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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And
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this is Morbid.
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[Music]
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It's our first exclusive episode with
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Sirius.
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>> No.
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>> I am like the feeling in this room.
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>> Oh, it's wild. It's palpable. If you
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guys were You guys are here. You can
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feel it.
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>> It's palpable. Like, we're cleaning the
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pod lab. We're entering a new era.
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>> We're not just cleaning the pod lab. We
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are revitalizing and gutting it because
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the energy in this place was [ __ ]
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rancid.
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>> Rank ass energy.
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>> It was rancid as hell. So, we said, "Get
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the [ __ ] out of here energy." And we're
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bringing new wonderful
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>> happy energy into this room.
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>> Yeah, it's insane. No particular reason
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for any of that. Just happy energy being
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brought into the room.
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>> It's insane. Like the actual physical
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baggage, but also like the emotional
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energetic baggage that you can
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accumulate over a few years.
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>> Yeah, it's true. You can It's And it
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sounds like crazy, but it really is like
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you can feel the heaviness in this room.
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That's why we were like every we opened
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the windows. We were like bye.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We got rid of everything. Like we're
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starting a new. So this pod lab will
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look a little different when you see it
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on camera.
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>> Yeah. And actually we're going to start
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doing listener tales like switching off
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our sides of the room which I'm excited
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for.
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>> Um cuz like Elena's wall is so Elena and
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mine I need to revamp mine a little bit.
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Like it's still very me but I need to
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kind of like
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>> Well, we're we're revamping.
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>> We're gutt.
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>> Exactly.
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>> But yeah. So that'll be fun like
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switching off.
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>> Yeah. It feel it feels like a new era
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and we're very excited.
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>> I can't express to you how happy I've
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been like the last few days.
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>> Oh, we the three of us in this room have
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been literally laughing so hard the last
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few days that we've been like crying.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Coughing, sputtering, falling on the
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ground. Like we are just in a state of
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we're just we're very excited for Sirius
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and we're excit we really love the
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people that we're working with at Sirius
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and we feel very at home.
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>> Yeah. Things are just [ __ ] awesome
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right now. In fact, things are so
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awesome that we said, "Why not do
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another live show?"
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>> Hey,
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>> you guys, you sold out the first one in
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under 3 minutes, which was um truly
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insane. Picture frames are falling.
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>> There's a lot of uh
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>> there's a lot of things around.
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>> There's a lot of hoo-ha.
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>> Like we said, we're unpacking. But um
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no, you guys sold out the Wilbur. You
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helped us do that in under three
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minutes. So, we said, "Honey, we got to
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add another show. There's a lot of
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weirdos that couldn't get tickets."
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>> Exactly. And you guys were saying like,
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"Shit, I wanted a ticket." and we were
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like,
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>> "Let's get you one."
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>> We said, "We'll do what we can, doll,
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like not going on a nationwide tour by
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any means, but
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>> you know, we'll add another show." And
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we did. So, that goes on sale uh
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September 8th
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>> at like the Wilbur website, wherever you
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got tickets.
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>> Yeah. And the show will be the 28th. So,
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the Sunday after the uh the first show,
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which is on the 26th.
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>> Yeah. We did the Friday and then a
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Sunday. Give us a little break for our
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beauty rest.
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>> You know, revitalize.
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>> Exactly. I'm so excited.
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>> So, yeah, get September 8th. Get those
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tickets. Same. It's at the Wilbur, so
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you can get them the same way you got
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the first ones.
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>> Um,
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>> it'll be the same show, just so you
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know.
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>> Yep. Same show.
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>> So, like if you got it,
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>> you got it.
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>> You might want to see I don't know if
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you want to see it again, but just know
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going into it that it won't be a
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different show.
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>> Yeah, it's not going to be a different
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show, but um we're very excited about
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it.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And we'll get to meet some of you guys.
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There's some meet and greet tickets um
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up there, too. There's going to be
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special merch for just for the show
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>> exclusive
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>> and um for the merch that's going to be
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like special merch for the shows. Uh we
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collabed with Matt at the Black Veil,
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our buddy Matt. We love Black Veil.
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>> Our good bud, our good bud. Uh and he
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helped he designed our merch. So I'm
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very excited about that.
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>> And if you're familiar with Matt and
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Ryan, please have no fear. We have Ryan
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working on some other stuff.
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>> We do.
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>> We are. We There are big things
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happening. Hey, hey, hey. Big things
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happening.
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>> Big things happening. We're going to be
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having a new uh season of the Rewatcher
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coming in a couple months.
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>> Going to be covering True Blood.
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>> We're going to be covering True Blood.
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So, if you haven't join the Rewatcher
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crowd if you if you weren't, you know,
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if Buffy wasn't your thing, that's okay.
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Um True Blood. It's going to be [ __ ]
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hilarious for True Blood.
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>> I'm super excited. And we have some
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really cool things for True Blood. We
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have a new theme song that we can't say
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what it is yet because we're gonna make
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it a surprise.
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>> But you know what? A friend helped us.
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>> A friend helped us with the
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>> friend of the pod.
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>> So well, don't worry. You'll find out.
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>> Yeah, you'll find out.
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>> Uh, but that's all very exciting things.
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>> What other Bid nasty do we have?
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>> Is there any other
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>> We're both looking at Mikey like
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Michael,
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>> Michael,
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>> what do we have?
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>> Tell me about my life.
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>> This isn't Bney Bney. What?
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>> This isn't Bney. This isn't bit nasty,
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but I have discovered that I can drink
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cold brew now.
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>> Yeah, she has.
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>> It's made me a brand new [ __ ]
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>> Yeah,
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>> I feel
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>> it gives her a high like I've never
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seen.
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>> That's the thing. And it's not like a
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It's nice because I'm It's just like a
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nice smooth happiness. I used to drink
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cold brew and feel like my heart was
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literally racing out of my chest and
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going to just like fall onto the floor.
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Now I'm just like I'm so happy. I love
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everyone. She's been hilarious. She's
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always hilarious, but she's been extra
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hilarious.
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>> Yeah,
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>> we're Oh my god. We're also working on
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So, like when you go to the Wilbur show,
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obviously like we're not out on stage
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right away. It takes us a minute to get
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red eyee. So, you listen to a cool
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playlist that we are
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>> we are curating this playlist and it
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goes so [ __ ] hard.
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>> It's wild.
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>> It's very distinguishable who picked
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what song. Uh, and it goes again it goes
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harder than any other playlist that I am
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aware of.
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>> It is a wild playlist.
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>> I got out of breath earlier dancing to
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one of the songs and it fell onto my
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train.
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>> That is 100% the truth.
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>> Mikey threw a wig on and was dancing. It
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was It was pretty intense.
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>> I can't laugh too hard. I don't Oh,
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yeah. It's my case today. We're doing
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part two of Patty. Um, so this one's
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like a little bit of a shorter one, but
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I had to break it in a certain way. But
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before we get into everything, um I just
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want to say sorry because my voice might
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be like a little weird. I don't know if
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it's allergies.
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>> It's probably allergies
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>> or if it's all the ling perhaps
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>> it could be a mixture.
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>> It's it's just a little bit weird just
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so you know.
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>> Yeah. And and before we get into Patty,
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we just wanted to quickly say cuz you
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know school is starting for a lot of
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parents and kids and all that fun stuff.
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Um, but it started off really poorly.
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Um, because we are so sorry about the um
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the school shooting at the Enunciation
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Catholic School in Minneapolis. Yeah.
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>> Uh, horrifying.
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>> They were literally
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>> two kids were killed. 17, I believe, are
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injured. A couple in critical.
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>> Yeah. 17 were injured and I think it was
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14 of those 17 are children.
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>> Yeah. And two of them are in critical
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condition. It's [ __ ] terrible.
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>> The kids killed uh they said were eight
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and 10.
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>> Eight and 10. babies and they were only
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in school for a couple of days. I mean,
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the school year hasn't even started for
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all of us.
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>> The mass itself was celebrating the
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first week of school that they were in.
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>> It's horrifying. Um, we need to do
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better than thoughts and prayers. We
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need to do something. Uh, so contact
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whoever you can contact to get some [ __ ]
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moving because this just can't stand
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anymore. This is insane.
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>> Um, it it's just so upsetting. And also,
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teachers need raises. We need we need to
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pay teachers better. It's what are we
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doing here?
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>> That's what you That's what we were
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talking about earlier and Elena said
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she's like we're asking so much of
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teachers.
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>> We are literally asking teachers like I
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when I sit in front of my kids teachers
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at like before school starts for like
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the parent teacher thing. I every I'm
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like I am asking you to throw yourself
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in front of my child
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>> to be a human in the unthinkable event.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Like I'm literally I'm asking you this
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right now. And the wild thing is that
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like like that we are putting so much
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faith in these teachers and they are
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they're putting that on themselves.
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>> Oh, they're willing they're doing it.
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>> That's the thing. They're willing to be
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[ __ ]
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>> and they're often treated like [ __ ]
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>> and it's like I'm I mean we we've been
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very lucky that we've had amazing
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teachers. Like my kids have had just the
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best teachers. Oh,
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>> they really have. And but it's like I it
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it just makes me I I can't believe what
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we ask of them and what they have to
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take on and then they're given just
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[ __ ]
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>> bare classrooms and they have to pay out
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of their own pocket
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>> and they do
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>> and they do to make it colorful to make
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it fun to make it engaging like that's
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why we were just talking about it every
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now like whenever I see like on TikTok
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sometimes if I see a teacher talking
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about like their wish lists a lot of
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times they have Amazon on wish list or
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something. Um, and when I can, I try to
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>> buy off of the wish list because I just
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I I can't I can't believe that teachers
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have to pay out of pocket to do anything
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for their students.
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>> So many other jobs you are given the
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tools to do that job.
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>> Like just given a bare room like that's
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wild. So we just want to say like um our
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listeners who are teachers, if you have
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wish lists and you need them cleared,
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you need some stuff off of them like you
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can please send them into us. you can
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send them to [email protected].
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Um, we we obviously can't clear
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everybody's list, but we would love to
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start trying to help out as much as we
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can. Um, because [ __ ] that sucks. And
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>> as soon as we've barely started the
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school year and there's already a school
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shooting, it really makes it hit a
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little harder how much faith and how
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much pressure we are putting on
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teachers, especially parents. Like we
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should all be sitting there thinking
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about it that like as we send our kid
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off to school, we're we're assuming that
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that teacher is willing to risk their
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entire
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self for your kid.
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>> And they will.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We've seen it time and time again.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So yeah, if you want to send us your
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lists, morbidgmail.com,
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just put in the title that it's a
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teacher list. Yeah.
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>> Um so yeah, so so do that. We'll do our
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best and hope you teachers, we love you
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and
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>> I know that that's a horrifying
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beginning to the school year for
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teachers and parents alike. So,
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>> thinking of all of you in solidarity.
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>> Look out for each other, y'all.
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>> Yeah, for sure.
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>> All right, so with all of that being
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said, I think it is time to get into
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Patty part two.
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>> Patty part two.
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>> Patty part two. Um, this is like a
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little bit of a shorter part, too. And I
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didn't do that for any other reason
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other than the way that the story goes.
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There's so much that happens that you
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kind of just have to break at certain
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points.
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>> Yeah. Like
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>> just so you can understand the whole
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narrative.
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>> Yeah. Exactly. Um, so I think this is
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probably going to end up being four
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parts unless it's just a really long
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part three, but I'm I think I'm leaning
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towards four parts just to make it all
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kind of palatable.
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>> Okay. So, just to go over part one
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really quickly, we covered a lot of the
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background of this era that were in, you
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know, like very late 60s, early 70s,
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mostly how the youths of the time were
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trying to start a revolution.
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>> A revolution.
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>> Yeah. For change. And how some groups
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were doing it very peacefully, very
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kumbayaike.
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>> Hell yeah.
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>> And others, the Siman Liberation Army,
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>> they were doing things like kidnapping
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Patty Hurst.
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>> Yeah. A little bit different.
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>> Stuff like that.
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>> Yeah. Um, so if for some reason you're
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just tuning in to part two and skipping
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part one, that's crazy. What are you
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doing? Whoa.
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>> I'll help you out.
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>> That's reckless.
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>> Patty Hurst was low-key the daughter
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belonging to one of the richest families
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in the world. So, that wasn't awesome
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that she got kidnapped.
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>> No.
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>> We ended part one with Patty's family
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getting a tape from her where she
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basically said that her kidnappers
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hadn't hurt her that badly. They were
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being nice enough. She just asked her
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parents to comply with their wishes. and
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Patty's family, her dad especially
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Randph Hurst, set up that food distrib
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uh distribution center and all of them
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around California just trying to comply
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with the demands of the SLA. So, let's
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get into part two.
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>> Let's do it.
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>> While Randolph Hurst and FBI agents were
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working to get Patty back from the SLA,
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Patty herself was going through a pretty
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emotionally trying time and a pretty
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bizarre experience of her own.
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>> Yeah. At first, the SLA was keeping her
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inside of a closet.
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>> Wow.
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>> This closet was 6 and 1/2 ft deep, a
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little over 2 feet wide, and 8 ft high.
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>> What?
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>> And she was there like 24/7 for a while.
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>> What the [ __ ]
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>> At night, she slept on a dirty foam
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mattress that they had cut to fit into
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the closet.
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>> Yeah. So, at all times, she was in total
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darkness and she barely remember 2 and
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1/2 ft wide. So, she didn't even have
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enough room to turn around most of the
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time.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> The claustrophobia must have been next
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level.
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>> Now, things obviously weren't quite as
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dire as she had worried when she was
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thinking about the kidnapping of Barbara
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Markle, who was buried alive.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But in the pitch dark of that closet, it
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was kind of hard to tell the difference.
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>> Yeah, it's pretty similar.
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>> Yeah. So, she was doing her best to stay
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calm, but the early days were very
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scary. Eventually, though, she kind of
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started tapping into the sounds around
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her. She was trying to listen to the
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voices of her kidnappers when they were
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talking near the closet and trying to
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figure out what the [ __ ] was going on
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here. And whenever she was outside the
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closet for any reason, they kept her
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blindfolded so she couldn't see their
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faces. But she really tapped into
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listening and realized that there were
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big differences in dealing with each of
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them.
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>> Like Donald Dreeze, for example, he was
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the head of the operation. He was
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commanding. He was gruff. He didn't
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there didn't seem to be like a lot of
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intelligence or compassion behind his
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personality.
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>> He was just intense.
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>> Ew.
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>> In the early days, he told Patty that
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she had been quote arrested, not
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kidnapped. No.
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>> Because her father was a corporate enemy
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of the people.
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>> Do you know what arrested means?
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>> He had a different definition.
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>> Do you know what kidnapped means?
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>> Like sir,
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>> no, it's definitely kidnapping.
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>> Sir, what?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. when he was talking about the
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mission and the message, it didn't
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really seem to Patty like he was
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experienced in any way at what he was
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doing. It just kind of sounded like he
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was a kid playing war.
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>> Yeah, it it does sound like that.
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>> Yeah. Some of the other members, they
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seemed to Patty entirely out of place
00:14:54
among the more hardened members. Like
00:14:56
Bill Harris, the one who had grabbed her
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hand.
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>> I was going to say, yeah,
00:14:59
>> he spoke in a very soft, generally
00:15:02
respectful tone. And he and a few of the
00:15:04
other uh in the group reminded Patty
00:15:07
actually of kids that she went to school
00:15:08
with. It was like these kids, like the
00:15:11
softer ones, had gotten caught up in the
00:15:13
movement. Things had gone too far and
00:15:15
now they didn't know how to get out.
00:15:17
>> Yeah, that makes sense.
00:15:18
>> But even though she was like, "Okay,
00:15:20
these people are like, you know, kind of
00:15:23
like peers and it seems like they're a
00:15:25
little lost here." It was still a
00:15:27
serious situation that wasn't lost on
00:15:29
her.
00:15:30
>> She didn't know a lot about these
00:15:31
people, but she did know that they
00:15:33
claimed responsibility for the murder of
00:15:34
Marcus Foster, so that was reason enough
00:15:37
to take them seriously. Yeah, that's
00:15:38
terrifying.
00:15:39
>> Yeah. So, in the early days, Donald Def
00:15:42
and some of the others were really
00:15:43
trying to interrogate her about her
00:15:45
dad's financial situation and they
00:15:48
wanted to know about like his business
00:15:49
dealings, what was going on there,
00:15:51
>> which it's like how much does she
00:15:53
actually know?
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>> Well, like
00:15:55
>> exactly, you know, so she didn't know a
00:15:58
lot about it. She didn't really know a
00:16:00
ton about where her f she knew that they
00:16:02
were wealthy.
00:16:03
>> She knew like generally what maybe what
00:16:05
he does but like
00:16:07
>> kind of but she didn't know like where
00:16:09
everything came from and she like she
00:16:11
was like yeah I think we're richer than
00:16:12
most people but she was like I don't
00:16:14
know how we spend it. I don't know his
00:16:15
colleagues. I don't know a lot about
00:16:17
this.
00:16:17
>> So they were getting frustrated with her
00:16:20
>> and also Patty it was like Patty was
00:16:22
like why are you asking me all of this?
00:16:24
Like this is very strange and bizarre.
00:16:26
>> Yeah. But what was more disturbing was
00:16:29
the fact that DeFreeze and others
00:16:30
already seemed to know a lot. Like they
00:16:33
were they wereing her with questions,
00:16:35
but at the same time it seemed like they
00:16:36
had info, not just about her father or
00:16:39
her family wealth, but about her
00:16:41
specifically.
00:16:42
>> A few days into keeping her, Patty was
00:16:44
asking when she was going to be able to
00:16:46
go home and Donald Dere just looked at
00:16:48
her and was like, "What? You want to go
00:16:50
home for your birthday?"
00:16:51
>> Ew.
00:16:52
>> Like, but he knew it was her birthday.
00:16:55
>> Yeah. I hate that a lot. Yeah. Scary.
00:16:58
She said later that she remembered this
00:16:59
as one of the most chilling moments of
00:17:01
the whole thing
00:17:02
>> because for so many reasons. For one, he
00:17:05
knows it's your birthday.
00:17:06
>> Yeah.
00:17:06
>> And then two, just being like, "Oh, you
00:17:08
want to go home for your birthday?"
00:17:09
Like, that's so dehumanizing. Like, you
00:17:11
just don't give a [ __ ]
00:17:12
>> He definitely did it.
00:17:14
>> And also, it made her realize, too, that
00:17:16
she wasn't just the victim of a random
00:17:18
kidnapping. This was coordinated. This
00:17:21
was well researched. And her kidnappers
00:17:23
knew way more than she thought they did.
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Now, within a few days, it occurred to
00:17:27
everybody in the safe house that not
00:17:29
knowing how long these negotiations were
00:17:31
going to go on with the Hurst family,
00:17:33
they couldn't just keep Patty in that
00:17:34
small ass closet with no contact with
00:17:37
anybody for the whole duration of her
00:17:39
captivity. So, instead, Donald Dere kind
00:17:43
of put together this schedule where only
00:17:45
three members would engage with her.
00:17:47
That way, she couldn't identify the
00:17:49
entire group because this is a big
00:17:50
group. He knew that he didn't have any
00:17:52
kind of rapport with her. Like they
00:17:54
weren't driving at all.
00:17:55
>> I wonder why.
00:17:56
>> Yeah, it's crazy. So, he assigned Nancy
00:17:58
Lang, uh, Angela Atwood, and Willie
00:18:01
Wolf, which is an iconic name, I have to
00:18:02
say.
00:18:02
>> Willy Wolf is a great name.
00:18:04
>> Willy Wolf.
00:18:04
>> I kind of wanted Bill Harris to be in
00:18:06
there.
00:18:06
>> I I too was
00:18:08
>> I feel like she would be a good fit.
00:18:09
>> Yeah. But Willie Wolf Willie Wolf
00:18:11
stepped in.
00:18:12
>> So, they were kind of like her handlers.
00:18:14
And he said he figured Donald DFreeze
00:18:17
since the three of them came from upper
00:18:19
middle class backgrounds, they would be
00:18:21
better positioned to get information out
00:18:23
of her. She could kind of relate to
00:18:24
them. Yeah.
00:18:25
>> So there was some thought thought and
00:18:27
put into
00:18:28
>> So in the days that followed, she didn't
00:18:30
really have a lot of communication with
00:18:32
her kidnappers. Most of the time that
00:18:34
she did spend them spend with them was
00:18:35
just to record the communications that
00:18:37
they were sending to her family and to
00:18:39
the radio station. But when Patty wasn't
00:18:41
making recordings, she was just sitting
00:18:43
there listening in on conversations
00:18:45
between everybody. Most of what she was
00:18:48
saying in recordings was written down
00:18:50
for her to say. But as she was doing
00:18:52
more and more of these recordings and
00:18:54
listening in more, she was starting to
00:18:56
understand what they were saying. And
00:18:58
sometimes she was starting to understand
00:19:00
why they were saying it.
00:19:01
>> Like she she got the message.
00:19:04
>> Oh.
00:19:04
>> Which is a little scary.
00:19:05
>> Yeah. That's interesting.
00:19:06
>> Yeah. And with each communication that
00:19:08
the family was getting, that the radio
00:19:10
stations were getting, there seemed to
00:19:12
be a noticeable shift in her voice, it
00:19:15
was something like confidence. Like she
00:19:18
didn't seem as scared to be being held
00:19:20
anymore. And it almost seemed like she
00:19:23
was starting to agree with what they
00:19:25
were saying.
00:19:26
>> Like their what their whole message
00:19:29
behind what they were doing was.
00:19:30
>> Yeah. author Jeffrey Tubin pointed out
00:19:32
and we linked to his book in the um
00:19:34
first set of show notes and we'll link
00:19:36
it in this one too. But he said it was
00:19:38
kind of an impatience in her voice. He
00:19:39
said not with her captors but with her
00:19:41
parents.
00:19:43
>> Yeah, that would be scary.
00:19:45
>> Yeah,
00:19:46
>> especially for her parents to hear like
00:19:48
they probably notice.
00:19:49
>> Yeah, that's the thing. Oh, they
00:19:50
definitely did. So, in time the rigid
00:19:52
schedule and the structure of the only
00:19:54
three members handling Patty started to
00:19:57
relax because she's spending more time
00:19:58
there. They can probably see that she's
00:20:01
starting to kind of hear what they're
00:20:02
saying.
00:20:04
>> No one lost sight of the larger goals
00:20:06
and nobody forgot that Patty was
00:20:07
captive. But it also at the same time
00:20:10
was kind of impossible to keep up these
00:20:12
prisonesque formalities
00:20:14
>> no matter how much Donald Dere thought
00:20:16
that he was running a [ __ ] military
00:20:18
operation thought.
00:20:19
>> So by by early March after a full month
00:20:23
being held captive, another recording
00:20:25
was delivered to the Hurst home. In this
00:20:27
one, it didn't seem actually like the
00:20:29
message was written out. It seemed like
00:20:31
Patty herself was talking and she
00:20:33
sounded genu genuinely frustrated with
00:20:35
her parents. She told them, "I don't
00:20:37
believe you're doing anything at all."
00:20:39
>> Ooh, that would kill me.
00:20:42
>> And also, they were
00:20:44
>> That's the thing. They were trying as
00:20:45
hard as they possibly could.
00:20:47
>> In part one, we talked about how her
00:20:49
father, Randph Hurst, set up those food
00:20:52
distribution centers and his
00:20:53
organization, Pin People in Need
00:20:56
immediately. Yeah.
00:20:57
>> And how like obviously it didn't go
00:20:58
perfectly fine with the startup and
00:21:00
>> not a lot does.
00:21:01
>> It never does with a startup. And it
00:21:04
went pretty well all things considered.
00:21:06
Just being her parents and going through
00:21:09
this ordeal first of all and then
00:21:11
hearing her say, "I don't think you're
00:21:13
doing anything at all." That would kill
00:21:15
me.
00:21:15
>> Yeah.
00:21:16
>> Like knowing my my child thought I
00:21:18
wasn't doing anything to save them might
00:21:21
kill me where I stand. Like I think I
00:21:23
would die.
00:21:24
>> Yeah. I
00:21:25
>> that would be gut-wrenching.
00:21:27
>> I feel so hard for her parents.
00:21:29
>> Yeah, that's just gut-wrenching to see.
00:21:31
I don't believe that you're doing
00:21:32
anything at all.
00:21:34
>> Yeah, that would ruin my entire ex. I
00:21:37
would never recover from that.
00:21:39
>> I don't know how you how you listen to
00:21:41
that. And
00:21:42
>> and also know that you're doing
00:21:44
everything you possibly can.
00:21:45
>> Yeah, that's the thing. Like, you know,
00:21:47
but she doesn't. Why is she realizing?
00:21:49
And like are they
00:21:50
>> why doesn't she believe that I would do
00:21:53
anything to save her? Like did I not
00:21:55
instill that into her enough? Like
00:21:57
>> well then they're probably looking back
00:21:58
on the relationship they did have with
00:22:00
her where, you know, she was the tougher
00:22:01
one of the five daughters.
00:22:03
>> Did we somehow make her think we
00:22:04
wouldn't move like you know mountains
00:22:07
for her?
00:22:08
>> Exactly.
00:22:09
>> Exactly. I think there was probably a
00:22:11
lot of I was just going to say a lot of
00:22:13
guilt like ruminating which like not you
00:22:16
know not valid guilt as in like they did
00:22:19
something wrong but like they're
00:22:20
probably putting it on themselves.
00:22:21
>> Exactly. So by that point the
00:22:24
restrictions that the SLA placed on
00:22:26
Patty were pretty much gone altogether.
00:22:28
There was never any question of the
00:22:29
power dynamics at play and she didn't
00:22:31
forget that she was a prisoner. But in
00:22:33
time, she started to see her kidnappers
00:22:35
as something more and something
00:22:37
different than a group of terrorists,
00:22:40
which is what they were. But there
00:22:42
wasn't a lot else to do other than sit
00:22:43
around and talk. So Patty and the SLA
00:22:46
members, several of them in particular,
00:22:48
would have these long conversations.
00:22:50
They just sit around and talk about all
00:22:52
kinds of [ __ ] And they ended up finding
00:22:54
out that they had a lot more in common
00:22:55
than they originally thought they did. A
00:22:58
lot of these people came from educated
00:23:00
backgrounds. They had interests in art,
00:23:02
in literature, in politics obviously,
00:23:05
and she did too. Not really in politics,
00:23:08
but in like arts and literature.
00:23:09
>> And when you start feeling like you're
00:23:11
connecting on a human level with people,
00:23:14
it's hard to to see anything else
00:23:17
>> and to to see the situation for what it
00:23:20
is.
00:23:20
>> That's the thing, like she's sitting
00:23:22
there genuinely connecting with other
00:23:24
human beings. That's really hard to then
00:23:27
be like, "Oh, wait. These are bad
00:23:28
people.
00:23:28
>> You broke it in the middle of the
00:23:30
night."
00:23:31
carried me away and shoved me in a
00:23:32
trunk.
00:23:32
>> Yeah. And like kept me in a closet for
00:23:34
how long? And it's like you just start
00:23:36
seeing people that you get along with
00:23:38
and that you probably genuinely are
00:23:40
like, "Fuck, we might have hung out like
00:23:42
outside of this whole thing."
00:23:44
>> That must be so weird because I do feel
00:23:45
like whenever we talk about a kidnapping
00:23:47
situation, it's usually a younger person
00:23:50
being kidnapped by like an older person.
00:23:52
In this case,
00:23:53
>> these are her peers.
00:23:54
>> These are her peers. Exactly. And
00:23:56
they're from the same area. They're from
00:23:57
the same background. Now they have the
00:23:59
same interests.
00:24:00
>> That's the thing. Exactly.
00:24:02
>> Yeah.
00:24:02
>> Now sometimes, especially when it came
00:24:05
to Donald Dreeze though, he would kind
00:24:07
of talk at Patty rather than have a
00:24:08
conversation with her. He would just
00:24:10
ramble on about Revolution and the
00:24:11
message and
00:24:13
>> what they had to do and yada yada. But
00:24:15
other times when she was talking to the
00:24:16
other members, like we were just saying,
00:24:17
it felt like she was chatting with her
00:24:19
friends or at the very least just
00:24:21
well-meaning activists.
00:24:22
>> Yeah.
00:24:23
>> And after a while, she realized that it
00:24:25
didn't seem like they actually had any
00:24:26
intention of killing her. and she
00:24:28
thought they genuinely just wanted her
00:24:30
father's money to help the poor.
00:24:32
>> Yeah.
00:24:33
>> So, it wasn't long before she started
00:24:34
gaining a lot of new perspectives on the
00:24:36
world. From the first day she was born,
00:24:38
she had spent every day in luxury. She
00:24:41
really didn't have to struggle for much.
00:24:42
Like, obviously, she had her struggles,
00:24:44
but
00:24:45
>> she could have whatever she wanted in a
00:24:47
material sense.
00:24:48
>> And the people around her at school, at
00:24:50
home, at her father's company, they all
00:24:52
lived similarly to that, too. And even
00:24:55
though a lot of the members of the SLA
00:24:57
had lived, like I've been saying, these
00:24:59
somewhat privileged lives, they still
00:25:01
knew that the same was not true for
00:25:03
everybody. Yeah. Especially when it came
00:25:04
to minorities, to the poor. And they
00:25:07
felt, and oftentimes were correct, that
00:25:09
these people were put down and ignored
00:25:10
by capitalist systems.
00:25:12
>> Yeah.
00:25:13
>> So talks like that made Patty think
00:25:15
about Steve, remember her fiance Steve?
00:25:18
>> Oh, yes.
00:25:18
>> Who she was already initially angry with
00:25:21
on the night of the kidnapping.
00:25:23
>> Yeah. But at one point she told Willie
00:25:25
Wolf that even before the kidnapping she
00:25:28
was thinking of breaking things off with
00:25:29
Steve.
00:25:30
>> Oh damn.
00:25:30
>> Which I do believe because they were
00:25:32
already struggling before they got
00:25:34
engaged.
00:25:34
>> She said she saw him as too rigid, too
00:25:36
proper. It bothered her that he seemed
00:25:39
kind of incapable of just taking things
00:25:41
on as they came and he needed to
00:25:43
schedule everything out. And obviously
00:25:45
there was the night of the kidnapping
00:25:47
when rather than trying to stop them
00:25:49
from taking her, she felt he told them,
00:25:51
"Take anything you want," which kind of
00:25:54
only confirmed her growing feelings of
00:25:56
resentment.
00:25:56
>> Yeah, I could see that.
00:25:58
>> It's a tough situation.
00:25:59
>> I was going to say, and I think maybe he
00:26:01
was being like, "Take anything you want.
00:26:03
Just things
00:26:04
>> things like don't take my fiance."
00:26:07
>> You can't really get mad at him for that
00:26:09
for being like, "Take anything in this
00:26:11
house you want. Just don't hurt her." I
00:26:13
guess also on the other side of it, if I
00:26:15
had spent like a month in a closet after
00:26:16
being kidnapped and like my mans hadn't
00:26:18
really like done a whole lot, I I might
00:26:20
be a little angry.
00:26:20
>> Yeah. You know,
00:26:21
>> I mean, I can't imagine this situation.
00:26:24
So,
00:26:24
>> you're not in your right frame of mind.
00:26:26
I would say
00:26:26
>> definitely not.
00:26:27
>> But unlike her relationship with Steve,
00:26:30
Patty was starting to find it a lot
00:26:32
easier to talk to Willie Wolf. They
00:26:34
would sit around, the two of them, and
00:26:36
chat for hours about everything under
00:26:37
the sun. She learned that just like her,
00:26:41
he came from a wealthy family. He had
00:26:43
actually grown up in like the high
00:26:44
society of Connecticut, which is wild
00:26:46
because now he's literally in a
00:26:48
liberation army.
00:26:49
>> Damn.
00:26:50
>> Yeah. Uh he knew what it was like to go
00:26:52
to boarding schools just like she did.
00:26:54
How hard it was to feel like you could
00:26:56
never meet your parents' expectations.
00:26:58
Like, you know, rich kid problems.
00:27:00
>> And he also shared Patty's love of
00:27:02
animals and being outdoors.
00:27:03
>> A cute.
00:27:04
>> Now, his path to radicalization, which
00:27:07
is kind of fun.
00:27:07
>> Radicalization.
00:27:08
>> I just like that word.
00:27:09
>> The path to radicalization.
00:27:11
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's fun to say. I don't
00:27:13
know why, but his path to radicalization
00:27:15
came in 1973. And that was his first
00:27:18
year of grad school.
00:27:20
>> He accepted a position as a tutor at a
00:27:22
prison, which is where he met Romero and
00:27:24
Little, those two SLA members who were
00:27:27
arrested and serving time in part one.
00:27:30
>> And then they kidnapped Patty and were
00:27:33
demanding Romero and Little's release.
00:27:35
>> Oh, damn.
00:27:35
>> Remember?
00:27:36
>> Yep.
00:27:36
>> So, now we're going back a little bit.
00:27:39
This is where Willie met them. Oh,
00:27:41
>> they were in prison. They got out at a
00:27:43
certain point because they escaped.
00:27:44
Remember?
00:27:44
>> Damn.
00:27:45
>> Yeah.
00:27:45
>> Speaking of prison.
00:27:47
>> Yeah.
00:27:47
>> Um, what am I done? I'm so
00:27:49
>> I'm so sorry. Starting off a
00:27:52
conversation.
00:27:53
>> Speaking of prison with Speaking of
00:27:55
prison is diabolic.
00:27:57
>> I just had to take this little side
00:27:58
tangent cuz you guys will think it's
00:28:00
funny.
00:28:00
>> I love it.
00:28:01
>> Blanch, my dog,
00:28:03
>> is um she's like a counter counter
00:28:06
surfer. She always jumps up to try to
00:28:08
eat food. We cannot get her to stop.
00:28:10
Sydney, she's living her best life,
00:28:11
>> but Blanch just she's a dingus.
00:28:14
>> And so the other day she went to go grab
00:28:16
something off the counter and John just
00:28:18
looked at her and said, cuz she did get
00:28:20
something.
00:28:20
>> She got a whole waffle.
00:28:21
>> She did. She got a whole waffle, but we
00:28:23
got it back. Don't worry. Um like we we
00:28:25
got rid of it. But
00:28:26
>> yeah, she got like a bite.
00:28:27
>> Um but John just looked at her and said,
00:28:29
"Prison,
00:28:30
>> prison."
00:28:30
>> And it was the funniest thing in the
00:28:32
entire world. And now every time she
00:28:33
jumps up, we're just saying prison.
00:28:36
I'm hoping that that will be a command
00:28:37
that makes her stop.
00:28:39
>> Wouldn't it be so funny if what you had
00:28:41
to say to her to get her to get off the
00:28:43
counter was prison prison prison. Now
00:28:46
we're trying it. Prison blanch
00:28:49
>> prison blanch. I witnessed that happen
00:28:51
and I almost cried. I was laughing so
00:28:52
hard.
00:28:53
>> I thought that was a fun little
00:28:54
>> out of absolutely nowhere. John just
00:28:56
goes and he said it so exacerbated just
00:28:58
like
00:28:58
>> prison.
00:28:59
>> He was just like prison Blanch prison.
00:29:03
So yeah, speaking of prison, um they
00:29:05
were in prison and you know Willie was
00:29:07
working there
00:29:08
>> prison
00:29:09
>> and they started to talk to Willie about
00:29:11
you know their message, their views on
00:29:13
politics, the current state of the world
00:29:15
and
00:29:16
>> yada yada yada. They were getting closer
00:29:18
and closer until eventually one day
00:29:20
Willie found himself smuggling in books
00:29:22
about the revolution for them and before
00:29:25
long he was a radicalized full-fledged
00:29:28
member of the SLA.
00:29:29
>> Wow.
00:29:30
>> Yeah. That escalated quickly.
00:29:31
>> Yeah. from from prison tutor to full
00:29:34
>> member of the symbion liberation army.
00:29:38
>> So that's good. So while Patty was
00:29:40
getting to know her captors on a
00:29:41
personal level, her dad was doing an
00:29:43
investigation of his own by holding
00:29:46
regular meetings with Clifford Deathro
00:29:49
Jefferson.
00:29:50
>> Oh, Clifford Death Row Jeff I forgot
00:29:52
about him. Old Death Row.
00:29:53
>> You can't forget about Clifford Death
00:29:55
Row Jefferson.
00:29:55
>> You cannot forget about old death row.
00:29:57
>> And you never you never hear the last of
00:29:59
Death Row Jefferson.
00:30:00
>> Yeah, you never will. So he So I feel so
00:30:04
bad for her father that he's just like a
00:30:06
media magnet like you know and he's just
00:30:09
out here talking to death row Jefferson
00:30:11
>> and other incarcerated SLA members rough
00:30:14
because remember when the SLA was
00:30:15
created they they like reached out to a
00:30:19
lot of imprisoned people and had them
00:30:20
join which was a little little cuck nuts
00:30:23
>> little cuck nuts
00:30:23
>> cuz I don't know how much help they were
00:30:25
going to be I don't know
00:30:26
>> who knows
00:30:27
>> but so now Randolph is just having these
00:30:29
meetings and he thought originally that
00:30:31
Death Row Jefferson was the leader of
00:30:33
the group mostly because Death Row
00:30:35
Jefferson himself also thought that.
00:30:37
>> I was going to say cuz Death Row
00:30:39
Jefferson told him properly.
00:30:41
>> Exactly. So that
00:30:43
>> so Randolph is sitting here like, "Okay,
00:30:44
great. I'm talking to the head guy in
00:30:46
charge like I'm going to I'm going to
00:30:48
get some movement here."
00:30:49
>> Yeah. Who's not going to think that a
00:30:51
guy named Death Row Jefferson is not the
00:30:54
leader of whatever group you're talking
00:30:56
about? If your name is Death Row
00:30:58
Jefferson, I believe you're the leader
00:31:00
of all.
00:31:01
>> Yeah.
00:31:01
>> And I'll I'll assume
00:31:02
>> whatever you tell me you're the leader
00:31:03
of, I'll just probably assume you are.
00:31:05
>> I'll do what I can to to make things
00:31:07
happen, to do your bidding. You know,
00:31:09
it's fine.
00:31:10
>> So, he hoped, Randolph hoped that he
00:31:13
might convince Deathro Jefferson to
00:31:15
demand the release of his daughter.
00:31:17
>> And as a result,
00:31:18
>> the name is just
00:31:19
>> I'm never going to stop saying this
00:31:20
name.
00:31:21
>> It never sounds right.
00:31:22
>> Dave was writing Jefferson in the notes
00:31:24
and I was like, "No, no, no. Jefferson.
00:31:26
So, as a result, Death Row Jefferson,
00:31:28
Little and Romero, uh, and other
00:31:31
incarcerated SLA members started sending
00:31:33
letters to the press indicating that
00:31:35
because Randolph was complying with the
00:31:38
demands, Patty would be released very
00:31:40
soon. And by that point, the
00:31:41
organization that Patty's family had set
00:31:43
up that I was just talking about, PIN,
00:31:45
or People in Need, they made their fifth
00:31:47
and final food dist uh, distribution per
00:31:50
the terms of their agreement. So, one
00:31:52
way or another, the situation had to
00:31:54
come to an end.
00:31:54
>> Yeah. did what they were asked to do.
00:31:56
>> Exactly.
00:31:56
>> They did everything they were asked to
00:31:57
do.
00:31:57
>> They did. They did the impossible.
00:31:59
>> They really did. So, by the beginning of
00:32:01
April, Patty had been in captivity for
00:32:04
almost 2 months at that point. And aside
00:32:06
from just the small number of
00:32:07
recordings, nobody had any idea what she
00:32:10
was going through while she was being
00:32:11
held.
00:32:12
>> No. And they can and her parents can
00:32:13
only think of the worst [ __ ] imaginable.
00:32:16
>> Exactly. But finally, on April 2nd, KSAN
00:32:19
radio in San Francisco got another
00:32:21
communication from the SLA. And this one
00:32:24
had specific details regarding Patty's
00:32:26
release. It was finally happening. The
00:32:29
statement indicated that Patty would be
00:32:31
released from captivity within the next
00:32:32
72 hours. And the letter should have
00:32:35
been a cause for celebration.
00:32:37
But a second communication, this one in
00:32:40
Patty's voice, a recording in Patty's
00:32:42
voice came just one day later. And let's
00:32:45
just say that if there was any
00:32:47
celebration, it was shortlived.
00:32:49
>> Oh no.
00:32:50
So on April 3rd, just one day after the
00:32:52
letter talking all about Patty's
00:32:54
release, KPFA radio got a recording in
00:32:58
Patty's voice. Unlike the other
00:33:00
recordings where she sounded concerned
00:33:02
in the beginning, eventually maybe a
00:33:04
little frustrated,
00:33:06
>> this voice on the recording was
00:33:07
confident and firm and the message was
00:33:10
unexpected and straight up bizarre.
00:33:14
>> Oh boy. She said, "Mom, Dad, tell the
00:33:17
poor and oppressed people of this nation
00:33:18
what the corporate state is about to do.
00:33:21
Warn black and poor people that they are
00:33:22
about to be murdered down to the last
00:33:24
man, woman, and child. Tell the public
00:33:27
that the energy crisis is nothing more
00:33:29
than a means to get public approval for
00:33:31
a massive program to build nuclear power
00:33:33
plants all over the nation. Tell the
00:33:36
people that the entire corporate state
00:33:38
is with the aid of its massive power
00:33:40
supply about to totally automate the
00:33:42
entire industrial state to the point
00:33:44
that in the next 5 years all that will
00:33:46
be needed is a small class of button
00:33:48
pushers. Tell the people dad that the
00:33:51
removal of expendable access, the
00:33:53
removal of unneeded people has already
00:33:55
started. I have been given the choice of
00:33:57
one being released in a safe area or two
00:34:00
joining the forces of the Simbian
00:34:02
Liberation Army and fighting for my
00:34:04
freedom and the freedom of all oppressed
00:34:06
people. I have chosen to stay and to
00:34:08
fight. I have been given the name Tanya
00:34:11
after a comrade who fought alongside
00:34:13
Chay in Bolivia. It is in the spirit of
00:34:15
Tanya that I say patria omeos
00:34:20
which is uh translates to homeland or
00:34:23
death we shall overcome.
00:34:26
Whoa,
00:34:28
that's different.
00:34:29
>> Super duper different.
00:34:31
>> That's different.
00:34:32
>> And not what her parents expected.
00:34:35
>> Imagine being like so excited that you
00:34:37
did all the things and you've been
00:34:39
working so hard for 2 months to get your
00:34:41
child back.
00:34:41
>> I No, that's that's what we really need
00:34:44
to focus on for a second here. 60 days
00:34:47
>> and they were working hard to get her
00:34:50
back
00:34:50
>> and and realizing, okay, because as
00:34:53
every single day went on, okay, she's
00:34:55
and we were getting these tapes, she's
00:34:57
still alive. She's saying they're not
00:34:59
hurting her. We're we're going to get
00:35:00
her back. Maybe we'll get her back. And
00:35:02
then I'm sure they had their bad days
00:35:04
where they thought they would never get
00:35:05
her back. And they go through all of
00:35:07
this emotional turmoil for 60 days. And
00:35:12
they get a communication. She's coming
00:35:14
back. She's going to be released.
00:35:16
Awesome. And then one day later, she has
00:35:21
completely flopped and is joining the
00:35:24
army that
00:35:26
>> that kidnapped her in the middle of the
00:35:27
night.
00:35:28
>> Have no words for it. Like that would
00:35:31
just be
00:35:34
>> how do you
00:35:34
>> shattering?
00:35:35
>> Also, this is the early '7s, so you
00:35:38
weren't just calling up your your
00:35:41
therapist on speed dial.
00:35:42
>> No.
00:35:43
>> How do you cope with that? Like this is
00:35:44
just that's shattering.
00:35:47
>> That's when you literally sit in your
00:35:48
living room and stare at a wall for
00:35:50
seven hours and just think how is my
00:35:52
life come to this
00:35:53
>> truly.
00:35:54
>> How is this my that's one of those
00:35:55
moments you and I were talking about the
00:35:57
other day when you're just like
00:35:59
>> how is this my life?
00:36:00
>> How is this my what? Why is this
00:36:02
happening? Like what's going on?
00:36:03
>> Why?
00:36:04
>> Yeah. Like just like what the I I feel
00:36:06
for her family.
00:36:08
>> Yeah. So for those working the case and
00:36:10
those who had been close to Patty, the
00:36:12
latest recording was just about the last
00:36:14
thing any of those people would have
00:36:16
expected, she obviously had that
00:36:18
rebellious streak in her teen years. And
00:36:20
she loved going against the grain.
00:36:22
>> But this was a lot more serious than
00:36:24
dating an older man or messing around
00:36:27
with the nuns at boarding school.
00:36:28
>> Yeah,
00:36:29
>> the SLA was a known terrorist
00:36:31
organization. And don't forget, they had
00:36:32
murdered one person.
00:36:33
>> That's the thing.
00:36:34
>> And she's saying she's joining forces
00:36:36
with them. understands their message and
00:36:38
wants to be part of it.
00:36:39
>> Like, damn,
00:36:40
>> that's horrifying.
00:36:41
>> Yeah.
00:36:41
>> So, in a statement to the press, Randph
00:36:43
Hurst emphatically stated that he and
00:36:46
his wife did not believe Patty had
00:36:47
joined the group willingly. He said,
00:36:49
"We've had her for 20 years. They've had
00:36:52
her 60 days, and I don't believe she's
00:36:54
going to change her philosophy that
00:36:56
quickly and that permanently, and I'll
00:36:58
never believe it until she comes to me
00:37:00
or her mother and is free to talk
00:37:02
without any interference whatsoever." At
00:37:05
that time, if her choice is to become a
00:37:07
member of an organization like this, we
00:37:09
will still love her and she's free to do
00:37:11
whatever she wants.
00:37:12
>> I mean, that's some parent [ __ ] right
00:37:14
there.
00:37:14
>> That's some [ __ ] dad.
00:37:16
>> That's on some dad [ __ ]
00:37:18
>> Just being like, I just want her to walk
00:37:20
up to me and tell me with no
00:37:21
interference and then I will still love
00:37:23
her
00:37:24
>> and I will free to do what she want.
00:37:26
She's an adult. I love her.
00:37:28
>> Like, like, wow.
00:37:29
>> Wow.
00:37:30
>> That's
00:37:30
>> Wow. Wow.
00:37:31
>> That's That man loves his daughter. Wow.
00:37:34
Whoa. Yeah. So, obviously in the 50
00:37:37
years since Patty's abduction, mental
00:37:39
health professionals and law enforcement
00:37:41
have come a long way, and we've learned
00:37:43
a lot about how a person can basically
00:37:45
end up brainwashed in a pretty short
00:37:47
amount of time.
00:37:48
>> Oh, yeah. Radicalization can happen
00:37:50
pretty [ __ ] quick if it's intense
00:37:52
enough. And you know I she's sitting in
00:37:55
a closet for a month and then she's
00:37:57
around all of these people who are her
00:38:00
and she has she's not talking to any
00:38:02
outside forces and it's just 24/7
00:38:05
>> echo chamber of what they want her to
00:38:06
hear.
00:38:07
>> Mhm.
00:38:07
>> And they're like endearing themselves to
00:38:10
her.
00:38:11
>> Yeah.
00:38:11
>> Get getting on a level talking about
00:38:13
literature and art with her. That's
00:38:15
really going to cement it right there.
00:38:17
>> Absolutely. So now we know that she was
00:38:21
most likely brainwashed, but in 1974,
00:38:24
the idea that in just 2 months somebody
00:38:26
could trade in their own beliefs and
00:38:28
morality and join in on a terrorist
00:38:30
organization seemed impossible. People
00:38:32
were like, "What?" Like, "No,
00:38:34
>> no, of course not."
00:38:35
>> Yeah. Patty clearly stated in her
00:38:37
message, though, she said, "I have never
00:38:39
been forced to say anything on tape, nor
00:38:41
have I been brainwashed, drugged,
00:38:42
tortured, hypnotized, or in any way
00:38:44
confused. It's me the way I want it, the
00:38:47
way I see it.
00:38:48
>> I mean, like, that's not all true. You
00:38:50
were held in a closet for a little
00:38:53
while.
00:38:53
>> Yeah, exactly. I would
00:38:54
>> I don't think we should say that it was
00:38:56
It's all been great.
00:38:57
>> And I would probably think that you were
00:38:59
confused when you first
00:39:00
>> I would say that's pretty confusing.
00:39:02
Yeah,
00:39:02
>> especially since they were keeping a
00:39:04
blindfold. Exactly.
00:39:05
>> And not letting you see where you were
00:39:07
talking to
00:39:07
>> held in near total darkness for um a
00:39:10
long number of days.
00:39:12
>> That's pretty confusing.
00:39:13
>> Yeah. and torturous I would think
00:39:15
>> in my book. Yeah, everybody has
00:39:17
different books.
00:39:18
>> Yeah.
00:39:18
>> Um I think you and I seem to have
00:39:20
similar books.
00:39:20
>> Yeah, we have similar books, I think.
00:39:21
>> So, we can agree on that.
00:39:22
>> But you can absolutely have your own
00:39:24
book.
00:39:24
>> I think her book might have been
00:39:25
different back then. I also think she
00:39:27
was brainwashed. Yeah,
00:39:28
>> personally.
00:39:29
>> But the Hurst and the FBI were
00:39:30
convinced, much like myself, that Patty
00:39:32
had been brainwashed into adopting the
00:39:34
SLA's mission statement and that once
00:39:36
she was free from their grip, she could
00:39:37
finally realize the error of her ways.
00:39:40
But it would probably take some time.
00:39:43
>> If you know anything about this story,
00:39:44
that's super duper correct.
00:39:46
>> Yeah. So, so astutally, you know.
00:39:48
>> Yeah.
00:39:50
>> So, you don't just snap out of that.
00:39:53
>> She sure didn't. And we're going to talk
00:39:55
about that still. We're not done yet.
00:39:57
>> We're not done.
00:39:58
>> So, it wasn't just the family and just
00:40:00
the investigators that were very much
00:40:02
caught off guard by Patty's statement
00:40:03
and her quote unquote decision to join
00:40:05
the SLA. Her friends and her fiance. Oh
00:40:09
yeah.
00:40:09
>> Also uh pretty shocked at the news of
00:40:12
Tanya.
00:40:13
>> Yeah. I mean that would be shocking.
00:40:15
>> You know her new found personality and
00:40:16
and you know self.
00:40:18
>> Yeah.
00:40:18
>> According to friends up until her
00:40:20
kidnapping Patty quote would have been
00:40:22
totally bored by something like the SLA.
00:40:25
>> Totally bored. They said she quote
00:40:28
intensely disliked rhetoric and
00:40:29
stridency especially in women and had no
00:40:32
sympathy for true believers.
00:40:33
>> Oh my god that's actually funny.
00:40:35
>> I just picture Emily Gilmore.
00:40:37
>> What? Yeah. That really
00:40:38
>> like just like shut up. Don't radicalize
00:40:40
me.
00:40:40
>> I'm bored by that. [ __ ] that. Don't
00:40:42
radicalize me.
00:40:44
>> Gross.
00:40:44
>> Ew. I I dislike especially.
00:40:47
>> I have no sympathy for that.
00:40:48
>> Yeah. But in fact, as far as her friends
00:40:50
and her fiance knew, she didn't even
00:40:52
read the newspaper and wasn't even
00:40:54
particularly interested in politics at
00:40:56
all. Especially not the the politics of
00:40:58
Bolivia and Cuba,
00:41:00
>> which also makes her a perfect subject
00:41:03
for radicalization. She's got nothing.
00:41:05
>> She is uninformed as [ __ ] And when
00:41:08
someone has nothing, no foundation for
00:41:12
something, you get to build the
00:41:14
foundation and then you get to build the
00:41:16
whole house. And do you know how hard it
00:41:18
is to knock down a house and the
00:41:20
foundation?
00:41:20
>> Well, and you also build it with shock
00:41:23
and awe and that's how you get somebody
00:41:26
to tell them all these big scary things.
00:41:28
>> You build that foundation strong.
00:41:30
>> Yeah. Exactly. And that's why we should
00:41:32
all be educated in politics. Just
00:41:35
saying.
00:41:36
>> So years later when she published her
00:41:38
own account of the abduction and the and
00:41:39
her time spent in captivity, Patty
00:41:42
detailed her full experience and it put
00:41:44
a lot of things into context and it put
00:41:46
her actions in a very different light.
00:41:49
In addition to the long conversations
00:41:51
where she learned about and, you know,
00:41:53
occasionally absorbed the SLA's
00:41:55
philosophies, there were other terrible,
00:41:58
awful things that she went through
00:41:59
during her time there, including coerced
00:42:02
or forced sex, aka rape, with at least
00:42:06
two of the men in the group.
00:42:07
>> Yeah, that paints it differently.
00:42:09
>> Exactly. She had countless menacing
00:42:11
interactions with Donald, which I can
00:42:13
only imagine were beyond terrifying. But
00:42:17
at that time, all the press and the
00:42:19
public had to go by was what Patty and
00:42:22
the others were saying in their
00:42:23
communications. And those statements at
00:42:25
that time were pretty direct because she
00:42:27
had been brainwashed.
00:42:28
>> Yeah.
00:42:29
>> Whether anybody believed that she was
00:42:31
being held against her will or not, she
00:42:33
wasn't captive at this point. And by
00:42:34
midappril, there wouldn't be much room
00:42:36
left to doubt that. On the morning of
00:42:39
April 15th, Vincent Gley, a security
00:42:42
officer at a bank in San Francisco, had
00:42:44
just unlocked the doors to the bank for
00:42:46
the day, and he never even took notice
00:42:49
of the small group of hippies standing
00:42:51
around their car across the street.
00:42:53
>> Oh no.
00:42:54
>> It was only about 45 minutes later that
00:42:56
he saw them as Donald Dreeze, Patty
00:42:59
Hurst, Nancy Ling, Patricia Sultic, and
00:43:03
Camila Hall rushed into the bank with
00:43:05
guns drawn. So now she she's just she's
00:43:09
in it.
00:43:09
>> She's in it. Defreeze pointed his gun
00:43:12
around the room and at all 18 members in
00:43:14
the branch while he yelled to them,
00:43:16
"This is a holdup. The first
00:43:18
[ __ ] who don't lay down on the
00:43:19
floor gets shot in the head."
00:43:21
>> Holy [ __ ]
00:43:22
>> Yeah. Obviously not wanting to get hurt,
00:43:24
all the employees hit the [ __ ] deck.
00:43:26
>> Yeah.
00:43:26
>> And laid face down. But upstairs on the
00:43:29
second floor, the bank manager, Jim
00:43:31
Smith, was there and he heard all this
00:43:33
[ __ ] wild ass noise. So he flipped on
00:43:35
the switch that turned the security
00:43:37
cameras on.
00:43:38
>> That's where you get those uh those
00:43:40
pictures.
00:43:40
>> Yeah. Google Patty.
00:43:42
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know.
00:43:43
>> Yeah.
00:43:43
>> So with Nancy Ling and Patty Hurst
00:43:45
controlling the crowd, the others jumped
00:43:47
the counter and started filling their
00:43:49
bags with cash from the drawers. Just
00:43:51
when they thought they had everything
00:43:52
under control though, two new customers
00:43:55
entered the bank completely unaware of
00:43:57
what was going on. Caught off guard by
00:44:00
their arrival, Nancy Ling swung around
00:44:02
and just fired wildly in their
00:44:04
direction.
00:44:05
>> The [ __ ]
00:44:05
>> She hit one of the man one of the men in
00:44:07
the hand and the other in his rear.
00:44:10
>> Oh my god.
00:44:12
>> And sent them scurrying back out the
00:44:14
door toward the sidewalk.
00:44:15
>> They just come into the bank.
00:44:16
>> Yeah. So, they just she just shot two
00:44:17
people.
00:44:18
>> Cool.
00:44:19
Despite NY's panic and wildfiring
00:44:21
though, Patty seemed to be exhilarated
00:44:24
by the experience and was literally
00:44:27
wielding a machine gun in full view of
00:44:29
the security camera, which like you just
00:44:31
said,
00:44:32
>> that single now iconic image of Patty
00:44:35
carrying a machine gun would come to
00:44:37
represent the entire story.
00:44:39
>> Yeah.
00:44:39
>> In the minds of America for decades to
00:44:42
come, even now, people look at that and
00:44:44
are like,
00:44:45
>> "That's it."
00:44:46
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, definitely Google that
00:44:49
picture if you haven't seen it. It's
00:44:50
insane. So, after cleaning out the
00:44:53
drawers of cash, um, which back then
00:44:55
was, uh, $10,660
00:44:57
in total, the group made their way
00:44:59
toward the door with Patty shouting,
00:45:01
"This is Tanya, Patty Hurst." as they
00:45:04
rushed outside of the bank.
00:45:05
>> That's just dumb.
00:45:06
>> Yeah.
00:45:07
>> Like, I I got to be real with you. I'd
00:45:08
be like, "Well, that was stupid. That
00:45:10
was a dumb way to end it."
00:45:11
>> It was super dumb. Outside, four other
00:45:14
SLA members were waiting in the car.
00:45:15
They all piled in and they fled the
00:45:17
scene back in the direction of their
00:45:18
safe house. Later that afternoon, the
00:45:21
press broke the story of the bank
00:45:22
robbery obviously, but there was no
00:45:24
mention of Patty just yet. Instead,
00:45:27
police focused on the organization and
00:45:29
the professionalism of the robbers and
00:45:31
all that. But the next morning, more
00:45:34
news reports of the robbery started
00:45:35
hitting. And this time, there wasn't a
00:45:38
lot of attempt to minimize Patty's
00:45:40
involvement and the likely motive behind
00:45:42
the robbery. Captain Mortimer Mckenry.
00:45:47
>> Yeah.
00:45:47
>> Everybody say that with me. One, two,
00:45:49
three. Mortimer McKinley.
00:45:52
>> Yes. Correct.
00:45:54
>> All his only choice in life was to
00:45:57
become a police captain.
00:45:58
>> Yeah. Or the president of the United
00:45:59
States.
00:46:00
>> Something very uh impressive.
00:46:01
>> Mortimer is a great name.
00:46:04
>> It also makes me think of Tinsley
00:46:05
Mortimer.
00:46:06
>> There you go. Another important
00:46:08
character.
00:46:09
>> It's two ends of the spectrum.
00:46:10
>> Yeah, it is. So anyway, Mortimer Mckenry
00:46:13
told the press, "We are discussing the
00:46:14
possibility very thoroughly that this
00:46:16
was a stage job to show off Patty Hurst
00:46:18
as a member of their ranks."
00:46:20
>> No, that makes sense.
00:46:21
>> Which like
00:46:23
>> I I can understand like why they would
00:46:25
think that.
00:46:25
>> Yeah. I It probably was Yeah.
00:46:28
>> a good amount of the motive.
00:46:29
>> Like I Why would they put her in that if
00:46:32
they didn't want to show her off?
00:46:33
>> Exactly. You know, and why And also why
00:46:35
would she scream
00:46:36
>> I was just going to say
00:46:36
>> it was me, Patty Hurst. Y'all
00:46:38
>> what up y'all? Patty Hurst. Anya in the
00:46:41
house and then she just leaves.
00:46:42
>> We got Patty Hurst on the track. Forget
00:46:45
London.
00:46:46
>> Dude, that just makes me think of I can
00:46:49
always bring it back to TV uh or parks
00:46:52
and wreck when the um DJ blunts
00:46:54
>> and he's like Tom Hammerford is in the
00:46:57
building.
00:46:59
>> Patty Hurst is in the building now.
00:47:02
She's leaving.
00:47:03
>> That's what it felt like.
00:47:05
>> That's what I was like, that's dumb. No,
00:47:07
it really was.
00:47:07
>> Like, not dumb as in like, oh no, you're
00:47:09
going to get caught. It's like, no, it's
00:47:10
just dumb.
00:47:11
>> It's just a dumb thing to say. Like,
00:47:12
stop it.
00:47:13
>> Like, hey, so I hate that.
00:47:14
>> It's tom foolery.
00:47:16
>> It is.
00:47:16
>> It's buffoonery.
00:47:17
>> Nonsense.
00:47:19
>> Ridiculousness.
00:47:20
>> Ridiculous.
00:47:21
>> So, investigators were willing to
00:47:22
acknowledge that Patty was in the bank
00:47:24
at the time of the robbery, but they
00:47:26
still weren't willing to rule out the
00:47:28
possibility that she still might have
00:47:30
been there against her will. And to back
00:47:32
that up, it's a good point. An FBI agent
00:47:34
pointed out that in the security camera
00:47:36
footage, there's somebody right behind
00:47:38
her holding a gun. There sure is.
00:47:40
>> So, it's like like they've cropped. A
00:47:42
lot of times you'll see that cropped
00:47:43
photo of just her.
00:47:44
>> Yeah.
00:47:45
>> Standing there. Right behind her in the
00:47:47
full picture is a person in full get up
00:47:50
wearing a using a gun.
00:47:51
>> And I'm pretty sure that's actually
00:47:52
Donald Def.
00:47:53
>> So, it's like
00:47:54
>> So, the leader of the SLA.
00:47:55
>> Yeah. And the one that like scared the
00:47:57
[ __ ] out of her the most.
00:47:58
>> Exactly. So,
00:47:59
>> so, but regardless, US Attorney James
00:48:01
Browning told the press, "If she was
00:48:03
involved and the investigation shows
00:48:05
that, we're going to charge her as a
00:48:06
bank robber."
00:48:07
>> I mean, yeah.
00:48:08
>> Which, yeah, you were there,
00:48:09
>> of course.
00:48:09
>> So, until that point, the only evidence
00:48:11
that anybody had that Patty joined the
00:48:13
SLA was her own voice on those
00:48:14
recordings indicating as much. But the
00:48:16
camera footage from the bank was
00:48:18
starting to make things harder for her
00:48:20
friends and family. Yeah. Even they were
00:48:22
starting to wonder if she had really
00:48:24
ingratiated herself into a terroristic
00:48:26
group or a terrorist group, excuse me.
00:48:29
Randph Hurst said, "It's something that
00:48:30
I think is one of the most vicious
00:48:32
things I have ever seen or ever had
00:48:34
happen to me."
00:48:35
>> Damn.
00:48:36
>> Like that's so gut-wrenching.
00:48:39
>> Imagine, and again, like we're going to
00:48:40
go through this. Your daughter's been
00:48:42
held captive for 60 days. You think
00:48:44
you're getting her back. She says, "Nah,
00:48:46
I've joined this army. My name's Tanya
00:48:48
now." And then you see her holding a
00:48:52
[ __ ] machine gun in the middle in
00:48:55
full like revolutionary garb
00:48:59
>> holding up a bank.
00:49:01
>> Yeah. And then she leaves being like
00:49:03
>> screaming proudly that she's Tanya.
00:49:05
>> DJ Blunts is in the building. Like
00:49:07
that's
00:49:07
>> direct quote. Like for the way he said
00:49:10
that for him to say like I think it's
00:49:12
one of the most vicious things I have
00:49:13
ever seen or ever had happen to me. Like
00:49:16
that is like seeing your child like
00:49:19
that.
00:49:19
>> Yeah.
00:49:20
>> After you've been trying so hard for
00:49:23
months and like just devastated that
00:49:25
they've been kidnapped.
00:49:27
>> Yeah.
00:49:27
>> Wondering what they're going through
00:49:28
trying to get them back and then you see
00:49:30
them like that. That must just be like
00:49:33
>> what do you even do?
00:49:34
>> Because that's how you grieve that.
00:49:35
>> Well, that's the thing. It's like you
00:49:37
think of two possible outcomes when I'm
00:49:40
sure you're like I'm sure you think of
00:49:41
two possible outcomes when your kid is
00:49:42
kidnapped. One, you're going to get them
00:49:44
back hopefully. Or two, unfortunately,
00:49:47
they will be killed.
00:49:48
>> Yeah.
00:49:48
>> You never have it on your [ __ ] bingo
00:49:50
card that they're going to join a
00:49:53
terrorist organization
00:49:54
>> technically.
00:49:55
>> They'll be free, quote unquote, but be
00:49:58
become a part of this horrible thing.
00:50:00
>> Yeah. Like be indoctrinated into this
00:50:02
awful situation.
00:50:03
>> I'm sure nobody ever saw that coming.
00:50:05
>> No. But in the days that followed, the
00:50:07
FBI released wanted posters featuring
00:50:09
photos of everybody who was involved in
00:50:11
the in the bank robbery. But they were
00:50:13
clear that unlike the others who were
00:50:15
wanted for armed robbery, Patty was
00:50:17
simply considered a material witness at
00:50:19
that time.
00:50:20
>> Between the news of the robbery, though,
00:50:22
and the circulation of the posters, the
00:50:24
public was starting to question the
00:50:26
official narrative that Patty had been
00:50:27
brainwashed and was being held against
00:50:30
her will.
00:50:30
>> Yeah, I I get why it's a little hard to
00:50:34
>> Yeah. You see somebody holding a machine
00:50:36
gun in in the middle of a bank robbery.
00:50:38
Absolutely. And remember that's not
00:50:41
really something people were seeing all
00:50:42
the time back then.
00:50:43
>> Exactly.
00:50:44
>> So on April 20 honestly that's not
00:50:46
really something we see all the time
00:50:48
now.
00:50:48
>> Yeah. Not bank robberies.
00:50:50
>> Well being kidnapped.
00:50:52
>> No we don't see that a lot.
00:50:53
>> Joining in on
00:50:54
>> No
00:50:55
>> terrorist organizations like that's not
00:50:57
common.
00:50:57
>> No for sure.
00:50:58
>> No. I think we can all say that with
00:51:00
Gustau. So on April 24th, Patty herself
00:51:04
chimed in on the question of her
00:51:05
particip participation.
00:51:06
>> Patricia pressure
00:51:07
>> of her participation in the activities
00:51:09
and yet another recording.
00:51:11
>> What did she have to say about her
00:51:12
participation?
00:51:13
>> Her participation. Oh, she said about my
00:51:15
participation.
00:51:16
>> About my participation.
00:51:17
>> She's a great people. This is Tanya. On
00:51:20
April 15th, my comrades and I
00:51:22
expropriated.
00:51:23
>> It's the comrades for me.
00:51:25
>> One thing one thing about me is that I
00:51:27
just think the word comrades is wild.
00:51:29
It's well that's it's the comrades for
00:51:31
me that I'm like comrades
00:51:33
>> like what's going on
00:51:34
>> friends loved ones on a guest comrades
00:51:36
>> like when she said like a former comrade
00:51:38
I was like oh no where are we
00:51:40
>> cuz she's using it in like the soldier
00:51:42
term
00:51:42
>> yeah it's not not feeling great
00:51:45
>> not like my my good girl J
00:51:46
>> my camaraderie like Sabrina Carpenter
00:51:49
>> yes you know
00:51:50
>> exactly
00:51:51
so she anyway she said on April 15th my
00:51:54
comrades and I expropriated $10,6602
00:51:58
two cents from the Sunset branch of
00:52:00
Hibernia Bank. I was positioned so that
00:52:03
I could hold the customers and bank
00:52:04
personnel who were on the floor. My gun
00:52:06
was loaded and at no time did any of my
00:52:09
comrades intentionally point their guns
00:52:10
at me. I am obviously alive as and well.
00:52:14
As for being brainwashed, the idea is
00:52:16
ridiculous to the point of being beyond
00:52:18
belief to the It's really not.
00:52:20
>> I don't know about that.
00:52:20
>> To those people who still believe that I
00:52:22
am brainwashed or dead, I see no reason
00:52:25
to further defend my position. I am a
00:52:27
soldier in the people's army. Patria
00:52:30
Omeeramos,
00:52:31
which is the whole thing that she said
00:52:33
earlier.
00:52:34
>> And then she said
00:52:36
>> Patty Hurst is leaving the build. She
00:52:38
said DJ blunts on the track.
00:52:41
>> It's never going to get old.
00:52:42
>> It's not. Now, so even still with that,
00:52:46
there was still debate about whether or
00:52:47
not she was willing to be part of this
00:52:50
because it this is a multi-layered onion
00:52:53
here that I don't think will ever really
00:52:55
be understood because it's like
00:52:57
>> you can be brainwashed and still believe
00:53:02
>> that you're not
00:53:02
>> in the brainwashing. Like you can still
00:53:04
believe in like that's kind of what
00:53:07
brainwashing is all about is making you
00:53:10
believe that you believe the things that
00:53:12
they want you to believe which is
00:53:13
brainwashing.
00:53:14
>> It's a cult. Look at that.
00:53:15
>> So it's all a vicious cycle.
00:53:18
>> Yeah.
00:53:18
>> Of like
00:53:19
>> Yeah. She could be brainwashed and
00:53:23
acting completely outside of herself or
00:53:26
she's brainw she could be brainwashed
00:53:27
and acting willfully because she
00:53:30
believes the things she's been
00:53:31
brainwashed by.
00:53:32
>> Exactly. So there's so many different
00:53:34
levels here.
00:53:36
>> It really is an onion
00:53:37
>> that it's like it's this is by no means
00:53:40
in my personal opinion a black and white
00:53:42
>> no
00:53:43
>> situation that we can just be like nope
00:53:45
she was acting like this and that's why
00:53:47
like
00:53:48
>> I think there's so many things going on
00:53:50
here
00:53:51
>> to bring it back to the early days of
00:53:52
morbid. It's an evil onion.
00:53:54
>> It is an evil onion. This one's most
00:53:57
evil onions.
00:53:57
>> It's a very evil onion. So yeah, like
00:54:01
people were like, I don't know what's
00:54:02
going on here. Brainwashed, no valid.
00:54:04
Brainwashed, yes. Brainwashed,
00:54:05
brainwashed. I don't know. But her
00:54:07
parents were still unconvinced. And they
00:54:09
argued that she was suffering the
00:54:10
effects of quote prolonged stress,
00:54:12
fatigue, and demoralization, which
00:54:14
>> which I think they are very valid in
00:54:15
that.
00:54:15
>> And also, they know their daughter.
00:54:17
That's the thing. And also, yeah,
00:54:19
prolonged stress, lack of sleep, and
00:54:22
demoralization, being held in a closet,
00:54:25
being raped, that'll do it. Yeah.
00:54:27
>> So, it's like they are 100%
00:54:30
correct in that assertion.
00:54:31
>> Mhm.
00:54:32
>> But by MidMay, there would no longer be
00:54:35
any doubt. And that we're going to talk
00:54:38
about in part three.
00:54:39
>> [ __ ] We're going to talk about the
00:54:40
events of Midmay and part three. This is
00:54:43
a very interesting case. I knew the name
00:54:46
Patty Hurst. I knew I knew the general
00:54:49
like idea that there's like a Stockholm
00:54:51
cinder kind of vibe to this.
00:54:52
>> I didn't know all the details.
00:54:53
>> I had no idea. I had never read further
00:54:56
into it. So,
00:54:57
>> I hadn't either.
00:54:58
>> I'm now admonishing myself for not
00:55:00
breathing further into it, but
00:55:01
>> Well, don't because here
00:55:03
>> too interesting. I know. I'm finding it
00:55:04
out in the best way possible. So,
00:55:06
>> oh my god, I love that.
00:55:08
>> This is very interesting.
00:55:10
>> It really is.
00:55:11
>> And wow, I can't wait to see what
00:55:13
happens next.
00:55:14
>> Stay tuned for part three. Go get your
00:55:17
tickets for
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00:55:23
to work on those. Go get the the butcher
00:55:26
game. It's out now.
00:55:27
>> You can put it in your pocket.
00:55:29
>> You can. I demonstrated. So,
00:55:31
>> she literally did if it's pretty great.
00:55:32
>> She put it in her pants. You should put
00:55:34
it in your pockets. But
00:55:35
>> yeah, you you'll want to keep up with
00:55:37
the story because
00:55:38
>> you know, you just do. You want to keep
00:55:40
up with that story.
00:55:41
>> You know that um Tik Tok t You know that
00:55:45
Tik Tok trend right now that everybody's
00:55:47
like, "Why do you write like you're
00:55:48
running out of time?" Alina writes like
00:55:51
she's running out of time.
00:55:52
>> That we need to do that trend.
00:55:53
>> I I'd like to. You could be Alexander
00:55:55
Hamilton.
00:55:55
>> Yeah.
00:55:56
>> I'll be Eliza.
00:55:57
>> Eliza.
00:55:59
>> Okay. So, we hope you keep listening
00:56:01
>> and we hope you
00:56:02
>> keep it weird.
00:56:04
>> Keep it as weird as us. We're so weird.
00:56:06
>> Yeah,
00:56:06
>> we're so weird.
00:56:07
>> We're so weird.
00:56:08
>> We're so random.
00:56:10
Bye-bye.
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