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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] this is morbid and we're in part three
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of HH Holmes three is my lucky number so let's [ __ ] get it brother well this is definitely gonna be a four-parter so
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uh this is this story and so like I'm just getting right into like how crazy it is because I can't
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can't stop won't stop rocking to the Rhythm it's similar to Jack the Ripper but not at all yeah you know what I mean
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like no no I know what you mean similar in the sense that there is just so much and there's so many little things that
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you just need to they need to double check because like so many different stories were told and newspapers ran
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with certain things and like he told so many different stories and you know investigators are wrong on certain
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things so you have to like keep checking things to be like did that happen or did
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that happen or which one happened very confusing he has many many wives he has many many business scams he has many
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many states in which he does these things it's like a TLC show kind of he is just so much so I figured
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I don't want to like just like Crush all the information into as little episodes
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as possible I'd rather have more episodes being able to coherently discuss what's going on so that we can
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move on to the next one knowing where we are yeah so it gets it like part four I
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think we're gonna get into you know the business associate um his Benjamin it's I've heard it two
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ways it's pied cell white cell or pit cell I like fight cell and I've been saying that the whole time sounds right
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to me yeah um but he that his whole thing with his family that's what we're going to talk about in
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part four when we get to that it's very confusing very intense so I just wanted to give that
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its own little thing okay and I think in part four we're also going to talk about
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because I was thinking about it more that the theories that he is Jack the Ripper I'm excited to talk about that
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because I need yeah I know you don't think so I don't think he was but I think some of the theories are very
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compelling and I understand why why it's still a theory okay I get it okay so I want to go a little further
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into those which means I want to give a little more time to dive into some like ship manifests and some other things to
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try to see because he was in in the UK at a time you love a Shipman I love a shirt manifest where do you go to find
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them on um ancestry.com you can find them ah ancestry's got a lot of cool [ __ ] like they don't like offshoot
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things that you can do yeah you can find marriage and death certificates you can
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find births yeah you know divorces in fact ancestry has been we're not like we're not uh sponsored by ancestry this
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is literally just me being like it's a cool site yeah I do too so ancestry is good for this one I've been using it a
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lot because I've been like trying to find records of divorces and marriages just to like because one of the things
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with Holmes is like he married people but he didn't know he's legally married people so he was married you don't know
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how many he was married to legally and how many he wasn't it was wild but when we last left you we had talked
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about um Emeline segrand the secretary that he had hired on the one that Benjamin his assistant there had found
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so remarkably beautiful that told Holmes about um he had definitely murdered her yeah
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and we knew that because you know he claimed that she went and got married to a guy named Phelps Phelps was a known
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Alias of Benjamin pyzel um you know she disappeared and the uh guy that he had hired before to
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articulate skeletons for him he had come and picked up a trunk yeah you know like
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not stuff at all lots of other things you know the LaSalle Medical College of Chicago received a delivery of a nicely
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articulated skeleton right after this yeah not at all related yeah and they found that footprint a woman's footprint
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in that airtight Vault that he had built in his castle and it was so it was made
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with so much force in the wall that they said they couldn't even wipe it off she
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was trying to get out of there that part just like stuck with me that's [ __ ] terrifying yeah so that's where we had
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last left you and he is also still married to Clara and he is still married to murder okay so he still has Robert
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his young son he still has Lucy his young daughter and he has murdered several people
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fantastic so yeah so it's great now if you know the story of H.H Holmes I think we mentioned this book before you
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definitely have heard of the World's Fair and that being inextricably linked together I was waiting for you to bring
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it up and I kept wanting to ask last episode and I was like don't do it she'll get there well that's the thing
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so the last episode I mentioned the world's Colombian Exposition yeah that's the same as the world's fair oh uh I'm
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gonna call it the World's Fair from now on but they are the same thing they're just called those things interchangeably
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uh but yeah they are linked a lot of people think that he made this Castle in response to the World Fair coming
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because it was going to be such an easy thing he didn't make it in response to it he was planning to do it all along it
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just turned out yeah but for him there was something he did do in response to the World Fair coming to Chicago and
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after it had been announced he decided to add a third floor to his Murder Castle ah now in the enthusiasm and
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excitement for the opening of the fair a lot of businessmen around the area they
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kind of like race to make a ton of sales as possible like this was their time they were going to go they didn't do a
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lot of credit checking they didn't do a lot of background checking they just wanted to make these sales Holmes was
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really able to use this to his Advantage when he was making his castle because he
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got a ton of furniture a ton of fixtures and he could do it all without any intention of actually paying he just did
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it with credit and he did this using the name HS Campbell by most accounts so by
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the time construction of the third floor was finished that was around the end of
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1892 early 1893 creditors were catching on and they started filing lawsuits against him basically for theft because
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he had nothing left and it got so bad that the sheriff and other creditors actually descended upon the castle
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demanding payment or they wanted all their items back but when they got there Holmes was like I don't know what you're
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talking about come in I don't have have any of that stuff you Liars what he had sold off all the furniture or he hid
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them all in the secret Chambers in the castle basically being like you can't prove anything oh [ __ ] like literally
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just being like those didn't even exist what are you talking about and like that
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my name is not even HS yeah okay my name is not h.s Campbell I am H.H holy you're
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looking for the wrong guy yeah like how dare you Holy Cannoli so those secret Chambers were more than just murder
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Chambers they were also a something where he could store his scams essentially scam Chambers scam Chambers
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now what he did was he essentially turned the second floor the third floor became more of the apartments and the
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third the second floor it came more and more Macabre and used as that really scary part of the castle hey the Chicago
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Tribune later the this the way they described this I was like I have to bring this in I found on newspaper.com
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my favorite place uh they wrote Oh What a queer house it was in all America there was another none other like it
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it's chimney stuck out where chimneys should never stick out its stairways ended nowhere in particular winding
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passages brought the uninitiated with a frightful jerk back to where they had started from there were doors that had
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there were rooms that had no doors there were doors that had no rooms A mysterious house it was indeed a crooked
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house a reflex of the Builder's own distorted mind and that house occurred dark and Eerie Deeds oh it sounds like
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the Winchester Mystery House thank you that's literally what he was doing he did the same kind of thing where you
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would open a door and it would just fall down to the basement right or you would
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there was um like I'm gonna bring up right now I took a screenshot of the floor plans of the house that they had
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laid out and especially the second floor and just some of the things that they had written in this newspaper article
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for what these things were lots of things labeled secret rooms mysterious closed room was one of them dummy
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elevator for lowering bodies hey sealed room all bricked in trap lead down to secret chamber
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uh this the hanging secret chamber it was that like a hanging room or that's where he hanged people I have no idea
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it's just labeled the hanging secret chamber no thank you one is called the blind room one is called the dark room
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asphyxiation chamber no light with gas connectors so he had an actual room that was like
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the gas chamber num there was one called the death the death shaft where he would
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throw people down alive uh there were things called The Maze uh room of the three corpses one was
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called okie dokie the black closet oh I don't like that yep um another secret chamber it's literally
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labeled another secret chamber uh one room another one another one is called the five door room there's a room with
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five doors no that's too many doors yeah and then in the b in the front of it is
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just like waiting room reception room for me it's the black closet the black closet I think that's where I would hate
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the most well I'd hate it all the most this one the steel bound chamber no and those are those airtight chambers that
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he would have which on the outside it looked like a regular door sure like and you would open the door and then there
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was a steel door there and he would open that door shove you in shut that steel door and then he would just shut the
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regular door and lock it and no one would hear you no no one would think twice about it they'd walk past that
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door while you were slowly suffocating in there and they would never know you're sitting there looking at a
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[ __ ] crazy footprint like clearly knowing somebody tried to bust out of here and it didn't work exactly and you
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have to wonder like did he leave people in there I'm sure he did and then put put somebody else in them probably but a
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lot of the bones were found in the basement so I'm assuming he used those chefs to just just show them in because
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a lot of the times he would bring them in there under the guise of like check out this cool chamber right like no one
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can hear you in here and then he'd be like whoop and he'd just lock you in oh God was he a big guy he was not a big
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guy no he was five foot eight you know just like a normal sized guy yeah um that's why he had to use a lot of
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Mind Games and a lot of scams right because he couldn't overpower yeah he wasn't using a lot of force to do these
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things especially with like other men um even with women he really wasn't he was sometimes he was but mostly he tried
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to incapacitate them first in some way but the floor plan just really shows you the thought process
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behind this house and the level of evil the level of evil is something we will never fully comprehend insurmountable
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insurmountable evil so unfortunately so the world fair is here we just had him he just murdered sagrand but he's gotten
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away with it and Holmes's next victim Minnie Williams unfortunately came right to him oh no uh she was actually someone
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he'd met years earlier while he was on a brief trip to Boston Massachusetts no get out of here I know I was like bye we
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don't want you Minnie Williams was actually born in Mississippi but shortly after she was born both her parents were
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killed oh gosh so she and her sister Nanny and her brother were over were orphaned she's also referred to as
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Nettie Nanny and Nettie Nettie is one of my favorite names really I think Nettie
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is the cutest one that's funny I love I like that name too it's cute uh then like sometimes you'll see her referred
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to as Annie and like some newspapers I think they just removed the end yeah but Nanny or Nettie basically I'm gonna call
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her nanny because that's what I saw mostly sure um they were split up when the parents died and ended up being kind
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of shuttled around to a few Guardians over the years but many they all ended up finding permanent places and Minnie
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found a permanent home and guardian with an uncle in Texas the uncle treated her very well was like
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a very kind Guardian a very good Guardian I ended up enrolling her in the Boston Academy of elocution in 1886
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which is a finishing school for high class ladies uh unfortunately not very long after arriving in Boston her uncle
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slash Guardian passed away oh God she's been through it yeah and in doing so he left her in a state valued at fifty
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thousand to a hundred thousand dollars which was 1.5 to 3 million dollars now well [ __ ] yeah so she Inherited property
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as well on top of that estate she inherited a property in Fort Worth Texas as well [ __ ] so she was like set up at
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this point she was and I found through ancestry.com that her uncle was Reverend W.C black of New Orleans and he was the
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editor of the Methodist Christian Advocate which is like a newspaper so that's just that fun uh because I want
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to know who he was okay who is this man yeah but um and apparently he was a great Guardian
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so cool but it was at a party in Boston while she was there and finishing school
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that and it was thrown by one of the city's big fancy leading families you know I love that in the late 1880s that
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Holmes met Minnie Williams no thank you because of course he was he was pretending to be very high class himself
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I just have to ask before you get too far into it I feel like is this in the AHS the one that the maid was based off
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of was based off of yeah the maid in The in hotel no no no this all sounds so familiar to me maybe I just heard it I
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mean Miss Patrick March was based on yeah yeah but I don't I don't think Minnie was uh huh because she wasn't a
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maid oh okay so she like she was like a like a high society yeah exactly so um no it sounds familiar but maybe I've
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just heard her story I'm sure little little bits and pieces of that definitely probably got sprinkled in
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there yeah but when he met a when she met H.H Holmes at this party for like fancy people uh in the late 1880s he
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introduced himself as Harry Gordon that's not your name it's not now Minnie herself was very Charming she was
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essentially a socialite a search in newspapers back then in Boston shows that she was in attendance at a lot of
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big parties and events hell yeah girl she was always listed among the guests I think he's up baby there you go and she
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was an actress and very interesting in the theater she was a very interesting person but she wasn't his type
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physically she was not his type she wasn't according to newspaper reports she wasn't the classic beauty of the
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time which is generally what Holmes went for he was very shallow uh he would usually go for like only pretty ladies
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sure that classically pretty ladies you know what I mean she was described which
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I think is mean because there's photos of her and I think she's very pretty I'm gonna look her up she was described as
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plain that's [ __ ] and they literally immediately know when they literally wrote that she had full cheeks and I was
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like I'm sorry what should your cheeks be I was gonna say you mean like how people shove fillers into their cheeks
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to look like I'm like also like what should cheeks be like I feel like that like should they be sunken in I don't
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know I wonder it's not back then did they possibly something because that's the thing we're talking about like a
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standard of beauty that is definitely different than what we are doing today 100
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um and that's what they're talking about though and they were mentioning that she
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was not a classic Beauty she was apparently not fitting into the beauty standards of that time I think she was
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really pretty right she was so cute yeah and she looks sassy she does look sassy
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and she has great hair she does now despite the fact that she wasn't exactly his type Holmes gave many a lot of
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attention she got money exactly he took a very perceived liking to her and showed her his interest anytime he came
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back into Boston for quote-unquote business he lavaged lavished her with attention he would take her to dinners
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he would take her to the theater he would extend his stays longer just to spend more time with her he acted like
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he was in love with her um it used it seemed like he was straight up courting her yeah and she
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was thrilled of course she's very much loved him unfortunately knowing she wasn't his normal type and knowing how
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hard he went at her it's very likely he was drawn to her massive inheritance yeah remember he's a monster he has no
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feelings so he definitely didn't love her he courted her for some time but after a while he just became bored and
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he started making the visits less and less and then he just ghosted her completely and stopped visiting it all
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or communicating to her I wish that was the end of it like I hate the Heartbreak
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for her but then you're better off you're better off exactly and she was devastated she had really fallen for him
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she felt like he was the one who got away like ghosted her yeah totally ghosted her that's [ __ ] wow even [ __ ]
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boys in the 1800s ladies truly ladies and gents my goodness now follow when she graduated from the Boston Academy of
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elocution imagine many moved from Boston to Denver Colorado and there she tried to use some of her inheritance to start
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up her own Theater Company oh cool yeah she was like she was like [ __ ] that I'm
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gonna I love the theater I'm gonna start my own doing the damn thing unfortunately it didn't really work
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workout she ended up losing like a lot of money in the process she gave it a shot though yeah you know you you gotta
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shoot your shot you miss 100 of the shots you don't take Michael Scott Michael Scott through all of that though
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she could not stop thinking about Harry Gordon you you can never get your mind off the last man's that ghosted you no
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and he had love bombed her he had showered her with attention with affection with gifts with dates with
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everything he had acted like he was courting her to lead up to a proposal that's what he had and in that time
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period That's you Court to lead up to a proposal there is not like this it's not
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like now where you're like I don't know maybe we'll go on a third date but we're
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talking yeah like we're talking we're seeing each other whatever the [ __ ] that
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is it's like back then you're courting and there's an expected end to this and the end to this is we're getting married
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dude they should go back to that just like I'm not gonna Court you unless we're getting married honestly like Girl
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Like Girls gays they let's start that yeah don't waste your time like just it's end game are you planning to get
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married someday no next next yeah like if that's what you're looking for exactly so as far as many knew at this
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point Harry was living in Chicago uh Chicago was obviously getting a lot of news around and newspapers and
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everything because of the world's fair being hosted there so to many she was like you know what Chicago does sound
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pretty exciting and the World's Fair would be like a lot of opportunities for me like you know there's a lot of things
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there there's a lot of people there's connections right you know and she's like also Harry is there the love of my
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life she knows he's there so she's like I don't know it kind of feels like the universe is calling me there
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so in February of 1893 she decided she was packing up and moving to Chicago she said let's go and on her way there she
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was just determined she was like I'm gonna reconnect with Harry oh baby now Minnie settled on Chicago's north side
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when she arrived and she took a job immediately as a stenographer for a local law firm uh but almost immediately
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she did get in contact with H.H Holmes of course Holmes was like oh my God I'm so glad
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you're here thank you so much for following me here that's great I don't have to do any work oh no so after all
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he loved when he could get a woman to come to him he didn't want to have to do all the work if he didn't have to do the
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work he was like this is great so although she was already gainfully employed with a law firm he was like you
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have to come work for me you have to be my personal secretary here's a retroactive warning to everybody if H.H
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Holmes ever asked you to be his personal secretary run the other way Run for the
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hills anytime he asked someone to be his personal secretary they were gone oh no
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um and he also put a little bit of sugar on top of this and he said be my personal secretary I'll pay you a lot
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more and then he was like we can also spend a lot more time together which was he knew was the way to get many like oh
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my God yeah he knew what was that so Minnie is so happy she has the dream has been realized she has moved to Chicago
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to reconnect with the love of her life which she thought got away and she was meant to be with him she contacted him
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and he was thrilled to hear from her and he's saying come spend more time that is
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the saddest thing to me is that like she's like [ __ ] like yes this is working out imagine how she felt like the
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excitement it like that's actually like when you've like lost contact with somebody you thought was really cool and
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then you regain it and you're like in her head she's probably like this was meant to be of course she was it was not
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because she was probably thinking there was probably thoughts on her head okay I'm gonna move to Chicago I'm gonna
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contact him this could go one of two ways he's gonna be psyched and my whole life is going to lead up to this moment
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and it's going to be great and we're gonna get married he's gonna say sorry I'm not interested and I'm gonna say
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cool I gave it a shot I did what I did right and I'm gonna move on right so for him to do this is like confirming to her
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this was this was the right decision me packing up my whole life and reading here for him it was a right decision and
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it makes me so angry he not only loved to like [ __ ] with people and like murder
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them but this [ __ ] loved a mind game oh he loved a mine and I hate that yeah psychologically he loved to [ __ ]
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with people and so he was like yes absolutely come come work with me we're gonna spend all this time together he
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did have a couple of stipulations though some little things one of the most important ones that was he said um I'm
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going to insist that you'd never refer to me as Mr Gordon because uh that's not my name only refer to me as uh Holmes
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just call me that and and don't don't ask me why just just do that okay and she was like committing so she's just
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like okie doke okay and she just all right sure why not so just a few weeks after moving to
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Chicago she left the boarding house she was living in and moved into the apartment in the castle or nor she was
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just so happy it's moving in the direction she wants it to move this is the hardest part of telling these cases
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is I just want to go back in time and just run to that [ __ ] thing and grab her and take her out to a drink and be
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like girly I'm from the future this is gonna be real [ __ ] up but this is what was about to happen to you and it's like
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you're worth more than this you are so much better than that mustachioed fake [ __ ] he takes off that hat he's nothing
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honey nothing baby his hair is [ __ ] you under that you are all that and a bag of
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[ __ ] chips I want to be like girl Minnie you packed your [ __ ] up and moved to Chicago that's a strong
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independent woman right there so you can get the [ __ ] away from him keep on keeping up yeah you don't need him let's
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be friends what's that Tick Tock sound that's like he's just a guy hit him with your car
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he's not the love of your your life he's just a guy hit it with your car that's what I would say
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except for AJ Jones get rid of him hit him with like several of your vehicles with your horse and
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buggy hit him with that hit him with all of your personal belongings but that's like it just makes me so mad for many I
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know I want to save her so she moved in with him and of course unfortunately it started right away that she would catch
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him in a lot of compromising positions with customers or other random women she's like hey why are you like
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stealing from people yeah and also he would just be like like sexually like you know assaulting or or carrying on
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with women all over the place in that in that castle oh and then like his wife down the street yeah his wife down the
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street and the other one across the country yeah that whole thing uh yeah so he was just constantly like she would
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walk in and find because at this point he's moved her into the apartment meant they are together yeah courting has
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begun again the promise of marriage has begun again and she's walking and finding him like on top of another woman
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oh my God the [ __ ] felonies I would commit oh yeah so he decided not to not do that instead he had a buzzer
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installed in his that so that it ran from the second floor to the third floor and that way whenever someone traveled
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from the third floor to the second floor where he would carry on his Shenanigans
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sure mainly many when she traveled down there he would know a buzzer would sound
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right he could stop his Shenanigans and the alarm that you have for literally it's like it's like a motion detector
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and just so he had that installed specifically so he could carry on Affairs without being caught so he's
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like in the middle of like doing the damn thing with somebody else and that girl's like oh Minnie's coming like that
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off yeah you pieces [ __ ] truly a piece of [ __ ] in 1893 he did propose to many
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you fake as [ __ ] [ __ ] and they begin wedding planning remember the fact he's
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married the fact that he was gonna just like let her plan a whole last wedding he is playing a long game here oh
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someone knows the end goal and I'm so angry right now he plays so many long cons and he does with so many people for
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so long that he is on another level when it comes to like his stuff is gruesome in a different way
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because we don't have all the details of the things he did to people like we can
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summarize what he has done and we can see his plans for people and we can see the bones that are left there and we can
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see all that evidence but what was really [ __ ] up about him is the way he laid out long cons and had like 18 going
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at once yeah and had no remorse about it didn't care how long it reached I hate a
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con man yeah [ __ ] it like it's it it's so rattles my bones so so he's having her plan a wedding starting to
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plan a wedding remember his wife is living in Wilmette yeah just next time over with his daughter right just fine
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and then his other wife is across the country with his other child oh yeah and at the same time Minnie had begun
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reconnecting with her sister Nanny yeah who at the time was working as a school teacher in Texas
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and in her letters to her sister in late spring 1893 Minnie was just gushing about Chicago and how happy she was and
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she said that she expected to marry a man named Henry Gordon or Harry Gordon either one who had plenty of money
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and many wanted her sister to come see the World's Fair and she wanted her to come for the wedding so nanny Williams
00:27:55
waited until the school year was done and then she headed out to Chicago on a train
00:28:00
now Holmes married Minnie but it was not recorded of course so it was not legal but he did put her through
00:28:08
a wedding ceremony to her she was they were married yeah uh again not recorded I searched [ __ ] high and low in the
00:28:17
Illinois Cook registry there is nothing in there that says that they were married but people were at it they did
00:28:25
have a ceremony well it made sense that he wouldn't have been able to get married again because he married he has
00:28:31
two other marriages and he married murta in Illinois exactly so he wasn't going to be able to do it exactly but he
00:28:37
certainly went through the motions definitely made her believe that they were married and again still married to
00:28:41
Clara and murder nevertheless falling in with many so quickly so fast so closely
00:28:48
that gave him access to Minnie's inheritance right away yup uh made her a very very valuable tool in all of his
00:28:56
scams as well so in 1893 he convinced her to put the deed to the wilmet house in her name so murder and Lucy are
00:29:07
living there it is now in Minnie's name what yep and a little bit after that he had many right to the man in charge
00:29:17
of her estate the one she inherited and request three thousand dollars be sent to her which was obtained by selling off
00:29:25
a portion of the land left to her by her uncle oh no and he also convinced many to sign over the deed to the entire
00:29:32
property oh I knew that was coming to a man named Alexander Bond who's that which she did in about April 1893 and a
00:29:41
few weeks later Bond signed the deed over to another man named Benton Lyman what she didn't know was that Alexander
00:29:50
Bond was H.H Holmes yeah I had a feeling that was in Benton Lyman another that was an alias of Benjamin pitzel uh
00:30:02
you're saying these other things first and I'm like I know the estate is next and he convinced her to do it like rapid
00:30:09
sign over this deed put this in your name like that's he was able to do this [ __ ] so easily well and the thing that
00:30:16
sucks like back then like I'm sure some people in their head are like oh my God why would you ever do that yeah but
00:30:21
women weren't educated about deeds and trusts and Estates they weren't allowed to be it's like that's exactly and it's
00:30:28
one of those things where men were in charge of these kind of things so you just went along with it right and also
00:30:35
on the other side of this it's a simple thing where she was madly in love with him and trusted him and he made her
00:30:42
trust him and he made her feel like this is forever and made her feel like she made this right decision by changing and
00:30:49
uprooting her life to come here and that the Universe had put them together he had made her really feel like this is
00:30:56
somebody who I can trust it's like trusting your own husband that's just the way it is and why
00:31:12
but yeah so that all happened which you know is leading up to nothing good because when he's signing over deeds and
00:31:18
he's taken over things you know this is leading up to uh taking care of business in his eyes but
00:31:24
then Nanny Williams her sister came arrived in Chicago this was in June after the school year had ended and a
00:31:30
few weeks later their Aunt Lucy the two girls Aunt Lucy received um a letter from Nanny saying I have taken in the
00:31:38
fair to my heart's content and have enjoyed it so much and she said that she was going to be
00:31:43
going on some trips with Minnie and H.H Holmes and they were going to go to Milwaukee and York and all these other
00:31:49
places and she said then we sail for Germany by way of London and Paris I can hardly realize that I'm going to have
00:31:56
this great adventure for which I have wished to for so long brother Harry Harry Gordon says you need never trouble
00:32:04
any more about me financially or otherwise so she wrote to her on saying like don't
00:32:09
ever worry about me financially or otherwise because Harry's going to take it and also we're going to Germany yeah
00:32:15
don't look first don't look early in Germany precisely we're gonna be traveling everywhere
00:32:20
that's why you won't be able to get in touch with us ever again yep now on the evening of August 13 1893 a fire broke
00:32:28
out in the Holmes Castle a real one uh yeah an actual one and many of the residents there immediately said that
00:32:35
they believed that Holmes set the fire himself to cash in on the insurance policies and possibly to get rid of a
00:32:42
lot of incriminating evidence that was on that second floor imagine that uh they actually so one of the residents
00:32:48
said all day preceding the fire Holmes was at work on the third floor of the building moving things out and that
00:32:54
afternoon at five o'clock he took the train to Wilmette soon after he left there was noticeable there was
00:33:00
noticeable in the Flats on the third floor a strong odor of burning tar and soon tar began to run down the walls in
00:33:08
the closet below and in fact he had removed all of the things on the third floor he had
00:33:15
literally taken all his clothing personal papers the furniture the fixers he had removed door handles anything
00:33:21
that was worth anything he had taken out the day before the fire and in the months after the fire
00:33:28
um they had hired a handyman named Joe Owens and he told the fire inspector that the fire had definitely been set to
00:33:36
for insurance money and he said quote some things that were in that building Holmes never wanted known
00:33:44
that's an eerie [ __ ] quote and apparently the thing that kills me is Owens Joe owns the handyman who said
00:33:50
that yeah was never followed up on later but they never asked him anymore about that I'm like what the [ __ ] doesn't that
00:33:57
make so much sense it does and it infuriates me because I'm like guys he obviously felt comfortable saying [ __ ]
00:34:03
in front of this guy yeah but a few days after the fire a crew came in to help clean up the aftermath of the fire and
00:34:11
this is just interesting and it kind of shows that H.H Holmes was definitely together and very uh like controlled in
00:34:19
the beginning with his schemes and with everything that was going on but as he started getting more and more intense
00:34:24
with it and adding more and more layers onto his chaos yeah he was losing it a little bit like he was starting to get
00:34:31
chaotic he was starting to get aggressive he was starting to be Reckless a little bit this fire is a
00:34:36
perfect example of that right he was caught very quickly right um but this one shows so a crew came a
00:34:43
few days later to clean up the aftermath of the fire and they were throwing debris into off the roof and into a
00:34:50
tenement home oh next door that's kind yeah like they weren't using like a shoot to like put it into a dumpster or
00:34:55
something right and it was into the home of John S Nichols who lived there with his family
00:35:00
Nichols was pissed because now there's like soot and [ __ ] all over his home so
00:35:05
he asked for the janitor of the castle to the castle to complain about it and when Holmes found out about this he told
00:35:12
someone he was going to fix that man so apparently he waited for days pacing the alleyway between his home and the
00:35:20
castle waiting for Nichols to come out the [ __ ] and when he did he lost his [ __ ] on him complained he was like I
00:35:27
can't believe you complained about this you four star workers to have to build an expensive shoot to dispose of the
00:35:33
debris they cost me money the correct way to dispose of that and he pulled a gun on him and so a passing patrolman
00:35:41
under police officer was walking by and saw this whole thing and like tackled H.H Holmes to the ground hey uh put your
00:35:47
gun away [ __ ] luckily for homes the whole thing wasn't pursued much further by Nichols because he was like I don't
00:35:54
want to deal with this guy anymore he's crazy but he was very aggressive and Reckless in that shows right there that
00:36:00
yeah he's losing it he's breaking and in his confession Holmes claimed that the letter that was sent to Aunt Lucy from
00:36:07
Minnie and that was supposed to be from Nanny um he claimed that that was forged by
00:36:13
many okay what he does is he tries to blame Minnie for everything even like the fire
00:36:20
and stuff he believes like not not the fire but he blames Minnie for everything that happens after this oh okay
00:36:27
um in the case of Nanny the letter like you said establishes why people wouldn't
00:36:32
hear from her for a while why they shouldn't be concerned about her why nobody should ask where she is so on the
00:36:39
day that the letter was written many what in reality took a day trip to Milwaukee and Nanny had went with homes
00:36:46
to the World's Fair they had just taken in the fair together while Minnie was away for the day uh-huh
00:36:51
she was gonna be away for the night I believe okay um they were seen several times during
00:36:56
the day by several witnesses together it was the last time that Nanny was seen alive oh no she was forced into one of
00:37:04
his sealed bank vault type rooms and was left to suffocate to death Jesus [ __ ]
00:37:09
Christ when Minnie returned from her trip the following day Holmes sent a letter to the landlords of the apartment
00:37:16
that he'd set up for himself like the landlord of the upstairs apartment okay um he had actually sent uh because he
00:37:23
had set up another apartment outside of the castle where they were going to be moving from the castle to this apartment
00:37:28
together him and Minnie yeah him Minnie and Nanny yeah he was gonna have nanny in there too he sent a landlord to that
00:37:35
apartment or excuse me a letter to the landlord of that apartment sorry um saying that they would no longer need
00:37:42
that apartment the landlord was like that's weird because like they're living in there now like I don't
00:37:49
understand like where are they yeah what's going on but he's like so the landlord was a little suspicious so he
00:37:55
went into the apartment to check on him and he found it was abandoned completely
00:37:59
oh so sorry so him and Minnie had already started living there and then he sent the letter and was like no we don't
00:38:04
need to live here yeah he'd set up a whole apartment because they were living in the castle yep but then he had set up
00:38:10
a second apartment outside of the castle which he often did with people where he
00:38:13
would have like so they wouldn't hear everything basically so he had set them up in there and they had only been
00:38:18
living in there for a little while but they had lived but they had lived in there for at least like a week or
00:38:23
something like that and there was things but it was completely abandoned and he said and the landlord said it looked
00:38:28
like somebody had left very quickly also like do you have a lease yeah probably not
00:38:33
um but a few days later Nanny's trunk of all her belongings arrived at the Chicago Wells Fargo office addressed
00:38:41
Miss Nanny Williams c-o-h Gordon oh no no one ever came to claim now later like I said he was gonna blame
00:38:51
Minnie for a lot of things he was going to later blame Minnie for the murder of her own sister yeah I had a feeling that
00:38:57
was coming he said she was insanely jealous of Nanny and worried that Holmes was going to cheat on her with Nanny
00:39:03
well and it's like the night she was gone in Milwaukee he claimed she came home the next day and found that only
00:39:10
one bed had been slept in and assumed that they had slept together so he claims he came home and found that
00:39:17
many had murdered her sister in a blind jealous rage [ __ ] you he claimed she had
00:39:22
beat her to death with a stool so he said he helped her throw Nanny's body into Lake Michigan and then he claimed
00:39:28
of course that after that he told Manny like you need to leave he just banished her oh and he said you need to get
00:39:34
treatment for your mental health yeah I'll help you dispose of the body but then like I'll [ __ ] you over yeah
00:39:39
because that'll turn out well for me no this was all [ __ ] obviously and when Holmes did another confession later he
00:39:44
admitted that it was all [ __ ] yeah he killed them he admitted that he was the one who killed Nanny and after
00:39:49
having her sign some documents needed to get the insurance payment uh payout from
00:39:53
her brother Baldwin's death who he is also like people are suspicious that he might have killed Baldwin as well oh my
00:40:01
God so he may have killed all three of these an entire family he killed many too the way he killed Nanny he locked
00:40:06
her in an airtight room to suffocate a slow and agodizing death Jesus [ __ ] Christ both women had insurance policies
00:40:13
taken out on them by none other than Holmes himself as the beneficiary yep I don't even like he he's evil in so
00:40:23
many different ways he really is and what's crazy is later what you'll see is he takes another wife after this by the
00:40:29
way and we'll get into that kind of thing crazy he's not the marrying type but here he is but he takes another wife
00:40:37
and people see him with this wife later and sometimes he will refer to her as many and some people confuse her as many
00:40:44
so people think that Minnie is alive longer than she was and then there was this
00:40:50
um article I found in like a super old um um or a super old edition of the Ann Arbor Argus newspaper it's from 1895 and
00:41:01
it just says Minnie Williams is alive she's not and it says Holmes received a telegram from her yesterday I bet he did
00:41:09
and it says it was on August 22nd 1895 and it says um he received a telegram yesterday
00:41:16
purporting to come from Minnie R Williams one of homes is alleged victims it reads Providence Rhode Island to
00:41:22
august 19 1895 the report that I was murdered is absurd I am alive and well yeah and it says Minnie R Williams and
00:41:31
strangely It Was Written in Holmes's writing and it said and it says when the message was shown to Holmes he said
00:41:36
excitedly I knew my story that I did not kill the girl would be confirmed he brushed tears from his eyes and
00:41:43
continued I'm sorry however that she has made herself so public by telegraphing she might as well have written then it
00:41:49
says Providence Rhode Island August 21st the night operator remembers the message
00:41:53
but could not State the time at which it was filed nor could he State whether it
00:41:57
was filed by a man or a woman because he was paid off an inspection of the directory here fails to disclose any
00:42:04
name that can be taken for that of a person indicated by the signature of the message so many R Williams was not alive
00:42:10
at that point and she did not sign for that Telegraph and it was definitely done by somebody helping Holmes
00:42:18
very interesting though that like even an article was written about it yeah that is wild Now by this point he was
00:42:24
hoping to he or excuse me he was hopping to and from various apartments under various names outside of the Murder
00:42:32
Castle to try to stay one step ahead of all the insurance companies that were coming after him uh that's the thing
00:42:38
that I don't understand like con artists like this like aren't you just living in
00:42:42
fear at all times for him I feel like he was in an era where it worked his benefit yeah because
00:42:49
like they can only contact you in so many ways they can only find you so many ways so it's like true hopping around is
00:42:55
really your best bet and it's like I don't think he ever thought he was gonna get caught I thought I think he thinks
00:43:00
he was one step ahead like remember when you were like young and like couldn't pay your bills and you missed one and
00:43:05
then they just called you and called you and called you and the stress of like that feeling yes
00:43:09
I can't imagine like bringing that upon myself like intentionally and having like murdered people names like attached
00:43:17
to it yeah that's a whole lot that's a whole nother thing but he was essentially running from them but they
00:43:22
were always on his tail right and at the same time an insurance investigator named FG Cowie
00:43:30
he tracked homes to a small hotel on Lake Avenue and he went to go question him about that fire
00:43:37
and the only person he found in the hotel was a woman who introduced herself as Mrs Holmes
00:43:44
now it was he was determined to nail homes through like through all of this and this continues later but he couldn't
00:43:51
really get very far with Mrs Holmes yeah what we'll find out is that this was his
00:43:56
next wife who he was saying was Mrs Holmes but they thought this was Minnie okay now
00:44:01
the insurance investigator from before was still convinced Holmes had intentionally set that fire and wanted
00:44:07
homes prosecuted for arson so he looked into the various insurance claims that this man had taken out and
00:44:14
received a [ __ ] ton of money from and in January in 1894 he set a trap he told Holmes the company was going to
00:44:21
pay out the insurance claim and he was like just come to the office in downtown Chicago pick up the check
00:44:29
it's going to be it's fine we're gonna punk you but so Cowie confronted him when he came to pick up the check and he
00:44:35
was like you are an arsonist you burnt down that but we know this and he managed to get homes to confess
00:44:42
that he set the fire intentionally wow but I guess he did that because he knew that in order to be prosecuted for arson
00:44:50
Cowie was gonna have to file the complaint within one year of the fire okay so all that Holmes had to do was
00:44:57
basically Dodge and try to duck and Dodge investigators for six or seven more months and then he'd be in the
00:45:06
clear damn it because if they couldn't get him after a year damn it he was out so he just admitted to it being like
00:45:13
they're not going to catch me right and now they'll at least like I can get out of here so unfortunately for him though
00:45:18
a lot of his other creditors were now aware of all his misdeeds thanks to the attempt at arsoning himself into a
00:45:24
Payday yeah that really put a spotlight on him that'll do it so they contacted they all got together and they contacted
00:45:30
Lafayette mercantiles agency which was a collection agency the manager George Chamberlain organized more than 20 of
00:45:39
his creditors to confront Holmes in a meeting imagine how [ __ ] excited they were they were probably psyched after a
00:45:46
lot of back and forth he agreed to give them over some real estate as collateral
00:45:50
against his deaths and he offered up property that was deeded under the names Kate Durkee and Minnie Williams oh my
00:45:57
goodness he made an intentional clerical error on these forms on the deed transfer because then it bought him more
00:46:05
time because they had to set up another meeting to fix the clerical era oh okay so when they set up they were trying to
00:46:12
set up the third meeting he just skipped town altogether [ __ ] I hate that he was
00:46:16
one step ahead of them he was that's so sad that he was one step ahead so mad but after leaving Chicago because he was
00:46:24
getting out of Chicago now Holmes went to Denver and he went to Denver to claim the insurance payout for bald Baldwin
00:46:32
Williams's death who is Minnie and Danny's Danny's brother which tells you everything you need to know yep he had
00:46:38
forms that were quote unquote signed by Nanny and Minnie giving up claims to their brother's estate and saying that
00:46:43
they were going away together for a long time and that H.H Holmes could take all
00:46:48
the stuff on the estate wow and there's all this stuff about like whether he killed him it's not known it's hard to
00:46:56
find anything on Baldwin Williams or what happened to him okay but it's very sauce it seems to take the insurance
00:47:03
payout on them so yeah weird and while he was in Denver he met back up with a woman that he had been speaking to and
00:47:10
corresponding with for over a year while married to Clara Murda and pretending to
00:47:14
be married to many her name was Georgiana yoke oh that's a pretty name and he had been again talking to her for
00:47:21
at least a year before leaving Chicago He courted her very quickly and on January 17th he married her oh no as
00:47:29
Henry M Howard of Fort Worth Texas and did he actually marry her he married her okay Georgiana yoke was born October 17
00:47:37
1869. a lot more is known about her than most of the other victims I don't know why she was concentrated on more
00:47:44
um she had almost white blonde hair she had super blue eyes that were huge apparently apparently they were so big
00:47:51
that people thought something was wrong with her like they called it like a defect and I was like I love big eyes I
00:47:56
don't understand that back then I guess it's not part of being a classic beauty beauty is in the eye of the bill it
00:48:03
truly is but when she knew homes she was in her early 20s she had been working as a
00:48:09
school teacher in Indiana until early 1893. she actually just like really abruptly left her teaching position and
00:48:17
moved to Chicago to live with an uncle Chicago exactly before leaving that teaching
00:48:24
position I found this very interesting she had heroically saved children she was teaching from a burning School
00:48:31
building holy [ __ ] had run back in and saved them was AJ Holmes the one that Lit it on fire right you would think wow
00:48:37
that's incredible so she's just like a hero poor enough for Georgiana right I'm saying Georgiana right Georgiana it was
00:48:44
while she was in Chicago with her uncle that she met H.H Holmes they met apparently while she was working at the
00:48:52
cloak department at the fairgrounds [ __ ] got you a cloak uh she had also worked at a department store before that
00:48:57
on in the area but apparently Minnie was someone who came there a lot like Georgiana and Minnie definitely meant oh
00:49:06
that's weird yeah I don't like that yeah no I don't like it too close to home um
00:49:12
and like nearly all of the women that H.H Holmes ever came in contact with or anything else in his life for that
00:49:18
matter um his interest in Georgiana I mean she was beautiful yeah but it definitely had
00:49:24
a lot to do with money in 1893 the year that they met georgiana's grandmother had passed away
00:49:31
oh my God wait wait wait did she get an inheritance she sure did crazy she got a
00:49:37
160 Acre Farm in Indiana well [ __ ] so coincidence I think not no so of course when he left Chicago on the run from all
00:49:47
the insurance claims and debtors um he went to Denver and he knew exactly what he needed to do he needed to find
00:49:53
that girl he was stringing along and marry her to get her money he even told her mother that the mini property was in
00:50:00
Fort Worth Texas was left to him by his uncle false yeah false but strangely he said there was one condition of this
00:50:08
inherited land and it was that Holmes had to take on his late uncle's name Henry Mansfield Howard at some point was
00:50:17
somebody just like you're a [ __ ] liar that's that I'm like no one was like who
00:50:23
would ever make you take on their names like I don't want my name to die so yeah
00:50:27
you have to take my exact name the whole thing apparently georgiano was fine with
00:50:33
that like the strange name changing okay she knew him as H.H Holmes she also knew
00:50:38
a few of his other aliases she just kind of accepted that which is interesting um shows how Charming he could be when
00:50:45
he wanted to be that's the thing because to us we're like who the [ __ ] would believe but but like I would believe
00:50:50
that if somebody Charmed the pants off he's Charming these ladies now later in court she actually Georgiana took the
00:50:57
stand later in court spoiler alert she lives oh yeah so later in court she said that she believed that she knew about
00:51:06
the Wilmette woman okay talking about murder his other wife so she was like I thought she said I knew her I believe I
00:51:14
might have known about her but she didn't remember if he had said they were married or not and I was like that's
00:51:21
crazy Georgian I mean Minor Details wow I was like come on and at one point she was like yeah I mean like I he might
00:51:29
have said that there was a marriage ceremony but I just don't remember and it's like girl that's you know what I'm
00:51:35
here to say it that's not a girl that's not a girl's girl but newspapers at the time
00:51:40
um did and I'm like she was I think she got kind of railroaded in the newspaper so she maybe she was just
00:51:47
being like [ __ ] all y'all uh but newspapers at the time referred to her as an adventurous Spirit which in those
00:51:54
times those times meant a woman of loose morals yeah that's what that meant like
00:51:59
I consider myself like a free spirit but not a woman but back then it would be a
00:52:03
woman of loose morals so I think she was getting like [ __ ] on in the Press so she probably was like [ __ ] everybody
00:52:08
that's what it sounds like now someone who knew Georgiana and Fort Worth a man on my own he said something about her
00:52:16
that I was like wow all right I was like if anybody ever said that about me I'd be like wow that is I'm gonna like
00:52:23
chisel that on something oh maybe I'll say he called her a remarkably beautiful woman and he said it was one of those
00:52:29
winning attractive faces that you cannot get away from any more than you can believe the possessor capable of evil it
00:52:35
was this it was a fresh and beautiful face with the fine hopes and aspirations of Youth in it and one that once seen
00:52:42
seen remained in an indelible memory she wound her way unconsciously Into the Heart of everyone who met her she had
00:52:49
that way about her which takes hold of the roots of things in an instant she was as gentle and refined in Manner and
00:52:55
personal conduct as it was possible to be maybe it's Maybelline I was like damn yeah that's that's is this just like an
00:53:02
acquaintance that said that about you like holy [ __ ] sounds to me like an obsession I was like ah that guy liked
00:53:08
you liked you okay I have pictures of you hung up all around his home and maybe it's not a good thing he had a
00:53:14
crush on you or maybe more and the Holmes is landlord at one point called her the most beautiful woman he had ever
00:53:22
met damn so I was like Georgiana I mean I feel like a Georgiana just has to be pretty yeah and I mean the way they
00:53:28
described her giant blue eyes and white blonde hair yeah like [ __ ] like okay all right Elsa get out of my [ __ ]
00:53:36
face and he also said she appeared to idolize her husband and that he was also very enamored with her and he he said
00:53:43
that he was they were a very affectionate couple I bet so that's interesting now after leaving Denver
00:53:49
Holmes and Georgiana his new wife began making their way to Texas where he intended to claim that land that many
00:53:56
had transferred into his name or as far as Georgiana knew that the uncle had left him yeah the uncle whose name he
00:54:04
now used but before he did this they made a brief stop back in Chicago which I was like Reckless uh he once he was
00:54:11
there he got a new life insurance policy on Georgiana from the Fidelity mutual life Association of Philadelphia and he
00:54:19
took it out to ensure Benz Benjamin pyth cell's life for ten thousand dollars oh
00:54:27
[ __ ] it's getting not good up in here not good it's getting it's getting heat now he had he was very strategic about
00:54:35
this time in his life all the moves he made seem chaotic but they all made sense he was definitely moving from one
00:54:41
state to another just to avoid prosecution creditors but the trip to Denver was to
00:54:48
claim the insurance payout for the policy on Baldwin Williams's life he was able to claim that money uh the
00:54:54
trip to Chicago was done to tie up some loose ends take out the policy on piedcelle's life and then leave the city
00:55:00
forever and Holmes's next move to Fort Worth was to claim that land that Minnie Williams's uncle had left and that she
00:55:08
had transferred into homes and pied cells names unknowingly yeah but when's he gonna find the time to kill pythal
00:55:14
because I know that's what's happening here well what he was thinking was he was going to sell some of the land in
00:55:19
order to get a lot of cash really quick and then on the rest of the land he was going to build a new three-story
00:55:25
building a new Castle the Fort Worth murder cast does that happen that's what he was planning to do okay uh that's
00:55:33
where he was going to be where he planned that pied cell was going to join and they were all going to be part of
00:55:39
this whole scheme together yeah right now it's during this time in Holmes's life that Benjamin pyzel really came
00:55:46
back into the fold in a wild way obviously before he had gotten to Texas with Georgiana he said
00:55:55
son Howard who was 10 years old at the time oh no to start the whole inheritance thing because remember pied
00:56:02
cell can do that because the deed was transferred into his name yeah so he sends him get that started okay so we
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can have it going when I get there you little [ __ ] henchman now paitzel's life was definitely a lot of poor
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decisions one after the other I feel like it sounds like it he was a heavy drinker from an early age like we said
00:56:20
in part two I believe he had a long history of like Petty crimes um the one that he actually liked the
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one that we mentioned in part two he actually had to flee with his wife and four children to Chicago in 1888 ding
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ding ding that's where he met Holmes and the connection between homes and piedzel
00:56:41
doesn't really show up on paper until 1893 but that's when he became one of the bidders on Holmes's ABC copier
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company when it went to auction auction when he didn't pay any of the creditors okay but in reality we know from part
00:56:57
two that piedcell was part of Holmes's life much earlier than that during the construction of the initial Castle
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exactly so they were really playing a long game here making sure that no one knew that connection early on [ __ ]
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and there's a lot of speculation as to who did what who knew what when it came to what Holmes was doing but pyzel was
00:57:17
definitely fully aware of all the schemes and he was involved in a lot of them so we talked about in part two that at
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one point during the time when he was in Holmes's employee that pitzel had actually gotten arrested in Indiana for
00:57:33
passing bad checks I remember that and Holmes had bailed him out using bad checks yeah but he had bailed him out
00:57:40
and we know that Holmes doesn't do anything out of the goodness of his heart never does no he needed yeah he
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didn't do that just a few weeks after bailing him out of jail Holmes sent a letter to pyzel's lawyer asking him to
00:57:57
send pyzel a letter threatening him that he was going to be brought back into custody in Indiana
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he said quote he is not doing what he ought to in regard to transferring his house in lot
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and it seems that Holmes had been helping to support pyzel and his wife and children while he was in jail and in
00:58:15
exchange they had made some sort of agreement that he was going to sign over the deed to pietzel's house and land oh
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[ __ ] so this was a whole Arrangement he had he was only going to do this to get
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this and pyzel wasn't moving fast enough for him to get the [ __ ] done and he was
00:58:31
starting to question is he really going to do this so he was like I gotta play that card I'm gonna have his lawyer
00:58:36
threaten him and say that he's going to be arrested again it's also like did you
00:58:40
not see this coming dude like you're a con man he's a con man one of you he's gonna call him the other because that by
00:58:45
this point pyzel had been involved in so many of Holmes's schemes like very involved there's a lot on you deeds in
00:58:52
his name things being transferred around he's bringing him Victory I was just gonna say exactly he's doing all this
00:58:57
stuff he knew how this plays out for people right very rarely do people survive to the end
00:59:05
of these schemes with H.H Holmes it's always him standing alone at the end yeah with all the money all the Deeds
00:59:11
all the [ __ ] everything but all the credits so I don't know how he didn't realize
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but he I who knows if he realized that he would ever be a Target but at this point he was going to become a Target it
00:59:23
sounds like he was not just going to be involved he was going to be the actual they were going to be saying hey we need
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to have a dead body and take it out and get a false Insurance claim well they weren't going to get a fake dead
00:59:35
body this time ready ready and I'll say it for you I'm not gonna talk about her part three or we're gonna talk about
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that next week we're gonna talk about that in part four because when it comes to Benjamin beitzel and
00:59:48
his family and what happens next is just a lot oh [ __ ] and it's a lot to take in
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it's a lot to comb through and I really want to give it its own I'm starting to wonder if this [ __ ] is gonna be five
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parts I think it's gonna be four you think four I think four I'm gonna make it for it but part four I think is gonna
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be a doozy a long ones so everybody Buckle in because we're gonna talk about Jack the Ripper we're gonna talk about
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all that [ __ ] we're gonna talk about Pazzo I'm gonna talk about Pat cell we're gonna talk about law it's gonna be
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a lot we're gonna see what happens to Georgiana I was just gonna say yeah we're gonna find out how she gets away
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because I'm happy that she does yep she sure does and the blue eyes her in her giant blue eyes that they literally
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referred to as a defect and I was like [ __ ] girl what that's like of you um have you ever met Christina Ricci that's
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an asset like I'm obsessed with Chris like her big eyes I'm like oh Gorge love them absolutely gorgeous Sarah Hyland
01:00:41
come on you know your eyes like are the only part of you that are like as big like like when you're bored they stay
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the same size thank you yeah correct well anyways thanks for listening we hope you keep listening and we hope you
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