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The Murder of Gary Triano | Morbid | Podcast

February 08, 2024 / 59:17

This episode covers the murder of Gary Triano, discussing his life, relationships, and the events leading to his death. The hosts, Elena and Ash, also touch on the impact of his murder on his family and the subsequent investigation.

Gary Triano was born in Sacramento, California, and grew up in Arizona. He graduated from the University of Arizona in 1965 and became a successful real estate developer. His first marriage to Mary ended in divorce, and he later married Pamela Phillips, who was described as self-centered and ambitious.

As their marriage progressed, Gary faced financial difficulties due to a real estate bust and gambling debts, leading to a messy divorce and custody battle with Pam. On November 1, 1996, Gary was killed by a pipe bomb placed in his car, just before a surprise birthday party.

The investigation initially focused on organized crime connections due to Gary's gambling debts, but eventually turned towards Pam Phillips after she filed a claim on his life insurance policy. Evidence suggested she conspired with Ronald Young to murder Gary.

Both Pam and Ronald were arrested and charged with first-degree murder. Ronald was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Pam's trial was lengthy, but she was ultimately found guilty and sentenced to life in prison as well, leaving behind a complicated legacy for their children.

TLDR

Gary Triano was murdered by a pipe bomb; his ex-wife Pam conspired with Ronald Young for financial gain from his life insurance.

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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid we were doing a little room
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silence before we started recording cuz it like makes it sound better or something I don't know space and noise
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Dynamics but uh space and noise Dynamics brought to you by Ash but then Elena was
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spaced out so me and Mikey would just staring at her like girl are you going to say hey weirdos are not I was I was
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spaced out cuz I don't know how to save documents on a computer and actually then send them to people so oh that
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sounds difficult it gets a it gets a little hairy on my end cuz I don't gets a little difficult difficult lemon
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difficult it's a lot I don't know how to fix it but you know did you figure it out uh not quite but you know get there
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I usually just copy and paste the link that's pretty smart yeah but you know some people don't like that they don't
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like a link I don't care what they like I don't give a [ __ ] with people like send what I can send I do my best I do
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my best that's all you could do that's all I can do that's all you can do oh everybody it's been snowing
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today everybody it's been snowing I'm about to leave the contract I get in away from this
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snow I am jealous um I like snow I like winter but like this has been kind of poopy yeah but you're not that jealous
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because I'm going on a cruise and you don't like cruises no I'm not jealous of that I'm so [ __ ] excited I'm about to
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utilize that drink package I'm about to utilize that hot tub I'm about to utilize that free uh I was going to say
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free Wi-Fi but there isn't that free whiffy in fact the whiffy is pretty darn expensive if you ask me expensive whiffy
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but I'll be around if you need me Po sad um hopefully we won't hopefully you can
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just have a nice relaxing vacation yeah don't need me the plan don't also don't get Co while I'm gone this time oh Lord
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have mercy I hope not I I think I'm in that like aren't I in that little uh immunity period hyper immunity that's
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what they say that's what I say hey hey oh my God we kids stop singing It's a murder on the jge floor oh yeah an
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update I know I'm updating you every single episode about my feelings on salur yeah what was your previous update
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my previous update was I like I'm like I don't know about it I'm going to watch it and it's part and it is partially Ash
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that has convinced me I want you all to know that louder for the people in the back one more time one more thing Ash
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definitely convinced me oh baby but also Tik Tok has indoctrinated me as well there is the that of it all I think Tik
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Tok is actually helping me figure out how I feel about it I think I've decided that overall it's a great movie I would
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probably watch it again I think if I like really was in the mood to get my [ __ ] rocked I you know sometimes you're
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in the mood to get your [ __ ] rocked and I feel Drew has decided he he was like I
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don't know if I like it wasn't for him yeah I I'm just like intrigued now like I think I'm I'm I'm too intrigued not to
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at this point like I've seen too much I've heard too much I've seen too many reactions I am vibing hard with that
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song oh who is I've seen the end and where that song comes from so like you know what I want to have that energy in
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my life maybe maybe you like that song you can't deny that's great energy at the end I mean like for
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him maybe not for everyone else but you need to watch um no I know what happens I know why he's doing that oh yeah
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you're just crazy I've been spoiled you're just cucko nuts just CU nuts that's all I guess you could argue that
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his energy yeah yeah I mean he's having a blast he's I think he's having a blast
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the whole way through and we don't even know it I'm sure he is having a blast no
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he is that's the thing at one point sorry I can't even I won't spoil anything I want to spoil spoil but you
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like that that song at the end which I also love but I also am I'm a I don't even know what the correct wording is
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but I [ __ ] so heavy with that one two three four yeah that one I can't down with I can't get down with that one it
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just makes me want to celebrate something but murder on the dance flooor I can I can get down with that yeah we
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showed it to the kids this morning and they were like I don't know about this yeah they were like man they're like
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this song is weird yeah we were like have a good day at school have a good day at school have a good day at school
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bye well there's really no transition out of that but that's what we do we talk about weird random [ __ ] such as
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saltburn and then random songs that are having a Resurgence and then we say there's really no transition for that
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I'm going to tell you a sad awful story it's what we do so that's what we're doing right now and we're going to
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continue to do it yeah and for for a while forever that's a lot of commitment but no today we're going to
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be talking about the murder of Gary Triano this is a crazy case I think this was actually like one of the first dat
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lines that I ever watched when I was like really getting into True Crime we got a date line yeah I think so I I
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didn't watch the I didn't watch it again recently but like now I want to watch it
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um but let's get into it okay let's get into it well Gary Triano he was born in Sacramento
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California on November 6th 1943 and he grew up in Arizona after graduating from high school in 1961 he
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enrolled at the University of Arizona and eventually he did graduate with his degree in Accounting in 1965 so college
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graduate woo once he was done with school he ended up marrying Mary crra in the late 60s and they welcomed their
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first baby in 1970 they had a daughter that they named Heather and then Heather was followed the next year by a son
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Brian okay by 1970 Gary had found work as a car salesman in Tucson and with the arriv arrival of their second child he
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really wanted to take his professional life more seriously kind of level up a little bit level up level up level up so
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in 1971 he got a real estate license and embarked on his first development project this was going to be a 97 home
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development in the Northeast part of Tucson and the project did eventually go through but it wasn't without protests
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from the public and a significant amount of zoning red tape like this wasn't just
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an easy project that he started out with it was a little bit of a nightmare sounds like it but it was actually his
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early experiences with this development that prompted him to actually run for City Council in the spring of 1973 he
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told reporters zoning must uh must best utilize the available land for the benefit of the total Community not just
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for the nextd door neighbor or the real estate developer so he was like getting into it he wanted to make it a better
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experience for the community as a whole she's you know he's doing the damn thing
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he is but unfortunately he was eventually deemed ineligible to run for the seat because he failed to meet The
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Residency requirement for the ward but that didn't matter because he remained committed to working to overhaul the
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city's zoning laws and make them friendlier towards developers okay in the years that followed Gary worked
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really hard to build a name for himself in the real estate and finance Industries he invested in properties and
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developments around Arizona and actually he even bridged out into other areas including film oh wow yeah he's doing it
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all in 1978 he and Mary his wife went to the can film festival where a film that
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he actually executive produced called mafu cage debuted and was followed by a big old industry party wow this is fancy
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it is uh unfortunately though his while his business prospered throughout the late '70s and into the early 80s his
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relationship with Mary was slowly crumbling in I'm not sure like all the ins and outs but it does sound like he
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had a lot of projects going on she's finding herself like a new mom and probably alone a lot it sounds but it
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just wasn't working out and by late 1985 he had actually started seeing another woman named Pamela Phillips so not great
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never it's never good when it starts that way no by the following year he and Mary decided to divorce and in October
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of 1986 Gary and Pam actually got married married in San Diego California so they
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started seeing each other in 1985 like late 1985 and by October 86 they were married so it was like wham bam yeah it
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was just Pam boom Thank you Pam exactly that was very good wham bam going to marry you Pam there you go now unlike
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Gary's first wife Mary who was active in community groups and charitable organizations she was like really into
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the community as a whole Pam uh was the opposite a lot of people saw her as the EMB bodyman of self-centered excess
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characteristics of the finance industry in the late 1980s wow they were essentially they kind of thought she was
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a [ __ ] I was going to say that's what that sounds like it's a nice way to say she was a [ __ ] very long-winded way of
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saying she's kind of a [ __ ] yeah I'm not saying that she was they just kind of saying that according to Tucson
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Weekly Pam quote grew up in the Tucson Country Club Privilege and had always enjoyed a high visibility life of luxury
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she was also active in Tucson real estate development and Republican politics which was actually rare for
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women at the time she was she worked a lot and a reporter for the Tucson Weekly wrote she used her beauty to pursue
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listings deals and commissions and she was not above using Cutthroat tactics to get what she
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wanted I mean at this very moment right now she sounds like a like a boss [ __ ]
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that's actually exactly what I was just about to say in this one moment yeah in this Mo I know nothing about this case
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so yeah I don't know who any of these people are I'm just saying in this one moment that could change you can't deny
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it she was she was [ __ ] going for sounds like Boss [ __ ] moves now another friend and political Insider told a
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reporter in 2001 Pam will rip your heart out for a commission so maybe not like the nicest person yeah I mean that
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that's pretty intense yeah now if Gary's Life with Mary his previous wife had been you know chill and relatively
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conservative his life with Pam was uh the exact opposite yet again they lived a social life very much in the public
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eye included entertaining wealthy guests from Real Estate and finance Industries
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like um some guy named Donald Trump who yeah I don't know him and his then wife Mara Maples I don't know her either yeah
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it's not ringing a bell but yeah they were friends of them crazy wild Pam and Gary became regular fixtures at Society
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events and fundraisers University of Arizona basketball games and the tuon country club almost always traveling in
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Gary's preferred uh mode of transportation a rented stretch limo a rented stretch limo in my notes I wrote
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subtle I was going to say that is the most conspicuous car it is but it's also just so 80s like oh that a rented
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stretch limo 8s yes love it oh so while nobody doubted that there was love between Pam and Gary friends would later
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say that quote it was also money that Pam truly loves money money money money Wow money on brand did you purose
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no I didn't but in the mid 1980s Gary had plenty of money he was at the peak of his career and he was living a life
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that would later be described by the press as extravagant why couldn't I just say that word extravagant confident and
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flamboyant he and Pam owned a home on the grounds of the prestigious Skyline Country Club they had a private
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chauffeur they owned a private jet and they always used it for trips between Arizona California Nevada New York they
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were just popping off damn yeah and actually she had made a considerable career for herself with assets totaling
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nearly 2 million by her own account holy [ __ ] but Pam was happy to quit working
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after she and Gary got married embracing a new life where he provided her with everything that she needed wow now
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within a year of the wedding Pam gave birth to their first child followed by another three years later and the best
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years of their marriage Gary and Pam were pretty generous with their money they would always bring Friends Along on
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their lavish ation to flashy destinations and they took care of those that they loved yeah and their
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friendships with the likes of that guy named Trump and their regular trips to Las Vegas and Atlantic City they were
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more than just casual associations because gambling actually played a big role in Gary's not only personal but
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professional life oh okay throughout the 80s he had built part of uh excuse me a
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big part of his business and his reputation on developing Arizona's indigenous gambling industry and gaming
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industry working with tribal commissions from multiple Native American tribes to
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develop large casinos and resorts and by the late 80s his interests had expanded
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beyond the Arizona borders to include developments and G and gaming projects in the Caribbean China and even the
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Middle East so damn he's going worldwide worldwide worldwide there you go no the
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real estate and development business often put Gary in close proximity to known members of organized crime
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families including Joseph banano the bananos the bananos and they just keep coming around I know I found myself in
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Arizona again yeah but in case you forgot from my last AR Arizona case where Joseph bonano was a a little part
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of it he was the head of New York uh New York's bonano crime family and he retired to Arizona in the mid 1970s and
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actually I don't think I said this last time but he became active in Arizona real estate when he left his life of
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crime W right I mean yeah what are you going to do yeah I got to standup job I guess some homes yeah you know can you
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[ __ ] imagine if he was your real estate just like you're having a showing with like a part of the bonano crime
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family you're just like I don't think he was like a an agent I he was just involved can you imagine
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hey he's like you want to buy this home you're like yeah I do of course I do I would love to like you know what I'll
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pay more I'll sign anything right now um it was supposedly bonano who actually helped finance gar first business in the
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late '70s leading some Associates to link him to the m AIA until and actually even after his death which it's highly
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refuted yeah Dr Lawrence de Antonio though told CBS News in 2017 about Gary he's a very flamboyant man and he's also
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very good-looking but he's rotten to the core oh not a nice thing to say damn imagine somebody calling you rotten to
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the core after your death like holy [ __ ] after your like violent violent death
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yeah or at any time it's just like damn that's a that's a like indictment on someone rotten to the core that's rough
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de Antonio claimed to have known Gary since they were children and insisted he was a con man a thief and he would Rob
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or steal from anybody including his own family his own wife damn even as a kid he was a con
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man let's just be clear that this is one person's assessment yeah now whether or
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not Gary was actually involved or associated with organized crime is somewhat unclear but it is refuted by
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anybody close to him who really knew him but his work in real estate finance and
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development did eventually lead to Serious personal and professional trouble one way or the other yeah by the
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end of the decade a real estate bust and a global stock stock market crash had caused tremendous losses for investors
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and developers around the world and for the first time in almost 20 years Gary found himself in very very dire
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Financial Straits uhoh yeah the financial collapse had caused the real estate market specifically to stall so
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Gary was struggling to sell prop properties that he'd spent years investing and developing so he was
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unable to sell these properties so he quickly found himself with really serious cash flow shortages that
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prevented him from paying his creditors so of course lawsuits followed so he's just in a [ __ ] I was going to say
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there's just a bunch of just [ __ ] around that's the thing [ __ ] storms everywhere
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true [ __ ] storm and the crash and the subsequent real estate bust caused significant losses for a lot of people
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around the world but Gary's business losses were also accompanied by his personal gambling debts which also had
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begun to spiral out of control oh boy by 1993 he was being sued by multiple organizations and the next year he
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actually sadly had to uh file for chapter 11 bankruptcy he cited $40 million in debts whoa yeah and that's in
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93 I actually 40 million yeah and 93 money I didn't look up the conversion but holy [ __ ]
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now the financial problems of course I'm sure anybody could assume led to problems in Gary and Pam's relationship
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and in December of 1993 they actually ended up separating with Pam kicking Gary out of their country club home a
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messy divorce and a custody battle quickly followed with Pam taking out three restraining orders against her
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soon to be ex-husband among other things she claimed Gary quot carded a loaded gun around on the front seat of his car
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mixed booze with and anti-depressants through things tore her clothes and was harassing her at all hours of the day oh
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man in documents filed with the court during the divorce proceeding she claimed my household help has even been
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scared away o it's like let's not call people the help yeah I was going to say eek I'm like I know there's a lot other
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of other things to impact there but that's yikes yeah now it's unclear whether there was any truth to these
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claims or if Pam was simply trying to bolster her claim for full custody which that does happen oh man it's I hate when
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there's kids involved it's so messy but her behavior during the divorce did little to ende her to the judge or to
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the court system during a custody hearing in March of 1994 quote Pam became infuriated when she thought Gary
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was mocking her with laughter and retaliated in the hallway outside of the Court throwing a cup of water at Gary
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which the judge later cited her for what what are you thinking it's also like you're a [ __ ] adult yeah really and
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it's like you're at a custody hearing for your kids yeah that's not going to look good yeah that's the thing losing
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your temper and throwing something like that's you can't do that and like whether or not you are afraid of him I
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don't think that's showing the judge that you really are well that's the thing and it and it's just it's honestly
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just showing when you lose your temper you'll throw things exactly everybody's human but it's like that's a place you
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don't want to do that no exactly you got to you got to keep it contained in a court case now the case was settled a
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few months later and Pam was given full custody of the children and at that point she actually left Arizona and
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relocated to Aspen Colorado so she packed up the kids and left damn now despite being nearly a th000 miles away
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now the distance did little to quell the vitriol between Gary and Pam shortly after moving to Aspen Pam tried to get
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yet another restraining order against Gary claiming and this is a quote a friend had told her that Triano
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announced if it weren't for their kids she'd be dead whoa which like that's a big claim yeah had it been granted which
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I don't believe it was the restraining order would almost certainly have affected what little access Gary even
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had to his kids at this point oh damn which already was causing a significant source of dis of distress for Gary
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because this was already a difficult point in his life financially and personally with all the gambling debts
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and everything and now his kids are like completely ripped away from him damn and
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they move this far away yeah but um his friend John condis told a reporter in 2001 he loved and missed his kids and
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added that Gary was never without a cell phone to ensure he never miss a call from those kids oh that makes me sad
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yeah and no matter what happened between Pam and Gary obviously you hope that there wasn't actual violence yeah but it
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it does sound like he was a really devoted father well you hope so I mean like people's people's relationship with
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their kids and with their spouse can be a totally different version of themselves you know what I mean abely
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not and by no means is it okay to treat your spouse like [ __ ] no but that doesn't mean he was you know it doesn't
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mean he was a bad dad right I me again know these people so maybe he was but it doesn't sound like it it sounds like he
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was sound I was going to say it sounds like from what people who knew him said and that's all we can go off like off of
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what the [ __ ] I was like under over around over on under that's all we can go off of like I think I malfunctioned
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for a second I glitched that's all we can go off of as people who know him we don't know him if somebody says you know
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he was a devoted dad that's all we can really go off of and that's really sad that is you know now after the divorce
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Gary moved into a home in Sable Canyon with his business partner Richard hickey and started trying to rebuild his
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business which this shows you how rough it was for him he literally has to become a roommate with his business
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partner like that sucks in the two months since he filed for bankruptcy he had lost nearly $26 million and per his
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creditor repayment schedule was only projected to make about $230,000 annually for the following
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years wow I say only obviously that's a lot of money but I say only because of the debt that he was up against yeah now
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the significant drop in income also meant that he was struggling to pay child support each month and he actually
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ended up often turning to his ex-wife Mary for help and paying his debts wow which [ __ ] Mary hell yeah sister yeah
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seriously like what a Queen Mary for the win and yet again I feel like you know like it probably took a lot for him to
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turn to his ex-wife and say like can I have money to help for my for my kids like I feel like that also shows his
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Devotion to his children yeah that he wasn't willing to just like Let It Go he wasn't gonna not pay child support which
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a lot of people don't pay child support exactly now I will also say despite his financial difficulties he still
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struggled to reain in his spending he continued traveling first class he continued gambling and spending
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thousands on business entertaining oh man we're not learning our lesson here we not learning our lesson and I will
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say obviously I know gambling is an addiction so it's tough it's not like you can just shut it off exactly now in
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1994 his company New Frontier investment started an association with Platinum mortgage and financial services a Tucson
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Finance Company it was at Platinum that Gary met 31-year-old Robin Gardner and despite a 20-year age difference the two
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began a very intense and passionate relationship wow a few months later Robin was pregnant W and in 1995 she
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gave birth to their child damn she hoped that the baby would be enough reason for
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Gary to marry Mar her but after two failed marriages and you know not really being in a position to have a huge
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wedding he insisted that he was not interested in marriage okay which I can see why he didn't want to I can see why
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that would be a huge blow to her after delivering a child 100% like that sucks yeah according to a reporter for Tucson
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Weekly his refusal to marry Robin quote touched off a series of Storms and exchanges of accusations of abuse and
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violence Oh no just a mess the verbal arguments often escalated into physical altercations including one incident in
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which Gary actually called 911 on Robin after she threw a vase at him in their garage oh my God everybody needs to calm
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the [ __ ] down I know why is everybody so aggressively violent with each other super aggressively violent while his
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romantic life seemed uh destined for failure at this point by the fall of 1996 Gary's professional life was
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finally starting to pick up some steam he was still struggling to keep keep up with his creditors and for the
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bankruptcy payment res or repayment schedule excuse me but he had recently started working on a few new business
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projects including a casino in China which would be the first of It kind with the bulk of his financial and romantic
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troubles behind him Gary started off November 1996 with a renewed sense of optimism he was really looking forward
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to just starting fresh and also celebrating his 53rd birthday with friends and family he's like you know
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what it's been a [ __ ] few years move on it's like it's been a [ __ ] 10 years at this point let's let's go let's
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go into the mid-50s happy you know go now on the afternoon of November 1st 1996 he played a round of golf with his
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friends at La Paloma Country Club while unbeknown to him friends and family gathered at his house for a surprise
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birthday party the golf game wrapped up at about 5:30 that night and Gary made his way out to the parking lot where he
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parked The Borrowed Lincoln Town Car that he'd been driving after exchanging ing some pleasantries with with an
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acquaintance in the lot he got into the driver's seat of the car and noticed that a blue canvas bag was sitting on
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the passenger seat and he kind of looked at it because he hadn't he hadn't put that there and it wasn't there when he
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parked the car out of just a few hours earlier he reached over to inspect the bag and as soon as he touched it the bag
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exploded engulfing the car in flames and shattering the glass of all the nearby cars and the Country Club's Windows holy
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[ __ ] it was massive explosion oh the canvas bag actually contained a large pipe bomb which and this is very Bleak
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and very gruesome it killed Gary instantly blowing open his skull quote splitting it apart by an inch and a half
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on the right part of his forehead for a length of more than 4 in leaving a bridge of bone oh my gosh the autopsy
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report indicated that among other things shrapnel from the bomb had pierced his brain the explosion had burned turned
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off his hair and ruptured both of his eyeballs holy [ __ ] during a search of the scene his left hand was discovered
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among debris from the blast nearly 200 yards away from the car oh my so he didn't even know what
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happened he was killed instantly instantly oh that's awful according to his gold Mavado watch which stopped at
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the time of the explosion he died at 5:38 p.m. now he was on his way to a surprise
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birthday party all of his friends and family are at his house waiting for him oh yeah the news
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of Gary's death reached friends and family a few hours later many of whom like I just said just arrived at his
00:26:39
surprise birthday party when Pam got the news she later told CBS News I was absolutely hysterical and I'm thinking
00:26:46
oh my God what am I going to do I immediately thought who is it he hadn't paid before the bombing Gary was in uh
00:26:52
was totally in fear going around with a gun he had life threats I had life threats the children had life threats
00:26:58
we're talking about the Mexican Mafia people you don't cross H so she's offering up I was just
00:27:05
going to say kind of excuses here what a what a response and it's also I love that she has to insert herself into it
00:27:12
like I had life well that's the thing she's like by the way me too it's like one thing to bring up your children of
00:27:17
course but to be like and I did well and it's also just like wouldn't your first
00:27:21
thought just be like I don't even know how to comprehend this like not let me give you 40 different ways that this
00:27:27
have happened like exactly I don't know exactly and just like saying you're hysterical is interesting like obviously
00:27:35
no matter what you did love this person at some point but you were just involved
00:27:38
in the most bitter divorce custody battle ever you moved super far away from him after filing multiple
00:27:44
restrainers and you're hysterical and you don't know what you're going to do without him that's the thing you don't
00:27:49
know what you're going to do without him I don't know about that yeah uh intense
00:27:53
we'll say yeah while a few of Pam's friends believed her stories about Gary involvement with organized crime most
00:27:59
thought that her comments at the time were strange and very unbelievable a family friend Laura Chapman told CBS
00:28:05
when she was asked about Pam's claims that the family had been threatened and felt unsafe she said that's absurd I
00:28:11
don't believe that ever happened I think that's actually just completely made up
00:28:14
wow so that's interesting yeah despite what most of his friends and family said the gambling and supposed organized
00:28:23
crime link did prove too tempting for investigators yeah of well you have to look into it exactly when somebody says
00:28:29
something like that you can't just probably not right unfortunately I think they spent too much time on it though I
00:28:34
will say yeah they immediately started pursuing Gary's death as a mob pit well that's the thing you can't pursue it in
00:28:41
one exclusively one Focus you can go down that path while also exploring other paths have several Avenues give
00:28:49
them all the same attention and the answer will come exactly peba County uh Sheriff Clarence dupnik told reporters
00:28:56
he had huge Gam gambling debts he made deals between people who financed and built casinos and some of those projects
00:29:01
were unsuccessful it was basically indicating that the HIIT could have been the result of an unpaid mob debt okay
00:29:08
now to those who knew him the notion that Gary's death was the result of shady or illegal activities was not only
00:29:14
impossible but also extremely offensive I bet it was like friends and family hearing that their loved one is some guy
00:29:21
tied up an organized crime and that's why he died if that's not the case I can understand why that's really ensive to
00:29:28
have people being like Yep this is it like I can't imagine if people like if that happened to my dad or like my loved
00:29:33
one and people were going around saying that yeah cuz you're like no this is a tragedy let's figure out what happen and
00:29:38
let's focus on that the tragedy of it all now to Gary's friend and business partner Frank bumi or bumi excuse me the
00:29:46
suggestion of Mafia involvement seemed politically motivated oh he told reporters there was no organized crime
00:29:52
aspect in any Arizona casino or any casino we've been involved with but still according to him opponents of exp
00:29:59
expanded Gaming use the death as evidence to support their claims that gaming results in a rise of crime or
00:30:06
other unsavory activities that's interesting which so gross and opportunistic to use absolutely not cool
00:30:15
but you can see where he's coming from you're like oh okay yeah I I mean gross and opportunistic of people that would
00:30:20
use that exactly yeah but and you can see why he's thinking that exactly but if not the mob who would want G Triano
00:30:27
dead and why there were of course G's or there was of course Gary's considerable
00:30:33
unpaid debt but those were all with legitimate businesses and organizations who actually stood to lose even more if
00:30:40
Gary was to die before paying what he owed that's kind of what I was thinking too is if these are legitimate
00:30:45
businesses it's like it's worse if he's not around to pay the debt right ex you just keep taking money from him right
00:30:51
you know like you would get that debt exactly but despite that the Puma County Sheriff continued to pursue Gary's
00:30:57
finances as their primary theory for the murder the sheriff said there were a number of people who would have reason
00:31:02
to be angry with him some in his personal relationships and other problems could have cropped up from his
00:31:07
financial relationships yet throughout the early weeks of the investigation the sheriff continued to promote the
00:31:14
suspected connection to organized crime as the motive he told reporters a week after Gary's murder in the past the mob
00:31:21
has used this message not only is it a powerful violent way to kill but it sends a message perhaps to others it's
00:31:27
speculation but it's disconcerting speculation I mean I I agree with that at the end it is but let me just tell
00:31:34
you they are on the wrong track here oh boy yeah while investigators dug through
00:31:39
Gary's personal life for leads technicians of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms ATF for short began
00:31:45
analyzing the wreckage for clues that could Point them in the direction of the motive or the killer in a rush to
00:31:51
provide some information to the press a spokesperson told them it was a quote pipe bomb filled with black gunpowder
00:31:58
that killed Gary Triano ATF agent Sig CA said we know exactly what most of the bomb pieces are and what portion of the
00:32:05
device they belong to at this point it's just a matter of putting it all together
00:32:09
damn now while agents may have appeared confident when it came to the information that was being passed on to
00:32:15
the reporters this would prove to be one of a few inaccuracies that were conveyed
00:32:20
to the Press cuz they were rushing right stop rushing to get information out and
00:32:23
get the good information out yeah and there's some people talking to the press that are not as close to the case as
00:32:29
they seem to be awesome because in fact when technicians had finally finished processing the vehicle a few weeks later
00:32:35
they discovered several pieces of electronic scrap that would eventually confirm the bomb used in Gary's murder
00:32:41
was remotely detonated oh [ __ ] isn't that [ __ ] wild what yeah so after weeks of Investigation Pac County uh
00:32:50
investigators were no closer to discovering who killed Gary Triano than they were on day one Sergeant Michael
00:32:56
oconor told reporters it's like a game of Clue this is a classic we don't have a shortage of potential suspects I'm
00:33:02
like how classic is this yeah I love that it's like this is a classic I'm sorry what and he ended a golf game got
00:33:09
into his car and got blown up by a pipe bomb in his car that was remotely detonated on his way to a [ __ ]
00:33:15
surprise birthday party yeah point me in the direction of where That's a classic
00:33:19
like damn what has your career B seriously and also can you imagine a a detective sitting there or a police
00:33:26
offic are saying like it's like a game of Clue and it's like it's a game about your loved one's murder I hope you're
00:33:31
not looking at it like a game oh my God I would be like not a great way to describe that it's kind of gross but the
00:33:37
problem was the more time that passed actually the shorter the list of suspects became and fewer and fewer
00:33:43
leads were turning up after a few months of digging through Gary's personal life
00:33:48
and finances investigators came to the conclusion that his friends and family had actually expressed immediately
00:33:54
following his death there was no obvious connection to the mob and shocking that
00:33:58
his friends and family knew him better imagine that and while he may have owed many people money like we were saying
00:34:04
earlier not a single one of those people or companies would have benefited from his death in fact it would be worse so
00:34:10
although none of Gary's creditors like we just said would have benefited from his death there was one person who did
00:34:17
stand to gain financially from this murder a few months after Gary's death his ex-wife Pam Phillips oh no filed a
00:34:25
claim on the $2 million life insurance policy that she had taken out in Gary's name during their marriage with the
00:34:31
beneficiaries being listed as the couple's two minor children meaning who's that money going to go to oh boy
00:34:39
given the considerable payout on the policy and the lack of leads or other new evidence investigators did finally
00:34:45
turn their attention to Pam Phillips who proved to be less than Cooperative you don't say unlike nearly everybody else
00:34:51
interviewed during the investigation Pam actually refused to submit to a polygraph examination claiming that her
00:34:57
lawyer had advised against it which I can see that yeah which maybe fair enough but given the other details skch
00:35:05
if you're also being uncooperative in other avenues then that doesn't look good hand in it's just going to add on
00:35:11
to it it's a little little spice on top Yeah by the spring new leads and evidence had slowed to a trickle at that
00:35:16
point and the investigation team who actually had originally been meeting daily they started scaling back their
00:35:22
efforts until the team was fully disbanded in August when the case had gone completely cold Pam told reporters
00:35:29
I'm sad that they were unable to find whoever did this it just doesn't feel like it's over for me and my children
00:35:35
and the whole family and the whole family yeah me and my children and you know Gary's entire other family
00:35:41
everybody who knew multiple other children for sure um officially the case would remain open and investigators from
00:35:47
multiple agencies would continue working together to find Gary's killer but even
00:35:51
the sheriff's department really held out little hope of solving this case a sheriff's department depart spokesperson
00:35:57
told the Arizona Republic just after the team was disbanded it's looking Slimmer
00:36:02
every day we don't have anything fresh coming in and although this was technically true and there were no
00:36:08
official suspects many within the Sheriff's Office did continue continue to consider Pam a loose end in the
00:36:15
investigation they couldn't find any evidence to really tie her to the murder but at the same time they also couldn't
00:36:21
shake the feeling that she was somehow involved interesting their guts were talking to them yeah the fact that even
00:36:27
the investigators guts were like something's off here yeah they should always trust their gut the investigators
00:36:33
yeah that's the thing but not long after moving to Aspen we know that Pam Phillips befriended her neighbor Ronald
00:36:39
Young and she hired him as a consultant to build a website for a company that she was intending to start their
00:36:45
relationship soon turned romantic and they had a kind of on and off again relationship until 1996 when Ronald
00:36:52
Young abruptly left the state okay in 1996 ah same year that uh very interesting
00:36:59
yeah that Gary died huh his sudden departure without delivering on the service that he'd been paid for by Pam
00:37:05
to complete prompted her attorney to file a police report claiming that Ronald Young had defrauded Pam Phillips
00:37:11
and initially Pam seemed interested in cooperating with the police about this case but a few weeks later she refused
00:37:17
to help in their investigation at all I was literally just going to ask you I was like you know it's weird that she
00:37:23
would involve herself in that if something is a miss but the fact that she pulled back and was like actually no
00:37:29
I don't want to talk to BCE about anything I don't want to get anybody in trouble I don't care about anything I'm
00:37:32
just going to sit over here yeah it's like that's interesting it sounds like she had mentioned it to her attorney and
00:37:37
they thought maybe we can get this back and obviously her attorney probably had no idea about anything else at this
00:37:42
point yeah and he was like let's pursue this and she was like yeah let's get my money back and then was like you know
00:37:46
what on second thought I don't need that money she's like wait a second Never mind take these back SE I don't want it
00:37:51
but despite her change of heart when it came to pressing charges Pam Phillips actually was not the only only one who
00:37:57
made a claim of fraud against Mr Ronald Young in April 1996 just a few weeks after Pam had filed her report against
00:38:04
him two Aspen businessmen made a a similar claim so a search warrant was issued for Young's home where
00:38:11
investigators found evidence related to the fraud case and an arrest warrant ended up being issued in August now
00:38:19
weeks passed with no sign of Ronald Young until Aspen detective James Crowley got a call from police in y
00:38:25
Belinda California regarding the discovery of an abandoned rental car that had been taken out in
00:38:30
Young's name and it was found at the airport near his parents house huh because the vehicle had been reported
00:38:36
stolen by the rental car company the police were able to impound the vehicle and tow it uh they had it towed to the
00:38:42
impound lot where it had just been sitting since its Discovery so detective Crowley actually traveled to California
00:38:49
in October to search the contents that had been found in the vehicle which included a saw off shotgun oh [ __ ] a
00:38:57
laptop computer belonging to Ronald Young a credit report in Pam Phillips name a map of Tucson oh and a large
00:39:05
number of documents from Gary and Pam's divorce what the [ __ ] yeah the evidence
00:39:13
collected from the rental vehicle was uh for sure months later when he heard about the
00:39:28
bombing in Arizona that James Crowley thought about Ronald Young again yeah he remembered Gary Trio's name from the
00:39:35
documents that had been found in the abandoned rental and along with the map of Tucson and he was like that's kind of
00:39:40
weird interesting so he reported the information to the PAC County Sheriff's department but when they were also
00:39:46
unable to locate young they pursued other suspects what the [ __ ] we're just letting him go here like you like you're
00:39:55
just like oh we can't find him can't find him so I guess where in the world is Ronald Young you know what he didn't
00:40:00
do it cuz we can't find him and it's like what no you need to go look nearly a decade passed stop nearly a
00:40:09
[ __ ] decade passed until 2005 when Ronald Young's case appeared on America's Most Wanted oh hey John
00:40:19
Walsh John Walsh for fraud charges uh during which it was also noted that he was a suspect in the Triano murder case
00:40:26
the episode aired in November of 2005 and within a day producer producers producers know I like that producers
00:40:35
producers received several calls from residents in PP pompo Beach I think it's pompo I think it is pompo Beach Florida
00:40:42
saying that a man matching Young's description was living in the area and going by the name Kelly young oh damn
00:40:49
you didn't even change your last name no and I actually I'm pretty sure that Kelly is his middle name so you just
00:40:54
start going by his middle name yikes kind of dumb on November 21st Broward County
00:40:58
Sheriff's officers trailed young to a chiropractic appointment where he was arrested for fraud charges you got to
00:41:05
get that spine right they were like you can't they were like you can't you're going to be uncomfortable they were [ __ ]
00:41:10
you and your spine [ __ ] you and your alignment okay you're finess now when they searched his car in the parking lot
00:41:16
that day officers discovered a loaded gun and credit cards in the name Kelly Young when detectives were able to
00:41:23
search his home and his computers they discovered that he had been receiving regular payments from this lady named um
00:41:29
Pamela Phillips since 1997 shut the [ __ ] up totaling approximately $400,000 shut the [ __ ] she had been
00:41:40
paying him this entire time since 1997 it is now 200 almost decade five yeah yeah holy [ __ ] yeah according to a
00:41:49
forensic accountant who ex examined the evidence the payments were consistent with the scheduled payouts that Pam
00:41:54
Phillips had received from Gary triano's life insurance policy and it appeared to
00:41:59
the accountant that quote the two had attempted to conceal the transactions wow yeah this could not be
00:42:07
more obvious no it truly couldn't in addition to the fraud charges against him now in Colorado young was charged
00:42:13
with being a fugitive in possession of a firearm and served 10 months in a Florida jail and upon his release in
00:42:19
2006 was extradited back to Colorado on the warrant warrant for the uh fraud charges damn so based on the evidence
00:42:26
collected from his home and laptop computer the evidence collected from the abandoned rental vehicle in
00:42:32
1996 investigators on the Triano case had a strong reason to believe that young had been paid by Pamela Phillips
00:42:39
to murder Gary Triano yeah I would say that that's a pretty decent conclusion to come to one might think so while
00:42:46
young sat in a Florida jail on the Firearms charge before he ended up being extradited detectives in Arizona
00:42:52
continued combing through evidence collected from his home and they discovered that he he quote had recorded
00:42:57
hours of telephone conversation with Phillips in which they exhaustively discussed the payments shut up according
00:43:05
to court documents throughout these conversations young and Phillip quote referred to their financial dealings
00:43:11
explicitly and implicitly as an illegal arrangement I how what the fact that he recorded these he recorded all of them
00:43:22
and in most of these conversations Pam expressed concerns they might get caught wow among the more incriminating calls
00:43:30
was one where young reminded Pam that he quote helped her with something that was
00:43:35
beyond what anyone else in the world would probably do and she was living off the benefits of it oh my God that that's
00:43:42
boom in another call where they started arguing about how much money he believed
00:43:46
he was owed he explicitly said if they were caught Pam would quote be in a women's prison for murder all right I
00:43:53
think we it we can slam that book shut case is closed my friends so the recorded calls obviously were sufficient
00:44:01
enough evidence to get a warrant and in September of6 Tucson Cold Case detective
00:44:06
searched Pam's Aspen home seizing a large amount of evidence they believed proved that she had conspired with
00:44:12
Ronald Young to kill her ex-husband Gary Triano in 1996 so now we're talking 10 years later holy [ __ ] although they'd
00:44:19
long considered Pam a suspect in Gary's murder investigators now felt confident that after 10 years of inactivity
00:44:26
they had found the people responsible for's death during a press conference after the search of Pam's home ATF
00:44:32
special agent Thomas Mangan told reporters it's fair to say that both individuals are suspects yes absolutely
00:44:38
think it's more than fair yeah the allegations the Snow White of fairis literally the fairest of the ball the
00:44:44
allegations were immediately of course refuted by Pam's attorney Doug Clark who told reporters that his client had
00:44:50
nothing to do with Gary's death sir okay sir mhm he explained quote there are at
00:44:57
least five different very dangerous people any of whom could have done it they all had the means the motive and
00:45:02
the opportunity to do it Gary had a shady past and many enemies I love that they just keep going back to that
00:45:08
they're like I know that the evidence points directly at Pam and she's essentially admitted it on a phone call
00:45:14
but there are so many other people who could have done it and it's like yeah there's a whole bunch of people in the
00:45:18
world that are capable of killing anybody yep but we have evidence that says that she did we have evidence that
00:45:24
says she has the means are enemy of Gary many all these restraining orders and everything like obviously they did
00:45:35
not have a good relationship like let's be real let's consider her an enemy for sure him an enemy of hers even but
00:45:41
investigators had long ago ruled out any of Gary's business associates and creditors like we know so no matter how
00:45:48
hard Pam's lawyer tried the content of the phone calls was simply too suspicious to expl you can't get past
00:45:53
that like good try good try throw it at the wall and see if it sticks but it didn't exactly so it took a while but in
00:45:59
October of 2008 warrants were issued for the arrest of Pam Phillips and Ronald Young charging both with first-degree
00:46:04
murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder young was arrested in California and extradited back to
00:46:10
Arizona but Pam Phillips was nowhere to be found where the [ __ ] did you go Pam
00:46:17
so much [ __ ] time has passed you might as well have given her a [ __ ] ticket uh despite having been monitored
00:46:23
by Colorado investigators and investigators that's what was the other produc producers producers and
00:46:31
investigators investigators so despite having been monitored by the investigators Pam fled
00:46:38
the US for London in September of 2008 she just left the [ __ ] country while she was being monitored I'm like did you
00:46:45
fall asleep at the wheel like the [ __ ] her lawyer claimed that she quote had gone to live near her daughter in
00:46:51
Switzerland B I wonder why also good for your daughter going to Switzerland I know hell yeah get out of here uh a
00:46:58
little more than a year would pass before Pam was finally arrested in Vienna Austria in December of 2009 and
00:47:05
eventually extradited back to the US wow Ronald Young went on trial in Puma County in late February 20110 now where
00:47:13
Puma County district attorney William McCollum argued that he had engaged in a romantic relationship with Pam Phillips
00:47:18
in 1996 and he was ultimately convinced to kill Gary Triano in exchange for $400,000 which was paid out from Gary's
00:47:26
life insurance policy wow he's just like here it is he's like boom and as evidence of conspiracy McCollum provided
00:47:33
receipts showing that the payments had actually began several months before the murder even occurred wow which laid the
00:47:39
ground for the conspiracy charge the ongoing payments and hours of recording phone recorded phone calls they argued
00:47:46
were also evidence of his guilt damn now arguing on Young's behalf uh defense attorney Walter paer claimed that the
00:47:53
district attorney was only guessing about what had happened and that's a quote he said the phone calls were
00:47:58
really too vague to prove anything oh yeah he said in truth young had learned the details of Gary's death from Pam and
00:48:05
desperate for money he used that information to extort her for years which I would like to sit here and tell
00:48:10
you is also a crime yeah that you're not making your client look good he's like it's no big deal he just tried to extort
00:48:17
someone it's just extortion that's all he's like we can talk about that later but like they have a name for that if
00:48:22
they have a name for it it's probably not good like dude he said if the jury wants to hypothesize they could just as
00:48:27
easily hypothesize that sometime around November 1st 1996 Phillips told her former lover she had arranged for
00:48:33
triano's death and he decided to blackmail her wow and as evidence of this he pointed to the recordings in
00:48:40
which young does make vague threats of Philips going to jail for what she did but never implicates himself in the
00:48:46
crime probably because he knows he's the [ __ ] person recording them yeah of course that's have you ever watched any
00:48:54
crime series ever of course they're not going to talk about themselves they're going to try to get you to say it not
00:48:59
them exactly yeah but the defense attorney during his closing arguments continued if they think the blackmailing
00:49:04
scheme and the murder scheme are equally plausible they have to equit Young they
00:49:09
don't they don't in his closing arguments uh district attorney William McCollum refuted the defense's argument
00:49:15
reminding the jury that quote the blackmail scenario doesn't make sense since Phillips began paying young five
00:49:21
months before the slaying yeah so there's that you want to explain that yeah and he also went on to point to the
00:49:26
large amount of evidence collected in Ronald Young's home that tied him to the murder saying he had quote never seen a
00:49:32
case in which so much evidence was created by the defendant he said everything you've seen or heard reeks of
00:49:38
two people who are so cold so greedy Nothing Else Matters damn the jury deliberated for 12 hours across two days
00:49:46
and on April 1st they returned their verdict finding Ronald Young guilty a first-degree murder and conspiracy to
00:49:52
commit first-degree murder on May 3rd 2010 Puma County Superior Court Judge Christopher Browning did sentence young
00:49:59
to life in prison without the possibility of parole saying he quote could not comprehend how somebody could
00:50:04
plot and carry out the murder of a virtual stranger for money damn and in such a [ __ ] horrific way horrific way
00:50:12
and clearly he was nearby and had pressed the button like he was like stalking Triano oh my God and so to be
00:50:19
able to watch somebody walk oh so chilly yeah now if Ronald Young's trial was relative simple and straightforward
00:50:27
Pamela Phillips case was again I say the exact opposite oh boy after being arrested in Vienna in December of 2009
00:50:35
it took eight more months before Pam was back in the US and in July of 2010 she was finally arraigned on charges of
00:50:42
first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder while she was awaiting trial though her defense team
00:50:48
requested that doctors perform a mental health evaluation claiming that she was incompetent to stand trial according to
00:50:56
these attorneys her attorneys Pam had been exper experiencing extreme paranoia since 2003 I [ __ ] wonder why yeah end
00:51:04
quote she has felt as though she is being watched and listened to and believes that she has had tracking
00:51:08
devices placed in her neck wow in March of 2011 Dr Brad Johnson testified at a pre-trial hearing
00:51:17
telling the district attorney he had examined Pamela Phillips and in his opinion she was mingering or faking
00:51:23
symptoms of mental illness according to him she was quote very dramatic inconsistent vague and focused when she
00:51:30
described her symptoms and people with actual mental illnesses usually are not yeah I mean there you go based on
00:51:37
his opinion the judge refused to allow any additional mental health examinations but in September of 2011
00:51:44
Puma County Judge Richard Fields reversed his early ruling prohibiting additional mental health exams and in
00:51:50
December of that year Pam was examined a second time by a new Mental Health prce
00:51:55
practitioner who determined she was indeed incompetent to stand trial but quote could be restored to
00:52:03
competency okay like why how though couldn't tell you but finally in October of 2012 Pam was determined competent to
00:52:11
stand trial but it would be another 16 months before she would finally go to trial I hate how long these things drag
00:52:18
out especially for the families involved just like let him get through it man Gary's family having to wait this long
00:52:24
for justice anyways and then it just gets like dragged and dragged and that's it's exactly what you said like having
00:52:30
over a decade happen before you even got to this point right and then this all gets drudged back up again which you're
00:52:36
happy I'm sure to a degree about you wrapped up EXA exactly but like I said Pamela finally did go on trial for the
00:52:44
murder of Gary Triano and this was in mid-February of 2014 where Pac County Prosecutors told the jury that she had
00:52:51
conspired with Ronald Young to kill her husband and the motive was simply green so cold and it's so gross it's so gross
00:52:59
like o prosecutor Nicole green said in her opening statements moments prior to that bombing the only person who stood
00:53:05
to get any benefit from Gary triano's death was Pamela Phillips yeah the prosecution argued that Pam had grown
00:53:11
accustomed to this lavish lifestyle that she had when she was married to Triano and although she no longer wanted to be
00:53:17
married to him she wasn't ready to give up that lifestyle in support of their case they offered the same evidence that
00:53:23
had been used to convict Ronald Young recordings and documents they believed showed that she was an active
00:53:28
participant in the murder in defense of his client Paul xtram flatly rejected the prosecution's argument and instead
00:53:35
suggested that although she had no love for her ex-husband Pam was in fact the victim according to Pam's defense who
00:53:42
were clearly taking a page from Ronald Young's defense extrm claimed that Ronald had learned the details of Gary's
00:53:48
death for years and had used that information to extort Pam so wow we're really going for this saying the same
00:53:55
thing okay he claimed quote what he had on Pam was the fact that she had a reputation in Aspen to protect it was a
00:54:02
small town she was a real estate agent she needed her reputation they argued Pam's lawyers
00:54:08
that if word got out about her being a suspect in Gary's death it could have ruined her professional career and done
00:54:13
considerable damage to her reputation and young was using that to his Advantage as far as who did commit the
00:54:20
murder extrm claimed Gary had been killed by Neil MCN an Arizona millionaire to whom Gary owed money well
00:54:26
we're just like pulling that guy out of nowhere it's also like is that not hearsay like you just pull that out ofu
00:54:31
just be like um that guy did it yeah that guy did the law confuses me cuz some like I think I say this at least
00:54:37
once every other case some things that are here say you're like what I know and then other things that don't get labeled
00:54:43
as that hears like to me that feels hearsay right now on April 3rd 2014 the jury retired for deliberations and
00:54:51
nearly a week later took them a little longer than the previous jury but they were turned their verdict finding Pam
00:54:58
guilty oh okay I was like please don't I know I was trying to throw you off uh they found her guilty a first-degree
00:55:03
murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder and on May 22nd nearly 4 years after her arrest and 18
00:55:11
years since Gary's murder the judge Richard field sentenced Pamela Phillips to life in prison without the
00:55:17
possibility for parole damn when the verdict was read in the courtroom she turned to the gallery and shouted I'm
00:55:23
innocent I'm innocent this is a nightmare I don't know man I don't understand those phone calls if you are innocent I
00:55:30
don't either and I don't understand the payments I don't understand any of it no
00:55:34
and again the motive you were the only one who stood to gain from it everyone else only lost out yeah Pam Phillips
00:55:41
appealed the verdict to the aror excuse me Arizona court of appeals in 2018 claiming among other things that she had
00:55:48
been improperly denied contact with her attorney denied her right to a properly presented defense and denied her right
00:55:54
to doe process all of which were incorrect the Arizona court of appeals disagreed with all of these claims and
00:55:59
upheld the verdict she currently is serving her sentence at the Arizona Department of Corrections in perville
00:56:06
Arizona and that is that damn such a sad case it is and and I was looking up um like just trying to see you know like if
00:56:17
the if the kids I know they're adults now like how they ended up they seem like they are from what I've read it
00:56:24
says that they remember their dad as like a larger than life personality who adored his children was generous with
00:56:31
his time and money um the one of them I don't want to say their names just in case they don't want to yeah I don't
00:56:37
blame you you know um but they remembered like he would literally like play jokes on people in restaurants
00:56:44
where he would send the bill his bill to someone else and then watch their reaction but then pay their bill and his
00:56:50
bill like just like as a practical joke that's the thing everything I read about
00:56:54
him just sounded like one he was a devoted father and two a pretty nice guy well and even Robin Gardner testified
00:57:02
and said that he was an active participant in their daughter's life and she was sure he would have been just as
00:57:08
attentive to her if he had been given the chance to grow up with her see cuz I think she was only like seven month old
00:57:16
it was like right before he was killed that she was born I think they were like this is this is like an older uh article
00:57:22
about it but I think they were like having trouble like with the money that was supposed to be awarded to them oh
00:57:27
they were supposed to get money and it wasn't going to come cuz it's from Pamela yeah of course that makes sense
00:57:32
it's like it's from what you can see everybody who I mean I trust his kids to tell me if he was a good dad that's
00:57:38
that's the end I'll be all on that one so and he had two older kids cuz remember he had two kids from his first
00:57:44
marriage so they knew him for a long long time exactly you so it seems like yeah and for Robin to say that like when
00:57:52
they did have some difficulties in their relationship yeah to say like he was very attentive and very a part of our
00:57:58
daughter's life our daughter's life and I know if he was around and was given the chance he would be as attentive to
00:58:03
her as he is with his older kids and all his friends said like no matter what kind of streets he was in he always had
00:58:08
a cell phone to call these kids it tore him apart that they were the like Pam and his children she took them so far
00:58:14
away like I do think that Justice was served here but unfortunately it was so late it was such delayed Justice and it
00:58:23
doesn't do anything for those kids to know doesn't bring him back so it's like oh what a sad sad story seriously crazy
00:58:32
truly but with that we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you extorted
00:58:40
anybody for money and not so weird that you don't just like get divorced like a normal person and move on with your life
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you don't need to do any of this yeah you don't need to do that stop that bye [Music]
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goodbye [Music]

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Episode Highlights

  • Gary Triano's Early Life
    Explore the beginnings of Gary Triano, from his education to his early career.
    “Gary Triano was born in Sacramento, California on November 6th, 1943.”
    @ 00m 33s
    February 08, 2024
  • Pam's Controversial Character
    Pam, Gary's second wife, is portrayed as self-centered and ambitious.
    “A lot of people saw her as the embodiment of self-centered excess.”
    @ 08m 58s
    February 08, 2024
  • The Rise and Fall of Gary's Career
    Gary's journey through real estate and finance, leading to his eventual downfall.
    “By the end of the decade, a real estate bust and a global stock market crash...”
    @ 15m 35s
    February 08, 2024
  • Divorce Drama Unfolds
    The tumultuous divorce between Gary and Pam, filled with accusations and restraining orders.
    “Pam claimed Gary carded a loaded gun around on the front seat of his car.”
    @ 17m 23s
    February 08, 2024
  • Mary's Support Amidst Struggles
    Gary often turned to his ex-wife for help with child support, showcasing his commitment to his children. "What a Queen Mary for the win!"
    “What a Queen Mary for the win!”
    @ 21m 46s
    February 08, 2024
  • Pam's Emotional Reaction
    Pam expressed her devastation upon hearing the news of Gary's death. "Oh my God, what am I going to do?"
    “Oh my God, what am I going to do?”
    @ 26m 46s
    February 08, 2024
  • A Detective's Casual Comment
    A detective compared the investigation to a game of Clue, which felt inappropriate given the circumstances. "It's like a game of Clue."
    “It's like a game of Clue.”
    @ 32m 56s
    February 08, 2024
  • Pam Phillips' Change of Heart
    Initially seeking to press charges, Pam later decided she didn't want the money back.
    “Actually, no. I don't need that money.”
    @ 37m 46s
    February 08, 2024
  • Evidence Found in Abandoned Vehicle
    Investigators discovered incriminating evidence in a rental car linked to Ronald Young.
    “A sawed-off shotgun and a laptop belonging to Ronald Young were found.”
    @ 38m 53s
    February 08, 2024
  • Pam Phillips Sentenced to Life
    After years of legal battles, Pam was sentenced to life in prison for her role in the murder.
    “She turned to the gallery and shouted, "I'm innocent!"”
    @ 55m 16s
    February 08, 2024
  • A Father's Legacy
    The children remember their dad as a larger-than-life personality who adored them.
    “He was a devoted father and a pretty nice guy.”
    @ 56m 56s
    February 08, 2024
  • Delayed Justice
    Though justice was served, it came too late for the children affected.
    “It doesn't bring him back, so it's like...”
    @ 58m 28s
    February 08, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • I can't get down with that one, it just makes me want to celebrate something.
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  • Imagine somebody calling you rotten to the core after your death.
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  • Oh my God, what am I going to do?
    The Murder of Gary Triano | Morbid | Podcast
  • Damn, what has your career been?
    The Murder of Gary Triano | Morbid | Podcast
  • Shut the [ __ ] up totaling approximately $400,000.
    The Murder of Gary Triano | Morbid | Podcast
  • I'm innocent! This is a nightmare!
    The Murder of Gary Triano | Morbid | Podcast

Key Moments

  • Divorce Turmoil17:21
  • Devoted Father19:57
  • Dwindling Hope35:59
  • Life Sentence55:16
  • Father's Love56:56
  • Delayed Justice58:28
  • Sad Story58:28
  • Keep It Weird58:35

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