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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid I was just struggling no I am
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okay can I can I just talk about myself for a second never never I was going to say this is mermaid instead of morbid
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because I went to like a I think it's called a white elephant uh like secret it's not like a secret sand it's like a
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white elephant spot um and I got this sexy mermaid uh ornament which I have pictured here wow Drew just put it on
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the Christmas tree are we sure we're calling that a sexy mermaid or yeah are we calling a slightly disturbing mermaid
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yeah he's sexy look he's ripped he's a sexy mermaid what do you think Michael you guys are never on my side
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whatever he's my sexy mermaid in my heart okay I got number one at the white elephant and I actually got to pick that
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out of all the gifts yeah well they were Silly gifts so that was the best one in
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my opinion yeah I wanted him what a Yankee Swap uh Del light it was great that was it was fantastic I love it I
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loved it it was I never done like a silly uh swap before and this one was like the silliest one that I ever did
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the silliest of all the swaps yeah my brother-in-law has a new Finland and hi Caroline and Michael um you were looking
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off into the distance when you said that and I thought Caroline and Michael just
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like materialized next to me I was like right there where are they you don't see them hi are they in
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the room with us right now do not see but my brother-in-law they put a bunch of uh his his dog's hair into a bag and
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he put like a sewing kit in there and he was like make your own New Finland sweatshirt that's funny Dy there was
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like a a half drink bottle of soda that somebody won so yeah I picked the sexy mermaid okay all right quote unquote
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sexy Mar SE he's sexy he's sexy so yeah I was going to say this is mermaid like the moral of that story you
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might have also been feeling it because of so much talk of the sea that Alena's an aquatico now we all I think you guys
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know me by now we're like five years into this um that I hyperfixate and when I hyperfixate I really go hard on my
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hyperfixations like John John can feel them coming he like senses it in the air yeah like he feels a vibration and he's
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like what you hyper fixating on today no I can feel it for my house sometimes I'm
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like oh she's got a new one she's got a new one my latest hyperfixations uh involve the sea Aqua which I've been
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I've been moving in that direction for a while ever since swimming against that curtain yeah I mean it's I mean it
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started long ago with the Titanic we all got hyperfixated on that for a little bit okay it was like just me no I feel
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like everybody had that moment in their childhood like for me second grade there
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it was like when you could start reading articles was on the computer in computer
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class they would like teach you how to do that and I read a little like article about the Titanic second grade for you
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yeah what was last year for you I was like a grown ass adult when we could yeah no it was second grade it was like
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a big ass computers yeah mine was when they brought um they called it the big piece and it was like a big piece of the
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Titanic Oh my God and we got to go see it and the Museum of Science and we got you could you like could literally like
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put your hand I don't think we should have touched it but we did you touched it yeah and it and it had like um one of
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the one of the port holes I think they're called like those circular Windows cuz it must have been like a
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lower part of the ship was still intact in there oh how old were you did you have representation elementary school
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and they just said touch that well we just went in a line and like I would say my representation is not here yeah I
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don't know I'm not touching that they they were I mean they were they didn't force us to touch it like they weren
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like touch it but I think we just like Titanic like I don't think it was part of the whole thing have you suffered
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great misfortunes in your life n I'm good it was I I touched it I was like I'm going to touch that but I'm not
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going to go down to the bottom of the sea and touch that that's for sure that's different but it's that that's
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where it all begins really is when you should have a healthy respect and fear of the ocean some of us don't get that
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but like most of us do and I then all of a sudden I think you're all probably with me cuz I think everyone is you're
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on North Sea Tik talk right now oh ABS [ __ ] of course you are y like as soon as that starts I'm
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like well I'm watching this till the end weirdly I don't know what the [ __ ] happened I got on North Sea Tik Tok
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immediately after my wedding like I just started getting there maybe I I had been
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on it so maybe my vibes shifted over to perhaps and then also maybe your phone heard me on North Sea Tik Tok a lot and
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it was like she likes that that's probably part of it and then actually I answered my own question on our
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honeymoon we were really interested by the boats that coming and going to the point that Drew literally downloaded a
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boat tracker onto his phone and I'd be like what's that one what's that one I love that yeah but that's like I got to
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know who the who the people that are working in the North Sea are yeah cuz I keep seeing these videos and I'm like
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are you all are you okay what happened you must like I feel like that's like when you're like you're in trouble no I
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think that that no the that's like they that's their job that no but like you should like you should be in trouble if
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you if you have to go to the North Sea like that should be a punishment absolutely that should be a punishment
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but these are just like men and women who are like I this is my job the B my the office is swimming next to the
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biggest propeller you've ever seen in your life while the sea rages around me and I fix that propeller I can't even
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hear that sentence without losing my marbles or like I'm fixing this light underneath the ocean while it rages
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around me and drowns me a 100 times and I'm like I got I got to shake one of your hands like I got to just be like
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what did you see did you see the one that I got the other day where they were like pushing the biggest ships in like
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the whole entire world out to sea for the first time that [ __ ] me yeah you know I don't like the big things watch
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structures yeah it stresses me out I think it was the North Sea page put that posted that all right well here we go
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now if you guys are listening to this I think I'm now going to make you be on North Sea Tik Tok cuz you're your
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devices are going to think they're going to hear me talking about it and they're
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going to think that's something you like so I honestly you're welcome because it's a great place to be and you will
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find yourself being like yo and the last clip will shock you always it's always going to shock I don't know why that
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makes me laugh so hard it usually does so the whole thing shocks me usually it's the first clip for me I'm like I
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feel like you should have swapped this to the end but you know what luckily my story is on land today I'm happy about
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that luckily but it's not a really lucky story on land it's a pretty terrible one
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uh but it's on land so we're out of the sea um we have an we have a little bit of an old timey crime here but my
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goodness is there a lot happening here it's old timey Cy this is the murder of Mary Stannard and I looked up the
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pronunciation to say it because I thought it was stenard at first but it's Stannard I could see why you would think
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that now on the afternoon of September 3rd 1878 22-year-old Mary Stannard left her home
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in Madison Connecticut what's up Connecticut hey CT telling her father she was going to go Blackberry picking
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because that's very 1800s Connecticut I love that um she said she was going to be back by dark so don't worry about it
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and night came and Mary had not returned so her father went out to look for her and eventually found her body by a Creek
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in the woods her father found her body yes and it horrifically oh the investigation into her murder
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was truly wild I mean wait there's a there's a preacher involved oh there's adultery an elicit Affair oh there's a
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possible pregnancy there's all kinds of things so and it remains technically unsolved to this day
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allegedly but it doesn't allegedly yeah I mean they're all dead everybody's dead
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and also when you hear this you're going to say yeah yeah yeah yeah I could tell
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by the by The Gleam in your eye over there that salous is happening this is the most salacious all of this isn't
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that such a good word it has a good mouth feel it does have a good mou uh so let's talk about Mary okay Mary
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Elizabeth Stannard was born September 3rd I don't know if that sounds familiar to you yeah she she died on her birthday
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oh God September 3rd 1856 in Madison Connecticut also we love a Virgo we do love a Virgo I love a Virgo we love
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Virgos I have a Virgo Dave a Virgo Caleb's a a Virgo my aunt's a my in my chart I'm sure I do somewhere
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uh but Madison itself was a small town of about 1500 residents on the Southeastern coast along the Long Island
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Sound uh not a ton is known about her life prior to becoming an adult because it was the 1800s she was living a pretty
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by by those standards unremarkable life you know like just a very normal just average life uh but Mary at the time she
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was killed Mary was living at home with her father again she was 22 um her father was Charles stenard or no I said
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it the way I wanted to say it first standard standard and she was also living with her steps sister Susan Holly
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and Mary's 2-year-old son William okay uh there's very little information about Mary's mother but several newer
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newspaper articles claim that Mary's quote mother and grandmother were insane oh that's sad uh from the Hartford
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current okay now Mary had given birth to a child William mhm uh she was unmarried
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and in the 1800s that's already kind of a little little black mark there and she was also
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refusing to name the child's father oh okay so there were rumors around town that the father was a married man in a
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nearby town and when you find out what happens later you're like uh oh but this meant that Mary was not held in the
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highest of social regards yeah but shockingly and this is pretty shocking for this she wasn't a complete Pariah
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she was considered a quote unquote Fallen Woman by those who at that time were trying to claim their own [ __ ]
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didn't stink uh moral superiority [ __ ] you know was like rampant still is rampant everybody tries to pretend that
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their [ __ ] doesn't stink would they want to [ __ ] on someone correct uh but so she
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gave birth to what they considered and I hate the term illegitimate child you know because it's like that's a child
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but they're pretty legit I see them and although that kind of thing was undesirable especially back then most
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most residents actually believed quote in their estimation she had been more sinned against than sinning wow and she
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was generally treated fairly surprising with a reasonable amount of respect considering like she wasn't again held
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in high social regard but she was not treated shittily like [ __ ] as shitty as you've seen in the we've seen in other
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cases where it's like she might as well be like thrown in the river at that point 100% yeah but like many rural
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people especially at the time Mary was poor she was uneducated but generally she everybody thought she was very
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cheerful she was friendly she was a very hard worker and it was said that she was
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quote ready at any time to do any labor no matter how menial that would result in her being able to contribute to the
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family fund that herself and child should not become a burden so she's kind of like a boss [ __ ] who's going to work
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hard for herself and her family that's what I'm getting she's she's got that and she seems nice she's friendly she's
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cheerful you know she had a little oops like situation I don't know if it was a married man that was the rumor and you
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know what rumors n and you know what she got William out of it so she seemed happy she was a great mom and she has
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like a nice little fam yeah and she had a great dad and stuff and Mom and everything that was going to take care
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of her now again had she gone past her 22 years she would have probably gone on to lead a pretty you know fairly average
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life like so young unfortunately she had to come and meet Reverend Herbert Hayden in the summer of
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1878 I'm going to go out on a limb here he sounds like a douche Herbert Hayden Hayden not interested well let's talk
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about him shall we so shall we Herbert Hayden was born in 1850 in Taunton Massachusetts Girl by Mike everyone just
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looked at be in the room girl girl bye listen I used to live there I could say that it's true I no longer do but
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yeah he was born in Taunton my God my friends used to call me taunt Ash when I would get mad taunt as
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oh the Taunton of it all well that's where Herbert Hayden came from yeah that checks but at the time Taunton was
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actually a thriving mil toown yeah Taunton was like gorgeous it's pretty wild what became of ton and he you know
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Hayden spent or Herbert spent had a very ordinary childhood and a very modest home very normal okay in 1869 he
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attended the Providence conference seminary in East Greenwich Rhode Island and around this time Hayden met Rosa
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Shaw who was a school teacher from Carver Massachusetts Cava Cava kid Cava right next to Plymouth there you go
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Plymouth is in here too I know it is I knew it you know so they fell for each other you know the school teacher the
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guy going to you know Seminary Jesus Place Jesus place they fell for each other and the two became engaged and
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eventually married in 1971 is that allowed in 1971 1871 100 years later they married I was
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like sure sure sure could he even get married though yeah you're like but I don't care I was like cool Back to the
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Future he's 150 that's awesome can he actually get married is he Immortal yeah there's certain there's all kinds of
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different uh like I think it's certain like certain pastors can get married I think it's all different okay okay
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like priests can't different like steps of spiritual leaders not even steps I think it's certain like offshoots like
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it depends on your religion it depends on your congregation it depends on your your place so many Logistics yeah
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there's a lot of different things and I don't know all of them but I know that this in particular was okay okay um now
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according to Herbert Hayden just one year before they were married Rosa lost her mother and her sister to
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tuberculosis oh [ __ ] and her doctor predicted Rosa might also succumb to that disease within the year but he
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recommended maybe a change of scenery to a less polluted environment just to help
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out okay cuz remember they're in ton of course there's tuberculosis in ton so the couple ended up marrying in August
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1871 like I said not 1971 you're going to do it again I was 100 years later um in Plymouth Massachusetts yay said let's
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go see that rock but they went and returned to East Greenwich so Hayden could continue his education and it was
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a good place for Rosa to kind of like chill out for a minute now over the course of two years that followed uh
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their marriage Rosa gave birth to two children and while Herbert continued his education uh completing his Seminary
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training in the spring of 1873 um he graduated from the conference SE Seminary and then enrolled at Wes I
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think it's Wesleyan College in Middle Connecticut yeah totally and Rosa stayed home and raised the kids uh hey really
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wanted to complete the program but the workload and his part-time Min like Minister duties essentially became a
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little too much for him to handle and he began a long battle with really extreme
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fatigue that kind of prevented him from keeping up with his studies like he just
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couldn't keep up with it all he was running himself into the ground out of six semesters he only completed about
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two semesters worth of work so he really gave up THS down he really gave up quitter now he accepted that he was no
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longer going to be able to meet all his responsibilities so he dropped out and in 1875 he accepted a part-time position
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preaching on Sundays at the church in West Rocky Hill Connecticut got it that was a small community between Hartford
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and Middletown the position at Rocky Hill was supposed to just be like kind of a temporary thing um he intended to
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kind of parlay it into something more longterm but this worked for now um cuz it was helping to pay the bills so like
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why not and it's in your your line of work that you want to do right right and after one year at Rocky Hills he was
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transferred again to Rockland and then transferred again in 1877 this time to replace the minister
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at a church in Monroe Connecticut so the position in Monroe was had better pay and it seemed like it could really turn
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into something more permanent but there was a problem it was nearly 50 miles from his home in Rockland oh [ __ ] that's
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that's a far drive yeah and especially in the 1800 so it made sense for Herbert to spend the majority of his week in
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Monroe to kind of handle Church business and you know not have to do that commute
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all the time so this left Rosa though at home alone with the kids a lot and again
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this position held promise for Herbert's career but it meant Rosa was left alone
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and like that's a lot to put on her and it was like five or six days out of the week she was completely alone yeah and
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that's putting a lot of distance in between them as a married couple too yeah and she was she was kind of
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recovering from like almost having tuberculosis anyway so she's already like kind of dealing with stuff and the
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of her mom and sister yeah like she's dealing with grief all that stuff and the Stress and Anxiety were starting to
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make her ill at this point and because of this the couple because he had this new job decided that they were going to
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hire someone to help her around the house with the kids and so they hired a young woman and this young woman was
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Mary Stannard she lived she lived on a farm with her father just a few houses down from the Hayden so it worked out
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now by late 1877 Mary had moved into the Hayden's house and was working like five
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or six days a week with them like just you know helping with the kids keeping the house like helping with meals and
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she was even more necessary to the family when at the end of the year Rosa became pregnant again with their third
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child oh wow and although she was very much an indispensable part of the household as far as Rosa was concerned
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by by March 1878 several residents of Monroe began noticing that uh although Rosa found her indispensable it seemed
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like Herbert really liked Mary it was coming home more often yeah within a few weeks of her being hired on a fulltime
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by the Hayden quote there were scandalous stories of meetings in lots and other unfrequented places in the
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evening where Herbert and Mary would be alone uhoh it was unconfirmed of course uh but later it kind of was but there
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was a popular story shared around town that one evening Hayden took his wife out for an oyster dinner and halfway
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through the meal he excused him himself briefly to return home where he was quote guilty of improper intimacy with
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Mary before coming back to the restaurant you take your wife out for oysters and then your raggedy ass goes
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home to your mistress are you kidding me yeah that was a story around take me on a date to
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get oysters which like there's implications there already yeah you know yeah and then you go home because the
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aphrodesiac is hdden and you go [ __ ] your mistress what the [ __ ] no the mistress that's taking care of our kids
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yes yeah what yeah I'm saying no now and then and then poor Rosa is sitting there
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afrodesia acted up yeah's already done with nowhere to go yeah she she should find someone else Herbert sucks now it
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also should be said right away that as far as anyone knew the attraction between Mary and Herbert was mutual and
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they had a very consensual relationship like it um and again this is shocking for the time few people really thought
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bad L of Mary for her participation in the affair and actually when it came to responsibility for the infidelities many
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around town noted that Mary and and this might have been part of it I think cuz I
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was really shocked to see that everybody wasn't blaming her not because I think they should just blame her but because
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that's usually the way it goes especially in the 1800s like it still goes like that now yeah and it's like in
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the 1800s it was like you don't even blinking eye it's of course it's her fault but apparently Mary was very
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easily influenced by others and was likely very susceptible to Hayden's charms because in fact when it came to
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Mary it seems like everyone kind of had a fondness for her because they deemed her quote a very simple and easy- minded
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girl okay now that doesn't necessarily mean she was like cognitively you know that like cognitively anything was wrong
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here I think it just means that she was like you know innocent she's innocent she kind of grew up uneducated she's not
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very worldly yeah and she's very easily influenced and there I think yeah and um so I think
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people were like a little easier to for like quicker to forgive her of her social missteps I should say uh but
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Herbert Hayden denied the affair with Mary and he maintained his innocence until the day he died you where the [ __ ]
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did you go during that uh aphrodesiac dinner so we'll never know what caused their Affair to eventually come to an
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end which it did or will we but whatever the case by late spring their romance had died out and when Rosa gave birth to
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the couple's third child in August CH remember he was carrying this on while his wife was pregnant yeah that's good
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Mary had moved out of the Hayden house and stopped working for them I wonder why we don't know I wonder do you think
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Rosa caught wind of something and was like you get the [ __ ] out of here well we'll see okay um she ended up moving in
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with Jane Studley near uh in nearby Guilford it was Jane Studley a friend to whom uh Mary first confided this affair
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with her okay after two about two weeks of moving into the home Jane noticed that Mary seemed
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very despondent she was like super emotional she could be set off a lot easier and it was not typical of Mary
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she pregnant and so when Jane asked what's wrong with her Mary broke down and confessed that she and Hayden had
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been having an affair and that she had been quote criminally intimate with the Reverend and now believed she was
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pregnant I was going to say those emotions criminally intimate criminally intimate that would be a [ __ ] awesome
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band name we are criminally intimate like that's [ __ ] great somebody name your Band F please do or good a good
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book criminally intimate would be a great book I would pick that up and never put it down listen up book talk
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that's your next book criminally intimate you shouldn't tell anybody that I know never mind well you don't really
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write smuts I I do not criminally intimate is a smut book yeah and I give credit to smut writers because like I
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don't know if I could no I feel I feel right in the face just I know if I could like I'm like good for you man because I
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could not it's the inner workings of somebody's mind right there so like shout out to smut authors yeah that's
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but but Jane herself had some medical knowledge and uh and she definitely knew I I I'm not sure exactly how like she
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had so much medical knowledge but she knew a lot about pregnancy she maybe she was a midwife or knew Midwife had some
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kind of interest in it but Jane examined Mary and she said she found quote well recognized signs of
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pregnancy um the text that we found this in isn't super specific about it but together the two women did the math and
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determined that Mary was about five months pregnant five months yeah and this fell in the time frame that Mary
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and Herbert were carrying on an affair damn that's pretty far along yeah so although she was known to be what like I
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said earlier people thought of her as a woman of lower than average intellect I say uh Mary knew giving birth to another
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child out of wedlock with a married man um a married preacher no less was about as undesirable An Occurrence as she
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could imagine like this was definitely not a good thing and Not only would it be a significant and unavoidable source
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of Shame at the time and probably alter or really end a lot of her relationships
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with family and friends like this was a biggie yeah um but it would also be just
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another what she considered undue burden on her father who was ALS also struggling and was trying to keep you
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know her and her son afloat so she was feeling like she was becoming an issue which is sad Mary so desperate for a
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solution Jane suggested that Mary go to Herbert Hayden to explain the circumstances and ask for his help uh
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basically reasoning that he would have to be just as invested in dealing with this as she was like we have to come up
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with a solution here you would think and Mary agreed that this was a good idea but before doing that that she sat down
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to write a letter to her sister Susan and included in the envelope another letter that was intended to be given to
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Herbert Hayden in the letter Mary told her sister Susan about the affair the possible pregnancy and asked that she
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give the letter to Herbert Hayden now according to Mary the letter she wrote to Hay him was a similar explanation and
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a a request that he take her to New Haven quote for an operation and then to return her to Mrs Studley for any
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sickness that might follow okay now Mary mailed the letter to her sister in Rockland and she got it 2 days later but
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by then Mary had returned home to her father's house and intercepted her sister before she gave the letter to
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Hayden cuz she was like I want to give it to him in person actually okay she just changed your mind yeah now a little
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after 1 p.m. on September 3rd 1878 her 22nd birthday oh Mary stard gathered up her tin pil and left the house she told
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her father she was going to go to Big Rock about a quarter quarter mile from the house to pick blackberries and she
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would be home soon that afternoon the sun went down it was getting darker and Charles Stannard Stannard became
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concerned he had she hadn't come back that wasn't like her um and so he set out in the direction of big rock to find
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out where she had gone and as he made his way through the brush into the clearing by Big Rock Charles made the
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gruesome Discovery Mary was lying on her back with her arms folded neatly across
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her chest she had a clean white Bonnet that she was wearing when she left and it was folded neatly beneath her head
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and her tin pale was just a few feet away overturned but there was no evidence that any berries had ever been
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in it so she didn't even make it there and so Charles ran to her and quickly realized that he was not going to be
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able to bring her back Mary's throat had been cut severing the jugular vein kateed AR artery and the larynx oh my
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God brutally cut deep she also had a severe head wound there was a hole in her scalp what and there was also a
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large bruise on the back of her right hand oh my God so she was brutalized absolutely so Charles freaked out ran to
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the nearest home for help that of Francis Mills and the News spread across the village very quickly and before long
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a group of men had assembled at the Mills house and they set out for the scene uh they discovered Mary's body in
00:28:25
the woods where Charles had told them in a quick of the area turned up no nothing
00:28:29
else really of note um no instrument of murder no no instrument like because it seems like there was two different
00:28:36
things used like something to cut her throat and probably a blunt instrument that hit her in the skull neither one
00:28:42
was found and because it was nearly completely dark at that point and at this point it had actually started to
00:28:48
rain oh no the men called off the search for the evening and just carried Mary's
00:28:52
body back to the standard home before sending for justice Henry Stone and Dr Rufus matthewson Dr Matthews was the one
00:29:00
who performed the autopsy in his postmortem examination Dr matthewson confirmed that Mary's cause
00:29:06
of death was pretty certainly that wound to her throat yeah he also noted the wound to the right side of the head and
00:29:13
he said quote Jagged and star-shaped and apparently made by a blunt in instrument
00:29:18
truly interesting though was that according to Dr matthus Mary's body showed no signs of pregnancy or of
00:29:26
having been recently pregnant interesting and the state of the body indicated quote an outrage was
00:29:33
not committed upon her so no sexual assault okay so she was not pregnant so this all could have been avoided it's it
00:29:42
sounds like yeah horrifying now a Coroner's inquest was immediately called the following day and it was overseen by
00:29:48
Justice Stone and Dr Matthews um among the first witness called was Francis Mills who was the owner of the home
00:29:55
where Charles uh stanner had run to after discovering Mary's body and uh Mills told the jury that she had been
00:30:03
walking out in the woods earlier with her son around 300 p.m. in the afternoon and heard agonizing shrieks and
00:30:11
recognized the voice of Mary standards but didn't approach the scene and didn't see anything why so you heard agonized
00:30:20
shrieks and you were just like you didn't tell anyone I'm going go about my business like I'm just going to leave
00:30:25
like I like I understand not wanting to like run in the like you know to put your son In Harm's Way and all that
00:30:30
you're not going to tell anyone like hey I heard some [ __ ] in the woods like we
00:30:33
should probably go check that out she really said not my chair not my problem she really did but Mill's testimony led
00:30:40
many in the inquest to speculate that she quote might have been outraged by and this is a quote by a [ __ ] and then
00:30:46
murdered o now Dr Matthew how however dismissed that theory and reminded the jury there was no evidence of sexual
00:30:54
assault she was not outraged quote unquote okay now almost immediately after the body was discovered rumors
00:31:00
started swirling around town about Herbert Hayden's possible connection to this murder MH after all for the past
00:31:08
year there had been a lot of talk about the illicit romance between the two yeah
00:31:13
and then Mary's employment with the Hayden had ended rather abruptly but it was Mary's sister Susan Holly and
00:31:20
Charles Stannard her father who offered the most insightful of testimonies I would say now according to both of them
00:31:28
Reverend Hayden had come to their home around 11:00 a.m. on the morning of the murder bch he was in town and he and
00:31:37
Mary had gone out for a walk when they returned Mary told them both that they had made an appointment to meet later
00:31:45
that afternoon mhm not far from where the body was discovered right additional testimony from Susan and Jane Studley
00:31:54
revealed that Mary had confessed her affair with with Hayden to both of them and that she believed herself to be
00:32:00
pregnant with Herbert Hayden's child now when asked about this Herbert Hayden denied having met with Mary a second
00:32:07
time that day he said he had been out cutting wood all afternoon all by himself and didn't see Mary again until
00:32:14
he and the others went to the woods to retrieve her body what a great Alibi a great Alibi is one that no one can
00:32:20
confirm or totally no one saw me but I was there I was in the woods alone by myself the whole day
00:32:28
secluded just chop chop solude now after hearing two days of testimony hedger Charles stard who or Stannard no
00:32:37
relation by the way Charles Stannard is her father this is head juror Charles Stannard who is not related that's crazy
00:32:45
uh he went to justice HB Wilcox HB Wilcox I have feelings oh I have feelings sorry wait who HB wi the
00:32:55
judge he's the Justice yeah okay and so this head this this head juror requested that an arrest warrant be
00:33:02
issued for Hayden Herbert Hayden duh the the request stunned Justice Wilcox who was a member of Hayden's
00:33:11
church instead girl bye he said he insisted he said he had quote heard Hayden preach a very good sermon it did
00:33:21
not seem possible the minister could be guilty and he would rather sign his own death warrant than that arrest warrant
00:33:27
against Mr Hayden blink blink blink blink blink now luckily against his protests the arrest
00:33:36
warrant was signed that Friday morning and a sheriff because they were like [ __ ] off well also don't you think that
00:33:41
would be like like you know how jurors get dismissed for being uh too close to the case wouldn't you think that would
00:33:46
be a conflict yeah back then I don't think they believed in conflicts I think they were just like huh n n [ __ ] it
00:33:54
Whatever as we'll see because it gets worse I had a feeling um so a sheriff's deputy went out to Madison I don't know
00:34:01
why I said Sheriff Sheriff's deput sorry I don't really know what happened there
00:34:06
a sheriff's deputy went to Madison and placed Herbert Hayden under arrest for the murder of Mary Stannard although the
00:34:14
evidence against Hayden was at this point pretty circumstantial and opinions kind of heavily were influenced by rumor
00:34:21
at this point yeah um belief in his guilt was pretty widespread one repor wrote yeah one reporter wrote the
00:34:29
circumstances of the murder were so overwhelming against the clergymen that surprise was Express that he was not at
00:34:36
once placed in custody and the reporter then wrote of his guilt as the case appears now there can be very little
00:34:42
doubt and it looks as if he was led through fright to commit the crime of murder and yet did it in such in so
00:34:48
bungling a manner as to make it almost impossible for him to escape suspicion and arrest damn so they're like this
00:34:55
[ __ ] idiot like that's what they're saying now the public and at the very least the Press might have been very
00:35:01
confident in Hayden's guilt at the time but far more important in this case was the judge's opinion and in this case the
00:35:10
judge on the case was Justice HB Willcox I had a feeling our friend and also he's
00:35:16
not my friend a friend and staunch advocate of Herbert Hayden's innocence which seems seems fine seems so legit
00:35:25
can we call anyone else literally and go outside and grab the first guy you see and I think that'll be better like come
00:35:32
on the trial began September 10th and was held in the basement of the Madison um town hall and it was a space
00:35:39
described as quote low ceiling stifling dirty room almost a seller why don't they have a courthouse cuz you know the
00:35:45
1800s of all the [ __ ] so judge come over to this basement and let's judge this
00:35:49
man judge H Lind Harrison was acting on behalf of the state while LM hubard the local postmaster was was acting on
00:35:57
behalf of Hayden that's real close to Were Real uh they were Wy back then for real now will Cox again was the
00:36:04
presiding Justice and it should be noted that although he had legal training he had no trial
00:36:10
experience sounds like where are we sounds like this is a well-oiled machine I think it's going to turn out fine yeah
00:36:17
everything will be great so the rumors about Herbert Hayden's affair with Mary went a long way to people drawing
00:36:23
conclusions about his guilt but that wasn't the so or even the most important reason he was arrested actually it was
00:36:29
the testimony from Susan Holly and Charles Stannard regarding Hayden's supposed appointment with Mary on the
00:36:35
day of her murder that was the most suspicious yeah and in her testimony and the fact that he didn't have an alibi
00:36:41
his Alibi was like I was chopping wood alone in the forest right no one can you get me a bear to tell to like you know
00:36:48
corroborate this no no no I can't now uh so in her testimony during the inquest and during the first trial Susan Holly
00:36:58
her her sister explained that after Mary's first visit with Hayden on the day of her murder her sister claimed
00:37:04
that she had told Hayden of the supposed pregnancy so in that first meeting where
00:37:09
they took a walk she had revealed to Herbert Hayden that she was pregnant and he told her not to worry that they would
00:37:17
go to the pharmacy and get a quote unquote quick medicine that would end the pregnancy now further testimony from
00:37:24
other residents confirmed that Hayden had gone to the pharmacy on the morning of the murder and purchased a quantity
00:37:33
of arsenic quick medicine I bet I don't know if I would call it medicine per se now during his testimony Hayden said
00:37:42
well of course I did that my house and barn are overrun with rats I had P purchased the Arsenic to Mi mix with
00:37:50
sugar and kill the rats okay however he insisted he had not yet used the Arsenic
00:37:56
he had used it to kill the rats and as far as he knew it was still in the package in his barn okay so he's like I
00:38:01
didn't even open it and he made sure to say that which I was like that wasn't smart cuz we can figure that out later
00:38:07
now the second piece of compelling evidence was a bloody knife that they discovered during the search of Herbert
00:38:14
Hayden's property did he also use that on the rats F following his arrest authorities searched his home in the
00:38:20
adjacent Barn where they discovered a bloody knife about the size and shape of that which was believed to have made the
00:38:27
wound in Mary's neck like [ __ ] you brought that home the neck the knife was sent to MC white a professor of
00:38:33
pathology at Yale medical school who conducted extensive tests on the blood I love this because it's very 1800s
00:38:40
because it's like it went to Yale University where they they conducted extensive tests on the blood he just
00:38:46
like what he said was I think it's human blood that's so extensive and I didn't just make that up that's a [ __ ] quote
00:38:53
from the New York Times in 1878 that's when he was called to testify Professor white confirmed that it was blood and he
00:39:02
told the prosecuting attorney quote I think it's human blood I have a feeling I just and I'm like I get it it's the
00:39:09
1800s I'm surprised they could tell it was blood and not jelly but like still white explained that he had made a
00:39:17
similar examination of the blood stains found on Mary's Bonnet that that Pure White Bonnet that she worn and those
00:39:23
discovered on a large Stone found near the B and said he quote had no doubt that this
00:39:29
Blood on the stone was human blood so he could definitely tell that that was human blood a few days later Herbert
00:39:37
Hayden's wife Rosa took the stand to testify for the defense come on told the court when her husband went out that
00:39:46
afternoon to chop wood he left the knife in question with her quote to use in peeling pears while he was away here
00:39:55
peel these pairs in the me according to Ros glads human ACC a human pair human and
00:40:04
Professor white is like I'll do some extensive testing and I'll be able to tell you that I too think it might be
00:40:12
human me thinks now according to Rosa Herbert Hayden had cut his finger with that knife a few days prior to the
00:40:18
murder and that likely explained the blood on the blade [ __ ] you were going to use that to cut peirs I know I was
00:40:22
like that's gross that's nasty now additional testimony was provided by the defense's own expert Professor LJ
00:40:28
Sanford who gave extensive testimony regarding the testing process and it all did little to explain the presence of
00:40:35
the blood like how it got there yeah but it was long-winded and complicated enough to raise doubts in in uh
00:40:42
Professor White's testimony yeah so he just confused the jury that was his whole aim he was like science science
00:40:49
science science biology biology biology and the were like ah I don't know what that is and at the same time that
00:40:58
testimony was being given in the court H Lind Harrison lobbied to have Mary's body disinterred and have the wound and
00:41:06
stomach be examined more thoroughly mhm Harrison's request came in light of the fact that not only had the knife been
00:41:14
discovered in the barn and can now be compared to the wound they were like we need to get her back so we can compare
00:41:19
it um but also after the prosecution learned from that Hayden had purchased a large quantity of arsenic poison from
00:41:26
the local pharmacy just days before the murder the defense objected strongly because they were like we can now test
00:41:33
her stomach contents right and the the defense was like No And they were like why though and
00:41:39
they were like he's he's a preacher he can't afford additional legal fees that were going to acrew while the state puts
00:41:45
this hold on the case to exume and examine the body okay and judge Willcox being a friend and having no sympathy or
00:41:53
affinity for the prosecution agreed with the defense and refused to pause the case but he said you can exume her I'm
00:42:01
just not pausing the case so we might find him innocent while you're doing your tests while you figure out like
00:42:07
indubitably that he did this wow yeah wow now so they're not going to pause the case could get to the end of it
00:42:14
before they even get Mary out of the ground and try to make these like literally The Smoking Gun discoveries
00:42:21
right but he's like yeah I don't care nah during the inquest in the first trial a great deal of information came
00:42:26
to light that the prosecution really believed warranted further investigation before any Court could reasonably
00:42:32
determine guilt or innocence they were like we're kind we're having a lot of stuff come up that like you do need to
00:42:38
pause so we can go through all this and this included an like we said an exhumation of Mary's body to examine
00:42:44
stomach contents and that neck wound and as well as several statements and claims
00:42:49
relating to the knife and to Hayden's whereabouts on the Afternoon Of The Murder it was just too much coming out
00:42:55
that was like this is Shady now judge Wilcox however yeah he refused again to adjourn
00:43:02
the case to allow the further investigation and on September 19th 1887 Willcox announced that he had heard
00:43:09
enough he wasn't even going to let it keep going according to Willcox a close friend and defender of the accused
00:43:16
remember bye the prosecution had presented a largely circumstantial case that was easily explained Away by the
00:43:22
defense regarding the knife he Wilcox said quote he himself had at that moment a knife in his pocket which must have
00:43:29
been full of blood resembling human for he had recently killed a dog with it and
00:43:34
a dog's blood resembles that of a human being this man killed a dog and we're listening to this [ __ ] why did he kill
00:43:41
a dog with a knife [ __ ] this guy what the hell [ __ ] this guy judge wiox [ __ ]
00:43:48
you what sitting there being like this guy's fine he's innocent so he's innocent I don't give a [ __ ] I'm not
00:43:54
going to listen to anything also uh I have a knife in my pocket that I [ __ ] murdered a dog with so I could also be a
00:44:00
murderer and it's like why don't we put your ass on trial then what the [ __ ] are
00:44:03
you doing serious killing dogs out here in these streets what the [ __ ] [ __ ] judge will there Supreme Court at this
00:44:10
point well then will can we go somewhere else this court sucks the 1800s of it all but will Cox went on to say that Mrs
00:44:17
Mrs Hayden Rosa Hayden's testimony was further proof of Hayden's innocence because quote he didn't think she would
00:44:24
tell a falsehood to save her husband from The Gallows I don't think like go to bed judge wiox go to
00:44:33
your room shut up it's like are you Kidd this woman won't you don't think she'll
00:44:37
get on the stand and tell a falsehood to save her husband and father of her children Gall father of her three
00:44:44
children whom she needs him to provide for you're you're like ah n who would do that what lies nah she's a religious
00:44:54
woman he's like secret secrets are no fun I don't think she would do that she doesn't like those like what the [ __ ]
00:45:01
what like and everybody and all these men were just sitting there going huh yeah uhhuh absolutely he's like she she
00:45:09
pinky swore to me that she'd tell the whole truth and nothing about the truth we we spit Shook on it yeah she G she
00:45:15
flashed a peace sign and I thought that was pretty great so and you think that's
00:45:21
the worst [ __ ] you've heard the last thing that I'm going to tell you I'm not even there yet but the last thing I will
00:45:26
tell you in this thing is going to blow your [ __ ] mind get out of here get out of girlfriend willox told the crowd
00:45:33
assembled in the courtroom let me say from the testimony no no let me say from the testimony given
00:45:44
that if I were ass sure of heaven and eternal Felicity as I am of this man that this man is Guiltless of the crime
00:45:50
of killing Mary E Stannard I should rest content so he's saying if I was I am more I am more sure that this man is
00:46:01
innocent of this crime than I am that heaven exists wow cool and I would rest content if I was as sure that heaven
00:46:09
exists as I am sure of his innocence and it's like what did this guy what's he got on you like what what the [ __ ]
00:46:16
going on I'm like what what's happening like you see are you two having are you two having an affair with preacher I'm
00:46:25
just will Cox what's happening yeah do you guys get together on the weekend just be honest I don't know I'm just I'm
00:46:30
just wondering I'm asking for a friend cuz he's just like he innocent I love him I mean he's innocent and they're
00:46:35
literally like here's the bloody knife found in his barn no it's not no me too I have bloody knives like it's just like
00:46:42
you are shut up like you're trying to like it's getting real bloody knives everywhere we all got them and it's like
00:46:48
no no no we don't yeah I don't know about this brother he's uh he's wild and with that the charges against Herbert
00:46:57
Hayden were discharged and he was allowed to leave the court a free man what the [ __ ] now at the time of Herbert
00:47:04
Hayden's arrest public opinion was generally that he had killed Mary Stannard and gotten away with it after
00:47:11
being told that she was pregnant that's what everybody thought um the prosecution offered a strong and
00:47:16
compelling case that presented motive her pregnancy in their Affair y means the bloody knife discovered in the barn
00:47:24
his barn y and opportunity the appointment in the woods they had literally laid out motive means and
00:47:32
opportunity clearly for everybody and they had a wealth of damaging testimony to go along with it bit he bought
00:47:39
arsenic that morning the defense on the other hand presented a rebuttal that included basically some murky scientific
00:47:46
jargon that they probably just pulled out of their ass but mostly relied on the assertion that Hayden simply
00:47:52
couldn't have done this because he's a minister and his wife wouldn't lie totally that's literally the case they
00:48:00
rested on no you're not this guy is a minister or preacher and his wife she's so pretty she wouldn't lie yeah that's
00:48:10
it and they were like sounds good and like the prosecution's like we have literally the perfect case so sorry did
00:48:16
the jury even make the decision or did the judge the judge just was like he was just like all done I've heard enough
00:48:21
what was the point ofar him and again well one of those arguments is clearly and objectively much stronger than the
00:48:27
other uh the charges were nonetheless dismissed by a judge who from the very start was convinced of Hayden's
00:48:33
innocence and not only resented even having to preside over this case in the first place but resented the prosecutor
00:48:40
for what he believed was an unjust unjust and [ __ ] up attack on his friend and a beloved preacher of the
00:48:48
town so while the charges against Hayden were dismissed at the time hn Harrison remained convinced of of his guilt and
00:48:56
that's the prosecutor he was like [ __ ] that like I know this is true and he refused to let will Cox's [ __ ]
00:49:02
decision biased decision prevent him from continuing to pursue the case which like good on him he believed that Mary's
00:49:10
statement to her sister about quote quick medicine referred to the Arsenic purchased by Hayden on the morning
00:49:16
morning of the murder agreed and Harrison arranged for Mary's body to be exed he was like [ __ ] that I'm still
00:49:23
going to look I'm going to still do this investigation family deserves to know like without a doubt what happened and
00:49:28
not content to leave the second examination up to the count the county doctor he was like I don't trust anybody
00:49:34
in this [ __ ] place he going to DIY Harrison arranged for the second postmortem examination to be conducted
00:49:40
by pathologist MC white and S SW Johnson the chair of the chemistry Department also from Yale so the two Yale pathology
00:49:49
uh professors he was like I trust them in their examination of the contents of Mary's stomach the pathologist
00:49:56
discovered quote a mass of unabsorbed arsenic which they claimed was quote enough arsenic to kill the whole
00:50:06
community of Rockland oh my God they found the arsenic in her stomach they found all of the arsenic in
00:50:18
her stomach and then he slid her throat as well yep by white and Johnson's estimation there were roughly 50 or 60 G
00:50:28
of arsenic in Mary's stomach but she had likely ingested more and some had already been absorbed prior to her death
00:50:36
oh my God it doesn't take a ton of arsenic to kill an average siiz adult I looked it up in Grand like the FBI is
00:50:42
probably like coming to my door tomorrow they're like hey can you stop in GRS at
00:50:46
the low end of the dosage .14 five grams can be lethal wait and I'm sorry how much was in her 50 or 60 gram and they
00:50:55
believe there was more that had already been absorbed what the [ __ ] that is and
00:50:59
that's on the low end of the do dosage but even one point .145 can be lethal and that is less than only 1/8 of a
00:51:08
teaspoon is a lethal dose holy [ __ ] yeah yeah I am dumb struck right now and it was during the SEC this second
00:51:19
autopsy that another surprising Revelation was made relating to Mary's belief that she was pregnant
00:51:26
although there was still no evidence to suggest that she had recently been pregnant okay during the examination of
00:51:31
her reproductive organs the pathologist discovered several ovarian cysts which they said explained quote had only
00:51:40
mimicked the symptoms of early pregnancy oh so that explained they said that's why she believed she was pregnant it
00:51:47
wasn't her making it up right cuz that that was another thing that was starting to oh she made this [ __ ] up to keep him
00:51:52
to like take him away from his wife and they were like no no she she was experiencing symptoms that at that point
00:51:58
especially mimicked early pregnancy and they weren't how were they to tell like you just go off of symptoms back then
00:52:06
yeah and the argument that she was saying that she was pregnant because she wanted to keep him is stupid because she
00:52:11
literally had written a letter where she was like I don't want to do this I don't
00:52:15
know what to do like I'm going to be shunned like this is not I me to happen leaning more toward I would not like to
00:52:20
do this again now when white and Johnson reported their findings back to Harrison
00:52:24
he took their their report to Superior Court Judge Hitchcock and Culver I was like there's got to be another Court cuz
00:52:32
this one is Jak F I'd like to trade it in they immediately issued a warrant for Haven's arrest again and he was taken
00:52:41
into custody by sheriff's deputies and delivered to a cell at the jail jail house in New Haven the following day
00:52:47
reporters noted that as he was being transported to the jail quote Hayden was as smiling and talkative as on the day
00:52:53
of his trial what the [ __ ] cuz he thought he was like I'm not they're not going to get me cuckoo nut
00:52:59
in between the dismissal of charges and his rearrest Hayden had managed to gain considerable sympathy from the residents
00:53:06
of Monroe particularly those in his congregation yeah of course who viewed him as a victim of an overzealous
00:53:13
prosecutor and after the first trial ended the congregation passed quote resolutions of unqualified and continued
00:53:20
respect for brother Hayden as a man and Minister among other things the resolutions claimed quote his late
00:53:27
arrest was made on the most criminally frivolous grounds and was therefore a great outrage upon him in society at
00:53:34
large and it noted that his arrest was due only to quote Wicked designs of evil men and the resolution closed with a
00:53:42
pledge by the congregation to continue their unconditional emotional and financial support unconditional you say
00:53:52
so this man conned that entire invest congregation into also paying to support him through this murder trial where he
00:54:01
is so [ __ ] guilty it is outrageous he's a dick hole now the general support for Hayden was pretty Broad and the
00:54:11
resolution was specifically kind of signaling that there was a huge shift in what was going
00:54:16
to happen here before it was like pretty broad that everybody was like yeah I think he did and it makes sense like
00:54:22
here's the motive here's the means here's the opportunity they like he might have done this but we don't give a
00:54:27
[ __ ] well and everybody's like no I think you guys are just mean no way it's like's God so and that's because
00:54:33
everybody's now reframing Hayden as a Pious and morally righteous victim in what was essentially described as a
00:54:40
battle between good and evil now are you [ __ ] kidding me where he is good and they are evil for sure and as such
00:54:47
Herbert Hayden entered into a second trial for the murder of Mary Stannard as a kind of uh like folk hero and a victim
00:54:55
of a government system determined to pin a murder on him that he did not commit I
00:55:00
don't know about that why do you have arsenic in your possession and she's got it in her stomach rats you went to get
00:55:07
it that morning I need to know more about this pack I know it's coming back now while Hayden sat in jail awaiting
00:55:12
his second trial Harrison and a small group of investigators continued building their case against him the exam
00:55:19
and second autopsy had not only allowed them to confirm the Arsenic and Mary's stomach but also meant that they could
00:55:25
take a sample so they could compare it to something oo and the problem was however that Hayden claimed he hadn't
00:55:31
seen that packet of arsenic since he purchased it and the initial search of the barn hadn't turned up any arsenic
00:55:38
yeah cuz it was all [ __ ] gone now upon rearrest and remember he said I never even opened that pack he made he I
00:55:44
remember offered up that information that he had never opened that package now upon rearrest they searched the barn
00:55:51
a second time and the Arsenic was located empty only after the defense ended up having to give Specific
00:55:58
Instructions as to where it could be found so it was hidden as well the packet of arsenic from the barn was
00:56:04
turned over to CM white for analysis and was confirmed to be opened and to have the same chemical structure as what was
00:56:14
discovered in Mary's stomach dude come on and it was [ __ ] hidden it was hidden hidden and opened when this man
00:56:21
said I never opened it and it's just sitting in my barn and as the same chemical structure as the kind in Mary
00:56:27
stomach and was [ __ ] 60 Gams missing pretty much so for a variety of reasons unrelated to the case Hayden's trial was
00:56:34
actually delayed repeatedly and nearly a year passed before the second trial even
00:56:39
began in early November 1898 and during the first trial Witnesses for the prosecution like Susan Holly and J you
00:56:46
know um Jane Studley they were all kind of regarded with sympathy because they had just lost a loved one in a very
00:56:54
gruesome way like Charles stanard they were all treated very nicely this time however the public opinion had swayed in
00:57:01
Herbert Hayden's favor remember and the public including the judge and defense attorneys had no sympathy for anyone
00:57:09
that they believed was participating in the persecution of this Minister on the stand and in the Press Witnesses like
00:57:16
Susan Holly and Charles Stannard were belittled in court and portrayed to be ignorant laborers of low intelligence
00:57:23
now wow Herbert Hayden on the other hand was held up of a man of culture and strong moral and religious character
00:57:30
while his wife Rosa was treated as though she were the real victim here having been robbed of her husband for so
00:57:37
long baby he robbed you of him yeah he robbed a woman of her whole [ __ ] life and William of his mother ex exactly and
00:57:46
Charles of his daughter yeah and Susan of sister and as he had done the first time around Harris presented the jury
00:57:54
with a strong case built on scientific evidence and witness testimony science he established they're like science I
00:58:01
don't know her no I don't know her he established the relationship between Hayden and Mary reminded them of the
00:58:06
motive in the case and more importantly gave incredibly compelling evidence that
00:58:11
connected Mary's death to the Arsenic and the knife discovered in Herbert Hayden's Barn right and it was the
00:58:19
scientific evidence that was the Lynch pin of the entire case and Har Harris went out of his way to include expert
00:58:25
testimony from several Pathologists at Yale many of whom recreated their experiments in the courtroom before the
00:58:35
judge and jury just to make it like drive it home unfortunately while such scientific evidence might seem
00:58:43
irrefutable to us now to a 19th century jury in the confusing like in this whole
00:58:49
case witchcraft this confusing stream of jargon and Strang looking lab instruments that were brought in just
00:58:55
confused the hell out of them Y and according to one press report at the time this is wild oh God no quote at one
00:59:03
time during the examination five jurymen who had finished their inspection were reading
00:59:09
newspapers which were spread out before them but no one imagined they were reading reports about the
00:59:17
trial they're just reading newspapers while this is happening come on like yeah you can't make that [ __ ] up even
00:59:27
and it's G to get worse how when it came to the argument from the defense Hayden's loyer Samuel Jones presented
00:59:34
more or less the same case that was presented during the first trial the strong scientific evidence presented by
00:59:39
the prosecution was treated that it was like it was mystical gibberish further muddying the jury's understanding of the
00:59:46
Arsenic analysis he just confused them more and also their defense rested largely on Hayden's supposed strong
00:59:52
moral character and that of his wife and they and then they made sure to say that
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the victim and her family were just ignorant par farmers and made poor choices and were poor had poor character
01:00:04
I cannot and remember Herbert cheated on his wife I do remember that but we're we're holding him up as the strong moral
01:00:15
character but of course but like this man is admitting to meeting with Mary to discuss the Fair
01:00:25
impossible pregnancy but they're holding him up as the moral character and just like sanctimonious [ __ ] up here
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yes yeah Y in fact during Charles stannard's testimony the defense focused considerable attention on Mary's
01:00:41
illegitimate child William [ __ ] up and E quote unquote illegitimate child and even made attempts to establish that
01:00:48
Mary herself had been born out of wedlock implying that Not only was the witness immoral moral but also couldn't
01:00:56
be trusted that's so [ __ ] up so now they're like Charles how was she were you married when Mary was born maybe
01:01:01
she's an illegitimate child so that makes you [ __ ] gross and we can't trust you anymore it's like what does
01:01:06
that have to do with anything like that's not why we're here and they had no nothing to prove it no basis exactly
01:01:12
so rather than prove his client's innocence Jones just cast suspicions on someone else he just decided to throw it
01:01:19
on someone else Benjamin Stevens a neighbor of the standards who occasionally did work for Charles
01:01:25
Stannard slept at their home sometimes just decided to off Mary unlike the morally righteous and upstanding Herbert
01:01:33
Hayden who was [ __ ] his Nanny behind his wife's back by the way and had hidden arsonic within his possession and
01:01:40
a bloody knife Stevens was a poor farmer who was known to partake in the drink at
01:01:46
times heavily it happens it's the 1800s what come on what the [ __ ] else is there
01:01:51
to do let's get drunk also Stevens had been seen leaving the house just after Mary did on the day of the murder and
01:01:58
had no alibi for the rest of the afternoon that anybody could confirm NE this mother [ __ ] uh Jones also pointed
01:02:05
out that it could have just as easily been Charles Stannard who committed the murder wow that's [ __ ] up quote to
01:02:13
prevent the repetition of the disgrace that had once before Fallen upon the family from the same Source wow saying
01:02:20
from the same Source the same Source Being Mary [ __ ] child that's so [ __ ] up to be clear there was not one
01:02:29
[ __ ] shred of evidence to suggest either of these men had anything to do with Mary's death Jones was just sewing
01:02:37
the seed of Doubt just to [ __ ] with the jury because that's all he had right he
01:02:42
didn't have anything to prove his client was innocent no everything proved his guilt there is not one shred of evidence
01:02:50
besides Rosa sitting on the [ __ ] stand and being like I I love my husband I don't think he'd do that he would not
01:02:56
murder someone yeah I was cutting peaches and it's like that's all he has so his only way of doing this is to just
01:03:04
go those two could have done it like I could you could have done it but like I don't have arsenic in my
01:03:12
possession or a bloody knife [ __ ] what it's wild now after more than two months the trial finally reached closing
01:03:19
arguments on January 13th 1880 Lind Harrison reiterated his case for the jury emphasizing that fearing his
01:03:28
reputation would be ruined should the affair in pregnancy be made public Hayden had a very strong motive to kill
01:03:34
Mary and the weapons used in the murder were found in his [ __ ] home with blood on them quote the experts had
01:03:42
shown that arsenic was found in the brain of the murdered girl and that it must have reached there before death
01:03:48
yeah Harrison reminded the courtroom quote it was also shown that Hayden was the only man who was known to have
01:03:55
arsenic in Rockland that entire day that could have killed an entire [ __ ] Village of people and that he bought it
01:04:02
secretly yeah he secretly bought it and then said it was never opened and then it was and then it was hidden in his
01:04:08
closing arguments on the other side Jones focused on Hayden's supposedly upstanding character and again cast
01:04:16
dispersions on Benjamin Stevens quote if Hayden had killed the girl it was most strange that no blood was found on his
01:04:23
clothing but it was found on a knife in his possession you dumb [ __ ] and also what clothing we don't know what
01:04:29
clothing he was wearing that day he could have gotten rid of them that's the other thing Jones remarked in statement
01:04:33
quote Ben Stevens's denial that he committed the crime should have no weight as he had been contradicted in
01:04:39
material parts of his testimony he is referring to an earlier part of the trial when Steven's testimony was
01:04:46
challenged by a witness for the defense and that's it it wasn't it wasn't like contradicted they challenged it right
01:04:54
with no basis which is the same thing that's happening to your client but with basis the jury deliberated for nearly 4
01:05:01
days before finally reporting that they had become hopelessly deadlocked how the
01:05:07
[ __ ] are you deadlocked 11 jurors were in favor of a quiddle one was a hold out
01:05:17
that was committed to hate and skilt one what certain that they would not reach a verdict if the jury returned
01:05:23
from for further deliberation the judge declared a mistrial and Herbert Hayden walked free no the prosecution briefly
01:05:33
considered retrying the case CU they were like this is [ __ ] up are you guys kidding me but there was exorbitant
01:05:39
costs in two trials alone and the fact that they had already presented most compelling case they
01:05:46
possibly could yeah aside from having like some just omniscient narrator that that could come in and be like hi I was
01:05:54
watching the whole thing and here's what happened they they didn't see a point to
01:05:59
try him a third time they were like he's just going to be allowed to walk free again we're exhausted this family is now
01:06:04
being torn to shreds and now now we've put them through a second trial and now people are blaming her father for like
01:06:12
we're not going to put him through that again no now in both trials the jury weighed what was very clear evidence of
01:06:18
Hayden's guilt and chose instead to absolve him of everything all wrongdoing rather than challenge their beliefs
01:06:24
about class and respectability at the time I want to know about this one jur that was like y'all are wrong well and
01:06:31
while Hayden may have escaped criminal penalties he didn't Escape consequences altogether okay well that's good to hear
01:06:37
following the Declaration of a mistrial Herbert Hayden was stripped of his credentials and banned from preaching
01:06:44
all together oh wow I'm surprised by that sounds to me like people knew what was the truth yeah sounds to me like
01:06:50
after hearing that trial that there was really no denying it what I'm s I'm so surprised by that that the jury was like
01:06:57
no way no no no not at all and now they're like well [ __ ] but then like somebody was like no you [ __ ] this
01:07:02
many people I think were like you clearly did this and you got away with it and like the higher ups within the
01:07:08
church you're not preaching to us anymore like bye so no longer a pillar of the community and held up as this
01:07:14
righteous righteous moral God for all of them he and Rosa moved to New Haven where they lived until his death in 1907
01:07:22
wow now in 19 14 33 years after that second trial the Hartford current interviewed the last Living member of
01:07:32
the jury stop it stop it his name is Horus Perry Horus and he was asked what was your rationale for voting to acquit
01:07:40
Herbert Hayden of the charge cuz was he one of the 11 in I don't think they knew
01:07:44
whether he was one of the 11 but they assumed he was but I think they're just like clearly there was like what was the
01:07:50
r the conversation that day Perry explained my God that throughout the trial Rosa Hayden had been sitting in
01:07:58
front of the jury and was quote a very beautiful young woman as far as the majority of the jury was concerned quote
01:08:07
from the day the trial opened until the last ballot was cast their view had been
01:08:12
how can we convict a man with a beautiful young wife like that and that is the end of the [ __ ]
01:08:22
story how can we convict a man cuz we want to [ __ ] his wife that is the end of that story I'm
01:08:32
going to go run over my microphone really fast I I quit 14 this man this I'm going to go now this
01:08:41
Horus Mr Perry said you want to know why we didn't listen to a shred of the [ __ ] evidence that was presented to
01:08:50
us his wife was hot and she was sitting in front of us what the [ __ ] does that
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have to do with anything when I tell you my soul launched into orbit at that moment no this this will be my last
01:09:08
podcast it's been a great are you [ __ ] like bye bye most of the jury wanted to [ __ ] his
01:09:19
wife so we couldn't convict him that is Essen what that man just said no that is
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what he what I'm I'm I'm on another I'm on a new level that is what his wife was beautiful so not even
01:09:39
like his wife was so beautiful we thought to ourselves like wow he'd never cheat on her so this is ridiculous that
01:09:45
he'd even be involved with that woman it's like yeah maybe he killed her but like his wife super hot also
01:09:53
wouldn't you think think that's why you would want to convict him so you could step on in there and be like hey
01:09:57
baby Horus shoot your [ __ ] shot convict that how can we convict a man who like that like that's I'm are you
01:10:07
joking me do you do we know what Rosa looked like is there like an artist rendition I don't even know but I'm like
01:10:13
let me see I'll be the [ __ ] judge of that I am just how gorgeous was she the [ __ ]
01:10:20
Marilyn monrose sitting in front of that jury I am are you joking me without words to be
01:10:27
honest no that's I'm telling like that bye that's why I was like just you [ __ ] wait like it you don't think
01:10:33
it's going to get worse how expect me to function for the rest of this day are you kidding me I'm saying the [ __ ] I'm
01:10:41
saying I got I was looking up to see if I could find Rosa it's hard to find she's so beautiful nobody ever took a
01:10:47
photograph of her cuz they were scared oh my god oh I mean there's an artist rendition but I don't know if
01:10:54
this is correct it's got to be like something let's see it I'll be the judge the jury let me see the Executioner it
01:11:04
probably no that's not it's an artist if that you know what thank you so much for listening um on that note we
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totally hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it we not so weird that
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you go Google a picture of Rosa in that artist rendition because baby you will have different thoughts than that whole
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ass jury goodbye the [Music] [ __ ]