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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. [Music] It's morbid with no tech neck. We were
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just talking. I didn't know what tech neck was. If you don't know what tech neck is, listener, it's when your cousin
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takes a picture of you and you realize that you have a whole ass hump in the back of your neck because you've been
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slouching over your computer for years. That's so scary. Like if you work like a
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desk job or something and you're like really slouched over your computer, it can result in like a straight up
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curvature of your spine. So you end up getting like a hump in your neck. That's so So now I am trying to sit up straight
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and shoulders back, baby. shoulders back cuz you it the good news is it is reversible. I did a lot of that picture
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was taken of me. I looked at it and we did research immediately. We said how do we reverse tech research tech neck out
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hon technology is not it's not killing it good for us. I think it's good for us some ways but it's very good for us in
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some ways but man I think we're I think it's I think it's going too far. I think
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that's the problem is we can we can never just do things right as a species. We always have to take it way too far. I
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know the the thing that sucks is that like sitting like this is so uncomfortable. Yeah, it is. Like I feel
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so [ __ ] weird right now. She's just straight up. I'm just so I'm so straight right now. Straight right now. Look at
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that. Happy Pride Month. Happy Pride Month. I'm just straight now. She's decided she's going to be straight.
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She's gonna sit straight in body language. Just kidding. Uh, but speaking of technology, that went too far.
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Go, girl. [ __ ] segue. We might have tech neck, but we got quick. We do not have tech
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frames. Molina doesn't have tech neck cuz she's a [ __ ] It's because I am always rigid.
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I know. I'm too loosey goosey. I'm always rigid in my posture cuz I sit very and I'll catch myself sometimes
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sitting too rigidly like those things where people are like hey relax your shoulders and like unclench your jaw.
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I'm always like I need to cuz I I'm always like my jaw is super tense as we know. But anyway,
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speaking of that was a good segue. I don't want to I don't want to get too far away from it. Speaking of technology
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that's gone too far. This is just a little um like a documentary kind of thing. recommendation. That's the word.
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Uh, I haven't had enough coffee. Wow. I said our brains are quick too early on. So, I got super hyperfixated on the
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Titan submersible thing when it was happening. I think a lot of us do. Very hyperfixated. I learned so much about
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submersibles. I would be sitting next to John on the couch and just be like, "Can
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I just tell you how carbon fiber is made?" Like he was just like, and so it went away after. I was like, you know,
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I've always been like fixated on it. On to the next hyperfix. Exactly. On to the
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next. And now HBO did a documentary, Implosion, the Titanic Sub Disaster. I got to see this. It I haven't finished
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it yet because it's long and I'm old and I fell asleep. Not because it's not fun
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good, but because I'm old and I fell asleep. It is so good so far and also horrifying
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to watch. The amount of We're gonna cover this in an episode full episode because this is it is incredible
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how much was ignored in the making. So scary and in the like this whole trip it was so avoidable. It is un I mean we all
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knew it was avoidable because like you choose to get in a sub to go down to the Titanic, but I don't even mean in that
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way. I mean, he ignored every single Stockton Rush ignored experts, right? He would fire people around him that told
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him, "This thing is going to break. This thing needs a new hole. Like, the hole is cracked. It's you need to scrap it."
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He would just fire people. He's just that guy who like surrounded himself like it seems like he surrounded himself
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with yes people and that's it. I'm taking an astrology class right now. As you know, I'm I'm big into like woo woo
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classes right now. I love the woo class. version of you. But I love as if you've
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been listening to the show, I've like always really been interested in astrology, but I've only really known
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like the tip of the iceberg. So, I'm like, let's [ __ ] go deeper and like we're going to learn how to read charts
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in this class. I only had like the first one. So, we learned about like the planets and what they mean and the
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different signs and like what they all represent. And so, I got a text from my teacher this morning basically being
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like, um, I guess so Pluto went into or Yeah, that's right. Pluto went into Aquarius because the planets move um
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this past November and Pluto is all about like use and abuse and misuse of power, beginnings and endings,
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transformation, like technological [ __ ] And then Aquarius is like unpredictability, rapid changes,
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uh like information, science, mathematics, like that kind of thing. So, she had sent a news article this
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morning and was like, you know, like send us anything that represents Pluto and Aquarius energy. And Alina and I
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were talking about this whole thing and I was like I'm really interested in this
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guy's chart like what his [ __ ] chart because he's just a very interest fascinating man in a in a dark way.
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Yeah. He has his Pluto in Aquarius. Yeah. Which is crazy cuz it was literally like an hour after I had got
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that text. So I sent it to my child and my teacher was like great example. Look at that. And then she asked me a lot of
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in-depth questions about the chart and I said I don't know yet. I don't know yet.
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I don't know yet but I will look. But now I'm excited to see what Stockton Rush's chart is because I mean I would
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love like um when Alisa Kelly told us like you know what like Stars Over Salem like I'm like tell me about this guy.
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That's my goal is to get to Alisa Kelly's uh like [ __ ] level level. Yeah, I was going to say era. I mean get
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to her era as well. But that's that will take me years. But I can only hope to be
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as good as her. Oh, you will. Thank you. You'll get there. And then the two of you will just be charting all over the
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place. My god. Well, you could chart with us and I'll just be like, "Tell me things." It's fascinating. It really is.
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And like people can say that astrology is like woo woo. It's not real. Blah blah. [ __ ] there's something to it,
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man. Ancient civilizations, I found out, used to use astrology and like look at the planets to figure out when kings
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were going to die, when great famine would hit, like all these different things. So, [ __ ] you. It's real. So,
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[ __ ] you. It's real. That's how I feel about astrology. That's the mode of today. And it's just fascinating. Well,
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go watch that documentary Implosion because I'm telling you, it'll fascinate you. And then we'll do we'll cover it
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like once we get all the research together and then maybe by that time I'll have gone a little bit further in
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my class and I can tell you a little bit more about this guy's chart. I love that
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cuz that's that's kind of fun. That's really fun. Yeah. She actually said we're going to look at some like serial
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killer charts and stuff like that which I do feel like will be fascinating. Oh, for sure. Because obviously a lot of it
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is, you know, I think certain things in your life are kind of predetermined, but
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then I think some are like free will. Oh, for sure. So, it'll be interesting. It's the nature versus nurture of it
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all. Yeah. It'll be interesting to look up. And I can't wait to watch that documentary. Yes. It's really good. It's
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on HBO. Yeah, this one's on HBO. I think there's going to be another one too on like Netflix. Oh [ __ ] I think there is
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one on Netflix. It's like two years, which which is like crazy. Or no, one one year. It's one year. Okay. Right. I
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think it's only one. It's only one year that this happened. I think it was 2024.
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I think you're right. No, it was 2023. Okay, so I was right. I need to go with my gut more. No, you should. I'm sorry
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for doubting you. Holy [ __ ] that was 2 years ago. Two years. Cuz I remember being shocked. I was like, "Wait, what?"
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Yeah. And on June 18th, it'll it'll be two two years. Yeah. Isn't that nuts? Yes. I'm actually like a little bit
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shocked. Like, how is time a real thing? No, it's a flat circle. It really is. Well, speaking of like time being a real
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thing, actually, we have a case today and I was thinking about it this morning cuz I like got this together like a few
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days ago and then I was thinking about it. I was like I remember watching some of this like play out on the news. Like
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I feel like I watched like a snapped episode of this when I was like far too young. I mean probably cuz as I was
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going through this the other day, I was like I know that like this is a very well-known case. It's the murder of
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David Harris and Clara Harris runs him over with her car. Um I definitely remember this. Horrible. I remember it.
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But I had this like epiphany this morning where I was like I think I knew like a lot more about this when I was
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like much younger cuz what were you what when was this? 2002. I was You're six. Six. But I think like later on like when
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I was like eight or nine I saw like some special about it. Yeah. Cuz I was like damn. Yeah. No, not not when I was six.
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I watched in the news when you were six again. I used to fall asleep to like forensic files as a child. So but let's
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get into it. So, on the afternoon of July 24th, 2002, Clara Harris just casually asked her stepdaughter Lindsay
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if she wanted to go for a drive, get out, enjoy the beautiful summer weather, Lindsay was 16 at the time. So, one, she
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was like, "Hell yeah, let's go joy riding in your Mercedes-Benz." She loved her stepmom. They got along great. Oh,
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that's nice. And this didn't seem unusual at all. Clara loved showing off her Mercedes. She loved driving it. Just
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was like their thing to do. Yeah. For her, the car was a symbol of the success that she and her husband David had
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achieved in their 10 years of marriage, including a thriving dental practice in the suburbs of Houston, Texas. Look at
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that. They're very wellto-do people. Because Lindsay lived with her mom during the school year, and she spent
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summers with Claire and her father, she welcomed the opportunity to hang out with her stepmom and happily accepted
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the offer. They had actually gotten really close in the last couple of months, having bonded over the recent
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revelation that David Harris, Clara's husband, and Lindsay's father, was having an affair with his secretary,
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Gail Bridges. Oh, yes. What a thing to bond over. Uhhuh. I think they both felt hurt in different ways. Of course, they
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you know. Yeah. It's just like, wow, what a what a trauma bond. Yeah. I think a lot of times like we don't realize
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that like affairs affect kids as much as they do. Oh yeah. And like when kids find out about them, they also feel
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duped. Well, they feel betrayed. Yeah. It's this it's a level of betrayal that's similar to what the spouse feels.
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Yeah. Which is interesting. Mhm. But just a few weeks earlier, Clara had confronted David, her husband, about the
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affair, and he agreed to end it. But the damage had been done and he was gonna have to work very hard to earn back not
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only his wife's trust but his daughters as well. Ew. I also hate the like grossness of like you're having an
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affair with your secretary. It's very cliche. Like it's very cliche. Get it together. Yeah. Both of you. Yeah. Gail
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and David agreed. Well, Clara was very upset that afternoon and Lindsay knew that much. As far as Lindsay could tell,
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it had something to do with her dad and his uh mistress Gail Bridges. Lindsay also knew that in the weeks leading up
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to her father's affair being exposed that Clara had hired a private investigator to follow David and Gail.
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Oh man. And it was that private investigator who had just called the house before Clara asked Lindsay to go
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for a drive. So she was like, "Obviously, these two things are connected." Yeah. At first, it seemed
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like Clara was just driving aimlessly. But soon it became clear to Lindsay that this was not a casual afternoon drive.
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It was very much an excuse to hunt around town looking for David and Gail. Oh, no. Don't do that. Don't Don't do
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that with his kid. Don't do that with his kids. Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do that with any kid. Yeah. Don't do that
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with kids. That's a solo activity. Don't involve. That's a solo activity. And even then, like, don't hurt your own
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feelings. Yeah. Well, this didn't come as much as a of a surprise to Lindsay. She knew that her father actually had
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plans with Gail that evening, and the plans were supposed to be to formally end their relationship. So, it made
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sense to Lindsay that they would be out with each other. But what didn't make sense was Clara's emotional state as
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they drove. Like Lindsay, Clara also knew that David was planning to meet Gail that evening to end things. So, it
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really shouldn't have come as much of a surprise when the PI called and said that they were meeting. Yeah. And
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Lindsay remembered years later, she was just on a mission to find out where he was and she was crying, which is really
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sad. That's really sad. That afternoon, Clara drove to all of the places she knew that David and Gail liked to go to
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together, including to Gail's home. But there was no sign of David's car anywhere. So eventually, Clara pulled
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over and asked Lindsay to to take over driving so that she could place a call to Blue Moon, which was the private
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investigation firm that she had hired. At Clara's instruction, Lindsay just drove from one location to another. But
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no matter where they went, it didn't seem that Gail and David were there. Lindsay said later, "She was so
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confused. We were just gonna forget about it and go shopping, which came as a relief, but then Clara's phone rang,
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which is so sad knowing that detail that like this almost went away. Yeah. Like we were just going to go shopping and
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like just go shop retail therapy girl. Spend his money. Spend his money. Spend his [ __ ] money. Yes. Make him pay
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that way. Make him literally pay with that. Yes. Exactly. You know, like nobody deserves to pay with their life.
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So it's like make them pay with actual money. It's like that. Hey ladies, when you're making [ __ ] literally like that
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and it's like damn, you just wish like that that had gone that way. I know for many of the people involved, you know,
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when you find out like this next bit that I'm going to say, it's like this wasn't even supposed to happen because
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despite a company rule about not returning clients requests for updates until the following day, a policy put in
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place to prevent messy or even potentially dangerous situations. Private investigator Lucas Baka told
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Clara he had picked up David's trail and that he and Gail had checked into a local hotel and were either on the
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fourth or sixth floor, but said that he couldn't provide any more details until the following day. Oh man. But it's like
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first of all, you already provided enough details for this to get messy and dangerous. Yes, absolutely you did. And
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then not one to be denied something that she thought she was entitled to, Clara eventually just pried the remaining
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details out of him. And it was worse than she ever could have imagined. Well, and imagine I I can't fathom one finding
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out that your husband is having an affair with his secretary. My god. I can't fathom that. That's why our
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husbands don't have secretaries. Yeah. No, you can't have secretaries. I'm just kidding. But also, it's just like that
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must I can't imagine the feeling of that. I really can't. Like that's an awful I've been cheated on by like
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ex-boyfriends. I know that that sucks. I just can't imagine going through with like marriage and having it happen.
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Marriage. That must be a whole different kind of vibe. Yeah. And then also to then know that like they're meeting to
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end it would be also [ __ ] up of a feeling cuz you know they're meeting and well and they're breaking up and you're
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not there like he's breaking up with the woman that he's having an affair with. Like it's just like what? It's a wild
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concept. And then to then be hearing they just checked into a hotel and you're sitting here with his daughter.
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Yeah. Because you're Why are you breaking it off at a hotel? And it's Well, and that's the thing.
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What are the implications? And it's like you just know like and again this is what I mean like nobody should pay with
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their life for these kind of indiscretions. No way. But like bar hands down like that's it. But it's like
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you just wonder like you're just like oh my god that was like shot after shot for
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her like and you just h supposed to have that information. Like she just shouldn't have had that
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information. You know what I There's literally a there was a company policy put into place because that this kind of
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information can set somebody into a tail spin. And the fact that like the company
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policy already was in place tells you there had been situations in the past where they had to then put that policy
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in place or they've at least seen enough evidence to know like this could go this
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could go gnarly if if we really you know cuz you you just don't you don't need to
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give all that information. Yeah. People in heightened emotional states do a terrible human species is very flawed
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that way. Sure, we need to be aware of it. But it's just like there's those two sides of that coin where it's like he he
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did not deserve to pay with his life. No. [Music] Well, so as far as Claire and Lindsay
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knew, like I said, David's plan was to meet Gail, but at a local restaurant, a public place where it was much less
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likely that there would be a scene. But according to the PI, the couple had checked into the Nassau Bay Hilton in
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Houston, which to add insult to injury, was the same hotel where David and Clara
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had their wedding reception a decade earlier. Wow. Let that sink in for a second.
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Yeah, that's [ __ ] up. And then when you know how this all ends, it's like you walked out that door as newlyweds
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and then like he ends his like he doesn't end his own life, but his life ends there. Like what a horrible tragic
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what a tragic on another level. And also like Gail does Gail know that Gail must
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know that he has a an entire family. Yeah, honestly Gail go [ __ ] yourself. She might have been told some
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interesting details that we'll get to, but still please. So when she heard the news, Clara's attitude and demeanor
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apparently changed immediately where she had previously been very determined, irritated, confused, even now she was
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silent, humorless, just affectless like in another world entirely. That's that must have been so scary for Lindsay. For
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Lindsay. Absolutely. She's 16 years old. And to see someone just live like to go
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numb like that like affectless is like wo like we've crossed over into dangerous territory. really dangerous
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territory and she's 16. She knows that, you know. So, Clara dialed the phone again, this time calling the house to
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speak with the nanny who was taking care of the couple's two other children. Oh,
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man. Yeah. When Maria Gonzalez answered the phone, Clara told her in a flat, even tone to quote, "Pack her husband's
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best clothes in the couple's oldest suitcase and place it outside the door in the garage, and the rest of his
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clothes, she told Gonzalez, could just be thrown in the trash." Damn. Which I think was really nice of her to let him
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keep his oldest clothes. And honestly, I wish you gone there. Yeah, that's it. Just kick that [ __ ] out. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like have your And then go spend the money. Yeah. That's it. That's the recipe. No one gets hurt physically. No.
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When she hung up the phone though, Clara in the same flat tone as she had used with the nanny instructed her
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stepdaughter to go to the Nassau Bay Hilton. Oh no. It was about 8:30 p.m. when Lindsay pulled the Mercedes into
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the Hilton lot and parked in one of the guest spaces and then followed Clara into the lobby. Oh no. She should not be
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part of this. I didn't even realize that she was like such a big part of I always
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knew that she was there. Like that's such a big part of the story, but I didn't realize how there she was. She
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was like brought into the lobby and [ __ ] like that. She should not be witnessing
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this kind of [ __ ] No. This poor girl, lots and lots of trauma. Yeah. So, at the front desk, Clara asked for her
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husband's room name number, excuse me, but she was told that nobody was registered under that name. So, she
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asked for the room number of Gail Bridges, but received the same response. She's getting nowhere. So, she lied to
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the clerk and she was like, "Listen, my son is sick. I need to get in touch with
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my husband immediately. Like, I know he's here." But the clerk only repeated that there wasn't anybody registered
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under those names, so he just couldn't help her. Later, after detectives went through the hotel security footage and
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records, they learned that the clerk had been telling the truth. David Harris had
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paid cash in advance for the room, so the clerk hadn't bothered with the usual check-in procedures, like getting his
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guests, like the guest names or their license numbers. So, feeling frustrated and defeated, Clara did a slow walk
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around the lobby one final time, Lindsay just reluctantly in tow. Oh god. And as
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they were heading back to the car, Clara spotted what she thought was Gail Bridg's car in one of the spaces in the
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employee parking lot. When she got closer, she saw some of the identifying details and confirmed that it was indeed
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Gail's car, and she turned back in the direction of the hotel lobby, but not before ripping off the rear windshield
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wiper and dragging her keys along the side of the vehicle. Damn. Yeah. Carrie Underwood style. Oof. So, the explosive
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attack on Gail's car seemed to have exhausted Clara briefly. I've never keyed a car personally, but I feel like
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No, I feel like that would exhaust you, though. and ripping the windshield wipers off. That I can't even get my
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windshield wipers off when I'm supposed to. And here's the thing. It's like this
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is like this is wrong. I know. I know you're angry. You have every right to be angry. She has every right to feel
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whatever feeling she is feeling right now. Yeah. You got to you got to you got to hold some of that stuff. You know
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what I mean? You got to do it in a better way. It's like you can't be destroying property. You can't be
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killing people when you're a mom. Like you're a mom in this scenario to Lindsay. Like a stepmom. Yeah. You got
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you got to you're a a parental figure to and you have two other kids. Exactly. Like you got to immedately think of them
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and say this is going to get me in trouble and this is bad to show them as a way to get your anger out. You know
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what I mean? It's like obviously I've never been in this situation. So it's like but you it's just like oh no. And
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you can just see it like escalating really quickly. I can't imagine being like I don't think I've ever been
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cheated on. Drew is like my only serious relationship and he definitely never cheated on me. But being cheated on in
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like a relationship where there's no kids is one whole world and level of hurt. Being cheated on by your husband
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when you have multiple kids together is like a whole other level of betrayal. That's got to be a Cuz now you're
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thinking of them. Yeah. Like that's happening to them. You didn't just cheat on your wife, you cheated on your
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family. Exactly. And that's the hard part. And it's like Yeah. So she's just not thinking clearly. But so now she's
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consumed with rage and she's determined to get David out into the opening of the
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hotel lobby. So she had Lindsay call her father's cell phone and he answered right away. And Lindsay, as instructed,
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told him, "You need to come home. Bradley is sick." That was one of their sons. Yeah. So he was like, "Okay, I'll
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be right there." And hung up. Clara and Lindsay watched the bank of elevators from outside the glass front doors of
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the hotel, just waiting for David and Gail to emerge. After a few minutes passed and they still hadn't appeared,
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Clara herself called David's phone and repeated the earlier message that their son was sick. And again, David said he
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was on his way immediately. By that point, Clara had gone back into the lobby and was waiting right by the
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elevators to confront him when he came out. Which honestly, you wish that that had happened. Well, that does happen.
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Like confront, but I mean like and that's it. Like just confrontation in a public place. Yeah, cuz that's bad
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enough. Like that's bad enough, but it's like you're not nobody's getting hurt. Everybody leaves alive. Yeah. You're in
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a public place. Like obviously you don't want that to happen at all, but it's like if it's going to happen that you
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wish that was the end of that and then it's just like and then divorce. Yes. The end. Like get out of there. Yeah.
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Well, so anticipating the confrontation, Lindsay convinced her stepmother to go back outside and wait. She's like, "We
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shouldn't wait right here." And this 16-year-old trying to diffuse this situation. You feel so hard for her. Oh,
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I feel Lindsay. I want to like gather up and hug and just go take her shopping. Like I know she's a grown adult now cuz
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this was 2002. Yeah, but I still want to give still lives in here. I still want to give you a hug cuz this was a lot a
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lot an unimaginable thing to go through. Well, and she's being the adult here. She's saying Clara like we don't want to
00:23:53
cause a scene. Let's go outside. She's Exactly. She's trying to deescalate. So, she does try to, but unfortunately that
00:24:00
didn't do a lot of good. Lindsay said she was calm until she saw Dad and Gail come out. Then cuz she Lindsay was able
00:24:06
to get her inside or outside, but then she said she ran inside. She was ready to go inside and fight. As soon as she
00:24:13
saw David and Gail come out of those elevators, Clara rushed into the lobby and just started hitting Gail. Oh, I
00:24:20
see. Tearing her shirt open, just starting a brawl with this woman. And as far as Clara was concerned, this was the
00:24:26
woman who had stolen her husband and destroyed her family. And it's like, yeah, like like you know, she's she's
00:24:33
the other woman. She's that's not good. That's not a good person to be. At the same time, you don't know what he's told
00:24:39
her. Well, also, and let's matter if she's if she's like full on doesn't give a [ __ ] that she has a whole It doesn't
00:24:46
even matter. It's like you can't physically attack someone and you can't and and what is it getting you, right?
00:24:53
That's the thing. A charge. Many times I have wanted to physically hurt someone.
00:24:58
Same. For sure. Same. Like that's just we're animals. We are animal. It's it's a thing. It's a primal instinct. Anger
00:25:07
can fight or flight. Fight is part of it. And it's like that is it's going to happen. But the you have to fight
00:25:15
against that instinct cuz again especially as a parent, as a human, but especially as a parent when you have
00:25:22
even more under your responsibility, not just yourself and more to lose like you
00:25:26
know what I mean? Like especially as a parent, you have to sit there and go, "Is this worth it?" This momentary
00:25:32
second of getting all my rage out on this woman and feeling like, "Hell yeah, I just punched her in the face."
00:25:38
Probably not. Is that going to be How long is that going to last? It's going to last a split second of like that felt
00:25:44
good and then boom, reality is going to hit you like a [ __ ] a 747 jet. It's like that is not going
00:25:52
to be good cuz then you're going to catch a charge. You're going to have to kids are going to have to see how you
00:25:57
reacted to a situation. They might take cues from how you reacted to a situation
00:26:02
and think that's how they should act or could be embarrassed by the situation depending on how old they are. Like
00:26:07
there's a lot of layers. It's bad. And you are now walking around you know like it's like so even this is like oh girl
00:26:15
and it shows you that she was just out of her mind. Out of her mind because this is such an overreaction you know.
00:26:23
It is. And it it is. So she yelled in Gail's face, "You [ __ ] he's my husband." And just knocked her to the
00:26:29
floor. She was just repeatedly striking Gail in the face and in the head. And she looked up at all the guests who were
00:26:36
just, you know, crowding around watching in a mix of horror and curiosity because
00:26:41
we're all terrible people. We are. And told them, "This is David Harris and he's [ __ ] this woman right here."
00:26:48
Damn. Huh? I mean like you just look so wild. You look so wild and it's like you get the you get the
00:27:00
emotion behind you. Absolutely. That's the thing we can I cannot stress enough that like this the emotions that would
00:27:06
come with this would be horrific and it's and I can't imagine you would want to embarrass this man and this woman.
00:27:14
That's the thing. You're really not just embarrassing them. Yeah. And again, there's a child here. Yeah. There's a
00:27:20
child. not only involved, there's children involved, but there's a child literally physically present. And it's
00:27:26
like this is just that's going to affect her forever witnessing just that. Yeah.
00:27:30
You know, if that was where it ended, that was going to [ __ ] her up. And again, she's taking she's a child. She's
00:27:36
taking cues from you and she's very upset with her father. So now she's implicated in things and done things
00:27:41
that she probably regrets. Yeah. And it's pitting it's pitting this Lindsay her emotions against her father, right?
00:27:52
Which obviously he made a massive mistake. It's like was you know it's not like there was this like whole you know
00:28:00
you know he he she hated him because he was physically abusive kind of thing to her or anything like that. Like I mean
00:28:05
like Lindsay like you know this is all purely emotionbased and betrayal based which is a very real thing. Absolutely.
00:28:14
But to involve her in that kind of like emotional fight there like you're having
00:28:21
with him is involving is like directly inviting her into the trauma with you when she should be able to deal with it
00:28:28
in a way that she cuz she's going to feel betrayed by him but in a different way. That's the thing in a different
00:28:33
way. She needs to deal with her piece of it and not co-opt yours because your marriage does not equate to their
00:28:40
relationship. Of course, again, like we said, she's going to feel a betrayal, but she's going to be feel a betrayal as
00:28:46
a as a daughter and not as a spouse, right? And those are two different things that need to be worked out in two
00:28:52
very different ways and two very different therapies. This is very much involving her in the like romantic
00:28:58
relationship of it all, which is a messier way messier in a totally different way, you know, kind of
00:29:04
situation. It just is very upsetting. Well, so it didn't take long before several hotel employees rushed over to
00:29:09
the scene and started trying to separate Gail and Clara. By then, Clara's anger had turned into uncontrollable rage. As
00:29:17
one employee was pulling her away from Gail, she clung to the woman's blouse and nearly ripped it off. And then when
00:29:23
she lost her grip on the shirt, she grabbed Gail's leg and bit down hard on her leg. She's like animal level rabbit.
00:29:31
I was just going to say this is animalistic. So when it was clear that hotel employees were having no luck
00:29:35
separating the two women, David finally stepped in and put his hand on Clara's forehead and pushed her away to the
00:29:42
floor, giving the desk clerk enough time to get Gail outside to her car and David
00:29:48
walking a few feet behind after Gail. This is just so bad in every way. No one is making a correct decision here in how
00:29:58
to act. No. Like, no. None of this was okay cuz he's not helping deescalate this situation in any way, shape, or
00:30:06
form. And it's like this is just not good. It's horrible. So, with Gail removed from the situation, things seem
00:30:11
to calm for a moment as the clerk then walked Clara and Lindsay out to the car in the parking lot. But then sitting
00:30:17
behind the wheel of the Mercedes, Clara started crying as one of the guests, Evangelos Smeiros, helped her into the
00:30:23
driver's seat, h just the fight having gone completely out of her. Now she's sobbing. And this sweet man is helping
00:30:29
her in her car, which I'm also like, don't let her drive right now. I know, but he's he doesn't know her. Nobody
00:30:35
could have predicted this. No, no, no, no. So, he closed the door and started to walk away. And then he heard the
00:30:41
tires of Clara's car screech as she threw it into gear. He said she was screaming again, crying, hysterical, out
00:30:49
of control. And then he watched as Clara threw the car into drive and tore through the parking lot in the direction
00:30:55
of the hotel's front entrance. And Lindsay's in the car. Lindsay's in the car. See, already, which is devastating.
00:31:01
Not only are you like you're out of control, you're endangering no matter what is going to happen here, you're
00:31:06
endangering this child. That's [ __ ] up. It is [ __ ] up. Like, get your emotions in check. You are an adult.
00:31:13
Absolutely. This is a very emotional scene. I get it. I This is This is [ __ ] up in every way, but you got to
00:31:18
check yourself. Get yourself together. Like become an adult. And also, it's one thing to like try like you were just
00:31:25
saying like when there's kids in the equation, like you have to think of them first. You have to do that when they're
00:31:29
not there. She's sitting there right next to you as a reminder that like you need to check yourself. Every decision I
00:31:35
make in my life, I think of my children and what that decision is going to do to
00:31:41
affect them. Of course you do. every single decision, whether they are in the room with me, not in the room with me,
00:31:46
whether I'm somewhere else, if they're in the [ __ ] car with me, it's a lot easier. It's a lot easier to make that
00:31:52
decision cuz they're right there. And it's like, you got to become an adult in this situation, and she just didn't. No.
00:31:58
So, Smeiro's tried to catch up to the car, yelling for her to stop, that she's going to hurt someone, but she already
00:32:03
picked up. I know. He's just trying to stop it. He All he could do at this point is watch as she drove away. At the
00:32:11
front entrance of the Hilton, the desk clerk, uh, Garrett Clark was standing on the curb watching David Harris walk back
00:32:17
into the hotel after saying bye to Gail. After saying bye to Gail. Jesus Christ.
00:32:21
He could hear Evangelos Smeiros yelling just moments before he saw Clara's Mercedes swerve around Gail's car. He
00:32:28
said, "I saw her driving very fast around the corner and accelerating towards me. She clipped the rear bumper
00:32:34
of Gail's car as she swerved around just as Clark turned to see her intended target, David Harris. he said. I saw
00:32:41
bulging eyes, a terrified look in his eyes. I then saw the Mercedes hit David Harris and then come to a complete stop.
00:32:49
This must have been absolutely horrifying to watch. Um, yeah. And all I'm thinking about in this moment is
00:32:58
obviously David Harris did not deserve this at all and probably did not who can predict that this is going to happen.
00:33:06
You know what I mean? Like obviously people cheat on people all the time and you don't always hear of this outcome
00:33:11
but you know like it's nobody's like hurting somebody physically or like killing anybody here and it's like until
00:33:18
now until now and it's like this has been escalated to a point where it's no longer Lindsay is in the car that just
00:33:25
I'm thinking of David Harris here who like made a mistake and is not you know the good guy in this situation up until
00:33:31
this point but he did not deserve this and then Lindsay in this [ __ ] out of control car with somebody who is so anim
00:33:40
animalistic that they can't even straight for a second like this poor child is probably like what is going to
00:33:48
happen? Is she going to like send us into the side of this building? Like are we going to die here? Yeah. and the car
00:33:53
has just hit her father and she watches as her bo as her father's body was thrown 25 ft into the air and then
00:34:02
landed on the other side of the parking lot median where obviously it came to a hard thud. Nobody should have to witness
00:34:09
this. It only gets worse, Elena. [Music] Garrett Clark and other guests in the parking lot watched in absolute horror
00:34:31
as Clara proceeded to drive in a loop around the parking lot and over the median where she then drove over her
00:34:38
husband's body. Not one more time, but two more times. I That's like so beyond Well, and you
00:34:48
have time to stop. That's beyond a snapped moment. Yes. And you have time to stop and realize that what you're
00:34:55
doing is wrong. Like after the fir I mean, the first hit alone, watching your husband's body go 25 ft in the air
00:35:02
should absolutely like it should never get to that point. That should take you out of here. That should take you out of
00:35:07
it. hearing the thud of your husband's body after it's been thrown across a parking lot median come down onto the
00:35:14
ground should snap you out of and hearing whatever poor Lindsay is probably doing in that car should be
00:35:20
snapping you out of this situation. And this is haunting. Later, Clark, who was the hotel employee who was just standing
00:35:27
by watching all of this, he said, "I heard her cackling and laughing as she drove the last two feet before she hit
00:35:33
him." I can't stop thinking of Lindsay in that car. Inside the car, they can't stop
00:35:39
thinking of her seeing this woman laughing and cackling inside the car. All they could hear was Lindsay
00:35:44
screaming and at one point even trying to get out of the car while it's still moving but slowed down and she was
00:35:50
trying to get out just before her stepmother drove over her father. Cuz you feel that. Yeah. Like she's
00:35:57
feeling every second of this. She knows she's driving over her father right now.
00:36:00
Like Yep. Like this is just It's on another level. It's on another level. Human emotion. This is like so beyond.
00:36:09
So, after hitting David for the final time, Clara finally put the car in park. And according to witnesses, once the car
00:36:16
had stopped, Lindsay jumped out of the passenger seat, ran around the driver's side, and punched Clara in the face,
00:36:21
which warranted. I know. I just said like, "You got to think before you go violent with somebody. You run my dad
00:36:26
over with a car. I'm punching you in the face." I'm I'm having human emotions right now. So, you like to see No, no,
00:36:32
no. We're all having human emotions. And if you disagree with this, you're stupid. Yeah, it's like whatever. I'm in
00:36:36
a car that some my stepmom is driving and she runs over like I I have a stepmom and a dad. If my stepmom put me
00:36:42
in a car at 16 years old and drove over my dad multiple times, I would get out and punch her in the face. I can't.
00:36:48
That's my [ __ ] dad. I cannot for one second blame Lindsay in any way, shape, or form for punching her in the And
00:36:55
honestly, she's probably trying to get her out of her [ __ ] stuper. She's snap out of it. Snap the [ __ ] out of it.
00:37:00
Look what you just did. Exactly. like now it's all done. God damn. So then Clara got out of the car seemingly in a
00:37:07
days uncertain what to do next. And at this point she just stood over David's body and started sobbing uncontrollably.
00:37:15
Then dropped to the ground and cradled him in her his cradled him in her arms and started begging him to breathe.
00:37:23
Witnesses heard her saying over and over again, "I'm so sorry, David. I'm so sorry. I love you."
00:37:30
Wow. So, she was just gone. Gone. She was just in [ __ ] orbit. Because that's the thing, like there's a lot of
00:37:38
argument over what her state of mind was when this all happened. For me, like I think what she did is wrong and I think
00:37:44
she deserved to spend time in prison for it 100,000 gajillion%. But I don't think she was all there when
00:37:51
this happened. And then I think when she realized what she did, she had a moment
00:37:56
of [ __ ] Yeah. cuz she starts sobbing and begging him to breathe and telling him how sorry she is and how much she
00:38:02
loves him. And I don't think that was for show. I think that was a I just [ __ ] killed my husband. Which also
00:38:09
that's a dangerous person. Oh my god. Yeah, that's a really dangerous person that
00:38:16
reckless [ __ ] Well, and that they just blink out like that. You can't just come back and go, "Oh [ __ ] sorry."
00:38:23
That's the thing cuz I'm not saying just to be clear. I'm not saying she was insane at the time. No, you're saying
00:38:29
she blinked out like she that's the only phrase I can think of to describe how I'm seeing it is like she literally just
00:38:36
was like I don't think she was criminally insane at all during this. I think she
00:38:40
deserved to go to No, I think she was fully blinded by the most intense rage that I can I don't think any of us can
00:38:48
conceive of. No, hopefully not. So I think and I think she literally was gone. Blinded by rage I think is apparently a
00:38:57
real thing. I think she just Thankfully I've never experienced it. But moments later dangerous. So dangerous. Moments
00:39:05
later, Houston police arrived at the scene and uh placed her under arrest for the murder of her husband, which
00:39:10
everyone had just watched. Holy [ __ ] So the news of Clara murdering Clare Harris
00:39:15
murdering her husband actually [ __ ] shocked everyone who knew them. I would assume Clara and David were, as far as
00:39:22
anybody could tell, the perfect couple. In fact, people said they had the type of relationship that they wished they
00:39:29
had with their husbands. But that's for show. Yeah. It tell It tells you that nothing on the outside is
00:39:37
real. And you don't know anyone's life unless you're in that house with them. True. You don't know anything. All these
00:39:44
influencers that we all love online, all these [ __ ] housewives that we watch, we don't know [ __ ] Yeah, but everyone
00:39:53
has an opinion. Everybody thinks they know exactly what's going on. We don't know. This is the kind of [ __ ] that
00:39:59
tells you you have no [ __ ] clue. No. That's why I don't aspire for anybody's relationship. I focus on my relationship
00:40:06
and making it the greatest I can. You don't look at this is the perfect couple. No one's the perfect couple. No.
00:40:12
And it's like real. I'm concentrating on my own my own relationship. That's all I
00:40:16
can control. So Clara, going back a little ways, Clara had been born in Colombia and raised by a mother who was
00:40:22
widowed very young. So she had seen firsthand what it was like to struggle and to get by. And she vowed that she
00:40:27
was going to work hard. She was determined to make a life for herself and support herself. Yeah. She was
00:40:32
actually very successful. After finishing high school in the early 80s, she started studying to become a dentist
00:40:38
in Colombia. And then she was accepted into the dental program at the University of Texas Houston where she
00:40:44
finished her studies and started a dental residency at the school. By all accounts, she was beautiful, she was
00:40:50
talented, she was smart, she had a very bright future ahead of her. In fact, just a few months after completing her
00:40:56
dental residency at UT Houston, she was crowned Miss Columbia Houston in a local
00:41:00
beauty contest. Oh, wow. Wow. So, she like as far as everybody everybody was concerned from the outside, she had it
00:41:06
together. Had it all in every way you possibly could. Had it all. David met Clara in 1991 when they were both
00:41:13
working at Castle Dental Center in Houston. And his father, Gerald, told a reporter, "I remember David calling soon
00:41:19
after he had met Clara and telling me he was completely smitten." Oh, which is so
00:41:23
sad. That is really sad. Like Clara, he was a skilled dentist with a bright future. He was actually very gifted when
00:41:30
it came to his personal studies and his chosen profession, but he also had a way
00:41:34
with patients that just put them at ease when they sat down. He had he had a great personality, it seems. And
00:41:40
honestly, that with dentists, you need that. You need to be able to put people at ease. According to author, my guy
00:41:46
Skip Hollensworth, he writes on like all the big Texas cases, which I just love.
00:41:50
Um, according to Skip Hollensworth, David quote had a charming folksy nature and used words like golly long after
00:41:56
they had fallen out of fashion. I love that. I do too. I actually love that. I love Gully. David had been married once
00:42:02
before to Lindsay's mother, but the marriage didn't last long. They separated after just a few years cuz uh
00:42:07
Lindsay's mother felt like he was too driven, too career focused, just didn't have enough time to spend with the
00:42:12
family. As divorces go, it was pretty amicable. He got partial custody of Lindsay. He saw her on occasional
00:42:19
weekends and holidays. And as we know, she spent summers at his house. So that's a great deal. Yeah. It was true
00:42:26
that he was a man driven to succeed in his field, but by the time he met Clara, he was already what most people would
00:42:33
consider to be successful. So that drive, you know, diminished a little bit cuz he was already So she probably got a
00:42:39
little bit of a different version. She did. Yeah, exactly. I think that's a great way to say it. And for that
00:42:43
matter, Clara was also career focused. So I think maybe they had that in common. Yeah. So she and David had a lot
00:42:50
in common. They hit it off immediately and within a year they were engaged to be married.
00:42:55
They got married at the Windmir Yacht Club in Houston on February 14th, 1992 and as we know had a large beautiful
00:43:02
reception at the adjacent Nassau Bay Hilton, which is just [ __ ] chilling to me. That is chilling to me that their
00:43:10
wedding reception is where she 10 years later would kill him. Their wedding guest parked in that parking lot. But it
00:43:18
really all comes down to you got to you got to be a human, adult human about it.
00:43:23
And you can't go off the handle like this. Like we There's ways to handle this. Yeah. And those ways are you
00:43:31
choose to work through it or you divorce or you divorce your choice. Take them to
00:43:35
the cleaners. Yeah. Take them to cleaners. Yeah, that's fine. You know, like what? Why not? Yeah. But this Yes.
00:43:41
is so upsetting. It is. So, yeah. Before long, David's reputation as a skilled orthodontist had gotten around Houston,
00:43:48
and he and Clara ended up opening their own practice. It was called Space Center
00:43:52
Orthodontics. Ooh. In the years that followed, they would open several other offices. Basically, they had like a
00:43:58
small chain of privately owned orthodontic offices in the Houston area. And they were serving as many as 100 120
00:44:05
clients per day. Wow. So, they were like in business and probably making bank. Yeah, they definitely were making bank.
00:44:12
I think they were among Houston's richest. Yeah. In 19 maybe not richest, but they were rich. In 1993, Clara told
00:44:18
a reporter, "I found the best. I found the one God had reserved for me." Oh man. Yeah. And the feeling was mutual at
00:44:25
the time. Like Clara, David had photographs of him and Clara, photos of their family hanging all over the
00:44:31
various offices, which tells you everything you need to know. Exactly. And if the photographs weren't enough of
00:44:36
a reminder of their love, they spoke on the phone two or three times all throughout the day, all before going
00:44:41
home to each other in the evening. Seems like it's like great. Yeah. They were in
00:44:45
constant contact. After they were married, Clara welcomed Lindsay into her life with open arms.
00:44:50
And Lindsay was actually smitten with her father's new wife. That's even sadder cuz it's like you love to hear
00:44:56
that. You're like, "Yes." Like Well, that's also like not common. No. Which is like really sad, you know? But like
00:45:05
she got that and [ __ ] it up. Yeah. Like beyond repair. Massive way. Mhm. But before we got there, Clara also
00:45:13
really wanted children of her own. And in 1993, that dream became reality when she gave birth to two twin uh to twin
00:45:20
boys. So they had like a big happy family. Everything's great. Yeah. They have the sprawling suburban mansion, the
00:45:26
Mercedes, the kids. But it was equally important to her that she showed the world that she was just as committed to
00:45:32
her family as she was to her career. She wanted both. Skip Hollensworth wrote, "No matter how many patients Clara had
00:45:38
to see, she always got home in time to cook dinner for her family and their palatial white brick home in the cheery
00:45:44
suburb of Friendswood." Wow. Like when I tell you when I tell you quintessential
00:45:49
like and like picture perfect. It seems so perfect with her being like, I have to get home to have dinner with my
00:45:57
family. Like that's so and that's telling me like she had that like that like parental like way of thinking where
00:46:06
it's like no my family comes first and it's like where did it go on this day? She she blinked out like it just blinked
00:46:14
out but she would always tell her patients before this all happened she had the perfect life and those who knew
00:46:18
her even just a little bit would have been inclined to agree. Absolutely. A former co-orker said, "I used to tell
00:46:23
people I wished I could be able to love my husband in the way that Clara loved David." Which I was like, "Damn, I think
00:46:28
you should do some internal work." Um, that that's an unsettling statement. Yeah, but she really loved her husband,
00:46:35
I guess. Like, holy [ __ ] She's like, "Damn, I wish I liked my husband." Like, oh [ __ ] Okay, that's sad. You should
00:46:41
talk to someone about that. Yeah. Well, the birth of the twins obviously was a major milestone in Clara and David's
00:46:46
lives, both of them, and one they absolutely relished. But it also seemed that they may have underestimated the
00:46:53
way that priorities change once kids enter the picture. Uh oh. At first, David's attentiveness to Clara and his
00:46:59
two son, his two sons, was unwavering. Former employee Susan Hansen said Clara was idolized by her husband. When she
00:47:06
called, he would always run to the phone. But after a few years, things started to change, especially after one
00:47:13
Gail Bridges joined the practice as a new secretary in 2001. with Clara at home or at work in another
00:47:20
practice. David started paying attention to Gail in ways that he had not ever paid attention to other women in the
00:47:26
office. That's [ __ ] up. Yeah. And as far as anybody could tell, the feeling was mutual. They all agreed, quote
00:47:32
unquote, Gail went out of her way to gain David's attention as he flitted from exam room to exam room. So, this is
00:47:38
like Lifetime movie [ __ ] And it's literally like she has twins and suddenly eyes are wandering. That's
00:47:46
That's [ __ ] up. That's super [ __ ] up. Oh, it only gets more [ __ ] up. I don't know. 6 months later in February
00:47:51
2022, David invited Gail to lunch at Perry's, one of his favorite local restaurants, and their affair pretty
00:47:56
much started then. Once Gail was hired, the change in David's behavior wasn't far behind. Susan Hansen said, "I began
00:48:04
to notice a difference in David around February. He was not making decisions as well as he had been in the past, and he
00:48:09
was much less attentive to his patients." Wow. Which remember, this is the guy who was like super attentive.
00:48:15
Yeah. at in his first marriage, so much career focus that that didn't work out. Yep.
00:48:22
And now he's like not really as attentive at all. Uh Hansen there also started to notice that David was
00:48:28
different with Gail than he was with other employees. He definitely seemed more intimate and attentive. And now she
00:48:35
said when Clara would call, he was much less eager to rush to pick up the phone and sometimes would just put her on hold
00:48:40
until he figured out and finished what he was doing. That's yucky. Mhm. It wasn't long before David's relationship
00:48:47
with Gail was obvious. Not just to everybody working in the office, but to even people who stopped by for a visit.
00:48:52
And that's humiliating. Like his sis or like his daughter Lindsay. Yeah. That's humiliating and gross. Yeah. It's
00:48:58
humiliating to Clara on and to Lindsay. On one occasion, Lindsay came by the office to visit her dad and she was very
00:49:04
troubled by something she saw. According to Lindsay, she was sitting in the waiting area by the front desk and she
00:49:09
saw that her dad had dropped a patient vial on the floor. And before he could reach down to pick it up, she said Gail
00:49:15
had bent over to pick it up. Not bent at the knees like you would normally expect, but bent over at the waist,
00:49:22
making a point of bending right in front of him. I'm going to be honest, I don't
00:49:27
like Gail. No, it's Let's Let's get that out of the way. Yeah, that's gross. And
00:49:31
also like his daughter's there, so maybe like get your [ __ ] [ __ ] together. Yeah, like maybe like get yourself out
00:49:36
of heat for a minute. Exactly. Take a cold shower. Gill, maybe somebody spritz her down with some water. Susan Hansen
00:49:42
said, "I told Lindsay she should talk to him or to somebody about what she'd seen, which is so sad that she was
00:49:47
obviously upset and went to another employee who she probably knew like she's grown up in this practice. She
00:49:51
should not be having to see that kind of [ __ ] No. Get it together. Now, it wasn't just the obvious tension that
00:49:57
tipped others off to David and Gail's relationship, but also subtle changes happening around the office. Gail was
00:50:03
hired as a front desk receptionist. She was going to, you know, schedule appointments, say hey to patients, file
00:50:09
paperwork, receptionist [ __ ] Yeah. But by winter of 2002, she seemed to take on
00:50:14
a much larger role in the company, seemingly at David's insistence. Huh. By March, other employees were stunned to
00:50:20
find her participating in management meetings, making staffing decisions, and even touring the new facility that David
00:50:29
was having built by Interstate 45. Wow. Making staffing decisions sent me. Yeah.
00:50:36
Like, come on. I'm sorry, but like come on. That's That's different. That's inappropriate. That's a different That's
00:50:44
a different job. Yeah. It just is. Yeah. [Music] Diana Cheryl who worked at the office
00:51:02
said, "When we went on a tour of the new offices, Dr. David and Gail slipped off.
00:51:06
He had forgotten I was there." Oh, yeah. Even though most people who noticed that, you know, this change was for sure
00:51:14
happening were disgusted with his behavior, a few women in the office considered it a quote unquote natural
00:51:20
part of aging. And here's a problem, women. Okay, ladies, let's do better. Okay, let's let's do a little [ __ ]
00:51:28
better for ourselves and each other and not just say, "Well, he's going to try to [ __ ] his secretary at some age."
00:51:36
Men go through the change of life. No. Get Get the [ __ ] out of here. Also, and
00:51:40
women don't. Get the [ __ ] out of here with that. Go through changes in life. That doesn't mean I'm going to hop on my
00:51:47
secretary. Like, what the [ __ ] Take that [ __ ] and choke on it. Are you [ __ ] kidding me, woman? Yeah. Like
00:51:57
Mikey just mumbled in the corner. Mikey is marked to save. Mikey is marked. Happy Pride everybody. Yeah, that's
00:52:04
[ __ ] up. I'm sorry whoever said that. Seek help. Like that's insane. Yeah, that's in That's wild wild word. It's
00:52:14
also just indicating that he's doing this because his his needs aren't being met at home. Well, it's like it's a boys
00:52:20
will be boys mentality. Men will be men. Well, then [ __ ] the men, okay? Cuz no,
00:52:26
you can't. And not all men and not all boys. So, of course, get out of here. Just leave. Get out right now. Leave.
00:52:33
Just like blanketed over them like this is what they all do. No. What? It's a very uh 2002 way of thinking. And again,
00:52:42
does anyone deserve to die because of this? Absolutely not. But by that summer, uh, Diana, their employee there,
00:52:49
had grown very irritated and very tired of watching this affair play out in front of everybody. And I'm sure Good
00:52:54
for Diana. He wasn't being a great boss during this time. So, she called Clara and asked if they could meet. Well, cuz
00:53:00
they probably they know Clara. She works there. She call She works there. She's a
00:53:04
huge part of her. And he's basically asking all of them to be a part of his [ __ ] and they're probably getting
00:53:10
really tired of it. And that's a girl's girl right there. It is. Diana's a girl's girl and she's sitting there
00:53:15
saying, "You know what? I can't sit here and watch you do this and just pretend that it's fine. Listen, that's what you
00:53:20
got to do." Yeah. So, when they finally sat down together in early July, Diana told Claire, "You need to protect your
00:53:26
marriage. You need to pay attention to Dr. David." I take it back. She's not a girl's girl.
00:53:31
Diana is not a girl. I take that back. I was trying to look at you. I also realized that Diana's the one that said
00:53:37
they go through the change, too. Diana, you're not a girl. Yeah. I don't like that at all. I don't either. I'm
00:53:43
actually really angry at She was basically being like, "Listen, he's stepping out on you, so you got to like
00:53:47
your fault. Shove your boobies in his face when he gets home or something." I actually have beef with Diana right now.
00:53:52
So that's where we are. Okay. That's Diana. We have beef. Like that's that's [ __ ] up. Yeah. She said, "Now you've
00:53:59
totally put it on her." Oh yeah. It gets worse. As far as Diana saw it, ever since the twins were born, they had
00:54:05
become the center of Clara's world. As it [ __ ] should be. has it. [ __ ] should be. They're
00:54:14
infants. They need their mom and dad. I'm sorry. Are you telling me that a man is jealous of babies of baby twins? Of
00:54:23
his own babies for getting more attention. [ __ ] off. You got it. The day. You got it. The day a [ __ ]
00:54:30
says that to me. The day. That doesn't even sound real. Like that is And that left less time for David. He felt like
00:54:38
he'd been pushed to the side. Oo. Diana said, "Finally, she asked me if he was having an affair, and I said yes." And
00:54:46
Diana went one step further. She told Clara exactly who David was having an affair with, his secretary. How cliche.
00:54:53
You made so many weird choices there, Diana. You really did. Yeah, she really she she gave me whiplash. She gave me
00:54:59
whiplash. Well, anyway, the news obviously was a lot for Clara. I can't That's a lot to swallow.
00:55:07
But she at this point is like, "Oh, no. I've been so wrapped up in, you know, the boys and my practice. I didn't have
00:55:13
any time to think about David in recent months. Like, how dare I? But also, she didn't want to believe that any of that
00:55:19
was true, that he like she was like, "Maybe he's not having an affair." She said later, "We were best friends. We
00:55:24
were very much in love. We were a team." That's so true. Which is really sad that
00:55:28
she thought that because they weren't. Cuz you weren't. And that's awful. It was true that David had been, you know,
00:55:33
seemed more stressed out lately. He even was seeming to snap at her and the kids
00:55:37
more often than he had in the past. But she said it hardly seemed like a reason to think he was having an affair.
00:55:43
But the more she thought about it, the more things started to fall into place. He was more distant than usual. And he
00:55:50
wasn't even just more busy with work. He was busy at home, too. He used to love to come home and sit down and play with
00:55:56
the boys for a few hours, participate in bedtime, that whole thing. But now he seemed far more interested in coming
00:56:02
home and locking himself in his music room where he would just sit around playing piano. Grow up. grew up. It
00:56:08
wasn't just that he was busy. It was like he was busying himself to avoid his family. That's not cool. So that night
00:56:14
after leaving her meeting with Diana, Clara actually called David's mother, Millie Harris, which I think Millie is
00:56:19
the cutest name. It is a really cute name. And she told Millie what she'd learned in the hope that maybe his mom
00:56:24
would know what she could do to salvage their relationship and their marriage. So rather than really share any insider
00:56:31
suggestions though, Millie just succeeded in convincing Clara that her friend had no idea what she was talking
00:56:36
about and there was no way David was having an affair, which you can understand why his mom wouldn't think
00:56:41
that. That's his mom. She's probably like, "No." Yeah. Like not my kid. No, never mind. She was like, "It's natural
00:56:48
for people married or otherwise to find others attractive, maybe even flirt a little bit." But she said David was not
00:56:53
the kind of person who would have a straightup affair. And I mean, she's probably really hoping that that's the
00:56:58
case. I think she's trying to probably convince herself of that as well. Also, if you flirt with other people while
00:57:02
we're married, you're cheating on me. I'm going to fight you. Period. After 45 minutes on the phone with her
00:57:07
mother-in-law, Clara came away pretty relieved, reassured, but then she got home that night and she just couldn't
00:57:13
shake the thought that maybe he was involved with another woman. Yeah, her gut was telling or something. So, the
00:57:18
next morning, she was getting into the shower when David came into the bathroom looking very troubled and she's like,
00:57:23
"What's wrong?" And after struggling to form his thoughts, he confessed that he had indeed been seeing another woman. He
00:57:30
said, "I think that you have to know there's somebody else." Obviously completely shattered by the
00:57:38
confirmation that her husband was definitely having an affair. She ran downstairs to the kitchen where Lindsay
00:57:44
was making breakfast. And it turned out Lindsay already knew her dad had told her.
00:57:52
The relationships here I am without words. The relationships here are without borders.
00:58:00
This is wrong on every level. It can be wrong. Yeah. Like we need some boundaries in these relationships with
00:58:06
our children. [ __ ] Yeah. The the revelation that David not only was having an affair but was having an
00:58:13
affair with an employee at their shared practice was devastating. Clara said he told me there was no intimacy between
00:58:21
them. that he'd just been lonely. Oh, there it is. [ __ ] off. Classic. Mhm. He said, "This is also I'm like, "Fuck
00:58:30
you." Oh, no. He said Gail grew up in the US and they shared a lot in common and it was nice to share that with
00:58:36
someone. So, he looked at his Colombian wife and was like, you know, she's from the US. We have more in common.
00:58:44
[ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. I don't even know how to respond to that. I would look at
00:58:50
him and be like, "We opened several practices together because I'm a successful ass [ __ ] and you have
00:58:56
more in common with your secretary because she's from the US." That is quite possibly the stupidest
00:59:04
thing I have ever heard someone say, especially in reference to like why they were
00:59:10
having an affair. I'm having an affair because she was born on American soil. Because those colors don't run. Okay.
00:59:18
That's why like that's he's essentially saying America. Like what? Yeah. You're saying this to your Colombian wife.
00:59:26
Crazy. Who has built things with you, created a family with you? I'd be like, that's cool. Your children are
00:59:33
Colombian. So what? That's the thing. I'm like, what? That's cool. These two boys that you procreated with me,
00:59:37
Colombian. Like, damn. Cool. Cool that you and Gail have the US in common. It's really nice that you guys are from Can
00:59:43
you imagine looking at anybody and just being like, "We're both from the US, so we have so much in common." What a weird
00:59:48
reason. Frankly, I don't want to have much in common with the US. What a strange ass reason reason. Holy [ __ ] So
00:59:54
that afternoon, David and Clara drove to the office where Clara confronted Gail about the affair. I mean, yeah. Which
01:00:00
like absolutely. Oh, yeah. If you're going to do it without without being physical, absolutely. Yeah. And do it
01:00:05
right away. Gail denied the relationship, but Clara said, "I know you're lying. My husband told me,
01:00:10
"You're fired." Fired her on the spot and demanded that she hand over her keys to the office and get the [ __ ] out of
01:00:16
there. Which like, great. So, at this point, support Yeah. supporting what is happening. Yeah. Then her initial
01:00:23
reaction to David's confession was to start looking for a divorce lawyer, which like let's go, girl. I guess she
01:00:29
This is so frustrating cuz you're like, you're moving in the right direction. I wish you would kept moving in this
01:00:33
direction. But later that day, after the initial shock had worn off, she decided
01:00:38
she didn't want to end her marriage, which I get. You have two [ __ ] babies together. Like, it's got to be the worst
01:00:46
kind of whiplash that you can imagine. And I understand I understand both sides. I understand when you find out
01:00:53
your husband leaves, like has stepped out on you, you get the [ __ ] out of there. And I also understand wanting to
01:00:58
fight for your marriage. Yeah, I get I get all of it. It's it's a horrible horrible situation that is unfathomable
01:01:04
really. The next day, she started the process of making herself over to be more attractive to her husband, which is
01:01:10
really sad. That's devastating. She bought sexy clothes from Victoria's Secret. She scheduled breast
01:01:16
augmentation surgery with a local plastic surgeon. And she bought a book about saving a marriage written by the
01:01:22
one and only Dr. Phil. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's that's just really sad. It is.
01:01:31
That night, she and David went to a restaurant to talk things over. And while they were there, she pushed her
01:01:36
husband to make a list comparing the attributes of both women. Oh no. So that like she could do better, I think. Oh
01:01:45
no. The lists were long and brutally honest, describing Gail as quote, "no fat, perfect body, and Clara as quote, "a
01:01:56
large person, too big." She gave birth to your [ __ ] children at the same time.
01:02:05
She was pregnant with two human beings. I'm willing to bet, David, you might get
01:02:11
a little [ __ ] bigger. Yeah. When you're growing two circulatory systems, speaking of somebody who has grown
01:02:20
circulatory systems in their body, two two at once. Two at once. Two at once. You got a little bigger. You It's going
01:02:27
to be different after a little bit. And I literally Here's the part where it's like David should not have been killed.
01:02:34
Nope. I'm going to keep saying that because I want to make sure no one takes what I'm saying differently. That is
01:02:40
what I'm saying and it that is what I believe. But that doesn't m mean that he was a
01:02:48
good guy at this point. He wasn't. He was not being a good guy. This is not a good guy in this moment. He might have
01:02:54
been a good guy his whole life. He really took a turn here. This is cruel to do to somebody. It's awful to do to
01:03:01
somebody. Body shaming your wife. If John had ever said to me, you were you're bigger, like made any kind
01:03:11
person too big. Any kind of comment about what I looked like after I gave birth to our twins. Any kind of negative
01:03:19
comment, it would have sent me into [ __ ] orbit because also, yeah, she knows because that [ __ ] is very jarring.
01:03:28
after you have kids and especially after you have multiples, you look different.
01:03:32
And it's like you get out of that shower and you look in the mirror and you go, "Whoa, who's that?" And it's even now I
01:03:39
look at them like, "Wow, you see, it's always different." That's the thing. You look incredible. You have 9year-old
01:03:44
twins, though. Like, but you're always going to look like you I had twins. I had twins. And the thing is, like these
01:03:50
were young boys. Yeah. They're big. It takes a while to get your quote unquote body back. Yeah. If you ever do. My kids
01:03:58
are We're almost a decade in and it's it's different still. It just is. It's never going the way it was before.
01:04:05
There's a lot that goes into it. You have to maintain a certain weight if you want to breastfeed. You have to like
01:04:10
there's a whole bunch of reasons why you don't just snap right now. Also, you shouldn't matter. You should look
01:04:15
different. Yeah. You did something crazy. You should look different and you should
01:04:20
have somebody that is in absolute awe of that is like, "Wow, yeah, your body's amazing. It created two of my favorite
01:04:28
people in the world." Like, that should be the trauma to do so. Yeah. And I And I hate cuz I know there's listeners that
01:04:35
are listening right now who don't have somebody doing that. And you should cuz you're beautiful. Don't kill anyone.
01:04:42
That's never the answer. But you should always have somebody who is saying, "Wow, your body is incredible." And
01:04:49
especially after you give birth, "Your body just created one of my favorite people on planet Earth." Your body just
01:04:55
did a miracle. Your body created a circulatory system. A miracle. Like, [ __ ] off. Large person too big. That's
01:05:03
so sad. And if anybody ever says that to you, you get up and you leave right then. You don't even think about it
01:05:08
twice. I don't have sympathy for the act that she committed by any means. But I have sympathy for her. I have sympathy
01:05:14
for her in this moment cuz I just can't imagine being torn down like that. That would kill me. And postpartum you're
01:05:21
already saying the worst things to yourself. And it's like that's so cruel to do. It's mean. I just wish that this
01:05:27
had gone a different way. Me too. Because like damn. Me too. So despite the obvious uh [ __ ] cruelty of
01:05:35
comparing his wife's looks to those of his mistress. among other things. David and Clara did agree to work on their
01:05:42
marriage with Clara taking most of the blame for him having an affair in the first place and also shouldering the
01:05:48
responsibility of fixing things. A few days later, they went away to the beach for a long weekend and everything seemed
01:05:54
like it was back on track to getting normal. But just two weeks later, David Harris would be dead, crushed to death
01:06:00
under the weight of his wife's Mercedes. Oh man. Yeah. It just escalated so quickly. Yeah.
01:06:09
And I would say that was a lot of information for you guys to digest. So that is where we're going to wrap up.
01:06:15
That's where we're going to wrap for part one. Oh lord. This is just sad and horrible and in every way imaginable.
01:06:25
Yeah. Every single way. Because it's just like none of this needed to happen. No. None of it. No. And again, it's also
01:06:35
like, and I'll state it again. It's not his fault that what happened to him. No.
01:06:40
Um, but if you don't want to be with your significant other, that's cool. Just don't be with them anymore.
01:06:47
Divorce. Affairs never end well. I never understand why people go into them. It's
01:06:53
like just it's not going to end well. It never does. How many affairs have I talked about on this [ __ ] podcast?
01:06:58
Exactly. End it. There'll be sad, hurt feelings, but that's much better than a murder charge and a dead person
01:07:06
involved. Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah. But emotions run so high and humans are wily
01:07:13
creatures. There's also a lot more to this story that we haven't even gotten into yet. So, stay tuned for part two.
01:07:19
It gets wy. Oh, man. And with that being said, we hope you keep listening and we
01:07:24
hope you keep it weird. weird. But that's a way that you hit your husband with a car, even if he didn't cheat on
01:07:29
you. You can't do that. Don't do that. It's really bad. [Music] [Music] [Music]