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hey weirdos I'm Elena and I'm John and this is morbid [Music] so you guys might have noticed that that
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was uh not Ash not Ash at all not even a little bit we have John on the podcast today hi everybody
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it's that job Josh so this week very unexpectedly very quickly it all happened in like an instant
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because she has covid um she's doing fine she's doing okay but I did not think it was really cool of me
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to be like all right sit down and listen to this story and react to me now uh so
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she's getting the rest that she needs and you know I happen to have this guy just
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hanging around my house and I've been asked a couple of hundred times to come on the podcast and I said
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if I come on the podcast that will ruin the podcast so I'm not going to come on the podcast
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but Ash had to go and get the get the code get the Rona get the Rona she had to do it and he said yeah he was a hero
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in that moment because I I'm not he's not lying when he's been asked a million times because I'm like come on just come
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on with me just one just one he's like no it's not that I didn't want to come on I just figured I probably wouldn't be
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very good at it and I don't think I'll be very good at it so just everyone lower your standards a little bit for
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the next hour or so it's gonna be great I know it is and you don't have to worry
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because this you know it kind of worked out because this is my case today so you
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didn't have to really worked out that's your crime case I'm not researched since
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College I feel like I'm in a fourth grade class about to give a geography presentation I'm very nervous
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you're gonna do great and uh here we go just picture the entire class in their underwear right because it's just me no
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that works just picture me in my underwear and it'll be fine okay is it helping a little bit okay cool all right so
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we're gonna jump right into it today because I don't want to make John have to speak too
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yeah I mean um 75 of the people are now gone no way the other 25 everybody is here
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everybody's psyched for this and this is a gnarly one today this is lucky me yeah
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you really hit a good one yeah you really hit a good one because we have a serial killer today which we haven't had
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like a full-blown serial killer in a while do I know the serial killer uh I'd probably not
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it's weird because I think a lot of people don't know this serial killer are you K listeners might know the serial
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killer better than anyone else will um his name is John Christie don't know him so not only do we have a serial
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killer we have a serial killer named John you're gonna have blind reactions because I have no idea what is coming
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right now and that's kind of great for this whole thing that's that's what we do here let's do it let's go so we're
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going to talk about John Reginald Halliday Christie again you don't know him don't know so a
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lot of names there a lot of names a lot of serial killers have a lot of names it
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seems to be kind of the trend but he was born in Yorkshire England and I always forget whether the UK listeners want me
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to say Yorkshire or Yorkshire I think it's Yorkshire okay I feel it I feel good about it so I'm gonna go with it
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hopefully across the Palm yeah hopefully I didn't disappoint you uh he was born on April 8th 1898 to Ernest John
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Christie and Mary Hannah Halliday so there's where all those names came from okay we got the John we got the Christie
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we got the holiday don't know where the Reginald came from I already forgot most
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of those names so we're off to a great start don't worry about it we can just call him like jackass from now on and
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that's an easy well I'll remember John it's the other ones I don't remember well he was the sixth of seven children
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and he was the only boy that's rough and also familiar household of women yeah John can can
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relate to that part of John but that's probably where it is I would say I don't know I hope well we'll see what other
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similarities there are well his father was very cold very unavailable in a harsh disciplinarian yikes okay his
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mother was a very overprotective mother who it was like her only boy but she was
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overprotective to like a fault okay like border lining on like an Oedipus kind of
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thing my mom only also only had one boy that's true but I love your mom it stops
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there though I don't think so I think she she did good so I'm gonna give that to her but his sisters on the other hand
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like kind of ate him alive like half okay is this an intervention it's not an intervention I promise so here's
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where here's where we're going to deviate pretty harshly like we're gonna take like please do a hairpinter for
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people I know start coming to the door don't worry this is this hairpin turn coming ready even worse he started to
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become sexually frustrated and Confused around his many sisters okay see that hair picture that is beyond a
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hairpin so so officially you can sit tight now all right we're good you're good it's
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not about you I feel way more relaxed here we are so he hated them because of this he hated them because they
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dominated him and they pushed him around but at the same time he was like weirdly
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sexually attracted to them but couldn't act on it obviously yeah so this began I lost myself in the
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chair right now this is uncomfortable already I gotta go uh I feel like it's that like SpongeBob Meme where he's like
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all right I'm gonna head up I'm gonna head out uh yeah so he was having a time this began a long life of him being
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sexually sadistic and absolutely hating women and of course everyone would blame it on
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his overprotective mother and his quote unquote domineering sisters but in reality it's just him being a [ __ ]
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essentially I would say so yeah he was unfortunately very smart he had an IQ of 128. he was a very good student wow so
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he was really doing that damn thing at least but he didn't have many friends and was considered kind of weird he was
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at the very least bullied slightly he was bullied at least he had a really large forehead which comes back later
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that's the only reason I'm laughing right now school kids are just the worst no matter what so it's it's rough it's
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mean and trust me I was bullied I know how it is like but this guy at the end of it you're like all right yeah
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and the big forehead thing comes back that's that's the reason okay uh it was exceedingly large and normally that's
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not something to bully someone over of course but like this guy sucks obviously sure now according to this book that I
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was using to research this one of the books uh it's John Christie the true story about the rillington Strangler by
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Jack Rosewood at eight years old John's grandfather passed away this was a strange thing because his grandfather
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was reportedly like a giant dick uh he was mean he was not grandfatherly at all in fact John was very afraid of
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him but his parents allowed young John at eight years old to view his grandfather's body at the wake
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this normally this would just be like a moment of like accepting death understanding what's going on but for
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John it made him realize that this man couldn't hurt him anymore and he was not to be feared anymore that was the first
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thing that came to mind he was like wow he's dead he can't hurt me anymore wow so this started his obsession with
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viewing Corpses yeah he started to hang out around graveyards and actually rotten.com which that's the thing it's
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like if it's stopped there if it was just because we all went on rotten.com we've talked about it so many times on
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the podcast I'm like where's my rotten.com friends like we all did that we were all morbidly curious like no pun
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intended but this started a whole thing where you'd hang around graveyards and actually tried to peek into broken
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Crypts which like again yeah we got to just like type something into our computer and look at it and then click
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it and be gone exactly which is like wow how desensitive a lot of effort for him
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to go ahead and find some corpses and hanging around a graveyard and being like interested in it I get because like
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I love graveyards I find them like weirdly calming but he's still like eight years old at this point yeah so
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that's like a different thing it's a red flag I would say so it's like a very very deep maroon flag I would say and
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according to the book he was especially drawn to the crypts that contained children oh
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all of this made him happy it made him calm this is a bad connection to make to death in corpses I would say at a very
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young age I don't think that corpses and death should make you like go screaming and
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running like that's probably an unhealthy way to look at it but like they shouldn't really make you happy at
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eight years old I mean I'd rather have my eight-year-old scream and run yeah I feel like that's that'd be like oh dive
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into more yeah like this makes me calm like no I don't know about that foreign [Music]
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dailyharvest.com so he also became like he joined the Boy Scouts so he was doing like you know
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very natural like normal things to do as a young child he joined the Boy Scouts uh he eventually became a scout master
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and he became a scout monster like really early I guess like earlier than you normally do okay but he really liked
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the power that came from that and the power of the uniform and all that and I was thinking about it you were a boy
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scout I was were your scout Masters power hungry to your knowledge no no well scout master so there was kids that
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were scope Masters yeah maybe I'm using the wrong term they were like the lead they were like I don't know if I made it
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that far into Boy Scouts yeah I'm probably using the wrong time I would like termination leaders were just like
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parents of the kids okay and my mom was actually a leader of one of our boy scout groups she later told me that it
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just made the house uh smell like dirt and farts yeah she told me that she's just like piling in 15 boys that are
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like 10 years old your poor mom she's she was a trooper man she's a saint she truly is
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um I don't remember kids being leaders my memory is also terrible that might have happened or this is probably just
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wrong he probably I know also like 100 years ago in England so it could just be a different setting it could just be
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different so maybe it's like a higher ranking Scout that has like some kind of authority
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over the other Scouts like almost like a camp counselor yeah yeah I get it I think that's essentially what he became
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and I think he got like a newer uniform because it of it and he was like check me out right so this need for power
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probably came from the Relentless bullying he was enduring sure uh he was teased as he got like we said he was
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teased about like the big forehead situation and then as he got older he got teased about the fact that he was
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what they said was he was impotent okay now he could not complete sexual acts and apparently word got around and it
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was just like a Feeding Frenzy of people being like Oh my God you can't like and
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it said it was when he was like 15 and 16 which I was like whoa can everybody step back for a second your children
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I don't know I feel like that's pretty young to be making fun of like people's sexual prowess like yeah I don't know
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maybe that's just me uh no I'm I'm there I have not do that either I'm with you no this kind of bullying the inadequacy
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he was feeling about the impotence and the fact that he was raised by a very overprotective mother any cold
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neglectful father definitely created some other issues in his life and in his mind
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he was a severe hypochondriac for one he was constantly inventing ailments and insisting that he had every little thing
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that came around he was doing it for attention it was all attention grabbing he was looking for
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people to fawn over him and pay attention to him he thought people would pity him if he had things like random
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diseases emotional manipulation made him feel powerful and it allowed him to become
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the victim on the outside but Remain the power player on the inside yeah and kind
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of take the spotlight off of his other problems that were exactly causing at least rumors or Worse exactly nailed it
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now John left school to join the military when World War One began okay and by all accounts he was not a problem
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in the military he didn't have any black spots on his record he was not dishonorably discharged or anything no
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disciplinary actions but when he came home he and it seemed like it was like a pretty uneventful like he just went
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through it he came back but when he came home he had this harrowing tale that surprised everyone he told his friends
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and family that he had been involved in a traumatizing mustard gas attack which was a thing obviously that happened like
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many soldiers came back with PTSD from it and tons of issues but he said he had been blinded from it okay
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but like he could see like right like later he can see yeah just an odd thing that even if it did happen because why
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would you believe otherwise yeah to have that as the side effects that could pretty easily be disproven and that's
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the thing and he also said he could only he had what they called they actually documented it as hysterical muteness
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because he could only speak above like like a to a whisper yeah and it lasted this hysterical muteness that they
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documented this as it lasted three [ __ ] years I mean war is crazy man I would not
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doubt that that could happen to somebody coming back from that type of experience
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and who knows like you're saying maybe physically this was not like he wasn't physically blinded in a clinical term
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right but there is like a thing called hysterical blindness yeah that when you go through trauma it can happen right so
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maybe it happened who knows um the blindness was never confirmed to be or documented to be like clinically
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true but I wouldn't say that it's something that couldn't have happened absolutely but people around him at the
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time believed this was all for attention because I said it very much lined up with who he was but again World War one
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yeah like I know that this story is gonna turn and I'm Not Gonna Wanna like defend this person no you're definitely
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not but right now he's just coming back from war yeah defending the country or helping a lot like it's just why are we
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uh not giving him the benefit of the doubt right now yeah and you know what later you'll find out why no I know but
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right now he's only guilty of being excited around corpses exactly exactly and that see this is why it's
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good that you don't know this story because you are you're gonna hear it exactly how it needs to be heard which
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is like what is wrong here and then you're gonna at this moment in time I'm okay with John you're okay with John
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all right I can't wait until we get a little further into this so here we go May 10 1920. so we're in the 20s The
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Roaring 20s now there we go he married a woman named Ethel Simpson Waddington of
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course he did yeah Ethel you know so this marriage went sour from the start okay for one he was impotent which is
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not like you know people get through that but he hadn't been forthcoming with this information before marrying Ethel
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also he was a liar he was known to be possibly a cheater and he was just a shitty husband damn it
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right when I said that I was like kind of back in this dude yeah and then the marriage happened I knew that was going
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to come back to bite me so he's a really he's a bad husband and remember he has not been in trouble
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thus far with the law correct he has not been like a petty Thief which we see in
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a lot of these things usually we see when like you know when they turn into something like he turned into you see
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like in his youth he would like steal [ __ ] he would get in trouble in school like there's all these little things
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that sometimes yeah exactly he didn't really have any of that in his background so he marries Ethel he's kind
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of a shitty husband I didn't find anything that was documented that he like physically abused her or anything
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but who knows when you find out who he is you're like that probably happens so he just wasn't good at being a husband
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he was just shitty and he was a liar and he was just like not nice he was just not a good husband he wasn't loving
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um he spent a lot of time cheating on her um with like other women he yeah it just
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he just wasn't great and when you find out later what he does it's not hard to believe that he was probably physically
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abusing her too and it probably just isn't documented right because why would it be in the 20s sure so during the
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marriage she got a job as a postman but he couldn't just hold down a job without
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doing some [ __ ] to gain negative attention because he is an attention person so he began stealing out of
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nowhere just begins stealing packages and began stealing like the money from the postage he was caught really quickly
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and as a result he went to prison for three months because of this wow yeah during this time Ethel had a miscarriage
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too so this was not a great time in their marriage yeah this is uh and again we don't know what happened going
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downhill very quickly it's gonna go really downhill really quick I don't know why I was expecting this I was
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gonna say anywhere else sorry I didn't fill you in on what the podcast is about yeah what is this about again yeah this
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is called morbid oh okay it's not gonna be a happy ending so two years later he also got probation for something violent
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that we don't have the details about but it involved money and theft and there was some kind of violence involved okay
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so we got probation for that he served 12 months probation and he followed this up with two more larceny charges and
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nine more months of prison time so suddenly he is like just stacking up that prison time yeah this is around the
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time when he left his wife Ethel just up and left her and then he moved to London
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by himself at this point he's 29 years old and he is back in prison for theft for nine
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months then he moves in with a woman named mod and he goes back to prison for six
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months and this time he got hard labor he was sentenced to hard labor for assaulting
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her oh man this is why I believe that even though we don't have I couldn't find actual documented things that said
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that he heard Russell I am sure he heard yeah what are the chances uh yeah this was the first time he did that exactly
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and also he didn't just assault her he beat her in the head with a cricket bat and then he was charged with Grievous
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bodily harm and he claimed he was only testing out the bat why test it playing Cricket yeah that's wild what kind of
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you like you just come out and are like out like you're like officers I was testing out the bat I don't see
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what the problem is like what you think they're gonna be like oh good sir I'm sorry yes like how how's
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the bat would you recommend I get one exactly it's like you beat your wife over the head with the you evil [ __ ] my
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God so in 1933 he stole a priest's car which is like very odd apparently they were like kind of friends and he stole
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his car and he got three more months in prison so now this guy is just not afraid of prison yeah he's just like
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he's spending summers in prison at this point especially after the hard labor stint that's what I'm saying I figured
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they were like dude all right like give him hardly seems like you like prison yeah let's uh turn it up a notch let's
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make it not a great place for you and he's like nah just bring it on yeah he's good loving it
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um no one's seeing a pattern here or thinking maybe they should tack on some [ __ ] years to these sentences like
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they're just like yeah it seems like he's he's on a great path I guess like maybe so no one's looking at these past
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charges back to back to back to back and being like I think we need to keep him in here longer right like just to see
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so in the same year 1933 he suddenly asked Ethel to move to London and take him back
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now she agreed and she moved back in with him oh Ethel I know poor Ethel now John and Ethel lived at 10 rillington
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place and in 1937 they were still married but he was now visiting sex workers he was still cheating on her and
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after all you know he was having these violent sexual urges too which no one knew about and Ethel was not complying
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with what he needed and he was abusing these poor sex workers and then he would just come home to his wife
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so like he's a literal monster and at this point his sexual proclivities were getting darker
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he was becoming interested in necrophilia and would force yeah and he would force sex workers to play dead
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sure yeah so he's at this point he's having this he's probably he's still being a shitty
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husband he's doing all this [ __ ] to get in trouble with the law and he also has
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this totally other separate life where he is like violently abusing workers behind his wife's back
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now in 1939 he enlisted in World War II okay now he was given the job of a war Reserve police officer okay and that's
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wild considering he had been in prison every other month for the past few years before that
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I'm not really sure what happened here desperate times call for desperate measures I guess so for four years he
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worked as constable and this is when [ __ ] gets really dark he started using his power as a police officer to stalk
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women basically he would follow them take diligent and really creepy notes about their every move their appearances
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document what they were doing where they were when he could find them when they were alone later they found a ton of
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these in his home and it was horrific he was basically in trolling mode which is
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what BTK used to call it now he also had an affair with a married woman at this point while he was married to Ethel this
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was when he was working at the police station and her husband eventually caught them and beat the [ __ ] out of him
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good yeah it's like that's a yay that is fabulous we finally have a positive here
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he abruptly resigned from this job in 1943 and took another job as a clerk at the radio Factory
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which is like a very different kind of situation I'm not there's nothing that says why he resigned
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but maybe it was getting the shape beat out of them by a random husband and he was like maybe I should take this down a
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notch I don't know now this is when he had more time on his hands and he started experimenting a
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little oh boy he began playing with gas and how it could incapacitate someone this is when he began telling people
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that his time in the military had given him the medical knowledge to perform abortions oh my God which was illegal in
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the UK at this time uh so this is when we bring his first victim into play this was 1943 her name
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was Ruth for uh Ruth first she was 21 years old she was Austrian she was working on the side as a sex worker at
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the time but was also working at a Munitions Factory which is like military weapons okay
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um John Christie claimed they met at a pub and he said he brought her home to the house he shared with Ethel by the
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way she was out at the time and he said he strangled her during sex he said he first put her body under the
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[ __ ] floorboards in their home but later he moved her and buried her body in the garden in the backyard
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yeah this one he claimed was not planned very impulsive now of course with John this excited him and so he planned his
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next one immediately because although this was impulsive he's now yeah so his second victim occurred on
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November 8 1944 her name was Muriel Amelia Edie she was his co-worker at the radio Factory actually she was 32 years
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old and she was constantly suffering from chest infections and bronchitis so he used this because he liked to prey
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on people like he would find anybody's weakness and prey on it and he told her he could help her feel better he was
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like oh my God I happen to have this homemade cure for bronchitis and chest infections so he brought her back to his
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empty home because Ethel was out again and he gave her what he was referring to as his like his special inhaler or his
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like nebulizer treatment essentially he had a tube that was connected to a jar and it was connected to her mouth
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and then there was another tube that was behind her this tube behind her was hooked up to a
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gas line I knew that was coming yeah so she unknowingly inhaled carbon monoxide so she passed out because he just
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poisoned her and once she was out he strangled her and raped her at the same time okay yeah she died while this was
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happening I would like to just officially get off the Seesaw yeah off of the John train I had a feeling like
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uh get out of there really quick it's not a great place to be it's just yeah very difficult to hear yeah he's a
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really bad one so he buried her in the same Garden as Ruth now 1948 this is when he met Beryl Evans
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now she and her husband found out that she was pregnant with their second child and they were unable to care for another
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baby they already had one daughter a baby named Geraldine and they weren't really even able to care for Geraldine
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they were very their finances were very strained they had a very tumultuous relationship they were not in any
00:30:36
position to have one child okay they fought constantly there had been infidelity the entire situation was a
00:30:42
mess so Barrel was panicked about another child and she was looking to terminate the pregnancy
00:30:48
they happened to live in the flat above John Christie and Ethel so she told them
00:30:53
about her issue one day she just happened to be talking to them and she was like I don't know what to do and
00:30:58
John told her well I can help you I can help you procure this abortion if you need it
00:31:04
so November 8th 1948 Timothy her husband came home to find his wife and child not
00:31:11
at home so he asked his neighbors if they had seen them and John told him that he he
00:31:16
was like you know what Barrel had come to me she came to terminate the pregnancy but because she had tried
00:31:23
several at-home methods before this because she had she had tried to terminate the pregnancy herself at home
00:31:28
okay he said because she had done that she went septic and she died during the procedure I tried to do
00:31:36
Timothy had a very low IQ of only 70. he accepted this as fact he preyed on them mainly because of that
00:31:46
he knew that he was going to take whatever he told him and he was just going to go with it oh man and he
00:31:53
convinced him to not press charges because he told him it wasn't his fault it was an accident I was trying to help
00:31:59
her she was the one who did this it wasn't me so and he told him you know what well
00:32:05
you go why don't you go to your parents house go live with your parents for a little while grieve figure out what's
00:32:11
going to happen I have this loving couple who's going to take care of baby Geraldine for you oh no yeah
00:32:17
but Timothy's family when he went back to them were very confused by all of this and rightfully so of course this is
00:32:25
a strange story to tell his mother especially was not buying this casual medical malpractice that he was selling
00:32:31
so she was like wait what happened now like tell me the story again he went over it again with her in more detail
00:32:38
explaining exactly what how John had told Tim Barrell died and she was like no like and like we just request maybe
00:32:47
some police presence here yeah like this even if this is detective involved yeah
00:32:52
because it's like even if this is how that happened why are we just going with it yeah why are we just taking your word
00:32:58
for it yeah we need a third party here exactly so she convinced him to report it and they did report what happened on
00:33:04
November 30th good now Timothy thought that John had honestly tried to help them like he fully convinced him like he
00:33:12
was just trying to help us he had our best interest in mind so he felt like a weird loyalty to him so he told the
00:33:19
police that it was him that he had given Barrel abortion pills and accidentally killed her himself oh no he told them he
00:33:28
hid her body in a sewer drain because he was scared whoa wait what yes but when they went to look they didn't find her
00:33:36
because he didn't do that why would he do that he still has a daughter I know so I think it's like him just panicking
00:33:44
I guess and not knowing and if you know he thought this guy was doing him a favor he's trying to
00:33:50
take it off him a little bit he has a weird loyalty it's there's a lot here to unpack for sure yeah
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and of course they asked us so they go they look they don't find her body where he says it's going to be so they come
00:35:51
back and they're like we're not really convinced that this is the real story so like can you tell us
00:35:57
the truth and he broke down and told them about John Christie so he was like that wasn't the real story actually this
00:36:04
was the real story okay so they were like okay so December 2nd 1949 they searched rillington place because they
00:36:11
were like if it was John Christie we have to go search this apartment and after using a piece of metal so like
00:36:18
Ethel came out and was like hello officers she gave them a piece of metal to use to pry open the shed in the back
00:36:26
Garden because they couldn't get it open so she was like offering them like sure
00:36:29
yeah I mean she doesn't know there's two women buried in the garden exactly so she's like sure well when they did this
00:36:37
the smell was unbelievable I could only imagine and this isn't even what you're thinking this is so they're smelling
00:36:44
decomposition immediately and there they found in the shed the bodies of barrel and baby Geraldine
00:36:53
oh no yeah when they found them Barrel was wrapped into I know I'm sorry watching stranger things and just in my
00:37:05
own world right now I know I brought you into this dragged me up here I apologize
00:37:11
I love you I thought you and Ash did like fun podcasts or something I'm not a listener so I don't really know what you
00:37:17
guys do I know isn't it weird that I'm actually wearing a weirdo shirt I put this on not
00:37:26
knowing I was gonna be doing this on the podcast right um but yeah here I am yeah here we are
00:37:33
just this is a rough one yeah I know we're doing this right before bed too yeah no it's like it's actually great
00:37:40
timing yeah I actually don't listen to the podcast after a certain time for that reason and some people listen to it
00:37:47
to fall asleep I know I know and congratulations to them but if it hits about six o'clock I'm out yeah I guess
00:37:55
no offense it just messes up my dreams honestly we don't like to record it at night because of that too so cool so an
00:38:02
experience for both of us yeah all right this will be the one night that our youngest sleeps yeah she's acting up all
00:38:09
night for multiple nights in a row but she'll just sleep like a baby tonight and I'll just be staring at the sailing
00:38:16
with my eyes wide open just thinking about John Christie just one wondering why you couldn't do like a fun little
00:38:23
podcast about yeah fried dough or something fried dough what a great podcast actually that fried
00:38:30
dough I haven't had it in a long time fried dough this is our podcast about fried dough I mean I was podcasts about
00:38:38
everything now I don't know if you know that I I bet if we looked although probably not a fried dough podcast I
00:38:44
don't know if we looked hard enough we might be able to find one would you listen email in do you want to hear
00:38:49
John's fried dough podcast hey if you want to hear it let's do it let's go if we can eat fried dough while doing it
00:38:56
I'm down uh so you know back to this let's get back on track let's go back to this
00:39:01
terrible terrible thing so when they found Barrel she was wrapped in a tablecloth she was bound the tablecloth
00:39:08
was bound with cording and she was initially hidden under the sink there was wood planks that were like
00:39:16
leaned up against the sink kind of hiding her yeah when they found baby Geraldine on the other side of the room
00:39:21
she still had a man's necktie wrapped around her oh God yeah I know I'm sorry for that
00:39:30
um they didn't know it yet but on November 8th 1948 John Christie had knocked Barrel out using his famous gas
00:39:37
and he had raped her and strangled her at the same time which would become his Mo and she had died during this process
00:39:45
but police were honing in on Timothy at this point for obvious reasons he's the spouse he had already lied it doesn't
00:39:54
making the impossible decision yeah it just and then it led to all of this just heartbreaking and it gets more
00:40:02
heartbreaking with the Timothy story it really does and he had changed his story
00:40:07
a few times at this point so they were really honing in on him because they were like remind me again they already
00:40:12
have a daughter right that's Geraldine oh Geraldine okay I wasn't sure if that was like the unborn baby
00:40:20
[Music] now oh this poor guy it's even worse so he doesn't have a daughter anymore no
00:40:26
now after the first story he told he said he killed so this is after that first story he told he then went back
00:40:34
and said he killed Barrel because of financial issues they were strained and they got a fight
00:40:40
and that's the way it happened yeah this confession happened but we don't know is
00:40:45
what led to this confession we don't know how he got here right because he went from I did it it was an
00:40:52
accident I gave her these abortion pills and they killed her I hit her in the sewer drain and they were like no you
00:40:57
didn't sure and then he went and said you know what John Christie did it he admitted it to me then when they found
00:41:03
the body suddenly it turned into I killed her because of financial reasons yeah no we don't know what led to this
00:41:09
confession a lot of people have a lot of feelings what might have led to this confession remember he had an IQ of 70
00:41:16
and he had told the police John Christie was the one who did it why now is he suddenly claiming responsibility
00:41:23
coerced maybe sure possibly now there's also a lot of police misconduct that we find out later in
00:41:30
this case that might make you think about it a little more shocking shocking now Christy was questioned and he can
00:41:37
denied everything which is wild to me because I'm like um it's in the shed but okay right now this
00:41:45
was I will say this Garden area was a communal area so I think it was it allowed them to be like well maybe this
00:41:52
is okay Timothy shed too maybe he can use it now he also made Ethel live for him so Ethel kind of gave him an alibi
00:42:02
that wasn't okay but she told police she and she also told police she was like I went into
00:42:09
that laundry shed every day multiple times a day but somehow I I never smelled anything which they were like
00:42:16
I don't know about that how big is this laundry shed it's just like a little shed like a little garden I think this
00:42:24
was like a holding place he was eventually going to bury them in the garden or possibly possibly because he
00:42:31
does he's really messy with this stuff and yeah it just doesn't make sense that Ethel would have been in and out of that
00:42:38
garden shed and maybe that's just part of The Alibi well and I wonder that's the thing I wonder if she was lying for
00:42:44
him because she was like well if he did this to them he could do it to me and I'm right and it's not like at this time
00:42:51
she was going to get a lot of help if she told anybody I mean if she's already willing to lie about where he was why
00:42:59
not just take it a step further and say I go in there all the time like and the bodies weren't there yeah so I think she
00:43:06
was really trying to save herself here which I you know it's a hard decision to have to make now the police believed
00:43:15
this they were like okay sure yeah you didn't smell it so they put Timothy on trial so
00:43:21
Timothy's trial was at Old Bailey which I have had a lot of cases that have had trials at Old Bailey lately I don't know
00:43:27
what it is maybe it's like Bailey who's like telling me like cases to do I don't
00:43:31
know she just wants her name on the podcast he does she's like she wants a shout out she's like I'm a legend to
00:43:37
bring me up so Timothy was charged with murder only for Barrel at the time um because that was the only one who he
00:43:46
had confessed who had killed so initially he was that was what they were going to charge him with it's very
00:43:53
strange yeah I mean they found together what are we doing but trials at Old Bailey could take like hours like
00:44:00
literally it's a very different kind of situation there um but yeah so as soon as the charges
00:44:06
went through he suddenly recanted the entire thing his confession that he gave that he killed her for financial reasons
00:44:12
he recanted it as soon as those charges went through didn't see that coming and suddenly I figured he just was like what
00:44:19
else do I have to live for like might as well just throw me away yes which I couldn't say I would blame him you're
00:44:27
right I mean you just lost everything but no he recanted it and he said it was a coerced confession that it wasn't
00:44:33
given you know in by any wholesome means and he said no John Christie did it he admitted that was that's the story that
00:44:41
really happened no one believed him so the trial continued and he went to trial January 11th 1950 and they changed it
00:44:51
and they only put him on trial for the murder of Geraldine now now I know you're like wait what like he
00:44:57
confessed a barrel what's good right but they said the baby's murder was so specifically horrendous because it's a
00:45:04
baby that they wanted to put him behind bars for it they were like this is the one we want to put him away for like who
00:45:10
cares about Barrel right like let's let's only worry about this if he had confessed to murdering Beryl then they
00:45:17
believed that he had definitely killed Geraldine as well it's not like somebody else killed Geraldine and he had to kill
00:45:23
Barrel I would agree with that so they also were worried that if they only went after him for Barrel it could be argued
00:45:29
that these two fought a lot and maybe she had provoked him into killing her this is an actual thought process yeah
00:45:37
but obviously a baby can't knowingly provoke anyone into murdering them so there's no ways I literally had no idea
00:45:44
what to say there it's it's wild like the thought process back then especially when it came to women was
00:45:52
like a real wild situation it was just like yes this woman probably just provoked him into murdering her but like
00:45:58
the baby couldn't have done that so let's that's a Surefire one now Christy was a star witness for the prosecution
00:46:05
John Christie the man that Timothy had said actually murdered Barrel like what something tells me he was like really
00:46:15
good in his testimony too he was a great witness and the prosecution was led by a
00:46:20
man named Christmas Humphreys love it yep they literally had the man who Timothy had said multiple times was
00:46:30
the real killer as the [ __ ] star witness they had him narrate the entire thing they were like tell us what
00:46:36
happened John and he was like well sit down everybody I can tell you now Ethel was also put on the stand and even
00:46:43
though she had told police that she had gone into that laundry shed a few times a few million times and
00:46:49
never noticed that smell now on the stand under oath she testified she never went into that
00:46:57
laundry shed not even once boom not even once this was never brought up so this happened she was like no I never
00:47:06
went in there the fact that on record she said she went in there a million times and never smelled it it was never
00:47:13
brought up that those are two very conflicting statements yeah so they just they knew what they wanted and they were
00:47:20
just plowing Straight Ahead yep that's exactly what it was and it's like that's a perfect example of it because it's
00:47:26
like it is well documented what she said in that police report she gave an interview she said something completely
00:47:31
different than what she said on the stand and not that's not Ethel's fault it's just she I think it's she was
00:47:38
abused I think she was scared when she gave that initial statement and then she probably realized I'm sitting under oath
00:47:46
I have to be truthful yeah no that all makes sense I can't imagine John is sitting there
00:47:52
very politely asking for an alibi and this is how we're gonna do things exactly I'm sure he was very threatening
00:48:00
and scary in that moment yeah and she felt like she didn't have another can't blame her at all but the fact that they
00:48:06
just gloss over it is inexcusable yeah and I do Wonder too like because when you read about Ethel
00:48:14
and you're like I feel like she wanted to get out of there she wanted to help but she just didn't know how and I
00:48:19
wonder if she did that under oath to make it something that they should have latched on to like she was kind of and
00:48:26
there's Witnesses and there's people of the law there maybe she just felt a little more confident to say
00:48:33
something it sounds like she might have been an abused yeah I think she was individual yeah so so I think she was
00:48:42
trying I think it was kind of a call for help on the outstanding yeah absolutely
00:48:46
no one helped her so Timothy was represented by free Borough stack or free excuse me free
00:48:53
Borough slack and company that was the name of the law firm sweet uh and they sucked uh in case you were wondering
00:48:59
they slacked house slack what did on this on this whole thing slack was very right they didn't look into John
00:49:06
Christie at all didn't look at his background and look at anything they just assumed Timothy was guilty his own
00:49:13
representation and they just like went about it like he was they were like let's just like go through the motions
00:49:18
this guy's guilty I don't know what to tell you I mean you know it's less work now apparently another witness that was
00:49:25
brought onto the stand was a carpenter or like a contractor that did work at the flats the Wilmington place
00:49:33
um he was the one who had actually pulled certainly he pulled like wood out of the floor and like replaced it and he
00:49:41
had actually pulled the wood that was used to hide Barrel oh yeah he had pulled that wood up so they brought him
00:49:47
on the stand to talk about like the kind of wood when he was there you know we need dates we just want to know when
00:49:53
this wood was pulled up so we can tell whether she was there at this certain time or not sure he couldn't get dates
00:50:00
right and just went with whatever the police told him to say I understand he was like oh that date matches okay sure
00:50:06
that one then he said he had not taken the wood out of the floors on the 11th but literally receipts showed that he
00:50:14
had not done it until after the 14th which was long after the murders so that means John went into that shed after the
00:50:22
murders before the bodies were found oh boy so it all just pointed to John still
00:50:29
even when they were trying to [ __ ] it up weirdly that one piece of evidence the
00:50:34
time sheet that showed this work and what it was done was lost from evidence oh man what are the chances they just
00:50:41
couldn't find it so weird it's so weird when when very vital and like case-changing evidence just disappears
00:50:52
yeah evidence that would just make you start your investigation from scratch yeah it's so weird it happens
00:50:58
um it happens sometimes and it's a very strange phenomenon yeah it's just a coincidence yeah it's very weird now
00:51:03
John Christie's appearance on the stand just Charmed the jury he Charmed the pants off of him he was a great actor up
00:51:10
there the judge literally presented this to the jury when he was like okay now go
00:51:14
deliberate he presented it like Timothy was guilty before they were even sent to
00:51:19
he was like go deliberate this place like this man this murderous man go tell us whether he's guilty or not your
00:51:28
choices are murder or murder murder that's basically or guilty now they only took 40 minutes to deliberate
00:51:36
um Timothy Evans was found guilty and he maintained his innocence to the very end
00:51:42
he appealed but he lost oh no he was hanged on March 9th 1950. oh and what was the trial again the trial was
00:51:53
is January 11 1950. oh so it was a quick process very quick and that happened back then especially at Old Bailey and
00:52:02
just in that time period yeah it's not like nowadays very quick turnaround to like when you were sentenced to when you
00:52:08
were hanged was like boom boom it was weeks oh man yeah we'll get back to that because his
00:52:16
family did get some kind of like a little bit of justice for him I would say okay
00:52:21
so December 6 1952 John resigned from the radio Factory December 14 1952 essel disappeared oh
00:52:32
yep I am shocked unfortunately no unfortunately now what we find out is that John had strangled her while she
00:52:40
was in bed sleeping this guy is just strangling he's a strangle going on he really is then he hid her under the
00:52:47
floorboards at their house he literally buried her under the floorboards in the living room of their house
00:52:53
he sold her wedding ring for money immediately after yeah now neighbors began complaining
00:53:00
about strong bad odors coming from the property so he started using really strong cleaning fluids and just being
00:53:07
like yeah I don't know it's so weird better be pretty strong yeah so everybody was like all you would smell
00:53:12
is like d-comp and bleach like coming from that house but nobody was no red flag there none now January 26 1953 he
00:53:22
forged Ethel's signature on documents to completely empty the money out of her bank account yeah yeah okay I feel like
00:53:30
I just thinking about the beginning of this podcast so I'm like you know so far so
00:53:36
good with John like I don't know John doesn't seem like he's a bad guy yeah he's a bad guy but you wouldn't have
00:53:42
been the only person so many people thought he wasn't a bad guy and then and it seemed like for most of his like
00:53:49
youth life he wasn't a bad guy or he wasn't showing it at least it really all of a sudden just like happened he just
00:53:55
went wild so no one's looking for Ethel well that's a perfect perfect little segue all right
00:54:03
because people were looking for us yeah they were like where is she Ethel must have some friends here she does a lot of
00:54:09
the neighbors like co-workers maybe yeah like people love duffel so people were asking where she was and John would just
00:54:15
tell people that she either moved he would tell varying stories she either moved back home or she was visiting
00:54:21
relatives which she did often so that was an easy one for him to say because that's why he was allowed he was able to
00:54:27
get women back to his home because she was gone a lot visiting relatives so he told relatives of hers he couldn't tell
00:54:34
them that she was visiting relatives he told them that she was very sick and she
00:54:39
couldn't even gather the strength to speak or write to them yeah yep now we come to his sixth victim at this point
00:54:50
this was Rita Nelson who was a 25 year old from Ireland she was blonde she was gorgeous she was very sweet she was an
00:54:58
artist she just seemed like a cool lady she was pregnant and the father had left
00:55:03
oh come on Elena what are you doing I'm sorry I know she was really heavy I know
00:55:09
it is I told you I told you this is a very heavy one I I told you this I don't know if you said it was this heavy I
00:55:15
mean I don't know how to accurately convey the heavy the heavy level of it when we're down with unborn children
00:55:22
it's it's bad yeah it's a bad one it is he's a bad guy but she was depressed and she
00:55:30
was wanting to terminate the pregnancy because she couldn't care for this show by herself but she didn't know what to
00:55:36
do now January 19 1953 she had come to London to visit her sister and they were out at a pub they're talking about you
00:55:45
know like what's going on in her life when she met John Christie he was sitting at the bar and he heard her
00:55:50
talking about her pregnancy and the issues surrounding it and he told her he could help her terminate the pregnancy
00:55:56
safely so he brought her back to his home the gas knocked her out and he raped her
00:56:03
while strangling her to death God this is just it gets worse is there a maybe like a child is waking up I need
00:56:12
to attend to or you're just gonna leave this is the doorbell ringing it's not did you order food I did not order food
00:56:19
at like midnight no I did not now he left her dead body on the floor with the cord still around her neck and went to
00:56:28
bed what is going on I feel so uncomfortable I know I apologize I get it now yeah I wasn't gonna make that my
00:56:36
Uber is here a joke but I get it now yeah see you get why leave yeah the vicinity immediately see they're so
00:56:45
uncomfortable you have you have the ash Vibes right now usually this is where Ash is like oh man I'm out it just came
00:56:51
I can't handle yeah the the pregnant I can't handle the pregnant I can't handle the sexual violence yeah it's just too
00:57:00
much it is it really is this is a really bad day I just wanna this is a really bad guy he's a really
00:57:08
really awful person yeah he's a dick you can say it he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] you can
00:57:15
say anything you want about him trust me part of the part of it is that we roast
00:57:20
these [ __ ] now he actually slept while her body was laying on the kitchen floor
00:57:27
like went to bed when he woke up in the morning he figured he couldn't use the garden anymore because people were
00:57:33
probably going to wonder why he kept digging holes in the garden and the floorboards were taken up by Ethel
00:57:39
because he had put Ethel in the floorboards so he hid her body behind a cupboard in the kitchen where there was
00:57:45
a pantry wow he had put a cloth around her head and tied the cord around it and placed her upside down
00:57:53
in a pantry behind a cupboard I mean at this point I can only imagine the only people coming into his home are
00:58:00
potential victims yes honestly he's not like having a poker night with his friends or something no I don't see that
00:58:06
at all February 1953 he meets Kathleen Maloney she's 26 years old she's a mother of
00:58:14
five with a troubled childhood they knew each other because she was a sex worker
00:58:20
and he had actually been involved with a friend of hers at one point she had been
00:58:25
around him several times and she had not been harmed so she was probably trusting
00:58:30
him at least slightly she had seen him around her friend she wasn't worried her friend wasn't worried he met her in a
00:58:37
Notting Hill Pub and told her he had a flat to rent and she was looking for somewhere to rent so he was like oh do
00:58:42
you want to come see it she was psyched don't go see it and she went back with him now she had been
00:58:49
drinking a little so he used the gas on her immediately because he was able to take control pretty quickly then he put
00:58:55
a rope around her neck and he raped her while strangling her to death like Rita before her he left her in the kitchen
00:59:02
overnight while he slept but he propped her up in a kitchen chair yeah he truly is and the next morning
00:59:11
she was hidden in the pantry behind the cupboard with a pillowcase around her head apparently according to the book he
00:59:18
had also thrown dirt and Ash on her which she hadn't done to any of the other ones we're not sure what the
00:59:23
symbolism was there or why he did that but he was not done so where is the family members of these people are these
00:59:32
people being reported missing they some of them are a lot of them are and then some of them were kind of like distance
00:59:38
from their family because they were yeah they were doing sex work and especially
00:59:44
at that time it was something that I'm sure a lot of family members were pulling away from them because he he
00:59:52
preyed on people who he knew he wouldn't have a lot of trouble yeah hiding them uh at this point I'm just hoping this
00:59:59
house isn't very big and he runs out of real estate honestly because it doesn't seem like anyone else is going to stop
01:00:05
him at this point no no the next victim was 26 year old hectorina McLennan she was homeless
01:00:13
so see we're seeing like this is what he's preying on people who are in like bad States here yeah she and her
01:00:19
boyfriend Alex were desperate just for somewhere to stay or even just even for a night and John prayed on this they'd
01:00:27
run into John at a pub and it took a few times of like seeing them at a pub talking to him finally he asked you know
01:00:35
do you want to stay with me while you're looking for a place and they were so thankful and they agreed don't mind that
01:00:42
smell yeah like well that's the thing so but they get there and they were like what the [ __ ] because John's Place was
01:00:49
also disgusting it was dirty the smell was unable to be imagined it wasn't this yeah that he's not a clean man wonderful
01:00:57
home to go into no it was putrid like putrid so they only they actually stayed a couple of days which I believe was
01:01:04
probably only to be polite sure because they left after a couple days they were like no now you would think okay good
01:01:11
they got out of there yes well March 6 1953 he ran into Hector Arena again and he offered her money for sex
01:01:19
she was desperate she went back to his home he offered her a drink trying to loosen her up and while she was drinking
01:01:26
it he put the gas tube near her because he was just going to try to do it like sneakily yeah in the vicinity but she
01:01:32
noticed and she freaked out so she ran out of the kitchen and he chased her when he caught her he choked her into
01:01:40
unconsciousness with his hands and then he gassed her all the way about uh he then tied a cord around her throat and
01:01:48
raped her he that he ended up killing her through this process he put her into the pantry
01:01:54
behind the cupboard with Rita and Kathleen he left her sitting up with her back facing the door in there
01:02:00
now Alex came looking for her her boyfriend sure but John denied this he was like she never even came to the
01:02:07
house I don't know what you're talking about so Alex just probably thought she was gone yeah I mean what is he gonna do
01:02:12
yeah now he tried to kill another woman through the same methods named Margaret Forrest because he told her he could
01:02:19
cure her horrible migraines which is terrible and terrifying she didn't show up though when he told her
01:02:26
to he had met her out and he was like meet me at my house here's the address meet me at this time I have something
01:02:33
that's going to cure it she didn't show up and apparently it happened twice that he
01:02:37
got back in contact with her and she was like sorry I just like something came up
01:02:41
and he was like cool that's fine come back this day she didn't show up that day either saved her life so she got out
01:02:46
man just by having cold feet exactly just and I mean I don't get migraines but I see you go through the migraines
01:02:54
and uh I could see how you would be very desperate to get rid of those absolutely
01:02:59
that's why it's so scary when you hear the methods he was using you're like all right I get I get it I get why people
01:03:05
were like all right I'll give it a try especially at this time he prayed on yeah you know people who are really down
01:03:15
on their luck and people who weren't going to be able to get because normally like now we're thinking about it we're
01:03:19
like no I would not go with this man to go have my migraines cured but these were people who also weren't yeah they
01:03:25
weren't having access to proper Medical Care yeah exactly so they were having to
01:03:29
go to these like back alley treatments that's the only thing they had to do and it's like so they were desperate you can
01:03:35
understand why they were like okay this nice gentleman he was always dressed nicely like everyone said he always
01:03:42
dressed like a gentleman he came off like a gentleman he was good at getting them to believe he was legit yeah and he
01:03:48
seemed to be willing to work at it too and he was talked to people for multiple nights exactly like he would put in the
01:03:54
work and then he was also a military guy I'm sure he could showcase that in some
01:03:59
way oh yeah you know I served my country I learned this in the military I was a police officer in the military that's
01:04:05
going to put a lot of people at ease sure now the smell of decomposition in his home was becoming overwhelming even
01:04:13
for him so he moved out of that flat on March 20th 1953 he did not take any of these
01:04:19
bodies with him he just left the flat just abandoned it well he left and then he decided he was just going to scam
01:04:26
some renters that came in after him so he actually brought people into there and was like yeah I don't know I think
01:04:31
mouth like some mice died in the walls and he just assumed that No One's Gonna open a floorboard or look behind a
01:04:39
cabinet No One's Gonna look in the pantry behind the cupboard right so he collected rent from some renters that he
01:04:46
brought in there but he wasn't a landlord he couldn't do that like so he just scammed them and then the landlord
01:04:52
found out and was like why are you guys living here like I didn't have you come here I'm not taking your rent and he
01:04:58
made the move out within 24 hours so he scammed these people into coming in took
01:05:03
their money and then had them kicked out of the house within 24 hours now the upstairs neighbor that moved in
01:05:10
after Timothy and Barrel moved out um he was a man named Beresford Brown and he was allowed by the landlord to
01:05:18
use some of John's rooms because it was now an empty flat at this point they hadn't rented anything right right and
01:05:25
he I think some work was being done to the flat upstairs so they said you know while that's being done you can use some
01:05:31
of those things down there like the kitchen you know whatever and one day he was trying to hang something and he said
01:05:39
he heard a hollow noise when he walked now when he knocked on the wall and he's like this is weird so when he
01:05:44
investigates he's like pulling back the like the wallpaper he's like making a hole in the wall and he said I suddenly
01:05:51
found this like Pantry or crawl space Oh no and he came across the bodies now he
01:05:57
called police right away and they were like well [ __ ] because remember he had been really involved in the barrel and
01:06:04
Geraldine Evans trial and murders I was gonna say they're like oh that's the sign we gave the great testimony yeah
01:06:11
that's our story to hear his story about this one yeah great what happened here so they searched the place and they find
01:06:18
essel in the floorboards all the bodies in the pantry slash crawl space and two literally lost count as to how many we
01:06:27
were at at this point well and then they find two bodies in the gardens out back
01:06:31
because remember those were the first victims I believe at this point three four five we're at six
01:06:37
where it's six victims that they found and then we have eight all together with barrel and Geraldine
01:06:43
now they walked so this is wild so they find the two more Bodies In The Gardens out back want to know what tipped them
01:06:51
off about the Bodies In The Gardens because why would they think to just look in the garden sure they walked
01:06:55
outside and they noticed a femur leaning against the fence sure just a femur yeah it was being used
01:07:04
to hold up a rickety part of the fence the human femur oh wow they found a tobacco tin full of hair in his house it
01:07:16
was determined to be pubic hair oh and it was from four different women none of which were in the pantry or crawl space
01:07:24
so who the [ __ ] does this belong to good night everybody that was the episode yep
01:07:30
now the coroner determined the women in the crawl space had all been victims of carbon monoxide poisoning and had been
01:07:36
raped they all had the pink skin which was a Telltale sign of the CO2 poisoning right he said they all died at the hands
01:07:43
of a sexual sadist Ethel was the only one not gassed and the coroner determined she had been manually
01:07:50
strangled with his hands oh my God so personal in another horrific fact about this discovery was that he had placed
01:07:59
cloths between all of their legs after they had died now this was because death causes
01:08:07
incontinence and since he was raping these women as they died it would have been a problem
01:08:14
he was a necrophiliac even though he vehemently hated anyone referring to him as that he would say no I am not no
01:08:22
please do not put that on me I have many things sir but I am not a necrophiliac it's like that really really and you are
01:08:29
you have crossed the line you killed women and raped them as they died that's being a necrophiliac and made sure they
01:08:36
were unconscious too exactly you needed them to at least look down at least act the part yeah now Scotland yard's
01:08:43
biggest Manhunt to date began now because now John Christie is nowhere to be found after they search this place
01:08:50
John was on the run in hiding he was watching the coverage about the murders and he's gonna say I wonder if he like
01:08:57
saw the uh oh yeah flat being flooded with officers and investigators and bolted oh he definitely saw it he was
01:09:05
trying to stay like one step ahead of the law then 10 days after the Manhunt began on March 31st 1953 he was one
01:09:14
wandering around the River Thames and a police officer noticed him and asked for
01:09:19
ID because he had made a great effort to change his clothing that they were saying he was wearing that he like tried
01:09:26
to disguise himself basically so he gave a fake name but the police had been told
01:09:31
that the real identifier of John Christie was a massive forehead and it comes back so the police officer
01:09:40
asked him to remove his hat and when he did the police officer said sir you are John Christian I know it and he was
01:09:50
arrested and his identification showed he was indeed John Christie he also had on him a newspaper clipping about the
01:09:57
murders of beryl and Geraldine oh yep that's smart yep now newspapers at the time I was looking through
01:10:05
newspapers.com because you guys know that's like my favorite thing to do and I could have gone for like days more on
01:10:12
this thing because there's so many insane one of the newspapers called him Mr murder
01:10:18
in so many of them that I found called him this is what the like the exact phrase they used to describe him the
01:10:25
balding 54 year old that's like all of them just start out right off the bat being like let's [ __ ] with you yeah
01:10:33
let's just it's one headline was Scotland yard men quiz balding clerk about murder case which I'm like wow we
01:10:42
are really going at him for that air situation he was also referred to as the sex mad sadist of Notting Hill another
01:10:50
paper also referred to him as an amateur photographer specializing in nudes I looked into this I could not find
01:10:57
anything else about this so I was like newspaper are you okay right like what was that about like he was not that
01:11:03
because John Christie could be like a pretty common name I guess in this person just like really messed up in this
01:11:12
situation either way when they brought John in he denied everything of course until they were like
01:11:19
so we found the bodies in your flat and then he was like okay so maybe I did that but and he made statements about
01:11:26
four of the murders but he had excuses he was like listen they were Justified he also well at this point he also
01:11:34
didn't realize they had found the two bodies in the garden either so he thought he got away with those uh so he
01:11:40
said because that's going to make a big difference because that's that's going to be fine well he's singing I can
01:11:44
explain away these four and maybe I'll get out of it right right so he said he strangled Ethel while she with a
01:11:51
stocking while in bed because he said he she woke up in the middle of the night and she was convulsing and choking out
01:11:58
of nowhere in the middle of the night and he said he couldn't get help so he just had to like finish the job real
01:12:04
quick he would just kill her mercy I guess and he said he then tried to claim that Ethel had attempted suicide and he
01:12:12
thinks that she had choked you know he was saying said he had tried uh she'd tried to do it again and had choked on
01:12:18
the pills by accident because he found his sleeping pills were empty the next time I hate when that happens yeah and
01:12:24
he had no proof to do like to show them of this but like his word you know important he then admitted that he left
01:12:30
her dead body in the bed for days before moving it to the floorboards which I don't know if he thinks that's
01:12:37
going to help him here by being like well yeah I left in the bed for a few days now Rita he claimed tried to extort
01:12:43
him for money because now he's just gonna blame the women uh and they go he said we got into a physical altercation
01:12:49
in the kitchen where she accidentally fell on some rope and died yep so you really thought you should
01:12:57
have seen it she just fell down the Rope just like flung up wrapped around her neck it tightens yeah it was like a
01:13:04
poltergeist I tried to get to it but it was just too late yep and he said and you know what like he gave um an excuse
01:13:11
that's never used this is a very uncommon excuse to use he said he blacked out and doesn't remember it
01:13:18
which never gets used I never know they never use that blackout and I don't remember it thing and by that I mean
01:13:24
they use it almost every time yeah he's probably the originator of it he probably is one of them
01:13:29
um but he said so they're like okay well you blacked out and you don't remember it but you just told us that she fell on
01:13:34
a rope and died and he was like oh yeah well I remember her falling on the rope and dying but like that's it
01:13:40
oh yeah and he had excuse me and it was always their fault and not his and a lot of blackouts happened he
01:13:46
was just blacking out everywhere and in fact he said Hector Arena refused to leave his flat when he asked her and her
01:13:52
boyfriend to and they got into a physical fight and she just passed out randomly couldn't tell you why she just
01:13:59
passed out randomly and as she passed out her clothing came undone oh come on and wrapped around her neck this is just
01:14:07
a pathetic effort this is literally what he said it's insulting like literally the police were like I'm actually
01:14:12
insulted by you right now of course he claimed that Ruth his first victim was over the house when Ethel was away and
01:14:20
news came that Ethel was coming home early so he's playing it like Ruth and him were having an affair and that Ethel was
01:14:28
coming home early so John was like you gotta go and she lost it and told him she loved him and she wanted him to
01:14:35
leave his wife for her but he said no everybody's life right now right and he said I told her no and they had sex and
01:14:43
he strangled her during it and he claimed with Muriel she had come to him and refused to you she had come on to
01:14:51
him excuse me and had refused to take no for an answer so he killed her too he was like these women just they just
01:14:58
can't help themselves around him they're all throwing themselves at me and I just
01:15:03
have to kill them to make them stop and they were like is this really like what you're going with like they were all
01:15:08
like we just want to be sure this is exactly what you want to go with and he was like yes sir
01:15:12
so they were like okay okay so they were like um what about Judge you with murder well they were
01:15:20
also like what about uh those two bodies in the garden that we forgot to mention
01:15:24
that we found as well and he was like oh yeah like okay let's talk about those I
01:15:30
guess so they were like okay yeah you did this you're the worst so he was placed into
01:15:35
Brixton prison while awaiting trial and he bragged about the murders he committed in there he told inmates he
01:15:42
was looking to have 12 murders under his belt and he bragged about being the worst serial killer at the time and it
01:15:48
was during these confessions to other inmates that he admitted how he had gassed them all that's how they found
01:15:54
out what he had done because he couldn't help himself in prison right yeah and and he was saying I got to I got to
01:16:02
eight and he's like ah I just wanted to get to 12. like what right are you kidding me
01:16:08
woof so he was very adamant about not being labeled in necrophiliac so like we said so he told everyone he only had sex
01:16:16
with the women as they were dying and not after they were already dead and they were like that is a necrophiliac my
01:16:23
friend right that's the same course that's the same thing and let's face it chances are
01:16:28
he did it again I do not believe him that he did not do it after now during these confessions he also slipped and
01:16:36
said that he murdered Barrel no he said Beryl had asked him to help her kill herself because she was so upset about
01:16:42
being pregnant so he said he did just that he said he he did that the next day he held he
01:16:48
helped her kill herself now of course the crown was trying to hide this confession because they [ __ ] up if
01:16:55
that's true of course so the crown is like oh yeah we can't let that one out because we just hanged a guy for that
01:17:02
so too who is stating that that exact thing happened by the way and now this guy is saying yeah that's what happened
01:17:08
right now they could never find the hair the owners of the hair in that jar oh really yeah they they said they they
01:17:15
couldn't figure out who it belonged to and he wouldn't tell them they even tested the bodies in the house and it
01:17:21
did not belong to them really I think one of them belonged to Ethel I think and that was it
01:17:26
so now they're like how many jars were there there was one jar but there was at least four women's hair and none of them
01:17:34
belong to the victims only only Ethel I think only yeah right right three sets of hair you have no idea who they belong
01:17:42
to but he said he didn't get to 12. yeah so there isn't like three no which is like maybe you got to ten
01:17:51
maybe you got to 11. right it was just like damn it I wanted to get to 12. yeah and we don't know because he was killing
01:17:57
he was TR he was like going to sex workers a lot he was abusing them he was preying on people he thought wouldn't be
01:18:04
missed maybe one is missed here yeah people who just didn't want to go back to his house to perform the ax and he
01:18:12
was like okay I guess I'm doing this here exactly and then he needed to bring something yeah you don't know home with
01:18:18
him it could have been a trophy a lot of these guys like a trophy I don't normally think like this you're making
01:18:25
me think I know terrible things I know that I do the stash too I don't just sit there being like I wonder where the
01:18:33
pubic hair came from no but here we are coming up with theories yeah theories about this I it's it happens here just
01:18:41
welcome to morbid now they spoke to his neighbors during all of this to go one and done just so
01:18:48
you know he's coming back I'm retiring he's coming back they spoke to neighbors during all of this to kind of get
01:18:54
information about what kind of man he was and wow were they colorful they all said he was a nice guy but they said he
01:19:02
was strange one neighbor said this is like my favorite one she said quote he wore an isolate yellow gloves and used
01:19:09
to tip his hat Broadmoor and hangings is too good for him Broadmoor was like um a
01:19:14
mental health facility yeah Broadmoor and hanging is too good for him the old electric chair from America is what he
01:19:20
deserves that would send him off with a few crazy Americans that's exactly what it is but then she finished it with that
01:19:26
would send him off with a few Sparks I'm like wow nice all right neighbor Association she got she got very like
01:19:34
literary with it it was insane now before the trial could be set he had to be determined fit to stand trial oh boy
01:19:42
and he definitely only tried to go for the insanity defense I could see that coming yeah the defense referred to Here
01:19:47
Comes the theatrics exactly there were defense referred to him as matter than a March Hare that's what they were going
01:19:53
with okay but the prosecution ordered a psychiatric evaluation to counter this because they believed he was not insane
01:20:00
and they knew that this was going to prove that sure now after all he had tried very hard to cover up the crimes
01:20:06
he had evidence that pointed to him and he had run from the law when he was caught
01:20:11
all the psychiatrists that tested John Christie were repulsed by him as a human being after they talked to him they were
01:20:17
like he's disgusting and I hate him literally a couple of them said he made them nauseous to talk to
01:20:24
and they couldn't find even one thing to like about him they were like I don't know what he does to get these people
01:20:29
into his house like that's a different person because we did not see it today wow now this is when people really
01:20:36
thought the whole mustard gas hysterical mutinous thing was [ __ ] and just for attention because some psychiatrists got
01:20:43
the whisper voice all of a sudden he resorted back to it and then some got a very normal very level speaking voice
01:20:50
depending on who he was trying to get attention from and also what questions were being asked when it got into the
01:20:57
nitty-gritty suddenly it went into I'm the victim here yeah yeah things he didn't want to talk about suddenly he
01:21:03
would whisper and you could barely hear him now he tried to fake personality disorders as well he would try to fake
01:21:09
multiple personalities or Detachment you can't really fake that like psychiatrists always know when you're
01:21:16
faking it they all knew they all determined he was 100 sane not one bit of insanity in there good yeah now old
01:21:24
bayley trial was June 20 22nd 1953. he was going to be tried for murdering Ethel that was what they were going with
01:21:33
because again it was weird they just would pick one thing and like really go for it there was very good evidence for
01:21:39
this particular murder so they just went with that one I mean finding bodies in his home to me is pretty good evidence
01:21:45
but like who am I the only thing that stinks is like the justice for the families that's the thing I'm assuming
01:21:53
even if these people are like down and maybe out of touch with their families once they found out what happened
01:21:58
they're gonna you just wanna hear that this person was responsible exactly are gonna get punished for it exactly but I
01:22:06
do get the point of like at that time one murder is ten murders like he's gonna be gone either way he's
01:22:13
gonna be hanged if he gets yeah if he gets it just sticks to the families well and apparently which is like very
01:22:19
different too they were able to kind of bring these other victims into it they could like hold them off to the side and
01:22:26
if they needed to they could bring those in so it was one of those like we got them we'll use them they ended up asking
01:22:32
about them actually in the trial so they didn't bring them in okay because they thought it would also help it was
01:22:37
actually his side that brought them in because they thought it would help the insanity defense by being like look
01:22:43
he's definitely insane right now he pled not guilty by reason of insanity obviously only a four-day trial happened
01:22:51
and when the verdict was returned it was only after um deliberating for an hour and 20
01:22:58
minutes okay they sentenced him or excuse me that he was found guilty and they sentenced him to death by hanging
01:23:06
all right the Chattanooga Daily Times said about this quote the jury Foreman said guilty sharply Christie's jaw
01:23:14
locked and his long fingers groped the Oak and rail before him until the knuckles gleamed white the judge wearing
01:23:20
the little black Square cap of death over his 17th century wig peered at him and Christy straightened to an almost
01:23:27
Guardsman stance he went gray white as the judge pronounced sentence in level tone which I was what a fabulous
01:23:35
paragraph thank you isn't it amazing I just got put right inside that courtroom me too I could feel everything I feel
01:23:41
like I could smell the courtroom his long fingers gripped the Oak and rail his knuckles turned white his jaw
01:23:49
tightened like the the judge wearing the little black Square cap of death over his wig fabulous and they said they
01:23:56
could notice that he visibly uh Blake got like cringed when he saw that black cap which apparently which I had no idea
01:24:04
I was like Wow in the theater that like they would put this cap on when they were gonna sentence you to death so it's
01:24:10
like you would see that and be like oh [ __ ] like that is it good I had no idea
01:24:14
that they did that no me neither no he was hanged within two weeks of this like very quick at Pentonville prison on July
01:24:23
15th he was um somewhere between 54 and 55 years old he was actually hanged by the
01:24:31
same executioner who hanged Timothy Evans oh wow Albert Pierpont now apparently he had told so when um when
01:24:40
John went to The Gallows he was like anxious and he told Albert the Executioner that he had an itch on his
01:24:47
nose that he couldn't scratch because of he was bound his hands were bound right
01:24:51
and Albert apparently said something to the effect of it won't be bothering you for long seriously like that's your
01:24:58
biggest concern right now what a like what is like what a burn nothing yeah and also what I like I'm not giving you
01:25:05
any satisfaction yeah do you think I'm gonna ask him if your nose or let you at your nose like you raped and murdered
01:25:13
women and kept them in your house you think I'm gonna itch your nose for you kidding like no oh my God now after this
01:25:20
happened so he's gone the end but it's not because an investigation into Timothy
01:25:27
Evans guilt before John Christie was hanged was already in motion good it only took 11 days for them to go through
01:25:35
this investigation and they barely looked into it it was a very rushed investigation that they basically did
01:25:41
just to shut everybody up and he was found still guilty oh come on but then two years later another investigation
01:25:47
was suggested after evidence came forward to suggest the first investigation was botched and evidenced
01:25:54
against Joan Christie was blatantly ignored because do you think yeah because they didn't want to bring to
01:26:00
light the methods used to get the confession from Timothy they were worried that was what was going to come
01:26:05
up now the inquiry there was another inquiry in 1965 and it concluded that Timothy
01:26:11
so basically this one it's he when I say he got Justice it's not full They concluded that Timothy strangled
01:26:18
Beryl but not Geraldine and that John Christie murdered the little baby Geraldine
01:26:25
so what are we doing again John Christie admitted to murdering Barrel several times so I don't understand what we're
01:26:33
doing here but he was pardoned posthumously October 18 1966. okay now a look into the police investigation was
01:26:42
interesting like I said like you're gonna see it and be like I don't know about that they discovered that the
01:26:47
police destroyed evidence in the barrel and Geraldine case destroyed it yeah they destroyed the necktie found around
01:26:55
geraldine's neck and they had no reason for this right there was no reason to destroy it they didn't blame it on like
01:27:01
a fire or something like that it's just no particular evidence from this particular case is gone yeah also a lot
01:27:09
of the interviews and reports from the case were terribly written and seemed like [ __ ] with basically then there
01:27:16
was the fact that they went to John Christie's home to search a couple of times and somehow missed a human femoral
01:27:23
bone leaning up against a fence and the garden right how did they miss that this
01:27:28
inquiry was led by high court judge Sir Daniel Braven and after reading through all of this he didn't find anything
01:27:34
wrong with it didn't didn't think they needed it happens man there's a dog bone yeah now people no dogs in the area like
01:27:41
no one questioned that the femoral bone is the largest bone in the human right that's you're not going to look at that
01:27:47
and be like though that's just a bone you're gonna be like that's a human femoral bone like it's very easy to
01:27:52
[ __ ] point out he couldn't find like and there was no extra pieces of lumber to hold up what was it
01:28:00
whatever but I think he liked it like I think that was his like he just wanted to be able to look out and see it
01:28:06
exactly and it was him like further shaming them and further like just messing with their legacy on earth like
01:28:13
he was just like I can use your bones to hold up my [ __ ] fence like he was so gross yeah this dude thought he was just
01:28:20
Untouchable he did because he was for a long time that's the thing he was given the power to believe that he was
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Untouchable so that's the worst that police investigation caused how many deaths yep and a lot of people do
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believe that there are more than the stated victims because of the whole like hair thing that's just real I just don't
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understand yeah and there was also a lot like there's no other way to get that here other than that's the killing the
01:28:50
person exactly and there was there was a few large gaps between killings too at times
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like at one point there was like 12 months between at another point that was like years between it happens we have
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BTK to look at for that happening like we have like 30-year Gap in that one but more than likely with this guy it feels
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like he needed that yeah and the BTK case is used a lot of times to be like see like they don't always like have
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this cooling off period that like is that you know when it happens it can be long sure but I feel like he's the
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exception to the rule more than the rules so like we can't really point to that to be like yeah that happens like
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I'm sure it does but like very rarely and this guy seemed to be like yeah John Christian has not seen like the type of
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guy that's like you know all of a sudden it's like oh it's been two years since I've done this
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let me uh do it again yeah it feels like he needs to do it pretty often yeah like
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he doesn't seem like he's settling back into like family life for a little while
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like he's just seemed like a shitty guy that just was Non-Stop and he seemed like insatiable to be honest right so I
01:29:59
would be very interested to see if more came out of it but so far nobody else has been tied
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to him but that is the horrendous uh story of John Christie wow the horrific serial killer who got another guy hanged
01:30:17
for some of his crimes amazing yeah you kind of just like do a listener Tales or something huh we just
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had a we had to go deep go big or go home yeah I feel like you gotta be broken in like in
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a big way you can't yeah you did that and you can't just like you you like to just jump into the pool you don't like
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to like just walk slowly into the pool I hate walking slowly exactly I know this
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about you I need to jump in I don't want to know what the temperature is of the pool I just let's find out did you not
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just describe what happened here yeah you did not know the temperature definitely did not know the temperature
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it probably wouldn't agreed to it probably wouldn't have agreed to a late night recording of it no definitely not
01:31:02
you could have helped me out with that I mean thanks for doing it I appreciate it
01:31:11
uh I think I'm gonna eat some ice cream now I'm gonna go retire and I'm gonna watch the office we can watch the office
01:31:17
to get our ourselves right again I'm gonna need about 16 hours of that yeah sure it'll be fine we don't need sleep
01:31:25
tonight it's cool our youngest usually doesn't let us sleep anyways so we're used to it yeah
01:31:31
Ash get better yeah I should get better if you try to make me record another one of these I'm
01:31:39
going to Ash's house and like forcing her to cough in my face and I'm just gonna get covered and then I'll just
01:31:45
have to stay over there and you just have to go to the next person in line I mean you had to dig deep to bring me on
01:31:52
no way I just had to look to my left on the couch or actually am I right I had to look to
01:31:58
my right excuse me I don't want to lie I had to look to my right on the couch but I appreciate you
01:32:08
you are anytime you're a ride or die apparently yeah because you know I was this ride or die I'll be honest you're
01:32:16
so ride or die that you don't ask where we're going or why we have to die you just yeah it's like where are we going
01:32:22
for the next 90 minutes let's go oh okay we're going down one of the worst stories ever so there's that cool well I
01:32:31
apologize to everybody I was um extremely nervous going into this you did great never did a podcast before
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really you did great and uh hopefully Ash will be back and you'll have your regular scheduled programming in no time
01:32:47
you will don't worry but this was a fun little detour and it was fun to hang out
01:32:51
with you for an hour and a half oh it was fun to hang out with you for an hour busy lives yeah I don't know if we get
01:32:58
many hour and a half's together so to just sit and talk you know what I prefer some other things maybe get a dinner or
01:33:07
something sure but you do and I appreciate you but guys I hope you keep listening and I hope you
01:33:18
keep it weird you did it and I don't have Ash so not so weird that you do any of this because John Christie is
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disgusting yeah not a great guy guys no to say the least [Music] thank you [Music]