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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] [Music] from the sounds of it it's morbid yeah
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we were talking about this earlier it's uh [ __ ] crazy this case is berserk berserk berserk this case as Caleb would
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say goes crazy I love when Caleb says that something goes crazy he's like that's the way he says it that's fine
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it's like a face that he makes when he says he's like that was crazy yeah but it's better it's way better actually
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it's just a it's a way yeah it's a way it's a Vibe it's a feeling it's an emotion it is is what it is it's snowing
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here it is it's like uh it's like sleeting it's like fat snowing like big fat no coming down from like fluffy snow
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it's flowing it's snowing it's for knowing no you slowly slowly lost it well because I added an L where
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one didn't couldn't be yeah no no flowing sounded good but snow and fat does not have is it Fallen it would be
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foan if anything yeah guys we're a little tired today it's it's Friday it's Friday it's fry easel there you go
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you're like I'm not saying that's all that it's all the bag of chips okay yeah but we we gotta get into this
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my coffee has weaned the [ __ ] off yeah it's just one of those days you know it's after the holidays
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getting back into it it's a lot of recordings I'm gonna use you're getting the like crazy Punchy us yeah I'm gonna
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start using like you know it's after the holidays I'm gonna start saying that in
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like July because 100 it still happens after the holidays I'm just gonna say that to [ __ ] with people or you could
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say it's almost the holidays you know it's almost the holidays yeah you can just rest the [ __ ] out because it's
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always either after the holidays or almost the holidays at some point pretty much so I think it's valid I like it I
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think it's pretty valid I am into it uh do it I don't have anything else all right so
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my case my case is like I said it's pretty [ __ ] out there we are heading over to Mountain City Tennessee which is
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one of my favorite states to spell it's actually my favorite state really smell spell and smell I bet I've never smelled
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it I've never barbecue I would I would assume would smell really good there yeah probably yeah the whiskey yeah
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Nashville's gotta smell great yeah I want to go to Nashville me too I think everybody does we should do that yeah
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totally just let's just go to Nashville I think I've said this on the podcast before but
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I got to do a project about Tennessee once and it made me happy like in school you remember the state project I do
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remember mine was Tennessee and ever since then I was like I like Tennessee mine was Wisconsin
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boring it sure was loses entire Wisconsin listener base I love you guys and ninja
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proud I'm just kidding no Wisconsin is there like cheese yeah cheese is a very big part of us not boring at all yeah I
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love cheese yeah worked out for me I love it there all right well yes so we're going to
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talk about a case that became known as the Facebook murders oh yes I don't know if I know this I don't know if you will
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but I think you'll start if you do know it I think you'll know pretty early on that that you know it if you know you
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know it kick there you go so this case has like a little bit of everything it's a little Smorgasbord if you will there's
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a family murder plot oh a CIA agent oh Facebook Facebook manipulation catfishing and conspiracy theories galoa
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wow everything after Facebook is all describing Facebook yeah of course manipulation catfish and conspiracy
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theories yeah so it's just like what what will I find on Facebook well I think I still have a Facebook I gotta
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get rid of that mine's gone mine is gone um I want to like download my picks yeah
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and smart eat it into it when they get out of there yeah but sadly this case back to it sadly in January of 2012 two
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bodies were found in Mountain City Tennessee they were the bodies of 36 year old Billy Bill Payne and his 23
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year old girlfriend Billie Jean Hayward Earth cheese for the sake of the story I'm gonna refer to Billy Payne Morris
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Bill and Billie Jean as Billie Jean okay so Bill Payne's throat had been cut and
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the couple had both been shot in the face wow when they were found their seventh month seven month old son was
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still in his mother's arms luckily found alive and unharmed oh my God that's awful but found sleeping in his mom's
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arms still oh horrible it's it's that's the worst part of this entire thing oh my God now it only took the police a
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week to arrest the men responsible for these murders they were Jamie curd Bill Payne's second cousin what and Marvin
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better known as buddy Porter the latter man's daughter Janelle had originally been friends with the couple but more
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recently they had become her mortal enemies now the case seemed pretty simple at
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first seemed like a father seeking revenge for his daughter who claimed that the murdered couple had been behind
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a string of online bullying and threats directed at her but this case would turn
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out to be incredibly more convoluted and so much more bizarre than anyone could have ever expected by the time the
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detectives got to the truth an entire family would be behind bars and the small Serene town of Mountain City would
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be absolutely gobsmacked whoa you really set that up I did damn I feel like like
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I felt like I was entering into a dateline episode well Keith is over there and you know what he's looking at
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me all proud he is yeah Keith is standing next to us with his hands in his pockets Keith Morrison is standing
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next to us yeah Converse on he's just here in the in the Pod lab all the time yeah I always and he's standing there in
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his Converses with his hands in his pockets and he's looking at you like good job gobsmacked nice yes of it yeah
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yeah I like it well at the center of this case is a young woman named Janelle Potter excuse me she was in her late 20s
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to early 30s during the time that we're going to talk about today but there are a lot of different ideas
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and arguments about if Janelle was really operating with a 30 year old's brain according to her mother she had
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the brain of an elementary school child but obviously looked to be a grown woman
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Janelle was born to parents Barbara and Marvin like I said better known as buddy
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Potter and she was born in Pennsylvania in 1981. according to her sister Christine
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Janelle was quote a little bit slower in learning and in developmental capacity meaning she struggled academically she
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had some uncomfortable moments with her peers throughout teenage years especially yeah and she was also
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managing type 1 diabetes she had been diagnosed when she was younger and it was something that really affected her
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self-confidence she was said to have many health issues in addition to diabetes but it doesn't
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seem like those were ever elaborated on or specified okay to many she came off as quote a little bit odd especially
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when it came to reasoning and interactions with others so yeah yeah since she had her fair
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share of struggles she wasn't always comfortable in social situations and she spent a lot of time either by herself or
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just hanging out with her parents her sister Christine said that Janelle was very coddled she used the word
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coddled by her parents and said that the parents never really taught Janelle how
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to deal with her problems directly and instead most of the time they would resolve issues that she was having for
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her instead of showing her like this is how you can take care of that she felt like her mother Christine felt
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like her mother in particular emphasized Janelle's social physical and intellectual disabilities and it seemed
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like this really fed Janelle's negative self-image and exacerbated her inability
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to develop any kind of healthy relationship or any kind of really social skills yeah now at the same time
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Janelle's sister wasn't solely placing the blame on their mother she also felt like Janelle knew how to manipulate
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manipulate her parents as well as other people into doing what she wanted them to do and because Christine didn't
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really agree with most of what was going on and how it was being handled it put a
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strain on her relationship with her family especially Janelle these two sisters did not get along at all okay
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now in late 2004 their father buddy decided that it would be a good idea to relocate the family from Philadelphia to
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Mountain City Tennessee Christine and Janelle's relationship at this point had become so deteriorated that Christine
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actually decided not to go with her family she ended up moving in with her grandmother and at this time she
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actually took out a restraining order on her sister due to her sister's harassing
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and threatening behavior what yeah I don't know if the move was like solely to help Janelle like if her parents
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thought a change of scenery might help her struggles or if it was like for various reasons but it really didn't
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seem to help her in any way she felt like it was even harder to make friends out in Mountain City she said because
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she wasn't born and raised there and that the people there didn't like Outsiders this was really also like
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around the boom of social media so that became Janelle's like cocoon if you will
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instead of having to go out and make friends and make connections face to face she could log into the internet
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craft any Persona she wanted and communicate to anybody anywhere from the comfort of her own home yeah and that
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and that is the first step into why social media is terrible is a farce yeah I like that word so that was pretty much
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the only way Janelle communicated with the outside world until like 2009. wow now at some point in 2009 she ran out to
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the Local Food Lion to pick up a prescription and a woman named Tracy Greenwell was working there and she
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could kind of recognize that Janelle was a bit awkward and didn't necessarily have fantastic social skills but instead
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of avoiding Janelle she decided like why don't I try and befriend her she doesn't
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seem like she has a lot of friends and she has like she's kind of not new here but she's been here a while and hasn't
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made friends with anybody Tracy went out of her way to call Janelle she would invite her out with
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her own friends so that she wouldn't be cooped up at home all the time with like
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just her parents as companions I say in a world full of [ __ ] be a Tracy oh there you go so Janelle's parents who
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have been described many many times over as very overprotective they wanted Tracy
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to come over to the house for a couple times before they allowed to Janelle to go out with her okay now remember she's
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in her 20s 30s so yeah so that's like a different different scenario because at first I was like I get that but then
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she's not a teenager she's not a child yeah according to her mother she is a child but yeah and it's very convoluted
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yeah exactly so once they were confident though that Tracy was good company they
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did allow Janelle to go out with her and it wasn't long before Janelle bonded with Tracy's group of friends she was
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regularly hanging out with them they took her rock climbing there's like pictures of them hanging out together it
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looked like they all had a great time yeah now part of the friend group was Tracy's brother Billy Payne Janelle
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immediately took a liking to Billy who like I said was also referred to as Bill whenever the group would go out both
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Tracy and Bill would also Bill too went out of his way to include Janelle he was
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like a good guy just like his sister the district attorney who would later become involved in this case Dennis
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Brooks felt like it was during this time that Janelle developed feelings for Bill
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Payne oh he quote included her in Social occasions like I said going rock climbing or just hanging out to someone
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like Janelle who led such a boring and sheltered life that must have seemed like something special yeah that's what
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he said and he's just a nice he's a nice guy exactly sounds like he's just like a
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very very decent very nice guy the way he was described was a nice guy who had time for anyone
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I of course I'm looking at pictures and he just has like a very kind face he does and say both Billy's do I was gonna
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say Billie Jean and Billy Payne and so cute so the thing was it wasn't long before Janelle's feelings turned into an
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obsession with Bill oh no even though she kind of seemed to be able to hide it from her friend group for a little while
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things would not remain that way eek now like I said even though Janelle was in her late 20s by this point in time she'd
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never had any kind a romantic relationship or relationship at all with anybody before
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and since she wasn't upfront about how she felt about Bill Payne he didn't know and neither did Tracy
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so instead the brother sister Duo thought it would be a great idea actually to set Janelle up with a great
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guy that they knew yeah their second cousin Jamie curd okay Jamie had grown up in Mountain City just like his
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cousins and shared a lot of the same friends he was a big part he was a part of the larger friend group that Janelle
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was now in at this time okay and Jamie and Bill also worked together at the Parkdale Mills okay Jamie and Janelle
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hit it off instantly but like I said Janelle's parents were very overprotective so Janelle thought it
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would be a better idea if she kept this relationship a secret from them at first
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her and Jamie would just have quote 30 to 45 second phone calls with each other and on one of those phone calls Janelle
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mentioned to Jamie that her computer seemed to be having some kind of issue lately like she couldn't get it to work
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so he offered to come by and fix it and he came to the house several times a week to keep working on this computer
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and Janelle told her parents that she just knew him through a friend or she made up some kind of story yeah but the
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whole time he was fixing her computer which took hours and hours days and days she would sit with him and they would
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just chat until he was finished for the day yeah so they were you know it sounds
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like a me cute like a very cute look you know yep me cute yeah good exactly now once the computer was
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finally fixed though Janelle and Jamie needed a new way to keep in regular contact without being caught by
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Janelle's parents so Jaime came up with the idea to get Janelle a separate prepaid cell phone that she would only
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use for calls to him Janelle agreed she was like this is a great idea and to add to the thrill of
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the secret she quote instructed Jaime to hide the cell phone in a bush at the corner of her front yard where she could
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retrieve it see that just sounds like a girl like a young woman who has been sheltered her whole life
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this is very exciting and she's like I'm gonna live out my like you know book fantasy totally by like leave it in the
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bush in the corner of the yard and I'll go get it she was and she ends up being described as very like very into fantasy
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it makes sense like I see that like that that excited her that she was like oh I
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get to do this like little mission to go get it I love that yeah like my yeah it's like it's exactly what I thought of
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because it's like this like clandestine thing like I get to go get it from the bush in the corner of the
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leave it for me you know what I mean and I'm sure she's seen like a million [ __ ] movies at this point in a
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million TV shows and she's like all that I have to do it who doesn't want to be a
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book character I who does me I want to be a book character all the time yeah you know you know
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so the couple's plan worked for a few weeks but eventually Janelle's mother Barbara which I'm just now realizing is
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very teen mom-esque oh yeah Janelle and Barbara I forgot I'm done about the phone and she got rid of it no more
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making calls with your boyfriend wow I love that show all right at least wow so she she found the phone she was like
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goodbye but Jamie actually just ended up getting Janelle another phone which he again hid in the front bushes they
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didn't come up with a better idea I was gonna say you gotta move it she didn't find it in the bushes I think she just
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found like Janelle using it he's like what the [ __ ] is that yeah but I'm like you had a second opportunity to like do
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something even cooler yeah put it somewhere else yeah you know but anyway she she continued to use that
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phone strictly to calls to Jamie so things that went on like this for about six months with Janelle and Jamie
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sneaking around behind her parents back but by early 2010 a lot of Janelle's friends kind of noticed a shift in her
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behavior it was a bit a pretty big change in her personality and it seemed her personality seemed to shift right
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around the time that bill Payne started dating Billie Jean Hayworth she was a local girl who he and Jamie
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actually both worked with at the Mills Jamie said that bill and Billie Jean quote hit it right off and Bill just
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fell head over heels in love with her oh and they look like they love each other
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so much in all their pictures yeah I want to take like a little time to talk about the two of them before we get back
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to the story they seem to be meant for each other the two of them had a lot in common and they like I said seemed to
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bring out the best in each other Billie Jean Hayworth had been born in Mountain City Tennessee on March 19 1988. her
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parents were Carl and Martha Hayworth she had two sisters Janie and Beverly and two brothers Greg and Daryl and when
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she was growing up she really loved to be outside she loved to play volleyball and the older and older she got
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especially when she was a young adult and kind of making her own money one of the things that she loved to do was go
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to different like flea markets yard sales auctions and just see what treasure she could find she looked like
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that loved a good flea market flip oh hell yeah which is one of my favorite shows
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now Bill Payne had been born in Boone North Carolina on July 10 1975 to parents Billy Ray Payne he was named
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after his father I love all the bellies here I do too I love it and Beverly Duggar his wife just like Billy excuse
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me his life just like Billy jeans was average he got along with his parents got along with his sis his siblings he
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had the sister Tracy that we know about and also a brother named Josh okay and just like Billie Jean he also grew up
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loving to go to the flea markets the auctions the yard sales only he had a thing for Rare Coins oh that's like a
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really cute Niche like having to love [ __ ] cute it's just like I like Rare Coins yeah I loved collecting a rare or
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even just like looking at them just yeah that's just so actually you know what my
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brother used to JP used to yeah collect Rare Coins yeah they're very neat things but they're
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funny that's adorable that's adorable JP now as he got older Bill he unfortunately suffered with an addiction
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to opioids and he was also known at this time to sell drugs when things were bad
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but at the time of his death he was getting treatment at a local clinic and he was working hard to become sober good
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for him he wanted to be the best father that he could be to his kids because in addition to the young son that he had
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with Billie Jean he actually also had a son Justin that lived in Florida with his mother okay unfortunately he
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couldn't really see Justin very often because he lived in Florida yeah but he was trying for his sons yeah and for
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Billie Jean and by all accounts Billie Jean was one of the best things to happen to Bill Payne and she was a
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really good influence on him since she'd come into his life his friends started to notice he was drinking less he was
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shown up to parties less he wanted to get off drugs and completely away from them for good he wanted to make a life
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with this girl I love that but remember Bill wasn't the only person in a state of change Janelle was too but hers was
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not for the good Tracy Greenwell noticed the shift and said that Janelle seemed to become mean around the time that bill
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and Billie Jean got together she'd make comments about Billie Jean and how much she disliked her when Jaime would tell
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Janelle that she shouldn't be so hard on this girl because Bill Payne was really
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in love Janelle would just made comments about their relationship not lasting she
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was like I give it this amount of time okay or like it's not gonna last like blah blah blah it's like why are you
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being a hater yeah that's bad energy it is yeah and she got even nastier when Billie Jean became pregnant with her and
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Bill's baby Janelle would comment that neither of them deserved the baby oh and she she would say things that I'm not
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even gonna repeat about the baby oh my gosh she was horrible ew horrible you can look it up oh her comments became
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worse and worse and worse over time but her mean Spirit wasn't just directed toward Bill and Billie Jean a lot of it
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was but not entirely it was even directed at her own boyfriend Jamie on one occasion in February Jaime had
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gone to a party at Bill Payne's house and he had too much to drink so he ended up passing out there he woke up at some
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point to his phone ringing off the hook and had been ringing all night I don't know if like the phone uh will come up
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or if somebody there was like Jesus Christ answer your [ __ ] phone yeah but when he answered it it was Janelle's
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father buddy on the other line oh and he told Jamie a quote Janelle had left the
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house and they found her in a ditch what he went on to say that Janelle didn't love Jamie and he needed to stay away
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from Janelle from that point forward and then Janelle got on the phone and told Jamie for herself that she didn't love
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him and she never wanted to see him again what the [ __ ] out of [ __ ] nowhere but then three days later Jamie
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got a call from Janelle telling him that she did love him and she did want to continue on with their relationship and
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it was her dad that made her say those awful things to him from that point forward she told them that she should be
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the one to initiate phone calls I I don't know what that was about I think like like you initiated that phone call
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yeah but anyways I think what happened the night of that party in my personal opinion I think Janelle was upset for a
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number of reasons I think one of the main ones was that she couldn't go to parties like that yeah her parents
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wouldn't allow her to even though she was a grown-ass woman and I think the other thing that she was pissed off
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about was that this was Bill Payne's party she wouldn't have wanted to miss that and I think since she was so angry
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at him now she felt like Jamie going to that party was him going against her betrayal in some way by being cordial
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with his own cousin okay and because of that I think she wanted to punish him and make him feel like something
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terrible had happened to her because she was so upset over this which is why her
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parents found her in a ditch yep I also don't know if they like actually did find her in a dish or did she just made
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that up or did you just completely make that up I could see it being the latter honestly I could see it being the former
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too actually to release families wild this is a wild family yeah like I'm a little scared to see what's happening
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now you absolutely should yeah yeah um I just honestly overall I think this was like a weird strange Ploy for
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attention but Jamie of course didn't realize that he liked Janelle I think she kind of stroked his ego he was a bit
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older than she was and she was kind of infatuated with him and vice versa so they continued dating
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even though their conversations were limited to really odd hours of the day and night because Janelle didn't want to
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be caught by her mom talking on the phone with him that's wild and they weren't able to go on dates because her
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parents disapproved of him now over time Jamie's feelings toward his cousin Bill and Billie Jean also
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shifted most likely due to Janelle's manipulation Bill and Jamie had worked together like I said at the Mills for
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years and they had always been close they'd always gotten along remember bill was the one to set Jaime and Janelle up
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in the first place yeah but now Jamie was suddenly pulling back from his cousin and was becoming distant and
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actually went as far as to request a change in his work schedule so that his hours wouldn't line up with bills or
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Billy jeans what because she also worked at the Mills now since Janelle wasn't able to see
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Jaime very often and by this point her parents had pretty much forbidden her from seeing any of the rest of the
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friend group she poured herself even further into social media now it was late in 2010 and it was around this time
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that Janelle started to mention a man named Chris to Jaime and a lot of her other friends
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she told Jamie that Chris was a family friend a neighbor back in Pennsylvania she said he grew up in the house next to
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hers he was really more like a brother to her all throughout high school and he always watched out for her
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and now he worked for the CIA and she was super super excited because he was actually going to be transferred to
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Tennessee soon and he would actually be buying a house in Mountain City and she was super super stoked about it and like
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I said Jamie wasn't the only one to hear about Chris this Chris character one of
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Janelle's friends online strictly online they never met in person Bob Meehan also
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remembered that right around mid to late 2010 Janelle kept bringing up Chris more
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and more frequently Bob also lived in Pennsylvania where she was from and though he'd never met Janelle in person
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he actually thought that they were in a long distance relationship oh they texted they exchanged emails they were
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social media friends oh boy he thought they were in a relationship okay I don't know what she thought that's that but
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that's that about that and that's the T on that now other friends of hers online
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remembered her bringing up Chris too and most of them remembered that she described him as a family friend not
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like Allah love interest or anything like that just an old friend who now worked for the CIA
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which we all have one of those aren't you like not supposed to tell people if you work for the CIA I'm pretty sure I
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feel like can you tell people that you do I don't know I don't know what the protocol is I'm pretty sure like the
00:27:44
whole point of the CIA is to be pretty secretive about it like I just thought that too and pretty
00:27:51
secretive whereabouts but right but sure it's like tell everybody tell everybody the CIA agent is moving
00:28:00
in yeah via Facebook too Facebook via Facebook Messenger I don't see this happening it seems legit Chris is real
00:28:06
guys this seems real he is yeah this really is he is he's a real character yeah emphasis on the character exactly so
00:28:15
this sudden mention of Chris seemed to happen right around the time that Janelle found out Billie Jean was
00:28:21
pregnant and also right around the time that Janelle started complaining to Jamie that she was being bullied and
00:28:27
harassed on all of her social media platforms oh all of a sudden these Anonymous users started posting all
00:28:34
these terrible things about her and on her wall and messaging her all Anonymous users okay on Facebook I was just gonna
00:28:42
say on Facebook yeah I thought that was hard and also um another social media platform she used was topics
00:28:49
the [ __ ] is that I've never heard of that in my life neither had I I don't know if it just
00:28:55
like didn't get big over here like you don't know if it didn't get me because it didn't get big over here like do any
00:29:01
of you use topics I don't know if it's around anymore but did you use topics guys answers it's topics with an X too
00:29:07
topics me let me know it like um it it uh news based on like where you were and you could also interact with people
00:29:17
in your area again oh okay I've literally never heard of it sounds like fascinating then neighbor app I don't
00:29:23
know what oh it's called but the neighbor app I know what you mean you know you know what I'm talking about the
00:29:27
one where you can be like hey did you see that person driving down the street I never interact in there but I'm
00:29:33
always reading I love a neighbor app we love we do be loving those are my social
00:29:39
media apps the neighbor apps where we can all Spy on each other you know what my favorite social media app is doordash
00:29:44
hell yeah I communicate with one person and one person only and they always bring me food I shouldn't say always
00:29:50
actually sometimes I was gonna say sometimes they steal not very frequently but anyways at the same time uh that
00:29:58
Janelle was getting harassed and bullied and I do Jamie started getting texts from Chris
00:30:05
so he is real oh he's getting texts from him yeah yeah you can't fake that he's like no not at all he's like Janelle is
00:30:11
getting bullied mercilessly and it needed to stop I feel like you're the CIA and you figured it that's what he's
00:30:19
that's what he's saying yeah So eventually Chris started emailing Jamie telling him more and more about the
00:30:24
Relentless online bullying and how he needed to put an end to it being her boyfriend but strangely the emails were
00:30:31
coming from Janelle's email account they're coming from inside the house they literally are coming from inside
00:30:36
the house yeah and when Jamie asked why that was Chris told him that he had a phobia of phones and didn't like using
00:30:42
them apparently he was also against having his own email address as well he has a phobia of phones like sir you work
00:30:49
I mean sexual intelligence I don't I don't like answering a phone call like a cold call is pretty don't ever [ __ ]
00:30:56
call it's a severe violation in my book if we're friends and you cold called yeah that's gonna be a problem but I
00:31:02
would definitely not classify it as a phobia I don't even know if there is a phobia I don't know I think you might
00:31:08
have a photo of like texting but even I don't say yeah does anyone else get like I'm sorry
00:31:14
I'm gonna take you out no no just really quick because I just need to know does anyone else get severe anxiety about
00:31:19
texting and does anybody else prefer to answer text messages on their laptop yeah I don't like typing on my phone and
00:31:27
then I I get anxious when I get text messages and then I don't answer them right away because like I am who I am
00:31:33
and then I keep thinking about it and days go by and I go oh no I'm a week past this text message that I didn't
00:31:41
answer and then yeah or anxiety and then I just it's so I hate it it's the one thing that I get a lot of anxiety about
00:31:50
you're waiting on a text back from Elena it's come on it's coming I'm just real anxious about it okay it's coming up
00:31:57
yeah she's just really anxious she'll get back to you soon oh yeah that's that's my theme song
00:32:08
but yeah I just had to throw that out there if you feel that way as well you're not alone well Chris felt that
00:32:14
way he said no phones that way yep the CIA doesn't make us use them nope it's also like okay you're gonna have a
00:32:20
phobia of phones but where the [ __ ] is your email address oh that's the thing you have one you have not explained all
00:32:24
of this sir I have no idea but Jamie would later say that he could tell the difference between an email or a text
00:32:30
that came from Chris because Chris was way more intense than Janelle Janelle quote never cursed never called people
00:32:36
names or spoke hatefully to people what a kind soul yeah but Jamie said that Chris's Communications were full of
00:32:43
obscenities ranting and harmful wishes toward others specifically Billie Jean and Bill Payne
00:32:50
and he's a CIA agent okay I'm just putting together the pieces here that's probably great quality staff at a CIA
00:32:56
agent wouldn't you also think like in my opinion I would think that like even somebody's monitoring the cia's
00:33:02
communications yeah I mean this is adding up this is legit yeah I feel pretty comfortable with this you know
00:33:08
anyways but when Chris wasn't going off about the couple he would give Jamie advice on how to better his relationship
00:33:15
with Janelle you know because like the CIA also doubles as your own personal therapist absolutely yeah so when Jamie
00:33:22
asked Janelle about what was going on online she told him that this harassment really came out of nowhere and like I
00:33:29
said was I said like I said so many times during this like I said sorry I will come up with something else but was
00:33:35
a slew of anonymous comments to her Facebook page telling her she was a bad person and this is intense that they
00:33:42
were gonna have her raped oh my God yeah that's horrific the comments had escalated so much over the course of a
00:33:49
couple of weeks that Janelle's mother Barbara actually ended up posting her own comment to Janelle's wall begging
00:33:55
the anonymous comment commentators to stop and not please not do this to her daughter that's awful like Barbara was
00:34:01
really distraught over this yeah of course but just delete your Facebook exactly yeah that was happening again
00:34:06
we're just like make a new one with like a different name but so Barbara was really really concerned but this was
00:34:13
interesting because Janelle's friends didn't really seem to be too concerned about this they felt like there was
00:34:19
something really suspicious about all of this yeah and they didn't really seem to
00:34:23
think any of it was real Tracy Greenwald yeah Tracy Greenwell later said quote Janelle was always saying that somebody
00:34:30
was mad at her somebody hated her somebody wanted to kill her she was paranoid about it ah so Janelle was
00:34:36
frustrated that her friends didn't believe her and she insisted that the danger she was facing was very real and
00:34:43
over weeks the tension was building and building and Janelle was starting to point the finger at four people within
00:34:49
her very own friend group hmm a girl named Lindsay Thomas the girl the first girl who had ever befriended her in this
00:34:56
town Tracy Greenwell Tracy's brother Bill Payne and Bill Payne's girlfriend Billie Jean ah come on now within this
00:35:04
same time period Janelle called the police to her home and reported that a rock had been thrown into her front yard
00:35:09
and it had the names Billy Payne and Billie Jean painted on it and she felt like this was proof that they were the
00:35:15
ones behind all the harassment okay so to retaliate she started posting on Facebook calling Lindsay Thomas and
00:35:24
Billie Jean mean girls and sharing screenshots that were clearly doctored and manipulated to seem like these girls
00:35:31
were harassing her wow doesn't seem like they were wow but because of this sudden
00:35:36
shift in her behavior and resulting turmoil pretty much everybody in the friend group ended up unfriending her
00:35:42
yeah of course and they all removed themselves from her orbit to kind of save themselves from the drama of it all
00:35:48
and the rest of them were like Jesus Christ one is she gonna turn on me of course yeah so Janelle just kept on
00:35:53
posting about them though Lindsay Thomas actually called Janelle on the phone on
00:35:58
one occasion when she found out that Janelle was writing about her on Facebook and she was like please can you
00:36:02
just like stop this like you gotta stop girlfriend what a terrible era we live in oh my God I know where these things
00:36:09
are like this person wrote this about me on Facebook oh God high school and so the pendulum has to
00:36:16
swing the other way eventually seriously and mind you these are people in there like like 20s and 30s yeah it's like
00:36:22
what what are you doing it's still happening I mean there being these other people are being dragged into this yeah
00:36:27
it's crazy but some of them some of them kind of start to partake a little bit I think they
00:36:32
start getting pissed off that they of course people get sucked into that exactly no anyways according to Lindsay
00:36:37
Janelle told her when she called her that she had no idea what she was talking about and she said she wasn't
00:36:42
posting anything about Lindsay or Billy or Billie Jean nobody yet right after this exchange Lindsay started getting
00:36:51
calls from The Potter's home line where the caller would just breathe heavily but other than that say nothing at all
00:36:58
like girly star 69 it seriously come on but there were a couple of instances though where a man got on the phone
00:37:06
Lindsay said she believed this man was Janelle's father buddy and he would demand that Lindsay and her friends
00:37:11
leave his daughter alone stop calling his house like end the nonsense even though she was the one getting the phone
00:37:19
calls she did not call them wow like what wow so in May 2011 shifting gears a little bit Jamie kurd's mother passed
00:37:29
away and it was around this time that Janelle's Family actually started being more welcoming toward him they still
00:37:34
didn't want Jamie and Janelle to have a relationship with each other but they were like you know you fix our computer
00:37:40
computer you're decent enough you can be Janelle's friend but like you can't date
00:37:44
her you can be around you can be around now he got an invite for family dinners holiday celebrations and strangely
00:37:50
enough actually in no time at all he and Janelle's father buddy were like thick as thieves they really hit it off
00:37:56
now that same month May of 2011. Lindsay Thomas ended up filing a telephone harassment or multiple telephone
00:38:04
harassment charges against Janelle who still seemed to be calling ever so frequently God give it up even though
00:38:11
Lindsay knew that it was Janelle who was responsible for the calls since there were two other adults that lived in the
00:38:16
home she couldn't prove it and because of that there really wasn't a lot that law enforcement could do yeah and
00:38:22
because she wasn't being stopped by anybody Janelle continued her social media escapades and now she was trying
00:38:29
to bring more and more of this group of friends and even people outside of this group of friends into her Feud with
00:38:34
Lindsay Billie Jean Bill Payne and Tracy one acquaintance of all these people including Janelle Tara Osborne would
00:38:42
later end up testifying that when she tried to remove herself from the drama she got an email from a Facebook account
00:38:48
linked to Janelle she answered the email saying that she wasn't interested in having any part of this she was like
00:38:53
please God just leave me alone yeah and she she was like Janelle please don't contact me again and then she blocked
00:38:59
the user okay she then started getting phone calls similar to the ones that let me tell Lindsay Thomas was getting but
00:39:06
the and these calls were also from the part Potter household except this caller quote tried to make noises from a horror
00:39:13
movie and had an insanity laugh tried to make noises from a horror movie unfortunately no further elaboration on
00:39:22
that damn it I really want to know what that entails what would those like do you think she'd just been heavy
00:39:29
breathing Maybe I always noises from a horror movie make me think of those like really like like
00:39:36
the strings that are like you know maybe some some heavy piano wow oh oh maybe she did like a ch
00:39:46
maybe that'd be fun or she was like don't do that to people Freddy's coming for you three yeah
00:39:53
what's your favorite scary movie that kind of thing oh my God yeah I wish that I
00:39:58
um was like a real person in the 90s and I could have pranked College people and
00:40:02
been like what's your favorite scary movie that was literally the most amazing thing to do yeah for years to
00:40:09
come fun I love it but yeah I don't I don't know yeah I don't know also an insanity laugh I don't really know
00:40:15
Insanity laugh either yeah I don't know I I just hear the wicked witch yeah yeah like a cackle yeah well anyways
00:40:25
um Osborne also tried to file telephone harassment charges against Janelle but a
00:40:29
clerical clerical error caused her case to be dismissed okay I love those clerical errors yeah I don't know now
00:40:36
while everybody was getting more and more concerned about the situation that Janelle was creating for them Janelle's
00:40:43
CIA buddy Chris he was getting pissed the [ __ ] off about the way she was being
00:40:47
treated and now Janelle's parents were hearing about Chris too and anytime Jamie curd would come over he and
00:40:55
Janelle's parents would talk about the latest ongoings in the feud and how concerned they were about their sweet
00:41:00
precious janelli Janelle's mother Barbara commented to Jamie that Chris was quote angry and firing back at
00:41:07
Thomas and Hayworth with emails and it was like a war hmm yeah neither of Janelle's parents
00:41:13
really understood what was going on probably because they were getting skewed information from Janelle yeah and
00:41:19
really they just wanted all of this to stop they were like what the [ __ ] is going on and like where did this come
00:41:23
from seriously the drama was affecting Janelle's Behavior with them too and it just felt like a constant barrage of
00:41:29
negativity coming at them from all angles yeah so this seems to be the Tipping Point in the story according to
00:41:37
Jaime buddy Potter talked a lot about his quote missions and other countries during his time in the CIA
00:41:45
Yes you heard that right Chris was not the only secret agent in this town baby what
00:41:52
buddy Potter also claimed to have worked for the agency huh uh-huh okay yeah okay that's that really that's
00:42:04
the that's the bet on that that's about that there you go but Jamie knew that buddy Potter was also an avid gun
00:42:10
collector not only were there tons and tons and tons of guns in the home but buddy Potter kept two strapped to him at
00:42:17
all times okay he would have one in a shoulder harness and another in a holster that he kept strapped around his
00:42:24
ankle there's actually a picture that I saw of him and Barbara gardening together and he has a gun strapped on
00:42:30
him and a um a sling of ammunition oh yeah I saw that in their gardening they're just
00:42:36
gardening I saw that and he is [ __ ] packed stacked uh yeah Pat he's packing he's packing
00:42:46
yeah whacked like let's go I am not a little innocent girl don't know how to say it
00:42:54
I'm like he has guns don't know how to say it he there was guns everywhere in this house he actually had to carry like
00:43:01
an oxygen tank around with him just he had like some medical problems of his own and there was ammunition slung
00:43:06
around his oxygen tank wow okay like a choice and a half a bold Choice bold move
00:43:13
but but Ian Barbara both seem to be getting more and more aggressive about the situation with Janelle and eager
00:43:19
Jamie felt to do whatever they needed to end it themselves and I think he was kind of starting to get a little bit
00:43:24
freaked out by this but at the same time Jamie would later say that when buddy and Barbara were getting aggressive
00:43:30
Janelle would just stay quiet and he was like I was really confused by this because whenever we talked about it
00:43:36
Janelle had no problem sharing her opinions freely discussing the whole entire Feud at length with me but around
00:43:42
her parents he put it that she quote acted like a needy kid to a parent manipulation at its finest as the
00:43:51
situation intensified Barbara actually started getting messages directly to her email account from CIA agent Chris
00:43:58
with no last name Chris Chris agent number zero zero zero one he seemed to be really serious when it
00:44:06
came to the threats being made against Janelle and he emphasized to Barbara that everybody should take them
00:44:11
seriously but also noted that he was monitoring this situation very closely and he was ready to jump in and take
00:44:18
care of things whenever it became necessary well thank goodness we have Chris I'm saying and Barbara was
00:44:23
terrified for her daughter which makes me sad and even though the Chris emails were still coming from Janelle's email
00:44:29
account she fully believed that this online bullying had reached the point where this CIA agent felt like he needed
00:44:36
to get involved oh man it's never been made clear whether or not Barbara was diagnosed with any kind of mental
00:44:43
illness or if she struggled cognitively but there are more than a handful of instances where family friends and
00:44:50
authorities have referenced her as being delusional and needing functional assistance okay so I think that's
00:44:56
important to keep in mind well that's sad it is exactly and I I wanted to say that part of it because you might be
00:45:02
sitting there being like Jesus Christ how does she believe yes but but like we don't know for sure but it's been
00:45:07
implied there's possibly more at play exactly now even before Janelle had moved to Mountain City and gone through
00:45:12
this falling out with her friends Barbara was almost overprotective to a fault remember what Christine said she
00:45:18
was like she was always going out of her way to solve things for Janelle like it wasn't good
00:45:24
but once this whole debacle intensified it kind of seemed to reach a point where
00:45:28
Barbara was paranoid like really intensely paranoid and the emails from Chris were only feeding that paranoia
00:45:35
more and more yeah and unfortunately in the summer of 2011 Janelle actually needed to be hospitalized this was due
00:45:43
to poor management of her diabetes but I think her family felt like it was brought on by what was going on this
00:45:50
actually wasn't uncommon for her to end up in the hospital because of the way she managed her diabetes or put the
00:45:56
timelines but the timelines yeah worked exactly [Music] thank you now while Janelle was
00:46:15
hospitalized the number of emails from CIA agent Chris to Jamie and Barbara reached a new level there were tons and
00:46:24
tons of emails being received daily almost like he got like a week off from work or something wow about the online
00:46:30
issues and Janelle's current situation with being hospitalized again all of these emails were coming from Janelle's
00:46:37
account but they knew that they were from Chris yeah one from Chris to Jaime rad quote I hope Janelle doesn't excuse
00:46:45
me I hope Janelle don't think about killing herself and Jamie responded saying I think that
00:46:51
if it wasn't for us she might have thought about it didn't say it but I can tell she has just took all she can from
00:46:57
these [ __ ] they won't let up and they're crazy hell I don't know why they have to do this I don't know I
00:47:04
don't know their life has to such at the point that they see this as a sick joke
00:47:08
or something dumb bastards and here's the thing if like like just stop being on social media at
00:47:18
the end like you're grown adults yeah just interact in life and cut those people out of your life if you want like
00:47:27
go play a video and now if you really have to like that's the thing go on Club Penguin like you don't nobody needs to
00:47:33
like because even if she was being bullied it's like you don't need to stand for that you can just go turn it
00:47:39
off yeah exactly the computer get a [ __ ] me like what the [ __ ] I'm saying well anyways Chris wrote back seemingly
00:47:47
trying to comfort Jamie and telling him that he wasn't alone in the fight against Janelle's bullies Chris was here
00:47:52
for Jamie and he even said that he had Lindsey Thomas under 24 7 surveillance at this time and that he had shot her
00:47:59
black girl a back glass out of her car which like I don't know if the CIA like shoots people's cars for you if you're
00:48:08
being bullied online I've never had that experience I've never had a friend who had that experience but this is an
00:48:15
interesting use of the cia's time and resources One mic that's what I'll say one might
00:48:21
say interesting now I don't think that actually happened to be honest I don't either it's like I I don't know wow I
00:48:29
don't know if anybody followed up on that they were just like buying her car or if you just took Chris's word for it
00:48:33
they they took Chris's word many many times over it seems like they lived for Chris's word they they did his word and
00:48:40
his word alone they lived and died by Chris's word but to be honest even though there were pending telephone
00:48:45
harassment charges and from time to time rebuttal posts on Facebook from the people that Janelle was pointing the
00:48:51
finger at they were all just going on with their lives and doing the best they could to avoid the drama and avoid Jamie
00:48:58
and Janelle they were like I I can't this would be so scary that someone to focused on you like that and you're like
00:49:04
I just want to live my life and like without you in it like please just go away when you never bullied them in the
00:49:11
first place I as we all know at this point I'm thinking this came from pure jealousy on
00:49:18
Janelle's part to Billie Jean yeah because Janelle had feelings for Bill Payne she never did anything about it
00:49:24
but because she liked him she felt like Billie Jean was in the wrong for dating him and it's like he's allowed to not
00:49:30
like you to not be attracted to you he might he might have even if he expressed those feelings but also
00:49:37
he's allowed to not be attracted to you yeah you can just be friends he doesn't have to like you just because you're a
00:49:43
woman right Jesus not everyone is attracted to everyone exactly you find people hot that I'm like I don't think
00:49:49
so and vice versa yeah you know it's like everybody has a different type exactly it's ridiculous
00:49:55
freaking ridiculous freaking ridiculous but everybody's trying to move on with this and Tracy Greenwell Bill Payne
00:50:03
Billie Jean and Lindsey Thomas were really specifically trying to rid themselves of this situation
00:50:09
but at that same time Chris was making sure that Jamie curd buddy and Barbara Potter were heavily immersed in this it
00:50:17
was consuming their lives at this way to live consuming it sounds like a [ __ ] nightmare it is now in late October of
00:50:25
2011 Lindsay Thomas actually um her telephone harassment case against Janelle went to court and unfortunately
00:50:32
was dismissed pretty quickly because again there wasn't a lot of proof I was gonna say those things are so hard to
00:50:37
prove exactly now this dismissal though seemed to embolden not only Janelle but Barbara Potter in the weeks that
00:50:45
followed they stepped up their harassment and actually just a few days after the court appearance Billie Jean
00:50:52
Hayworth was at a local gas station filling up her car with her baby in the back seat oh God and Janelle and Barbara
00:50:58
were in the car behind Belize and so they followed her into this gas station and they started screaming at her that
00:51:04
she was white trash and that she didn't deserve her son oh my God in like a slew
00:51:08
of other threats ew according to her close friend Linda who was actually working inside in the gas station at the
00:51:15
time Billy raced into the store with her baby and she was quote crying trembling
00:51:20
and shaking oh my God she was terrified of holding her baby just filling up her car yeah going about her day living her
00:51:28
life and there was also tension between Jamie Kurt and Bill Payne at this time the
00:51:34
cousins like remember their family yeah though they didn't have to work together
00:51:39
very often at the Mill anymore since Jamie had requested not to be scheduled at the same time as either person the
00:51:45
the couple there were instances where it was inevitable they were like you gotta
00:51:49
[ __ ] work together because that's the schedule yeah that's a schedule I'm still touring some of his work yeah
00:51:55
exactly during some of those instances there were arguments between the cousins especially over the fact that Jaime had
00:52:02
blindly taken Janelle's side without even hearing his own cousin's account of what was really going on
00:52:07
and Bill also knew that Jaime was going back to Janelle and telling her everything that had been said during
00:52:13
these arguments because then Janelle would take to social media and air everything out oh my God so he's like
00:52:18
I'm trying to talk to you like human to human man to man yeah this is so pathetic yeah exactly truly exactly now
00:52:27
finally there was one night where Bill actually called his cousin Jamie in an attempt to end the feud once and for all
00:52:32
he was like me and Billie Jean started keeping a record of emails and social media posts and comments directed at us
00:52:40
by Janelle and Barbara and he told them the file was now more than two inches thick she they have that much but agreed
00:52:48
that it wasn't just Janelle and Barbara involved in this fight he said there were hurtful remarks made on both sides
00:52:53
now that they were in the thick of this but this had all started with Janelle and now they were reaching a point of
00:52:59
being threatened and it needed to stop he was like you gotta do something dude as my cousin like you gotta stop yes
00:53:05
and he also told Jamie that there was no way an actual CIA agent was involved in
00:53:10
this and that Chris was clearly Janelle yeah I mean the emails were literally coming from her email account guys
00:53:17
they're coming from inside the house but Jamie did not believe that Janelle was capable of doing something like that and
00:53:24
so it seems like the call really ended with no resolution between the cousins wow and as the virtual Feud was making
00:53:30
its way into the real world the tone of Chris's emails to Barbara Potter was getting graphic and dire he kept urging
00:53:37
her that if she didn't stop all of this soon then quote all of this crap might kill her daughter
00:53:43
he told Barbara that he was ready and willing to kill Billie Jean Hayworth and Bill Payne and anybody else who posed a
00:53:50
serious threat to Janelle and Chris also kept mentioning that he wished buddy Potter still had his ID from his days in
00:53:57
the CIA because then they would be able to work together to quote neutralize this threat
00:54:04
wow as if the CIA wouldn't have a record of everyone who ever worked for them yeah
00:54:11
it's like what yeah so as Barbara buddy and Jamie were dragged further and further into this
00:54:19
strange fantasy-turned conspiracy that Janelle and this Chris character had created Janelle was still posting under
00:54:26
fake names across several social media platforms she was constantly calling Lindsay
00:54:31
Thomas and Billy Jane Billie Jean Hayworth mean [ __ ] saying that they should be punished and making vaguely
00:54:39
threatening comments toward the entire group that she considered to be her bullies
00:54:43
Chris actually started using Janelle's Facebook account during this time as well and really amped up in the last
00:54:50
months of 2011. in a post from December 14 2011 quote Chris posted a status on Janelle's account saying to Bill Payne
00:54:59
Billie Jean Hayworth Lindsay Thomas and Tara and Brad Osborne and Etc please leave l-e-v-e Janelle alone and stop
00:55:08
with the harassment and stop trying to run her life look at your own lives and work on that BC you are all just a bunch
00:55:15
of white trash no good ugly people that love to hurt others well you need to think of this take care of your kids
00:55:22
Billy and Billie Jean and Lindy get off your meth drugs and stop going after my sister and my family thank you or you
00:55:30
can just go jump off a mountain MTN for all I care you all need to get out of my
00:55:35
sister's life you know CIA things that's very CIA very see much CIA either every CIA a lot of
00:55:46
very professional yes so these posts were commented on over and over again by Barbara who started calling Chris her
00:55:55
son at this point Chris had started calling Janelle his sister so he she was like all right well he's my son then oh
00:56:02
there's a lot going on here there's a lot yeah of untreated mental illness in my own personal opinion yeah
00:56:08
but pretty much all of these posts just had a slew of comments from Barbara Chris and Janelle they were all talking
00:56:14
to each other back and forth and now Chris was saying that there were not only Janelle excuse me not only threats
00:56:20
to Janelle's life but to Buddy and Barbara's as well he had found evidence that people were after them now
00:56:26
I don't even know what's happening right now like this is wild wild.com now by the new year 2012 buddy believed that
00:56:34
Janelle's former friends were working on plans to quote take Janelle and cut her
00:56:39
head off and then kill him and his wife because that's what Chris had said he found he found my story God
00:56:47
so on the evening of January 30th 2012 Barbara called Jamie curd and asked if he would stop by the house to take a
00:56:53
look at their computer while Jaime was alone with Buddy Buddy asked if Jamie would quote do him a
00:57:00
favor he wanted Jaime to take him down to Bill Payne's house and quote let him out and
00:57:07
go down the road and come pick him up okay Jamie would later say that buddy wasn't being very specific about why he
00:57:14
wanted to go out to Bill's house that night so he left and went back to his own home
00:57:18
he was like I don't know about this but very early the next morning like first couple hours of the morning of January
00:57:24
31st 2012 Jamie missed a call from the Potter household and then he got a text from Janelle saying that Buddy was on
00:57:32
his way to his house Jamie's house when buddy got there they drove in buddy's car to a church parking
00:57:39
lot near the paint house and Bill shared the house with not only Billie Jean and
00:57:43
their son but his father as well now Jamie and Buddy waited in in the car until they saw paw bill which is Bill
00:57:51
Payne's Bill Payne senior okay until they saw him leave for work then they got out of the car
00:57:56
walked through a small field that was adjacent to the pain household Jamie later said that he explicitly told buddy
00:58:03
as they were crossing this field but he couldn't kill anybody but buddy told him
00:58:07
all he needed to do was stand out the door while buddy himself went in but if that was the case then why did Buddy
00:58:14
provide Jaime with a gun now when they reached the front door they found it unlocked and both men
00:58:20
entered the home Jaime stood by the front door he said this is Jamie's account and waited while buddy Potter went to
00:58:27
the first bedroom Jamie would later testify that he heard Bill Payne yell what the hell and then he saw Billie
00:58:33
Jean run out of the room down the hall Jamie then heard a gunshot and saw buddy Porter exit the room where he had
00:58:40
clearly just shot Bill Payne oh my God he was now looking for Billie Jean and he looked to Jaime to find out which
00:58:46
direction she'd gone in Jaime said he pointed in the direction where he saw Billie Jean run and while
00:58:52
buddy went in that direction Jamie looked into the first bedroom and saw his cousin lying dead
00:58:58
what the [ __ ] as he looked he heard another gunshot and at that point he said he ran from the house which I don't
00:59:05
buy back across the field and into buddy Porter's truck excuse me Potter's truck
00:59:11
[ __ ] autocorrect buddy returned to the car several moments later if Jamie said and Jamie
00:59:17
gave him his gun back and they silently drove back to Jamie's house where buddy dropped him off at the end of his
00:59:21
driveway Jamie said he vomited in the street before going inside and once he was inside he received a text from Chris
00:59:29
saying that the problem was now over wow so that's horrific it's it's insane like it was Jamie it
00:59:41
was um was Billy Jean was she holding her son when she was shot yeah that's why he was still in her arms oh it
00:59:51
seemed like she was taking him out of his crib like she was running with him to run with him she was standing in
00:59:55
front of his crib or when she was shot and fell in front of the crib and luckily somehow the baby wasn't harmed
01:00:02
and he was just sleeping just sleeping when they found him oh that breaks my heart yeah and that she was going to
01:00:08
like to save her to save her baby I think she probably was gonna run out the back but obviously was taking the baby
01:00:13
first oh so at 6 30 that same morning Brad Osborne who I think was like a bigger
01:00:20
part of the friend group because um I don't know if he was related to the woman from earlier who had gotten
01:00:25
involved in all of this or if he was dating her or married to her but he'd been involved in this whole Saga he knew
01:00:31
what this what was going on yeah he arrived at the pain house to pick Bill up for work one bill didn't come outside
01:00:37
after a few minutes Brad tried to give him a call but due to a quote unquote disruption in his cell service he wasn't
01:00:43
able to connect the call okay he either didn't have service or his phone had been turned off for some reason
01:00:49
he didn't want to leave without Bill though he was like let me go in and see what's up and he decided to go inside
01:00:54
and check on his friend so he entered the home through a sliding glass door at the rear of the house because he knew
01:01:00
that door was usually left unlocked and once he got inside he said he heard an alarm clock going off over and over
01:01:06
again but when he called out to Bill he got no response he used the house phone to call Bill's
01:01:12
cell phone again but he couldn't hear it ringing so he was like I don't really know what to do here I
01:01:18
don't think he wanted to venture more into the home because I think he maybe he felt like he was doing something
01:01:22
wrong but being there so he called a couple more times didn't hear anything so he decided to leave
01:01:29
now around 10 a.m just a few hours later the Payne's old neighbor Roy Stevens stopped by the house to pick up some
01:01:36
mail that they'd been holding for him and he noticed that both cars were still in the driveway and he was like that's
01:01:41
kind of weird like they should be at work or at least one of them should be yeah and he knocked on the door and got
01:01:46
no response though he's like all right well that's even weirder both cars are here why is nobody answering the door
01:01:51
yeah and he also knew that the pains usually left that back sliding glass door unlocked so he ran around went
01:01:58
around back to get in that way once he was inside he called out telling whoever was home that he was there but
01:02:05
he got no response he thought this was weird so he walked down the hall to the front bedroom he poked his head inside
01:02:12
and he saw Bill lying on the bed there was blood pooling around his head and his throat had actually been cut open oh
01:02:20
my God mm-hmm Roy ran out of the house and told his wife who had come along for the ride
01:02:25
what was going on and urged her to call 9-1-1 but his wife Linda was CPR certified and he wasn't sure whether
01:02:33
bill was still alive or not he couldn't tell how would you know exactly so Linda
01:02:38
tried to perform CPR but she found sure she was going to but she found Bill to be quote very stiff and ice cold oh so
01:02:46
she knew CPR wasn't going to do anything yeah and she picked up the house phone to call 9-1-1
01:02:52
as Linda was on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator Roy heard a noise coming from the end of the hall
01:02:58
I think it was the baby he followed the noise and found Billie Jean lying on the
01:03:03
floor in front of her son's crib with the baby still in her arms oh that just kills me luckily like I said unharmed
01:03:10
when he found Bill Payne's body like I said he thought there was a chance he was still alive but when he saw Billie
01:03:16
Jean he knew she was not alive he said that he saw the hole in her head a pool of blood around men and he saw a quote
01:03:23
fragments of Billie Jean's hair and stuff on the carpet oh God like absolutely I can't imagine finding
01:03:30
somebody you love like that no now once the bodies were taken into custody it was obvious that this was a
01:03:35
homicide and thus an autopsy was required by law so the coroner was able to determine that even though Bill had
01:03:42
that deep gash in his throat in both cases the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the head from a 38 caliber
01:03:49
revolver okay so the case was assigned to Johnson County Sheriff's Chief Deputy Joe
01:03:54
Woodward and he was to get assistance from a real special agent Special Agent Scott lot of potential Bureau of
01:04:03
Investigations or the TBI I also love that his name is Scott Law Scott Law that's [ __ ] awesome Scott agent Scott
01:04:10
Law is on the case so the duo started off by questioning friends and family of the murdered
01:04:15
couple and pretty instantly they heard about the social media war going on between them and a few other people in
01:04:21
town and Janelle Porter or Potter I keep wanting to say Porter I know they did however learn that bill Payne
01:04:28
had been using and dealing drugs at the time of his death through interviews and
01:04:33
they also had found a small amount of meth within the home and a pipe okay so they were like oh like like this could
01:04:40
be a lot of things exactly it complicated things for just a minute really yeah investigators were like is
01:04:46
there some kind of connection between this these deaths here in a local drug scene but they were quickly able to
01:04:52
learn that bill was not a major player in the scene at all he was a small time dealer he really only dealt to his
01:04:57
friends and none of those people had any reason to want him or Billie Jean yeah um so that kind of fizzled out pretty
01:05:04
quickly and the only other lead that they had to follow up on was the ongoing social
01:05:09
media Feud so on February 1st the day after the couple had been murdered Woodward and lot went out to the Potter
01:05:15
household to interview the family about their relationship with the murdered couple
01:05:19
they acted like they were in shock and told both investigators that they had just heard about the murders on the news
01:05:27
that morning and when the investigators asked about the issues that Janelle had been having
01:05:32
with the murdered couple and the other former friends she told them that Lindsay Thomas and Billie Jean Hayworth
01:05:39
had been unhappy about telephone harassment cases having been dismissed but since then there hadn't been any
01:05:45
further problems between them okay lies yeah she did say though that both women had hacked her Facebook account and
01:05:52
created a ton of fake profiles oh and for months they harassed Janelle and other friends that she'd made virtually
01:05:58
they just went out and harassed everybody she ever knew on her friends list yeah it's like weird that that
01:06:04
happened on your iPad Woodward and law asked why the other members of the group would say that
01:06:11
actually she was the one doing the harassing and she told them quote no no I'm not that mean I just tell people to
01:06:19
leave me alone and she said she thought the woman were jealous of her because she was too
01:06:25
pretty Janelle said this about herself okay which is like that's great that you have
01:06:30
a good self-image like you've Got Confidence but but that's not it also like we're talking about a murdered
01:06:37
woman here and you think she was jealous of you because you're too pretty like let's let's come back down to earth I
01:06:43
was just gonna say come on down to earth exactly like sure you're pretty but okay
01:06:47
like what so she said they also she also felt like they didn't accept her because she
01:06:53
hadn't been born and raised in Mountain City and they didn't like Outsiders that
01:06:58
was her excuse for everything that had ever happened to her in Mountain City it was everybody else in Mountain City's
01:07:04
fault yeah of course because they don't like Outsiders mean well they seem to be
01:07:08
pretty [ __ ] welcoming yeah it seemed like it Tracy went out of her way to introduce Janelle to her entire friend
01:07:13
group yeah they introduced her to her boyfriend yeah exactly geez but she explained that no matter how much she
01:07:20
begged them to stop they just wouldn't they terrorized her they told her they were gonna kill her kill her parents
01:07:26
they said they were gonna rape her and they repeatedly told her that they hoped she would die
01:07:31
on these fake accounts and Buddy and Barbara sat alongside their daughter and confirmed everything she'd told them
01:07:38
they added that there had been people shooting at the house recently throwing rocks in the yard with weird names
01:07:44
printed on them and that one day when Janelle was Home Alone somebody had come by and kicked in
01:07:50
the garage door oh yeah crazy look at that crazy crazy he's a crazy girl you crazy girl the more and more they heard
01:07:59
the stranger this all sounded this is an agent for the the Bureau of Investigation and he's like what the
01:08:06
[ __ ] he's like I don't think so and what stood out as particularly strange to agent law in particular was that Janelle
01:08:12
seemed to be minimizing Jamie kurd's involvement he was like I thought he was a bigger part of this whole friend group
01:08:17
like so why and he's he didn't know that Jamie curd was Janelle's boyfriend but he suspected it ah because Janelle
01:08:25
actually remember her parents still didn't know they were oh yeah because they're just supposed to be friends she
01:08:29
denied that she and Jamie were romantically involved I'm yeah and she seemed to be stirring any questions they
01:08:36
had about him in the opposite direction like any time they asked about Jamie she
01:08:41
danced around it okay and it's like why are you trying so hard not to talk about
01:08:45
Jamie hmm she was like nope we're just friends and sometimes he comes by to help the computer the end okay
01:08:51
she was going out of her way to talk about anything and anyone other than Jamie which only made investigators want
01:08:57
to talk to him even more yeah of course it was a horrible idea so the first interview they had with
01:09:02
Jamie was two days after this it was a pretty unproductive meeting other than the fact that he agreed to take a
01:09:08
polygraph test other than that he claimed he knew nothing about the murders he really
01:09:12
didn't have anything to say but then he was picked up again for an interview on February 6th and this time
01:09:19
investigators would get the break in the case that they'd been hoping for in his previous interview Jamie had
01:09:26
failed that polygraph test miserably of course he did miserably not one part of me believed he
01:09:34
was gonna pass that or even slightly past that which like again who knows if they're even exactly they're not like
01:09:39
wolf this one works for this one he specifically got like really bad reviews I guess I don't know how to pick up bad
01:09:48
reviews and when he responded no to whether or not he knew the identity of pain and hayward's killer he got bad
01:09:55
reviews he really flunked that question like a whole group of people a home group of internet trolls came in and
01:10:00
were like once I wish I could give this zero Stars zero stars and this answer I would give it zero Stars if I could we
01:10:08
were all rooting for you it's not funny but but that part's funny that part's funny exactly but he did
01:10:16
really bad on that question he got bad reviews overall not when the investigators told him this that he had
01:10:22
gotten such bad reviews he finally said that he did play some role in The Murders oh he confessed he was just like
01:10:29
you know what he's like you know what yeah but that it was Buddy Porter God damn it Potter Jesus Potter
01:10:36
uh autocorrect messed me up once and then like and that's it the rest is history
01:10:41
um buddy Potter had pulled the trigger both times Jamie said he also asked while he was in his interview if anybody
01:10:49
from the CIA was there which greatly confused the detectives they were like no they're like no we're local
01:10:56
detectives they don't usually come around for this type of thing no but like why do you ask yeah and he was like
01:11:02
no no just wondering no it's nobody from the same important Chris secret stuff Chris are you there yeah and they were
01:11:08
like oh so it's like [ __ ] you Jamie you pointed in the direction of Village going to save her child eight pieces 23
01:11:16
year old mother like piece of sugar you're all your cousin's like probably soon to be wife yeah like what is the
01:11:24
mother with his child exactly the mother of your third cousin is that how that works I don't know how that works
01:11:30
um but yeah family like just yeah the mother of your family and your family but anyway the detectives asked Jamie
01:11:37
after he confessed to call up buddy Porter and see if he could get him to talk about what had happened that way
01:11:43
they could try to get a taped confession So Jamie called the house that same night February 6th and there was some
01:11:49
small talk between him and Barbara at first because she was the one to answer the phone
01:11:54
during this little small talk Barbara said that she'd gotten an email from Chris telling her that Jamie had been
01:12:00
arrested and she asked him Point Blank have you taken a lie detector test and if you did did you pass it he lied
01:12:10
to Barbara and he said I did but I passed it no no and he was like can I talk to buddy so she puts him on the
01:12:17
phone but he gets on the phone and immediately asked Jamie if he quote got rid of everything from bills wow Jamie
01:12:26
responded telling buddy that he had and buddy said okay that makes me feel a lot
01:12:30
better I'm so happy that he's a [ __ ] idiot that's great I'm really glad he's a [ __ ] idiot seemsies so now
01:12:37
investigators were able to get an arrest warrant for Buddy Potter based on Jaime's confession and that phone
01:12:43
conversation and they were also able to get a warrant to search the Potter home for evidence good yeah we're winning but
01:12:50
he was taken into custody without incident and the authorities who searched the home were able to seize a
01:12:55
[ __ ] ton of potential evidence including but not limited to the family computer a
01:13:01
spiral notebook containing the passwords to a large amount of social media accounts ah two guns which I'm like
01:13:07
that's it one of which was a 38 caliber pistol and as one investigator approached a stack
01:13:13
of papers next to the couch where Barbara and Janelle were sitting Barbara started grabbing the papers and ripping
01:13:19
them in half are you [ __ ] me as if there were multiple officers and agents sitting
01:13:25
there right in front of her they're like gal man you can't do that you've pressed
01:13:30
an incorrect key wow so agent Woodward was like what the [ __ ] are you doing like stop and give me those so she had
01:13:36
to hand them over she had no choice and what those papers were were a large number of printed emails and screenshots
01:13:42
from social media which included several photos printed out of Billie Jean Hayworth one of which had been labeled
01:13:51
Billy [ __ ] oh my God like they're just living in this house with [ __ ] printed out screenshots of social media
01:14:01
yes the most pathetic group of human beings I have ever heard of like this is wow and it's just like Twisted this 23
01:14:11
year old woman this 23 year old mother yeah you're sitting there writing Billy [ __ ] like oh go [ __ ] yourself like what
01:14:19
is wrong with you it's giving like if the fire five Firefly family was like really invested in Facebook honestly the
01:14:26
Firefly family is so much [ __ ] cooler than this absolutely but way cooler than
01:14:31
these you know what I'm saying it's just like it's yucky oh it's dirty honestly they're like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
01:14:39
family yes to be quite honest like just sitting in a house like the fireflies are at least fun filled with guns and
01:14:45
ammunitions and social media printouts and pictures of victims yeah instead of like raw meat like the Texas Chainsaw
01:14:53
Massacre family they have social media printouts everywhere in the original one it was all real yeah they all sit in
01:15:00
that really hard for like a long ass time listen to scream but yeah that's they're they're that family yeah for
01:15:07
realsies so during Buddy's interrogation he decided uh excuse me he denied having
01:15:12
any involvement in the murders and said that Jamie was just throwing him under the bus oh shut up he reiterated that
01:15:18
Janelle was being harassed by these people and he actually added his own account into the mix telling both of the
01:15:24
investigators that one time he had been in a public bathroom and he heard people
01:15:28
quote talking about kidnapping Janelle from this bathroom taking her to a field raping her because she was a virgin and
01:15:35
murdering her and they were like wow yeah that sounds legit wow like what no that didn't
01:15:44
happen yeah no that's no yeah no [Music] so Woodward and lot then shifted the conversation because they were like I
01:16:04
don't really know where to go from here I guess we'll turn all the lights down now but uh wow look at you but anyways
01:16:10
they switched the topic of conversation to Janelle's relationship with Jamie but
01:16:15
buddy insisted that they were just friends and that any feelings either of them had toward the other had been quote
01:16:20
straightened out a long time ago ew like what like what what are you why can't you just have feelings for this
01:16:28
man you're just like you're so gross he said that Jamie would never have been capable of taking care of his daughter
01:16:33
and that was why he and Barbara wouldn't allow the relationship man weird so Buddy's interview went on
01:16:39
for hours he repeatedly denied having any involvement in the murders he said he knew Bill Payne was a drug dealer and
01:16:46
that this whole thing was probably a drug deal gone bad but this all changed when the agents
01:16:52
brought his wife Barbara into the acacia equation they were like well does Barbara know that you did this does
01:16:57
Janelle know that you did this and he broke down whoa the bringing his wife and his daughter into it somehow
01:17:08
broke him wow and I knew they did they always know so as they saw that he was breaking down
01:17:14
they were like why don't you call Barbara you gotta let her know like wow they were playing like that's high level
01:17:21
like irrigation [ __ ] give her a call wow you know so he gets Barbara on the phone
01:17:27
and he confesses telling her that he killed Billie Jean and Bill quote because of what they tried to do to her
01:17:32
and Janelle wow and Barbara kept trying to save face though and she sat on the phone multiple times no you couldn't
01:17:39
have been involved quote you were here on the night of the murders I saw you you're not guilty because you were here
01:17:46
you have to say that see to me that sounds like there's there's something going on there
01:17:53
like the way the way she said that seems like she's like like we said there seems
01:17:59
to be some undiagnosed mental illness happening definitely and that response to me is like no you told me that I was
01:18:06
supposed to say this yeah like you know what I mean like no like this is the story I was like wait you mean you don't
01:18:11
think he did it oh no I do I was like no he definitely did it but like I think she her response is very telling of
01:18:18
where her uh her eyes I agree totally it's also like ma'am this is a recorded line don't say you have to say that yeah
01:18:28
I don't know that's why but buddy wouldn't and he'd already confessed anyway and then this phone call was even
01:18:33
more damning yep so remember how I said that Jamie had asked about the CIA in his second interview and the cops were
01:18:39
like what yeah he explained to them then that there was the CIA agent named Chris that was a
01:18:45
family friend of the potters and that it was his duty his assignment to keep Janelle safe wow and they were like I I
01:18:53
think this is all random nonsense like I don't know what you're talking about but
01:18:56
like I don't have time to to deal with that right now but as they continued to search the Potter household they would
01:19:03
find out just how serious Jaime was being and just how scared he was they took into custody multiple trash bags of
01:19:10
shredded paper that had been found in the back of buddy's truck it took them about a month but they were
01:19:17
re they were able to reassemble the over 100 pages that had been shredded what like imagine holy [ __ ] and when they did
01:19:27
they realized that this entire case was a very strange conspiracy theory involving someone who claimed to be a
01:19:36
CIA agent that had been quote corresponding with Barbara and warning her about threats to her daughter's life
01:19:43
that was like the theme of those emails that they were able to put together so they tried and tried and tried to
01:19:52
locate a CIA agent with the description of Chris um but they were never able to find anybody
01:19:59
who slightly resembled that description uh in the CIA what I know I really buried believe holy [ __ ] talk
01:20:10
about a plot twist they couldn't find him it was like he didn't even work there it's like he doesn't even exist
01:20:16
it's like that oh my goodness so the Deep gracious and deeper you said gracious that they dug they realized and
01:20:23
I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that Chris was just one of Janelle's online personas it was her all along oh I had
01:20:32
no idea but to Barbara Chris was very very real they had exchanged a myriad of emails and texts and Barbara even shared
01:20:41
pictures of him on social media saying Chris our son oh that is that's very sick what's even sicker what's even more
01:20:50
[ __ ] up is that those pictures were of a man named Chris a guy that Janelle had gone to high
01:20:58
school with oh my they weren't friends this random guy named Chris who she went to high
01:21:04
school with yes can you imagine being Chris he ended up being called to testify in this case oh my God poor
01:21:10
Chris I know oh that sucks I would be so [ __ ] angry I would be pissed I'd be why everybody should go delete Facebook
01:21:19
right now go delete your Facebook [ __ ] that can you imagine she just took them
01:21:25
off of his account oh my God I would be irate just like I would be on that stand
01:21:30
being like I'm gonna [ __ ] kill everybody because are you kidding well and then they're like okay do you have
01:21:35
any connection to her and he was like no we went to high school together oh but I
01:21:39
don't it's not it doesn't even seem like they were friends in high school that sucks yeah poor Chris poor Chris wow so
01:21:45
once investigators reassembled the shredded Communications and looked at them with more context D.A Dennis Brooks
01:21:52
developed his own theory about the origins of this Chris character he said quote social media allowed Janelle
01:21:59
Potter to be somebody that she wasn't she invented Chris so that she could be as hateful as she wanted to be yep and
01:22:05
Chris had entered the picture right around the time that Billie Jean and Billy and excuse me Bill Payne started
01:22:10
dating and it was clear reading through the communications that this man was not
01:22:14
a CIA agent yeah he focused on how pretty and sweet Janelle was not at all your typical Behavior
01:22:21
and then they realized that all of the communications from Chris and anyone he spoke with whether it be through mail
01:22:27
social media or text all came from Janelle's accounts the fact that that was just overlooked
01:22:33
like it was her phone number come on like when she was when these people were getting texts from Chris it was coming
01:22:40
from Janelle's phone yeah her Call's coming from within the house also when they compared Chris's writing
01:22:47
with Janelle's it was identical she had a very specific style of writing she often made spelling mistakes and grammar
01:22:54
mistakes and coincidentally Chris made those exact same ones particularly um like she spelled worry w-o-r-r-i-e
01:23:03
um those are very specific um like there were there's a few others but like they're all very specific yeah
01:23:12
it's very specific words there's a few more I wish I'd written them down but um but yeah yeah so buddy Porter and Jamie
01:23:19
kurd were indicted for the murders and while some Mountain City citizens were shocked many who worked in law
01:23:25
enforcement or law administration were not at all shocked by this really they had become familiar with Janelle and her
01:23:32
parents throughout the years that they'd lived in their own City the Mayor Mike Reese put it this way to the Press once
01:23:40
you've crossed Janelle you've crossed her father too oh even the stranger aspects of the case actually sounded
01:23:46
familiar to anybody who had a quote unquote run in with Janelle the mayor like this girl was on the mayor's radar
01:23:54
yeah that's pretty big he actually said this is wicked bizarre yeah he said that a year or so earlier The
01:24:02
Potters were upset specifically buddy like had called him and said that quote the 9-1-1 director had taken Janelle off
01:24:09
his list what the Mayor literally had no idea what this meant but knew that Janelle
01:24:16
Potter was always up to some kind of Schemin and telling her mom and dad that she was the one being schemed so Janelle
01:24:22
is just like oh just manipulating her [ __ ] up oh it's just like her sister said her sister was like she manipulates
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you guys into doing whatever she wants you to do including [ __ ] murder holy [ __ ] so Buddy's trial began in October
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of 2013 and there was obviously a [ __ ] ton of evidence and uh taped confessions
01:24:45
going against him although the motives and the events leading up to the murders were like kind of complicated I guess
01:24:51
the prosecutor's argument was pretty straightforward they put it like this quote Barbara buddy and Jamie are not
01:24:57
sophisticated people they were easily misled by Janelle who knew which buttons to press Jamie was lonely and vulnerable
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to a younger woman stroking his ego he'd never been out of Mountain City never been popular Barbara also had some kind
01:25:12
of mental disorder in which there always has to be a controversy or conspiracy going on she was fixated on conflicts
01:25:19
buddy liked to think of himself as a government operative most people figured Janelle out that she was a bit of a
01:25:25
fantasist that's why she struggled to make and keep friends but not these three it was The Perfect Storm Jesus
01:25:33
so Janelle that's why I was so excited when you said like oh it's like the fantasy yeah I was like yeah I know I
01:25:39
was like you got it you got it Janelle knew that her parents were incredibly overprotective and also knew that they
01:25:46
didn't really understand social media so she used Chris to amplify fake threats against her and eventually threats to
01:25:53
everybody else in the family making them feel like they were unsafe yeah she was
01:25:57
manipulating everybody around her to murder these people that she perceived to be her enemies for some reason or
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another she also knew that Jamie's week what Jamie's weaknesses were and she exploited him
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she knew he was in love with her and that he was desperate to be accepted by her family so she inserted him right
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into the drama had him get buddy buddy with her dad and figured out a way for the two of them to want to protect her
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and be willing to murder to protect her wow and when he asked why he why would he believe that he was talking to a CIA
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agent without any evidence of it at all Jaime answered well I mean I thought Chris was real I mean I thought there
01:26:37
was a you know someone that I was talking to there and that Janelle the way she would talk to me it was like
01:26:44
bonding like a family wow like I think he she just she just manipulated the [ __ ] out of the
01:26:53
thing like she meant this is wild how she was able to manipulate these people I think that they
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just blindly believed her like I don't I don't know what it was about her story I
01:27:05
don't know what it was about their relationship with her wow this is like really sick yeah all the way around it
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is so needless to say in October of 2013 buddy was found guilty on two counts of
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first-degree murder and he was sentenced to two life sentences oh damn good Jamie
01:27:23
curd pled guilty but since he agreed to testify against buddy Potter he was given a lesser sentence and he got 25
01:27:29
years in prison damn yeah I'm actually surprised he got that I was hoping you would get that I am too you know how
01:27:35
these things usually shake out because while they weren't able to prove who had really done the killing that's the thing
01:27:40
you know like yeah still to this day Nobody Knows the story but that's the story and still to this day nobody knows
01:27:46
who was the one to slash Bill Payne's throat I was gonna ask that because I didn't hear that come up so it's like no
01:27:52
what the hell happened it's just it's Buddy's word against Jamie's nobody else was there are they are both of them
01:27:58
saying that the other one did it yeah uh buddies Buddy says that uh I'll get there but but uh Jamie said
01:28:07
that buddy did everything okay he said he he was just the look he was there the lookout now obviously there was no doubt
01:28:13
that Jamie and buddy had been the ones to go out there and Kill Bill and Billie Jean regardless of who pulled the
01:28:18
trigger yeah but investigators also at the same time knew that Barbara and Janelle played a key role in
01:28:24
orchestrating this entire thing to work for them this wouldn't have happened absolutely but the problem was that it
01:28:31
was going to be kind of difficult to prosecute a person for murder if they weren't actually present for the
01:28:36
killings yeah of course but this D.A was willing to try and just a few months after Buddy's conviction a grand jury
01:28:43
did end up indicting both Janelle and Barbara Potter for murder and for tampering with evidence good there was a
01:28:50
lot of hold up going into trial I think so many technicalities and like this is a very unprecedented thing to try two
01:28:57
women who for a murder who weren't actually at the murderer site but eventually they got there and the double
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trial began May 2015 they were being tried at the same time okay D.A Dennis Brooks was facing multiple hurdles but
01:29:10
made pretty much the same case to the jury that he had in Buddy's trial even though neither women before the jury had
01:29:17
pulled the trigger the murders just like I said a minute ago would not have happened if it weren't for them the way
01:29:24
that the D.A put it to ABC News Janelle kind of spurred it and Barbara got it to
01:29:28
happen yeah now the evidence presented to the jury was damning to say the least it showed them exactly who Janelle was a
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woman caught up in some kind of fantasy turned conspiracy that eventually ended up in Murder
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and it never seemed like either one woman was unaware that their implications could have led to murder
01:29:46
and it really didn't seem like they gave a [ __ ] about the consequences of those
01:29:50
implications yeah they both wanted these people dead and knew how and knew they would get there
01:29:56
so it took about a week to get through testimony and all the evidence and at the end of the trial
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both of them were found guilty on all counts damn and both were sentenced to life in prison holy [ __ ] really Janelle
01:30:09
will be 80 years old before she's eligible for parole and if Barbara and Buddy were to serve their full sentences
01:30:16
they'll they'll die in prison wow but after being sentenced Buddy started claiming he was innocent and then in a
01:30:23
2021 appeal he told the court right now Barbara and my daughter both know that I
01:30:28
did this so first he was maintaining his innocence then he said that now they know I did it but like I was saying
01:30:35
earlier he alluded that it was Jamie curd who had killed Billie Jean he said I killed Billy Payne he killed Billie
01:30:43
Jean okay and Jamie kurd said I didn't kill either of them I was just the lookout yeah now this 2020 uh 2021
01:30:50
appeal case was actually an attempt by Barbara and Janelle's lawyers to get both women a new case these lawyers
01:30:57
argued that the court had denied them crucial information that would have aided them in the defense but the appeal
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ended up being dismissed and the verdict was upheld because neither lawyer could
01:31:07
actually produce any evidence of that crucial information yeah I [ __ ] love when people can't back up their
01:31:12
arguments that's my favorite thing ever unfortunately everything is when somebody's like no no like this you did
01:31:19
this you did this and then you're like okay can you can you just like show me a piece of thing that says that and
01:31:24
they're like no no I can't so it's like why'd you even bring that up because before you you were dumb but like now
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you look dumb right so like now I've proved that you're done now I've proved you so that's what's not good for you
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that's what's proven here redonkulous so unfortunately though the court did find evidence supporting a
01:31:44
claim made by Barbara that since she was tried in the same trial as her daughter
01:31:49
there was a conflict of interest that may have impacted her soul case so because of this she was granted her own
01:31:56
new trial but the D.A didn't want to go through with another trial and I I think
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they probably thought like it wasn't going to happen two times that they found her guilty when she wasn't there
01:32:06
yeah so instead they offered her a plea deal if she pleaded guilty to two counts
01:32:11
of facilitation of first-degree murder she would get a lesser sentence okay she took the deal and she was re-sentenced
01:32:17
to 25 years in prison wow with a requirement that 30 of the time be served before she's eligible for parole
01:32:24
Wow since she had already served eight years at this point she will be eligible for parole this year 2023.
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oh [ __ ] and that is the story the tragic story of the Facebook murders wow that is so sad and just on every level
01:32:45
senseless so senseless like these this like young couple he seems like really trying to get his life together yeah
01:32:55
trying to get on a good track they have a little baby yep how old was the baby again seven months old seven months
01:33:01
never will never know his parents no oh and finding out later the trauma of what
01:33:09
happened oh my God now you were asleep in her arms like that's that's like Dexter literally like literally
01:33:15
literally the storyline of Dexter that's actually crazy holy [ __ ] they found him
01:33:19
like covered in his mother's blood oh that's awful that's awful and thank gosh he was unharmed like I know oh if that
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baby had been harmed I honestly don't think I would have been able to tell that story but holy [ __ ] but all because
01:33:32
this girl had feelings for Bill that she never even voiced yeah that's I mean wow so uh like we always say I'm like
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speechless social media is the root of all evil it really and this proves it it's just become a thing where it's like
01:33:51
what's the [ __ ] point anymore honestly what's the point legit get an email address
01:33:58
get an email address that's it don't even get a new address just have a phobia phones I just have a fabophobia
01:34:05
phones like a CIA agent Chris no one just Chris it's just Chris it's like Madonna it's just Chris everybody knows
01:34:13
me CIA Christian Chris so hot right now wow well guys we hope you keep listening
01:34:19
and we hope you keep it weird but that's a word that you catfish your own parents
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and that this happens because wow that would be so tragic and you shouldn't ever do that don't lie to people it's
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