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hey weirdos I'm Ash I'm Elena and I am Tobias and this is a very special episode of morbid
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[Music] this is a very special episode of morbid that we have been lightly teasing for a
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few weeks I'm sure everybody's like what the [ __ ] is going on who is coming on
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this show lightly uh today we have prolific songwriter and Storyteller with 10 billion streams which is astronomical
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five Grammy nominations American Music Awards iHeart Radio Music Awards and a vast Congregation of very devout fans we
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have Tobias Forge from Ghost welcome to morbid thank you so much much you're making me blush here that's the plan
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right out the gate thank you so much for talking to us this is awesome um you've
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had you just came off of really in the last few months an epic tour I would say is the the least way we can describe it
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it was basically two years yeah yeah I guess I guess it's stretched over two years I I don't remember exactly but but
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something like that yeah it's insane you also just put out the highest grossing Hard Rock Cinema event North America no
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big deal casual yeah very casual uh you've gone on kind of like a media sabatical in between and you've written
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an entire album um and you also collaborated with Darkhorse Comics to expand the whole ghost lore with a four
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issue comic book Arc which is really cool are you a vampire is our first question or do you sleep considering the
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fatigue I feel I'm apparently not no no let's put it this way I mean in last year when I was work on on the record
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simultaneous with the film there were there were definitely moments where I felt like clear signs that big Endeavors
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like that are better handled singularly I don't whatever you call it you do one thing at a time it's it's very hard to
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keep Focus somehow I managed to do that but it's it was definitely hard you know
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the good thing about the film was that a large part of it was based on footage that we'd already you know secured that
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that we'd already shot in in La so that was you know a a good Lion Share of uh the content if you will you know
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sometimes with making records or making making films you just have to stay on script you just you just do what we
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decided my problem is that I don't really I don't really work like that I'm I'm I'm sort of off the cuff do
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improvising stuff and so it any project will demand a lot of my mental presence and acut which is uh fun when you've
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done it but it can be really tiresome and I've definitely sort of uh not to be agist here but I but I'm sort of
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approaching that age when I I start feeling a little bit of uh results when things get a little bit too much so that
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makes sense yeah but you know obviously it wasn't too much because I'm here now yeah you're doing okay I feel like it's
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working out yeah you know I feel about that I lit if I do two book signings in like a week I'm like toast for three
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weeks so I have no idea how you did two full years of a tour and did all the things you did afterwards I would be
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gone yeah I don't know what to answer that I mean but it's also the good thing this is the the weird thing about my my
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job compared to um you know friends that I have that make films or or friends that I have that are just writing songs
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all the time that might not have much of an artistic career but more just like writing and is that they just go from
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one creative to another and even though I'm you know constantly creating to a certain degree I also flip-flop between
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a creative period to uh a less creative period that is the tour where you you you're creative in the
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beginning but it is actually more of a dare I say more of like a normal job in the you you show up in time and you
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do your job and then you're done yeah right the creative work is done job is like never to make the thing always what
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it's like the creative part is like I have to make this whole thing and then that's just like all right let's go
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through the we got to do it now yeah that makes sense yeah well before we get to we're going to go fully into what is
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next for ghost what has happened I had one quick little side quest I needed to take you on before we get into it mhm I
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don't know if you have heard but they think that they have named Jack the Ripper MH and I need to know if you
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think that they named Jack the Ripper tell tell me his name so you haven't they think it's Aaron cossky okay
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no they I don't know if you've ever because I know you're like you're into the case you've researched the case
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obviously yes have you heard of like the Katherine Edo Shaw that they claim was at the crime
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yes I I know that there there is a uh there is a DNA question mark on that yeah that's a huge they for some reason
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it's been everywhere that they are 100% sure that this Shaw is led to the identity and they think it's Aaron
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cossky and the reason I bring this up is because a lot of our listeners we did like a four episode you know deep deep
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dive into Jack the Ripper and I think I did it was like my I couldn't stop researching it so of course I've been
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asked a million times what I think of this whole thing thing if they've really named him and it's
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infuriating not people asking me but the fact that they're saying that this is 100% Jack the Ripper but I needed to
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know if you had heard about it and if you were like oh yeah it's Aaron kosminsky or if you were like
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[Music] no all right so I'm going to let Tobias finish in a second I promise but before
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I do that I just need to let you guys know that we had very limited time with Tobias this time around uh so I really
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wanted to make sure that you guys heard my feelings on Jack the Ripper and I didn't want to just like vomit them all
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over Tobias and use up all our time so here's the thing I don't think they have found Jack the Ripper not one part of me
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thinks it in fact um there's many reasons for that the fact that this has been a thing that comes around every few
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years is a big red flag to me and it's the same person bringing around every few years and not really updating any of
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the actual info uh that sh that they're claiming they have this DNA from is a Shaw that they're claiming is found was
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found at Katherine Edo's crime scene um one they have no way of knowing that the
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only way of knowing that would be if it was among the exhaustive list of her items that were found at um on and
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around her at the crime scene that is well documented and it is nowhere there is nowhere that says there is like an 8T
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long really expensive Shaw that might actually even be a table runner found on her person nowhere
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so if we don't have that then how do we know that this thing is hers and how do we know that it was found at the crime
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scene here's your answer we don't so there's a big giant hole of doubt that has already been thrust through this
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entire thing uh I don't think it was found at the crime scene I think she would have sold it at one point I don't
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think she would have held on to that kind of Shaw I mean there's all kinds of stories of her selling you know shoes
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earlier in the day and selling anything that was on her uh just doesn't make sense to me I don't I don't buy that one
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at all furthermore the story of this whole thing is that uh Sergeant Amos Simpson was the one who was said to have
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taken this Shaw from the crime scene a supposed blood soaked Shaw he took from the crime scene one that would have been
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a immense risk to do that and two I think we all need to remember what I said a thousand times during our Jack
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the Ripper series we can't really comprehend how dark these crime scenes were there was no light we're going by
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candlelight you're telling me that this man plucked a blood soaked Shaw from a crime scene and just brought it home for
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his wife I don't buy that also there's the fact that Amos Simpson was a Metro cop he was a metropolitan police officer
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miter Square where Katherine edos was found that is London PD jurisdiction he has no business being there and even if
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he is there he has no business at that crime scene so that gives me pause the DNA the DNA
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we don't even know what it is it might be blood it might be semen they have no definitive answer for that so that 100%
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match I don't believe they don't even know what the actual DNA source is for this and also there is no evidence of
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him leaving Seaman at scenes of course he can depart from his pattern of course that's happened before I am fully
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willing to admit that and I'm willing to accept that if there's other pieces of evidence along with it but the fact that
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he never did this and there was never evidence of any classic sexual assault or rape at any of these scenes it was
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really violence and mutilation it doesn't really fit with the pattern and once again I'm willing
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to admit that a pattern can be broken if you give me other evidence to tell me that that's so I just don't see it here
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the DNA itself it's mitochondrial DNA that's what they're not telling you in any of these things this is not straight
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up DNA this is mitochondrial DNA it can eliminate a suspect but it cannot identify a suspect absolute anyone in
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the maternal line of this DNA match can also be the person this is can be thousands of people thousands of people
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in London can match this DNA so that's not good enough for me that's not identifying that is you can eliminate
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and also just to put a pin on this the researcher who has put this forward is Russell Edwards uh he doesn't have a
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track record that I'm willing to follow here really um I'm I will of course give
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benefit of the doubt if he can provide more evidence but he also claimed once and so did his team that they found um a
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victim of Ian Brady and Myra Henley that has been missing for decades and decades
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Keith Bennett uh and his family has been looking for his body on those Mor forever and hoping to find his body on
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those Moors and it was really [ __ ] up that his team basically announced on social media that they had found Keith
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Bennett and they hadn't uh so that upsets me that makes me question it of course one massive Monumental mistake
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doesn't mean that you can never do anything good in your life so if he can provide more evidence that says this is
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a 100% DNA match which I don't believe he can that I'm willing to listen to it but no Aaron kosminsky is not Jack the
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Ripper M drop I am very interested in the subject and um I I definitely don't think it there
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is ksky no okay I'm glad you agree because it's been driving me insane yeah Alena's been going down Rabbit Hole
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after Rabbit Hole every once in a while I'll just yell out like another thing that makes like doesn't make sense about
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this but everybody's running with it but that is my official statement right here
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and Tobias Forge agrees it is not Aaron kinsky well yeah as I I think I spoke about
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this last time as well is that uh the problem with most uh most of the um names that been that's been thrown
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around is that what they all have in common is that they somehow have some exotic or you know weird treat that
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makes them um eccentric or typically weird it's interesting how in this case especially now when we know so much more
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about serial cures um I don't blame people back then to be sort of dumpf and sort of screwing
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up everything when it came to the uh to the investigation but it's interesting how we now have a tendency to to believe
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that this case is so different from every other serial killer in the history of serial
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killers we know now that serial killers are not ex necessarily an eccentric weirdo [ __ ] openly and have circus you
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know know that they are more likely to be like perfectly functional family men yeah they blend in
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there's this um very interesting reoccurring it's sort of part of the Mainframe of the story that if if you
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believe in the the the limitation of the canonical 5 that after um Mary Kelly no
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one can can do that that number on on another person physically could subject someone to that Ultraviolence without
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losing their minds yeah that's like a very exited that that do that and way worse and then
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they sit and speak coherently and uh and go have dinner with their family yeah so their kids up
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from dayare it's really uh fascinating as as an anop like a like a human social experiment talking and and listening to
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theories about this because yeah it's mired in such a Mist that and that for some reason makes people sort of
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completely unrealistic um but you know I'm also like just an amateur I don't know who
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did it I I I can't present you with facts that that will and that's the difference is you're saying I don't know
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who did it I I don't know who did it yeah and same I don't either I don't think any of us do no this drives me
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it's been very widely reported as like 100% we figured out who did it yeah like fully fact like what this is from the 18
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this way then it will serve me well if people think it's Aaron kmy for for sometime yeah so continue thinking that
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okay it's officially him yeah okay 100% Tobias is going to come mic drop later there you go there's so many little
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things about it but I won't get into it because I can literally talk about this for like six hours and you don't have
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that so let's take it back we're going to talk about the imperator which again you toured for almost two years it was
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seven legs we were at a few of them it was an amazing tour uh congrats on that success by the way and again the stamina
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that it took to do that um thank you so much you're welcome and it had I feel like towards the end of that tour
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everyone became kind of like in a flutter of like what's going to happen and like what's what's next and it it
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was like a very it had like its own like Mythos you could hear like people talking about it and everywhere you went
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about it so but luckily we didn't have to wait too long because you chronicled like you said the final two performances
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of the tour in the film here right now which again I just need to State it's the highest grossing Hard Rock Cinema
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event North America which is a crazy title to hold um but you ended that on the Cliffhanger of all Cliffhangers like
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right before revealing Papa five one thing I have to ask you is I was in one of those audiences watching that film
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and the first thing I heard very clearly when the credits rolled was someone behind me yell very lovingly [ __ ] you
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Tobias Forge like at the top of their lungs so mad cuz they were like like what the [ __ ] did you feel audiences
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cursing you at the end of that like did you know that people were going to be like no I went to uh the premiere here
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in London I'm currently in London so I was here for the premiere so that was the first
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time uh I saw it with essentially a bunch of strangers and there was this murmur
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a no one like there there was csed not no cursing but yeah there there was definitely a a noise that signal
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Grumble that went through the ground it's your gotcha moment it is it was such a good gotcha moment it's your
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gotcha moment yeah yeah it was like right up to it then just like oh yeah then closed the door uh so in that film
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there's like a lot of Illusions to Twins and a lot of implications that there's twins involved in some other capacity
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than what we've seen is there can you tell us anything about that or should we just like shut up and wait no it's easy
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it's more fun if you as a fan you get to follow the story the way that I've rolled it out with the comic and onward
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I it's it's a boring way to to explain it but it's it's just better explained that way I I'm I'm fascinated not in a
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like a mangala sort of way about about twins but I I think that the there is a um there is this I mean obviously I do
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happen to have two children who are twins me too but there I think that there is this
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fascination with especially when it comes to grownup people who've been separated at Birth for this that or the
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other reason um sometimes by accident sometime by choice sometimes by you know force uh more more than often it's it's
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been a a a result of you know girls who basically couldn't take care of their children and
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wasn't at that point maybe equipped or or uh had the ability to take care of children so they had no choice but to
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leave them up for adoption and and um you know there are cases where where uh they they have felt forced to give up
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one and um I've always been fascinated with I don't know the concept of family ties and and Bloodlines and and all that
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and I think that that that comes not necessarily from the fact that I have twins myself but it come comes also from
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the fact I have um several adopted siblings and um you know just a few years ago I did what most people or a
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lot of people do nowadays you do the ancestry and you know you you check your DNA and and and then you get like a
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whole slew of people that you're related to over the place and you know it dawned
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on me pretty quickly that if some of my siblings would do that their thing is completely different like they they
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belong to some other family with their own background and their own everything and um I I really wish that they did in
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a way but as far as I know they haven't because it's it's it's such a trauma for
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them I I oh yeah I can imagine so I when I say the word fascinating it's not always like from a joyful it's it's it's
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from a it it's really affecting stuff and and it really can do a number on on someone when you learn something
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about your life and especially if you feel that something that you believe was true was all of a sudden not true uh in
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in in my family case they are very well aware that they are adopted so that so that is not a thing but I'm just saying
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that it's it never does it become more clear and one does the test and you know you can trace back into the other one
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who is like oh that's cool oh look at that that's a surprise and that's like a relatively new thing too so I feel like
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that's like a whole new generation of people experiencing that like very specific and very unique kind of trauma
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sometimes mhm because we didn't always have these tests that we could just like send away for and get the results on
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your phone no so it's very interesting no it's it's an interesting concept and and U I think for the most part is it's
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a really good thing I I I do believe that simply put knowing your history and and I found it to be very humbling to be
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able to look at my family tree and seeing all these people obviously I most of them I couldn't see photos of or I
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could only see names but you know watching generation of generation of people struggling and more than often
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especially when you go back a hundred years and it was it's common that you see um you know Mom and Dad that gets
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like 12 kids yeah out of six of them die like a year two years three years and that was just normal back then it
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was a completely normal thing for us it's like that's a cataclysmic event oh yeah you can't even I'm not saying that
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they they weren't suffering but I'm just saying that it was like a completely different time and um they spent very
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probably spent very little time uh wallowing in Affairs and worldwide things that didn't bother that that
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wasn't directly affecting them and they just kept head straight and and they worked and and they made sure that the
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kids that survived survived and and um you know I I have a tremendous amount of respect what's the word humility for
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like all that work that was put in in order for me to sit here and talk [ __ ] that's a good way to look at it
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actually yeah that's what they did it for so we could sit here and talk [ __ ] yeah you know yeah well getting away
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from the last tour and heading into the future a little bit this album I was lucky enough to listen to it it's this
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new album is it's like a masterpiece I'm obsessed with it I love it it might be I think
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it's my favorite so far it's really really good I can't get over it I wanted to like scream it from the rooftops I
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really can't and I know you're probably like oh that's what you tell everyone it's not I doesn't I really don't I
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loved this one I loved it immediately from the first note um and again like this album feels it's just got like a
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different feel to it and it feels more personal and a little more like introspective like it just has a
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different vibe to it a very good different vibe can you tell us a little bit about why if I'm correct why you
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might have went in that direction with this one yeah I simply put the the previous record especially was such a
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channeling of of of me deciphering external influence and um I felt that uh even
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though I I mean I'm I'm super proud of imper I thought that that that that was the record that I wanted to do at the
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time nothing wrong with that but I felt not at all inspired to go back and make uh a uh you know a sequel to that like
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an impera to even though I mean obviously there's plenty of fodder if if you want to have like continued on that
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path but I just felt that that's not inspiring that's not it doesn't that is simply not what I need and uh and and
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therefore hence I don't think that that's what my like people are interested in what I
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think uh feel or need either I'd rather make a a a a more introspective record that that deals with
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Evergreen feelings and basic um human sentiments and still hope it it definitely comes across in this one like
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each one I feel like is kind of like a like a little mini movie that you can see in your head and it feels like
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there's sentiments in each one that you can relate to on some level in some part
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of your life you know what I mean like they all have that that's why this one like struck me as so different but it
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was different in the best kind of way I'm glad you say that I um this you know at some point when you when you you you
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uh you you sketch out this little idea that oh so this is a thematic concept and and these are a few songs that I've
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been fiddling with and it's it there's always this um process when you're when you're practically putting together a
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record and and you know at the end of the day I mean regard regardless of what message that you want to stay on point
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with uh you know it still needs to be like a entertaining uh piece of work of piece of art that that you know with
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with Rhymes and new words and so there there's so many hurdles to go from like a pure pure intuitive idea to actually
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looking at like 42 minutes of qualitative entertainment yeah that must I can't imagine that having to boil it
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all down to that and making it like palatable yeah I mean but that's that's what I do I love that but but it's
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definitely like it's always a challenge oh I'm sure fun challenge but but it's always um especially when you're trying
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to do thematic things that's why I'm that's why sometimes I'm also like using the theme as as like a it's that's a
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loose direction that I that I've used as a more originally most for myself in order to sort of stay on on brand might
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be the but stay on point stay on stay focused so I know where not to go stay the course yeah did you have a bit of a
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different process writing the songs this time around no no same process same process all right it's simply because I
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don't I don't really have one go-to process um so I was using the same process C's this is I think that this
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was the first time first record where I worked with collaborators that I and I I
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worked only with collaborators that I've worked with quite a lot before I didn't
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have any new any new blood so we were we were working with with with a certain amount of Rapport and background which
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was very comforting um because you trust the other people you trust them you know
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that we're we're working towards uh the same goal and everybody has you know the
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intent of making making everything as good as possible I know that no one who the hell would go into a production with
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with the opposite you never know be weird you just never know anymore you definitely feel sometimes that someone
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is phoning it in and especially if if it's like a big production with a lot of people and obviously someone is there
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someone is there because they're getting paid so and and they're they're functional too so it's that's not a
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problem but yeah nobody it was it was quite closely knit and we we were not like a big bunch of people working on
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this one um you know as some of you fans might know that that we I uh basically have a little bit of a divide between
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how I make the records and and then whom is performing on stage and uh you know uh across um you
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know my 15 years career as as this band i' I've I've experimented a little bit with that but I've leared the hard way
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that it's if if you're not going to use everyone it's better to use no one like if if not everybody's being called in
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for their ability and and and and their their special gift um anybody who's excluded from that is gonna they're
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gonna take that the wrong way it's not going to be great yeah so it's just better I've just found it more
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comforting and more more productive and nicer to everybody to just work with others and then once we get the band
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together you know then we haven't nagged each other down haven't worn each other
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down throughout the process of making a record which a lot of other bands do you
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know once Road they have already been in the studio and you know killing each other for a year oh yeah you hear about
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that all the time some of the greatest bands like Fleetwood Mac wanted to kill each other half the time MH yeah making
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records especially if you are collaborating it is very um I don't have a better word it's it's an intimate
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process I'm sure you know it's it's a very you have to you have to be very open and and and and daring well
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and it's kind of like you're letting your own like personal Journal your own diary you're giving it to a bunch of
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people to kind of help make into something that everyone's going to listen to to I can't imagine that no
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that but that it's pretty much what you do of course when you've done it a couple times you don't it's it's simply
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not a part of your it's kind of like getting naked with someone you're together with like it's that it's not a
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thing after a while that you're you know uh and and and once you you you've started writing with someone
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and and and it feels good it it it does come more natural you don't have to that
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initial Obstacle of you know having to put Shades down mhm well and we the first single video
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for that is coming out from this album is satanized and it when this episode airs it has come out already that video
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is amazing loved that video it is the first reveal of Papa five Papa perpetua and it's a phenomenal reveal at the end
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of the video um I think Ash actually filmed me watching it for the first time and I was like speechless I I couldn't
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even form words uh I have a couple of questions about that video and again if you can't answer just say absolutely not
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uh is that you heavily heavily made up as the priest uh yes I mean I knew it but the point is not that it's me
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it's point that it's a priest yes I want people to focus on it's a priest yeah yeah I I mean of course I mean I
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understand that people will sort of notice it's it's it's a good hard good Prosthetics but it's obviously not uh to
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the point where I'm completely Beyond but the song itself had has a um so this is how meta and weird ghost is
00:31:43
sometimes love that the song is written in eye form eye perspective but on the record
00:31:52
Papa the fifth perpetua is singing pretending to be another character right oh I think I'm right
00:32:01
about my theory Elena has quite a theory and I I think you just confirmed it because Papa the fifth perpetua is a
00:32:10
singer in a band so as any other band who has songs that are written in I form can be about someone else they're
00:32:21
not always about their personal experience the the uh the yeah them personally oh that's good to know oh so
00:32:28
in the video a u that a a problem sort of arose because of this because we needed U my
00:32:38
idea was for this L stricken monk to go through the hurdles of confusing his infatuation with with being possessed
00:32:48
and of course his surroundings within the monastery of course Dave they confirm that the symptoms that're
00:32:56
showing is clearly the sickness of being possessed by a demon and the cure for this is um you know an exorcism and and
00:33:04
repentance and and and all that so technically you know it was important that okay so I'm mean obviously I can't
00:33:13
transform into Papa that becomes really poor and bad yeah so we needed to have a
00:33:21
another character coming in so we had this this uh he's a Swedish actor I don't know if
00:33:29
any guys you recognize him he was familiar but I couldn't I didn't know if it was just because he has a very kind
00:33:36
face no his his name is uh I'm I hope I say this right internationally like David
00:33:42
denic and he is um he's been in all kinds of stuff like he was in in a James Bond film he
00:33:52
[Music] oh a lot of Swedish and Scandinavian film I mean he he Stars he's half I
00:34:01
think he's half Danish or something oh okay so so he's in a lot of Danish films oh that's cool so maybe it wasn't just
00:34:07
his kind of face like a really like he's a very talented actor he's very well known in Sweden Denmark
00:34:14
Scandinavia um hugely talented very very nice uh lots of fun to work with so he he really
00:34:23
graced that video with this this uh this personality MH uh that I think was needed and which which sort of put me in
00:34:31
a a little bit of a uh you know being superflous um which is fine I don't I don't have to star or anything um but
00:34:40
someone need to be the priest and uh it's always interesting to be plain [ __ ] that's must be the most fun I
00:34:50
feel like absolutely the villain is always the most fun if I if I looked more like a like a stereotypical sort of
00:35:00
strong angry man like you know with all those features you know how some men just badass y I can't really play that
00:35:10
you know you know what what you're looking at right now is me sort of having spent uh some time being sick I'm
00:35:16
glad you're feeling better by the way so I'm I'm sort of in in home mode uh in the the sort of the
00:35:22
hobo look it's she um but you know when I'm clean shaving and all I can't really
00:35:27
scare people um and and sometimes as an act like as to to whatever extent I am an actor at some point I would say so um
00:35:36
you just have to live with the fact that you're you know what what your luck is is is sort of gotta work with it you can
00:35:42
play with that's what you can play with I had to to to screw him up with a with some sort of feature that gave him a
00:35:47
little bit more of a character I loved it I'm so glad you confirmed it for me because it was driving me insane I've
00:35:53
been saying it in here I'm like am I just like looking for things that aren't there or like am I going crazy now but
00:36:01
in the same in that same video uh cuz we've you know I had to analyze it a million times there Corinthians 6:19
00:36:09
flashes across the screen it's in the little notebook it's definitely like right there and in case anybody didn't
00:36:17
you know immediately look up that verse in the Bible I did not know what that verse was at first because I'm not super
00:36:23
up on my Biblical verses now before this interview I think I'm like an expert on
00:36:28
the Book of Revelations by the way I was telling everybody stories's held her own
00:36:32
Bible study now I have so I know all about it um but Corinthians is basically touching upon like sexual immorality
00:36:40
it's when Paul went to the Corinthians and told them you know stop being so loose with your business and the
00:36:45
Corinthians were like well why does it matter this body doesn't go with me when I leave so like it doesn't matter what I
00:36:51
do with it and he's like no it's a temple for God and you're sullying it with your Reckless you know sexy time
00:36:58
so that's the story there in a very loose form obviously not the word of God and this seems to be a theme obviously
00:37:06
of the satanized video for sure like we see the nun showing some clogged ankle for a minute loved her I thought she her
00:37:15
facial expressions are so good uh and it's even it's part of the video it's part of everything for this and there's
00:37:22
another song I Won't name it because it's obviously not out yet that I listen to on the album that definitely had some
00:37:28
like spiciness in it I would say so it had like a similar theme of this but I wanted to know if that kind of theme
00:37:35
plays like a bigger role at all in the Thematic arch of the album as a whole or if it's just kind of like just a part of
00:37:42
something bigger you mean Book of Revelations or the Corinthians Corinthians I would
00:37:47
say uh like that whole like sexual immorality thing this is I mean no this was specific to this song okay uh just
00:37:58
because it in in in that specific verse um I can't paraphrase it in English exactly what it says but but it's it's
00:38:06
somewhere along the lines of keep your body clean because at the end of the day you know it belongs to God yeah and um
00:38:13
in the context of the song and and the meaning of of the video I think it's fairly poignant and on on
00:38:23
point uh to this misconception that anybody who's L stricken is somehow opening themselves up to destroying
00:38:33
their bond and and their Covenant with God a higher being which is completely wild unfathomable truly and what is and
00:38:46
again you might not be able to answer this but in the notebook we were looking at what the things that were written in
00:38:52
there cuz they were funny in the uh the music video and there's something that's
00:38:56
crossed out can you tell tell us what that said cuz I think next to it it says like idiot
00:39:02
uh I think the first thing that was crossed out was masturbate question mark yeah that was definitely one and
00:39:08
obviously he didn't want to uh suggest that and then it's was it suicide oh that's what it was but he he didn't
00:39:18
wantan to like no that's not great he didn't want to suggest maybe he was stting going through the the Bible
00:39:24
verses there and and he landed on two Corinthians uh and anybody who knows current history knows that two
00:39:34
Corinthians does not exist it's second Corinthians but um when you pose with the Bible and try to trick your your
00:39:46
followers that you have any clue what you're talking about and you say that wrong it becomes kind of humoristic it
00:39:53
does um so um that was a little bit of a little nod an Easter egg there little wink I like that all right I'm glad we
00:40:03
know what that is now it was driving us nuts we're like what is that say it has an s in the beginning uh so quick little
00:40:09
like side question have you ever seen the Devils with Oliver Reed and Vanessa Redgrave I I don't know off the top of
00:40:17
my head you should watch it I I believe that this is a quite old film right it and it was like banned but I think like
00:40:23
the W like Warner Brothers wouldn't release it again so it's one of those things you have to go looking for yeah
00:40:29
yeah yeah I um I don't remember I don't remember I I vaguely have it in the back
00:40:34
of my head I I think I know which film it is I sometimes I do have a problem uh remembering or um simply um detecting
00:40:43
which which film someone is referring to because uh even though in Sweden we don't dub films um we have other titles
00:40:53
for the films oh I didn't think of that which is uh to uh to to much ridicule and uh and the Laughing of of
00:41:04
my band members band that I'm traveling with because they have picked up on this
00:41:11
little anomaly and in Swedish uh Cinema I kind of love that so so sometimes I get the question like what's this call
00:41:21
in in Swedish so like simple simple old school things it's like Jaws is called hyen and that means the
00:41:31
shark love and uh you know Towering Inferno is and that means the skyscraper is on
00:41:42
fire I'm obsessed thatal that one awesome you know over the course of touring and and and you sit in the bus
00:41:50
and do exactly what we're talking about right now like we just like have you seen this film I'm like maybe no and I
00:41:57
see you know a picture of it oh yeah of course I've seen this but you know I remember this film and and then I have
00:42:02
to tell them the title and it's like it's such a simplified stupid I love it dumb dumb you know the old one
00:42:13
that that's fairly known is that all Mel Brooks films in in Swedish is called Springtime four huh spring producer
00:42:22
Springtime for Hitler wow uh and uh a lot of the um Goldie H films was The Girl Who Fell overboard
00:42:35
the girl who did military service The Girl Who Knew Too Much I love that words are added into the title too like
00:42:43
overboard it's not just overboard it's like we have to explain it first yeah all the all the uh um you know national
00:42:50
laoon uh National vacation or or um Christmas Vacation all that yeah all the all the ones that the Clark Clark
00:42:58
Griswald films they're called um a pair for a dad a pair for so that means like a pair as in in
00:43:10
the the fruit or oh like I thought you meant a pair a pair for for a dad huh uh celebrating Christmas a pair for a dad
00:43:21
uh on a European Vacation what you know why is there a pair so when I say if I if I ask anyone
00:43:29
in Sweden like have you seen National Lampoon's European Vacation they'd be like they will most likely not know what
00:43:35
I'm talking about like is that the one with the peir with the peir you talking about that's the one with the peir yeah
00:43:40
that's amazing I'm kind of obsessed with that you're going to have to let us know
00:43:44
if the devil has a different or the Devils has a different name it's the one um written produced and directed by Ken
00:43:49
Russell is Criterion are the people who made it I don't know why just popped in my head yeah it's from I'm going to
00:43:56
check it said grae yeah and Oliver Reed yeah yeah oh this rings a bell because as soon as I watch the satanized
00:44:04
video for some reason that movie just kind of like popped in my head and I was like huh uh I got ask oh
00:44:10
okay yeah uh so moving away from the Satan I video we have a couple of like kind of random questions for you but
00:44:18
last time you were on we had a lot of random questions for you and people really liked hearing what you had to say
00:44:23
about very random things uh so I'm sure you know this that you grew up in Sweden
00:44:29
uh is there any folklore or or tales that you heard growing up that you think maybe shaped how you approach music or
00:44:39
just creating cool [ __ ] yeah I mean obviously I I my music for for almost forever I mean as soon as I started
00:44:48
writing songs um especially for bands and stuff it it was always driven by a certain level of Supernatural
00:44:57
presence if you will because you know um I I started writing songs for for like especially metal and death metal and
00:45:07
stuff like that so of course there's this supernatural horror uh element and then that that just sort of continued
00:45:15
even through my sort of inter wall bands where it was still sort of darkish and now obviously it's influenced by that
00:45:24
too or at least wrapped in a in some sort of rapping that supposed to horrores so of course I I think that
00:45:33
Scandinavian folklore had I don't know how it is nowadays because I'm I'm obviously not a child now and I um I do
00:45:42
have children though so I'm not sure if they I'm not sure that they have sort of
00:45:48
dealt with with the same fairy tale you know murkiness that that even when I was a kid and and is Scandinavian
00:45:57
folklore is a lot about trolls and and uh various creatures that live in the forest yeah where I grew up in Lyn
00:46:07
shepping we had I mean anybody traveling to Linn shepping or anybody who's ever been there knows that that there's a um
00:46:14
there's a stream going through the the city and it's it's like a built stream and and it's it's in the form of sort of
00:46:22
a city park if you will it's not just sort of licking between the the houses it's it's like a it's like a long long
00:46:31
Park that goes through the town M because it's part of a um system called yata Canal a channel it's it's ad
00:46:39
jointed to to yata Canal it has these sloes and and stuff so you can actually take the boat oh okay on and and TR oh
00:46:48
that's cool and where I grew up and where my kindergarten was uh it's still there it's still a functioning
00:46:56
kindergarten like a a daycare place it was really nice because we had it it was sitting right right next to very near
00:47:05
the this stream oh that's cool so there was like a huge Park like a big Park right next to where we were and and we
00:47:12
had the slle you know where where old wooden oh that's cool boats would come and they would you know fill water up
00:47:19
and and but there was also like a waterfall there is this is is actually a pretty beautiful place if anybody travel
00:47:27
to lean shopping at some point go down to havayi it's called havayi because it's like a little um peninsula where
00:47:35
where me and my friends and and everybody we knew would go with six-packs and get [ __ ] up we all have
00:47:43
that one place not when you were in kindergarten it's later not not when when I was in kindergarten but but
00:47:50
anyway and there there is this character in Swedish folklore called neckan uh and he is like a naked man
00:47:59
sitting that's scary in in in by the water uh in a waterf or where the water streams down Downstream and he'd sit
00:48:09
there and play fiddle naked oh and if you ever hear him you will be enchanted by his pling and you
00:48:17
will and he will lure you and he will drown you oh that got dark so fast right at first I was like all right sounds
00:48:25
cool like this and I was like oh [ __ ] I like the fiddle music when I was little you know on and
00:48:32
we were down there playing you couldn't help but to sort of think that if there was such a thing as necken he would
00:48:39
probably sit right over there sounds like it that is a typical neckan place to sit yeah why not if we know anything
00:48:45
about nean yeah he's going to sit there he's going to sit in that waterfall that's great and a vast Congregation of
00:48:52
very devout fans we have Tobias Forge from Ghost welcome to morbid of course who who is it please
00:49:04
I'm very nearly here he's here welcome to the show Doug BR hi to hey man how are you I'm very
00:49:12
well how are you good good I'm doing fine doing just fine it's been a while covid kept getting in the way huh yeah
00:49:19
have we not seen each other since then I think at the Peterson they wouldn't let
00:49:24
us backstage and then I think I think the last one you needed to kind of voice preservation energy
00:49:32
preservation yeah I remember that now you you didn't didn't need annoying groupies exactly no I'm I'm I'm and
00:49:40
might I might have been also disturbed by do you still have that insect infestation in in Pittsburgh oh that was
00:49:49
crazy which one we had the we had the stink bugs G yeah these then that was followed by the the the spotted Lantern
00:49:58
flies that was what I was referring to but I just wanted conclusively I would just want to say we are coming to
00:50:04
Pittsburg you are yes yeah this summer so I'm looking forward to see both of you then yeah we we we already have our
00:50:12
tickets we we we will be there yay we'll all be there we'll we'll meet up some some bugless place congratulations on
00:50:21
the movie thank you thank you so much which was terrific and uh so the tour UPC coming you could lay claim to being
00:50:31
the hardest working man in Show Business I think I think so ah I I I try to put my miles but but it's I think it will be
00:50:39
10 years this year since we first saw you is it House of Dallas I think 2015 was it damn 14 I'm losing okay 11 years
00:50:52
look at that yeah I bet they suck I bet they're G to go [Laughter] you just happened to step in on the one
00:51:01
night when we didn't do that Elena congratulations on the novel which I read enjoyed hugely thank you with a
00:51:09
plot twist for the Ages which I did not see coming thank you so much I I mean that I was literally a kind of
00:51:19
what that was the plan so I'm glad it worked I I haven't cleared the decks for the sequel
00:51:26
the third one's coming so get ready is that do you stop at a Trilogy or do you just I'll keep going probably
00:51:34
you'll get some more I didn't gratulate you on anything Ash but uh that's okay I
00:51:39
just exist congratulations for being wonderful oh thank you back at you Doug look at the love here this was so
00:51:46
amazing and it was so amazing to have Doug come in as a surprise guest we wanted to give you that at the end we
00:51:51
thought it would be fun we love Doug so much thank you for coming Doug we love Tobias we love Doug it's just all love
00:51:56
here uh and just to wrap it up the album comes out on April 25th it's incredible
00:52:02
everybody go get it because you won't be disappointed uh the single for satanized
00:52:07
and the sister imperator comic are available now when this episode comes out you can access all the above plus
00:52:13
some really sick merch on ghost-official tocom and I encourage you to do it Tobias you're amazing we're huge fans
00:52:21
we'll stick with you can't wait to see you on tour we'll be at a couple of the dates looking forward to that and thank
00:52:27
you so much thank you so much for coming on we really really appreciate it thank
00:52:31
you and we hope you guys keep listening and we hope you keep it we bye [Music] [Music]
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