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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elina and this is [Music] morbid this is morbid morbid on Mikey's
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birth week woo it's Mikey's birthday soon so this morning decorated the whole entire pod lab it looks a little
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lowbudget but she was looking at the streamers that I hung when she said it wasn't just
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about your streamers my my work is interesting as well I Scotch taped the birthday
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sign but we got a cake but we got a gorgeous automnal cake from this delicious bakery that we know of that we
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ate for breakfast yeah we literally at for breakfast I got this cool candle from tar it's called a mega candle but
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okay cool is an interesting way to describe that candle because it is cool I was going to explain to you what it
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did while I was holding it yeah so you it's cool if you're like an arsonist which you're not and nor am I
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that's rude the arsonist listening is like um excuse me actually I am so tell me about this candle you know you light
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the middle of it and like all these other yeah there like petals with um other candles attached to it so you
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light this thing in the middle and then slowly it lights all the other candles and then it shoots all the petals out
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and it starts [ __ ] going around in a circle and the fire was just the first as soon as Ash lit it this bonfire
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erupted from the middle of it and I was like oh we're all going to die I thought
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I was going to have to stop drop and roll immediately and then it just shot open and all these little fires and I
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was like what what are we doing in here yeah childish gambito started playing it
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was crazy oh my God I was like John's going to have questions when we burned half the house down honestly a lot of
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smoke shot up and we were standing like right under the smoke detector but you know birthdays and then it wouldn't stop
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it listen it's cool but it wouldn't stop like humming happy birthday it was like
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a music box kind of so we had to rip the [ __ ] cord out of there yeah so that was our morning yeah and it's not going
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to get less chaotic from here because the I have is pretty [ __ ] awful oh yeah it's going to be weird telling this
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story with like streamers and like ball on the ground it's actually really upsetting thinking about it that way
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actually I'm looking around like oh no uh this is going to be split into two paths um she's got a Tupa we got a tup
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cuz it's just a lot a lot happening a lot going on and you know you're going to absorb this in in two phases because
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I'm going to absorb this in two phases I don't like that you're using the word absorb yeah and you know what sometimes
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we we will record a two-parter or multiarterial [Music] chunks for you guys and this one I was
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like we're going to record this in two different days because I don't want to talk about the whole thing at once so
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that's like that's how it's just upsetting it's a it's not a nice situation none of these are but no but
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some you know some hitch you just in different ways right right um this is the story of Elvin and Judith and neie
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oh I've heard of them yeah yeah 70s yeah yeah um well actually early ' 80s oh okay um some of it happened in the yeah
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it's not great early 80s crimes in in like True Crime have a certain feel to them yeah they do they have a vibe that
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I that I don't I don't um do well with were WI wild yeah like every decade was wild in its own way the
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80s have a certain it's like a grimy wild it is cuz it's like the grimness of the 70s kind of like leaks into the
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early grimness of the 80s and then it just mixes with some like daylow colors and it gets weird yeah grimy and daylow
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don't go together but they do in the 80s they sure do so go for it so on September 11th 1982 Ken dly Youth
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Development Center employee in Rome Georgia was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker he wasn't shot but he
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was shot at and in his home you said in his home Jesus by some unseen attacker outside and the following day his
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coworker Linder Adair Linder Linda Adair was also attacked when someone threw a whole Molotov cocktail at her house in
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an attempt to kill her and again these are co-workers at the Youth Development Center in Rome Georgia
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so obviously something's going on here and although neither dly nor Adair knew at the time these were actually just the
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first attacks in a violent senseless and very confusing crime spree that was committed by Alvin
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and Judith and neie oh man at the time they were a married couple who I mean their brutality is up there and you
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wonder like how people like this find each other we say that all the time this one when you we get to find out how they
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found each other and when you when you see the entire thing you're like wow yeah this is
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just this is just like especially Judy she did not I mean she she didn't have a lot of chance here but what she turned
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into is a monster I mean Unthinkable it really is Unthinkable yeah I know that this is like a really gnarly case and I
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know the name of it but I definitely don't know all the details so a little trepid just you know ahead of time there
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is like speak of sexual assault there speak of rape there's some really gnarly stuff in here so just like be warned
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yeah um Alvin though he's he's a very confusing case study I would say because we're going to talk about it that he
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kind of didn't really have any signs in the beginning or nothing that we are being told of or
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confined but when you find out certain things that happen in his teenage years and later you're like that didn't just
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come out of missing from his childhood here like something's off something's AR I don't know so Alvin Howard Neely Jr
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was born July 15th 1953 in Trion Georgia a caner I had to look up how to say Trion Georgia because I didn't I didn't
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want to mess it up it was one of those weird pronunciations and if you guys ever used because I I know like people
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are obsessed with pronunciations everywhere so when you look it up on the internet you get several different kinds
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one of them is pronouncenames.com and that one's very like this is how you say that and a french guy I love the French
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guy who's like H let me tell you how to say this and you're like way you say this name is this and you're like oh my
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goodness and you love it and he has a very comforting voice it's very I love it and then there's a whole [ __ ]
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robot and then there's an yeah there's AI there's just a robot and I got that one but it tells you Trion Georgia and
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it's like Trion Geor like and then it says a wonderful place to live and I said that's good it's weird so that's
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Trion Georgia um it's apparently a small pretty rural community about two hours from Atlanta okay you said rural so good
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there rural yeah it's hard sometimes rural juror uh Alvin was the youngest of three children and his early life like I
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said pretty unremarkable like very normal according to all the things we can find allegedly he had a good home
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life he was well-liked at school in the community he ended up really getting a reputation for being very Charming he
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was like a little jokester a little prankster but nothing when he was younger it was nothing like oh he was a
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prankster and he was pissing people off it was like oh he's just like a little jokester he's a little charmer you know
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okay and he was described as always having a smiling face so he was just always happy interesting according to
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author Thomas Cook it was a great childhood filled with days of hunting and fishing and hanging out with the
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other boy scouts his childhood was a festival of Joy wow a festival of Joy unrelatable I
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was well who can relate to that I was like who's I don't know if I've ever experienced a festival of Joy oh I've
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experienced a festival of Joy but I'm like what the [ __ ] Mikey raised his hand and said
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today today this is an offbrand Festival full of joy scorebot Festival it just sound that's so that's incredible that
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sentence like you're in the entirety of your childh never had a joy not Alvin that's I mean that's what that says to
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me like never had a bad day yeah that's what it sounds like by the time he went to Fort McKenry elementary school he had
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learned that his charm and his very easygoing personality his smile his niceness it was the it was a way he
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could draw people to him that's how he was going to get friends and he also learned in elementary school that he
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could use it to his Advantage a little while a little bit so he quickly became the class clown he really loved making
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everybody laugh he would disrupt Class A lot but nothing like crazy he wasn't getting into trouble really that much it
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was just kind of he was that kid I was always and I wasn't like a brainiac or anything like I wasn't like I'm trying
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to listen to the teacher but like those kids always pissed me off like the kids that would like distract class just shut
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the [ __ ] up yeah that always pissed me off then and it still pisses me off now
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yeah yeah like whenever the te um the girls will tell me about somebody who's like always [ __ ] around in class I'm
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like honestly don't hang out with them shut the [ __ ] up kid like they're they're lacking something yeah don't
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hang out with everyone who W in school is like [ __ ] you guys I'm just kidding no it's fine um but yeah he loved to
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make his classmates laugh and once you got into like adolesence like early adolescence he started using his charm
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and humor to pick up gals ladies um and you know they would go to the local swimming pool do these like really
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wholesome things and he would always especially the local swimming pool was like the big thing there because there
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was not a lot going on in that town SOG it was a Trion Georgia I just said what town was that Georgia it was in the
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town of Georgia that's good yeah uh you know small town but this was a rural community so it's like the town pool was
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like the thing to do in the late '70s you know the checks and when he would go there he was the center of attention of
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course um and apparently so cook that author that I mentioned before also wrote it got so the pool owner would let
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him in for free [ __ ] just so the other people would show up and pay the entrance price wow so he was a [ __ ]
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his childhood was a [ __ ] Festival that is a festival of Joy I guess like I don't think anybody's wrong I never had
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that happen so this all sounds like holy [ __ ] like he's even getting it like he's
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a Leb he's a bougie kid like they're they're letting him into places for they're letting him into the club for
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free so that other people come no cover yeah and he's like early adolescent he's
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an influencer but then something happened he was I should when he reached High School okay and I don't know what
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happened we can't figure out what happened but he h high school and he was still a charmer still had that
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reputation was still like thriving in that way but he started taking like a dark turn in his personality he he was
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moodier he suddenly started developing or at least finally showing a very explosive temper huh that didn't seem to
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be present before okay and he began committing Petty crimes that eventually escalated to car theft [ __ ] so like we
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went from Festival of joy to like hitting high school and something really changing and there was like no tragedy
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within the family not that I could find I mean he was an active kid so he was in
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Boy Scouts like he and that kind of stuff I don't know if something happened in like some kind of you know TBI you
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don't know you really don't know so it's like I don't I couldn't put I couldn't find anything right and neither could
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Dave we were like what the [ __ ] happened to this guy um but that's so he's escalating already he's doing Petty
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crimes like you know car theft is pretty big and in 1973 when he was 20 years old
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he met a 15-year-old oh no named Joanne Browning no 20 years old and this girl 15 [ __ ] gross Joanne was an
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acquaintance of Alvin's half brother Benny farington who worked at the local grocery store in Dalton Georgia and
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that's how they met Joanne found Alvin so Charming because remember he's still a charmer he's a joker you know when
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you're 15 and some older guys sh an interest in you and despite their wild age difference they began dating where
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were Joan's parents so this 20-year-old man is dating a 15-year-old girl like what the [ __ ] do you guys have in common
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nothing so in early 197 for not long after they had began dating Joanne actually moved in with Alvin and quickly
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became pregnant with with what would be the first of the coup's three children wow and at this point was he living on
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his own um at this point yeah okay so at first and I think he had he at at certain points he had gotten like an
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apartment by himself and then he would move back in with his parents so at times he and his wife or wives we'll
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find out will move in with his with his parents sometimes okay now at first you know they seemed like they had a
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pleasant like existence together like I mean they went on what is happening in there but it didn't take long before
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Joanne finally saw that violent temper and she finally discovered that he was very quick to anger oh no so years later
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on the witness stand Joanne described the first time that Alvin physically assaulted her which had occurred early
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in her pregnancy now according to Joanne she said and this is like trigger warning
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like this is pretty upsetting she said quote Alvin had beaten her on the breasts and arms and had stretched the
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corners of her mouth with his with his fingers what the [ __ ] yeah isn't that just like [ __ ] up that's just strange
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and horrible yeah and she told the jury that this was the first of countless times that he assaulted her stretched
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her mouth yeah what and he would assault her every time he got mad about anything
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after that and knowing full well that she was pregnant oh yeah he didn't care the [ __ ] now Alvin and Joanne got
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married after this in Cleveland Tennessee in January 1975 and this is when they moved back in with Alvin's
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mother at the time that's just such a sad like dichotomy oh it's horrific cuz walking down the aisle like that you're
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knowing what he does knowing what he does in your like I think of it like you're walking toward like your future
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like happiness and like joy and you're the best guy I know and it's like you're walking towards somebody that beats the
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he's convincing you like oh like I'm sure he's doing that I'm sorry and I'm sure he's doing that I'll never do it
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again but some little part of you walking down that aisle is like some little voice in your head is scared
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you're walking towards someone you're afraid of that's so [ __ ] it's awful I feel so hard for her and what's worse is
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they moved in with Alvin's mother and even the presence of her didn't do anything to stop the domestic violence
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really this is this is where I say what happened happened yeah like how do you turn a blind eye to your son house
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beating his pregnant wife that idic childhood that like was a festival of Joy right but then he's moving in with
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his wife and beating the [ __ ] out of her while she's pregnant in front of you and
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you're not saying anything I don't know about that like I'm not saying anything cuz I don't know anything I'm just
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saying that's strange to me yeah that's a strange I don't know that doesn't that
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doesn't that the math ain't math in there for me but I don't know but Alvin used to be super paranoid that Joanne
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was having affairs with men in the neighborhood that was like his obsessive thing and this was something that would
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send him into to jealous rages a lot and he would physically assault her because
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of the paranor paranoia and then would also drag her on Wild Goose chases to go search the neighborhood for her
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imagined like Affair Partners oh like he would like literally bring her to every
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house and be like is it him is it him that's so scary that he was that paranoid and he also insisted that she
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serve him and be submissive in every way at home oh no she had to bathe him comb
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his hair and dress him why did he even want that that's bizarre this is why I'm questioning his some what happened yeah
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what happened something's off here that's weird I'm um I'm like H like live your life the way you want to and if two
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people are consenting to that that's one thing something's off here that's bizarre to me forcing her to bathe you
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as a grown ass man yeah and there were also times when he would just randomly become violent with her for no reason
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like there was no trigger even in his own mind um and she said he would sometimes hit me with his fists
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sometimes just hit me with his whole arm and of course I would run from him trying to protect myself by hiding in
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other rooms but he would bust the door down oh my God so he's just like A Raging Bull like what the [ __ ] is going
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on here and then to think that three children were eventually witnessed to that is so [ __ ] up it's horrific now
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although he may have felt powerful and dominant in his home life with his wife and his children outside the home Alvin
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was just a complete [ __ ] failure of a human being yeah I got a feeling [ __ ] loser uh from the moment he began
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working he struggled to maintain a job he would travel from one town to the next in search of work and he would just
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drag his whole family with him of course and eventually he became so demanding that Joanne um or he he became so
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demanding that she finally agreed when he brought up the idea of committing robberies of convenience stores that he
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worked at in Dalton and Calhoun Georgia because he was like well I can't keep a job so let's just steal money let's just
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rob places come on kids and she was so demanding and scary that she agreed and she claimed out of fear for her safety
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and safety of their children I believe that now at one point Joanne couldn't handle it anymore so she ran away and
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left the children with him which I'm like why did you leave the children with him yeah and he threatened to like kill
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them if she didn't return so she did that's the thing like you're leaving that's the thing I was like that's scary
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yeah but she came back and again but we also have to remember she's a a child yeah like she was 15 she's still a
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teenager probably at this point she's still a teenager wow and so she brought her 13-year-old sister with her when she
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came back because like I think she just thought it would be some kind of like Comfort I mean you're you yeah I can't
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even imagine this and she thought her presence would maybe mitigate what was happening here but she was mistaken
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because almost immediately Alvin began physically assaulting Joanne right in front of her 13-year-old sister and
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attempted to sexually assault her sister that what the [ __ ] he only stopped when
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Joanne threatened to kill him wow and her sister returned home to the her mother's house the next day completely
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traumatized of course now the cycle of abuse continued for several more months and Joanne would like every now and then
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just flee to her mother's house but was always brought back by him so so sad until finally in SE 1977 she left for
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good and she left her three children with him huh I don't get that but that's just me
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yeah uh but I've never been in that position don't me either um but I'm just saying personally I don't get leaving
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leaving them with him I would never leave my children with someone like that no but through her testimony in court it
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was clear that Joanne Browning hated Elvin Neely obviously like had deep-seated hate for him finally I think
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it I think it took her a long time to get to that place but she [ __ ] hated him I mean who wouldn't and but there
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and there and there's no doubt that he is an abusive piece of [ __ ] like for sure but I guess there was questions
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about the like how exaggerated some of the moments were like the attorneys were questioning it yeah because there was
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like times when it didn't add up so they thought maybe it was being like like certain instances were being exaggerated
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a little bit okay but either way he was an abusive prick it just and I don't I don't really understand why like they
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felt the need to nitpick that because it's like even if she is exaggerating it like okay whatever like you can't really
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prove that either way that's the other thing and it's like but either way he's an abusive piece of [ __ ] AB abuse so
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it's like you know and then what this shows is that he's one violent as [ __ ] regardless of how like detailed or
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whatever any of the claims were what we know is he's a violent abusive sh that is for sure abely 100% and we also know
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that this shows that he has an interest in teenage girls yeah like he has clearly established a pattern of being a
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[ __ ] Pig in every way you can also tried to assault her 13-year-old sister tried to sexually
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assault her and he met her when she was 15 and that's the other thing that like like I'm like okay that they're like
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trying to figure out the validity of the claims of each instance it's like okay but either way even her sister is
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claiming that this happened so it's like yeah regardless of anything he's [ __ ]
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up clearly but either way as like finally their relationship ended for good which is which was a very good
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thing for Joanne but he did keep the kids I think eventually she was able to also some kind of cust yeah I don't I
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wasn't able to follow that all the way through but that's so complicated yeah but Alvin had already found himself a
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new romantic interest and it was a 15-year-old girl and how old is he now at this point he is when is this he met
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her in 1973 right yeah and then I think three years later they got divorced and you say 1976 1977 so he's almost 24
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years old and a 15-year-old so he's literally almost 10 years her senior yeah and this girl was Judith an
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Adams okay is this part of the reason why she was doomed yeah yeah now unlike her future husband and eventually
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literal partner in crime um Judith did not have an idyllic childhood no not a festival of Joy no she was born June 7th
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1964 in Murphreesboro Tennessee a Gemini she was the third of five children she had an older brother and sister and two
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younger brothers so she was right in the middle yep and they were a solidly middle class family you know their
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father had steady work as a carpenter he was a construction worker and things you
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know even got better in 1973 because her father James Adams started his own construction company oh wow um and James
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worked a lot obviously he owned his own construction company so he was gone a lot yeah and when he got home he was
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kind of a distant he just wanted to have a few beers and go to sleep he wasn't really like playing with his kids you
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know um such a different time too but by all accounts he was not um outwardly abusive from what I've read unless you
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know that just isn't you know knowledge but according to Judy she loved her dad she had a very close bond with him even
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though they didn't see each other a lot she loved what she saw okay um and that's when tragedy struck on March 31st
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1st 1974 when James had a few beers and jumped on his motorcycle oh no and the uh the details of the accident aren't
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like completely clear but somehow he hit a highway guardrail oh no and he was dragged about 100 feet between his bike
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and the guard rail oh and eventually he was flung into the air and died immediately when he hit the pavement
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yeah that's a brutal way to go an awful way to go in the death of their father hit all the Adam's children really hard
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but Judy was only 9 years old when it happened wow and she took it the hardest out of all of them of course um Thomas
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Cook said she had always been the quiet one but for a long time after that she seemed to turn to Stone that's really
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sad and so you know her mother uh Barbara was left with you know her husband's small Social Security pension
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and eight acres of land on the outskirts of Murphreesboro and she kind of struggled to provide for five children
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at that point five kids that's a lot lot of kids so she took a job at heatcraft which was a local Refrigeration Factory
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and used the 8 Acres of as space for the double wide trailer home that eventually
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housed the whole family okay less than a year after James Adams died Barbara began
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dating yeah that's tough for the kids I guess like I understand needing to move on and that's her right to do so but I
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can imagine that was hard for the kids absolutely um and it upset Judy especially because she was so close to
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her dad yeah um and it was exceptionally horrible when Barbara went out on a date
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one night and got into a very minor car accident um but it was discovered that night that her boyfriend that she had
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been going out with for some time was a teenage boy oh mhm okay so I don't think it was a super
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normal like Barbara just moving on after her husband dies kind of thing sounds like she was kind of [ __ ] up y uh so
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Barbara was charged with contrib to the delinquency of a minor oh and she and her family were humiliated by this and
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she ended up having to leave her job and basically like hid herself away in her trailer yikes um which is nice that she
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uh was a predator uh got caught being a predator and then just decided to hide away from
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her children and let them fend for themselves yeah that was really great of her it's like that was a really good uh
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Jesus Christ this story is so marked with predators predators Alvin's a predator like Barbara's a predator
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they're all [ __ ] up uh and Judy at a very young age being right smack dab in the middle she ended up taking over all
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the chores in the trailer like taking care of her young younger siblings like she really took over yeah and after all
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this the family really slipped into a bad way cuz following their mother's horrible example the older kids just
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grew lazy started skipping school regularly they didn't you know they're just following an example here set well
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they don't have all is their left where she and Judy's in the middle trying and so they all just spent days like hanging
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around drinking beer watching TV not really doing anything oh no and meanwhile Barbara continued to decline
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to the point where she spent most of her time using a CB radio like a truck radio
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kind of like candy cane yeah um where she would meet men who would show up at the house with beers and just spend time
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with her okay so just you know this is so Bleak yeah uh so Judy spent a lot of her time
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outside of the home trying to escape I believe that I would as well she focused on school she made honor rooll wow and
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joined the cheerleading team in eth grade and after school she participated in 4 club and the future Homemakers of
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America wow I didn't even know that was a thing did not know that either and she
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just really focused on school was trying to she wanted to become a nurse someday
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she was like she had dream she was like ready to go it's crazy that like in this
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[ __ ] storm she's kind of thriving in in certain areas but something was off where she was very she became like a
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harder person cuz she had to out of her circumstances and I think it led to her she hardened too much yeah she hardened
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a little too much and I think this piece of [ __ ] man took full advantage of u a
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slightly broken child here and it's really [ __ ] up and what Judy ends up doing
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means that there was a monster inside of her all along and when you look at you know her her mother there something's
00:29:06
off there obviously yep and so you know there was something in there that he just happened to I I don't know if he
00:29:12
ended up if he could see it or if he just stumbled upon a vulnerable young girl and he was able to pry this monster
00:29:20
out of her but it's it's really upsetting all the way around oh no so one afternoon in early 1979 Vin NE and
00:29:28
his friend Dan Harley two grown ass men yeah he's like at this point were driving out to meet a woman Dan had met
00:29:37
on the CB radio shut your [ __ ] pie hole yep shut your f [ __ ] Dan his friends was talking to Barbara on the CB
00:29:47
Radio and Dan spotted a CB antenna on top of the trailer and he was like here it is this is where she is so she likes
00:29:54
like younger men cuz at this point she's and he's like in his and then the guy he's bringing along with him is going to
00:30:01
love the daughter oh God this is [ __ ] Dan was very excited to meet this gal in
00:30:07
person uh but it was the woman's 15-year-old daughter Judy that really caught Alvin's attention oh no yep I'm
00:30:15
so uncomfortable yeah so Judy came out to talk to them because she was always in charge of everything being like you
00:30:22
need a beer yeah and when Dan and Barbara you know Dan and Barbara went off and started drinking beers together
00:30:28
in Barbara's room and Alvin sat with Judy in the Next Room talking and apparently they had a lot in common
00:30:34
according to them 26 and which says a lot about Alvin sure does uh they spent all night and well into the next morning
00:30:43
talking and laughing uh we have a grown ass man connecting and flirting with a 15-year-old child that's so heinous he
00:30:51
later said if anyone had stepped in between us they'd have been burned up in the spark
00:30:58
with a 15-year-old dude you're pushing 30 like what the actual [ __ ] like the amount of
00:31:05
predators around this girl right now are outrageous that is so so gross now after
00:31:12
this they became Inseparable it was this was the moment that they met like you were wondering how do these people come
00:31:17
together well don't worry they're just surrounded by Predators so like she's just surrounded by Predators so they
00:31:23
were just naturally brought into her life this story is putrid they did every together they developed this weird
00:31:29
intense bond that was like obsessive with each other like us against the world kind of thing oh very much very
00:31:35
coming from a mile away and she spilled about her troubled home life her father's death how she was still
00:31:40
grieving so sad Elvin listened he didn't share a lot about his at first but finally they'd been together a couple
00:31:47
months and Alvin admitted to Judy well I am still married oh I forgot that he was
00:31:52
still married she just left they didn't divorce [ __ ] and his wife he and insisted was quote a liar and a cheat
00:31:59
and she's still been married to another man when he married her which is not true she she was 15 years old uh Elvin
00:32:05
insisted his relationship with Joanne had been over for a long time and he had every intention of divorcing her which
00:32:11
Judy was like of course I'm 15 I know nothing about this when Judy went back to school for her sophomore year oh my
00:32:18
godak high school when she was a FR sophomore yeah a freshman in high school oh my God she thought she was a full
00:32:25
adult at this point like she's feeling like she's dating a whole adult and she's spending all her time with Albin
00:32:31
especially since her siblings just hung around doing nothing and her mother was also just like a [ __ ] loser and
00:32:37
living with Dan Harley now oh God he moved in he just never left that's good so now Dan Harley is living in that
00:32:44
trailer with her and all those kids and yeah exactly yeah at the end of 1979 Alvin and Judy discussed marriage and
00:32:52
she decided that she was going to leave High School remember she had all these dreams she was going to be n she was an
00:32:58
honor student a cheerleader she was in all these clubs she she had dreams of becoming a nurse she school for this
00:33:06
[ __ ] loser oh that's awful he finally ended up divorcing Joanne and Judy ended
00:33:11
up moving in with Alvin's mother in Cleveland Tennessee his [ __ ] still living with his mom I got
00:33:18
questions for his mom ABS a [ __ ] got questions if my future child at 26 years old came home with a 15-year-old he
00:33:28
would be so far out on his ass it would be next Wednesday exactly that's why I'm
00:33:33
like get the [ __ ] out of know about this I called the cops myself exactly i' like
00:33:38
you [ __ ] creep what are you do% like how did I [ __ ] you up this bad yeah so she ended up moving in with the mom in
00:33:46
Cleveland Tennessee and Alvin stayed in Murphreesboro to keep working and making
00:33:50
money and then he was going to move in and she's like oh how do you like my whole ass adult son like hello child
00:33:55
like you just have a child living with you now literally now once Elvin had saved up some money he and Jud Judy
00:34:01
finally moved in together I like he combined J judie uh they they got a small apartment in Rome Georgia and then
00:34:09
they ended up moving to a small motel room in Kennesaw Georgia they loved a motel room that's upsetting um Alvin
00:34:15
found work at a convenience store across the street from this place Judy again had quit school so she started just
00:34:21
hanging out at the store stocking shelves hanging out helping out Alvin was already back his criminal [ __ ]
00:34:28
because he couldn't hang on to a job and one night after stealing the day's deposits from his job they just ran away
00:34:33
to Alabama to escape any of the consequences oh okay just stole the register money and just never came back
00:34:40
then just never came back now Alvin was shocked to see that Judy was very willing to be an
00:34:47
accomplice to all his criminal ideas all of it like she was just like okay let's
00:34:52
go and it's like yeah because you've groomed her well yeah and she's literally a child yeah she's nowhere
00:34:56
else to go right and after settling in Dawson Georgia they both found work at the Zippy Market until Judy was robbed
00:35:03
one evening but the stores owner firmly believes it was an inside job their lives were a [ __ ] mess
00:35:10
together that winter they would settle in some small town find a job usually at like a convenience store or some Market
00:35:17
it steal from the register and then they just hit the road again and get out of there wow they were like a stupid Bonnie
00:35:23
and Clyde together yeah and the routine was briefly interrupted in mid July because they stopped off in Ringle
00:35:30
Ringold Georgia to get married and then it was just right back to everything that they were doing
00:35:36
before more motel rooms more convenience stores just this grimy ass existence truly grimy is the perfect word for it
00:35:44
that fall Judy learned she was six months pregnant oh no but they just kept on robbing being assoles continuing
00:35:51
their life and she's like 16 17 yeah and she found out she was six months pregnant so it's
00:35:58
like what that's that's pretty pregnant yeah that's more than halfway there it's
00:36:03
a very very pregnant uh you know that all this craziness had to pause though because the fall of 1980 they were
00:36:10
arrested when robbing a woman at gunpoint in the parking lot of the Riverbend Mall oh uh Elvin was sentenced
00:36:18
to five years at the Walker correctional institute in Lafayette and Judy was still underage so she was taken to the
00:36:24
Rome Youth Development Center just pregnant and all remember I don't know if you remember at the beginning of this
00:36:30
the Rome Youth Development Center that was where the two people the guy the person that got shot at in his
00:36:36
hel and the person who had a Molotov cocktail thrown in their house they worked there oh okay uh while she was
00:36:43
there she gave birth to twins just two days after arriving she she found out she was pregnant with twins six months
00:36:50
in yes as someone who has carried twins in their body I am shocked uh I don't know at 6
00:36:58
months I was a i people were like oh you you must be ready to pop and I was like
00:37:03
I am not people go like full-fledged so full term wild uh Alvin and Judy sent letters back and forth several times a
00:37:12
week um their correspondence they they mainly stayed like very romantic very like we love each other we're obsessed
00:37:19
with each other it got like kind of explicit they were weird and like stressful it was it's don't look for
00:37:25
them okay but every now and then Alvin's jealous paranoia would show through yeah
00:37:31
uh in one he said I'll put my love where it will be returned he said so he's basically like threatening her like I'll
00:37:38
I'll leave you and go find someone else like you don't love me okay and then he said you can't have me and play around
00:37:44
too and Alvin wasn't the only paranoid one because Judy also was accusing him of being unfaithful and said a lot in
00:37:52
her letters she said I'll take care of her when I get out refer refering to like an imaginary woman interesting and
00:38:00
she said none of them are woman enough to try to take you from me when I get out I want to be clear they were both in
00:38:08
jail at this time yeah so how and they're not in co-ed jails like they're in like and they're and they're not
00:38:14
talking about like she's not talking about a man that he's cheating on her with or she's talking he's talking about
00:38:18
woman they're like accusing each other of cheating on each other with the opposite sex when while they're in jail
00:38:26
want to be clear yeah like I'm very this shows you how diluted they both were yep
00:38:34
and how paranoid and like obsessive they were yeah it's like a weird I don't know
00:38:41
but again very strange and they they had this like strange and upsetting Devotion
00:38:46
to each other while also having this big disdain for the world and people around
00:38:51
them like you said before very us against everyone else mentality they believed every everyone was out to get
00:38:57
them no one understood them they had to strike back at people Judy was released from the Youth Detention Center in
00:39:05
November 1981 and returned to Cleveland Tennessee to live with Alvin's parents and the twins cuz remember twin babies
00:39:13
twin babies yep unfortunately it didn't take long for her to revert to that criminal lifestyle again and less than
00:39:19
two weeks after she was released she was arrested for robbing a gas station and was sent back to the center 2 weeks what
00:39:26
the the [ __ ] she was released in March 1982 but she went and she went back to living with Alvin's parents um but she
00:39:33
seemed to be like and apparently they like were fine like they were taken care of her but they kind of she like
00:39:39
resented them in a weird way like she wrote to Alvin at one point talking about his dad I can't stand that son of
00:39:46
a [ __ ] your dad still raises hell every now and then but he won't say anything
00:39:50
to me if he ever does he knows he'll regret it this also leads me to believe like what happened in that house exactly
00:39:59
this doesn't sound like a regular situ like I'm very confused no not at all we're getting little bits and pieces
00:40:05
little breadcrumbs of something that went down there and I'm like I don't know what's going on there yeah that's
00:40:11
just like it's just weird yeah it's very strange and it's very and seeing her how
00:40:16
she's talking like he won't say anything to me or he'll regret it's like I can see what's happening here like that's
00:40:21
what I mean when I say like she had to be that way growing up so she acts that way
00:40:26
but Alvin was finally released from the Walker Correction Institute at the end of April
00:40:32
1982 and Judy met him at the bus station and you know it went right back to what
00:40:37
it was before they were obsessed with each other you know they would they had this like really cuz he had which is
00:40:45
also like a red flag to me he had this very like aggressively intense sex drive too which we see a lot in these cases
00:40:53
where it's couples it's like unfulfilling almost every case where it's couples actually we see that the
00:40:58
man usually has a strangely like ins and aggressive sex drive yeah like multiple
00:41:06
times a day or he's going to beat the [ __ ] out of you God and that's how it was and she's a child exactly and soon
00:41:13
but soon reality set back in they had no jobs so they turned right back to the criminal ways and they would steal
00:41:19
checks from mailboxes they would Forge money orders they would Rob people in places it was chaos Sor they still have
00:41:25
their children or yeah they still have their okay I was like did I miss a part where they dropped them off some they
00:41:30
still got them but they're living with Alvin's parents so I'm sure they're just they're probably raising them um then
00:41:36
randomly one day Alvin just looked at Judy and said I don't want you anymore what out of nowhere cuz she
00:41:43
wasn't 15 anymore EXA probably turned 20 she got a little older excuse me she probably turned 18 I should say exactly
00:41:50
and as the summer of 1982 came to an end Judy was now Angry desperate will willing to do literally anything to keep
00:41:58
him from leaving her no matter what oh no so one evening in early September 1982 and what we'll see is like he was
00:42:06
like I don't want you anymore but they stayed connected obviously they had children but they like had this still
00:42:12
obsessive bond with each other even though it wasn't like always a romantic Bond she was always trying to make it
00:42:18
one but he would like flipflop okay it was very strange I I can't understand and I don't ever want to understand the
00:42:24
Dy it's probably better that you don't so on the evening um in September 1982 Ken dly who was a teacher at the Rome
00:42:31
Youth Development Center he was at home when his phone rang a little after 7 p.m. the voice on the under other end
00:42:37
was a young woman claiming to be a friend of Ken's wife Sher I doubt it this person on the other end said she
00:42:43
was going to be passing through the area soon and wanted to drop in to surprise Sher so Ken was like oh that's great
00:42:49
like here's directions to my house Ken Ken Jesus [ __ ] Christ this could be anybody yeah it's the early ' 80s so
00:42:56
everybody was like she even have a friend with that name and this person said well you tell Sher that I'll see
00:43:01
her when we get to Rome and then they hung up Sherry's probably like I've never heard of that [ __ ] in my life
00:43:07
well Sher dly returned home a few hours later uh with the couple son Robbie and Ken said told his wife you know this
00:43:14
lady Susan had called from Kentucky and she goes well that's strange I don't have a friend from Kentucky named Susan
00:43:19
but glad you gave them stepbystep directions to our house Ken now a few days later cuz Ken was like okay that
00:43:25
was weird a few days later Ken returned home from his son's football game and was met at the door by Sherry and Sherry
00:43:32
said I got a call and when she asked who it was she said it was uh she was a it was a young girl and she wanted to know
00:43:38
if he was home and Ken's mind was like okay like I teach girls at like young girls at the development center but like
00:43:45
he was like none of them have my phone number like I don't give my phone number out to these girls and like why would
00:43:51
they be calling yeah so he was like that's just weird and she was like I don't know she wouldn't say who she was
00:43:58
so he had almost put it out of his mind but then the phone rang that evening again and Sherry immediately was like
00:44:03
it's the girl again I know it and so he answered but it was a man's voice and the man's voice said you've screwed the
00:44:10
last girl you're going to screw and then he just hung up oh and Ken was freaked out he was like what the
00:44:18
[ __ ] are you talking about I love my wife by and he tried to put it out of his mind but later that night as he was
00:44:24
walking around checking locks because he was like a little paranoid at that point
00:44:28
and he was checking on the kids like making sure everything was okay he heard four four loud Pops that sounded like a
00:44:34
car backfiring as he went back to his bedroom my God and as he was going in there he heard his wife's voice
00:44:39
screaming that someone was shooting at the house oh my God so Ken ran to his wife then checked the rest of the house
00:44:45
and looked out the window to the front of the house and he saw the tail lights of a car like flying down the street so
00:44:51
the police arrived but since no one identified the shooter and there was really no evidence like no one even saw
00:44:57
the car right they couldn't do anything they just told them you probably shouldn't sleep here tonight thank you
00:45:03
like what the [ __ ] Jesus now the next day September 11th Linda Adair the assistant director of the Youth
00:45:09
Development Center noticed that Ken seemed a little off at work but she didn't want to like pry too much so she
00:45:16
didn't bother to ask what was wrong and just went about her day but she said later like she very much saw that
00:45:21
something was wrong and she went you know she later that night went back home and her husband Gary you know they went
00:45:28
out to dinner together and then they came home and she just laid down on the couch just relaxing a little
00:45:34
everything's normal and then the phone rings and Linda could hear Gary answer and respond to the caller and he called
00:45:41
out to her to let her know that it was for her and Linda took the phone and said hello but no one was on the other
00:45:46
end yeah and when she asked who it was her husband said he didn't know but thought it sounded like a teenage girl
00:45:52
okay he said she just asked if you were home creepy now again this couple was also freaked out but that evening they
00:45:58
got ready for bed Gary was in the shower and the phone rang again a little after
00:46:03
11:30 don't answer it so all of a sudden she can uh when she answers the phone she hears one of her neighbors yelling
00:46:12
into the phone at her saying Linda what's happening someone threw a bomb at your house oh my God so she's like what
00:46:18
the [ __ ] so she went looked out the window in the dining room and she could see Flames engulfing their carport oh my
00:46:24
God and then the scene just erupted into chaos Linda got Gary out of the shower he was in the shower they fled the house
00:46:31
for safety to the neighbor's house and watched as their home went up in Flames oh my God now after that was all
00:46:37
controlled Linda told police that she heard the neighbor's dog barking and chasing a car down the road seconds
00:46:43
after the bomb must have hit the house right and it turned out to be a Molotov cocktail holy [ __ ] made from a soda
00:46:49
bottle and gasoline what the [ __ ] and she told them about the weird call that evening too but again
00:46:56
there was not a lot to go off there's no like caller ID or anything and the police were figuring we're not going to
00:47:01
be able to find out who this is like I don't know what to do I'm sorry is this within the same town yeah so are they
00:47:06
like this is connected well so a teenager who had just dropped his date off at a house nearby did manage to get
00:47:13
a look at the car nice nice and he described the car as like early '70s model Dodge brown in color with a white
00:47:19
stripe down the center he said there was a man and woman Inside and when the headlights passed over the vehicle he
00:47:25
briefly got a look at the woman behind the wheel who he described as being white and she had long reddish hair okay
00:47:32
now this sounds like uh like Judy sure does yeah saw pick yeah um neither Linda nor her husband could think of anyone
00:47:42
who would want a Molotov cocktail their house that's a good thing and as far as she knew she was like I think the people
00:47:48
at the youth de Development Center like like me I haven't had any bad interactions in the recent past that I
00:47:54
could think that would lead to anything like this like she really couldn't think
00:47:57
of anything and then as the police were interviewing them both the phone rang again and Linda answered and it was the
00:48:04
voice of a young woman and she said something about the and this is a random young woman saying something about the
00:48:10
shooting at Ken D's house the previous night and the fire at Linda and Gary's and Linda was like who the [ __ ] are you
00:48:17
what are you talking about and the girl said you both will die before the night's over and then hung the phone up
00:48:23
oh my God so Linda was like what what the [ __ ] because she was shocked to hear
00:48:27
about the attack on Ken she knew he was like in a shitty mood that day but she was like oh my God he got shot at like
00:48:33
and then why did I what the [ __ ] and then the police asked her to listen to a recording of a 911 call that had placed
00:48:39
that night the girl on the recording of the 911 call had said to the 911 dispatcher that she was calling about
00:48:47
the shooting at Ken D's house and the fire at the adir home she said quote for the sex abuse that I went through in the
00:48:54
YDC and the dispatcher asked her to explain and the caller said it was quote sex
00:49:01
abuse and for the abuse I took they are both going to die and who knows it might
00:49:05
be tonight and then H the F God like what the [ __ ] so these attacks were obviously done by Alvin and Judy we
00:49:14
found out later y um after they had done this they head it to maon I think it is
00:49:19
maon I think Mac on you're right I think I I did a little more on you know it's one of those guys um this time they went
00:49:26
in separate cars she went in a brown Dodge and he went in a red Ford Granada and they tried so after Alvin had come
00:49:34
out of prison like I said they had tried to reconcile like several times since he
00:49:39
had been like I just don't like you anymore and they did this together right they did this together even though and
00:49:45
like I said even though their relationship wasn't the same that it was they were still in that like us against
00:49:51
the world like we have to punish people together everyone hates us so we hate everyone kind of thing yeah so it's like
00:50:02
very strange and they were using a CB radio to connect with each other in the cars candy cane yeah it's like very Joy
00:50:08
Ride it's weird it's very strange and like I said they weren't in the same like obsessive passionate relationship
00:50:14
like romantic quote unquote relationship idea with each their idea but again their shared disdain for Humanity and
00:50:22
the people around them was what was keeping them connected in this it's very weird um this was just the beginning of
00:50:28
their big plan and douly and Adair were only two of the names of the list of a list of YDC employees that they were
00:50:36
targeting oh no uh Judy claimed it was for abuse she suffered there it should be said there is no evidence that Judy
00:50:44
was abused or sexually assaulted during her time in juvenile detention but there
00:50:49
are countless examples of children being abused in similar institutional settings
00:50:55
and having it not be documented so it is entirely possible yep but there is no documented proof yep so I just you need
00:51:02
to take it how it is like none of us know for sure but there is no way that we can say that that is not true I
00:51:08
really hope she wasn't now once they reached their destination Judy placed a call to the home of Linda Allen who was
00:51:14
a staff member at the Y YDC uh Judy told Linda that her husband had been she so Judy was saying like
00:51:21
it's me like I I was one of the girls there and she said her husband had been beating her and she needed Linda's help
00:51:29
she begged her for help now believing Judy to be in danger Linda Allen agreed to meet her at a at a motel the
00:51:35
following day she was like I'll help you out of this situation clearly she's a good person but the next day someone
00:51:41
from YDC called to say that Linda had been called out of town and wouldn't be able to make it okay Linda literally
00:51:48
dodged a bullet because Alvin and Judy planned to kill her oh my God but she somehow got called out of town at the
00:51:54
last second wow that's a guardian angel kind of thing right there so they moved on to the next name on the list so next
00:52:00
up was John brownley who was a security guard at the YDC uh Judy believed that this man had been attracted to her
00:52:07
that's all she said she didn't say he assaulted her she just believed he had a crush on her okay um having found his
00:52:13
number she called the house and got brownly on the phone and reminded him that he'd once told her if she ever
00:52:19
happened to be in the area she should look him up mhm so who knows it sounds like that was the yeah and caught off
00:52:27
guard brownley told Judy he couldn't meet her because he' just gotten married a few months earlier he was like I'm
00:52:32
married now okay so she decided to let that one go the plan was derailed interesting but that's all he that's all
00:52:40
it took had to say I know now they decided to go with a new plan because they were like you know what we got to
00:52:46
go big now because this isn't working out how I wanted to so they were now going to Simply track down each of the
00:52:51
men Judy said had abused her break into their homes and then Alvin had a plan that he was going to rape their wives in
00:52:58
front of them oh Jesus as payback to what they had done oh wow yeah that's it escalated very quickly a lot now the
00:53:06
more they talked the more Alvin and Judy just like fed each other and like were feeding each other's [ __ ] upness and
00:53:13
just like rage and aggression and hate and all of this this is so much and the problem was though that finding the home
00:53:21
addresses and phone numbers for all the employees at YDC was not easy you didn't
00:53:26
have like Google back then a good thing um and after a few days of driving around aimlessly they decided to abandon
00:53:32
this Revenge fantasy and they headed back in the direction of Rome and decided we need a new terrible
00:53:38
plan and this one's really terrible so trigger warning on the afternoon of September 25th 1982 Gail Henderson and
00:53:47
six girls from the ethal harpst home which was a facility for neglected and abandoned girls arrived at the Riverbend
00:53:55
Mall in Rome to do some shopping okay um after giving the five older girls very strict instructions to stay together
00:54:02
while they were at the mall Gail took the youngest of the girls with her to run some erands she told the other girls
00:54:07
the older ones meet her in front of the Radio Shack in one hour Radio Shack um Gail regrouped about an hour later but
00:54:15
one of them the 13-year-old girl Lisa milikin was missing now the girls told Henderson
00:54:22
that Lisa had become separated from the group somehow but they figured she would
00:54:26
just meet them outside the Radio Shack when she realized the time they waited for about 20 minutes and then they split
00:54:31
into two groups and went in different directions to try to find Lisa they couldn't find her so now Gail was
00:54:36
panicking of course went to Mall security to explain the situation they split up against again now with guards
00:54:42
to find nothing so they called the police a more formal search happened nothing she just disappeared oh God
00:54:50
months later investigators in Rome interviewed several young women who recall called that day being approached
00:54:56
by a teenage girl on that afternoon in some cases the teenager asked if their names were Kim or Phyllis okay
00:55:05
indicating that she was trying to meet someone and they hadn't shown up kind of thing MH most of them simply shook their
00:55:11
heads and were're like okay bye yeah but a woman Suzanne Clans who was at the riverb mall that day with her husband
00:55:17
had a longer interaction with this girl this girl was Judy I figured um according to Suzanne she said the girl
00:55:23
looked very dirty like she hadn't bathed in a while gross and she said she was looking for someone named Kim and she
00:55:29
said the girl asked Suzanne if she was alone at the mall and when Suzanne explained that she
00:55:34
was with her husband the girl seemed to lose all interest and just walked away oh this is so [ __ ] creepy so suzan
00:55:41
had no way of knowing it but that afternoon at the riverb mall she was about to be abducted and killed by Alvin
00:55:47
if she hadn't had her husband with her wow now Lisa milikin however was not lucky she had been lured and abducted by
00:55:56
Alvin and Judy she's 13 so they just completely abandoned the plan where it seemed like there was targeting
00:56:03
employees at this place who had wronged her and now they're just going after allegedly but now they're just going
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after anybody for and that's what makes me think that there's the there wasn't a a total
00:56:15
motive here right that's clear at Le even maybe to begin with potentially exactly um so they abducted Lisa they
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took her back to the chattah huchi motel Rome and that night the night cler Claire DH said she noticed them right
00:56:30
away when they came in she thought it was an odd Trio right an old [ __ ] guy with two teenage girls well she was like
00:56:36
the man and the young woman seemed like they were a couple like clearly but she said that young girl with them was
00:56:40
clearly not their child like she was too old to be their child like it was very strange and the next morning when DH
00:56:48
went to check on the room uh that the three of them were in the they had already checked out soda cans and candy
00:56:54
wrap ERS were everywhere and she said it appeared as though only one of the two beds had been slept in okay now the
00:57:01
scene repeated itself again over the next two days they checked into the Five Points motel in scotsboro Alabama and on
00:57:08
the morning of September 28th the motel's owner um he went to clean room 12 where they were found the same kind
00:57:14
of thing cookie wrappers soda cans like just crap everywhere and all three of them are checking in to and only one bed
00:57:21
is being used okay later that afternoon just before 1 p.m. A call came into Rome
00:57:28
Police Headquarters and was received by Watch Commander Lonnie Adcock the callers was a young teenage girl it
00:57:34
seemed who said y'all looking for Lisa Anne milikin on the run from the harps to and then claimed to have information
00:57:41
to help find her mhm she said go up to Little River Canyon in Alabama and then gave Specific Instructions where to find
00:57:49
Lisa the phrasing made them feel like she they were not going to find her alive yeah um they were skeptical but
00:57:57
they went out to little RI River Canyon to take a look okay as they um as officers from Rome were driving up
00:58:04
Lookout Mountain to reach the canyon Jenny West who was a news director at local station
00:58:09
wgaa received a tip from a young woman who called her desk the caller said Lisa milikin that girl that ran away from the
00:58:16
harpst to on Friday she's been killed and the Rome police are covering it up I think what we're seeing here is this us
00:58:24
against the World everyone's out to get us thing is just their shared delusion that they're using as an excuse to hurt
00:58:31
people yeah sounds like it CU now they're saying the Rome police are covering it up when they have nothing to
00:58:36
do with it and the caller then gave some detailed directions to find Lisa's body
00:58:40
and West interrupted and said how was she killed how was she killed and she said she was shot by a female juvenile
00:58:47
officer from the harps home this morning she was at the Little River Canyon and she's still there so now she's trying to
00:58:53
blame the people people from the home right now unsure whether this was real or a prank like a horri prank chased
00:59:01
down a fake lead Jenny West went to the Rome Police Headquarters and told them about it and the detectives were like
00:59:07
yeah like we also got a similar message from that and you know she had disappeared from the riverb mall about a
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week earlier so like that name is absolutely true and um but they let the reporter know that they had gone out to
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the canyon and hadn't found any evidence of a murder or a body um and they also investigated everyone
00:59:27
who work worked at the harps and no one had a history of violence or criminality
00:59:32
they were like no one's a suspect there like we don't suspect anyone there right
00:59:36
and in all likelihood they said we think she just ran away like that's the likely
00:59:41
thing that happened here right and you know hopefully she would turn up eventually we'll keep looking into leads
00:59:46
and try to find her and um but they wanted to put the reporter's mind at ease and their own so investigators told
00:59:52
her you know what we're going to call the authorities into call County Alabama and let them know that that a second tip
00:59:57
has been received okay so the next day on September 29th the deal County Sheriff's Office got a call from another
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young woman wanting to know whether they had found the body in the canyon but the officer was like what the
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[ __ ] like no we haven't and the caller just hung up so the young woman called again later that evening and gave more
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precise directions like like being like go like wanting them to find her right so the sheriffs were like um all the
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sheriffs were like you know what let's go out now and go we got to look so it took some time to get up the mountain to
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where this she said the body would be and the sun was actually starting to set so it was getting dark in the canyon
01:00:36
yikes um but crawling on his stomach out to the edge of the mountain Alabama Alabama state trooper Tommy Brock shined
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his flashlight down into the canyon and he said he immediately saw a pair of jeans hanging from a tree branch oh no
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so he was like oh [ __ ] so he swept the light across the Canyon floor and illuminated the body of Lisa an milikin
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more than 80 ft below 13 years old so they did they throw her over the side of the mountain what happened to her is
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horrific and I just need you all to know that ahead of time like it's going to be
01:01:09
rough yeah now once they were able to retrieve her body from the canyon floor the deal County coroner Ronald Barry
01:01:15
confirmed that she had indeed been killed by a gunshot wound of the chest and she had been dead about 31 hours
01:01:21
when she was discovered um detectives from Georgia contacted um their counterparts in Alabama and they
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confirmed that the voice of the caller matched the same caller that called into the deal County Sheriff's Office and so
01:01:36
they started which this is one of those instances where you're like thankfully they worked together they coordinated
01:01:42
and they did they had a joint investigation that's awesome now with the body taken out of the canyon uh
01:01:48
crime scene technicians began searching the canyon floor and all around for evidence they found several items of of
01:01:54
clothing a large amount of trash because they're [ __ ] pigs and criminalist John kilborne also found several
01:02:01
disposable syringes near where the body had been dis uh discovered strange they took up some tests and determined that
01:02:08
the syringes didn't contain narcotics oh they were sent in for more analysis and
01:02:14
it was determined that whatever had been in the syringes was extremely acidic in
01:02:18
nature it took some time to narrow it down but they found out that um analysts eventually determined that the syringes
01:02:25
had contained two very common cleaning products liquid Drano and Liquid Plumber oh
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no so this seemed pretty unusual to lab technicians they were confused by that um but then when you look at the autopsy
01:02:42
results you see that this makes sense oh god um so the cause of death was obviously a shot to the chest um there
01:02:49
was repeated sexual assault on this poor girl and the autopsy technician found six puncture wounds in her
01:02:57
neck um so at some point before her death Lisa and milikin had been subjected to a form of chemical torture
01:03:05
and at the point of injection it had boiled the fatty tissue beneath her skin reducing it to an odd liquid which
01:03:11
resembled burnt cooking grease so they injected Drano and Liquid Plumber into her neck what they would
01:03:17
learn afterwards after they had been arrested because luckily these [ __ ] do get arrested um after they arrested
01:03:24
in investigators learned that while he was in jail Alvin had heard from someone that it would be nearly impossible for
01:03:29
investigators to identify a death as as a murder if the victim was injected with
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acidic chemicals and that the death would be quick like it's an easy way to kill someone but then you also shot her
01:03:40
um well of course because it is entirely false that that would quickly kill someone uhhuh and it's entirely false
01:03:49
that they wouldn't be able to detect it but that didn't stop Judy from injecting
01:03:55
Lisa with those chemicals it was Judy who injected her with Drano and Liquid Plumber a 13ear old she had been tied
01:04:03
Lisa had been tied to a tree outside of the canyon and injected by Judy at least
01:04:09
six times with drain cleaner she's a sick [ __ ] when the injections failed to produce the results that she was looking
01:04:16
for and just caused Unbelievable pain and suffering to Lisa Judy simply shot Lisa in the chest and pushed her off the
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ledge and into the canyon oh my God so they now knew how and they also knew a young woman was
01:04:31
almost certainly involved at this point in the murder of Lisa because at this point they didn't know it was Judy and
01:04:36
Alvin but they knew it was a young woman involved because she had called a hundred times to let them know right but
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they needed to find out who and also where Lisa had been in the days between when she was abducted and murdered and
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what the [ __ ] is going on here and what had happened to this that timeline this
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isn't going to be the last person that dies from these two idiots that's where I'm going to leave
01:04:58
for part one cuz that's a lot because I have to take a minute after that because
01:05:03
I it's really heavy it's the amount of abuse neglect horrible trauma it's h it's this is a tough one
01:05:14
it's been it's been uh requested many times that's why finally I finally bit it and did it but like oof this is a
01:05:22
tough one yeah um everyone go hug someone you love high five someone you love make you know pay for someone's
01:05:29
coffee in share coffee with someone you yeah just like go do something that makes you feel a little warm and fuzzy
01:05:34
inside that doesn't hurt anyone else okay get a donut don't hurt people hurt people hurt people wow don't do that and
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yeah and you know what go listen to an episode of the rewatcher to kind of cool yourself down from this yes perfect
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palette cleanser and once you do that you'll be ready for part two on Thursday perfect okay so so we got you covered
01:05:58
all the way around and you can also listen to you know scream if you want to scream is fun you could listen to obit
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to obituary lenary always a good laugh strange and unusual podcast go listen to Allison and her soothing voice yes if
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you go listen to Al loone at lunch and get the [ __ ] away from all of this just
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go listen to Comedy yeah alone at lunch is the perfect funny human beings with a really
01:06:23
funny funny guests if you need to totally disengage from anything dark yeah you know got you covered baby we
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got you all right so we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird if I have to tell you not to keep it
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this weird you're [ __ ] up in the head and I have no hope love [Music] you [Music]