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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena whoa and this is [Music] morbid do you ever I bet some people
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think that we hate each other based off of our like answers I just went wo like I was like okay calm
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down but really I was just like wow she's crazy oh they're definitely some people who think we hate each other
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should we tell them guys we actually hate each other like it's really hard to be around each other is I hate it every
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day the worst it's terrible Did I Even Say in this is morbid yet yeah okay that's good so we're here we're here we
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love each other it's true in fact I just said hey I did something crazy and she said what and I said I ordered a bunch
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of pumpkin Bagels on a whim that are coming tomorrow and she said that's not crazy at all I'm excited about that and
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I was like that's why you're my people that's not crazy in any way yeah you were like that's not crazy at all
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especially based off the things that I impulse purchase when I show you my impulse purchases you go that's
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literally insane insane mine aren't Bagels yeah mine are just like look at these Bagels that look like a pumpkin I
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don't have kids so I just be buying myself doing cool [ __ ] I'm so excited to put those bagels in the girls lunches
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I'm so excited to put one of those Bagels into my face hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah
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brother well it's morbid we're reunited we're in person I'm not Coy anymore you're not Coy anymore yeah I'm negative
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I'm still I still got that like lingering cough which is very annoying I never [ __ ] got one I did wake up this
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morning though I also tested negative finally which is great um and I woke up this morning and I was like sneezing a
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lot that could be alleries uh cuz everything's kind of like moving around now with the rain and stuff you know
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what's so weird like you're you're just like laying in your bed and then you wake up with allergies like did the
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allergies come in my room do you know what I mean like I don't really get it did they make an appointment and I
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didn't write it down like I don't sleep with my windows open so how did the allergies get in I think your body is
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just like it's allergy out there maybe that's got to be it I think that's that's the scientific reason for
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it I would love if I asked my doctor and he just said well your body is just allergies out there my specific doctor
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too to just say that I feel like my doctor might say that honestly I also which I appreciate we don't have this no
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uh like anyway no communicate it was just like no no no we don't have the same doctor but we do go to the same
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mine I think would mine also would yeah maybe it's like a practice wide thing yeah I like that all right well that's
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doctors that's allergies and my abysmal understanding of them and on to the episode because it's spooky season y'all
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spooky season spooky season but I feel like we kind of like made this a theme that we're also doing like I feel like a
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lot of times we go like full spooky which is like super fun yeah but without even meaning to we've intertwined True
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Crime into this spooky season yeah it's definitely become like a more like um Mish mashed one which I like yeah it's a
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lot we we've touched upon a lot of different things got some like spooky we did some spooky
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cemeteries and like spooky hotels which is fun we've done some haunting some you
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know fake haunting some true crime that caused the fake haunting yeah you know so we're actually in a place of like
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True Crime causing the fake question mark haunting this is a place that like honestly I'll be quite Frank and open
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with you at the beginning most of this is just True Crime um and the end is like a little bit haunted but there's
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debate over how haunted it truly is ooh so we're going to be talking unfortunately about the murder of
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Preston myrr but also the Boise murder Mansion ooh so a little after midnight on June 30th 1987 so not too far back
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guys no I was born I was not so there's I wasn't even a star in the sky um but you were I was you were out of the sky
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yeah I mean I was only like two but still that's I was here that's kicking you might have been able to walk yeah I
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mean I hope so by then I don't Milestones I'm not there yet okay but anyway I was like maybe I hope I don't
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know I don't know how any of that works but uh a little after midnight on June 30th 1987 when Elena knew how to walk
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yes Clinton Clinton Sparks was woken from sleep by what sounded like somebody running down the street and shouting out
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of outside of his window no I just go back to sleep no no that's exactly what we tell people not to do I know but it's
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so scary it is so scary the noise was loud enough to disturb his who started barking uncontrollably at
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the noise outside so that's when you really can't go back to sleep no you can't so Clinton got out of his bed to
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investigate the noise and he looked out his front window where he saw quote two figures running toward the door a moment
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later one of the figures had reached his front steps and was banging on the front
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door frantically Clinton later said I didn't know what was happening I didn't hear voices at that time so completely
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[ __ ] terrified he backed away from the door and at that very moment he heard a man voice shout let go of me let
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go of me oh and to him the voice sounded desperate sounded terrified he said it sounded like someone who was in a lot of
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pain oh so after hesitating for like a minute or two cuz you know you got to be oh well I would not know what the [ __ ]
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to do in that situ I'd be calling the police that's the only thing I would know how to do that's the thing like
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immediately all you like all you need to do in that situ situation is call the police you don't have to open your door
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but because this is 1987 it's not like he has a cell phone on him where he can just quickly call no he's got his
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landline like yeah so he opened the door and he saw what appeared to be a large smear of blood on his storm door and he
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said he could still hear yelling from somewhere outside but by then whoever had been at the door was gone so he was
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like what the [ __ ] do I do and I think he probably was sitting remember this is
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like the middle of the night so he's like yeah did this just happen like what the [ __ ] he's very like shaken here damn
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what a [ __ ] badass that he opened that door like I'm s not everybody would no I don't know that and honestly it
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would be very dangerous to if you you know what I mean like it sounds like there's multiple people out there oh
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knowing what we know I think it's a good it's not a good thing that he didn't open the door but I think it it could
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have gotten a lot worse yes exactly yeah so after waiting about 10 minutes he called 911 to report what he believed
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was a violent altercation of some kind and he said I'm pretty sure there's somebody out there in need of assistance
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like somebody's bleeding and screaming so he told the dispatcher a couple of guys came up and beat on the door I went
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outside and looked and there's some blood on the door it looks like and he said he couldn't see anybody in the
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street at that time like when he was calling but he said it appeared as though quote some things going on in the
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house across the street and when the dispatcher asked what Clinton wanted them to do for him he was like well I'd
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like an officer to come check out the neighborhood to look around I'd be so irritated I'd be like what the [ __ ] do
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you think I want you to do I want you to write me a high coup about it the [ __ ]
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do you think I want you to do that's the you're the godamn emergency Services come emergency serve please like I just
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told you I heard yelling and there's blood and somebody in need of help and you're like well what do you want me to
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do I'm like your job just I want you to tell me what you think of the new Terminator movie could you tell me a
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nighttime lullabi who are you not somebody smart no so he was like can you send somebody out to have a look around
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and he gave the address in the cross street and then was like okay like hope you're coming goodbye now that same
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evening a fire had broken out at a house across town and the dispatcher decided that emergency should be given a higher
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priority the fire than the disturbance so Clinton's call wasn't even flagged as an emergency wow which is very that's
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wild crazy like I understand that a fire is like happening right now yeah so like
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that's you got to triage those things but it's like this is still a big deal someone's bleeding outside well that's
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the you you do have to um triage them to like some level of importance and if somebody's bleeding I think that would
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be like high on the list I would think so strangely enough though uh the call wasn't dispatched to an officer until 48
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minutes after the call was placed awesome at that time the officer who was assigned to the call was busy and asked
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that it be reassigned but for whatever reason the dispatcher never sent the call to another officer what the [ __ ] it
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was like a huge [ __ ] up yeah so the next day another resident in the neighborhood
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called the police to report what they believed was a large amount of blood in the street okay so much so that quote
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someone or something could have bled enough to have died they said what the [ __ ] so at that point officers finally
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got around to investigating the front door of Clinton Sparks home where they did indeed find a bloody handprint
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Sergeant Jim tibs told a reporter it appeared like he had a whole handful of blood so there was like a straight up
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bloody handprint on Clinton's door oh yeah and Clinton's house wasn't the only one police also found a bloody handprint
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on uh bloody handprints excuse me on the Windows of another nearby home like multiple my goodness so they were able
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to follow a literal blood trail from the large pool in the street all the way to
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the front door of 805 West Linden Street the home of Daniel and Katherine Rogers
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the couple told the investigating officers that they actually weren't home the night before and they didn't know
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anything about the blood or the supposed fight that happened in the street uh but
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when officers returned with a warrant a short time later they discovered that the blood trail LED inside the house and
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continued down into the basement where they discovered more than 13 pounds of marijuana scales and packaging material
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oh oops Yeah so Daniel and Katherine Rogers were um immediately arrested yeah uh and that they got arrested at that
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point on charges of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute and the house was corded off
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for further investigation cuz were they just like hanging they were just in that
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house with that blood trail going through it yes just like stepping over it when they had to get to the kitchen
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for a snack like what do you what I guess they just hadn't cleaned up and then the cops come and they're like oh
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it's fine this is we shouldn't clean this up I think yeah no no this is not like I'm glad that they didn't yeah
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obviously but like when also the cops come and remember 1987 weed was not legal so you have 13 lbs of weed in your
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basement I don't know maybe clean up maybe just like you know yeah maybe do anything literally anything but again
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glad they did it so as they continued searching the Rogers home investigators found a
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significant amount of blood spatter on multiple surfaces throughout the house obviously indicating that something
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pretty violent had happened there and that they are not good clean people no no even though there wasn't any victim
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found in the home and no wounded victim had reported to area hospitals tibs told
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a reporter we're safe to say that it was human blood now during their canvas of the neighborhood one neighbor told
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officers that she actually saw Daniel Rogers hosing down the front porch of the house that morning as well as the
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yard and sidewalk in front of the house so he cleaned the outside of the home but not the Inn H uh in further
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searching of the home/ crime scene at this point crime scene technicians discovered a handgun and bullet
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fragments lodged in the wall by the front door one in the laundry room and one in the door frame leading to the
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basement so like multiple bullets just bullet fragments just lodged into various places in the this home that's
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probably fine yeah totally we don't have to worry now given the large amount of blood found inside and outside of the
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home investigators started to theorized that the house had uh probably been the sight of a murder yeah likely mhm but
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unfortunately without a victim they weren't able to charge the couple with anything other than the possession
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charges that's so [ __ ] up but under the circumstances a judge set their bond at an unusually high amount of
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$250,000 each so it was going to be very like unlikely that they'd be released now the next day two 13-year-old boys
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were fishing on the banks of Boise Snake River when one of their fishing lines got caught on two plastic bags floating
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in the river and the boys hauled in the bags and when they opened them they discovered the arms and fingers of a man
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that police would later identify as 21-year-old Preston myrr holy [ __ ] two 13-year-olds finding that gruesome of a
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[ __ ] Discovery like God and 21 and 21 years old and that's just his arms and fingers so where's the rest of him what
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happened here well the next day Carl kitchen was fishing with his family when he spotted several objects floating in
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the brownley reservoir when he managed to bring the bags to shore he opened them to discover more body parts later
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determined to belong to Preston myrr kitchen later told a jury I saw it had to be a piece of a human body from above
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the navl to just below the leg joints oh my God yeah investigators would eventually find 13 garbage bags in total
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all containing Preston M's remains wow now Preston myrr was like a petty Criminal Who had spent his short life in
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and around Idaho Falls Idaho and he'd been arrested on a handful of times for minor offenses just like disturbing the
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peace he wasn't a violent guy yeah but just a few days earlier on June 29th he had attended a funeral for a friend and
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during the funeral several attendees including Daniel Rogers had gotten drunk and gotten into an argument that quickly
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did escalate into a physical altercation so the police were called to this funeral and Preston myrr and the other
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men were given a citation and asked to leave so Preston went back to his sister's apartment where he was staying
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and he called the police to inform them that after he left the funeral somebody called his sister's apartment and
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threatened to kill him whoa now according to his sister Tonda streer Preston drank and smoked pot
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recreationally but as far as she knew he wasn't involved in any major criminal activity she told reporter she didn't
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know anybody who would want to kill him yeah so when investigators put all the pieces together a picture of what had
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actually happened to Preston M started to emerge with Daniel and Katherine Rogers at the very center of it all by
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the end of the week Katherine had been ruled out as a participant in the murder but detectives had identified Daniel
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Rogers accomplice 31-year-old Darren Cox both men were charged with the murder of
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Preston myrr and Cox ended up being held without bail so the more detectives learned or looked into Dan Rogers
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background the more they became convinced that he was the primary shooter in the death of Preston myr
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really he had a pretty violent past uh he dropped out of high school in the ninth grade and spent most of his life
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just working menial jobs he met his first wife Kay at one of those jobs and they quickly got engaged and married
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later kay would tell a reporter that she never actually loved Daniel but she saw
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him as her ticket out of her own abusive family oh that's sad would it's even sadder because he was just as abusive
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turn her her dad was like really really AB abusive I read um one of the newspaper clippings that Dave found I
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was reading and their dad used to like wake them up in the middle of the night and sit them on the couch and like hold
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them at gunpoint like she grew up in an incredibly abusive home oh that makes me
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so sad yeah it's horrific so then she married Daniel and he was just as bad oh that happens so often yeah it's it's
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hard the cycle repeats cuz it's like you don't know anything else that's all you
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know so you don't know that you think love is and that's what you think you deserve exactly but so they moved around
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for a while from state to state across the South mostly uh they had their first son together and then Daniel just
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suddenly ran off one day with the neighbor's wife damn Daniel back at it again with the
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neighbor's wife like holy [ __ ] yeah and then he just came back but honestly I'm
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glad oh he came back no yeah I was G to say I was like he's gone bye no Daniel never goes away I wanted K to be free he
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just showed up one day like came back and begged Kay to take him back and she was like no you're a piece of [ __ ] so he
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kidnapped their six-month-old son essentially holding the baby as hostage until she agreed to take him back [ __ ]
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this guy yeah he's a piece of [ __ ] I know and she has her own issues too which is sad but she the good news is it
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really sounds like she turned her life around good job Kay yeah so in 1975 Daniel and Kay's relationship came to an
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end when he ended turning her into the police in order to avoid being arrested himself for a robbery that they
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committed together in South Carolina they had committed a couple robberies and Kay had committed other robberies
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herself in the past with various accomplices uh even without Daniel so she ended up when he turned her in she
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ended up being sentenced to 12 years in prison holy [ __ ] yeah cuz these were like armed robberies too damn um at that
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point Daniel was awarded temporary custody of their two kids at this point oh God and then this is insane 2 years
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later the day the very day that he was awarded permanent custody of his two kids he was arrested after shooting and
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killing his friend George weather ax during an argument he shot his friend in the head during an argument my God the
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very day that he was awarded custody of his two children like Perman why was he not put away forever I don't know like
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this man is a problem for some reason it was only second degree murder that he got convicted for so so he only served 5
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years in prison for this oh my God yeah when he was released in 1982 he married Catherine and moved to Boise with his
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new wife and two children still and a few years later he just decided that he was tired of fatherhood so he called Kay
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and told her to come get the kids and take them for good so she was like okay I can't understand these people mhm
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luckily Kay it sounds like she like got married I think she became like a real estate agent like a very successful real
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estate agent okay K and she like she got the kids together like everything was good okay K yeah happy for K since
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paling the kids off on his ex-wife Daniel and Katherine his new wife had been earning a living selling drugs
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primarily cocaine and weed um and through the checks that they they also got an an earning through the checks
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that they received from the state for foster care services no I'm sorry what wait they
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were Foster somehow they were involved in like foster care y I don't know how as a
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convicted second deegree murderer I'm very confused I don't know if they just used Catherine's credentials but I'm
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assuming my God you check into both credentials you should right yeah speaking of foster parents and I'll say
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like no this is I'm going to flip it on it head okay good good because that just
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made me really sad that they were Foster these poor kids are going to that home yeah but I can tell you like there's a
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foster parent that I follow is the lady on Tik Tok I love her and she so I think
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her thing is them hofers cuz their last name was Hofer I think we've talked about them hofers before I think we have
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and she they she and her husband are like incredible just if you believe in angels
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on they're angels on earth like I'm fully am like you are supposed to be here for these kids yes um her name is
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Cindy and they are just like the kindest seeming people theyab they take newborns like she has taken newborns
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that are literally like hours old like literally hours old but she is like and she treats them like like you would
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treat your own newborn and it's just like she uh and she like never shows their faces like she respects their
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privacy even as newborns you know what I mean like no matter what and I think they um she also has a podcast oh does
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she and it's called Mom's the Word Mom's the Word and it's a podcast with her friend oh I want to listen to this yeah
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so it's called Mom's the Word I want to start listening to it because I just like and you can follow like her on
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Instagram or um on Tik Tok I think it's them hofers is their thing and you can donate too like I think I think she has
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like a link tree and you can donate so that Amazon things to like just help with because she's always like stocking
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up on things cuz she takes kids at like B at like a moment notice and at every age MH so she's got kind of a stockpile
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of supplies to be ready for whatever which obviously she needs to replenish every now and again and I came across
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her for the first time when I saw like I was just flicking through my for you page and it was a her before she was
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about to receive a newborn infant in the middle of the night and I just like couldn't stop watching her cuz I was
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just like oh my God like and she was just like so lovely probably like a year or so ago yeah I remember think yeah but
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yeah so that that just bummed me out so much that I was like I need a happy like
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there's good people there's so many good foster parents like so many good ones hope that like they were good to the
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kids I hope so I I didn't find anything to say that they W but I don't know but their their contract with Idaho Health
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and Welfare ran out in uh June of 1987 so something happened where or they maybe they were like hey we missed that
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one of you as a convicted murderer so but yeah now going back to the unfortunate murder of Preston myrr given
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the state of his Remains the autopsy obviously took more than 10 hours to oh my God I can't even fathom what that
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room looked like according to the medical examiner Preston M's cause of death was a single gunshot wound to his
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head from a 357 caliber handgun but the doctor noted that Preston had sustained additional gunshot wounds including one
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in his shoulder but because of the condition of the remains and the amount of time that they'd been submerged in
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water also it was difficult to determine if there was any other significant trauma to the body but they were able to
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say that there was two gunshots now although investigators were fairly certain that Daniel Rogers had committed
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the murder it wasn't until they interviewed Preston's girlfriend that the rest of the puzzle kind of came
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together according to his girlfriend after threat the threatening phone call that he got at his sister's apartment he
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called Daniel Rogers and Darren Cox who like seemed to be at the I don't know if
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they were like friends friends but they seemed to be like they around acquaintances very least you know like
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they know each other uhhuh and he believed they would know who threatened him and what he should do about it and
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obviously felt like safe going to them so they met at a local convenience store where the cashier recalled seeing
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Preston use the pay phone while holding a wooden baseball bat uh the three men then returned to Preston's sister's
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apartment and discussed the fact that several guns had been stolen from Daniel Rogers house I think there was like a
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lot of crime going on in this circle obviously so Preston told Daniel that he knew where they might be where those
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stolen guns might be and after all after that all three of them drove around Boise for hours looking for the house
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where Preston thought the weapons would be but they just couldn't find it so he called his girlfriend and he said they
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were going back to Daniel Rogers house on Lynden Street M now investigators theorize that a little after midnight
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Preston and Daniel got into some kind of argument where Preston was shot in the shoulder and then as he attempted to
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flee the house he went to Clinton Spark's door where he left that Bloody handprint
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but unfortunately Daniel and darring caught up with him and dragged him back to the house leaving that long trail of
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blood in the street that holy [ __ ] as you remember LED right to Daniel Rogers door and once they got him back inside
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they believed Daniel Rogers shot mer in the back of the head and then he and Darren dismembered Preston's body and
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they placed his remains in 13 trash bags which they then dumped in three different locations across Boise after
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they disposed of their remains they went back to the house and attempted to clean up the crime scene
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yeah I think outside like they hos down some stuff outside really lazy business I don't know what they did inside maybe
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they were very tired after the outside yeah but that accounted for the neighbor witnessing Daniel hosing his car the
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yard in the front porch so in Late July the Ada County Prosecutor Greg Bower which I feel like we've encountered
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another case with him it sounded like a very familiar name GRE B Greg bow yeah but um Greg Bower filed an additional
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charge of assault against Daniel Rogers for his role in yet another violent crime the beating of a man named James
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McMillan which he had been accused of committing along with his friend James Miller so they just they found that and
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added that charge too they were just like you know what you also did this yeah I think in like interviewing people
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in his life it probably came up and they were like let's pile these on exactly keep them in here as long as we can well
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I think they probably saw like Oh weird that he murdered a man his friend by shooting in the head and got out in five
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years so by the end of the month Daniel Rogers was arraigned on three separate charges one for the drug possession with
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intent to distribute one for the assault on Miller and one for the first degree murder of Preston myr and he pleaded not
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guilty on all counts at a preliminary hearing held in early September multiple people testified about what they
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witnessed on the night of Preston's murder including testimony from multiple detectives who relayed what Darren Cox
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had told them about the night of the murder cuz he sang like a canary yeah of course according to the uh to Boise
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detective Dave Smith when the upper torso was thrown in the river it started floating Cox was directed by Mr Rogers
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to retrieve it and take it to the Foothills detective Smith testified after his arrest Cox quote broke down
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and said he wanted to tell me the truth but then later became concerned about his confession detective Smith continued
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he was worried about what he told me worried about what was going to happen to him I mean as you should be yeah
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which it's like you should you should give up whatever information you have about somebody's murder should also be
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worried but now you got to be scared because now you're going to face the consequences and you're both going to go
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to prison together so good luck with that but according to Smith Darren Cox later LED investigators to a local
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dumpster where he disposed of Preston my's upper torso and multiple other items related to the murder detective
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Smith said the stench was very prevalent there was a lot of blood two shoes as well as gloves that had blood on them
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and further we found one sock so just like all his stuff just thrown in a dumpster with part of his torso the part
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of him and he's 21 years old that's a bab he has his whole life ahead of him uh Daniel Rogers lawyers Emil michan and
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John Adams objected to the inclusion of Cox's statements to the police but that was overruled by the judge who was like
00:27:13
no I'm pretty sure that's valuable pertinent info but thanks yeah that's a direct quote uh the defense also
00:27:20
requested that the judge Clos the hearing and trial to the media with a member of the defense telling a reporter
00:27:25
I can't even imagine how bad it's going to be if the media sits it on this but regardless of their concerns the judge
00:27:30
said nah kept it open oh denied the request oh [ __ ] in the months leading up to the trial the defense team tried
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again and again to get the trial moved to a new County and at one point they even moved for a mistrial after the
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Prosecutor Greg Bower quote told jurors that Rogers was in police custody on other charges when he was arrested and
00:27:51
MS death according to Emil michan Bowers quote clearly violated the Court's ruling and forever tainted the jury
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panel but the judge disagreed and declined the motion oh wow there's like a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] going on and I love
00:28:02
that this judge is just like no no it's fine Daniel Rogers trial finally started
00:28:07
in March of in early March of 1988 in his opening statement Bower gave the jury a brief history of his criminal
00:28:14
history despite the judge explicitly disallowing such information uh and presented the state's
00:28:19
theory that at some point after the three men had gone back to Daniel's house Daniel and Preston argued over
00:28:25
drugs and Daniel shot Preston to death the reference to the previous criminal charges and pending drug charges
00:28:31
obviously were objected to by the defense yeah they immediately again moved for a Mist trial they were hoping
00:28:38
so desperately for a mistrial in this case hoping wish and praying but guess what that was rejected by judge George
00:28:45
KY he said he's not no he only knows no he's not here in Play No among the various Witnesses who testified on
00:28:52
behalf of the prosecution were multiple police officers multiple crime scene technicians who explained the evidence
00:28:58
that was discovered from the blood in the street to the evidence also collected inside the house officer Mike
00:29:04
major explained to the jury what the search team had discovered on their initial search of the home which was the
00:29:10
gun ammunition and an axxe which Daniel Rogers buried in the garden next to the house oh my God obviously that was used
00:29:18
similarly Boise crime lab technician Darla shaver presented irrefutable fingerprint evidence that was collected
00:29:25
from the house including prints on the gun and the very bullets that killed Preston mer oh [ __ ] similarly even
00:29:32
though DNA DNA testing was unavailable to them at the time the technicians were able to determine all the blood that
00:29:39
they found in the house on the street and the axe was from the same person uh with type O blood which was a match for
00:29:45
Preston myrh damn look at them I know and I think it's so that's why I do love when we cover cases that are like not
00:29:52
super modern because they to work for those results not that I'm saying people now don't have to work no of course they
00:29:58
have people now do have a lot more at their disposal to solve these crimes digital Footprints and cameras
00:30:04
everywhere and DNA like all these you know familial DNA and all this fun stuff that is great and that's what we want
00:30:11
but that's why we always saying like the older cases are just like they're fascinating to see how they come to the
00:30:18
conclusion because they have to be so creative with it and you have like when you have DNA it makes or breaks a case
00:30:24
think about like you had to make or break a case without DNA because that wasn't even an option like it's it's
00:30:30
just crazy to think about and 1987 doesn't even sound like that long ago but to think that like wow they didn't
00:30:36
even have DNA testing like obviously it was like in its infancy they were working on it but just that they didn't
00:30:42
have it at their disposal yet it's crazy it is uh crime lab technician Wally Baker also testified that the bullet
00:30:49
removed from Preston M skull was a match for one of the Slugs pulled from the door frame at the scene and both of
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those came from Daniel Rogers 350 7 Magnum revolver and so they asked uh whether two identical guns from the same
00:31:03
manufacturer could produce similar results they wanted to see like oh maybe we can get something get something here
00:31:09
but baker said even consecutively made barrels are different meaning every gun which I didn't know this and I thought
00:31:14
it was interesting every gun that comes off an assembly line is unique in some identifiable way which is how they could
00:31:21
conclusively say that both bullets came from Daniel's gun yeah the inside of a gun barrel has almost like its own
00:31:27
fingerprint so when the bullet passes through it's going to leave marks that you won't find on a another gun I never
00:31:34
knew that that's so interesting yeah isn't that interesting yeah how did you know that just like took a ballistics
00:31:40
class in uh in college once cool like a uh like forensic science had ballistics as part of it that's cool yeah I feel
00:31:49
like that' be like very interesting it was sometimes I'm like wow I really wish I paid attention in college or like did
00:31:55
something like this you know well that's the thing it was like something I was really interested in so I liked it so
00:32:00
much I just wanted to be a teacher back then and then I said I don't know if I want to do that actually no and I said I
00:32:05
think I want to do hair but anyway when it came time for the defense to present their case they
00:32:10
offered a pretty simple but also very questionable explanation they said Daniel Rogers didn't kill Preston myrr
00:32:17
Darren Cox did oh there you go you might as well give it a shot you know I think
00:32:21
that was proba only thing they could have done at that point that's literally all they have so according to Daniel
00:32:26
Rogers who took the in his own defense interestingly enough he couldn't have participated in this murder or this
00:32:33
dismemberment because he had an extreme phobia of blood that's for real Sor I'm sorry he
00:32:41
said what guys I know you think I did this and I know that like these bullets were shot from my gun and everything but
00:32:49
I didn't sh I have a gun but I would never shoot anything cuz I can't see it bleed because I'm so scared of blood
00:32:55
blood gives me the I so I can't I'm like blood makes me go that's why I couldn't have done this you shot your
00:33:03
friend in the head and served time for that already yeah like when you shoot someone in the head I'm willing to bet
00:33:08
that's pretty bloody I got to know in their like pre-trial stuff when they're all sitting in there practi this like he
00:33:14
pitched that idea or somebody gave him that idea they said good they all said good idea let's let's have you do that
00:33:22
he literally said direct quote I can't stand the sight of blood I felt like I was going to throw up whoa and he said
00:33:28
he had an extreme phobia not just a phobia an extreme phobia I you know I doubt it yeah you
00:33:36
got to be quicker than that I'm just going to go out and say I doubt it I got to I'm like the man in the is that
00:33:42
theate commercial you got to be quick be quicker than that that's what I would have somebody should have just like
00:33:47
called Paul mat man to show you got to be quicker than you got to be quicker than that that's ridiculous that's
00:33:53
honestly that that is he said guys this is our best bet that's reckless that's reckless behavior I'm afraid of blood I
00:34:00
couldn't have done this that's reckless testimonial Behavior tell them there's no way it was me I got phobia blood
00:34:06
makes me go want to throw up like like what you just membered a man's body are you
00:34:12
[ __ ] kidding he's the worst now during several hours of testimony Daniel Rogers explained to the jury that it was
00:34:19
Darren Cox who had gotten in a fight with Preston while the two were smoking some weed in the basement and he said he
00:34:23
heard he wasn't even there he was upstairs and he heard the fight escalate from where he was upstairs so far away
00:34:29
and he said by the time he made it down to the basement which was you know so far that Darren Cox had pulled out a
00:34:35
knife and was threatening Preston and he said I decided to break it up he told the jury they weren't paying me a bit of
00:34:41
attention at this point they were fighting and cussing at each other of course they were so he said he fired a
00:34:46
warning shot to break up the fight in his own home okay if I was Catherine I would be o honey yeah warning shots in
00:34:54
my house uhuh I'm going get you but he said that only caused and M to rush at him knocking him to the floor on his way
00:35:01
up the stairs to flee but he said Darren Cox then grabbed the gun from him from Daniel and uh chased Preston myr out
00:35:09
onto the street eventually dragging him back into the house he said next thing I
00:35:12
do is I try to go and stop them when I got to the kitchen part of the house I heard the gun go off so he's like it's
00:35:19
weird I'm always so away when these things are happening it's it's wild I'm just like never there
00:35:26
but I'm I'm around so I can hear things yeah I'm just never close enough right there and it's because I'm so scared of
00:35:33
blood that's the thing I'm worried somebody's going to like scrape themselves somewhere and I'm just going
00:35:37
to go ah I just yeah I just fire Waring shots in my own home yeah but in his version of events he was simply an
00:35:43
innocent bystander who actually tried to intervene to save Preston myrr what a hero oh wow but the problem was that um
00:35:50
none of the evidence supported his theory or his story and by all accounts of the two men it was Daniel Rogers not
00:35:56
Darren Cox who was was more likely to react with explosive deadly violence but good try he had a whole [ __ ]
00:36:02
full-blown history of it he shot his friend in the head once to shoot your friend in the head and serve time for it
00:36:08
and then kill another man and go up to the jury and to insult them that way by saying I have a phobia of blood so
00:36:16
couldn't have been me like so what happened when you shot your friend in the head couldn't be me hello yeah after
00:36:21
2 weeks of evidence and testimony the jury deliberated a little more than 6 hours which I'm like 6 hours it took you
00:36:28
that long but they found Daniel Rogers guilty of first-degree murder good Preston's mother may told reporters I'm
00:36:34
so happy with the verdict I'm delighted and a few weeks later Daniel Rogers returned to the court and was sentenced
00:36:40
to life in prison bye Danel rightfully so now based on the outcome of Daniel Rogers trial which named him as the
00:36:46
shooter Darren Cox retracted his original plea of not guilty and decided to make a deal with the district
00:36:52
attorney to plead guilty to charges of being an accessory to a felony and aggravated assault
00:36:58
in exchange for his plea he got um a sentence of 5 years in prison and a fine of
00:37:03
$10,000 my go I just want to reiterate that this man helped his friend kill somebody and dismember their body to the
00:37:12
point where it had to fill 13 trash bags yeah like come on and he got five years
00:37:16
in prison and a fine wow that's [ __ ] that is indeed but he in his version EV of events he said he didn't know what
00:37:23
was happening until after the assault began and after that Daniel Rogers threatened his life telling him you're
00:37:29
either with me or you're against me and he interpreted that to mean that Daniel would also kill him if he didn't assist
00:37:35
in disposing of the body damn as far as his participation in the murder and mutilation he said it was more or less
00:37:41
for my own safety you know more or less like oh you dismembered a man for your own safety more or less if that helps
00:37:48
you sleep at night it's the more or less for me yeah you know more casual just offhand yeah but in the years since his
00:37:54
trial Daniel Rogers has actually tried to have his verdict overturned and ition for a new trial multiple times claiming
00:38:00
among other things that the court abused its discretion in revealing his criminal
00:38:03
past and the jury was biased by media attention but as of now he has been unsuccessful wow now the convictions of
00:38:10
Daniel Rogers and Darren Cox for the gruesome murder of Preston myrr should have been the end of this tragic story
00:38:17
but for the house on Lyndon Street it was just the beginning of a new and definitely more maob status as the
00:38:24
murder Mansion Boise's most notorious on house ooh it's kind of unclear at what point the rumors of The Haunting began
00:38:32
or who started them but it actually does turn out that Preston m is not the first
00:38:36
person who died in that house in June of 1952 the home's owner 91-year-old birdie
00:38:42
ston she died in her home I know Bird's like one of my favorite names she died of natural causes after living in the
00:38:47
house for 44 years a few years later in 1958 71-year-old John uh I think it's Egan also died in that home followed a
00:38:56
year later by 90 uh 89-year-old Ellen marker damn this is like the florid of houses so far yes it is just like that
00:39:05
retire yes there you go it's so true but maybe I hope they were all like comfortable and happy in their home I
00:39:11
know I hope so too yeah and then the next person to die in the house was murdered that was ter cuz before that
00:39:19
it's just like super old yeah like people at the end of their lives at the end of their lives dying of natural
00:39:24
causes in the home that they that they live in ably love yeah exactly you know feel comfortable in a terrible way to
00:39:31
end that then a 21-year-old who was sh brutally murdered and brutally killed and that was nearly 30 years after Ellen
00:39:38
marker had passed away despite the Gap in years and um decidedly different circumstances of deaths this group would
00:39:45
serve as the basis for the rumors of the haunting at 805 Lyon I mean I get it I would also wonder recipe here in 2012
00:39:53
local news channel KBOI interviewed the homes new owner Dean Davis um she hadn't
00:39:58
experienced anything unusual herself but she was well aware of the rumors about her house she told them living there I
00:40:04
don't I really don't feel that I was ever afraid or felt it was haunted but there are so many stories that everyone
00:40:09
else is convinced it is well maybe you're not afraid because they're like all happy ghosts like nice ghosts you
00:40:15
know that's what you would hope yeah for the most part she and her children Had No Reservations about living in a house
00:40:21
for something that tragic had happened but even they weren't immune to the stories and speculation about the house
00:40:26
one of her daughter said I feel there's something kind of there and kind of not when I went into the basement it was
00:40:32
dark and I was scared and when I went in there I was like get me out get me out cuz I felt there was something there and
00:40:37
I didn't want to go near it I mean yeah I feel like there's got to be some kind of vibe yeah even if it's not like
00:40:43
haunted or like you know like malevolent you know it's like right it's just a vibe that something's there
00:40:51
cuz like the energy I always say the energy that's dark energy dark that's dark SED that's Sinister
00:41:00
babe what happened in there and I feel like that stuff doesn't just like go away you know dissipate exactly but
00:41:06
according to deian Davis from the moment she moved in with her kids in 2008 they
00:41:10
were constantly asked by the neighbors and even paranormal enthusiasts if they would ever open the house for tours uh
00:41:17
no be like it's my literal home no that's a that's a wild thing to ask someone imag don't ask your neighbors
00:41:24
imagine walking up to your neighbor and being like are you ever going to like open this place up for tours yeah like
00:41:28
your house is [ __ ] up you ever think of having people trumps through it for a couple of bucks like it's than it's also
00:41:34
like older people died here at the end of their lives and then a poor young man was brutally murdered what's there to
00:41:41
see yeah you just want to walk through my house so you can feel if it's creepy I'm not getting it I think it's the
00:41:47
rumors that really added to everything oh yeah but she said it had a lot of Fame that people would want to come by
00:41:54
and have a tour of the house it's like third it's listed like third in the United States as haunted houses is it I
00:42:00
don't maybe at that time as of 2016 yeah I'm not sure if it still is uh but according to the lifelong Boise resident
00:42:08
and content creator for Boise radio station 179 Light FM Michelle Hart said there are so many rumors about the house
00:42:16
everything from a czy serial killer who killed multiple people in the home to it
00:42:20
being a frat house for Boise State where Brothers frequently saw blood running down the walls oh we got more of that
00:42:26
yep stories of a woman dressed in clothes from the 1800s standing in the window okay which is interesting none of that
00:42:34
makes sense but no right no um she did clarify that the house was actually never used as a BSU frat house but its
00:42:41
association with the Merm murder gives it a certain legitimacy and credibility that allows that speculation in the
00:42:47
numers to grow in the years since Daniel Rogers was senten the house has been owned by a handful of people and not a
00:42:55
lot of those people put a lot of effort or money into its curb appeal which kind
00:42:58
of only added to the notoriety cuz it looked it starts looking a little haunted yes according to Heart there are
00:43:04
multiple Vehicles parked on the property what appears to be trash piled in the Second Story window broken windows and
00:43:10
debris all over the front porch I mean that'll do it yeah not great while Hart herself has never gone into the house or
00:43:17
onto the property she's been collecting stories from those who supposedly have in one story from a a young woman named
00:43:24
Lacy her best friend's father owned the house house and hired his daughter and some friends to do some yard work and
00:43:30
cleaning and she said we worked there for about a week nothing weird ever happened when I was inside but I did not
00:43:35
want to go near the basement M and then others had more detailed experiences according to one of Hart's respondents
00:43:42
referred to as d d we were upstairs in one of the side bedrooms when we heard someone walk upstairs didn't think much
00:43:48
of it thought it was the roommate but then we heard it again and we never heard anyone go downstairs me and my
00:43:54
friend be went to check it out we thought it was someone breaking into the house we checked everything out don't
00:43:58
see anyone so we go and stand on the porch to let whoever was there know we're watching if he comes back I just
00:44:05
thought I was tired until be asked me if I was seeing this stuff too we figured out that we weren't looking for a person
00:44:11
I stepped out into the front yard and look up to the main bedroom upstairs in the window is a big black oily looking
00:44:16
thing I doubt what I'm seeing until it moves back toward the dresser stops goes to the door and disappears oh that's
00:44:23
creepy an oily looking thing big black oily looking thing hate it now like d d Another
00:44:31
respondent Christy also saw inexplicable things in the windows she said when I lived on Leadville when I was a kid I
00:44:37
saw a woman in an upstairs window banging on it it looked like she was screaming but there were no sounds oh
00:44:42
that's terrifying horrifying that's chilling so a lot for a lot of people it's like it seems like people who don't
00:44:50
live in the house have experiences but for those who actually lived in the house the experiences are much less
00:44:55
Supernatural uh and they just have more of like an ominous feeling so there it is it's The Vibes but yeah there's
00:45:01
definitely something there according to a BSU student who rented a room in the house the basement was creepy and had a
00:45:08
weird feeling to it we would take people down there to scare them I never saw any
00:45:11
ghosts but you could tell something wasn't quite right and it's the basement the basement which yeah which makes
00:45:17
sense that's where like the really bad [ __ ] happened exactly so whether or not
00:45:20
the house is truly haunted as a matter of debate but for those who are interested in finding out for themselves
00:45:25
they actually might finally have the chance in spring in the spring of 2024 Mark Iverson the Creator and tour guide
00:45:32
of Ida uh Ida history began advertising upcoming tours of the house on lynon street and according to him he quote hit
00:45:39
it off with the homes owner and the two of them are working together on opening the inside of the home for tours and a
00:45:44
portion of the proceeds from the tour will reportedly benefit the preservation of the mansion and the property which is
00:45:51
nice that's good that it'll go back to like taking care of the property yeah cuz it sounds like for a long time the
00:45:55
property like wasn't being made and that's also feeding into all like the lore yeah exactly [ __ ] so it's like
00:46:03
that's better yeah I think so too wow but what a story huh that is a tale it's a tale I've never heard of that I never
00:46:13
even this place um Dave suggested it actually yeah Dave always comes out with these things that I'm like well [ __ ]
00:46:19
well [ __ ] Dave thanks [ __ ] Dave did you end up seeing if it was on a list anywhere I looked I'm not seeing it on
00:46:25
any of the lists I'm looking on but there there's so many lists now it could be on another one that I'm like it it
00:46:31
who knows which one that person was looking at yeah I looked at one point and I didn't see it but yeah it's really
00:46:35
just unlike Idaho things that makes sense probably like one of the most haunted places in Idaho yeah for sure
00:46:41
but wow what a tale what a TA what a sad sad tale poor I don't know if I would want to go poor Preston yeah that's the
00:46:47
thing that like what happened to Preston was like so like brutal and senseless and that he
00:46:54
was running down the street trying to get help I know and like those poor people who
00:46:59
like you know poor Clinton yeah like poor Clinton like like nobody blames that you like hesitated for a second
00:47:06
like he did the right thing and called the police I mean did the dispatcher if anybody failed yeah real bad like that
00:47:14
was yeah that dispatcher failed not a great dispatcher moment sorry like poor Clinton poor the people who you know
00:47:20
like that's that's rough the neighborhood like damn waking up to that in your neighborhood just a blood too
00:47:27
yeah it's it's if you look it up it's a big it is a man I was just going to say yeah yeah it's interesting yeah an
00:47:33
interesting tale alog together but a tragic tail really scary one yeah that is the murder of Preston bur and the
00:47:39
Boise murder Mansion so keep an eye cuz you might be able to take a tour if you want to yeah that's what you're you're
00:47:44
thinking you want to do that's your deal if you live in Boise yeah I love saying
00:47:48
Boise Boise Boise it's Bo I know I just like it it's Boise Idaho I hope you like
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Boise too and I hope you keep listen and I hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you don't just keep talking
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like this talk like this all day now all right love you bye bye bye [Music] oh [Music]
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