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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. Yeah. >> Whoa. I was so confused
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because behind you Oh, I have a confession. Hold on. So, there's like a thing behind Elena. It's sister
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imperator, right? >> Yeah. >> I thought that was Sabrina, the teenage witch. >> I love that
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>> for a minute. >> And I saw that there was like a candle like in the reflection of that. So, I
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thought there was a candle behind your head and I got scared for you. >> Wow. >> But it's simply a reflection.
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>> It's simply a reflection. >> And I discovered so much in that moment. >> You did. You really had a lot of
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discoveries. >> Yeah, I did. >> Yeah. It's the comic book. >> Yeah. That's cool.
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>> Yeah. She looks like Sabrina sort of >> a little bit. >> I'm I'm also um like I'm not a good I
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don't have good sight. >> No, it's true. >> I almost said I'm not a good sightseer.
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>> I'm really tired. >> I haven't slept very well. Actually, no. I think I slept too good last night.
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>> I did. >> We've talked about it. Um, no. I did not sleep well last night because um,
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Sydney, one of my dogs who just really loves a violent booty wiggle. She's so happy. She's so happy all the time. So,
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her booty is just constantly wiggling to a point where she like creates gravitational pull, I think.
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>> And I think she did create gravitational pull because um, she sprained her tail.
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She sprained her tail just for being so happy. >> It's called swimmer's tail. >> That's like spraining your face from
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smiling or like spraining your wrist because you're like waving at people all the time.
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>> Happens to labs a lot because they just love being excited and waggling their
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tails so they can sprain their tail. >> So, she sprained her tail and she's going to be fine.
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>> I love that. >> Uh we she we brought her to the vet and everything, but she scared us last
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night. I don't love that she sprained her tail. I just love how happy she is. how happy she is that like she sprayed
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into doing something she loves, which is a real big booty shake. >> A big old booty shake shake.
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>> And she But it was so scary because we were going to sleep and all of a sudden
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she just popped up. I don't know. She must have sat on it in a strange way and that's where it like came.
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>> But she jumped up squealing and we were like panicking. We're like, "What is happening?" I was like, "Is she having
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like a can she have appendicitis? Like what is going on? Is there like things that can rupture?"
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>> Yeah. John like rushed her to the emergency vet and it was that. So they were able to like calm it down like the
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pain. So she was because she was >> we when she got up she was rushing around but like with her body like tail
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tucked and screeching. >> Oh >> like it and it was literally 12:30 in the morning like at night in the
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morning. >> It's because our animals are retrograde. >> They are in retrograde. I said to Elena,
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"So, my [ __ ] adventure this probably like earlier this weekend was I woke up to Remy screaming and I was like, "What
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the fuck?" And he opened up this like thing that he had on his chin and I thought one of the other cats had just
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hit him and that's what that was. >> So, I was like, "Fuck, we got to bring him in." Like, he keeps opening this
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like little like scab on his chin. >> Have you guys heard that there's a [ __ ] thing called feline acne?
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>> I did not know that existed. >> Has feline acne. So then he has to like wear a cone and it's like this whole
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crazy thing. And then this is a thing that's never happened to us before. When one goes to the vet sometimes the others
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can like think that they smell weird and >> I didn't know this. >> Yeah. It's like a cat thing. They don't
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recognize that that cat is like part of their family when they come back. So Franklin and Lux have just been like
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bullying the [ __ ] out of poor Remy who's just like in a cone and smells bad. >> So sad Remy.
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>> It's so sad. So, we have one animal with feline acne and one who's just so happy
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she broke her butt. >> Just so happy. >> Just the animals. >> One is going through puberty. Yeah.
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>> The other one is just shaking her ass so hard that she breaks it. When they said
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feline acne to us, that's the kind of [ __ ] that they're like, "Yeah, feline acne. $800, please."
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>> Yeah. Thanks. >> Okay. >> Appreciate that. >> Sounds good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Awesome.
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>> Animals, man. >> Animals be crazy. I had a really nice moment last night with Doolo and
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Franklin. They were both laying. Did you see I posted it on Instagram? >> Oh, yeah. It was so beautiful. You said
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breaking news. >> Moments after I posted that, she literally just turned her head back
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slowly like she was stretching. Franklin wammed her in the face and ran away. I was like, "You're making a liar out of
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me. She didn't even do anything." I love that. Yeah. So, that's animals. That's animals. That's our animals in
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retrograde. >> That's our animals retrograde. I have a haunting for us today because
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we've been talking about some crazy [ __ ] lately. We've done some muas. We've done
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some listen to tales. We've done some doc spooky [ __ ] >> Some doc spooky [ __ ]
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>> And I miss the spooky season. Yeah. >> And I had a leftover from it. >> Got to sprinkle it in every once in a
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while. >> I said, "Let's go. We're going to talk about the Stallings family haunting
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today." >> So Nancy Stallings got divorced in early 1964, and it seemed like her entire
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world had ended. Of course, at the time, divorce was still a very taboo subject for a lot of Americans. And after years
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of marriage and three kids, she was like, "How am I just going to start over with someone else?"
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>> That's rough. >> That's rough. But when the initial strangeness of being single wore off
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after about a month or so and the divorce was official, Nancy could finally see herself getting back out
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there. She's going to get her groove back. >> Yeah. She wants to meet somebody new.
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She didn't really know who she was going to be interested in cuz, you know, I like that
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>> she's got a new lease on life. She's got to get the partner that fits, but she's
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ready to go out and mingle. So, in December of that year, she signed up for a lecture being put on by um the local
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chapter of Parents Without Partners, which is just the saddest club ever. >> That is the saddest club.
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>> Parents Without Partners. >> Oh, I want them all to find partners. That's kind of what they go for. Yeah.
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you know, so she was fairly new to the group, but Nancy was surprised by how many older men there were. And
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especially compared to the number of women who were around her age, which was like probably like late 20s, early 30s.
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She wasn't opposed to socializing with older men, but yeah, she was in her early 20s, so none of them seemed like
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they were going to be potential new romantic partners. Like she wasn't looking for an older guy.
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>> So she chatted briefly with one of the men in the group, and she finally got the courage up to ask him, "Aren't there
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any young people here?" And the man Frank laughed. He was like, "Yeah, there's a lot of older people here,
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huh?" But he took her over to meet a man named Ron Stallings. He said, "He's a nice young man. Let me introduce you."
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So Nancy was like really nervous all of a sudden, but Ron turned out to be a very polite man, and they had a ton in
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common. >> A >> He was also recently divorced. He also had three young kids from his last
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marriage. >> Look at that. >> Yeah, they were just hitting it off. >> Yeah. >> After a brief conversation, Ron said,
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"I'd love to call you sometime." And Nancy was like, "Hell yeah, brother. I'd love to get called somehow."
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>> "Hell yeah, brother." But she had just had a new phone put in and she couldn't
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remember the number. And she was like, "I I really mean that. Like, it's not an excuse. I do want to talk to you. I just
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can't remember myself." >> Legit. >> So, they went their separate ways and they hoped they'd run into each other
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again soon. It's literally like the beginning of a romcom. >> It really is. >> I love it.
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>> As luck would have it, just like in the romcoms, they did run into each other
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again. >> I'm glad I was worried. It was at the next Parents Without Partners meeting,
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of course. And at that point, Nancy had made a point, or at by that time, Nancy made a point of writing down her phone
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number before she went to the meeting because she was hoping he would be there. >> Oh, I love that.
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>> So, he was they exchanged numbers and Ron ended up calling her a few days later to go on a date. And soon enough,
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they were exclusively dating. They were seeing each other multiple times a week.
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Ron proposed at one point. A few months later, they got married. It was beautiful.
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Now, it wasn't long after their wedding that Nancy started having this really strange, vivid dream that she would
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repeatedly have over the course of like the next several years. In the dream, she and Ron had just bought a really big
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old house in the country. The house in her dream seemed to be like a hundred years old at least. It was new to them,
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but it was old. And somehow to Nancy, it felt very familiar. Like whenever she was in the dream, she knew where she was
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going in this house. >> I kind of love that. >> Yeah. Well, you're not going to for a
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while. Oh no. >> So in the dream she remembered that she was standing in what she thought was the
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kitchen and she was watching two people have a heated argument and she felt like
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she knew the people who were arguing but she couldn't quite make out all the details of their faces.
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>> But one of them did look a lot like Ron she thought. So without warning in the
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dream, the argument that she was witnessing got explosive and one of the men struck the other. And so the person
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getting hit looked like Ron and he was hit in the head with an axe or a hatchet and was killed instantly. What the [ __ ]
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>> Yeah, I told you you weren't going to like it for that long. >> Damn. Nancy said at that point
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everything became confused quote unquote and she suddenly was standing in the backyard of the house surrounded by
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fruit trees >> and the ghosts of the two men were standing in the kitchen looking out at
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her through the window and she said they were laughing at us because they had scared us and caused us so much trouble.
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>> Oh, >> isn't that like the scariest dream? >> This is the spookiest dream. She
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couldn't say for sure, but she felt like the ghosts in the house seemed to take a
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lot of pleasure in the fact that they scared the [ __ ] out of her like so badly. And then before she knew it, she
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was awake again. >> That's frightening. >> Yeah, I would hate that dream. >> I would hate that. And it's so vivid.
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>> It's so vivid and it's recurring for years. >> That's the thing. It keeps coming.
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That's the thing. >> So, at that time, she didn't know what to make of the dream. That was like the
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first time she had it. She wasn't superstitious and she figured it was probably just the stress from like
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wedding planning, the actual wedding happened, merging families, house hunting, like just life. But she still
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couldn't shake the feeling that the dream was some kind of like premonition. So she decided right then and there that
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they were house hunting. So she was like, I'm not looking at any mansions in the country. Like we'll we'll scratch
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those off the list. >> Yeah. So in a it was August 1965 by the time they finally like seriously started
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looking at houses with a realtor. Nancy was going to be responsible for the care
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of six children from the ages 2 to seven. Whoa. And it was on Ron to bring in the income. So that seriously limited
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their options. Nancy said, "We wanted enough space so that we weren't constantly falling over each other and
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getting in each other's way." So they agreed that they would probably need to find a house that was like in need of
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repairs because they need a bigger house, but they don't have this crazy big budget.
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>> Yeah. >> And Ron was fairly handy around the house and Nancy was like, "I'm a decent
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decorator." So, a fixer upper was fine for them. It was like an exciting challenge, not a headache.
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>> Yeah. >> Even though they were willing to lower their standards, their budget was
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$8,000, which is like not a lot of money at all. It's It's a lot of money today. It's
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$82,000 for a house. >> For a house that's nothing. >> So, it wasn't going to go a long way in
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finding a house that would accommodate eight people. Cuz remember, they have like a [ __ ] ton of kids.
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>> I know. That's the thing. >> Nancy said, this is so mean. She said, "Several realtor actually laughed at us
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when we mentioned our budget. Some even refused to help us look, claiming that there was nothing on the market for that
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low of a price. >> Oh, that makes me sad. >> I know. >> It's a good challenge. >> That's the thing.
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>> Take it on. >> And Nancy did. Despite the discouraging reaction from realtor, she said, "Fuck
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y'all. I got this. >> [ __ ] y'all." >> And even when their realtor and Ron himself abandoned the search just out of
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frustration cuz they couldn't find anything. She carried on. She kept looking. And by the end of the month,
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she found something that matched their criteria. So, the ad in the classified found something.
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>> I know you'll be able to believe it by the end. The ad in the classifides listed the house as a handyman special.
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Like, oof. >> That's That's a I wouldn't It can be a red flag. It's definitely a
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>> It's telling you what it is up front. >> Yellow to orange flag, I would say. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> Uh it was a big two-story cottage in Baltimore's Hamilton neighborhood, which
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was like an area of older homes on a quiet treeine street. like very nice, quiet vibes, good neighborhood.
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>> When they pulled up out front, Ron and Nancy weren't exactly impressed though.
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The house was big, but it was also badly in need of repair. >> You could tell that much literally just
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from the sidewalk. >> Yeah. >> But at the same time, it did seem to check all of the boxes that they had and
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several kind of like bonus things that Nancy hadn't had on her list like uh hardwood floors, stained glass windows,
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just like nice little bonus things like that. and it was in their price range. So, when they walked into the house
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though, Nancy said she had a feeling of heaviness. >> She said there was just something odd
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about the house from the moment we entered. The atmosphere was heavy, stale, depressing. But we attributed
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that sensation to the peeling wallpaper, the cracked plaster walls and ceilings and antique furniture left behind by the
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elderly lady who lived there. >> Yeah, I think so, too. >> So, according to her son, who was
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managing the sale, the previous owner lived in the house for like decades. It's like she had lived there forever,
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but she wasn't able to keep up with the maintenance and, you know, just everything that comes with owning a home
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in her later years. So, the house had fallen into disrepair into its previous or into its present state.
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>> One afternoon, a few months earlier, the gardener arrived to the house and when
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nobody answered the door, he looked in the windows and he saw the elderly woman sprawled out on the floor.
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>> Oh. >> And that was when her family was like, "Yeah, like she can't live in this big
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house alone anymore." So he said that's why they put it on the market for such a surprisingly low price
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that they just needed the cover the money to cover medical bills after she was hospitalized and like getting her a
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new place like that kind of thing. >> But a few years later when asked about the incident, the elderly homeowner
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ended up telling Ron and Nancy that she felt as if she had been pushed to the floor and that she laid there for 3 days
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unable to move until the gardener found her. This elderly lady was pushed to the
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floor. She felt like she was pushed to the floor, but she was home alone. >> Oh, I don't like these ghosts. What do
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you mean? >> So, obviously, Ron and Nancy didn't find that out until like much later. But even
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before they moved into the house, their new family life together was getting off
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to a very strange, very ominous start. This would send me. On the day of the signing, after everything had been
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signed and it was now like legally official and they were walking out, the owner's son, like the previous owner's
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son, caught up with Ron and Nancy in the parking lot. He shook their hands and, you know, thanked them for buying the
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house. And then he kind of like looked them over and said, "I want to wish you people a lot of luck and I hope you're
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good fighters." >> You got to turn around and you got to say, "Nope." Actually, could you shred
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those recently signed? >> Usually not. I hope you're good fighters. >> I hope you're good fighters. Never enter
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something that somebody says that. >> Why did you choose to say that to me after I already put my John Hancock on
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that pick >> on that document? >> That's exactly why. >> Yeah. So they were like, uh, what? Like
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I hate that a lot. >> Terrifying. They were like, but he just walked away after that. So they're left
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to wonder what the [ __ ] that meant. So, they wondered maybe if they were walking
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into like a bad neighbor situation, like if they were going to have an annoying neighbor or if like the neighborhood in
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general was going to be an issue. >> Yeah. You don't know what the [ __ ] that meant.
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>> But he just turned around and walked back to his car. So, they were just like
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staring confused at each other, left to wonder what the [ __ ] that meant. >> Yeah.
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>> So, a few weeks later, as they packed all their belongings into the moving truck, the comment about being good
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fighters had completely left their mind. For me, that would have stayed in my mind every day for the rest of my life.
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>> Yep. But who? >> They were just excited to be moving into their new house, though. They had been
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looking for a while. >> So, when they got there and they saw the house for the first time, Ron and NY's
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kids could barely contain their excitement. It was this big house. They were all going to have their own room.
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Like, they were excited. >> Yeah. >> So, once they got through the door, they all split up and just like looked for a
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bedroom. As they were unpacking the truck and loading boxes into the house, Nancy noticed that at the houses up and
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down the streets, all the neighbors seem to be sitting out on their front porches, like sitting in chairs angled
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toward their house, watching them move in. >> Um, yeah, the the red flags are piling
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up here. Yeah. >> But again, there's nothing they can do. It's like you already signed the papers.
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>> Yeah. And you don't have a ton of money. Like it was already tough to find this
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house as You just get to deal with all this creepiness. >> Yeah. But in that instant, she flashed
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back to what that previous owner's son had said. She was like, "Did we make a huge mistake here?"
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>> Well, what have we done? >> So, a few days later, she was upstairs unpacking boxes in one of the kids'
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rooms, and she decided to open the windows to air the room out. And she said although the house had been aired
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out and cleaned, it still had that strange feeling. But when she tried to lift the window, it just literally would
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not move. At first, she was like, "Oh, maybe it was like painted shut." But then she noticed that it had been nailed
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shut with giant construction nails. >> What the [ __ ] The window had been nailed shut.
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>> In fact, why? >> Not only that was not the only window that was nailed shut. She went on to
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discover that all of the windows on the second floor had been nailed shut in exactly the same way. I don't like that.
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So, between the strange feeling and the windows being [ __ ] nailed shut, Ron and Nancy decided to move the kids'
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bedrooms to three large rooms on the first floor. They were like, "You know what? Sorry, you don't get your own
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bedrooms anymore because shit's weird upstairs." >> Sometime later, a neighbor came by to
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introduce herself. And Nancy was like, "Hey, do you know anything about the lady that lived here before and why she
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might have um nailed all the upstairs windows shut?" Any idea? Hey, girl. Any insight? I was just wondering. So, the
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woman just laughed and she said, "Oh, that crazy old lady who lived here." She thought someone was getting in, moving
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her stuff, and taking her stuff. And uh she had her son nail those windows shut.
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>> So she thought that somebody was like breaking in and moving all her stuff around.
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>> Nailed the windows shut. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> That'll stop them. >> I mean, that's going to stop the windows
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from being open. >> It's true. >> That damn. >> But also, I'd be like, why did she think
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somebody was moving her stuff around? Like, I would hate that. >> I hate that a lot
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>> because it would I would also be like, did somebody like live in the walls? That's my biggest fear.
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So, in the first few weeks, Ron and Nancy just, you know, dismissed the odd sensations in the house. They were like,
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"H, you know, we just have to like make our make our we're going to make it a home."
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>> Yeah. Exactly. Like, we're we're doing it. >> Mhm. >> And they just said, "It'll subside once
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we get settled in." But what they didn't know at that time was that they weren't
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the only two who felt like things in the house were not right. NY's oldest son, Alan, said it was real dreary and had a
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kind of creepy feeling to it, like something had happened there, like something might happen there again.
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>> Yeah. >> Yuck. >> Now, not long after moving in, NY's cousin Bill stopped by to see the house,
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and he was, you know, had like a housewarming present. He was really excited. He was cheerful. He was us,
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this guy was like always in a good mood, but he was particularly excited for them
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today. So he walked around. Nancy was giving him a tour of the first floor and she was like, "Oh, you know, we're going
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to remodel here. We're going to redecorate this. This is our plan." They went through the whole first floor and
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then they walked to the stairs. And Nancy was like, "Oh, go ahead and check out the second floor. Like, I'm just
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going to go do something." And she was like, "Sorry, it's still kind of messy." So Bill, her cousin, started, you know,
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walking up the stairs. But about halfway up, he stopped dead in his tracks, hesitated there for a moment, and just
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turned around and came back downstairs. >> Nancy said he had the strangest, most
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bewildered look on his face. It seemed like all like the happiness had drained from his body and all of the sudden he
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was like, "Oh, I actually have to leave right now because I have to go do something at the bank that I totally
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forgot about. Bye." No. And then he just turned and left without saying anything
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else, >> which was um very uncharacteristic. >> Wow. >> Years later, Nancy asked her cousin
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about this and he explained that when he got halfway up the stairs, he got overwhelmed by a profound feeling of
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anxiety and dread. >> Nancy said an unexplicable panic overcame him and he felt as though he
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couldn't get out of that house fast enough. I I don't know how you go forward with
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this so far with making this like a quote unquote home. >> Yeah. >> Like I know they're stuck. So there's
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literally no but I'm like where do you go from here? >> That's the What do you Which room do you
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decorate first? >> From here. And how do you decorate it? >> With crucifixes. >> That's like we'll just spray holy water
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at all the walls. >> You kind of like hot topic buy it. >> The heavy I can feel the vibe in this
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house. >> I can smell it >> and I'm nowhere near it. Yeah. Oh, so spooky. So, yeah, Bill like rarely came
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back to the house and if he did, he was very trepidacious and like very not himself at the house.
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>> So, that was one of the first incidents and, you know, indications that something might be wrong with this new
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house, but it was not the only thing. >> Not long after moving in, they started noticing like small peculiarities, I
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guess. >> They said that faucets would turn off and on without anybody moving the knobs.
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Nancy said, "I didn't understand how that could happen, but we figured must be because it's an old house." Yeah,
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sure. Why not? Lights would flicker on and off. A few months after moving in, Allan was helping his mom clean up the
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kitchen after dinner, and he was like drying the dishes and putting them away as she was loading them onto the dish
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rack. And at one point, she turned to say something to him. Nancy did. And when she turned back around to like
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continue what she was doing, the dish rack had moved from one side of the sink to the other. And Allan was nowhere near
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it. And there's nobody else in the kitchen. >> It when I become a ghost, I won't do
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that. >> Oh, that's the kind of [ __ ] I'm totally doing. >> I don't I feel like that's such a waste
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of my time and ability as a ghost to move the dish like the drying rack. >> You have to start slow.
00:22:17
>> No. >> Oh, you're going to charge ahead. >> What's your What's your first move as a
00:22:21
ghost >> first? If there's a fire uh if there's a fireplace in the house, I'm fire.
00:22:27
>> I'm going to do fire. >> Yeah. >> Will you open the flume? >> Maybe. Oh, diabolical. Depends. I wish
00:22:34
she had just seen the look in her eyes. She said, >> "Maybe, >> maybe." >> Depends on who I'm haunting, doesn't it?
00:22:39
>> Damn. That's >> If I'm haunting someone I like, flume open. >> Flume open. >> If I'm haunting someone I don't like or
00:22:45
>> kids in the house, it will be open. But if I'm haunting someone I don't like >> with no kids,
00:22:49
>> flume coast. >> Oh no. It's like clap on >> clap. Flume. >> The floomer. >> You die. We took that to two very
00:22:59
different. I'm like the floomer. You're like you die. >> You are April Lgate. >> All right. So, it wasn't just physical
00:23:08
things going on. Not long after moving into the house, Nancy started to notice like very small but noticeable changes
00:23:15
in the personalities of the family. >> Uh-oh. >> She and Ron seemed to be like more
00:23:20
irritable and quicker to anger. Like they were bickering with each other a lot more than they had before.
00:23:24
>> Mhm. >> And even the kids behavior seemed worse. When they first met, they seem to get
00:23:29
along really well with each other cuz remember like she had three kids and he did. So they're like
00:23:32
>> the Brady Bunch. >> Exactly. So they seem to enjoy each other, but now they were always fighting
00:23:38
with each other over like really small things. At the time >> this is very Amityville.
00:23:43
>> It is. At the time they chocked it up to just, you know, like the stress of integrating their families and, you
00:23:48
know, the home buying process, the move, everything. They managed to explain away
00:23:53
all the odd experiences as just part for the course when it came to adjusting to
00:23:57
a new house, especially like a very old one that needed lots of repairs. >> Yeah.
00:24:01
>> But a month later, they finally experienced something that could not be dismissed so easily.
00:24:06
>> What is it? >> What excited? >> This is so good. >> So, it was Saturday night. Ron and Nancy
00:24:13
had gone out to dinner, had a little date night. They said, "We need to get the [ __ ] out of that house and get away
00:24:17
from those kids." So, they left. >> Get our mojo back. >> Yeah. Get their mojo. Exactly. So, they
00:24:21
left the kids at home with Ron's sister Janet babysitting and they were relieved
00:24:25
when they got home and Janet said the kids were actually really well behaved. Everybody went to bed with no problem.
00:24:31
But Janet seemed a little shaken still and they were like, "If everybody was so good, like what's your [ __ ] problem?"
00:24:36
And Janet laughed and she said, "Something happened earlier that like startled and confused me. All the kids
00:24:42
had gone to bed and she was watching TV in the living room and she suddenly said
00:24:46
got the unmistakable feeling that somebody was watching her. >> So she thought it was one of the kids. I
00:24:51
felt that. >> Yeah. Especially babysitting too. It's the worst. >> Yeah. You always feel like someone's
00:24:56
there. >> So she was like, "Is one of the kids like messing with me or are they just
00:24:59
like standing in the corner like a [ __ ] weirdo?" So she got up and she looked down the hall toward the stairs
00:25:04
and she saw an elderly woman standing on the landing of the stairs just looking directly back at her with like anger in
00:25:12
her on her face or like hatred. She said an angry old bitty straight >> on the stairs.
00:25:21
>> Yes. >> This is the thing. >> Yes. In fact, >> this is the thing. I don't want that.
00:25:27
No, I don't want an angry old video on the stairs. >> It's not. >> No, it's the last thing you want.
00:25:34
>> It's literally the last thing I want. >> So, according to Janet, the woman looked
00:25:37
like someone from an era long ago and was wearing a long dress and a bonnet. >> A bonnet. See, we're we're not going to
00:25:46
have the same views. And if you're an angry old bitty with a bonnet with bad views, I don't
00:25:53
>> a biddy in a bonnet with bad views. an angry old bitty in a bonnet with bad news.
00:25:59
>> It's not good. >> Yeah, I don't want that. >> No. So, they just like looked at each
00:26:04
other for what else do you do? >> And then Janet said the woman just like poofed away.
00:26:10
>> No. >> She was like, "And I'm just to watch TV and be responsible for these children."
00:26:15
>> I think I just got angry old bitty in a bonnet. >> Yeah. So, she said at first she thought
00:26:19
she was dreaming, but she was like, "Oh, wait. I'm not asleep." >> Oh my lord. So, she was like, "No, I
00:26:24
definitely saw that woman, but like I don't know why." >> Now, not wanting to make things worse or
00:26:28
more tense, Ron was like, "Oh, that's funny. Like, you're that's not real. But thanks for watching the kids."
00:26:35
>> But the older children were also hearing and seeing things that they couldn't
00:26:39
explain. Allan, who was NY's oldest son, he said, "I would lay there at night and
00:26:43
I would hear heavy footsteps, heavy boots. I would hear them come up the steps and I knew it wasn't my parents. I
00:26:49
was terrified." >> Yeah. Nope. Nope. >> Now, what made it easy for the Stallings
00:26:55
to dismiss or explain away their unexplainable experiences at first was that things kind of seem to happen in
00:27:02
clusters. So, there would be these long stretches of time where everything was fine and nothing happened.
00:27:06
>> That's even worse cuz you get this false sense of security. >> I know. But in a house with six kids and
00:27:12
ongoing renovation projects, it was easy for them to get distracted and kind of like forget about whatever strange
00:27:17
experience they had just had. But a few weeks after Janet saw the woman on the stairs, Nancy had her own experience
00:27:23
that would not be so easy to forget. This is like a little intense. So no, it was one morning. It was very early and
00:27:31
Nancy was like deep, deep sleeping. And she said, "I was half awakened by someone making love to me."
00:27:39
I'm sorry, what? She said, "I was half awakened by someone making love to me." Thinking it
00:27:46
was her husband. She wasn't alarmed. She was just kind of annoyed cuz she was like, "I'm not a morning person and he
00:27:51
knows that." >> And okay, so she said she just woke up. Everything was still kind of blurry and she wasn't
00:28:00
even really fully conscious. And when she tried to like rebuff Ron and say like, "Not right now. You know, I'm not
00:28:05
a morning lady. >> Don't wake me up with that nonsense." >> She felt like it was impossible to move.
00:28:11
>> What? >> She couldn't move. And she was like, "Okay, something's wrong, but like I
00:28:15
don't know what's happening right now." She said like she she felt she was drugged or like paralyzed, like that
00:28:21
kind of feeling. And the more she regained consciousness, the more panic she became. She said, "Through my
00:28:27
blurred vision, I could see a dark-haired man with a medium build." The figure was the right size and
00:28:33
stature as Ron, but she knew that this was not her husband. She says, "I was unable to distinguish his facial
00:28:38
features or any distinct details about him, but inherently she knew that this was not Ron." Oh,
00:28:45
>> so the moment of panic and paralysis seemed to drag on for a very long time and then just as suddenly as the feeling
00:28:51
had come on, the whole thing was over. The man vanished. She was able to move again and she regained full
00:28:58
consciousness. She said, "Aside from being somewhat frightened and confused, I had a terrible pain in my head, like
00:29:04
somebody had hit me over the head with something. I hate this so much." Same. Like not only are not only are there
00:29:12
angry old bitties on the stairs with bad views. >> Yep. >> But now there's like sexual assault.
00:29:18
>> Yeah. >> And physical like all kinds of assault. >> There's every assault you could possibly
00:29:23
have. >> She's waking up like she got bashed over the head. I'm like maybe you did.
00:29:26
>> She might have. I hate this. So she calls Ron at work and he came to the phone. So, she knew that he would have
00:29:32
had to have left home on time in order to make it on to work on time and be able to like answer the phone cuz he had
00:29:38
like a 2-hour commute. So, she was like, "Okay, that definitely wasn't wrong." >> Yeah.
00:29:42
>> So, even though she knew the answer, she still asked Ron if he had left late that
00:29:46
morning and if he had had sex with her while she was sleeping. >> Yeah. Like, let me know. She was like,
00:29:50
"Hey, did you drop? Did you leave late and like did we fuke while I was asleep?"
00:29:55
>> And he was like, "Uh, no. I left on time and I didn't have sex with you while you
00:30:01
were sleeping, N. >> But thank you so much for asking. >> Yeah, thank you for thinking I would do
00:30:05
that. Uh, so his response should have been a little bit reassuring, but in this case, it only confirmed what Nancy
00:30:10
knew that the man in her bed that morning, quote unquote, making love to her, was not her husband.
00:30:16
>> That man was not making love to you. That man was raping you. >> I know. See, I'm using quotes, just so
00:30:20
you know. >> No, I know that. >> But great clarification. >> Just clarifying as you should. So, in
00:30:25
the weeks and months that followed, she kept having the sensation that somebody was watching her, especially when she
00:30:31
was alone in her bedroom. Then one night, she was awoken again from a deep sleep with the feeling that somebody was
00:30:37
on top of her trying to engage her sexually. Again, she thought it was Ron, but when she opened her eyes, Ron was
00:30:44
next to her, sound asleep. Huh. So, when she mustered the courage to open her eyes fully and look up, she saw her
00:30:51
attack her for the first time. She said he was semi-olid and I could see the b the bureau through him.
00:30:59
>> So there's an apparition on top of her. >> Now we have a transparent and it's a
00:31:03
man. >> Yeah. >> And there's a transparent man on top of you while your husband is sleeping.
00:31:08
>> Yep. >> Okay. She said she hadn't seen the man since the last time it happened, but she
00:31:13
was sure it was the same person who had assaulted her in her sleep the first time. He was of average height and
00:31:18
muscular with dark hair. and she said somewhere in his like late 30s, early 40s. Unlike the first time it happened
00:31:25
when she felt drugged, this time she felt like she was fully awake. She said she didn't feel scared or confused
00:31:31
though, especially like as scared and confused as she was the first time. >> Mhm.
00:31:35
>> But she said that she actually had the strong sense that this man meant her no
00:31:38
harm. And she said, "With the full knowledge of what was happening, I decided why fight? Whoever this man was,
00:31:45
I like him." >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> I don't like I like him. >> You know what? It's not that bad.
00:31:56
>> That's just That's how you You have to say it. Like I like that guy. Why fight
00:32:02
him? >> That's [ __ ] ghost. >> Who gives a [ __ ] >> Yeah. Get it, girl. Is Is it cheating?
00:32:11
>> Yes. >> Your husband's in the bed next to you, bro. >> But it's a dead man. >> But it's still a man. I don't know. Oh,
00:32:18
this is a person. >> I don't know. >> This is one mighty step up from like a dream
00:32:26
about someone else. >> I guess that's like a giant leap up from there. >> It's something you have to discuss in
00:32:31
your own marriage. What do your parameters also include ghost [ __ ] >> Yeah, I think today I'm going to have a
00:32:38
discussion with John. >> Okay. >> Um that that I think that that's not okay. >> Hey, if you wake up in the night to a
00:32:46
ghost, Can't [ __ ] her. >> Yeah, do not [ __ ] that >> the ghost bitties. >> Okay.
00:32:52
>> Okay. And I won't [ __ ] the ghost well-built men >> broies. Okay. >> Who I can see my bureau through.
00:32:59
>> You have to establish these things. >> You guys do make sure before you enter
00:33:02
into a legal binding marriage that you have this on lock. >> Yeah. >> You're dating.
00:33:09
>> You don't know when this could come out. >> That's the thing. >> You know, like no one,
00:33:12
>> especially in New England, no one knows. >> Shit's haunted around here. >> Yeah. You don't know if a ghost is going
00:33:16
to want to [ __ ] >> And you need to know if your if your husband or your partner cares if you
00:33:22
[ __ ] that ghost. >> If he doesn't care, go crazy. >> Go crazy. >> Say, "I like him. I like him. I got to
00:33:29
like him. >> Fight him." And then just, you know, go for it. >> Go about your life. Yeah. Do what you
00:33:33
got to do. Well, anyways, since it was the early or the late 60s, early 70s, Nancy and Ron didn't feel super
00:33:40
comfortable talking about their paranormal experiences cuz they worried that people were think they were like
00:33:44
cuckoo birds. And they didn't really talk about it at home either. If they had, they might have realized that
00:33:50
literally everybody in the house was experiencing weird [ __ ] but they kind of like experienced their own things as
00:33:55
like a parental unit and like married couple and then like the kids were experiencing things, but nobody was
00:34:00
talking about it. >> Yeah, that makes sense. So, and several of Ron and NY's children were like too
00:34:05
young to know the difference between the like what the real world was and whatever was happening in the house. But
00:34:11
as the oldest child, Allan frequently encountered things that he couldn't explain. There was always a weird
00:34:17
feeling of being watched, he said. But the worst experiences were those that came at night when everybody else was
00:34:23
asleep in the house. One night about a year after they moved in, Allan woke up in the middle of the
00:34:29
night and he walked down the hall to get a drink of water in the bathroom. And while he was standing at the sink
00:34:33
drinking, he said he started to hear a sound coming from down the hall that sounded like somebody was breaking into
00:34:39
the house. So he walked out of the bathroom and he looked down the pitch dark hallway. He took a few steps
00:34:44
forward to investigate a little more when the figure of a man stepped out of the darkness and moved towards him.
00:34:51
Allan said he ran toward his bedroom, sensing that the man was just behind him. And when he got to the room he
00:34:57
shared with his brother, he just swung the door shut and like pulled the blankets over his head.
00:35:01
>> What the [ __ ] And he said from underneath the blanket, he could hear the sound of heavy boots pacing outside
00:35:07
the bedroom door. >> Then he heard the door handle jiggle followed by the sound of the door
00:35:13
opening slowly. >> Nope. So he finally gets the courage to peek above the covers and he heard the
00:35:20
footsteps go back down the hall. >> I hate it. >> So whoever it was chased him to his
00:35:25
bedroom, >> jiggled the handle and then opened the door and dipped. >> It's like what the [ __ ] was the point of
00:35:33
that, bro? >> To freak you out. >> Just to be scary. >> To freak you out. Finally, he got like
00:35:39
enough courage to peek down the hallway and there was nobody there. >> Oh, that's so scary. Yeah.
00:35:45
>> Like that's scary because nothing happened. >> Exactly. But it was everything happened
00:35:50
at the same time. Like I hate that a lot. >> So just a few days before that, Allan
00:35:55
had actually fallen down the stairs. That afternoon he was walking down the stairs to just like meet up with his
00:36:01
parents and go somewhere. And about halfway down the stairs, he said, "I felt like somebody grabbed me from
00:36:06
behind and literally heaved me down the steps." >> What the [ __ ] which is weird because
00:36:11
the old lady who they had bought the house from had the exact same experience. >> Yep.
00:36:16
>> So, it was after those two incidents that Allan finally told his parents about what was going on.
00:36:21
>> So, now Nancy and Ron are like, "Okay, [ __ ] We're not the only people experiencing.
00:36:25
>> Yeah, this isn't great." >> So, in the first year and a half in the house, the Stallings continued to
00:36:30
experience weird, generally harmless incidents that they couldn't explain. But now it seemed like the ghosts or
00:36:37
whatever was in the house not only had the ability to interact with them physically in good ways and in bad
00:36:43
depending on how you look at it. But at least one spirit in the house seemed to want to harm them like your child just
00:36:49
got thrown down the stairs. >> Yeah. To make matters worse, after a while the paranormal incidents weren't
00:36:55
just confined to the house. Apparently, when Nancy gave birth in 1967, she was obviously at the hospital, and she hoped
00:37:02
that the few days stay would kind of be like a reprieve from everything going on
00:37:06
in her house. But instead, she found that the spirits seemed to have followed her to the hospital. The night after she
00:37:13
gave birth, she was lying in her hospital bed trying to get some rest when all of the sudden, she said she got
00:37:19
the feeling she was being watched. She said, "The atmosphere in the room changed. I kept feeling like somebody
00:37:24
was there in the room with me." And she knew that she had been alone for most of
00:37:28
the night, but all of the sudden she said she couldn't shake the feeling that somebody was behind a curtain watching
00:37:33
her. Oh, yeah. No. So with everything happening on and off like this over the course of 2 years
00:37:52
now, Nancy and Ron started, you know, thinking about looking for a new place to live, but all their money was tied up
00:37:59
in the house. So it just didn't seem possible. Since they couldn't really come up with a permanent solution,
00:38:04
though, Ron went to visit his uncle, who was a local Catholic priest, and he was
00:38:08
like, "I just kind of need to fill you in on what's been going on in the house." Ron assumed that his uncle
00:38:14
wouldn't believe the story and he was right. But at the very least, he could see that his nephew was, you know,
00:38:19
stressed and anxietyridden. So, he offered to come and bless the house. >> A few nights later, the priest arrived
00:38:25
at the home and blessed each room as he walked from one floor to the next. And when he was finally done with the
00:38:30
blessing, he performed a Catholic mass in the living room for good measure, just in case. And he said, you know,
00:38:37
hopefully the ritual will like ease your ease your minds. and Allan found the presence comforting. So that night after
00:38:43
the priest had left, the kids were all in bed. Ron and Nancy were just sitting together in the living room watching TV.
00:38:49
And for the first time in weeks, they said the house felt quiet. And they were like, you know, maybe whatever Uncle
00:38:54
Priest did worked. But a few hours later, they started hearing this crazy racket come from the porch. And they
00:39:01
both ran to the window, looked out at the deck, and saw that the kids toys were flying around the porch. They said
00:39:09
there was a tricycle riding back and forth on its own. And it was at that moment Ron said he
00:39:17
realized his uncle blessed the entire house except for the porch. So all the ghosties were on the porch
00:39:26
>> playing with the toys. >> Ron grabbed a crucifix from the living room, which he just had laying around, I
00:39:32
guess. >> I know, >> and ran onto the porch and nailed it on the wall. Apparently, the presence of
00:39:37
the cross stopped the activity for the time being, but they were like, "We're not taking any more chances."
00:39:42
>> Yeah, this is too much, man. >> So, they packed up their seven children into their Volkswagen bus and drove to
00:39:48
Ron's dad's cabin, which was like an hour outside of Baltimore, and they just stayed in one room together for like
00:39:54
days >> instead of going back to that house. >> I was going to say instead of actually
00:39:59
going in the house. Ron said, "I thought I could get enough nerve to come back again and hope it stopped." But what
00:40:05
really motivated them to go home a few days later was the fact that the kids had to go to school and he had to go to
00:40:09
work. Otherwise, they, you know, probably would have just like lived in that cabin
00:40:13
>> and been like, "At least it's not haunted in this one room." Yeah, this is great. This one room is so cool. I love
00:40:18
this room. It's so not the best. >> So, the activity in the house seemed to be affecting everybody in some way or
00:40:25
another. But if it had one target that it really preferred over everybody else, it was Nancy. And the years that passed
00:40:32
since they moved in, she kept having those like very vivid, disturbing dreams and really nightmares.
00:40:38
>> Yeah. >> And some of them she was in the house she saw in her first dream where the man
00:40:42
like struck the other one down with the axe. But there were others and a lot of them involved the old woman that Ron's
00:40:48
sister said she saw on the stairs. >> Old Biddy. Angry old Bitty. >> Angry old bitty on the stairs with bad
00:40:53
views. >> Yeah. So one night after they went to bed, Nancy was having trouble sleeping.
00:40:57
And again, she couldn't shake the feeling that they were being watched. So finally that tension came to a head when
00:41:03
she looked down and she saw the elderly women woman staring at her from the foot
00:41:08
of their bed. >> No. Whenever something's staring at the from the foot of the bed,
00:41:13
>> get out of there. >> That gives me the willies in a way I can't describe. >> You got to get out of there. And Nancy
00:41:19
said the way that the woman looked at them both was like not just a look of disapproval but of hatred.
00:41:25
>> Like she was like she looked at us with hatred and bad views in her bitty eyes.
00:41:29
>> Angry old bitty. >> She is. >> And she's got bad views. I'm telling you. >> Oh, I know she does.
00:41:34
>> Yeah, she doesn't align. >> Just wait. She totally does. >> So, between the menacing old woman who
00:41:38
had appeared to Nancy, Allen's fall down the stairs and everything the [ __ ] tricycle on the porch riding its own
00:41:44
self. everything that was going on. Ron and Nancy had to face the fact that not only were they living in a haunted
00:41:51
house, but that even if they could get out, the haunting might follow them. >> Yeah.
00:41:55
>> Cuz remember, like she went to the hospital and it was there. >> Yeah. >> So, they hoped that the blessing would
00:42:00
get rid of the ghosts in their house, but it kind of just seemed to make things worse. So now knowing that they
00:42:04
needed to get out before or they needed to do something before somebody got seriously hurt in 1968 they decided to
00:42:11
put the house on the market and they just hoped that they would find an enthusiastic buyer quickly. In the
00:42:17
meantime, Ron got the courage to ask a friend at work if he knew anybody who had experience with ghosts that might be
00:42:23
able to help them. It's unclear if that coworker believed Ron's story, but either way, he suggested that Ron
00:42:29
contact a friend of his who was a reporter for the Baltimore Sun. >> So, Ron took the friend's advice and he
00:42:35
reached out to reporter Awesman. >> Gieselman. >> Gieselman. >> Gizelman. >> Gieselman.
00:42:41
>> I trust him. >> AW Gizelman. >> Isn't Isn't AW root beer? >> A&W. Yeah, >> right. Yeah, that's good root beer.
00:42:48
>> That is good root beer. So AW was immediately interested in the story and went out to the house to interview the
00:42:54
family and Ron and Nancy explained everything that was happening in the house. They were they also explained
00:42:59
that they were desperately looking for somebody who could help them solve this. Now at the time they told the reporter
00:43:04
in no uncertain terms that they did not want their names published in this story. And the reporter seemed
00:43:11
sympathetic. He said he understood. But when they received the newspaper the next day, they discovered that not only
00:43:18
had they been named in the article explaining every weird supernatural thing they were experiencing,
00:43:24
>> but it also listed where Ron worked at the time. >> Oh no. >> Dude, that's not cool.
00:43:31
>> No. >> Now, all things considered, the article itself, like what was written was not
00:43:36
malicious. It mostly just relied on quotes from Ron and Nancy. >> Yeah. >> They described their experiences. They
00:43:42
told the reporter about the knocking sounds, the misplaced objects, other things that they just couldn't explain.
00:43:47
And Ron said he considers the possibility that poltergeists are responsible for his for his problems in
00:43:53
the absence of any other explanation. >> So, it kind of made him sound like a crazy person.
00:43:57
>> It absolutely does. >> Now, today the article maybe wouldn't be that big of a deal, but in 1968 when
00:44:04
this subject was totally taboo, it reflected poorly on both of them. People saw them as like silly or naive or
00:44:10
cuckoo to believe in paranormal. >> Yeah. >> Anything paranormal. And to make matters
00:44:15
worse, they had only recently put the house on the market and they were getting some interest, but now those
00:44:20
calls completely stopped. >> No. >> And it wasn't just that there were potential buyers who were influenced by
00:44:27
the article. It wasn't just those people who were. The neighbors also started acting very cold toward the family.
00:44:33
probably worried that the article would make them look crazy or bad as well for like being associated with them.
00:44:39
>> So during all the stress of the article and trying to sell the house, the paranormal activity continued to plague
00:44:45
all the members of the family very much, especially Nancy. Her vivid nightmares only got worse at the time. At that
00:44:52
time, she recalled one particularly bad dream where she was in her bedroom and she could smell smoke coming from the
00:44:58
hall. Ooh. >> And she said when she went out to see what it was, there was a raging fire at
00:45:03
the end of the hall like blocking their exit. >> See, look at that fire. >> Yeah. So, she gathered up all the kids
00:45:08
from their bedrooms, but the fire was like in their exit path, so they couldn't get out of there.
00:45:13
>> Oh, no. >> And she said just beyond the flame, she could see the old woman laughing at
00:45:18
their terror. This angry old bitty. >> Yeah. >> What the [ __ ] So, to Nancy, she said
00:45:25
this [ __ ] She is a [ __ ] And Nancy said this dream felt more real than any of the other dreams that she had before.
00:45:31
So she was like, I this was not an ordinary dream. She said it was like an experience. She was like this. If any
00:45:38
dream was a premonition or a warning, this one was it. >> I It's this angry old [ __ ] that's
00:45:44
laughing in the corner that is really [ __ ] me up. Like all this stuff is so scary and then you have this angry old
00:45:50
[ __ ] being like it's like ah >> so creepy. So one afternoon after Nancy had that dream for four nights in a row.
00:45:59
Imagine damn >> she was in the kitchen like for real this time and she started to smell gas.
00:46:05
So she told Ron and he looked over all the appliances in the kitchen but they couldn't find the source. So they called
00:46:09
the gas company and when the technician came over that afternoon he discovered that one of the connections to like the
00:46:16
gas line I think in the basement had come loose and the house was actually filling with natural gas.
00:46:22
>> Awesome. So if anybody in that house had lit a match at that time, the entire
00:46:26
place would have exploded. >> What the? >> So her dream was like >> now she didn't know whether the loose
00:46:34
connection in the gas line was just an accident or if it was something much more sinister, but either way it was yet
00:46:40
another reminder that they needed to get the [ __ ] out of there. And they >> [ __ ] super dangerous. And not only
00:46:45
that, they needed to like do something to protect themselves in the time that they were having to stay there cuz they
00:46:51
can't just leave. >> Mhm. >> So, at the library, Nancy poured over the small number of books on the
00:46:56
supernatural, and she came to one that seemed explicitly focused on getting rid of uh the complex problem of a haunting.
00:47:04
The book's author, Hans Hoer, he was a parasychologist. >> Of course, I think we've talked about it
00:47:10
before. Yeah. >> Um he was a parasychologist who supported the practice of ghost hunting,
00:47:14
spirit communication, and just anything supernatural. >> Yeah. >> And conveniently, the book also listed
00:47:20
the contact information for him. So Nancy reached out being like, "Please [ __ ] help us."
00:47:25
>> Several months went by, I guess, and they didn't get any word from him, so they just assumed he wasn't interested.
00:47:31
But then one day in early winter, he just showed up at their front door. He said, "Hello, I am here. Ready to help."
00:47:37
>> He said, "Hi, I'm Hans." >> "Hi, I'm Hans. And I'm here." up. It's like, "Hey, Hans, come on in."
00:47:41
>> Why not? >> Honestly, they were still being affected. >> Come into the circus. We're not
00:47:44
>> Come on in. >> So, he brought a medium with him who he had relied on a few times in the past.
00:47:49
And he said, "You cannot investigate a haunting and ghosts with just geer counters and other technical equipment
00:47:54
and wait for things to happen. You must use a trans medium. Everything else is useless."
00:48:00
>> Wow. >> So, we've been ghost hunting incorrectly. >> We have. >> We only went ghost hunting with mediums
00:48:04
one time. >> And you know what, Cons? All right. I think you're wrong with something, man.
00:48:09
>> Tell me. >> Tell me all the ins and outs of that. >> Just get a [ __ ] medium. That's it.
00:48:12
>> Just a medium. That's it. >> So, as they walked through the house, the medium sensed an unnatural presence.
00:48:18
They said, particularly in the basement. She told Ron and Nancy that there were several spirits in the house, several
00:48:24
different ones, but that the more troubling sensations came from the second floor just outside of their
00:48:29
bedrooms, which makes sense cuz that's where everybody was really experiencing things like
00:48:34
>> Allan getting pushed on the stairs. He was like in between levels on the second.
00:48:38
>> Nancy in her bedroom, Allan in his bedroom. >> So in Ron and NY's bedroom, the medium
00:48:44
sensed the spirit of a man called Lewis Fontineal. The spirit told her that he >> Louis Fontineal
00:48:51
>> Lewis Fontineal. The spirit told her he and his men had been sent to protect the
00:48:55
city and that they were waiting on supplies to come into Baltimore Harbor. So given the area that they lived in and
00:49:01
the description of the spirit's activities, holes are suspected that this was the ghost of a Civil War
00:49:06
soldier who had gotten like trapped here basically. He said they live in the land. If there's now another house, they
00:49:13
don't see that. They see what they remember. >> So this ghost wasn't in a house. He was
00:49:17
like roaming around the land from Civil War times. >> Oh, okay. >> Isn't that crazy?
00:49:23
>> That's weird as hell, >> right? That's why, like we've talked about before, like they don't see like
00:49:29
the new construction. So, we've talked about stories where like you'll see like people will see apparitions of like
00:49:34
ghost. >> Yeah. Like halfway through a room because they're in the old configuration.
00:49:38
>> Yeah. So, they're walking on the floor. >> Yeah. It was so weird. >> That [ __ ] me up. That happened in the
00:49:43
Paul Fee episode. I remember specifically it was like a hotel or something. >> Yeah. It was um I forget the hotel that
00:49:48
we covered, but it was like a Native American guy who was like stuck in between >> two levels. if that makes sense.
00:49:54
>> So, the medium sensed another spirit in Ron and NY's bedroom, a lot more intense
00:49:59
than the soldier. In her communication with the spirit, she got the name Kittinger
00:50:04
>> and realized that this was the old woman who had been seen by several family members and
00:50:10
>> old Biddy. >> The Biddy, she was the one from NY's dreams or nightmares. >> The woman had owned the property way
00:50:16
before the Stallings house was even built and she believed she was in charge of the home and the land. She thought
00:50:23
that the members of the family were her servants. So when they didn't do what she expected or commanded them to do
00:50:29
because she couldn't communicate with them, but she thought she was trying to, >> she became enraged and violent.
00:50:35
>> So that's why she was so angry. >> That's why she's pissed. >> She was also angry about an incident
00:50:40
involving somebody named John Thompson, a man who had supposedly wronged her. But that was all the information that
00:50:46
the media >> Tom Johnson. >> John Thompson. >> John Thompson. Tom Close. That was all the information though,
00:50:54
just that John Thompson had wronged this woman. According to the medium, the soldier though had been trying to
00:50:59
protect the family from the old woman because she meant them harm. With the medium's help, Hzer performed like this
00:51:05
kind of ritual cleansing that was intended to help the spirits move on. And in the days that followed,
00:51:11
everything seemed quiet in the house. >> A few days later, Nancy told Cousin Bill
00:51:16
what happened. Remember Cousin Bill? >> Yeah. and she gave him the names of uh that the medium came up with during her
00:51:21
session. Bill took this information to the Hall of Records and started digging through documents related to the
00:51:27
property and he discovered that just prior to the end of the Civil War, a soldier named Lewis Fontineelli was
00:51:34
killed during a fight that occurred at an inn where the house now stood. >> What?
00:51:41
>> Isn't that crazy? >> That's crazy. And then when Bill went back even just a little bit further in
00:51:46
the records, he found another name, Eileen Kittinger, the owner of a home that had been located on the property in
00:51:53
1797. >> Damn. >> Isn't that crazy? >> That's wild. >> So, the information that Bill shared
00:52:00
kind of supported everything that they knew and everything they had been told, and it completely validated their
00:52:05
decision to get the [ __ ] out of that house as soon as they could. Fortunately, a few months later, they
00:52:11
got an offer on the house from a young couple who were apparently like very enthused about this house. They were
00:52:16
paranormal enthusiasts, and they read about the house in that article that got published. So, they were like, "Let's
00:52:22
[ __ ] buy that house." So, it was all theirs now. >> Damn. Ron, Nancy, and the kids were
00:52:28
thrilled to finally be moving out of the house, and they got to packing immediately. One night, a few days after
00:52:33
they signed all the paperwork, Nancy was upstairs packing some boxes and she said
00:52:38
she got a strange sensation that she wasn't alone. She said, "Louise came to me and he said, "When you leave, don't
00:52:44
ever come back into this house because when you leave, I'm leaving and I won't be here to protect you and you won't be
00:52:50
safe." >> And that was good enough for me. Nancy said. >> Damn. >> Yeah. So, a few days later, they packed
00:52:57
up their moving truck and they left the house for the last time. >> Good for them. Nancy said, "When we left
00:53:02
that house, I can't even describe how good I felt. We had made it through that terrible experience, and now we would be
00:53:07
able to live a normal life." Wow. >> Yeah. The end. The end. The end. There's so much in that.
00:53:17
>> Isn't that a crazy in that? >> And just the fact that like the medium didn't say like, "Honey, the land." And
00:53:24
she was like, "Here are these specific links for you and if you go to the Hall of Deeds, you will be able to confirm
00:53:29
everything I just said to you." >> Which like that's pretty [ __ ] cool. >> That's pretty rad.
00:53:34
>> Just saying. >> I mean, she might have gone there before, but >> Oh, okay. Thank you. I was I was like,
00:53:39
"Do I burst the phone?" >> But you never know. >> Did they go there ahead of time?
00:53:43
>> Get those names. It was possible. >> Really really kind of solidify it by being like, "Why don't you go check?" I
00:53:51
mean, >> because it's like I I know they're there. >> But they didn't even say go check. Bill
00:53:55
was just like, "I'm gonna go check." >> But I mean, >> who knows? >> Who knows? >> They experience some weird [ __ ] in that
00:54:01
house. >> Who can be sure? >> And some mediums are legit. >> They are. You know, you got to be a
00:54:07
little sus, but some mediums, I believe, are legit. >> Period. Period. >> Honey the land.
00:54:14
>> Honey the land. >> This is a real case of honey the land because they were stuck on the land.
00:54:18
>> It's literally honey the land. >> Yeah. It's It literally is >> because that and I mean no matter what
00:54:23
those two people fit the description of these apparitions. So >> yeah, >> it makes sense.
00:54:30
>> It does. It's pretty freaky. That one like spooked me for sure. >> That's a spooky one.
00:54:36
>> It is a spooky one. >> I think there's also um we were just saying that we watched What was that?
00:54:42
What is that show? >> Is it like an American haunting or something? >> It's one of those haunting shows that
00:54:47
they dramatize the whole thing. We watched it with Mikey and Dave one night and we watched this particular one and I
00:54:53
remember vividly >> the tricycle >> the tricycle flying around the porch and I remember the shocking revelation that
00:55:00
they were like we didn't bless the porch and I was like that's wild. I was going
00:55:04
through this entire story and I was like this sounds like vaguely familiar and then I got to that part and I was like
00:55:08
oh I know exactly where we saw all of a sudden it's like oh >> so funny. >> I love it.
00:55:13
>> So crazy. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. Well, you guys, we hope you
00:55:19
keep listening and we hope you keep it. But not so weird that you're an old biddy on the stairs with bad views.
00:55:27
Don't be an angry old bitty on the stairs with bad views and a bonnet. >> A happy young bitty on the stairs with
00:55:35
good views and a good blowout. >> Yeah. >> No bonnet. >> Hell yeah. >> Bye.