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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this morbid [Music] it's morbid it's morbid how are you I
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I'm doing great I'm feeling better actually I love that I'm feeling better too except I do miss my sultry voice we
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all miss our sultry voices I wish I could just recreate it when I wasn't sick like but there's there's no what
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you see like it doesn't work I was gonna try but oh I figured but it doesn't hurt
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the same yeah yeah that doesn't want my teeth can I have a second quinoa on your
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teeth no I'm done look at that cute little after snack they love a little after Smith just saving that for later a
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little green wall a little quinoa a little quinoa um not any business you got any
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recommendations for us today God oh man put me on the spot will you I mean your recommendation gourly I know I really am
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a recommendation Gorly none I don't know if I have any right now wow that's upsetting
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um oh there's somebody on Tick Tock I have a tick tock I knew if I said it it would start I was just thinking okay
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there there's um someone I follow on Tick Tock uh she talks about paranormal [ __ ]
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um some some true crime [ __ ] she talks about all kinds of spooky [ __ ] she's very smart she's very well spoken she's
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fun to listen to she's beautiful she's just cool her name is everything and I think her name on Tick Tock is um
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and let me double check it I think it's swamp witch I'll give you a vamp moment Bernard yeah swamp underscore witch
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underscore hell yeah and she's great and I just need to give her a shout out because I think I like like almost all
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of her videos that come through my feed I'm just automatically like like because
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I know I will like a bunch of spooky [ __ ] yeah she's just and she's really smart and she lives in a haunted house
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so you get to see lots of that stuff and she does she used to like tell stories from her home she does she gives stories
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she gives like she and she tells others like folklore and [ __ ] she's just really
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like fun to listen to so cam swamp witch hell yeah go get it I know what I'm doing tonight go flood swamp which is
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Tick Tock make her get the numbers no pun intended because you know what she puts in the work flood the swamp so [ __ ]
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yeah swamp wedge cam swamp which forever I knew I could pull one that's actually
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one that's been sitting in my back pocket for a while and I keep forgetting to plug her so start a list I'm actually
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glad you brought that up because I really wanted to plug her see here you said you were like you're putting me on
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the spot and I was like it's for a reason that's what it's for every season has a reason to turn turn I think I said
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that the wrong way around but it doesn't matter it sounded great thanks all right
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well we're in a part two right now so in part one we were talking about the very
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very tragic murder of Jack Tupper um it was like real brutal and we're gonna get a little more into it in this
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part it's so sad this is a really sad case so far it is because buddy is just like was born an [ __ ] yeah and I just
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feel really bad for Melanie and I feel really bad for Jack and his family like Jack had a lot of promise that just got
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completely robbed from him oh so when we left off in part one buddy had been harassing Melanie like crazy and then
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she came home one day after and the saddest thing about this too is that they were just about to get the [ __ ] out
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of here yeah they were making moves to get away from him she had signed a new lease that morning Melanie for her and
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Jack to move out and while she was gone signing the new lease buddy went and did
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whatever he did yeah but at the end of part one the universe caught up to him because he
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was sitting directly in front of a cop and um a bolo alert basically had gone out
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being like yeah check out this license plate and the guy was like Oh you mean the one right in front of me you mean
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this [ __ ] right here you mean this yellow Cadillac [ __ ] guy so he got arrested and when buddy was
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arrested he was in the company of a man named Salvatore giamo which checks he told the officer that he was just a
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hitchhiker and he had nothing to do with the crime but it was later learned that
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Salvatore was on Buddy's payroll and he worked as a general contractor on one of
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his buildings so they spotted the LIE there ah there it is there it is the prosecutor would later determine that
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there was a third man involved as well another Salvatore this one prenito I believe is how you say the last name and
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he had already been dropped off when buddy got pulled over so had he been pulled over a little earlier they would
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have caught all three at once right there that would have been the jackpot that would have been but still still
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good it was a jackpot yeah so at the precinct buddy told detectives that his employee referring to giamo he said he
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had come to his apartment earlier that day and suggested that Buddy buy his car from him so they took the car out for a
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test drive and according to Buddy the car drove so nicely that he just kept on driving yeah and that's how they caught
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him on the bridge that afternoon absolutely yeah I was just out driving just a joyride you know it just felt so
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good that I kept on driving that's my alibi I was just driving just driving things he was not willing to say more
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than that and he immediately demanded a lawyer so he was placed in holding cell while the police started looking into
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this story now while he sat in a Cell at the 43rd Precinct detectives went out to the
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apartment building in Queens to inform Melanie that Jack had died oh he had been murdered it's awful she was still
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actually with Jack's friend that she had called over earlier that day and she explained to the officer that got there
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what they had discovered in Buddy's apartment earlier that day and she actually pointed out a spot of what they
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believed was blood in the hallway outside of the apartment because if you remember in part one he had cleaned
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everything up including the hallway but uh you missed a spot yeah you never cleaned it all up no never
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this it's just like so sad to think that while she was off doing this that's what
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was going on so the following week buddy and Salvatore were charged with second-degree murder and both were
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denied bail and this is uh Salvatore pernito actually so Jack's autopsy was conducted the next
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afternoon but because his body had been so damaged and the fire and through everything that had occurred beforehand
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the assistant medical examiner had a really difficult time actually coming up with what the cause of death was so
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officially his cause of death was attributed to and this is a quote two circumcised round markedly depressed
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fractures of the skull the largest diameter of which is one and a half and the greatest depth of this depression is
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half and which I'm assuming now those two wounds which the medical examiner believed to have been from Hammer I was
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just gonna say that sounds like a hammer they caused obviously massive brain damage so they believed those were most
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likely the primary cause of death oh yeah it's to think what they did to him like
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I can't imagine and you probably just assume that these three guys just banged on his apartment door and dragged him
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out because remember his shoes were still yeah everything was still in the apartment all of his stuff
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in addition to the brain trauma there was a myriad of other wounds several of which would have also been fatal
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according to the examiner's report quote there are multiple lacerations and stab
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wounds oh my God mainly over the left side of the face and the left side of the head there are approximately 15 such
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wounds holy [ __ ] and then there were additional stab wounds on the Torso as well one of which pierced Jack's liver
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and then in addition to that there were multiple gunshot wounds to his upper body and his lower torso and finally
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there was the damage caused by the fire which occurred after Jack had died but this was complete Overkill so the
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bludgeoned stabbed shot and burned him yup oh my God and and like SLA like sliced
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at his face like his face was found with a bunch of slice marks all over it they
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just they demolished his body wow it's horrible that's terrifying so in the Press Conference held just a few days
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later investigators identified the victim and the killer while adding that other people were being sought in
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connection with the murder a spokesperson told reporters quote we don't know exactly where he was killed
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but it appears he was dragged from his own apartment and brought to Jacobson's Penthouse now they couldn't confirm that
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Jack had been killed in Buddy's apartment but investigators did say that they pulled a slug from a wall in
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Buddy's apartment that was a match for those taken out of Jack tupper's body odd so I don't really know why they
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couldn't for sure say that he had been killed there because maybe they think that because my thoughts were there was
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blood on the outside of the apartment maybe they think that they hammered him in his apartment and then dragged him
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into that apartment he could have already been dead and kept going yeah so when they shot him he could have already
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been dead it's so scary to think about now as far as anybody could tell the case against buddies seemed airtight he
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had means he had motive he had the opportunity to kill Jack he was known to have been obsessed with Melanie in the
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weeks leading up to the murder his apartment was literally riddled with bullet holes and Witnesses again as we
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know had identified him and his car as having been at the dump site in the Bronx yeah
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so a little over a week after Buddy's arrest a grand jury convened to hear the evidence in the case as well as
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testimony from multiple Witnesses and everybody was most interested to hear what Melanie had to say of course
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because she's the closest link here yeah and she testified for over two hours she
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gave all the details of her relationship with Buddy his possessive nature the desperate threats that he'd been making
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in the weeks just before Jack sparter and based on the evidence and testimony presented to the grand jury but he was
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indicted for the murder of Tupper and he continued to be held without bail so by
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September buddy had actually gotten himself a new lawyer Otto Fusco who assured his client that he was going to
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get him out of jail he wanted to get buddy out on bail awesome even though requests for Bill had already been
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denied six times since Buddy's arrest oh my God now later that month Fusco took Buddy's case to the state supreme court
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and he told Justice Louis cialfi I believe as I say it he had a number of alternative suspects all all of whom had
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reason to kill Jack Tupper and frame buddy huh like what but for one reason or another the
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Justice believed fusco's defense and noted that if there were indeed other suspects he said I cannot deny this man
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bail so he set Buddy's Bail at two hundred thousand dollars and remember buddy has a lot of money but I guess he
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wasn't pulling in that much at this time because he claimed that he was unable to
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pay that amount so he remained in jail so in the weeks that followed Fusco repeatedly argued with the district
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attorney in appellate court and was eventually able to successfully convince them to reduce the bail to a hundred
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thousand dollars that's insane so they cut it in half and Buddy easily paid that with a cashier's check and ended up
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being freed on October 18 1978. yeah that must feel great like when they're almost certain that he killed this man
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like ten times over literally bullet holes in his apartment and they're like yeah yeah it's fine let's get you out
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look around it's not a thing he was free on bail he wasted uh literally no time trying to go and see Melanie and when
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she made it very clear through the district attorney that she did not want to see him or speak to him but he
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allegedly paid Terry McCart one of the models for my fair lady a thousand dollars to convince Melanie to see him
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what but this made its way back to the courts and it was enough to convince the prosecutor to bring buddy back in front
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of the state supreme court and they argued that Melanie still felt like she was in danger obviously yeah and Buddy's
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Bail should be revoked now autofusco vehemently denied any risk to Melanie safety he told the court but
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he only wanted to meet with her to quote straighten out the time element of the case oh yeah and it's also like and he
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said he meant her no harm but it's like so he wants to go over timelines with her like I feel like that's a problem
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yeah it's like okay so we're all stupid that's what that's what we're going with
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that everybody around him is stupid like I don't understand why that why I don't
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want to give their story straight yeah like I think you're just arguing against yourself yes pretty much so after
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hearing from both sides just did Howard uh justice Howard goldfuss ordered Jacobson quote not to contact Miss Kane
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or have others do so and if he did again his bill would be revoked okay so they slapped him on his wrist and they said
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don't do that again don't do that little buddy stop doing that do it now even though the court was uh abundantly clear
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that his bail would be revoked if he reached out to Melanie again but he just couldn't help himself oh my God but this
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time he was more strategic of course because he didn't want to get caught so he started sending her Anonymous letters
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instead of implicating himself directly which is so much more chilling so much more chilling and these letters are
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weird in a letter dated November 20th 1978 he wrote no longer can you use the ex excuse me no longer can you use the
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excuse the criminal justice system will work that's what he wrote her what the letter
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basically implied that the district attorney had been trying to keep Melanie away from Buddy quote and he wrote
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Because a combination of your facts and jacobsons would destroy his case and he said it would be wise to stop letting
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yourself be controlled by others wow so it was very clear that it was from bunny but he's writing it in like a
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in another to try to be ominous in another tone exactly now another later dated December 6
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simply said Jacobson has harmed no one in his whole life which uh excuse me please watch out for the giant
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lightning strike that is about to come from the sky and smite you truly he said even if his love and affection for you
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may have dwindled this past year oh excuse me she left you I'm sorry what let the record State yeah he always took
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care of you and looked out for you I know he only wants the truth and the trial which will be many months from now
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maybe too late if you're having a trial isn't the truth going to come out one way or the other
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buddy Jesus he's so creepy I hate him and just that even if his love and affection may have dwindled dwindled for
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you like shut the [ __ ] up like weren't you just screaming in a hallway that you
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were gonna get her pregnant so fast she would have six children yeah but your affections had dwindled yeah I don't I
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don't know if we have the same definition of dwindled there sure about that you sure
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that so free on bail until the start of the trial buddy reveled in the notoriety he
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made sure to keep up appearances he was not letting anybody know about the financial toll that the charges were
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taking on him and he never relented in his campaign to contact Melanie but he did start dating a new Young model and
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made sure that he was seen out with her in all the same places that he used to take Melanie that's gross which he's
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clearly thinking that this is going to make her jealous which I don't know in what world you would be jealous that a
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girl is dating a man who murdered the man that you loved yeah and it's like who's this girl uh yeah get it together
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that's another story get it together and she just wanted a modeling job yeah wild
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so buddy carried on as the Playboy that he was and he hoped everybody still believed he was but all the while
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Melanie and the Tupper family were starting to wonder whether their faith in the justice system was misplaced they
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were getting worried that this wasn't going to go yeah it doesn't seem like it is especially because he's out on bail
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yeah he's just walking around they probably never expected that no I mean it's literally cut and dry here you look
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at that crime scene the witnesses you look at everything involved it's like how are you this stupid how how it's
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insane so when buddy was first arrested the case to them it appeared like we were just saying so straightforward and
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the evidence seemed so irrefutable that a conviction seemed inevitable yeah but just a few months later his ability to
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kind of talk his way out of apparently anything and now the endless stream of rumors surrounding the case had them
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worried that they might not get their conviction for him oh man Kevin Tupper told reporters I thoroughly believe the
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police and DA's office can handle people who shoot each other out on the street but I have a feeling that when they come
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up against a real attorney and then his voice trailed off before he could finish
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his thought he was worried yeah obviously and I don't blame him I would be too and the trial was still almost a
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year away and that's the crazy thing that they gave him bail knowing that he had a year to just walk around yeah and
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just do whatever he wanted I'm like that doesn't make any sense to me no it really doesn't but Melanie and the
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Tupper is reasonably believed there was still a chance that buddy could talk his
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way out of these charges but little did they know the case would take a turn but
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uh no one really saw it coming so in the 14 months that passed between Buddy's arrest and the scheduled start
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of the trial the New York City Press could not resist following every lead and every rumor related to The Deadly
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Love Triangle there was talk of among so many different things a drug deal gone wrong Mafia involvement and they also
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were starting to say that my fair lady was being used as what they referred to as a prostitution ring no which also
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like you're not supposed to say it like that that's rude that's rude that's rude
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now by the time the trial began in October 1979 state supreme court justice William capleman or kappelman excuse me
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imposed a gag order on everybody involved oh damn noting that the extensive and often Sensational media
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coverage might preclude a fair trial for Howard Jacobson remember Buddy's real name is Howard yeah so the media excuse
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me the order covered only those who were directly involved in the trial so the media was still free to continue
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reporting on the case but they would have to do it without any commentary from the participants in the trial okay
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now Buddy's lawyers Jack evsarov and Ben Epstein or Epstein immediately objected
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and they cited their clients First Amendment rights and they questioned the timing of the order but kappelman
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overruled them and the order was to stand no he spoke in generic terms regarding
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his motive for the gag order he said it was the extent of the media coverage but
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it's also very possible that one of the driving factors for the order was the number of interviews and impromptu press
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conferences that buddy and his attorneys were holding in the months leading up to
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trial because they were starting to try to spin a different yarn just a week or so before the order was put in place uh
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buddies to attorneys there reported that Jack Tupper was part of a major cocaine
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conspiracy oh damn and said quote he was killed by someone other than the defendant oh [ __ ] so now they're
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starting to now we're trying to smear Jack exactly and put doubt in potential jury members of course
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so by late October the trial had already been delayed several times because of different pre-trial hearings all this
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[ __ ] that was going on and then it again ground to a halt when Buddy's attorneys claimed that the DA's office
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was withholding evidence that would have cleared buddy if any wrongdoing oh according to Ben Epstein the DA's office
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had evidence that showed two known drug dealers were likely responsible for tupper's death but the two men he
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suspected quote had gone missing since the murder huh so he's like I have these two guys
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the only problem is um I don't have them that's not shady or fishy at all no not
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at all no that seems very legit it's like are you just looking for two random drug dealers to implicate in this right
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now and you just don't have them quite yet Perhaps so Justice kappelman reviewed the material and he overruled
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the motion and he said they're that his attorney that Buddy's attorney said would clear him he found that the
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evidence was insufficient to Warrant any kind of acquittal yeah of course obviously he was like why would you even
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waste my time exactly so Justice kappelman reviewed the material and overruled the motion that Buddy's lawyer
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said would clear him because um that evidence was I wish there was a better word than an insufficient because I feel
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like it was even so much more than yeah that's a that's a vast understatement yeah but it was insufficient to warrant
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in acquittal so additional delays followed and that was mostly because the defense was challenging literally every
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piece of evidence involved that they tried to enter ever I love that yeah it's not annoying at all no and there
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were other hiccups too there were two potential witnesses that received Anonymous death threats in the mail
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Jesus I wonder who those came from huh who do you think there no they're Anonymous Ash they're Anonymous much
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like Anonymous the letters that buddy wrote to Melanie yeah totally Anonymous yeah and then also one of the
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prosecutor's sisters actually was found murdered behind a Brooklyn bar oh my God
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however the murder was determined to be unrelated to The Jacobson case oh New York was wild and wow but when I read
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that I was like he murdered the process like okay but that's that's a lot yeah it was unrelated now after an unusual
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number of delays and pre-trial hearings buddy Jacobson's trial finally got underway on January 30th 1980. with Bill
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rabsky Prosecuting on behalf of the state and from his position at the podium he presented the jury with a
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simple story of jealousy and of course a love trial a triangle excuse me with a very tragic ending in which buddy
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Jacobson and Salvatore prenito murdered Jack Tupper and disposed of his body in that vacant lot now most importantly
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this wasn't just the same old or this wasn't just some story The prosecution had more than enough evidence collected
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from Buddy's apartment that directly connected him to the case this evidence included buddies clothes his eyeglasses
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and pieces of his carpet all of which had Jack's blood on them oh my God his glasses like oh that for me is
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terrifying I was just gonna say that is just something about that that's on another level because that that
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indicates a very close proximity oh that's really terrible and all just because Melanie didn't love him anymore
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and just because Jack was a good guy that was treating her nicely exactly and giving her the life that she wanted I
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just wish that they had been able to move out of that apartment before any of this happened oh it's so it's
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gut-wrenching so when the time came for the defense to present their argument Jack eversoft uh took the podium with a
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story that no one expected he told the jury Howard Jacobson is the product of a frame compounded by the inefficiency and
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incompetence by the authorities so he was trying to say the buddy was framed for this
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no which like I don't quite understand it's like please explain why they got his eyeglasses his clothes and his
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pieces of his carpet yeah that's that's a very intense frame job like somebody went into his home cut out pieces of his
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carpet got jacked upper's blood on them and then put them back yeah I guess so I
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don't see that happening yeah you don't what no that doesn't seem legit to you no I don't know yeah seems legit to me
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the attorney claimed that they would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Melanie Kane the girl of a thousand
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faces who had masterminded the entire operation wow like listen I love Mel I don't think she masterminded this entire
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operation and got that much blood evidence on all of Buddy's things that's also like wild when they just turn
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around and are like it's trying to ruin that girl's life like it's just like whoa all right they used her like title
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against her they called her the girl of thousand faces because she's a mom she's
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a model and she'd been called that before so stupid now according to Jack uh ebsor
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off I can never say his last name the murder wasn't he said the result of a love triangle but a quadrangle
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this man is going geometry no I was just gonna say do not bring geometry into this it's too late he did he said it
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included cocaine dealer Joseph Marguerite and the defense alleged that Jack Tupper was murdered over a bad
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cocaine deal with Marguerite and Melanie had attempted to frame buddy for it why would Melanie turn around and try to
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[ __ ] over buddy if this other guy killed the man that she loved yeah why would
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she do that that no no because they're essentially trying to make it seem like her love for
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Jack was not not really what we think it was like no I don't believe that it's like if that was the case but he's a
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well-connected guy yeah why wouldn't she just turn to him exactly and have him like [ __ ] over Joseph Marguerite and why
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would she get rid of Jack I mean wouldn't she just like be with Buddy if she wanted to be with Buddy yes that
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seems to be like the real question here is like but wouldn't she just be with you if she wanted to be with you and she
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didn't she made it very clear I think the men in this case didn't quite understand that they just can't handle
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it because their whole thing was that like he left Melanie that's like how it sounds no my friends but they said when
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the murder was committed in Marguerite's apartment which apparently had Buddy's Carpet in it I guess and his eyeglasses
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and his clothing absolutely of course they said buddy wasn't even there and the defense alleged he was just a 48
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year old fool who was in love with the woman of a thousand faces they really they knew they went for that they were
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like it's really good that somebody named her that because we can use that now it's like yeah he may very well be
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in like whatever you're calling love with her but again how did his [ __ ] get covered in Jack's blood no it's really
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not making sense nope make it make sense my friends this makes sense it's literally that guy just like you sure
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about that sure about that so despite their best efforts to convince the jury that buddy was not connected to the
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murder the evidence circumstantial and physical just uh wasn't on their side the math ain't math the math is not
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mouthing throughout her testimony and the testimony of others Melanie never came across as bitter she never came
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across as the vindictive lover that they claimed was framing buddy in fact when they attempted to sway the jury by
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showing several what they called exotic photos of Melanie exotic she had to interject to point out that at least one
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of the photos wasn't even of her it was of an entirely different woman are you kidding me she
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had to stand up in court and say yeah I don't know what this has to do with anything but uh also that's not me like
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wow that gal is real pretty that's not me thank you why are we showing those photos in the first place what does that
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have to do with anything but just the fact that she had to say yeah that's not me that how stupid can you look like
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true seriously you know in jury duty when the guy is when you're like how is anybody believing about this yeah it's a
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real lawyer here you go here we go here it is now the prosecution on the other hand very different story over there
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they had a mountain of evidence to support their claim that buddy was exceedingly jealous and possessive from
00:27:54
the moment that he began dating Melanie and all throughout and up to the start of the trial and then of course like
00:28:01
I've said about 55 million times there was the considerable blood evidence that place buddy at the scene of the murder
00:28:07
oh that and again the eyewitness this testimony from people who saw him at the dump site where was Joseph Marguerite at
00:28:14
the dump site yeah exactly and they also wrote down his [ __ ] license plate that's the thing they had the
00:28:21
forethought to write down that license plate number which yesterday when you said that I was like hell yeah those
00:28:27
people because honestly a lot of us wouldn't be able to remember it no or write it down which you should if you
00:28:32
can but it's hard yeah and sometimes you can't see it if things happen quickly it's like you don't think about it so
00:28:37
thank goodness those people did and it's like now you're pretty like this just wild it's so ridiculous guys you just
00:28:43
now you should start thinking about minimizing damage instead of trying to pretend that he didn't do it like go for
00:28:48
an insanity yeah like you should be really looking at just trying to like mitigate everything because there's no
00:28:54
way that you can say he didn't do it no so you have to figure out like why he like some reason why you're looking
00:29:00
foolish here you are and that's the thing if this were intended as a frame job it was a a very complicated one
00:29:06
orchestrated by some kind of criminal mastermind not a very very depressed and sad fashion model exactly that's just
00:29:14
the truth no so after 10 weeks of evidence and testimony the jury retired for deliberation on April 9 1980 and
00:29:21
after eight hours they returned to guiltic a guilty a guiltic they returned to verdict of not guilty in the case
00:29:29
against Salvatore panito and as for Buddy Jacobson the jury Foreman told the judge that they believed they were
00:29:35
unable to reach a verdict what I don't really understand that myself sorry jury can we talk real quick that's basically
00:29:42
what the judge said okay good he was like can you guys try again yeah he's like you know what give that one another
00:29:47
shot give it the old College try there was one person that was like I have a reasonable doubt you know what one
00:29:53
person I just want to talk what's what's going on what's happening but they tried
00:29:58
again and on April 12th the jury found buddy Jacobson guilty thank you of the second degree murder of Jack Tupper so
00:30:05
after he was convicted he was returned to a cell at the Brooklyn House of Correction to await his sentencing which
00:30:11
was scheduled for early June on the afternoon of May 31st he had a visitor there's somebody coming to say hey buddy
00:30:18
what's up yeah they checked in under the name Michael Schwartz and they said they
00:30:22
were an attorney and these two men sat and talked for a short time and when the guards came back to collect buddy uh he
00:30:31
was nowhere to be found oh oops we lost that inmate they lost that inmate who had just been convicted of second-degree
00:30:39
murder wow wow why is everyone really bad at their jobs right now what was this happening here like it was
00:30:50
was it even the 80s yet I don't even think no it wasn't even it was the height of the 80s guys get it together
00:30:57
could not find him get it together as far as they could tell the officials at the jail they the two of those men sat
00:31:05
together buddy being one of them buddy excused himself to go to the bathroom around 4 30 and simply never returned
00:31:12
man imagine if that's how you can get out of jail would you just like to go to the bathroom excuse me I just have to go
00:31:19
to the bathroom real quick and then you just never return you just walk out bye like bye everybody in his statement to
00:31:25
the Press assistant commissioner for the Department of Corrections Edward Hershey
00:31:28
told the Press Jacobson walked out of the visitors area using subterfuge and stealth and he did not leave the room
00:31:36
wearing the same clothing he walked in with okay but you're still saying to me that
00:31:42
he walked out of the visitors room at a prison using stealth it's like no you began that sentence by saying he walked
00:31:50
out of the visitors room which in and of itself kind of takes away all the stealth of it he just walked out of the
00:31:57
visitor's room but it wasn't just stealth it was also subterfuge as well like you're huge
00:32:06
he said no you know what not for me prison is not my bag so the way he murdered jacked upper and he just walks
00:32:15
out of that he's a vicious killer yeah vicious killer and this stalker and a stalker and like like he's a
00:32:23
terrible person truly and they're just like yeah you just let him walk out of the visitor center and then later you're
00:32:31
like there was a lot of subterfusion stealth involved I don't know about that you sure about that I don't know about
00:32:39
that sure about that I am not sure a spokesperson said of the man claiming to be Michael Schwartz the attorney he's
00:32:45
not given us any information at this point we don't even know if that's his real name or whether he's an attorney
00:32:51
wow if I was at this [ __ ] press conference I'd be like am I safe to live in this place I literally should I move
00:32:59
several Towns over I would be like what the [ __ ] is going on they're like we don't know uh anything like [ __ ] we did
00:33:07
you know it was the guy he said hey and we said you seem legit and we just let them in like he they're like oh you know
00:33:15
what they're saying they're like The Vibes were right yeah so we just foregone we just for went to any kind of
00:33:21
standard procedure that's fine our safety protocol because the Vibes were vibing when he came in they did a Jada s
00:33:29
they didn't even do a Jada Essence Hall and say look over there yeah they were just like yeah we don't even know what
00:33:35
his deal is yeah no luckily they eventually found out what his deal was oh good the man claiming to be Michael
00:33:42
Schwartz's attorney was in fact Anthony DeRosa a sometime resident of Westover Vermont
00:33:49
um and he was also the man who several years earlier had bought Buddy's steak in the ski lodge oh [ __ ] the ski lodge
00:33:57
comes back yeah isn't that funny the ski lodge makes a camp a cameo I bet you thought that the ski lodge was gone
00:34:02
forever I did it I was ready for her to come back here she is I said we didn't see the last of her Vermont Vermont I'm
00:34:08
coming uh Vermont Loca where you been so De Rosa had been one of the potential Witnesses interview interviewed by the
00:34:16
defense before Buddy's trial actually but both attorneys found that he seriously lacked credibility and they
00:34:22
decided not to call him the defense who sucked ass was like this guy sucks more ass this guy sucks the most asses well
00:34:31
he lacks credibility he lacks credibility you should so it turned out that after
00:34:37
initially buying into the ski lodge to Rosa quickly ran out of funds and found himself I really love this expression
00:34:44
quote deeply in Hawk deeply in Hawk AKA dirt to money but it's a much better way
00:34:51
to say I'm enough oh man I'm in hot I'm in Hawk to Buddy deep in Hawk oh I am going to be ever in your Hawk wow I like
00:34:58
that I like it it's h-o-c-k not like oh yeah okay I don't know if Hawks they call but I don't either but so that's
00:35:07
why he was willing to lie for buddy on the witness stand to help him Escape because he never really paid back his
00:35:13
debts for the ski lock because he was in Deepak so you know let me just let you escape from [ __ ] prison on your
00:35:18
murder charge that's fine he's like and then we're we're Square after that I mean if one thing will get you square
00:35:24
that's definitely it will also get you into a lot of [ __ ] trouble because DeRosa was
00:35:30
charged with Escape hindering prosecution burglary criminal facilitation criminal and pers
00:35:36
impersonation and possession of a forged instrument I mean the fake ID that he used to check in at prison oops oops
00:35:46
like you might want to be in Hawk now now you're in high school that's no good so he was ordered to be
00:35:55
held on 500 000 bail oh damn he was not getting out of there I was gonna say I don't think you're leaving no in
00:36:02
February 1981 he was convicted of the charges and he was sentenced to one to four years in prison for his role in
00:36:08
Buddy's Escape was it worth it let me work it no no even Missy was like nah she was like no I won't put my thing
00:36:16
down flip it and reverse it she's like I don't have time for that in this positive case so the DA's office placed
00:36:21
several people in protective custody because remember at this point he's convicted but they have no [ __ ] idea
00:36:27
where buddy went oh yeah you've just let a shark out of the cage and there you go
00:36:31
they have no idea what he's trying to do they were worried he was gonna kill people he believed to be involved in his
00:36:37
prosecutor in his conviction excuse me yikes so people were put into protective custody and those people included
00:36:43
obviously Melanie Melanie Justice William capleman or chapelman and one of the witnesses who ended up testifying
00:36:49
against buddy damn but luckily their fears were misplaced but he hadn't just fled Brooklyn he had left New York State
00:36:58
entirely and fled to California oh he yeah he was like Skies Are Always Sunny there you go he's he's looking to you
00:37:07
know surf some waves yeah I catch 10 I said he can also catch time such a California after he hangs it he can
00:37:14
catch it yeah you know yeah we're definitely not from New England at all no what are you talking about
00:37:20
It's Autumn we're like oceans Vibes so according to his attorney buddy escaped quote in an effort to find new
00:37:28
evidence to vindicate himself for the murder of John Tupper absolutely sir he went to California to find that why
00:37:36
would that be in California because why are you asking questions okay don't worry about it it's ridiculous like you
00:37:42
don't need to know the method of his Madness okay they're like We Know Jack Tupper was murdered in um New York City
00:37:49
absolutely about 3 000 miles away from California but the evidence to vindicate buddy yes was 3 000 miles away in
00:37:57
California absolutely I don't understand what the question is here I'm confused yeah it makes a lot of sense to me yeah
00:38:02
you know you know the math is mapping for you yeah for sure absolutely as far as investigators could tell after
00:38:08
escaping from prison buddy was met by his girlfriend he literally had a girlfriend at this point wow Audrey
00:38:14
Barrett and his son his son David who drove him out of the area damn later that day buddy stole a car
00:38:22
from one of the My Fair Lady models his own like fam there he is wild he's the definition of wild and he and his
00:38:30
girlfriend made their way to California camping out and checking into motels under aliases along the way wow and once
00:38:36
he arrived in California buddy quote got into negotiations with a real estate agent in Northern California to buy
00:38:42
property oh this [ __ ] thought he was just gonna go to property and be selling Sunset yeah absolutely sir what
00:38:48
so ultimately though it was Buddy son David that led to his recapture oh I kind of absolutely love that I
00:38:58
absolutely positively love that love it it led to his recapture six weeks after fleeing New York good for him because
00:39:05
from the moment buddy escaped detectives started following all of his friends all
00:39:10
of his relatives all of his associates nearly Around the Clock in fact at one point David Jacobs and the son there was
00:39:17
being followed so closely by the police that he pulled over to the side of the road walked back to the police car and
00:39:24
said all right let's use the same car and save gas oh my God I love it he was like you know what he's like you know
00:39:30
what why are we killing the planet here let's save some gas he was 25 at this point and he had actually run into some
00:39:36
legal troubles troubles himself probably because I'm his father abandoned him yeah there's that so he was offered
00:39:41
immunity in exchange for information leading to the capture of his father which he accepted on July 9th David
00:39:48
arranged for his dad to call him that afternoon and the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office had placed a tap on
00:39:54
David's line obviously and they were like listen you need to keep your dad on the phone as long as you possibly can
00:39:59
yeah the trace took nearly 20 minutes which is kind of crazy to think about because I feel like they must happen a
00:40:06
little faster now I you know I would think so but I honestly have no idea yeah I don't know really how that works
00:40:12
and the interesting is to say yes but I would think some things are still so slow they are but eventually the phone
00:40:18
company was able to identify the incoming line as being a pay phone outside a Diner in Manhattan Beach so
00:40:25
the D.A relayed the information to Manhattan Beach police and Buddy was arrested that same afternoon hell yeah I
00:40:31
said got him wow so when he was arrested he confirmed his identity but he wouldn't say anything else to the police
00:40:38
of course not now the next day he was temporarily transferred to a jail in La before being returned to Brooklyn the
00:40:45
next day and days later in an interview with reporters he claimed he had been betrayed by quote someone I had confided
00:40:52
in someone I trusted emphatically and that he said was the only reason he was recap he was captured like someone you
00:41:00
trusted emphatically try someone you abandoned as a child yeah you forgot about that yeah sorry I should add that
00:41:05
in there's that small part that's the important part of the equation exactly so by the following spring buddy was
00:41:10
tried alongside Anthony DeRosa for the escape and given a sentence of one to seven years to be served concurrently
00:41:17
with the life sentence that he was given for the murder of Jack Tupper wow so life plus one to seven years you're not
00:41:24
getting out definitely not now in the years that followed his recapture buddy he kept asserting his innocence he never
00:41:30
would admit that he did anything to Jack of course not he did he insisted that he
00:41:34
had been framed forever no in an interview with the LA Times he repeated his earlier claim that Melanie had
00:41:40
manipulated her cocaine dealer boyfriend into killing Jack who was also her boyfriend and and then the two framed
00:41:48
him for the murder I don't see it no one else did so I don't see it as evidence he cited the
00:41:55
one hold out on the jury who after the trial told reporters they wore me down there's a reasonable doubt that he did
00:42:02
it no where is that can you show it to me yeah just can you produce that reasonable what is the Reasonable Doubt
00:42:09
I just don't see it now when the reporter suggested that his escape from prison might have only made him uh look
00:42:14
more guilty but he replied but the only reason I ran was to be free I hadn't done anything I was the same as those
00:42:22
hostages in Iran ah you sure about that that's the overstatement of the century I don't know about that buddy sir
00:42:37
um sir you know what I do know about that that's a no we all know that you are a drama [ __ ] Queen are you
00:42:45
kidding me that's a lot that's not helping your case from no that's hurting your case yeah you're gonna look like an
00:42:50
[ __ ] you've never looked like anything else but an [ __ ] as for his feelings toward Melanie but he claimed
00:42:56
he had no ill will for her he said I don't think Melanie lied in court she was too dumb to lie she was sick she had
00:43:02
hyperglycemia what is hyperglycemia have to do with lying he's like you know what she had to
00:43:11
eat a cracker she's dumb she's stupid and she didn't eat a cracker it's like what the [ __ ] guy
00:43:16
that precludes you from lying that's like such an old man thing to say she's stupid and she was hungry you're like
00:43:24
that's what the [ __ ] buddy like damn correct what the [ __ ] buddy and also shut up stop talking about it yeah
00:43:32
everybody stop asking him questions about her don't put her [ __ ] name in your mouth exactly but he believed that
00:43:37
Melanie was manipulated by the district attorney and the police who he said wanted to pin it on him in order to
00:43:43
close the case so now he's away from the fact that Melanie framed him he's saying
00:43:49
it was the police who wanted to pin the case on him for evidently no reason at all okay cool and like did the witnesses
00:43:55
that's how your the car that you were in they also were they part of this Grand conspiracy They too had hyperglycemia
00:44:01
they too needed a [ __ ] cracker they were stupid correct so there's that wow so in 1988 buddy Jacobson was diagnosed
00:44:09
with bone cancer oh yeah and prison officials at Attica suggested moving him to a secure medical facility for
00:44:15
treatment but by he refused okay he was not for that he told his sister during a
00:44:20
phone call they want to send me to a county hospital they want me to go there and die
00:44:24
well you might not be wrong on May 16 1989 buddy Jacobson did die okay at the Erie County Medical Center in Buffalo at
00:44:33
58 years old damn yeah following the trial Melanie Kane she tried to continue modeling but she found that the
00:44:40
notoriety surrounding the case made it way too difficult for her to find work but a short time later she did marry and
00:44:48
she started a family and just hoped to put the murder in her relationship with Buddy behind her damn and then Jack
00:44:54
Spore family was just left to clean up the pieces of his absence yeah oh all because buddy Jacobson is a giant
00:45:04
[ __ ] [ __ ] because he couldn't just [ __ ] move on he could have like that woman said in the beginning he could
00:45:10
have had nine girls 13 girls yeah he had no shortage obsessed with this one girl
00:45:16
and ruined her life and the man she loved and this girl was very upfront with him she Melanie was like I don't
00:45:22
like you no so let it go move the [ __ ] on and the thing was he could have had her but he treated her like [ __ ] when he
00:45:29
had her so she was like let me go find someone way [ __ ] better than you in every way humanly possible
00:45:34
precisely but yeah it's just such a senseless case in the way that they just over the overkill in this case oh that's
00:45:43
horrific that's so sad it really does feel like a mafia style murder because it's so brutal and gruesome yeah I think
00:45:54
buddy had some connections they just like that there's just so much Overkill that it just feels like a different kind
00:45:59
of situation a little bit yeah I definitely think that there were some connections yeah just something going on
00:46:05
there especially how how powerful buddy was in New York you know what I mean there's some kind of like something
00:46:11
going on there oh it's awful it's really sad um maybe we can cover how something like
00:46:16
haunted next or creepy I think uh up next we're gonna be talking about um a witch trial oh hell yeah that's
00:46:24
haunted and creepy and not the one you know so well we know a couple at this point yeah I'm excited about that yeah
00:46:31
let's [ __ ] go girls it's a crazy one we'll see you on I think it's like Thursday or something yeah on Thursday
00:46:35
hell yeah look at me knowing when we were hell yeah well we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it
00:46:43
weird but that's so weird that you um lie a lot and kill people because I don't like that don't be this guy just
00:46:50
go eat a cracker yeah don't be dumb and hungry I guess yes [Music] foreign