even faster than it would have
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and actually just one year after they got married and moved to the opposite side of the country they got separated
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oh yeah now years later they did end up divorcing and Nan cited desertion and failure to provide as the reason for the
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divorce which like knife yeah that hurts now Leon challenged her assertion telling the
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judge his wife quote had the stage fever and became inordinately fond of dress that he could not afford to give her the
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luxury she wanted she had the stage fever she had the stage fever and she liked to dress now that's I love that
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that's just a reason for divorce she got that stage fever oh back then it was actresses back then were looked so down
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upon it's crazy yeah you got that stage fever it's like a completely alternate universe to what we're used to now cuz
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it like we hold like actors and actresses pedestals and not back then M but what a douche so now moving on now
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that she wasn't able to rely on her husband for financial support in 1901 she auditioned for the floradora girls
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they were a traveling troop of chorus girls born out of the late 19th century stage play floradora um I always feel
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like I'm saying it wrong but I did Google it and it's floradora oh look at that it sounds cute it's it is and as
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well it's cute but it's also problematic because as a rule all floradora girls had to be exactly 5'4 and they had to
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weigh 130 lb wow that that Slims down the uh the applicant pool sure does and they also
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had to be a quote or they had to quote personify the ultimate the ultimate and feminine beauty it's like that's a lot
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this sounds so healthy yeah totally yeah now as a member of the floradora girls sex tet Nan toured the country as Nan
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Rudolph that was her stage name O and they got to travel they performed everywhere from California to Georgia to
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New York and she did that from the summer of 1901 until the spring of 1902 and when she went back in California
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around April or May of 1902 she started living with her sister Julia in San Francisco and it is around that time
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that she met a young man named Caesar young oh who as we know recognize that name ultimately dies now Caesar had been
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born in Sur England in 1867 and he come to the United States in 1890 as a poor amateur athlete and in the 10 or so
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years before he met Nan he actually had a mast of Fortune buying and selling race horses and also earned himself a
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reputation as a gambler bookmaker and notable quote unquote man about town man about town imagine that's your that's
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your occupation man about town just a man about town just a man about this town just about town I'm about this town
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I like that now as a horse trator Caesar traveled around the country buying and selling horses and he was on his way to
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California in the fall of 1902 when he met Nan on the train now a New York prosecutor would tell a jury in
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1904 that quote young was a man who exercised a singularly great influence on women and he was himself easily
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susceptible to women so given that easily susceptible to women I was really hoping you would would you would repeat
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that quote easily susceptible to women like where like we're like an illness all right so given that Caesar was
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immediately taken with the beautiful and vivacious Nan on the train of course so
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much so that they literally couldn't even wait for the train to reach California before shall we say getting
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to know each other more intimately oh consummating their friendship consummating their their acquaint
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meeting their meeting literally their introduction so these [ __ ] like locked eyes on the train he was like
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you're h she was like you're hot so they got off in Chicago instead of going all
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the way to California wow and they had a little afternoon Trist in a hotel damn folks got a hotel [ __ ] got back on the
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train in Chicago and then went back to California just hot people doing hot things that that is the definition of
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hot girl [ __ ] that is hot girl that what Meg had in mind when she wrote the song
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getting off a train to [ __ ] a man that you think is hot and then go back on the
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train to finish your journey go your business you know like damn wow obsessed all right so when Caesar and Nan got
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back on the train in Chicago they registered as Mr and Mrs Francis Thomas Young uh but there was a little bit of a
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problem Caesar was already married to a woman in New York oh not hot girl [ __ ]
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who was fully expecting to join him in California hot girl [ __ ] erased yeah and
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also this depends on how you look at things Nan was not officially divorced yet she
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was separated but not divorced all right so I don't personally at least I don't see an issue on her
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end you know you're separated but he has a lady but I see an issue on Caesar's end cuz at that point I don't know if he
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had been honest with Nan about the wife uh eventually he is and I didn't love that so in the two years that followed
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Nan and Caesar carried on their affair with a little regard for secrecy and they just spent time together whenever
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they could after Caesar's death many papers noted that quote it would have been useless
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for him to deny that he was infatuated with the woman oh no it's man you're married yeah in fact he was so
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infatuated with Nan that even the idea of her being married to another man regardless of the specifics of that
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marriage proved intolerable and less than a year into their relationship Caesar ended up paying for Nan's divorce
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from Leon and uh on April 30th 1903 she became a single woman again wow but it's
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like he just expedited that [ __ ] you can't deal with the fact that she's married to someone but you're married to
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someone what if what if she doesn't like that yeah that's not good you get to have your cake and eat it too sir
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absolutely so with Caesar's work allowing him to travel often and his investments in California needing him to
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spend quite a bit of time in and around San Francisco and then living there they
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had plenty of opportunities to see each other and despite Caesar being more than
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a decade older than Nan They carried on like lovers in their early 20s they would spend evenings at restaurants in
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Sacramento cafes in Los Angeles they were just living the high life living laughing and loving all the way but it's
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not cute because he has a wife yeah so according to the district attorney Caesar was a heavy drinker and quote
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would frequently at the track drink 30 glasses of beer and every morning he would have three or four drinks of
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Brandy with breakfast oh okay so you're starting your day off with three glasses of
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Brandy and then you go to the track and have 30 glasses of beer I'm I'm the red flags are flagging 30 that's a lot 30
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that's a lot that's insane some might say too much so meanwhile Caesar's wife Margaret ended up finding out about the
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affair and she had been doing her best to ignore her husband's infidelity but by the spring of 1904 after almost two
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years of the affair she'd grown pretty pretty tired of his [ __ ] yeah and she decided no I'm not going to tolerate
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this no way and in March of 1904 Caesar and Nan took a trip to Berkeley and then
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went on to Los Angeles to attend the races at Santa Anita Park but Margaret caught wind of their plans and she sent
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Caesar's business partner John Millan to LA to track down her husband and his mistress as she made her own way to La
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she was like you go before me I'm going to figure out some Affairs as we figure out this actual Affair you go ahead and
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track them down and I'll be on my way soon nothing is better than catching someone in the ACT yep when you know
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that it's happening I've never had that happen but I can only imagine that would
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just be like cuz it's just confirmation yeah and it's one of those things cuz during that whole when that stuff is
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happening you're convincing yourself that you're like losing it and that it's you being overly paranoid and they
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convince you that you're being overly paranoid so red-handed it's just like haha chef's kiss and basically that's
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pretty much what happened because so John Millan makes his way and eventually Millan finds Caesar and Nan staying at a
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Turkish Turkish Bath House in La and he calls Margaret and tells her where they are and she goes to the baths to
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confront them oh girl incredible so she did not give a [ __ ] about the onlook hookers and once she
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found Caesar she directly and loudly confronted him demanding he end the affair with Nan right then and there wow
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but also I'm like just go katcha and good luck together guys I'm moving on like it's I know it's not as easy as
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that trust me but it's like you just want to see them be like [ __ ] you guys I know I agree so Caesar he agreed
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reluctantly and he instructed John Millan to take Nan to the station give her $800 in cash and put her on a train
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to New York wow so long sister just discarded like trash cash by like how shitty as damn that's really like and
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that would just make you feel so yucky yeah it's like dehumanizing yeah so Millan did as he was instructed but
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Margaret's attempt to end her husband's Affair was uh ultimately unsuccessful you don't say just weeks after agreeing
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to end his relationship Caesar and Dan started seeing each other again of course with the same disregard for
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secrecy they'd shown the first time around now completely outraged at this point Margaret young again demanded her
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husband end this relationship and again he agreed okay we got to stop it's it's a roller coaster we got to stop and this
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time he insisted that quote he would spend as much time and travel as as would be required to kill his
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infatuation oh okay another red flag here yeah I'm I'm totally going to but I'm going to travel a lot I'm going to
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travel a lot to stop my INF situation with this other woman and like you're going to travel a lot meaning you're
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going to be away from home so it's unclear whether Caesar had genuinely intended to end what was clearly an
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obsessive relationship with Nan Patterson then honestly it's an [ __ ] move people people can die and still be
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[ __ ] when they lived like that is just the real yeah like maybe he wasn't an [ __ ] all the time but this is an
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[ __ ] this particular thing we can all agree is not cool thank you but at the very least he at this point he was
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committed enough to the idea of ending the relationship that he agreed to spend the summer traveling around Europe with
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Margaret okay and the two were scheduled to depart from New York on a white star
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ocean liner on the morning of June 4th 1904 white star isn't that the Titanic line oh my God is it is it I think it
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might be can you Google that quickly I think it's like white Starline I think you might be right yeah operated by
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white Starline wow Titanic that's on another level that's really wild and what year
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was this 1904 1904 wow so 1912 I think it was Titanic wow wow that's crazy interesting so they were probably like
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building the Titanic at that point that's while holy [ __ ] well they don't end up on the going on it they don't
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Flash Forward the future well and they don't end up going on this ocean liner okay so yes they were scheduled to
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depart on a white star ocean liner in the morning of June 4th 1904 but of course Caesar felt that he
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had to see Nan one last time before he left for the summer you know continued to have his cake and eat it too oh boy
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so on the evening before the evening of June 3r he did agree or Nan did agree to
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meet Caesar at uh this place called Flanery it's a restaurant in lower Manhattan and they had dinner and
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champagne and they had certainly hoped to be alone but they ended up being joined that evening by Caesar's
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brother-in-law so Margaret's brother William loose or luche uh who insisted on accompanying
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Caesar to the meeting but agreed to sit at an adjacent table so is he there as like a chaperon I believe so I don't
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it's this is a strange scenario it is a strange scenario I it's unclear to me if
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Margaret sent her brother to watch them or if maybe Caesar and the brother were just the the brother-in-law were just
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close and he was like I want to make sure you don't [ __ ] my sister over and like I'll I'll do you this solid so you
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can say bye to your girl this is all very mess yeah it's very messy no matter what way it's going it's messy yeah it's
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bad so see he sat at the adjacent table and accompanied them on their date and according to the owner of Flannery
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Caesar and Nan seemed to be discussing their relationship at first calmly but after a few drinks the conversation
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ended up getting heated and Caesar insisted he was leaving and the relationship M relationship must come to
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an end he told Nan I have loved you and I do love you now but I will travel until I forget you I will stay abroad a
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year if necessary I'm the this is so intense it's so intense this is so intense I
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will travel it's an interesting method of going about this I will travel until I forget you like yeah
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I don't maybe being other places like it's just a strange method I guess maybe being places where they hadn't been
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together yeah kind of thing maybe because I'm like distance makes the hardcore fonder I thought it does this
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doesn't seem like it's going to work maybe it's just the idea of like I won't run between us kind of thing I don't
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know like I think it's like in Gilmore Girls when Max says that he can't be near Laura and he says keep a big
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basketball player siiz person in in between us Justice for Max Medina they should Hest Justice for Max Medina I do
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love Luke but I do justice for Max but I loved Max same but before parting ways that evening Caesar did agree to meet
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with Nan one last time the next morning before leaving for the pier so he is literally getting on a [ __ ] like I
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don't know it's probably a yacht with his with his wife and is like this is the last time I'm going to see you Nan
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I'm just going to meet my mistress one more time actually just kidding I'm going to see you the morning before I
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leave like this is a lot cold turkey dude this is like not a great look here no so the next morning Caesar left the
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apartment that he shared with Margaret a little before 7: a.m. and told Margaret
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he was quote going to attend to some urgent business and that he'd meet her at the pier a little after 9:00 a.m. and
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also like and also I have to say cuz we're saying like Caesar this is an [ __ ] move n [ __ ] move move ABS
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[ __ ] lutely move really as like you guys got to get it together that's the thing like you're both doing this to
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this woman this is really [ __ ] up yeah because before like when I was saying like like hot girl [ __ ] I don't think
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Nan knew that that's they together hot girl [ __ ] when everyone's single and everyone's happy right and fine but now
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you know it's messy as [ __ ] now you know he's literally going out with his with
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his wife on an ocean liner to go travel together to repair their relationship and you are agreeing to meet him like
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you're both messy this is messy that's super [ __ ] up it's really yucky so he and he's telling her I have to attend to
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some business yeah and that's [ __ ] up he's still lying to you yeah now as we know obviously the business was uh
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meeting Nan so they met a little before 8:00 a.m. and they were headed in the direction of the pier so they're
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literally heading toward the pier where he's supposed to meet his wife to leave God and they're in a handsome cab which
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is a it's like a type of horse and carriage where the passengers sit in the carriage right behind the horse and the
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driver is Seated on a spring seat behind the cab oh okay and that will be important later that's why I went to
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detail we'll try to post a picture if we can yeah I've definitely seen those types yeah as soon as I looked it up I
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was like oh okay yeah so now just as the cab approached the corner of Franklin Street in West Broadway the driver heard
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a loud bang come from inside the cab and once he managed to get his horse under control he pulled the cab to the side of
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the street and flagged down a nearby patrol officer who rushed over to see what the hell was going on and when the
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officer reached the cab he looked inside and saw that Caesar young had collapsed
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into Nan's lap and appeared to be unconscious now as soon as he lifted Caesar into an upright position the
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officer saw that there was a large hole in his chest oh just slightly lower than
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his left shoulder now upon a quick search of the body the officer did locate the pistol
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which had fallen into Caesar's jacket pocket with one chamber empty now as all of this was going on Nan just appeared
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to be stunned and was clasping her hands repeating Caesar Caesar why did you do this H now without hesitating the
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officer told the cab driver Frederick Michaels to drive as fast as possible to the nearby Hudson Street hospital where
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Caesar unfortunately was pronounced dead before they were ever able to get him to
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the operating table and when Nan heard that Caesar hadn't made it she became hysterical and quote the services of a
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physician who was to have attended to Young were enlisted in her AG instead damn and that's from the the New York
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Times in 1904 it's always cool in cases like this when like a New York Times article was written but it's in 1904 I
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know yeah cuz it's always interesting to see how they word things too because it's just always so different yeah and
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it's just interesting like the fact that the New York Times has been operating for as long as it exactly now once she
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was able to compose herself Nan ended up being taken to the Leonard Street police
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station where she sat for an interview with Captain Sweeney according to and she and Caesar had met early that
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morning so that she could see him one last time before he left for England and on the way to the dock she said Caesar
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had the cab driver stop at two different saloons where he had at least one drink
00:28:09
of whiskey before getting back in the cab so he had two or yeah two drinks of whiskey okay and this I mean this guy
00:28:16
drinks heavily so this wouldn't be so yeah he does drink heavily and the thing is she said at least one drink so
00:28:23
it's a little unclear how much he did drink okay I don't know if she just like was trying to protect him or if she got
00:28:29
confused in the chaos of everything but at least one drink at both saloons so at
00:28:34
least two drinks total okay now as they got to the docks close to the docks excuse me they started arguing about
00:28:41
their relationship and his leaving when according to Nan Caesar in a moment of impulsivity pulled a gun from his jacket
00:28:48
pocket he told her he wanted one last Embrace quote unquote pulled her into his chest wrapped his right arm around
00:28:56
her neck and then suddenly discharged the gun under her shoulder into the left side of his chest so like wrapped his
00:29:04
right arm around her and it would make sense that if that was the case he would have shot into his left shoulder yeah
00:29:12
yep or in front of his left shoulder I mean it also makes sense he could like if he's a righty that would be where it
00:29:17
would go anyways you're not going to like bend it inward yeah like picture hugging somebody putting your armor
00:29:23
around them and where does your hand kind of end up so when the gun went off she said Caesar dropped the pistol and
00:29:28
it fell into his jacket pocket as he slumped forward into her lap and she told the investigator quote now that
00:29:34
he's dead I love him so dearly that I feel I have nothing to live for and no desire to live which is really sad W
00:29:40
that is sad now as she was being interviewed by Captain Sweeney a very distraught John Millan if you remember
00:29:46
from the beginning Caesar's business partner yeah entered the Leonard Street station and he was quote unquote
00:29:52
flustered with excitement and rage and demanded to see Nan and when the desk Sergeant wouldn't allow him to he
00:29:59
shouted I could kill that woman she cannot deceive me she did for young what she has done for two other men before
00:30:05
she cannot deceive me I knew young since we were boys together so he's claiming that she killed two other men I was just
00:30:11
going to say I'm sorry do she have information we don't have out of nowhere like damn now a bit later Nan was being
00:30:17
L out of Captain Sweeney's office and taken to the coroner's office as that was happening Milan who had been sitting
00:30:23
there waiting for her jumped out of his chair and rushed toward her making a move to strike her whoa but before he
00:30:31
could two officers grabbed him and dragged him away and they were like uh you're going to get arrested if you try
00:30:36
to pull that sh H people so instead he followed Nan and the accompanying officers down the hall shouting after
00:30:43
her that quote if he had a gun he would shoot her then and there damn this whole
00:30:48
thing is just so messy it's so dramatic and so messy and and he seems very very convinced that she did this like there's
00:30:56
no question doubt in his mind so the scene repeated itself outside of the station with
00:31:02
Millan again trying to assault Nan Who cowered Behind the accompanying officer begging her to quote unquote save her
00:31:08
from millan's Fury my God she's [ __ ] terrified yeah it looks like he's going to like try to kill her quite literally
00:31:13
if he had a gun he probably would have now at the coroner's office even more information came to light that didn't do
00:31:20
much to help Nan's case if Caesar's death was a suicide like Nan intended or like Nan had indicated excuse me then
00:31:28
that would have been easily proven by only one set of fingerprints on the weapon but according to Nan her
00:31:35
fingerprints would be on the gun as well she said quote because I took the pistol
00:31:39
out of his pocket and put it back again why why would you do that like I that is very strange to
00:31:50
me yeah so did she have a reason or she was just like yeah I just I picked it up
00:31:56
before said I took the pistol out of his pocket and put it back again so she watched
00:32:01
somebody kill themselves with a weapon mhm and then she said I should probably touch that weapon and then put it back
00:32:10
where I found it y okay yeah I mean I've never been in that position so I'm not going to say it's a total impossibility
00:32:18
I don't know but there strange it's strange but there was a detail that helped her here okay there didn't appear
00:32:25
to be any gunpowder residue on her I was going to ask that indicating that while
00:32:29
she may have held the gun it wasn't likely that she fired it if there's no gun gunshot residue on her hands all
00:32:35
right that's pretty interesting that is is it that's a that's a pretty big one strange and she there's absolutely no
00:32:41
way she would have been able to wash her hands the police officer came right to the cab after it happened and
00:32:46
immediately escorted her and was their gunshot residue on his hand we will find out that yes there was gunshot residue
00:32:52
on his hands oh interesting huh so things got worse when John Millan arrived with with additional details
00:32:58
about Nan's history with men huh the coroner told the New York Times quote Mr Millan has made many grave charges
00:33:05
against this woman Millan told me that a member of the benur company killed himself on her account while she was
00:33:11
with the floradora company and that afterward another man who got into trouble with her killed himself ah now
00:33:18
millan's claims of Nan suspiciously driving other men to Suicide were uh entirely unsubstantiated okay cuz I was
00:33:24
going to say do we have like proof of this they were never ever determined to be anything more than rumor oh okay so
00:33:30
there wasn't even like proof that this had even happened literally no proof whatsoever but still his comments
00:33:36
started a classist misogynistic Rumor Mill that would not only persist through the investigation and trials but also
00:33:42
influen their outcome in a big way now the biggest problem investigators faced was that while multiple people had
00:33:49
theories about what happened between n and Caesar no one actually saw anything yet like they have they haven't talked
00:33:55
to anybody yet who actually saw what happened in the C the cab driver told police he never heard any argument and
00:34:01
was only aware of the problem when he heard the gun go off up until that point he was like I was just driving the
00:34:07
[ __ ] C he was just paying attention to what was in front of him yeah I didn't hear anything but police had
00:34:11
other information that made them doubt Nan's claim of suicide Captain Sweeney told the Press quote it looks to me like
00:34:18
murder our information includes several letters of a threatening nature which were sent to Young supposedly at the
00:34:24
insistence of this woman uhoh so he's saying that Caesar was getting all these like threatening letters before maybe
00:34:31
not from Nan but she urged somebody to write him these letters oh we're we're getting a little Messier here we're
00:34:37
getting a little Loosey Goosey with these we're getting real messy like she didn't write them but but she told
00:34:44
someone to and it's like it's also like how are you going to prove that exactly and fun fact they don't uh but please
00:34:51
know that this will remain messy all the way through okay up until the very end and then we will get no resolution qu no
00:34:59
quite literally none I also can't stop saying quite literally because of Austin from Southern Charm I'm sorry about it
00:35:04
quite literally quite literally Madison it's so bad so anyways Captain Sweeney wouldn't say what information was in the
00:35:11
letters at that point but reporters quickly learned that they had been sent from the address of Mrs J Morgan Smith
00:35:18
Nan's sister who she had lived with oh and they indicated danan was quote greatly rough up on Young's account and
00:35:25
that she Mrs Smith would not be responsible for what would happen if he ever tried to Desert her
00:35:31
sister I mean I mean whoa that just feels like just sisterly like and also I don't think anyone ever even saw the
00:35:39
letters like they're just being like I heard yeah that this letter was written by this lady and that it said this and
00:35:46
it's like can you show me it and they're like no I did hear it that's enough that's the thing this is reporters being
00:35:52
like I found out that it was sent from this address and back then a source close to me says this and it's like what
00:35:57
source and they're like I'm not going to tell you exactly and we know even like with the Jack the Ripper case they put
00:36:03
random [ __ ] in there all the time had happen so but according to Captain Sweeney
00:36:09
there were about three letters written to Caesar all vaguely threatening in nature and Nan claimed to know nothing
00:36:14
about them okay she was like I didn't tell anybody to write [ __ ] she could be lying she could be telling the truth I
00:36:19
don't know so after the autopsy was completed the coroner released his finding that the death uh the excuse me
00:36:25
the cause of death was a hemorrhage of the lung from a bullet that entered the body quote just below the left shoulder
00:36:31
between the first and second ribs piercing the apex of the left lung wow like what a way to go damn now given all
00:36:37
the unanswered questions Nan was taken into custody and held in a suit in a Cell excuse me at the tombs City prison
00:36:44
imagine having to go to the tombs well and it's also like if she really was just in this cab with this man and he
00:36:52
gave her a hug and shot himself in the lung that's horrible while hugging in her and she just witnessed this and now
00:36:59
is being put in the Tomb jail cell can you imagine how [ __ ] up this is no and then she like if she did not do this she
00:37:08
was put through the ringer I always think of that when it's like an unknown you don't know if they did it or if it
00:37:14
was some other way it's like imagine if they didn't and it's really shitty cuz like obviously back then women weren't
00:37:20
trusted like you couldn't you couldn't say like on my word as a woman you know like nobody gave a [ __ ] about you un
00:37:27
no and honestly that's why my that's where my stance on the death penalty started to shift really during this
00:37:34
during the creation of this entire podcast this whole show it was like people started talking to me more about
00:37:40
it and the more I thought about it the more I was like Wow imagine imagine if you get it wrong like humans are
00:37:47
fallible people have sat in prison for like 3050 years and it's like and then new evidence comes out and it's like oof
00:37:55
it gets T it's like something something you can undo and in this case especially
00:37:59
it's basically all he said she said there's not a lot of forensic evidence in this case of course not and a lot of
00:38:04
the like well I heard this from soand so is completely unsubstantiated yeah and that's why that's why these kind of
00:38:11
crimes like in this era always fascinate me too is because with the with you know
00:38:17
the the advancements in technology and forensic science and all that good stuff is very fascinating and I love that
00:38:22
stuff absolutely but seeing them like obviously this is a different one cuz this is kind of a a wonky one where it's
00:38:29
like he said she said when they do solve a crime from back in these days it's crazy fascinating because like they did
00:38:36
that with like nothing like no advancements in anything all just like full detective work like just boots to
00:38:44
the ground kind of like nose in there kind of thing and it's like fascinating to see them do it oh it absolutely but
00:38:50
then it's really interesting to see this side of it too where it's like this is where it can go really wrong them having
00:38:55
no technology whatsoever honestly well and it's interesting too because I I used to be like f like I didn't like
00:39:01
mind you doing the old cases but like they honestly to be frank they weren't my favorite but now I prefer them yeah
00:39:07
it's so funny because I think they're so much more interesting and that's why I've started doing them yeah they just
00:39:11
like every once in a while they throw a really old timey one in there it's just it's really interesting to see the
00:39:16
dichotomy of how they solve these things it is it really is yeah so that's why we've been doing them but don't worry we
00:39:22
we're all over the map yeah we do everything we'll stay all over I think didn't I just do a case from like the
00:39:25
70s that's my [ __ ] there it is so yes taken to the tombs Dan was and she was held on $5,000 bill I don't know why I
00:39:32
said it like that but I did so her attorney Abraham Levy came up with the money for her release actually but very
00:39:39
aware and nervous about public interest in the case the district attorney William Jerome immediately challenged
00:39:45
the bail and ordered that she be held without bail oh which if you think about what they had versus what they didn't
00:39:51
have the fact that she was held without bail is [ __ ] especially because it's like you don't
00:39:59
have anything even if you really like like this seems like a very oneoff yeah Crime of Passion case if
00:40:07
that which is not okay obviously but it's like a when we're talking about like holding bail and all that that does
00:40:13
factor into it like whether this is like your a threat to society here like you're just going to run around or like
00:40:19
a flight risk or something yeah and it's like so even with that like not being the case they're still doing that like
00:40:26
am they have nothing and when she was arrested the only evidence like the only evidence that they're holding her
00:40:31
without bail on is uh a sworn affidavit from a junior police officer who was the
00:40:37
first on scene and in this affidavit the officer stated his belief that Nan was quote criminally involved wow and so
00:40:45
she's being held without bail cuz like he thought so cuz I cuz like I feel it I feel my bones wild now despite that
00:40:53
being the only quote unquote evidence investigators and the District Attorney's Office pressed forward as
00:40:59
though Nan were guilty wow less than a week after the shooting the district attorney there uh William Jerome brought
00:41:06
the case to a grand jury with two surprise Witnesses he said he hoped would secure him an indictment oh a man
00:41:12
who claimed to have witnessed the shooting and the owner of the pawn shop where the pistol was P purchased oh damn
00:41:19
this is this is getting interesting it is so on June 8th a wonderful [ __ ] day before the grand jury had been
00:41:26
convened a man named aleron mayor I'm going to call him mayor because I don't want to like butcher that name butcher
00:41:33
his name exactly but a supposed witness to the shooting went to the press to publicly identify himself and tell his
00:41:40
story before making a formal statement to the police or the district attorney just went balls to the wall and was like
00:41:45
sup public wow he told the papers he'd seen the struggle inside the cab and quote the shooting appeared to be
00:41:53
accidental he said oh now his account actually seemed to corroborate what Nan had told police in her statement but
00:41:59
more importantly he was one of very few people with no agenda that could speak on her defense on behalf of her defense
00:42:07
so when the story broke about mayor witnessing the crime the DA's office came forward to announce the identity of
00:42:13
their own witness a man named Carl norlander according to them norlander had been brought to the tombs where he
00:42:20
positively ided Nan as the woman he saw shoot Caesar young in the cab but the problem was that there were no
00:42:27
eyewitnesses to the shooting and the heavy news coverage of Caesar's death had prompted a flood of letters to Nan's
00:42:33
defense team and the District Attorney's office from all these supposed Witnesses
00:42:38
and it basically just caused this this whole messy again situation where both sides were trying to outdo each other
00:42:44
with false claims just to strengthen their cases and instead of taking place in a courtroom where a judge could have
00:42:50
controlled all this chaos it was taking place publicly in the newspapers pretty much by Design because both sides knew
00:42:58
that they were swaying The public's view with each Story coming out now like millan's vague claims of n's history
00:43:04
with other men the coroner and the district attorney also became willing participants in this media frenzy and
00:43:11
both with little regard for truth or their professional obligations they basically saw Nan's
00:43:17
case as an opportunity to make a bigger name for themselves and they were trying
00:43:21
to capitalize on that so day after day public officials from the coroner to the police captain to the district attorney
00:43:28
were giving statements to the Press where they made vague or un unsubstantiated claims of n's guilt and
00:43:34
they would hint at having these few irrefutable like pieces of evidence but never produce any for example just one
00:43:42
day before the grand jury was convened the coroner made a statement to the Press declaring I have obtained sworn
00:43:48
information which makes it certain that when the inquest is held the jury will find this defendant responsible for the
00:43:55
death of Caesar Young wow that's confident uh he didn't shocked because when he was asked what this information
00:44:01
was he said I I can't share it with you right now you know what it goes to another school you wouldn't know it yeah
00:44:07
exactly she doesn't even go here so like very classic yeah exactly so all the unfounded claims aside and media frenzy
00:44:15
aside the prosecutor did have a solid lead in a man named Heyman Stern he was the pawn breaker pawn broker the pawn
00:44:24
breaker The Pawn Broker who claimed to have sold the pistol used in Caesar's death now shortly after Nan's arrest
00:44:31
this man Stern positively ided the revolver that they'd found in Caesar's pocket as the one he sold the Friday
00:44:37
before Caesar's death but when he was asked to identify Nan as the female of the couple who purchased this pistol
00:44:45
together he said no that's not her so then the police theorized that it could have been Nan's sister who went to buy
00:44:52
the gun with her husband J Morgan Smith because remember they said n's sister was the one to
00:44:58
maybe send Caesar those threatening letters that nobody ever saw of course those those George glass threatening
00:45:04
letters exactly they were like don't exist maybe she was doing her sis a solid maybe writing letters and buying
00:45:10
guns yeah [ __ ] sister that's I was going to say sibling [ __ ] for real who's Co we takeen so despite a lack of
00:45:16
evidence tying n to the shooting the da presented the case to a grand jury that included a considerable amount of uh of
00:45:23
questionable testimony from people they said witness the shooting and after hearing the evidence the jury made the
00:45:29
unconventional request to hear Nan's account of uh events but her Council decided that it probably was not in her
00:45:38
best interest to go on the stand it was a tough one because that is tough on one side of things she can sit
00:45:46
there and you know tell the jury her side of events and hopefully they believe her but then on the other side
00:45:52
what if they don't like her for some reason or like they don't believe her for some reason she doesn't give them
00:45:57
the proper emotional response that they are looking for exactly she gets backed into something that sounds a little
00:46:03
fishy you know like it's really risky it is but that request alone definitely hinted that the jury wasn't entirely
00:46:10
convinced by the prosecution's case because they're like okay like can we hear from her yeah but still Abe Levy
00:46:17
and Nan's other lawyers viewed the request for her to testify as more of a risk like we were just saying than
00:46:22
anything else and as far as they were concerned the evidence against Dan for itself and it was telling an
00:46:27
unconvincing story so they felt there was nothing to be gained by having her appear okay unfortunately her refusal to
00:46:35
appear in court did not help her case I was going to say I feel like it just would have been why not yeah you know
00:46:41
know at this point it's like what do you have to lose tough call though I can see
00:46:45
why they were like [ __ ] what do we do here but I feel like it would have been a better call to have her on there yeah
00:46:49
in this case and probably because despite their previously indicated doubt on June 13th the grand jury returned an
00:46:56
indictment of Murder in the First Degree against Nan Patterson and on June 21st she appeared before a judge in General
00:47:03
Sessions Court and her lawyers entered her into a plea of not guilty now from the moment Nan was found in the cab with
00:47:09
Caesar tons of news outlets from New York to California had made it clear that while they didn't know if she was
00:47:15
responsible for Caesar's death or not there was no doubt she was UN unsavory character because she's an actress no
00:47:23
doubt no doubt no doubt she had that stage favor and basically that was their main focus
00:47:29
on June 5th just one day after Caesar's death the front page of the San Francisco call referred to Nan as a
00:47:35
quote Recker of the bookmaker home oh my and when they talked about Caesar's wife
00:47:40
Margaret they called her a beautiful and talented woman who has been credited by
00:47:44
her husband with having lifted him from a position of poverty to one of affluence wow which like they should be
00:47:50
nice about his wife she got really [ __ ] screwed over here oh yeah but like you don't know if Nan's guilty or
00:47:55
not so so she it's like we're really just going with that guilty thing huh exactly and in reality Caesar's wealth
00:48:01
actually had not come from his wife yeah and it's like here's the thing Nan did some bad [ __ ] 100% like like that should
00:48:09
be like yeah that's [ __ ] up she did wreck the bookmaker home but she was not alone in that he to home yep takes two
00:48:16
to tango exactly but the article in the call is the perfect example of the classism and misogyny that surrounded
00:48:23
all three of n trials whoa all three three yeah strap in everybody get comfortable damn so quote unquote home
00:48:32
wrecking aside Nan's onstage career was also looked down upon by many Americans who as author uh car s grave pointed out
00:48:40
quote looked upon females within the field field as loose and generally immoral so because she was part of this
00:48:48
like traveling group of the floradora girls and wanted to be an actress they were like they were like gross nasty
00:48:55
what a so yeah the other thing is Nan barely spent any time acting but throughout her trials she would
00:49:01
constantly be referred to as the actress in like a mocking tone the actress and they I think they honestly that that's
00:49:09
said like an insult the actress imagine gwenth gwenith on her trial being like the actress the actress like what like
00:49:17
what but they clearly were hoping that that little piece of information about her life yeah would sway the jury if
00:49:24
they didn't like absolutely it's a tactic quote unquote loose and generally immoral girls wow wild so the trial the
00:49:31
first one did get underway finally on November 15th 1904 and the assistant district attorney William Rand was
00:49:38
acting as the prosecutor and Abe Levy there was uh leading Nan's defense so despite the media circus that surrounded
00:49:45
the case the trial the first one was pretty simple and straightforward the prosecution alleged that Nan was afraid
00:49:51
of losing Caesar so she shot him in a jealous fit of rage the assistant da told the jury we will show you that the
00:49:58
wound which brought about his death could not have been self-inflicted and that the weapon which was used could not
00:50:04
have been purchased by him or have belonged to him now at the time of the trial Nan's sister and brother-in-law
00:50:10
The Smiths who the prosecution believed had purchased the gun that killed Caesar
00:50:14
they hadn't been loc located so they couldn't they weren't able to be subpoena damn but nevertheless the
00:50:21
district attorney made a show of calling the pawn breaker why do I keep saying Pawn breaker I don't know I don't know
00:50:27
at all funny though it is funny you're welcome The Pawn Broker Heyman Stern the district attorney made a show of calling
00:50:34
him to the stand so that they could show him photos of the Smiths and they were hoping he'd be able to confirm that they
00:50:41
were the people who bought the gun the night before the shooting okay but what the jury didn't know was that Stern had
00:50:48
already seen pictures of the couple and told the district attorney he did not recognize either of those people as the
00:50:54
buyer of the pistol all right but coincidentally when the time came for stern to testify the prosecutor's office
00:51:02
got word that he'd actually been stricken by appendicitis and his testimony would have to wait oh so when
00:51:10
asked whether the appendicitis had been brought on by the trial assistant DA William Rand who had absolutely no way
00:51:16
of knowing replied it may have been in fact I think that nervous strain which he's been under is the cause oh you sir
00:51:24
you're District attorney you're not doctor let's not now the defense on the other hand their argument they
00:51:30
maintained their assertion that Caesar had been drinking the morning of his death his judgment was impaired by
00:51:35
whiskey and no food and he shot himself in a fit of what they called quote unquote alcoholically sentimental
00:51:42
despair wow that's what a name for it I know so in support of their argument the
00:51:47
defense attorney Levy there called a man named Milton Hazelton to the witness stand 78-year-old Hazelton had been in
00:51:54
New York for a short time a short trip in June and he claimed he'd been walking down the street with an acquaintance
00:52:00
When They Came Upon a handsome cab as it pulled to a stop he claimed in the cab quote they saw a young man and woman
00:52:07
facing each other with their hands clasped together there was a commotion of some kind going on the young woman
00:52:13
just then dropped her hands to her lap and immediately the two witnesses noticed a revolver in the man's hand
00:52:19
just excuse me in the man's hand and heard it go off this is so complex it is and it's interesting because at certain
00:52:27
times they're like nobody saw this happen that's the thing like and then they're like this guy saw this happen
00:52:32
they're like look an eyewitness who has every single view of every angle of this
00:52:35
crime and it's like wow okay that's the thing and the problem here is that the canm cab didn't come to a stop before
00:52:45
yeah it was because sound it pulled over after the shot so I don't know about this witness that the D that the defense
00:52:51
called in my opinion I don't know if this man saw what he saw yeah or what he said he saw I don't know but his
00:52:59
testimony was corroborated by a second witness John Lor I believe is how you say it he was coming out of a nearby
00:53:05
drug sh drugstore excuse me when the shot was fired and he said quote as the cab passed me I heard a shot fired okay
00:53:13
so in his statement the cab is moving which makes more sense I looked into the cab and saw a pistol in the right hand
00:53:20
of the man who sat there on the right side of the cab when the cab had gone half a block further it stopped I
00:53:27
climbed up on the step and looked in the man still held the pistol okay but that's confusing because had he already
00:53:34
shot himself the gun at that point had fallen into his pocket so you wouldn't have if he had just shot himself and the
00:53:42
gun fell he wouldn't still be holding it and it's like did it fall cuz I was more
00:53:46
confused when they were talking about how I think Nan said he shot himself then put the gun in his pocket she said
00:53:54
the gun fell in his pocket okay I thought she made it like cuz may I was going to say maybe he didn't die right
00:53:59
away and he was able to place that in his pocket before that's I don't know why he would but like who knows she said
00:54:06
he had shot himself and then the gun fell into his pocket oh see that's less believable to me that's what I more
00:54:12
believable to me that he would just take he would quickly put in his pocket before succumbing yeah it's
00:54:19
interesting yeah see so it all just kind of like when you look at this eyewitness
00:54:23
yeah these two eye yeah and then and then it's like and then she and then her fingerprints were on the gun and she
00:54:33
said she touched it by bringing it out of his pocket and putting it back in so it's like did she [ __ ] up and did the
00:54:38
gun not fall in his pocket but she put it in his pocket then didn't want to say that and maybe this eyewitness did see
00:54:43
the gun in his hand possibly she just put it his maybe she picked it up out of his hand and then like put it in his
00:54:48
pocket like holy [ __ ] yeah that could have happened absolutely you know like you're just just to like pick it up like
00:54:55
holy [ __ ] what happened here and then like oop well there you have it reasonable doubt that's the thing like
00:55:00
right there look at me lawyering but it's like that that could have been it and maybe Nan was mistaken or didn't
00:55:08
want to say but maybe she was just mistaken she could have been so well because remember they interviewed her
00:55:14
literally like like a few minutes she just in shock anxious and was like yeah I picked it up out of his pocket and put
00:55:20
it back in maybe what she did was take it out of his hand hold it for and be like holy [ __ ] and just drop in his
00:55:25
pocket possibly and maybe that lines up more with what this white eyewitness is saying yeah and then I should say the
00:55:30
first one I was like well I don't know about that because the cab hadn't stopped at that point he said as it
00:55:35
pulled to a stop so it was mov moving all right so that's the defense there all right but the prosecution in the
00:55:42
absence of Heyman Stern the the pawn breaker LOL huh in in the absence of his testimony they had to rely on the little
00:55:49
forensic evidence that they had so on November 22nd a representative for the coroner's office arrived in court with a
00:55:55
teaching skeleton that he wanted to use to show the trajectory of the bullet from the point of entry evidence they
00:56:02
felt would show Caesar couldn't have fired the shot himself okay so they wanted to bring in this whole skeleton
00:56:07
and do this whole like [ __ ] which I'm four let's go yeah what what would you call reenactment I don't know but Nan's
00:56:15
attorney Levy immediately objected to the skeleton quote on the ground that the skeleton was that of a man smaller
00:56:22
than the bookmaker of whose murder his client is accused so he was saying that skeleton is
00:56:29
smaller than Caesar so it won't be accurate which yeah if you want to do it got a skeleton that's the same SI if
00:56:37
you're going to do it I mean I'm sure yeah now the judge actually overruled the objection and allowed the Pres the
00:56:43
presentation that's the word I was looking for the presentation to continue but later even the Press would admit
00:56:48
that the cor the coroner's demonstration quote did not settle the question whether the wound which was fatal to
00:56:53
Young could have been self-inflict icted so they went to the trouble of doing this entire presentation and it honestly
00:56:59
just seemed to confuse people more than anything yeah cuz like when you really that that's the thing that I'm hung up
00:57:04
on is like he's saying he was hugging her and reached around her to shoot himself I'm like that's yeah that does
00:57:11
seem like a lot it absolutely does but remember he was most likely drunk yeah just but it just seems like a very
00:57:20
awkward it does thing it absolutely does and I'm like and and I'm also kind of shocked that well I guess back then they
00:57:27
weree a lot of layers women because I was going to say I'm a little shocked that she doesn't have any kind of Mark
00:57:32
from the gun cuz it was probably like against her a little bit yeah when he did it you know like
00:57:41
well I don't know because cuz I'm trying I'm trying to like reach my arms I mean
00:57:45
I have short arms maybe that's what this long arms because they I couldn't get that angle that's the thing I couldn't
00:57:51
get that angle either because they said that it went below his shoulder because at first actually when I'm I'm actually
00:57:58
having a realization right now because when I was reading it I thought it went through the front of his body but now
00:58:02
that I'm presenting this again it sounds like it went through the back of his body or it went the front in his
00:58:09
shoulder oh I think they for some reason I always think of shoulder as like being
00:58:13
back I think it was the front of his body but like up in his shoulder area or towards his shoulder and then went like
00:58:19
like angled down toward the L which would makes but it's which makes sense if you're hugging I but it's a just
00:58:25
that's a i i that would be I I'm curious to like think of like did they do any like real life demonstration of like two
00:58:34
humans hugging yeah to try to make sure that that's even I didn't find anything to say that they did do that cuz that's
00:58:40
just like I'm even like looking at like a pillow and being like I couldn't I couldn't reach around but again I'm a 5
00:58:48
foot one woman and it's like so maybe he had a whole different stature like who knows
00:58:55
some people have really long arms and and it sounds like he was pretty tall Because the skeleton they were going to
00:58:59
bring in was not as tall as him and Nan had to be 543 lb to be a floor door dancer so
00:59:05
she's pretty petite so she's pretty petite I don't know so yeah think about hugging inces like when I hug you
00:59:12
honestly we should try to reenact we might be similar because if I hugged you I feel like I could get my arm all the
00:59:18
way around you and then like be able to point a gun at my chest yeah it's very interesting it's like yeah
00:59:25
the whole thing is very yeah it makes you just go huh it that's the thing and I think I mean
00:59:32
we'll see that the jury themselves each time was like this is interesting I know
00:59:37
because it's just like I have so many questions but like none of which I can answer or even like I have questions but
00:59:44
I'm like I know I can't get the answer to this no it is it is an interesting case weird so a little less than two
00:59:50
weeks into the trial the case looked like it was headed in n's favor actually because everybody again is having all
00:59:55
these reasonable doubts in addition to the testimony from those two eyewitnesses H Hazelton and Lor there
01:00:02
was testimony from the man who drove Nan's cab the evening before the shooting and he told the jury that
01:00:08
Caesar young quote was very much under the influence of liquor abused the girl who was accused of his murder and after
01:00:15
cursing her struck her and forced her crying into the C oh my God so they were like he was shitty wow and that was
01:00:23
because remember they had gone to dinner the night before his brother-in-law chaperoned and then they got into a cab
01:00:28
to leave and evidently according to this man at least was horrible to her it was
01:00:34
a bad situation but just when things seemed to be going well for the defense everything fell apart on November 27th
01:00:42
when one of the jurors had a stroke and was listed by his doctors as being in serious condition so because there was
01:00:49
no alternate juror in the case a mistrial was declared and a new trial was scheduled sched for early
01:00:56
December wow so she may have been on her way to winning this trial oh the momentum was totally broken and because
01:01:04
they didn't have an alternate juror they had no choice but to just redo everything yeah Nan spoke to the Press
01:01:11
immediately after telling them it is very hard I had helped choose that jury and felt confident of its fairness wow
01:01:18
dock that sucks so hard for her and then her statement about helping choose that
01:01:24
jury came back to haunt her because her second trial got underway on December 5th 1904 with the selection of a new
01:01:31
jury that's how it all started obviously and the process was immediately sensationalized by the Press because
01:01:38
most media Outlets were claiming that Nan was handpicking jurors since she had said like I helped pick the jury this
01:01:44
time they were like she's picking people based entirely on who would be most sympathetic in reality she had some
01:01:51
input but the jury selection was conducted as it always had been it was a collaborative process all the way
01:01:56
through yeah cuz that's wild to think of somebody having like like you like you can please but that didn't stop
01:02:04
reporters from claiming that Nan had deliberately selected a jury of exclusively quote unquote gray-haired
01:02:11
men the implication being they'd be swayed by her beauty and charm come on like really come on so again
01:02:19
sensationalized is it totally out of the realm of possibility no no cu fact but it's like but it didn't happen doesn't
01:02:26
make sense no and it did it's also like back then weren't they all juries of grayhair old men pretty much wasn't that
01:02:32
pretty much like the standard at point it was not a jury of your peers no that's the thing so I'm like I think she
01:02:37
probably knew that there was a certain an upper hand there of course no slim pickings yeah so jury selection was
01:02:46
completed on December 8th and this time they had the forethought to choose alternate jurors ah there you go I know
01:02:52
I'm like wait why would you not think that prepare I know since very little time had passed between the first and
01:02:57
second trial William Ran's opening statement remained more or less the same as it had when he gave it a month
01:03:03
earlier he said Nan was a quote vampire murderess and wrecker of homes damn murder us those are some giant labels
01:03:14
vampire a vampire like wow that came out of left field yep and he said Caesar had
01:03:19
bluntly in no uncertain terms explained he was leaving the relationship was over
01:03:24
was enraged by this rejection and the jealousy of Caesar's wife so she shot him with the revolver that was purchased
01:03:30
at the pawn shop by her sister and her brother-in-law the previous evening damn wow so one of the first Witnesses called
01:03:37
was a man named Frederick Michaels who was the cab driver who drove Nan and Caesar's cab that morning in his
01:03:44
previous testimony he told the jury due to his position behind the cab he didn't
01:03:48
see anything that happened and this time he reiterated his story in surprisingly
01:03:52
less detail than the previous month which caused a lot of people in the courtroom to speculate that he had
01:03:58
suffered some kind of memory loss since his last court appearance mhm actually he um after he'd been questioned by the
01:04:04
defense and prosecution one of the jurors chimed in him was like do you think you can remember where you were
01:04:10
born because he seemed that confused wow and he paused for a moment and then said
01:04:15
in New York but he he's like you know what he did have to think about it now so that was interesting people were a
01:04:21
little bit confused about that and a few days into the trial assistant DA Rand caused a whole lter in the courtroom
01:04:28
when during his questioning of Captain Sweeney he attempted without any evidence to establish Nan's sister and
01:04:35
her husband as co-conspirators in the shooting wow he implied that the Smiths were fugitives in that they had failed
01:04:41
to appear in court for questioning with the implication being that if the Smiths
01:04:46
were innocent and played no role in the death why would they have fled because they couldn't be located at that point
01:04:51
and it's like they didn't flee it's like you can't just introduce that to the like yeah you can't just say they fled
01:04:57
without any proof that they fled or were just gone no there was none and before Sweeney Captain Sweeney who was on the
01:05:03
stand at that point could respond Abe Levy the defense attorney objected and the jury was excused while both sides
01:05:10
made their arguments and tried to figure this whole thing out Levy correctly pointed out that there was no evidence
01:05:16
of the Smiths having been served a warrant or a subpoena Jes so they were free to move about the country in any
01:05:21
way they pleased wow this is so messy it's insane and other than their relationship to Nan there was still no
01:05:27
evidence that they were in any way connected to the shooting like the pawn breaker himself said like no I don't
01:05:33
recognize those people yeah so what are we doing here but the da or the assistant DA Rand responded saying
01:05:38
evidence has been introduced to show Smith and his wife were with the defendant engaged an Earnest
01:05:43
conversation before she met Caesar Young on the night preceding the murder and it's like that's cool all you're saying
01:05:52
is she saw her sister sister and brother-in-law the night before the murder and they had a conversation and
01:05:58
it's like it's these aren't that would even not really work with even if it was like a friend of hers you know like yeah
01:06:04
you can see your friends the night before something happens and that doesn't mean that that person's involved
01:06:08
but it's her sister yeah who it sounds like she's pretty close with she lived with her I at this point was living with
01:06:14
her so it's like she saw the person that is closest to her that she lives with the night before so they must be inv
01:06:19
it's like I don't know about that exactly so it was clear to ran or excuse me it was clear that Rand was doing his
01:06:25
best to obscure facts here and try to strengthen his case but fortunately the judge agreed with the defense and
01:06:31
refused to allow Rand to go any further with his line of questioning after doing
01:06:35
that so he kind of [ __ ] himself there damn I mean like you shouldn't be able to lie like that so I'm glad but things
01:06:42
got worse for him later that afternoon when the pawn broker Heyman Stern ended up taking the stand he had recovered now
01:06:50
as we know the prosecution had really been amping up his testimony and being like this is going to be like
01:06:56
the the the ticket to Prosecuting her or to to getting a guilty here they were making it seem like the whole this whole
01:07:03
thing could be done with his testimony now when he was finally on the stand their assertions of a conspiracy
01:07:10
were quickly falling apart Not only was the jury informed that he had failed to identify Smith or his wife in the photos
01:07:17
but now he was even more vague the New York Times reported that Stern quote recalled the sale of the pistol but
01:07:23
could give no no adequate description of the parties who made the purchase so he could even remember them
01:07:29
I was just going to say so he yeah and previously he had looked at a photo of the Smiths and was like no it like no I
01:07:34
don't recognize and now he's like I don't even remember at this point oh [ __ ] this is bad that is not helpful at
01:07:40
all so Ran's attempts to enter into uh into the evidence the supposedly threatening letters sent to Caesar by
01:07:46
Nan's sister were equally unsuccessful so he is just doing a [ __ ] nose time at this point like the questions
01:07:53
directed to D Sweeney Rand hoped the letters would imply guilt on the part of the Smiths and establish them as
01:07:59
co-conspirators but defense attorney Levy successfully objected arguing that the letters were not written by the
01:08:05
defendant and had no bearing on the case oh damn and he would that was yeah so on
01:08:11
December 19th as the case neared its end Nan actually took the tri or took the stand for the first time to testify in
01:08:17
her own defense in addition to proving several details about her own life which basically included her Liv time as a
01:08:24
floradora girl her teenage marriage they were asking her very pointed questions and then she got into her relationship
01:08:31
with Caesar and she said Caesar had instructed her to uh pretend to agree to the breakup when in front of family and
01:08:38
friends saying he told me to say I was willing to go away but that was all a bluff that he didn't want me to go away
01:08:45
at all it was necessary for me to say I was going away he explained for Mrs Young's peace of mind oh my so she's
01:08:52
saying you may have seen like this whole argument and [ __ ] like that the night
01:08:56
before but I was never going anywhere wow which like this is all veryy man that's not like this is very icky now
01:09:05
during her testimony she contradicted most of the assertions made by Rand and the District Attorney's office she said
01:09:12
this actually was not going to be the end of her relationship at all and that Caesar was going to send for her once
01:09:16
he'd settled in Europe and then she said she had no idea that her sister had written any letters to Caesar and she
01:09:22
definitely didn't tell her to and most importantly she said I was not in the pawn shop the night before the
01:09:28
shooting and I did not ask my sister or my brother-in-law to purchase any gun for me I didn't need one oh man then she
01:09:36
explained to the jury that on the morning of the shooting Caesar had picked her up at her hotel she agreed to
01:09:41
go with him but she actually had no idea where they were going and she said Caesar was disappointed at having to
01:09:46
leave her but insisted that she would join him quote after things had quieted down and Miss Young had forgotten me and
01:09:53
then Nan told Caesar she still loved him but she didn't think she could uproot her life and leave to Europe and at that
01:10:00
point Caesar got irrationally upset and she said he asked do you really mean that Nan I've lost a lot of money and
01:10:06
now I'm going to lose my girl oh boy and she said after Caesar pushed back she relented and agreed to join him in
01:10:14
Europe a short time later but then she said he grabbed me and pressed me to him with such force that it hurt me badly as
01:10:21
I did so I heard a muffled report and he fell forward in my lap I saw no pistol he half rose again and I began to scold
01:10:29
him not realizing what what had happened then he fell forward again and I couldn't attract his
01:10:35
attention what the [ __ ] that's what I wanted to hear was exactly how this went
01:10:39
down and I'm even more confused now that's the thing so basically she's saying the whole plan was that I was
01:10:45
going to join him in Europe he picked me up the next morning I didn't know where
01:10:49
we were going I kind of thought we were just meeting one last time and then I told him I don't know if I can uproot my
01:10:55
whole entire life and go to Europe we fought a little a little bit about it I relented and then he shot
01:11:02
himself okay which is a little confusing because if she if she like relented and
01:11:07
was like okay I'll go and then he shot himself that that doesn't make a lot of sense but he's drunk so maybe he
01:11:14
misheard her and still thought she wasn't into this whole idea yeah or maybe didn't believe her when she was
01:11:20
like no never mind I'll go with you yeah maybe and he's about to leave even go to
01:11:24
Europe yeah I'm very confused I am there's not one part of me that knows what happened here can tell you that
01:11:32
nobody nobody knows so certainly not me no so Nan's accounts of the events before and after Caesar shooting they
01:11:40
had remained consistent from the moment she was arrested but this was the first time most people heard this version of
01:11:46
the story because the Press had always presented the death as either a murder or or a suicide and the prosecution had
01:11:53
always maintained ained their belief that there was no way it was anything but murder mhm and in the Press Nan was
01:11:58
presented as this low class home wrecker whose immoral Behavior had either directly or indirectly caused the death
01:12:03
of a man she claimed to love but frankly no one ever considered the death could be an accident because they just looked
01:12:10
at Nan and saw what they wanted to see that's very true and now she's sitting here saying maybe it was an accident
01:12:16
like I don't know and that's I'm like was he trying to shoot her maybe in like a you maybe trying to
01:12:26
shoot her in the back I don't know I'm not going to Lodge that allegation Adam but I'm just saying like this it's just
01:12:34
a question there's a gun yeah a gun went off in there and he's ups there's three
01:12:39
possibilities they had a fight yeah it's either there was going to be a murder suicide situation
01:12:46
mhm uh that he did it to himself via that hug or she did it to him him yeah cuz I Tru I don't think it would
01:12:57
have just been that he would shoot her and then move on with his life I think if if that was the case that it was
01:13:03
supposed to be then it would be a a murder suicide situation that is what it sounds like yeah do you think possibly
01:13:09
he was trying to shoot her and like thought the bullet would go through her and into him because they were hugging
01:13:15
that would be pretty risky yeah I don't know there's like this is just such a confusing a tiny space yeah two people
01:13:25
and a gun that's the thing because nobody like these people can claim they saw it
01:13:31
and space exactly and it's small like there's not a lot of room in here it's not like somebody stood somewhere we can
01:13:38
get a trajectory that way like this is a very confusing situation and a very confusing spot to be shot in yeah too
01:13:46
cuz it's not like you know I mean it's graphic but it's not like it's in the head or the mouth or something like that
01:13:53
that you would expect yeah below the shoulder cuz that's not even a real Surefire thing no and what if it failed
01:14:02
what are you doing now who knows maybe he wasn't aiming for that specific area because remember he's drunk yeah I don't
01:14:08
know it's just this is bizarre knows this is very bizarre it is so in assistant DA uh Ran's closing arguments
01:14:17
he told the jury I give her credit for all her cleverness and I Accord my recognition to the people who got up to
01:14:22
the story she told but actress as she is actress as she is Stony hearted cruel avenging adventurous I say to you that
01:14:30
the tale she would have you all believe would not carry conviction in the mind of a child wow he was very theatrical
01:14:40
thecal dad so after 11 hours of deliberation in the second trial now the jury Foreman reported to the judge that
01:14:48
they were hopelessly deadlocked with 10 in favor of a quid and just two in favor
01:14:53
of conviction honestly it makes sense to me that there would be so confusing I have no idea what happened in that car
01:15:00
and I could not tell you either way nobody does and that's I mean that's a lot of responsibility too to be like I
01:15:05
think we should have quit her but [ __ ] what if she did do this that's the thing
01:15:08
or I think we should convict her but [ __ ] what if she didn't do this so the judge in the case Vernon Davis reminded
01:15:15
the jury of their Duty and asked that they return to deliberation and try again but they returned a little over an
01:15:20
hour later saying they had deadlocked and so and now they saw no way forward Dam and after talking with the jury
01:15:27
Foreman judge Davis returned to the bench and told the assembled crowd quote I have been informed that the jury stood
01:15:33
for six for acquit and six for conviction wow now under those circumstances he had no choice but to
01:15:39
declare a mistrial and once that was declared Rand went out and very publicly declared his intent to Pro proceed with
01:15:46
a third trial jeez so this is wild it's just so long and it's like it gets more confusing as we go every single time
01:15:55
we're not clearing a damn thing up as we go through these trials and we won't no
01:16:00
so unlike the brief period between the first and second trials there was an almost four-month gap between the second
01:16:06
and third trial during which William Jerome and the District Attorney's office did literally everything they
01:16:12
could do to continue pushing Nan's guilt in the Press they really used the press
01:16:16
to their advantage here just one day after the second mistrial Christmas Day Randon Jerome called a press uh press
01:16:23
conference to announce their intention to pursue the third trial and despite proving herself no Flight Risk or
01:16:29
potential threat to the community Jerome told reporters under the circumstances I
01:16:33
will oppose to the release of Nan Patterson on bail in any amount which um that was a move he would he hoped would
01:16:39
emphasize her gu course like she hasn't done anything she's just been sitting in
01:16:43
jail and you're not like come on now when the final trial did finally begin on April 18th 1905 Randon the District
01:16:52
Attorney's Office were were pushing for a jury of all married men thinking they would be less inclined to be swayed by
01:16:58
Nan's charm and beauty and in the time between the second and third trials The Smiths Nan's sister and brother-in-law
01:17:04
had actually filed suit against Jerome in the district attorney's office alleging SL uh slander and harassment
01:17:11
whoa and noting that on the advice of their attorney they stayed away from the case altogether they' never actually
01:17:17
been subpoena for anything and their attorney was like just don't touch that with a 10- foot pole damn I blame them
01:17:23
now in addition to that Rand claimed to have come into possession of these letters sent by The Smiths to Caesar
01:17:29
young but refused to produce them in court or hand them over to the Smith's lawyer which is literally just another
01:17:35
example of him having no real evidence in a crime but making vague and dramatic Illusions to the Press yeah and it's
01:17:41
like you're sitting there in a legit court case under oath saying you have these letters but no one has seen them
01:17:47
that's and it's like Just Produce them man yeah produce them if you have them you don't have them exactly so now that
01:17:52
is a whole separate piece and while the Smith's lawyers argued with the District
01:17:56
Attorney's Office Nan's criminal trial proceeded as expected in most ways the third trial was exactly like the other
01:18:03
two same Witnesses giving the same testimony but this time the defense had committed more time to the analysis of
01:18:09
the coroner's report and produced their own expert witness who claimed to the jury that the that the trajectory of the
01:18:16
bullet entering under the left shoulder at a downward tra trajectory God would have been
01:18:23
consistent with Nan's story of an accidental shooting and similarly the coroner reported that while they found
01:18:30
no Powder marks on Nan's fingers after the shooting they did find powder on Caesar's fingers indicating that he held
01:18:38
the gun when it went off and that that's pretty that's telling yeah like there was no powder on her hands she I don't
01:18:47
think she shot that gun yeah I don't I really don't and it's like how would she have gotten gunpowder residue off her
01:18:56
hands this is in the 1800s was she wearing gloves she's a fancy girl that's true
01:19:04
fancy girls wore gloves back then little little delicate gloves so I don't I don't know anything about that to be
01:19:09
honest but I do feel like the prosecution's office would have argued that if they could have that's true you
01:19:15
know like they would have been like well she was wearing gloves of course I mean
01:19:17
they were going for anything and everything that's true so I don't know I mean it's possible but I feel like they
01:19:24
the the defense wouldn't wouldn't sit there and be like there was nothing on her hands with the chance that she was
01:19:30
wearing gloves that then they you know unless this is like a dirty situation and they made sure those gloves were
01:19:35
nowhere to be found which it could be absolutely and it's like then the prosecution can't say she was wearing
01:19:40
gloves if they don't have gloves to say that she was that's true the only thing they should have done was talk to the
01:19:46
driver and be like did you see her wearing gloves mhm yeah because why wouldn't anyone bring that up even just
01:19:51
to throw it in the minds to the jury yeah that maybe there was gloves involved but we didn't find any but you
01:19:56
never know she was taken really quickly to the police station so but that gun went off they she still like it wasn't
01:20:05
like the police literally emerged onto this like converged onto the place the second the
01:20:11
gun went off like she could have stashed it but remember they said her fingerprints could have been on the gun
01:20:16
so I don't think she was wearing gloves they said her she picked up the gun unless she took the gloves off and
01:20:21
picked up the gun and put it back yeah who knows I don't I'm just saying there's like a possibility it is a
01:20:29
possib she wearing gloves another reason or a handkerchief fancy handkerchief that she
01:20:35
had in her hand but then why would his fingers also have gunpowder residue on maybe it was his
01:20:41
gun no he had gunpowder residue like on his hands maybe yeah that's true I don't know I don't think she shot
01:20:50
it this doesn't I was trying to figure out a some way for it to work glad to me that's pretty like open and shut then
01:20:56
that he shot the gun yeah I mean like I just tried there's no real way to you can explain that maybe she could have
01:21:04
and like you can explain why she doesn't have the residue on her hands technically if you wanted to get like
01:21:09
wild with it like I just did but you can't explain why he does exactly without saying he shot the gun that was
01:21:15
fun though that was a nice little exercise we just did interesting that was yeah I know I don't know I don't
01:21:20
know so that's what that's what the defense was doing they were like he's got gun they're being like this is open
01:21:26
shut he has gunpowder residue she doesn't yeah but on the other side of things still convinced that the pawn
01:21:32
broker there was the key to a conviction God this guy already said I don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] poor guy just keeps
01:21:38
getting called because ran called him again to the stand to testify uh and he wanted him to identify the Smiths as the
01:21:44
buyer of the gun but when the time came and Rand asked Stern whether he could identify the Smiths as the as the buyers
01:21:51
the pawn Brer said no sir I cannot now Rand clearly expected a different answer and was stunned by Stern's statement and
01:21:59
asked several more times if he was sure and each time he was given the same response nope I cannot identify the
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Smiths or Nan Patterson as the individual who purchased the gun please don't subpoena me again I'm busy I don't
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know [ __ ] about [ __ ] I have a pawn shop to run it's also a pawn shop broker I'm
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sure he's like leave me out of this [ __ ] yeah like I'm good even if I remember
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something I don't remember something exactly so on May 3rd 1905 the jury adjourned
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for deliberation and much like the previous trial they emerged at 2:30 a.m. to report that they were deadlocked oh
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my God the court record stressed to the foreman that after three trials and considerable effort there was a lot
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riding on a unanimous verdict either guilty or Innocent but like [ __ ] it out but the foreman insisted there was
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no hope and a short time later all of the relevant parties were brought back into the courtroom where the foreman was
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formally asked whether the jury had reached a verdict and he said we have not oh my Lord I am convinced that there
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is no hope of an agreement no I am also convinced of that and with that a third mistrial was declared but this time even
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uh assistant district attorney there Rand admitted a fourth trial was highly unlikely oh so on May 12th 1905 after
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three exhausting trials Nan Patterson was released from the tombs and allowed to leave New York a free woman which she
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had spent over a year in jail close to two and despite having essentially lost the case William Jerome the district
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attorney held a press conference in an attempt to save face he told reporters there was unan I can never say that
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unanimity in the Jury Room on three points that J Morgan Smith bought the pistol from the pawn broker Stern that
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Nan Patterson took the pistol into the cab with her and that Caesar young did not commit suicide wow like that's not
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true because if there had been unanimous it you wouldn't be sitting here right now saying like shut up yeah so
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following the mistrial and her eventual release Nan returned to her parents home
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in Washington DC and in a wild [ __ ] Twist of events in September of 1905 she remarried her former husband Leon Gaines
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Martin shut the [ __ ] up and just faded out of the spotlight Into Obscurity what
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but not surprisingly the marriage did not last long even the second time around and they divorced with n getting
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married for a third time in 1910 this time to a man named captain sum uh suar Scott and they lived outside of Seattle
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until her death in 1947 at the age of 65 wow nobody knows whether or not she killed Cesar young except now that we've
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gone through this I kind of feel like she didn't I kind of feel like she didn't either because why would there be
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gun residue on his hands that's what I can't get past I can't get past that if neither one of them had it on their
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hands I'd be like all well some [ __ ] went down here and I'd be more likely to be like she might have worn gloves I
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think the thing is it's just like a very strange circum scenario yeah like you don't I I've never heard of
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another case like this and there's and it's there's like motive absolutely there's all the motive
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in the world I think that's where it gets shady and hairy is like you can sit there and go but you know what I like
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kind of make like I could see why like this motive is here but then you look at the the very few facts that's the other
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thing there's so little evidence here of anything and where you can say there's motive for murder you can also say
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there's motive for him to end his life he had just lost a ton of money according to Nana at least and he was
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losing his his side piece yeah and she wasn't willing to go to Europe with him and maybe he was knowing that you know
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he has [ __ ] over his wife so many times she's going to be it's going to be a tough road back to Redemption for him
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and he has to go to Europe and try to forget about and try to fix the relationship while trying to forget
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about the person that he is claiming he loves yeah so and then he was drunk yep what a strange [ __ ] tale what a
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tale and whatever happened here it's really sad thank you to Dave because Dave is the one that found this one so
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oh man it was interesting that's really wild yeah I'll be interested to see what
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people think one yeah I'm very interested to see my my feeling is that he shot that gun
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yeah but I can't tell you anything further than that I don't know I don't know how I the thing I I'm almost
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positive he shot that gun because of the gunpowder residue that's me too and I just don't know if he meant to kill
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himself or if he meant to kill Nan or if he meant to kill both of them I just don't know I don't know but what a story
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