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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this this is morbid again. We got to tell you guys. Oh my god,
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guys. before we get into this absolute horror. And I know it's horror because I've done this once before. So yesterday
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we recorded a over 2 and 1/2 hour episode. >> Almost 3 hours. >> We spent almost 3 hours recording. I
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went to export the file and something happened where it was just a s not even a silent. You can hear me release the
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record button. sort of goes and then the rest is just complete silence. We tried
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for hours last night to get this thing back. We got a micro SD card reader to plug into the computer cuz we're trying
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to recover lost files off of it. >> Randomly, Drew had a micro SD reader. >> I called him to see if our computer had
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like a space and he's like, "Oh, I have one. I'm on my way." I was like, "Thank goodness."
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>> What? >> But then that didn't work. It was hours last night. After 3 hours of recording,
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we had we had like hours of trying to do this cuz we were just This is a I'm I'm
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still so stressed about this because I'm like, "This episode is [ __ ] brutal. It's a brutal episode.
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>> This is an awful case. >> In the first one, I cried four times during the recording in the first one.
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That's how brutal this episode is. So, be I don't go into graphic detail about anything, but just the it's the whole
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overarching thing of this cuz we're obviously going to get into what happened, how this ended,
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>> his >> complete nonchalant demeanor about the whole thing. >> Yep. >> And so, it was like energy-wise it was
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very taxing mentally to go through it because >> it's just so heavy. >> And then to have that for three hours,
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which like I realize like, you know, >> life could be worse. >> Life could be much worse. just listen to
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the episode. But it's so shitty when you do something like that for 3 hours, which I know other people understand,
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and then to have it just gone. >> Like we installed several different programs on my computer last night.
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>> Today, guys, >> cuz yesterday I said I after we went through the whole thing, I was like, we
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got to walk away. >> We got to walk away cuz one, I can't do this episode again right now. I don't
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have it in me. No. >> Like I can't just sit here and go through the motions in this episode. but
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it's too important and it's too heavy. And so we were like, "Okay, we'll do it tomorrow. Let's just come back
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tomorrow." So today we come back. And then I was like, "Let's just try one more thing. Just one more thing cuz I'm
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just not willing to say it was gone." And we we ended up coding. We learned to code.
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>> Coding. We coded in terminal. >> We don't even know what the [ __ ] that means.
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>> I didn't even know terminal was part of a computer. >> She's like, "Type back slashback slash
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f. I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night f >> and we're putting all these commands in
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and then finally at the end of everything we get this recovery file on the desktop.
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>> All of a sudden it populates. >> It says recovered.wave and we >> we held hands. We don't even like we
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don't hug. We're not the only time we ever give each other a hug is if one of us is getting on a plane for some reason
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or is upset obviously. I literally go, "Hold my hand." >> And we just held hands and we opened it
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and up popped a flat line again and I fell to the floor. >> She did. I can I can confirm she fell to
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the floor >> cuz we just tried. So it's one of those things where you're just like every time
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you try something you're like this is it. This is the one. >> Oh my god. We are now recording on
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several different >> Yeah. This one's not. I am currently monitoring the waveforms as this is
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>> going because also this also happened when it was just us recording with no producer or anybody in the room. So that
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>> there's that. >> Yep. >> So now we're staring at that wave file ourselves across the room. We have the
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monitor. >> Literally it's Mother's Day weekend and Elena's like we'll just do it on Monday.
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I'm like, "But I don't want you to have to worry all day Sunday." >> Because that after that last recording,
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I said, "I am so glad to have Chris Watts out of my psyche." Like, I need to walk away from this.
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>> I need to get this out of my It's going to take me a minute to get away from this. Like, when I tell you I cried four
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times during the recording, I literally cried four times during the had to stop and like
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>> just because it's all so heavy. >> It's too much. And so I was like, I can't wait to just put this out, put the
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good the information we need to put out, and then just clear it out of my brain because it's really bothering me. I am
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setting a timer right now for an hour and we're going to pause an hour into this and just make sure everything
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sounds good. It's looking good, but I just want to make sure. So, we're starting timer right now.
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>> Yeah. So, there's there's that. So, that's that's where we are. >> All right. So, you haven't heard part
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two yet, listener? No, you haven't. And >> just know that it's really [ __ ] heavy
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in this guy. It's >> heavy. >> I said I said so many things yesterday that maybe there's a reason why we
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weren't supposed to. >> Maybe we went too >> maybe we went too hard at him or >> I don't think we can go too hard at him.
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>> I don't think you can. >> Um but maybe I don't know. Maybe we said something that the universe was like, I
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don't know. >> You don't want that out there. >> Like maybe you just don't want that kind
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of vibe out there. I don't know. >> I I mean I >> Things happen for a reason. So
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>> I maintain that he's a useless bag of [ __ ] But >> I do too. I'll probably say all the same
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things. >> I'm I was going to say I'm probably going to say the same thing. Uh I think
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maybe I was, you know, trust me, we're going to get into it. Don't worry. I'm just I'm stressed. Uh maybe it was just
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like yesterday I was a little like >> nudgy. >> I felt a little nudgy. You know,
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sometimes you just feel a little nudgy. There's a lot happening and maybe that's
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what it was. It was I was too nudgy. So maybe I was getting a little too >> wasn't the right energy.
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>> Yeah, maybe that's what it I'm going to go with it. Today we had a nice little
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morning together. Yep. We had we had dance class in the morning. Not us, our children,
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>> Elena's kids dance class, >> but yeah. So, we tried new drinks this morning. >> Yeah.
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>> Oh, a blue J just flew by. >> Oh, that's a sign. >> I love blue J. And that correlates to my
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fun fact later that I've already found. >> Oh, [ __ ] Cuz I already said it. >> Oh, that's a beautiful one.
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>> Yeah, >> we also had a crow fly by and that's good luck. So, there's those are like
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our sign. >> So, there's that. And before I begin this whole thing, I I went back and I
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watched like a lot of the body cam footage from different angles, different officers. There's a lot out there. So, I
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think like honestly one of the reasons like the obviously the subject matter of this case will
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just shred you into pieces. But I think this is like the subject matter and also the
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fact that we can see so much of the timeline in real time through body cam and all that
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>> and not only so much of the timeline but so much of the nonchalants. >> That's what it is. It's like what he was
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doing while this was going on. What he was acting like while this was happening.
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>> Yep. Being able to watch a family annihilator while before he gets caught like in the
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aftermath of >> pretending that his family is missing. >> Yeah. >> Is something that I I mean I don't know
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if we have ever been able to see before. This is the first one that I know of. >> I think it's one of very few
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>> or the one that has the most that we can see >> footage. Yeah. >> Because again those discovery documents
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are just rife and horrifying. They really I'd like to say right now I think I said in the last one like they're out
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there. You can see them and they are. But I'd love to caution you. >> Yeah. >> That they do include a lot of detail.
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There's autopsy reports. >> It's a lot and it'll like really weigh heavily on you. So like I care about you
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guys >> and I don't want everybody spiraling into like a crisis here because like
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looking at those will [ __ ] you up. They just will. Um so just do that at your own risk.
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>> I think you're honestly Since I've heard this, I think you told us everything
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that that people really need to know. >> Yeah, I think I'm giving you the the facts, but there's more detail in there
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that I just don't think needs to be gone over because it's not it's too much. It
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really is. >> Um, but also when I was watching body cam footage, cuz again, all the
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different officers have them, so you get the different angles. You get to see the
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other officers reactions to his his answers or him just talking talking and how he's acting. And it's you can see
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how they're all looking at each other like they knew they knew this guy was >> nefarious from the get- go, which
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obviously they're trained to do, but he did himself no favors. >> Well, I was saying it too when we were
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talking about it just like amongst ourselves. >> These officers probably have partners of
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their own, kids of their own, and they're looking at this guy and they're like, "You're not acting right." Like
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that's they know how they would react in a situation like that. At least they can
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kind of guess, you Now, what's funny that you say that is there's actually an instance where an officer, Officer
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Perez, I believe it is, >> tries to empathize with him because he connects it to himself and his own
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person that he is in charge of >> and what he gets out of it >> shows him everything he needs to know.
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>> Yeah. Um, so while I was looking at the body cam footage of, you know, them going in the house right after she was
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reported missing, uh, I ran across this account and, um, I don't know if they still do videos like this anymore. They
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did, they have uploaded a couple of about this case actually recently of Fel Kismet. And so I don't know if they're
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still doing it like fulltime or whatever, but I wanted to shout them out because their commentary, they go
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through the body cam footage like frame by frame >> and just kind of give their thoughts on
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it. They point out things and I thought they were really insightful. I thought their what they were saying like their
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feelings about it matched mine so well that you feel very validated while watching it cuz you're like, "Yeah, [ __ ]
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this guy." >> And they have they have such a good like banter together. >> Yeah. I think they're like best friends.
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Their names are Denty and Shaz. So, it's D E N T Y and S H A Z. Uh, again, I don't know if they're doing this
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full-time anymore, so I don't know like what. But I recommend you go like take a
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peek at what they have to say because I think they were just like really great to listen to about this. Oh, yeah.
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>> And they have great accents. >> I love that. >> They just seem like people you want to
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hang around with and like talk through these theories and things with. >> Yeah. >> So, like shout out to Denty and Chaz.
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>> Shout out >> for being a good channel. And I think they're on like Instagram and YouTube
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and other places. Um, so let's begin. that uh one thing I found when I went back because I went back into the
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discovery documents and like you know I think I went through 1,500 of the 1900 documents. It's
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>> insanity >> and the only ones that I didn't go through were like a giant list of like
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there were things like you know evidence lists and stuff that I just >> like I had already seen certain pieces
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of it. >> Well, when there's so many pages like that, some of it is just like >> Yeah, there's a lot of handwritten notes
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that you can't really decipher a lot. I did see one handwritten thing that I thought was very interesting. Uh, and I
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looked around and I saw this person has never come forward with what who they are. Uh, which was kind of like a good
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thing I think at the time. I was like impressed by it. Um, this psychic medium from Massachusetts from our town wrote
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called the police while they were missing. They had not even been like none of this had come out. They didn't
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know what happened to them. Nothing. and told the police the most detailed version of events that
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they believed happened and it matches up almost exactly >> really >> like she they say that like you know
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they're going to be found I think they said like underwater or in liquid >> which is like how what did you know that
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like you didn't tell me this yesterday of death they knew the time period they I mean they just went they really like
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it was really shocking how accurate it was. And it's in the docu in the discovery documents. It's like a yellow
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piece of paper. >> It's the one of the only pieces of paper that is handwritten that is legible to
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read in the document. >> Shout out to whoever transcribed that note. >> Yeah, it definitely was legible. And
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it's but it's a psychic medium from Massachusetts who wanted to remain anonymous.
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>> Interesting. >> Which I thought was interesting cuz usually >> that's not always the case.
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>> To me, if they're [ __ ] then they want to slap their name on it. But if they're not, then they're just like, I
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want to give you this information cuz this is what I got. do with it what you will
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>> because they're not getting anything out of that. They're just along >> I had like I had a notion. I was like I
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wonder if it's this person but I won't say who it is cuz obviously they wanted I
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>> but there's only like you know it's Massachusetts. >> I have my own notion too.
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>> But that was interesting. And then another thing I saw which was um horrifying cuz you know things are going
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to get really horrifying from here on out. Um, while Shannan was in North Carolina on that fiveweek vacation, she
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ended up getting very ill, like very ill, vomiting, like really sick. And it was when Chris had come to visit. So
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Chris after the 5 weeks or like during the 5 weeks at some point at the end had come to stay with them for a few days
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and then come home. >> It was when he got there that she got very ill. >> So that's suspect.
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>> And remember, he had flipped a switch. He had flipped a switch. Everyone had said that they were all over each other
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before he left and that it was those five weeks alone without his wife and children that he suddenly decided that
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that was the life he wanted. And he flipped. He took the mask off. It didn't slip. It didn't fall down. He took it
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off and he launched it into the ocean. It was gone cuz he was a totally different human,
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>> right? >> Totally different man. Everyone around him, everyone around Shannan said they
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had no idea what happened. That has to be like just such a scary thing to experience that in and of itself before
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you even get to the horrific rest of this case, the end of it. That >> imagine your like that is your friend
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and all of a sudden this man that you've known her husband for years and years and years. You know him as one thing and
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now he's the complete opposite. That's >> while she's newly pregnant. >> Yeah. And has two young kids. Like I
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would be terrified. >> And I think they were and so fast. Well, and then all of a sudden now she's he
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showed up. Well, or not even. I'm saying like while she's in North Carolina, he showed up and she's violently ill
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suddenly. >> Yeah. And >> when she's been fine, >> everyone thought it was strange. And one
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of the things that is in there that her family said, like witnesses said, she said was that while she was sick,
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usually because everybody did describe him as this, usually he was pretty doting and pretty like he he was caring
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for. >> Yeah. His mom said like >> Yeah, >> that kind of bothered her. >> Oh yeah, his mom it pissed her off. He
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was soing. >> Um, but even like her mother was like, "Yeah, he was normally like very
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attentive and like took care of her >> like a husband, >> like you know, partner."
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>> That's how he's always been. And like that's how her friends saw him too. Like
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and that's how she saw him. >> And suddenly she's 15 weeks pregnant and violently ill. And he's and she wrote in
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a text message that he just existed while she was like that. He he didn't seem to care. And for someone to be
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because John, like just using this as a personal example, like John is a very attentive husband. Like I can tell you
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he is if I'm sick, he's going to take care of me. It's not going to be just go upstairs and go lay down. He's going to
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take care of me. >> Yeah. He's going to order. He's going to make sure you're taking the toast. He's
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going to like do all the things. Like he's a great >> He's going to take the girls out of the
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house so you can get some quiet. He's going to come back with like something for you to eat.
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>> Exactly. like he's that kind of husband, >> right? >> If I got sick one day and he suddenly
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just didn't give a [ __ ] >> just existed, >> that would throw me for such a [ __ ]
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loop. >> And it would especially if pregnant when your husband or your partner is a
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million times more >> Yeah. >> attentive. >> Exactly. >> Like that they wouldn't just stop all of
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a sudden. If I got violently ill while pregnant, which like I was very lucky that I didn't have like any morning
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sickness while pregnant, I was not violently ill all the time. >> Hopefully that runs in our family when
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my time. >> I feel very lucky that way cuz I I'm sure people listening are like, "Bitch,
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like cuz I know, trust me." Especially with twins, I should have probably gotten very sick, but I luckily didn't.
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But if I did and he just didn't care, I would feel so and this is what bothers me. Like I would feel so alone. Well, we
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were saying that yesterday. Like the thing that so much of this case breaks my heart, but one of the biggest things
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that breaks my heart is like one they were arguing at the end of of their of Shenan and the kids lives suspecting
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that he was cheating. >> She's suspecting that he's cheating. So that's a nightmare. They're fighting all
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the time. And it's not only a nightmare for her, it's a nightmare for the kids because they're hearing their parents
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>> of course >> fight all the time when it doesn't really seem like they did fight all that
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often beforehand. >> So it's sudden. >> So it's like this weird change up that everybody's in this like turmoil and
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tension >> at the end of their life. Like that's cuz I was saying this earlier when we
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talked about this yesterday that I was thinking about it earlier yesterday and I was like you know we as humans at the
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end of someone's life if we're lucky enough to know that someone's at the end of their life
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>> are across the board we try to make that person comfortable >> and happy and we try to make those last
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moments the most peaceful lovely special moments ever. Like we even do that for dogs.
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>> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like if we know that this is it, we try to give them a
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last like great memory. >> We just do that. >> Y >> and these people and every victim of a
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violent crime. And I I think it just never hit me in on this angle >> is like to this degree.
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>> Shannan and Bella and Celeste, what horror >> the end of their moments were. And it's
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like that is like really churning my stomach. Like it's like killing me inside. I'd like to think about it and
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it's always bothered me when we talk about of course you know murder cases obviously like that is not lost on me
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something about this one and seeing him and how he acted made it even more real and even more like hitting me in like
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this place I didn't know I existed basically >> well and I don't think we've covered
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very many like family annihilator case like like um >> and not like this >> when you know and specifically like when
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the husband kills the entire family because in our minds like that's the person that protects the family. So for
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that to just be flipped on its head the way that it is in this case and kicked around in the mud and
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>> well in these >> you know the other thing and we'll get to it towards the end.
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>> I think that's like really weighing on me with this one is he had 45 minutes.
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>> Can I actually tell you something >> that was actually just wild that you said that when you did? I looked down at
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my phone and we have 45 minutes left on the timer before I checked the file. That was wild.
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>> That is very weird. >> That just like actually just gave me a chill. >> That's weird because he had 45 minutes
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in the car with Bella and Celeste alive >> to change his mind while he was driving
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them. >> And he even said that he knew he had all that time and he said, "I I don't like
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why didn't I do it?" >> Did he say like what was going Did he Did he ever say what was going through
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his mind in those 45 minutes? >> No. Not that I read. I honestly don't want to read it too far. I just I'm like
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I >> How do you not change your mind? >> If you can sit in a car for 45 minutes with a three and a four-year-old's
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little baby that's yours and do what he did to them after 45 minutes. I think that's the part that's like cuz every
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murder is horrific. Every family annihilation is horrific. We've just never I've never come across one with a
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person drove for 45 minutes with their babies in the car alive and still decided to do it. No.
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>> I think that's the part that's like really getting me about this case is like
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>> I mean they fell asleep. >> Yeah. like the nothing. One thing, the amount of pictures on my camera roll of
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my kids asleep that I take creepily because when I go in their room to check on them, they look
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>> the most angelic and sweet that they will ever look is when they're sleeping.
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Like that just like will melt you if you are a human being. And he's not. >> No,
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>> he's a [ __ ] concrete block of [ __ ] Like he really is. He's nothing. >> He's nothing. Mhm.
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>> He has nothing. >> What did you say yesterday? You said he's not even worth the molecules that
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build his body. >> Yeah, he's not worth them. >> No, >> he is not worth the molecules that that
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make him up. He's just not He's a waste of those. >> So, they thought that back to when he's
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visiting in >> and he doesn't care and he doesn't care. >> She's sick. >> He later admitted, you were saying,
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>> this is the horrifying thing. He later admitted that he was slipping Shenan oxies in her drinks and things
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and in her food to try to encourage a miscarriage and she's over 3 months pregnant.
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>> Yeah, she was 15 weeks pregnant. He is trying to poison his pregnant wife without her knowledge to try to induce a
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miscarriage. Like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you? >> Which also miscarriages are horrendous.
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>> Of course they are. >> And to try to induce that in your wife and that far along is something I cannot
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compre I'm like that was the first step of evil. >> Well that's I can't even comprehend.
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>> Miscarriage are not miscarriages are not only horrific but incredibly dangerous.
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Like she could have died. >> Yeah. And he maybe that was the intention as well. >> Maybe it was.
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>> But it's like I said this so many times yesterday when we were talking. I don't
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understand why he didn't just and this would have been shitty too, but I don't understand why he just didn't get in his
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car and drive away and spend his [ __ ] life with Nicole or whoever the [ __ ] he
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wanted to just leave them. Obviously, that's going to be tough for them, but there's tools and they have a community
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that surrounds them that they'll be okay. That's the thing. Shannan and these girls had enough people around
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them that loved them deeply and had friends around them that loved them deeply that they would have had a
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padding. They would have had somewhere to fall. It would have been hard. It would have been the end of their [ __ ]
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lives. >> They would have been better off for it. They would have been better off for not
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having this man in their life at all. >> And how do you not sit there like that's
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that's where it's like I don't and I we said this yesterday like we hate to armchair diagnose but he's a psychopath.
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I don't even think that's armchair diagnosing. I >> It's so It's slapping us all at me for
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that. Like that's your business. But like >> I don't understand. >> He's a psychopath.
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>> Absolutely. Because I don't understand that not occurring to him. >> No. >> Why can't why like abandoning your
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family is in your mind worse than murdering them? >> That's what >> Why didn't you just leave? But you know
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why? Because he didn't want his life to be interrupted. He didn't want to have to go away. Well, and also if he leaves,
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he knows there's a possibility. >> They'll track you down. You're always going to have this tie to
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this responsibility. No matter what it even if you're not taking that responsibility on, it's still there. But
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there's wiped out. >> There's a million dads that don't pay child support. >> Well, and also, how's that working out
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for you, >> right? >> How's that working out for you better? How's that working out for you in prison
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where we now know that you are in fear of your life every minute of every day? >> Yeah.
00:24:05
>> How's that working out? >> Yep. >> You [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] >> It's unreal.
00:24:09
>> So, yeah. So, there's that horrible fact, but I have to go back to some of the body cam because in the interim I
00:24:15
found more and it's just too insane not to talk about. He is diabolically stupid. Diabolically stupid. Anybody who
00:24:23
says this man was smart or this man because also I don't think he's autistic. No. A couple of people were
00:24:29
trying to Not everybody who hyperfixates on something and doesn't show a lot of emotion is autistic. He's a psychopath.
00:24:37
>> Yeah, >> he's an evil psychopath and that does not correlate to autism. No, >> maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Nowhere in
00:24:45
anything I found said that he was. So, we're not going to just label him autistic.
00:24:50
>> No. And I that was just something I saw that I was like, "Okay, we're not doing
00:24:53
that." >> Yeah, you need a we need a lot more evidence of a lot more different things.
00:24:57
>> And you know what? He's it's much easier to call him a psychopath because that is
00:25:00
clear as day he is. >> Uh but he's stupid. If you blew in one of his ears and there was a candle at
00:25:05
the other one, you blow the candle out. >> Just a wind tunnel. >> So the investigators have him call the
00:25:13
bank and the credit card. Like this is right after they get to the house. when they're in the house when right now the
00:25:19
girls Bella and Celeste and Shannan and unborn baby Nico are missing that's so they say hey you should call the bank
00:25:28
you should call the credit cards see if she's made any transactions anything's come out of her account
00:25:32
>> and he says so he does and you can see the wheels turning in his head like do I
00:25:36
answer this you know truthfully or not and they're like hey like did they say anything on the phone and he says the
00:25:42
last one was on August 12th and it was a taxi Mhm. >> Now, it's pre it's right now when we're
00:25:49
talking to him. August 13th. >> They have been missing since that morning, August 13th,
00:25:54
>> when he saw >> August 12th, the day prior she was in Arizona and the girls were in bed.
00:26:01
>> Yep. >> So, that's not relevant. And and I'm not saying like he didn't he said it like
00:26:07
that, but then the way he says it is he says it almost like there it is. She got
00:26:13
in a taxi, everybody. And it's like, do you not remember what day it is? >> Right.
00:26:17
>> And I don't think he did. >> You saw her at 4:00 a.m. this morning. >> She got home at 1:48 a.m. on August 13th
00:26:25
today. >> Right. And also like >> you saw her this morning. >> Her suitcase is by the door. Her shoes
00:26:30
are by the door. Maybe her car's in the [ __ ] garage. >> Here's the thing. I think he forgot what
00:26:36
day it was. >> 100%. >> I also think cuz he knew he was going to do this kind this [ __ ] I don't know if
00:26:43
he knew today was the day he was gonna actually I do think he thought that through because as we'll get there was
00:26:48
something happening that day that I think he wanted to make sure it didn't go through quite yet.
00:26:53
>> Oh, >> and you remember it now. I shocked you yesterday with it. I know. >> So sad that we can't that I can't shock
00:27:00
revelations yesterday, but I >> but now you know them. Yeah. >> Uh they'll still just be horrified.
00:27:04
Yeah, I was going to say. Uh, but I do think one of the main things that needs to be pointed out again and again is
00:27:10
that um Shenan's friends like Nicole and Cassandra and Nate and all the people around her that made a big [ __ ] stink
00:27:20
about this to make sure that he that he got home, that the police were called, that this didn't go throughout the day,
00:27:26
that they weren't waiting around to see if she showed up. All those people were the reason that he didn't get to
00:27:32
formulate a better cover story, that he didn't get get to cover up any of his tracks.
00:27:37
>> No. Because they were blatantly out there >> and that everyone was immediately
00:27:40
suspicious of them. They are the heroes in this story. >> They got they came through for their
00:27:46
friend and everybody needs friends like these people. >> Yes. >> Like Nicole Atinson, everybody needs
00:27:52
one. Mhm. >> I'm tell like >> and it's just it he's just when and we're going to go
00:28:02
through it what he did during this day that none of it makes sense. >> No, >> none of it makes sense. So they ask
00:28:08
about the charge and he's like, "Oh yeah, August 12th she got in a taxi." And they're like, "Does it say where or
00:28:14
what time or like what the taxi service was?" Cuz they're still thinking like, you know, at this point maybe they don't
00:28:18
know that he's claiming that she was home this morning. >> Yeah. So you you would answer in this
00:28:24
instance cuz you know that that was yesterday. >> You would probably answer, "Well, she
00:28:28
was in Arizona, so that might have been to the airport or something. It's not from today."
00:28:31
>> But he doesn't do that. He says, "No, it just says taxi." >> Like, "Oh, fuck."
00:28:37
>> Like he says it like, "I I think we've got a lead here, fellas." And even the
00:28:42
[ __ ] officer was like, "Well, that was yesterday." >> Yeah. >> So like, "Let's move on."
00:28:47
>> Like he tried to use that. And you see him try to do this a couple of times. Try like he takes something that someone
00:28:52
says and he's like, "Oh yeah, maybe that was it." And it's like, "You're a dumbass." Cuz everyone is giving you
00:28:58
little tethers to grab cuz they want to see how you react. >> Exactly. It is >> smarter than you. Every single person
00:29:03
around you is smarter than you. >> Yep. >> He also said there was a $27 charge at
00:29:09
Target on August 13th. >> I said that's an act of self-restraint. >> It really is $27. But obviously by
00:29:15
August 13th, we now know that Shannan was no longer alive. >> Is it like a pending charge?
00:29:21
>> So it probably just took a bit to show up. But either way, he is so pleased to
00:29:26
be able to say this cuz he makes it seem like, well, she must be out at Target. Like she ran away with the kids and she
00:29:31
bought something at Target. >> It's like, yeah, her she got her go bag and for $27.
00:29:36
>> Yeah. And didn't bring any of their medication with them or her purse, their car seats, anything. She wore any of
00:29:42
their clothing. Nothing like that. >> Like nothing. Her cell phone. >> Yeah. >> Ring.
00:29:48
>> But the investigator calls him out. The investigator's like, "Yeah, those charges take a couple of days to show
00:29:52
up. That probably wasn't from today." >> Said, "I'm a frequent flyer." >> You can really see these investigators
00:29:57
just going, "Good try." >> Yeah, good try. Now they ask this. This one drives me crazy. And I got John to
00:30:05
validate this one for me. He's on my side. I'm sure not everyone's going to feel the same way, but this personally
00:30:11
irked me. >> Mhm. The investigators asked if the girls had a favorite pair of shoes they
00:30:16
like to wear a lot. He said just a pair that they love to like a go-to pair of shoes.
00:30:20
>> And he says, "No." >> What the actual [ __ ] >> Lies. >> I know all of those girls downstairs. I
00:30:28
know all of their favorite shoes. >> Yeah. >> You have two little girls. I know someone is inevitably going to tell me
00:30:35
I'm wrong because their kid doesn't have a pair of favorite pair of shoes. And that's fine.
00:30:39
>> You're in the minority. I think >> the likelihood of two gals with a fashionloving mama, which was clearly
00:30:45
what Shannan was, >> not having a go-to favorite pair of shoes. >> That means that's crazy work to me.
00:30:52
>> Incorrect. >> That alone and it's the way he answers. I will say it a million times and I
00:30:58
don't care. My body would not be able to form a smile during my my family being missing. It just wouldn't it would
00:31:05
forget how to do it. I would just be in a state of absolute >> terror and grace and
00:31:12
>> I would be like Nicole Atkinson is. >> Yeah. Which she's seen on the body. >> When you watch that body cam footage,
00:31:19
you can see the moment that she sees that her medication is still there. It clicks for her and you can see that that
00:31:28
is a real that is someone that is someone that is missing right now. She grabs her heart and she starts kind of
00:31:34
just like looking around like, "Oh [ __ ] this is really happening." >> She has the reaction of somebody who
00:31:39
loves somebody deeply, >> loved those girls, loved Shannan, and now knows something is bad.
00:31:46
>> And you can see it all over her face. And it shook me like watching human reaction.
00:31:50
>> And watching that one little clip, you feel like you shouldn't see it. >> I know
00:31:55
>> because it's such like a real moment. It's so raw >> of grief and and it just it sticks with
00:32:01
me. I can see it in my brain. But what happens is when they ask about the shoes, he goes no
00:32:07
>> and smiles like this big cheese smile like no. Like I don't know [ __ ] about my
00:32:12
kids. What do you mean? >> Like and then he so he brings them over to a closet and he's like no I just tell
00:32:18
them to go get their shoes. >> And I'm like okay but they probably usually get the same shoes. That's how
00:32:23
kids work. >> But he stands in front of the closet and he goes Bella's are on this side.
00:32:27
Celeste or and Cece's are on this side. And just so >> he's sitting there looking down at these
00:32:34
little baby girls shoes all over the floor and there is nothing. There's nothing. And we all know what he did to
00:32:43
those babies. >> Morning to have nothing. >> No nothing. >> Looking at like the remnants of their
00:32:49
life. >> Nothing. >> How I would be sobbing. You're not a dad. >> And especially even these people he's
00:32:56
trying to make them think that they're just missing. Even if they're just missing, I'm breaking down at the sight
00:33:02
of their little shoes. Yeah. I'm breaking down. >> You wouldn't even be able to like direct
00:33:05
them to the closet. Like like >> you wouldn't even be able to walk over with them and look. You'd just be like
00:33:10
they're in the front closet over there. >> Like I can't look. I'm going to lose my
00:33:12
mind. Like I'm going to lose my mind. >> Like I'd be holding shoes. I'd be like I'd be a mess. Like a mess. He doesn't
00:33:20
even have >> a slight And it's these kind of things that when you watch this body cam
00:33:25
footage will [ __ ] you up. It's not graphic. It's not gruesome. It's not that [ __ ] It's him. It'll [ __ ] you up.
00:33:34
The psych like the p psychologically damaging part of this is watching him not care.
00:33:40
>> That's how vacant he is. >> It really is. And when he is lying or when he's getting asked something that's
00:33:48
difficult for him to answer, he has a tell >> a couple where he has a couple. He'll
00:33:53
close his eyes. He'll blink a lot. He does this thing with his jaw where he like kind of does like an underbite
00:33:59
rigid thing. >> Yeah. >> Uh and he does it a lot. He does it a lot during the surveillance vid uh video
00:34:06
like showing when Nate is there. >> Yep. >> He does it during the interview and he
00:34:11
does it here when he's trying. I think it's when he's trying to like calm his nervous system.
00:34:16
>> He's doing it right now actually. >> Yeah. But I hope he is I hope he's in a permanent state of her
00:34:21
>> lock jaw. >> Yeah. Just straight up locked jaw. It's very interesting he does it here. They
00:34:25
walk into the bedroom, the main bedroom, and they see that he has stripped the bed entirely. Now, remember, I just want
00:34:32
everyone to remember, at this point, he had not been home. He left for work at what he said was 5:15, 5:30 in the
00:34:40
morning, leaving his wife in bed in the bed sheets and everything. >> And then he went to work. This is the
00:34:47
first time he got home. Why is the bed stripped >> and where is everything? And he says
00:34:52
it's because she had airport on her. Yeah. He said, "Well, she had gotten home last night straight from the
00:34:57
airport, so she would have wanted to do that at 4 in the morning." >> Well, he's trying to say like she would
00:35:02
have washed them, but in that case, they would have found them, everybody say it
00:35:06
together, in the wash machine. >> Yeah. >> Instead, >> they found them in the trash.
00:35:12
>> And they didn't even find all of them. >> Nope. Find them in the fitted sheet.
00:35:16
Right. And it was missing the top sheet. Yeah. And we will find out why later. And the girls beds were missing their
00:35:21
sheets, too, right? >> Yeah. The girls beds were missing certain sheets and then later they end
00:35:25
up being made. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yeah. He He switches that all up.
00:35:31
>> What? >> Yeah. So, he tells them that they had a discussion at 4:00 a.m. when he woke up.
00:35:38
So, he woke up he woke her up at 4:00 a.m. after she got home at 1:48 a.m. So, she had probably slept for less than 2
00:35:46
hours. And he wakes her up at 4:00 a.m. to talk about separating and selling the
00:35:51
house. Awesome. And he said, and when they were like, "Why did why did you choose 4:00 a.m.?" Like, what the day?
00:35:58
So, she got home from a trip less than 2 hours earlier >> and was asleep and you woke her up to
00:36:05
tell her like, "Hey, [ __ ] you >> essentially." >> And they were like, and he was like,
00:36:09
"Well, I didn't want to like text her or like, you know, that stuff or do it when
00:36:14
I would have to text her. you live with her, >> right? >> Just wait until you get home from work
00:36:19
when you can actually like wait until you put the girls to sleep and then have a discussion.
00:36:23
>> He cannot put one in one together. He is the dumbest [ __ ] I've ever heard. And
00:36:28
and again, kudos to Shenan's friends for making it. So, he has to think on his [ __ ] feet because one thing Chris
00:36:36
stupid ass Watts can't do is think on his goddamn feet. That's one thing that man is. I pick things up and I put them
00:36:43
down and that's as far as he can think. >> Yep. He's a true idiot. And it also has
00:36:48
nothing to do with the fact that he likes cars go or that he's an automotive technician or whatever he was because
00:36:55
>> Drew also works with cars and we never said that they were stupid. >> No, nobody ever said that.
00:37:01
>> Yeah. If I'm saying somebody is stupid, I mean the murderer is stupid. Not the
00:37:07
job he does, not the industry as a whole. I literally just said cars >> and you guys took that and we're
00:37:14
>> and only a couple people did. But I was like >> only a couple. >> Please just know that we are never
00:37:19
personally attacking you when we're talking about a family annihilation. >> No, it's not about you.
00:37:25
>> Yeah. Don't make a family annihilation about you or about cars or anything like
00:37:29
that. >> About cars. >> It's about this dumbass piece of [ __ ] And what it is about is Shenan, unborn
00:37:35
baby Nico, Celeste, and Bella. That's who it's about. >> Period. But I just had to put that out
00:37:40
there that we're not saying if he works with cars you're stupid. He is stupid by
00:37:44
nature. That's he be born stupid. That's what he was. >> TM. >> Um so yeah, so he's an idiot. Um so
00:37:50
they're like they're like that's crazy that you did that right before work. Uh but they're like sure. All right. People
00:37:58
do stupid things, I guess. >> And they ask about they're like oh you know what we saw a bed in the basement.
00:38:03
>> What's that about? And they said, "This is kind of fitting. They said now you're
00:38:08
saying that you were talking about separating. Like I'm assuming she kicked you out into the basement a couple of
00:38:12
times and you had to sleep there." >> And he's like, "Yeah, we had some marital problems." Which like they did.
00:38:16
>> Yeah. >> And this wasn't when I say the the switch was flipped before she went to
00:38:21
North Carolina. They had some marital problems. It just wasn't like exploding. Yeah. And it was more like financial
00:38:28
stuff and it was more, you know, things with his family and like that kind of [ __ ] And like in the end they always
00:38:35
came together and they always kind of like worked through it. The the switch was flipped when it was like he just
00:38:41
stopped caring about her >> and he just like wouldn't entertain those conversations.
00:38:44
>> Wouldn't go near her. >> He wasn't even really arguing anymore. >> So that there was some marital problems
00:38:49
but and he said sometimes he would sleep down there and they ask when the last time was he slept down there. Now, he
00:38:55
says, "I sleep down there when we have marital problems. When I can't sleep in my bed with her."
00:39:01
>> Yeah. >> So, she has to be in the house when we're talking about that. They say,
00:39:05
"When's the last time you had to sleep down there?" And he goes, "Probably two nights ago, three nights ago." Oh,
00:39:12
>> why would you sleep down there when it was just you? She was in Arizona during
00:39:16
that time. >> He also says, and that this is a whole other part of it. One, she's in Arizona.
00:39:21
Two, he's always saying in this body cam footage that he's got to be upstairs when the kids are in bed cuz that's
00:39:26
where the monitor is. >> Yeah. >> So the kids are in bed on the third floor and you're in the basement. No.
00:39:31
What? Because also you didn't even hear this part. He catches himself. >> Yeah. >> He knows that that's not true. And he
00:39:37
also knows that makes no sense. Exactly. >> Because he just said he sleeps down there when he's in trouble with his wife
00:39:42
who is in bed. >> You just slept there for fun. >> Catches himself. He says two nights ago,
00:39:48
three nights ago. Well, um, when she was here, so probably Thursday or Friday. >> So, he catches himself mid lie,
00:39:56
realizes, "Oops, I just [ __ ] up here." And then he's like, "Uh, well, it was when she was here, obviously, cuz I did
00:40:04
just say that." Like and you can see one of the officers, I think it's officer, he covers his mouth and you can tell
00:40:11
he's looking at the other officers like, >> "Fuck, >> this guy is not only a monster clearly.
00:40:18
He's a [ __ ] idiot." Y >> like they're all like, "What? How does he >> Well, they're all looking at each other
00:40:22
like, "Oh, wow. We're standing in a family annihilator's house." And I do wonder like when you watch it cuz you
00:40:28
again I'm going to read some of the reports too where they put their own >> opinions
00:40:33
>> opinions and what they were feeling in there and saying like I thought it was
00:40:36
strange that he acted this way. >> Like it does make you wonder while the officers are standing there like next to
00:40:42
a play kitchen >> in the living room like a little pink play kitchen >> if they're just looking at this guy and
00:40:47
being like, "Oh, he might have killed his little girls." >> Yeah. and we're just sitting here having
00:40:53
to listen to his dumbass come up with every lie under the sun. >> And you have to be like somewhat cordial
00:41:00
to get the information out of him to get like the not even the correct information but to catch him in these
00:41:04
fuckups >> and you have to find proof. So it's like you can't even accuse like outright. You
00:41:09
have to >> you have to play a part for a while. >> Yeah. It's like that that >> in this particular case I'm like damn.
00:41:16
But again, you can you can see it on their faces, especially because the next thing they say, which I thought was
00:41:21
really cool, like a good idea. They were like, "Hey, okay, like your marital problems are your business, like
00:41:27
whatever." And they're like, "So maybe she just doesn't want to talk to you. Like maybe she did leave and she's mad
00:41:33
at you and she doesn't want to talk to you. So she maybe her friends are covering for her and saying that, you
00:41:39
know, she's not with them because she just doesn't like to see your [ __ ] face." So they're like, "So why don't
00:41:44
you call your friends and tell them if she is with you, I don't need to know, but just please have her call the police
00:41:51
so that we can know that she's okay. She does not have to talk to me. She can talk to the police."
00:41:55
>> Right? >> And he's like, "Got it." And then he's like, "Have you called all all of her
00:42:00
friends? You've called everyone you know." And he's like, "Yeah, I've exhausted all the friends I know." And
00:42:04
then he goes, "But Nicole, her friend, like her friend Nicole Atkinson, she probably knows more because she's a
00:42:10
woman." What? You said this the and I said what >> you know women >> literally says Nicole because like woman
00:42:24
>> like we just know more people. >> We I'm I'm sorry. We have friends like I don't
00:42:29
>> keep track of our community. >> You you know us women always >> having friends like I don't what does
00:42:37
that mean? Always knowing people's names like >> Yeah, maybe. What is that? Like I was
00:42:42
like, you you can't what is that? >> And he says it like >> like [ __ ] women like I don't know if
00:42:48
that was that was what you thought it was like probably not. >> And the police officers are even like
00:42:55
like what was that? Like are you trying to be like what was that? So they're like hey he's like there is somebody
00:43:02
else I can call. So he call he makes a call to someone. This shook me to my core because he says, "Now, if you were
00:43:08
calling someone in this instance, you would say, hey, I'd be like, hey, it's Elena." Like,
00:43:14
>> this is urgent. >> This is really like I just need to tell you this. >> Like, John and the kids are missing.
00:43:20
Have you seen them today? I just need to know. Like, that would be it would be like, hey, this is who I am. This is
00:43:25
what's going on. Okay, call me. >> Right. >> No, he calls and says, hey, it's Chris
00:43:29
Watts. Not too bad. Uh, hey, have you seen Shannan today? Not too bad. >> I didn't add the not too bad in there.
00:43:39
That's exactly how he says it. >> It's on It's recording. >> Hey, it's Chris Watts. The person
00:43:45
obviously that says, "Hey, Chris. How you doing?" Not too bad. >> Not too bad. >> Too bad.
00:43:51
>> Not too bad. Your whole family is missing. >> Your entire family is missing. >> Not too bad.
00:43:56
>> Your entire family is missing and there is no evidence that they left of their
00:43:59
own valition. >> I would love to see him on a good day. that I'm like what did you No human
00:44:06
being acts like this. >> No. >> If they are innocent or even or if if they're trying to act innocent
00:44:12
>> cuz that's the other thing. You're trying to act innocent. You're standing in a your house full of cops and they're
00:44:18
watching you take this phone call and respond to how are you with >> not too bad.
00:44:23
>> Not too bad. >> And then he's like all right. Okay. >> Talk to you later. >> Talk to you later.
00:44:28
>> And he's smiling. If you pause it, he smiles. It is unbelievable. And it's in
00:44:34
front of all these officers who are looking at each other like, "Did he just say not too bad?" Like, "What the fuck?"
00:44:38
>> Like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" >> It's unbelievable. So, even so, again, this is when two like um Nicole points
00:44:47
out because she's a good friend. She's like, "Wait, she has medication she takes all the time and her purse is
00:44:52
sitting on the counter where it shouldn't be if she left of her own valition." So, she's like, "Let me check
00:44:57
in her purse." So, she checks in her purse and she's like, you can see there's like this glimmer of hope. No,
00:45:02
there's glimmer of hope in her face where she's like, "Maybe it's not in there. Maybe it's if it's not in there,
00:45:07
that means maybe she grabbed it and she's looking and then you can see it drop and she just says it's in there."
00:45:14
And she and you can tell like she's like, "Fuck." And that's when she like grabs her heart. She's pacing around
00:45:19
like the other officers go in another room and they're looking through things and they're like, "Hey, like so these
00:45:26
two little girls were on like nebulizers and and they had asthma and had like um
00:45:30
inhalers and all of it is here >> and these are things they would need with them." Like you can see them all
00:45:38
sitting there going, "How is this guy trying to act like >> too bad?" And that's how you know like
00:45:43
he thought he was going to get home from work that day. he was going to be able to wipe that place clean. He thought he
00:45:50
was gonna get rid of all the medicine. He was gonna get rid of her purse, maybe stash her cell phone somewhere. He was
00:45:57
going to get rid of anything that would have indicated that they couldn't have left on their own.
00:46:02
>> And then his story was going to be that they abandoned him and that he could never find them and he could never see
00:46:08
his girls again. That was going to be his story. And her friends said, "Fuck off. I don't think so." Because not only
00:46:14
that, her friends all say, everyone around her says and her family says they loved Chris. They did not. This wasn't
00:46:22
one of those situations that were like, "We just tolerated Chris cuz like she >> he was always wearing his mask."
00:46:27
>> They loved him. He had the mask on the whole time. But this is one of those unique situations where everyone loved
00:46:33
him >> and then when that mask was tossed away, they said, "Well, I don't know who the
00:46:37
[ __ ] >> they said. We that's too big to deny." Like none of them could ignore it. So
00:46:43
all of them said, "I never would have thought this, but yeah, now I do think he did it." Like that's how bad he was
00:46:50
and how he just let the evil just completely take over when he did this. When he decided he was going to do this,
00:46:57
he just let it leech out and nobody could deny it. Even people who had loved him like a son.
00:47:02
>> Yep. >> It's like his It was honestly his family was the only ones that it fooled.
00:47:06
>> Yeah. But even while talking to officers the next day, cuz remember when we were
00:47:12
talking about the porch interview, the infamous porch interview that cooked his ass, he said the only memory he could
00:47:18
come up with of how what he misses about his children. >> Finish your dinner or you don't get a
00:47:22
treat, >> yelling at them about not eating dinner and not getting a dessert >> and shoving them on their own couch to
00:47:27
watch their own show. >> Not I miss snuggling them. I want to grab them and hold them and smell them,
00:47:32
hear their giggles or lay with them when they sleep. if I want to >> running around in the morning, like
00:47:38
nothing like that. Just I want to make I want to tell them I want to disappoint them and tell them they can't have
00:47:43
dessert. >> Uh today he had a he had another one. >> Oh, >> he said um he just misses when they
00:47:49
would throw chicken nuggets at him. >> That took me out that absolutely fried me.
00:47:54
>> Like that's how you know like >> he hated this. >> You have to try to human better in this
00:48:01
kind of situation. >> He's not safe. For some reason, these are the only memories that he can
00:48:06
conjure because all he can think right now is, "Oh man, [ __ ] I'm free of all that. I don't have to tell them to eat
00:48:11
their dinner anymore. I don't have to sit there and watch Bubble Guppies while they're on their couch and I can't watch
00:48:17
my show. And I don't have to sit there and get pelleted with chicken nuggets, even though that's [ __ ] hilarious."
00:48:21
>> Exactly. He doesn't want There's no >> He can't conjure an actual memory of him
00:48:27
caring about them and having a sweet interaction with them >> cuz he just doesn't care. because he's
00:48:32
so happy to be free of them, which is so [ __ ] >> I'm glad he didn't know how to human in
00:48:38
this scenario >> because he he sunk his own [ __ ] >> because like whatever Google search he
00:48:41
did to learn how to act like a grieving father, it failed him so spectacularly that I'm so glad it did.
00:48:47
>> He was too busy looking up lyrics. >> He couldn't He could not human in this moment.
00:48:53
>> And he says and then they're like, "Hey, what did the girls usually wear to bed?"
00:48:57
Like what? >> Oh my god. Now, he's been a father of girls for four years. >> Yep.
00:49:04
>> Fathers of girls out there or or of just little kids who like to wear night gowns.
00:49:10
You know what a night gown is. >> Correct. >> Because you have kids that wear night
00:49:14
gowns. Even people who don't have kids, I think could say they know what a night
00:49:19
gown is. >> They're like, "Hey, does like one of the officers is like, do you know do they
00:49:24
wear night gowns? Do they wear like PJs usually? like what do they love to wear?
00:49:28
What were they wearing last night? And he was like I they were like they have like dresses that they go to sleep in
00:49:34
>> a night gown. >> That's literally what a night gown. It says it in the name night gown. That's
00:49:40
what that is. A dress that you sleep in at night. >> He's so stupid. >> And you know like Shannan was like, "Oh,
00:49:48
can you grab me that night gown?" Or like, "Hey, can you toss their night gown in the laundry gown it is?" Like
00:49:53
you know what it is. You know what it is. And then he's like, "No, I don't remember what they went to bed in last
00:49:58
night." And even one of the officers is like, "You put them to bed though, you said, cuz Shannan wasn't home. You had
00:50:03
to get them in the PJs >> and you don't recall." >> I always remember what the [ __ ] they're
00:50:07
wearing. >> Yeah. >> Like free to keep track of. >> Like that. You put them in the in the
00:50:12
pajamas. You remember what pajamas they're going to be. >> Not only that, you put them in the
00:50:15
pajamas. You also check on them throughout the night. You're sitting there later on. He's sitting there
00:50:19
saying he check he's upstairs because he's checking in on the monitor. I always check on the kids every so many
00:50:25
pair maybe not every but so many parents I know your kids are at my house I go in
00:50:29
there three times through the night if I wake up I'm like I should go check on >> them
00:50:32
>> I should just go check on them >> and I know what they're wearing >> you know what they're wearing you put
00:50:36
them in it like it's like come on so that's stupid he just doesn't want to give them anything when K-9 officers
00:50:42
come this is what the report says now the K9 officer came in it says while speaking with Chris about appropriate
00:50:49
items such as shoes and clothing. The K-9 officer stated the importance of the items not being touched by anyone else.
00:50:57
Each time Deputy Cotch asked Chris about specific items, he mentioned that he had
00:51:02
in some way touched them. And you can see it in the video. She's like, "Okay, like we're going to need this so we can
00:51:08
have like their scent on it." And he's like, "Well, I did touch that. Well, I did throw that in the laundry. Well, I
00:51:14
did rub my body all over that. Well, I did spit on that. Well, I did clutch that. Well, I did walk around with that.
00:51:21
You touched every item in this house. >> Why would you do that? >> After she specifically told you not to
00:51:26
>> and it's just physically not poss cuz they're like in the last like however many hours like you and he's
00:51:34
like yeah last night I just touched the guy through this house. >> I literally touched everything in this
00:51:38
house. >> Tasmanian devild. >> Because he doesn't want them to think that he can get a clear they can get a
00:51:42
clear scent. And he wants them to know my scent will be on everything. >> Mhm. And not because I did it, but
00:51:48
because I just touch things all the time. >> But also like your scent is probably
00:51:51
going to be on there anyway, [ __ ] You live in the house. >> Yeah. You're their dad.
00:51:54
>> Hello. >> And husband. >> But one of the most egregious, and this is what I was mentioning earlier, was
00:51:59
when Officer Perez tries to like empathize with him. >> Yeah. >> Uh he's like, "Hey man, like I have a
00:52:06
seven-year-old nephew and I've and I took him in." And he literally says, "I'd be going bat [ __ ] crazy if he was
00:52:11
missing." and he says, "I can't imagine two daughters." The entire time he is saying this, Chris doesn't look on at
00:52:18
him. He's texting on his phone. Which he is always texting on his phone. >> Always texting
00:52:24
>> and not even paying attention. Doesn't say anything. Barely answers him. In the
00:52:28
report that he wrote, he wrote, "Officer Perez commented to Chris that he can't imagine what he is going through. While
00:52:35
speaking with Chris, he showed no emotion and he did not seem to respond appropriately to the situation. Chris
00:52:41
did not ask any questions or offer to help at any time. Chris's facial expressions rarely changed. However,
00:52:47
when they did, he seemed to smile/ smirk inappropriately, displaying a lack of empathy, specifically when speaking
00:52:55
about his children. >> Why are you smiling? >> His voice remained low and even toned.
00:53:00
His non-verbal cues were very apparent. Chris had a very erect and almost tense posture, and his arms crossed a majority
00:53:07
of the time. Chris lacked eye contact and appeared to be nervous looking around constantly.
00:53:12
>> That's them just looking at him. >> He Well, that's the other thing like with them saying he doesn't have any
00:53:17
[ __ ] appropriate emotions. He doesn't cry once in any interview with the media
00:53:23
in any body cam footage, interrogation, looking at the security footage, >> looking at his baby girls little outfits
00:53:32
in their closets, walking into Bella's purple room with butterflies all over it. Nothing.
00:53:38
>> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Literally nothing. >> How do you not have a single human
00:53:44
emotion? And I need you guys to see and I maybe we'll be able to post it. The the body cam footage of Officer Perez
00:53:50
trying to engage with him. He barely looks at him. Barely looks at him. And when he says like, "I'm so sorry." Like,
00:53:58
"I don't know how you feel." He never says like, "Thank you." or like, "I appreciate it." And I think it was like
00:54:02
our friends that I mentioned there before, uh, Denty and Shaz. >> Yes. They mentioned, and I was thinking
00:54:08
it too, at the end of all this, you see the the K9 unit leave. >> And they say like, you know, like if you
00:54:14
need anything, give us a call. We're going to work on this. We'll let you know. Blah blah blah. Not once does he
00:54:19
say, I appreciate it. Thank you. He's just like, yep. >> Cuz he just wants everybody to get out
00:54:25
of live now. >> These people are supposed to be helping you find your missing family. You'd be
00:54:30
like, I appreciate it so much. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. I'll be here. like if you need anything from me, I'm
00:54:36
right here. Like you know where to find me. Like one of them's like, "Do you have my number?" And he's like, "I don't
00:54:41
know." >> And he's like, "Do you want it?" Like do you want do you want to have a
00:54:44
connection to the people trying to find your kids? >> I can't imagine being an investigator on
00:54:49
the other end of this. >> It must have been so [ __ ] infuriating. >> It also just must have been the like I
00:54:53
don't know how to respond to people when they act strangely like like I've never
00:54:57
come across anybody quite like this, but just in a way where I'm like what? Like
00:55:00
why appropriate response? >> But I think that's what happened. And I think I think everyone was thrown. You
00:55:06
can tell everyone's like very not even knowing how to react to him. >> That's how I would feel.
00:55:11
>> And officer Kunrod, who has like a lot of um a lot of the body cam footage is
00:55:15
from him, his report is very telling. One part of it says, "Christopher gave us consent to check Shannan's phone. It
00:55:22
had an alert which stated the garage door was opened at 12:42 hours. Detective Bomb Hover took the phone to
00:55:28
the Frederick Police Department. Christopher showed me his phone, which shows alarm times when the doors are
00:55:33
opened. It sent an alarm at about the same time stating he had left the open opened the garage door. Christoph
00:55:40
Christopher told me that at least three times, which felt unusual. Shannan's phone showed an alert at 12:42 hours for
00:55:47
the garage door, which is the only way someone could leave the residence. Christopher's demeanor was nonchalant.
00:55:53
He asked one time if he should go look for his family. I advised him her car was at the residence and I needed him
00:55:59
there for now. >> He didn't for now. And that was right when he got there. >> Yeah.
00:56:05
>> He did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned. Nicole
00:56:11
and Nathaniel said they both felt Christopher was extremely nervous. Nathaniel said he had heard Christopher
00:56:17
numerous times in the past yelling loudly at Shannan. Now, another friend described as one of
00:56:24
Shannan's best friends spoke with investigators and said she lived with them at one point just for a short
00:56:29
period of time and she helped out with the kids, like that stuff. Her name was Christina.
00:56:34
>> Uh, Chris, it says Christina said their marriage began to change when Shannan
00:56:37
was in North Carolina. Chris began to get aggravated with the kids around him all of a sudden.
00:56:42
>> Really? >> She said Chris used to put Shannan and the kids first. Chris began to not touch
00:56:47
or ask Shannan about the baby. Christina said that they were when they were separated for the 5 weeks she was in
00:56:52
North Carolina. Chris came back to Shannan a different man. So, see, everyone's like, "What the fuck?"
00:56:58
Christina said Shannan had a routine and was a bit OCD. She advised everything was in order, even what she wore as
00:57:04
clothes. Christina described Shannan as very protective of the kids. Christina did believe they struggled a bit
00:57:11
financially, but Shenan wanted the marriage to work out, but said she couldn't fight for it without his help.
00:57:16
Oh, >> Christina described the girls as being very light sleepers because of where the
00:57:21
girls slept above the garage of the house. They wouldn't open the garage in the morning. Christina said Chris would
00:57:28
usually go out the front door. She said if there was an argument when she got home, the girls would have woken up.
00:57:33
>> So, she's like, "That doesn't make sense to me." Christina used an example of
00:57:37
when she lived with them. She said she had to leave early one morning, so they had parked the car outside the garage
00:57:42
the night before. And Shannan was worried just turning on the car outside would wake the kids.
00:57:47
>> Wow. So they're really really >> they would have heard an argument in the morning.
00:57:51
>> Of course they would have. >> Now this tells me the more time he spent with the mistress as well without the
00:57:56
responsibility of a wife and kids, the more annoyed he was by the responsibility of a wife and kids. He
00:58:01
was getting more and more annoyed because he was getting what he wanted and he wanted to just snip it and start
00:58:07
this new life. It also tells me that him pulling up to the garage that morning and backing halfway into the garage,
00:58:13
Nate and his wife and all those people were correct and Nicole and her son and everybody who said no, he never does
00:58:20
that. He's also never parks in the driveway with that truck cuz it will leak oil
00:58:24
>> and he didn't want oil on the garage on the uh thing. >> Not something he would do.
00:58:29
>> Well, also think about like starting a truck versus starting a car. Trucks are
00:58:33
louder so >> they he would park it like out front, >> right? So him saying like, "Yeah, I
00:58:38
would just pull it up." Like, "No, everyone knows you don't do that, and there's several reasons why you don't do
00:58:42
that." >> And not only that, there's security footage showing that you don't do that.
00:58:45
>> Exactly. Now, Officer Goodman called Chris several times during the next day to talk about like, you know, physical
00:58:53
traits of Shannan and Celeste and Bell >> to investigate. >> To investigate to try to send out to
00:58:58
people like scars they had, you know, like any Yeah. distinguishing features. He said
00:59:04
he called him several times and he didn't answer. So, investigators are calling him several times while his
00:59:10
family is missing and he is not answering. He's not at work, by the way. >> And how are you not on standby?
00:59:16
>> He then called back and said, "Sorry, something was wrong with the phone." >> No,
00:59:22
>> your first thing would be, "Hey, oh my god, I'm so sorry." First of all, you should That shouldn't even But if it
00:59:28
did, like something was wrong with the phone. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Did you hear from them? Have you found them? Do
00:59:32
you know what's going on? >> Nope. Officer Goodman literally wrote in the report, "It should be mentioned that
00:59:38
once I had made contact with Christopher, he did not ask me if I had been calling because I had any
00:59:43
information concerning his missing wife and daughters or if I was calling because they had been found." To be on
00:59:49
his end of that phone call must have been You must He must have just been sitting there wideeyed like, "Is this
00:59:54
[ __ ] being so for real right now?" >> You would have and I wonder if he did. I
00:59:58
wonder if he was like, "Do you want to know if we have anything?" Yeah. I feel like you wouldn't be able to help
01:00:01
yourself. >> I would have to say it. I'd be like, "Do you want to know what's going on?"
01:00:05
>> Do you want more? >> Do you want an update? >> No. Never asked. >> That's psychotic.
01:00:10
>> It is psychotic. >> So, the day they went missing, he also spoke with Shannan's mother, Sandy.
01:00:15
Chris did. And this is what it says in the report. >> Oh, god. So Sandy was upset and this is
01:00:21
like if from the uh investigator is writing this report. >> Okay. So he says Sandy is was upset and
01:00:28
told me that she and her husband believe that her daughter and granddaughter's disappearance involved foul play and
01:00:34
that she honestly believes that her son-in-law was involved in the disappearance of her daughter and
01:00:39
granddaughters. I can't imagine when we said yesterday ma would not for a second if either of
01:00:47
us went missing would never think John would never think true. >> No, >> not for a minute.
01:00:52
>> And it's not because again Christopher acted this way all the time. >> It's cuz she is seeing the mask on and
01:00:59
she's calling it what it is. These are all people that have their [ __ ] eyes wide open. And he is so unlucky that she
01:01:06
was surrounded by people that have their [ __ ] eyes wide open and that are also
01:01:10
unafraid to take a quick little leap out because this is tough. >> Of course it is.
01:01:15
>> This is a tough situation for anybody to say, "Oh, I think my friend." >> No one wants to accuse this man of
01:01:22
killing his whole family. That's not the first thing you want to do regardless of
01:01:25
what you're seeing. >> Especially when you've known him for years and years and years. So that's how
01:01:29
bad it must have been and how bad the switch must have flipped for them all to go, I think he had something to do with
01:01:34
it. >> And so she said um that Christopher is acting weird and out of the ordinary.
01:01:40
She said that Christopher is telling people he has to go to work and that just doesn't seem right because why
01:01:45
would you not be home if they show up, >> right? >> She felt that he and this okay this is
01:01:51
the part you should know ahead of time that Sandy and Shannan spoke every day. >> Yeah. They were very close, mother and
01:01:58
daughter. They were very connected. And this will tell you right now how connected she was to Shannan and how
01:02:04
connected she was to Bella and Celeste. >> Cuz this gave me a full chill. I already
01:02:09
bones. >> I already know what you're going to say and I'm getting like pre- chills.
01:02:12
>> She said she felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of
01:02:19
them somewhere. To be that in touch with the reality of this nightmare is some next level mama
01:02:28
[ __ ] That is so unbelievably intuitive. I don't even know. I hate that she >> she even had to be that intuitive.
01:02:34
>> I hate that she felt that. >> But how like she's spot on. >> Spot on. She also said that she felt
01:02:42
when Shannan had come home late from the trip and had been exhausted and that she
01:02:46
and Christopher had argued, but due to Shannan's lupus, she would not have been able to put up a fight, which also she
01:02:53
didn't have any defensive. >> No. And I didn't even think of that until I read this. I was like, "Oh my
01:02:57
god, you're right. >> She's been on a work trip. >> She's been on a plane traveling. She's
01:03:03
pregnant." And lupus [ __ ] you up. Lucas is a hard >> autoimmune disease to deal with
01:03:09
>> and it's stress will bring it on and she's under enormous stress lately with everything Christopher putting her
01:03:17
>> and he's been putting her through hell up and down. So, it's like that puts her
01:03:21
in such a flare up, I'm sure. >> I just It horrified me. Now, during the time going back to the day she went that
01:03:29
they went missing, um, this [ __ ] loser was googling song lyrics. >> I cannot with this part. I literally
01:03:37
cannot with this [ __ ] part. >> Like 3 hours after he had dumped them in an oil field and what he was googling
01:03:45
was battery by Metallica. Now, battery, by the way, is what those big oil like tanks and that like whole
01:03:55
thing. It's called an oil battery. >> Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I didn't even know that.
01:03:59
>> Yeah. And >> that's So, >> just to be clear, there's always going to be the person who's like,
01:04:04
>> "Metallica made them do it." >> No. The Metall for decades, Metallica has had people loving their music and
01:04:11
listening to their music, and one guy does this and then Googles the lyrics. That does not make it Metallica's fault.
01:04:16
No. And we cannot take this away from being Chris's fault and Chris's fault alone.
01:04:21
>> Um, but the the actual lyrics are scary considering not in this context. Obviously, Metallica did not write them
01:04:30
about a family annihilation, >> but when you put it with him looking up these lyrics, it just also makes him
01:04:35
such a loser >> because it's like you're looking up lyrics >> like what? >> After you massacred your family. So part
01:04:43
of the lyrics are crushing all that cower, battery is here to stay, smashing through the boundaries, lunacy has found
01:04:51
me, cannot stop the battery, pounding out aggression, turn into obsession, cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the
01:04:58
family. Battery is found in me. >> Cannot kill the family. >> I was going to say, you can't even say
01:05:03
that Metallica made him do it because they said cannot kill the family. And he looked that up specifically so he could
01:05:11
sit there and be like, "Yeah, >> like feel some like just rock out. >> They get me. They don't. They don't. I
01:05:18
could I'm speaking for all of Metallica right now. They don't get you. >> They don't get you.
01:05:22
>> No. And they do not like you. No, >> I know that. >> No one does. >> And [ __ ] you for looking up Metallica
01:05:27
lyrics. Like [ __ ] you. After you kill your whole family, you look up Metallica
01:05:31
lyrics. >> You don't deserve Metallica." And when asked about this, because obviously it
01:05:36
showed up in his [ __ ] search history because he's an idiot, >> which is weird.
01:05:40
>> He said he looked these up because Nicole Kessinger, his mistress, asked him about the lyrics to this song and
01:05:47
wanted to know the meaning. She has Google, as we're well aware that >> she couldn't in in her uh two hours of
01:05:56
searching up wedding dresses, she couldn't just take a side quest to figure out what the meaning of this
01:06:00
Metallica song was. >> Yeah. I mean, look at those discovery documents. We know she had Google.
01:06:06
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's She definitely had Google. She could have looked those up. And
01:06:09
also, what are you trying to do? >> Yeah, exactly. >> What are you trying to do here?
01:06:12
>> Oh, she heard that song that I've never What is Metallica? He said. >> Yeah. And also if you look at the uh the
01:06:19
timeline here and you look at the transcript like the text messages ingoing and outgoing and the phone calls
01:06:24
during this time they weren't talking during that little they were talking during the day don't get me wrong but
01:06:30
during that little period she didn't ask him about it that we saw that you can see so so what's that interesting
01:06:38
um so they've gone through the house they've talked to the friends like the investigators have they've talked to the
01:06:43
friends the neighbors and they've watched Chris Watts zero emotion about his family being
01:06:48
supposedly missing. Um, I honestly, again, I have no doubts that every officer who entered that house knew
01:06:55
something nefarious had happened involving him. >> Um, there there's no way. Now, during
01:07:00
the day, Chris had made several staged phone calls to Shannan as well to try to while he was at work to try to make this
01:07:07
trail of concern seem real. >> Yeah. Because once I think he this this is how I feel like he he definitely
01:07:16
planned this and he thought it was going to go a different way because he did it.
01:07:20
Then he went to work and he said got to make a phone call and pretend that I called her. Oh, didn't get her. Okay.
01:07:27
Got to send her a text message say where are you? Call her again. Lose that. Then
01:07:32
the friends start contacting him and saying we we can't get her. And then he's like, "Oh [ __ ] I didn't think
01:07:37
about the fact that her friends talk to her and care about her." Which is insane. And also, and that's when it
01:07:43
unraveled. Here's how crazy this is. He forgot that she had a doctor's appointment that morning or just just
01:07:49
didn't know. >> Yeah. >> The man who had the mask on literally kept track of her doctor's appointment.
01:07:56
That version of Chris of Chris, how ironic. Existed. How ironic. How crazy that they both can exist.
01:08:05
It's next level. Truly. Now, this one, I hadn't heard this before. And when I read it in the documents, I said, "This
01:08:14
is what you said." He made sure that it was this day, right? >> Like, cuz again, he's planning.
01:08:20
>> He's He thinks he's going to go home and clear out all the things that make it
01:08:24
seem like they couldn't have left on their own valition. And he still did this >> at 8:26 in the morning. That's two hours
01:08:33
after he had just dis murdered his whole family and disposed of them in heinous ways.
01:08:39
>> Yeah. >> At 8:26, >> he called Primrose school, which are the was Bella and Celeles preschool/
01:08:48
daycare. >> Mhm. >> And it was like a really good school that Shannan had worked hard to get them
01:08:53
into. >> Yep. He called that school at 8:26 in the morning to disenroll them, to take them out of school
01:09:04
forever. >> Mhm. >> He literally talked to the staff and told them his daughters would not be
01:09:11
returning to school there. >> How are like I'm glad he's this stupid. How was he ever going to explain that
01:09:20
later? >> How? And he just never thought he didn't account for that coming back up. His
01:09:25
answer later was just like, "Well, I thought that you know she had taken off with them."
01:09:31
>> No, you had no evidence of that. >> It also had been a couple hours since you'd last.
01:09:36
>> Hey, also at this point, they're not missing, >> right? That's where he really went wrong
01:09:42
here. He said, "I didn't think they were ever going to come back." Oh, no. They know they were gone.
01:09:47
>> Wait a minute. You didn't know they were missing. You weren't supposed to. Anyway,
01:09:51
>> you were still calling them, >> remember? >> Yeah. >> Like, not only is this stupid, even if
01:09:57
he had done it in the middle of the day after they were already quote unquote missing, that would still be stupid
01:10:02
because you would never disenroll your children, you would be like, "They're coming home today and they're going to
01:10:07
school tomorrow." Like, everything's going to go totally normal and that this is all going to be a weird dream. Y
01:10:13
>> you would never disenroll them essentially admitting that they're gone. >> And then on top that would be weird
01:10:21
enough to do when you know that they're missing >> to do it before they are even missing
01:10:27
and then try to make it work >> is stupid on a level this is what I'm talking about. This level of stupidity
01:10:37
>> is something I have not seen in a long time. He cooked himself from every which thank
01:10:44
goodness I will forever be grateful at his lack of neurons. Yep. >> But >> holy [ __ ] And then
01:10:51
>> that was next level. I had never heard that before either. >> Yeah. Well, and then what's crazy is FBI
01:10:57
agent Tammy Lee noted later that the payment for the month for that school was due that day.
01:11:04
>> Wow. So he disenrolled them so he wouldn't have to pay for them anymore because this truly was about eliminating
01:11:13
every single tie to those those kids and his wife and take every responsibility off the table. He didn't even want to
01:11:22
pay for a month of daycare for him >> just to keep >> he wasn't even willing to put up with
01:11:26
that. He said I am disengaging from it all >> immediately. Talk about a disgusting
01:11:33
beast. It's It just makes beast absolutely I don't understand how people like this exist. Truly such a pathetic
01:11:41
waste of skin. Yeah, >> he is the most pathetic waste of skin and oxygen I've ever come across. He's
01:11:47
so disgusting. He's despicable. >> He really is. >> Now, the former director of Primrose was
01:11:52
interviewed because she was also friends with Shannan at one point and she confirmed that before leaving for North
01:11:59
Carolina, she said the same thing they all said. Chris and Shannan were all over each other. Wow.
01:12:04
>> Very loveydovey, very like PDA, very like happy and then suddenly it was gone.
01:12:11
>> Wow. >> And this was again everyone's that you look through those texts between the
01:12:15
friends and her, you look from her, it's all the same story. >> Um, and she said when he came to back
01:12:21
when he came to visit North Carolina and when she came home, he wouldn't touch her, wouldn't hug her. In fact, at one
01:12:26
point he said, "I don't want to hug you." And wouldn't take photos with the kids. He wouldn't take photos with the
01:12:34
kids. >> Wouldn't take family photos anywhere that they went. Like wouldn't be involved in anything.
01:12:38
>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. He knows what he's gonna do. >> That's crazy. >> And I truly think that was part of it
01:12:45
was he shut it off because he saw what life could be like with Nicole. >> Yeah. >> And no responsibilities. And I think he
01:12:51
had already decided what he was going to do. >> I don't know if he had the full plan,
01:12:55
but he knew what he was going to do. He was gearing up. And he was he was disengaging to make it easier on
01:13:01
himself. just leave. Just leave. >> Now, they interviewed Nicole Kessinger, obviously, and she gave a lot of info,
01:13:09
including that on August 13th, the night the day they went missing at night that
01:13:14
day. So, she had gone through the whole day thinking his family was quote unquote missing.
01:13:18
>> They spoke and he claimed Shenan and he told Nicole that Shannan had just told
01:13:23
him she was pregnant that morning. >> There's literally a video that exists of when she told him that she was pregnant.
01:13:30
Uh-huh. >> There's a video. >> Yeah. So, he didn't account for that. >> Also, she was 15 weeks pregnant. It was
01:13:37
pretty clear. >> And she had had two children before. She was showing he knew what his wife looked
01:13:41
like pregnant. Like that's >> And also like >> she also had a doctor's appointment that
01:13:46
morning. >> Yeah. >> Which like would have been one of multiple that she had gone to recently.
01:13:50
Had ultrasounds. >> You They had named the baby. >> Yeah. >> The baby was named. They knew that the
01:13:57
the sex of the baby. >> Yeah. What? >> Yeah. Also, he claimed to Nicole that not only did she tell him that morning,
01:14:05
but she said, "It's not yours." So, now he's trying to paint Shannan as the one.
01:14:11
>> Talk about projection. >> Truly projection. >> He projects everything onto Shannan cuz
01:14:17
eventually he will project being a murderer onto her. >> Everything that he does, he makes it
01:14:22
like her. She did it. >> That's such a like pathology. I feel like especially with cheaters. Well, and
01:14:28
what's even sadder is later cuz Nicole found out that she was pregnant through the media, right?
01:14:33
>> Because at this point she was like, "I didn't believe him." Yeah. >> Like I just thought he was being weird.
01:14:37
Like I just kind of was like, "Oh, okay." Like what? And so she said she found out confirmed that she was
01:14:43
pregnant and that it was his child and that they had known about it and they had named this child. She found all that
01:14:48
through the media. And when she brought that to him and said, "What the fuck?" He was like, "Yeah, I lied."
01:14:54
And then he was like, "Does this affect our relationship?" Yes. like he was genuinely upset when she was like, "Hey,
01:15:02
I just found out that your wife that's missing is pregnant with your child and that you knew this for 15 weeks." And he
01:15:08
was like, "Yeah, okay. I lied about that. Are like, are we okay though?" And that and she said that was the point
01:15:15
where she was like, "I think you killed your family. Like, I need to go." >> Oh my god.
01:15:20
>> Like this was days later. But also another conversation on August 13th, the day that they went missing, Chris told
01:15:28
Nicole that Shannan had left her wedding ring at the house cuz remember he walked
01:15:31
out with that wedding ring saying it was on the nightstand. >> I have a whole feeling about that.
01:15:35
>> Chris asked Nicole, "How much do you think the ring is worth?" >> Remember his family has been missing for
01:15:42
about 12 hours at this point. >> And she responded by telling him to pawn it. Why would you pawn the ring? And he told
01:15:52
her he was going to get it appraised. Why would you pawn the ring if you were expecting your wife to come home? Why
01:15:58
would either of you have responded that way? >> Mhm. >> Why would he have said, "How much do you
01:16:03
think it's worth?" And why the [ __ ] did she even dignify that with a response? I
01:16:08
would literally say, "What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Your wife is missing." And instead she says, "Pon it."
01:16:16
>> What? >> I got nothing. >> Like get it together. I got nothing. >> And then his response was going to
01:16:21
happen so much. But >> yeah, I got lots of >> so much but I got it back. >> Yeah, cuz you know what?
01:16:29
>> Whatever. Uh but yeah, I think what happened to was she did not leave that wedding ring on the nightstand. She
01:16:35
didn't take it off. >> No, the room had been searched multiple times over by the time he came out and
01:16:39
was like, "Wookie here." No, he took it off of her to sell later because also that was going to help him erase a
01:16:46
little bit of the debt that they were in so that he could move on with his his new life with Nicole debtree.
01:16:51
>> Well, and not only $1,000 ring. >> Exactly. Not only that, too, he I think you had I don't know if you said it in
01:16:57
part one if we had just talked about it, but when investigators first got there,
01:17:01
he didn't let them in right away. He was in the garage. >> It took not even in the garage. He was
01:17:05
in the house. >> In the house. He took two full minutes to go from the garage to the front door
01:17:11
>> like >> which was literally >> a five-second walk. >> So what's that about? >> So he think he went in the garage.
01:17:18
>> He bent down and picked something up and then he walked into the the house and he
01:17:23
took 2 minutes inside the house. >> Yep. >> And I think what he was doing was making
01:17:27
sure he had that ring. Probably taking a second to say, "Fuck, now I got to come
01:17:31
up with the cover story quicker." >> Yep. >> And then he opens the door and he's a
01:17:34
[ __ ] wreck. >> Yep. Now, the next day, August 14th, Chris was still completely nonchalant
01:17:40
about this whole thing. And he kept anytime somebody asked him like, "How you doing? Like, what's going on?" He
01:17:44
was like, "Yeah, not too bad." >> Slept with the lights on. The whole the whole house. I just kept all the lights
01:17:50
on. And I was like, "Oh, slept." >> Wow. That must mean you're sad. >> How would you I if my entire family was
01:17:56
gone, I wouldn't get a [ __ ] wink of sleep unless I It just happened to me. Sleep would never come to me until my
01:18:03
body shut down >> or I would die. Exactly. Like that would because there comes a time where your
01:18:08
body's like, "Hey buddy, you're going to die if you don't go to sleep." And it'll
01:18:11
just force you into sleep. That's when my body would sleep. Exactly. >> And I would be sitting up all night
01:18:16
outside on my porch just waiting for anything by the phone. >> Yep. Calling people, calling the police
01:18:24
every [ __ ] time. >> I'd have my phone plugged in. I'd I'd be the police's worst nightmare in that
01:18:29
scenario because I'd be calling every 20 minutes, can I do anything >> like heard from anyone?
01:18:34
>> Or you'd be driving around looking for them. You wouldn't be sleeping with the
01:18:38
lights on. >> And Nicole, the mistress, even said a couple of times she it bothered her that
01:18:44
he was like, "Oh, I went to sleep at this time." And she was like, "You slept?" >> Like what? Weird. But that's on August
01:18:53
14th is when he gave the infamous interview on the porch we talked about last time where he showed no human
01:19:00
behavior at all. >> Just swallowing, blinking, and gritting his teeth. >> Exactly. Now, later that afternoon, he
01:19:05
had a press conference. He appeared at a press conference, too. >> That was another mistake.
01:19:09
>> Um, and to discuss the whole thing, and he said, "I'm hoping right now that she's somewhere safe. It's not something
01:19:14
I could ever ever fathom would happen in my lifetime, and I have no inclination of where she is." lie. She said she was
01:19:20
going to a friend's house with the kids and that's the last thing I heard and that was it. It was very vague.
01:19:25
>> Also, that's another story he's clinging to is after he told her he wanted to
01:19:30
separate and sell the house, they got into an emotional conversation is how he described it. I was like, an emotion,
01:19:36
you haven't met an emotion. >> And then he says that she told her him that she was going to take the kids to a
01:19:42
friend's house at 4:00 a.m. >> Yep. >> Okay. Mhm. and that and he loves to say he says it several times to very vague,
01:19:50
>> but she wouldn't give me the information. >> If he was going to be leaving for work,
01:19:54
she would have just stayed home with the kids cuz she's away from him. >> She would have got up. You're going to
01:20:01
work, >> got them ready at a normal time, gone through the motions, and then got them
01:20:05
out of the house before he got home from work. >> Like, what are you talking about?
01:20:08
>> It doesn't make And also, you know, all her friends. >> So weird. Like, it's just not.
01:20:12
>> And you didn't press her. >> No, he's texting her. Where are you? >> Yeah. >> You just said she told you you're at a
01:20:18
friend's house. >> Yeah. >> So, and also you disenrolled your kids from school in the morning. So, um
01:20:23
>> you just think they're at her friend's house. >> Yeah. Like [ __ ] You just ended their
01:20:26
education cuz they're at a friend's they had a play date. So, you ended their education right there.
01:20:30
>> Wild. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. Now, everyone at this point, including myself at this
01:20:35
point in 2018, >> was it when it popped up on my [ __ ] TV screen and I said, "That guy did it.
01:20:41
>> The husband did it. >> Everyone was saying this guy is fucked." Everyone saw it. Everyone.
01:20:46
>> Yep. >> Everyone was wondering how he was managing to show zero concern or worry
01:20:51
for his pregnant wife and two young children. There is something to be said >> for not judging how people react in
01:20:57
certain situations, >> but in this situation, there is not an innocent person on earth who would react
01:21:03
even close to how he did or not react. No, >> there is just I won't judge in certain
01:21:09
situations. I'm judging so hard that my name is Judy in this situation. >> Judith Shinley
01:21:15
>> is not a human. There is no parent who would react this way if they were innocent.
01:21:21
>> No. >> Just no parent on earth. >> You have to be guilty to act this way. >> No.
01:21:26
>> No family related to those babies on earth would act that way. >> Nobody. >> Her best friend showed more emotion than
01:21:34
her husband did. >> Not even related to you. >> Yeah. The next day, August 15th, Chris
01:21:39
agreed to take a polygraph. >> That was a mistake. >> Normally, we say polygraphs are hot dogs
01:21:44
in a trench coat. This one, I'm willing to say, was pretty effective. >> You said yesterday, investigator in a
01:21:50
trench coat. >> Investigator in a trench coat. >> Uh, once again, he ran through the story
01:21:54
that he' given the detectives the day before, and just before 3 p.m., he sat down for it.
01:21:59
>> Now, the polygraph session was pretty, it wasn't like super long. It didn't have a lot of questions. And that wasn't
01:22:04
because they didn't have a lot of questions for him. He just failed so incredibly that they didn't need to ask
01:22:10
anymore. They were like, "Yep, he did it." >> He failed so spectacularly that the
01:22:15
needle went off the page. >> And that's not hyperbolic. That's >> it. Literally went off the page. Uh,
01:22:21
agent FBI agent Tammy Lee said, "For someone who was a trutht teller, we would consider them to be a grade two or
01:22:27
higher, and we would consider someone to be deceptive if they were -4 or below."
01:22:33
>> Chris Watts scored -18. [ __ ] is almost five times over a liar. >> Yeah. What they normally see with
01:22:41
someone that's deceptive, he was so deceptive that he was almost five times off. That's wild. Like that's there's
01:22:49
Fibon, >> there's Lion, there's Boldface Lion, and then there's Chris Watts. >> And then there's Chris Watts. And he and
01:22:55
all the questions were things that he simply biologically could not lie about. Do you know where your wife is? No. Do
01:23:02
you know where your kids are? No. Did you hurt them? No. Off the page. Like off the page.
01:23:10
So after this, they're reviewing the results. and agents Tammy Lee and Graham Coder confront him with the results and
01:23:18
with the other evidence that raised a lot of questions about whether he was telling the truth or not. And eventually
01:23:24
Chris admitted to having an affair with Nicole, not Nicole Atinson, Nicole Kessinger, like how'd we get there, bud?
01:23:31
But he said, "I don't have anything to do with Shannan and the girl's disappearance." They didn't ask him
01:23:36
about the affair. They also didn't polygraph him about the affair. The affair was literally never mentioned
01:23:41
until they were like, "Hey, where is your family?" And he was like, "Well, I am um [ __ ] a coworker." And they were
01:23:47
like, "Why are you telling us this?" Like, "That has nothing to do with what we're asking." But he was so eager to
01:23:53
gush about his side piece. It's actually so cringy. Oh, >> how this happens. And I think the agents
01:24:01
were like, "Is this real?" Like, you can see in the transcript that they're like,
01:24:06
>> "Please stop talking about your mistress." like why why are you talking about this? Now Chris says, so they're
01:24:13
asking, they're like, "Where's your family?" Because they were like, "Yeah, no, we don't want we don't want to talk
01:24:17
about your mistress, Chris. Where's your family?" And he says, "She she was wonderful." Meaning Nicole, not his
01:24:24
wife. >> What? He said she was a wonderful person who knew he was married. Oops. That's
01:24:30
contradictory. >> And he was having issues in his marriage. Chris said he told her he was
01:24:35
going to get separated from Shannan. Not that he was separated. He was going to.
01:24:38
>> Yeah. planning on it, but he didn't know what that was going to look like. Chris
01:24:42
said she took his breath away and he never thought in a million years something like that could happen. Chris
01:24:48
said he never felt the same way about anyone in his lifetime as he did about her.
01:24:52
>> So, not the mother of his three children, one unborn. >> So, Agent Coder says, "Hey, we don't
01:24:58
think your girlfriend hurt anyone." And then he says, "Could we leave her out of
01:25:03
this and get back to talking about your wife and daughters? Can we talk about maybe where your kids are
01:25:09
>> um editorializing this? That is a transcript >> that I'm reading you. >> Oh my god.
01:25:16
>> Chris says, "Oh yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, we can get back to talking about that."
01:25:19
And he says, "Cool." And he says, "Where are your wife and children located?" And
01:25:23
Chris said, "I don't know." The affair was the only thing that I was holding back on, by the way. He can't stop
01:25:30
talking about it. And agent coder, it literally says reminded Chris that he was not questioned about the infidelity
01:25:37
on the polygraph. He's like, "Hey, bro, you don't actually even have to tell us about that right now. We haven't even
01:25:43
got there yet." So, we're still on the um where's your wife and kids? So, that this is literally how this happened.
01:25:50
They said, "Hey, where are your wife and kids?" And he was like, "I did have an affair." And they were like, "Wo, that's
01:25:55
crazy." Um we are the FBI though, so like we know that. And then he said, um, let's not talk about this. Let's talk
01:26:01
about your wife. She's just, you know, my mistress is a wonderful person. She's great.
01:26:06
>> Takes my breath away. >> She took my breath away. Never in a million years thought this could happen.
01:26:10
I I could never feel this, you know, in a lifetime about how she looks. And they're they're like, "Okay, can we not
01:26:16
I we don't think she killed your family. So, can we just talk about your wife and
01:26:19
family?" And he's like, "Absolutely." And they're like, "Where are they?" And you're like, "Yeah, I don't know." Uh, I
01:26:24
did have an affair, though, just so you guys know. Um, and she is great and I've
01:26:28
never felt anything like I felt with her. And then at the end of it, Agent Coder says, "Chris, we know about your
01:26:34
girlfriend. Here's her date of birth and where she lives." >> Oh my god. >> You don't have to tell us anymore
01:26:39
because you remember that we're the FBI. >> Do you know what that stands for, Chris?
01:26:44
>> We're the FBI. Did you think we one didn't know you were having an affair? We have all of your records. We've been
01:26:50
following you. And two, do you think I can I I know what Nicole is doing right now. I'm the FBI. He's like, we got a
01:26:57
tail on her right now. He's like, [ __ ] she was looking up wedding dresses a couple of days ago. Did you know that? I
01:27:02
know that. I'm the FBI. >> You getting married? >> I know that. Like, you idiot. You're
01:27:07
sitting there being like, "Affair, affair, affair." And they're like, "Your family's missing. Can we talk about that
01:27:11
affair, affair, affair?" >> And then they have to tell you, "Babe, we know." And you still can't stop
01:27:15
yourself. >> And he's like, "Oh." Like it's the cringiest interaction. >> He's like, "But my affair though." And
01:27:21
it further shows you how much he doesn't care about his family. No, >> all he cares about is wiping that out
01:27:27
and starting some new life with Nicole Kessinger. >> Well, it's so interesting, too, and sad.
01:27:33
We I don't know if we mentioned this in part one, but I saw something that said like um one of his former cellmates said
01:27:38
he gets >> Oh, yeah. This is disgusting. Gets letters for women women all the time and
01:27:42
like >> Yeah, they're in the discovery documents. They send him like bikini pics and [ __ ] like that.
01:27:46
>> You're a [ __ ] freak if you do that. Like something's wrong with you. You shouldn't have access you shouldn't have
01:27:51
access to the tools that that a letter writes. >> He smothered his two babies and killed
01:27:55
his pregnant wife and dumped them in an oil. I think if you do that [ __ ] something is [ __ ] wrong with you.
01:28:00
>> Yeah, you're probably not fixable. >> Yeah. No, >> but sorry. >> You're just not. So that that cellmate
01:28:05
though said like he becomes so obsessed with one particular woman and he will like write her a 15page letter back and
01:28:13
like talk non-stop about her and like literally it's like compulsive. So I feel like that was Shenan because
01:28:19
remember in part one like exactly he pursued her he was like please give me another chance doo he played the doting
01:28:27
husband he had you I don't think he pro who knows if he wanted to have kids but Shannan did so he did cuz that's what
01:28:34
like he will just bend to be whoever they want and then when he doesn't want to do that anymore and the next quote
01:28:40
unquote in his eyes best thing comes along >> he that's why the mask drops so quickly
01:28:45
>> yeah cuz he was like he was conforming to what he needed to conform to, which
01:28:51
now he's cheating on his wife and his whole family. So, he's like this bad guy. So, he's like, I'm going to be a
01:28:56
bad guy. >> Let me play this role now. >> I'm going to play this role now. >> But it's like that's why the mask just
01:29:00
like falls to the floor and shatters because he just attaches immediately to this next person
01:29:06
>> because he did at one point Nicole said in one of the interviews she did state
01:29:10
that she always believed he was more into her than he she was to him. I don't know about that because I got you
01:29:16
googling wedding dresses for two hours. >> Well, that's the thing. You were googling like marrying your mistress and
01:29:22
like all that stuff. >> So, like it sounds like you were pretty into him. >> So, I don't know about that. I'm not in
01:29:27
the relationship so I can't say it's I'm just looking at context clues here, but
01:29:31
I'm sure he probably was because there was like um he would give her cards where he would write these long like
01:29:37
love letter things in there and he always had lyrics in them. He's like a lyric guy.
01:29:41
>> Okay. And that's not a bad thing like for nice people. It's it's a gross thing
01:29:45
for Chris >> Watts. Everything is gross when it comes to Chris Watts. It's not necessarily
01:29:50
gross for other people. It's just he makes it gross. >> And I that's the thing is I'm like don't
01:29:54
do that cuz I don't want that to be a gross. >> I know cuz I'm like I love lyrics.
01:29:56
>> I like lyrics. Yeah. >> But he would he like gushed to her and like spilled like so he was like he was
01:30:02
obsessed with her. >> It's also just very like >> like juvenile coded. >> Yeah. He's very stunted.
01:30:09
>> He is very stunned. >> He's very stunted. And I I wonder why. Um so I don't know why. So
01:30:15
>> who knows? >> I have no idea. >> There's no evidence. >> Um none. So the agents continue to
01:30:19
pepper him with questions for hours, but he maintained his innocence throughout the whole thing. Then as a last ditch
01:30:25
attempt to get any truth from him, they start saying they start doing this thing
01:30:29
that I think is very very smart. But you have to explain like you did. >> When you first watch it, you go, "Why
01:30:35
the [ __ ] did you do that? You just gave him an idea." >> Because that was my response. But I'm
01:30:39
glad that you explained this the way that you did. >> These agents were really smart the way
01:30:42
they did this. So they they were telling him, you know, I can see it on your face, Chris.
01:30:46
>> I can tell that that there's something you want to get off your chest. I can see it in your eyes. I know it's hard to
01:30:52
hold on to these things. People make mistakes. We're not going to judge you. We're here to help you through it. Like
01:30:58
things happen. Uh things can be tough. Blah blah blah. And that part I all got. Like I've seen that done. But then they
01:31:05
say, "Did she su Did Chenan do something to those girls?" >> And that's when I was like, "Why the
01:31:11
[ __ ] would you even put that in there?" >> Now, the reason they did that, cuz he
01:31:14
immediately, you can tell it's like he's like, "No, no, but you can tell it's like
01:31:17
>> it's not emphatically." He's like just rolling it around in his head and they
01:31:20
keep kind of asking like, "Did that happen? Like, you got to tell us." What they're doing is they're presenting an
01:31:26
option that is more acceptable. That if she did something to those kids, of course you were going to kill her and
01:31:34
he's the hero. You're a father. You protect your kids. Of course you were going to defend them. So they're
01:31:40
presenting him with this. You can be the hero, Chris, >> while also admitting to murdering your
01:31:46
wife. >> So just tell us that you did it and we'll help you through itar and no one
01:31:51
will call you a bad guy. In fact, people will probably love you because you protected your children from a monster.
01:31:58
>> Meanwhile, it's not occurring to Chris that another one of his children was in
01:32:02
his wife's belly at this time. >> Oh, yeah. That doesn't ever I don't think he gave a [ __ ] about that in any
01:32:07
way, shape, or form. But the big thing here is that now that they get if once they get him to say, "Yes, I killed her
01:32:14
because she killed the kids." Now they've pinned him with murder. >> Mhm. regardless of what was going on.
01:32:20
They know that he's not going to be able to prove that. There is zero evidence to
01:32:24
show that and that once they got him there, then they can start pushing him down the the alley of, "Okay, well, you
01:32:31
already admitted to killing her >> and just pulling little threats >> and we can start saying, well, we do
01:32:35
have this evidence that says you did it, and we do have that." And it's much easier to push them down that alley once
01:32:40
you've got them over the hump of, "Yes, I did murder someone," >> right? Cuz then you can keep them.
01:32:44
>> It was smart. It could, it's a risk and it can backfire, but I think it worked
01:32:49
really well in this instance because he starts kind of cracking a little bit. He
01:32:54
doesn't say it and then they can see that. And again, another smart move is they go, "Do you want to talk to your
01:33:00
dad?" >> They remember his dad is like he felt the one person that truly understood him
01:33:05
and they're super close. >> Yep. So they bring him into the interrogation room and they say, "We're
01:33:10
going to leave you two alone so you can talk." which like you're never alone in it until you're being filmed.
01:33:16
So Chris talks to his dad and his dad is genuine in the beginning like trying to
01:33:21
be like what happened like just tell me what happened >> and he tells his father that he had seen
01:33:26
Shannan that morning before he left for work and his dad is like you know cuz his dad has heard this so he's like did
01:33:31
she do something like what happened did you do something like what's going on >> just tell me what's happening
01:33:34
>> and he claimed they had another argument about their marriage and when he came
01:33:37
downstairs he found Shannan had smothered the girls to death because she was he was she was so mad that he wanted
01:33:44
to separate that she murdered her children. Um, and he tells his father, "And I freaked out and hurt her." Now,
01:33:51
according to Chris, after he strangled Jan and wrapped her in the top sheet that was missing and then took her body
01:33:57
and the bodies of Bella and Celeste out to the truck, that's when he drove out to one of the oil tanks his company
01:34:03
owned in the middle of a remote area. And after burying Shannan in a shallow grave, he placed the girls' bodies into
01:34:10
each tank, then sealed them up and drove to work like nothing happened. >> Why would that be your response in any
01:34:18
world >> precisely? >> Why would that be what you did? >> Well, so now he's confessed to the
01:34:25
murder of Shannan, but he's swearing he had nothing to do with the murder of the
01:34:28
children. But there are about a billion things in this confession that everyone said no. At one point he even looks at
01:34:35
his dad and he says, "Why does this why did this happen to me? Why did this happen to those two little girls? Why
01:34:41
did it happen to you?" >> Nice that you asked it about yourself first. >> Not even the kids first. Just why did
01:34:46
this happen to me? I mean, why did this happen to those two little girl? I'm like, you can't even human. You don't
01:34:50
know how to human. >> No, you don't know how to father. >> He can't even kind of He doesn't even
01:34:54
stumble into humaning at any point. Which is even crazier cuz I feel like a robot even stumbles into humaning every
01:35:01
once in a while. Like >> honestly, >> AI can human more than Chris Watts can human.
01:35:07
>> Y >> like truly. And several times the interrogators tried to get him to admit
01:35:12
what he did to Celeste and Bella after this. And they noted they and I this was another thing I was glad they did. They
01:35:19
looked right at him and they said, "Listen, we're not going to feel right if Shannan, a murder victim who cannot
01:35:25
defend herself, takes the rap for murdering her own children if she didn't do it." We know she didn't
01:35:32
>> and they cuz they know it and they're trying to appeal to him now by being like listen you can't pin this on a
01:35:38
mother who didn't do it. She'll she's dead. Like her legacy is going to be murdering her own baby girls
01:35:45
>> and you're going to let that happen and he says I'm fine with it. >> Of course he is. He doesn't give a [ __ ]
01:35:50
about her anymore. >> Totally fine. >> Diabolically [ __ ] up. fine with Shannan being known as a mother who
01:35:57
smothered her children to death because she was mad at the husband for wanting to separate things fine with her going
01:36:03
down like that. >> And because he said that there are people that believe that like they're
01:36:09
insane and they're like are not educated on this case. >> Anybody who thinks Chris Watts is
01:36:13
innocent in any way, shape, or form, I don't want to hear anything from you. I don't want to hear anything.
01:36:18
>> But how [ __ ] up is that? Willful ignorance is what >> he was okay doing that and did it. Yeah,
01:36:24
he was warned that there even when warned about the consequences. >> Exactly. >> He did not care
01:36:28
>> and he said that's fine. But they also pointed out something that was interesting and really good too. And
01:36:34
they were playing on the fact that he is not a parent. >> Like he's not a human. He's not a
01:36:38
father. Cuz they said, you know, here's the thing. And they said, so when you came
01:36:44
downstairs, what did you see? And he said he said Shenan was on top of Cece. >> Now again, this is him. He lied.
01:36:50
>> Yeah. And they said, "Okay." And they and he said, "So I grabbed her and I strangled her. I was just so angry. Like
01:36:56
I could I saw those girls and blah blah blah." And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, totally." And then they're like, "Um, no
01:37:02
parent is ever going to accept that their children are dead. They're just not." And they said, "Certainly not
01:37:09
enough to dump them in tanks of oil." >> Like, they're just not. And so they said, "It's strange to me." They said,
01:37:15
"Did you try CPR? Did you try life-saving, reviving them? like anything on them >> which you would
01:37:22
>> and he said no and they were like that's weird to me like agent coder was like
01:37:27
I'm sorry I can't understand that I would do everything I could to bring my child back to life and they said you
01:37:33
didn't call an ambulance to try to revive them >> nope and they were like that's weird
01:37:39
that's weird and he was like I was scared and they were like yeah parents don't get scared over their love for
01:37:44
their children like you don't pick scared over love for child and they were like especially it just doesn't make
01:37:50
sense to me. And he's like, "I don't know. I was scared." >> Okay. Yeah, you're right.
01:37:54
>> It makes absolutely no sense. >> Now, meanwhile, as this is happening, police had discovered the body of
01:38:01
Shannan. Uh she was buried the top of like where she her body was 8 in under the dirt. That's a shallow shallow.
01:38:12
Calling that a shallow grave is actually generous. >> Yeah, it's a divot. And she was found
01:38:18
about 100 feet from the large oil tanks at the Anadarko oil well site near Rockin Colorado where he just worked all
01:38:24
day. Yep. Or would have worked all day. >> Yeah. He was around employees that day
01:38:29
at that site feet away from where his children were laying in an oil tank and he was joking with them. They everyone
01:38:36
at that site said he didn't act even slightly off. >> That's unreal to me. >> Nothing was different.
01:38:44
Now, they found them because he had gone to that site that morning and worked there and he had his truck was a work
01:38:52
truck. It had GPS on it, >> right? >> So, they followed the GPS. >> He didn't think through any of this.
01:38:59
>> No. >> And that's why it's wild that like this was planned. >> Yeah. Like >> he thought he really thought he was
01:39:05
going to be able to he really had was that he was going to murder them. >> Yeah. And he thought he could go home
01:39:10
and just get rid of anything that said, >> but it wasn't meticulously planned. Remember one thing about this that I
01:39:16
will give like for this to be part of the plan. He was going to that site anyways,
01:39:21
>> right? >> So his GPS showing that he went there isn't the thing that tipped them off.
01:39:25
>> Exactly. >> It's just been there anyway. >> They're going backwards and they're
01:39:28
following his trail because they are now just investigating different things. >> So this wouldn't have tipped them off.
01:39:35
So this could be he this is part of the plan of Well, I'm going there anyway. >> So [ __ ] stupid. Now, they did an
01:39:42
aerial search. From the air, they spotted a piece of sheet that Shannan was wrapped in and buried in. Uh, it was
01:39:48
sticking up from the dirt, and they said, "Hey, there's some fabric." Uh, they were able to determine that the
01:39:53
sheet was from the missing set that they found in the trash. >> Um, and during that search, Chris
01:39:58
confessed it like that he had killed Shannan. It was happening like at the same time. So, they're finding the sheet
01:40:04
and then he immediately confessed >> and he said he disposed of their bodies at this site. So he they took a picture
01:40:11
of this site from the air and sent it to the police station and he wrote their initials on where they were.
01:40:19
>> Oh my god. >> Um one on each tank because something that like really upset both of us
01:40:25
yesterday, I think Ash didn't know. >> No. >> Was that he dumped Celeste and Bella in
01:40:31
separate tanks. >> I never knew that. >> And for some reason, I mean, everything
01:40:35
about that just shatters >> him dropping them in an oil tank alone. But to separate them and
01:40:40
>> to separate them >> from their not only from their mother, but from each other is
01:40:45
>> like they were just alone >> in those oil tanks. A four-year-old and a three-year-old.
01:40:50
>> And why did you throw them in oil? I shouldn't even say throw them. Why did you shove them in oil tanks?
01:40:58
>> But we'll get there. Now, on August 16th, they went back and completely drained the tanks of crude oil. And this
01:41:06
is going to get rough. I'm again, I'm not going to be super graphic about it. The discovery documents are very graphic
01:41:13
about this search and I warn you that ahead of time. When you if you are reading them and you get to this point,
01:41:17
I suggest you skip over it. It's horrific and I wish I had never seen it. >> Um, that's when they found Celeste and
01:41:24
Bella in each tank >> and they were able to get them out. Um, autopsies concluded that the death of
01:41:30
Shenan was manual strangulation. Although her hyoid bone was not broken, he just knew what to press on to stop
01:41:36
breathing. And the deaths of Bella and Celeste were violent and horrific esphyxiation due to smothering.
01:41:43
>> And he smothered them with their favorite blankets. >> Mhm. >> And Bella fought back really hard
01:41:49
because Bella was the last one killed. Bella's the four-year-old, so she had seen what happened. So
01:41:56
Bella's last I'm going to cry again. >> Yeah. No, of course you are. Bella's last moments were seeing this
01:42:02
nightmarish and that like ruins me. Like I just like I don't >> I don't get how somebody does this. I
01:42:09
don't get it. >> She They're all >> And that's like that's half of you. You created those beings.
01:42:15
>> That's the thing. How would you not die for those babies? >> And how do you kill them?
01:42:20
>> Oh, how do you do that? I can't even raise my voice at my children without apologizing after.
01:42:29
>> I don't I don't know. >> I just don't >> I don't get it. >> And there were injuries as well from
01:42:36
being shoved through an 8 in hole that neither of them could fit through comfortably.
01:42:42
So, he had to further hurt them. And he just didn't care. He just didn't care. And then he worked by those tanks. He's
01:42:48
a [ __ ] monster. He's a disgusting, irredeemable, monstrous piece of [ __ ] And if there is
01:42:57
a hell, he will see it. >> He's in it. >> And honestly, if there is a hell, I hope
01:43:02
he sees it every day. >> He does. >> Yeah. And you He has said that he does. >> Oh, he said he's haunted.
01:43:08
>> And I hope he actually is. I hope he's not just >> He sees the visions every day. And I
01:43:12
hope it gets worse and worse. I hope those visions never fade. And I hope they get clearer and clearer. I hope
01:43:18
they drive him to complete and utter madness >> and that he loses his [ __ ] mind.
01:43:24
>> I hope it's the same thing like Brian Coberger in the Idaho 4 where he's losing his mind at night cuz none of the
01:43:29
inmates will let him sleep. >> That's what you get when you murder. >> I hope that he's getting that.
01:43:34
>> Now, there was a report that I saw that was on August 18th, just going through
01:43:39
the timeline. And that just gives you another after you've just heard that gives you another indication of how
01:43:45
little he cared and how much he knew that he was probably going to get caught. There was a friend, a mutual
01:43:51
friend of both of them, a guy named Christopher Rusk. Um, and he found out that the family was missing and he
01:44:00
hadn't heard anything yet. And he had reached out to Chris, this was a few days prior, and was saying like, "Oh my
01:44:06
god, I'm so sorry if there's anything I can do." And he said, "The only thing that Chris said to him was, quote, I
01:44:12
shouldn't have talked to the media." >> What the [ __ ] >> And he actually went to the police with
01:44:17
that and said, "This was weird." >> Yeah. >> So, everyone around him was like, "This
01:44:21
is weird. >> I shouldn't have talked to the media." He basically just said, "Well, I'm
01:44:25
fucked." >> Yeah. >> On August 19th, the police department got an email from someone. And this is
01:44:30
this is just a strange thing that I found that I had there was no ver like nothing came after this. Nobody found
01:44:38
this person, but it's still in the documents. And I thought it was a strange thing to see. I was like, "Huh?"
01:44:43
>> Yeah. >> So, the police department on August 19th got an email from someone at family
01:44:48
heatinga.com. And it was saying that Chris was having an affair with a woman, not Nicole
01:44:54
Kessinger, whose ex-husband he worked with at this oil company. and they spoke and interacted through a secret
01:45:02
calculator app, >> which is >> this is interesting because that information had not been revealed that
01:45:08
he talked to Nicole Kessinger through a secret calculator app. I don't know about anyone else, but in 2018, I wasn't
01:45:16
hearing about a secret calculator app that was flying around for people to cheat on their spouses.
01:45:20
>> I wasn't. >> So, it's weird that she said this. >> Mhm. >> And I'm like, this is weird. like as was
01:45:29
he having multiple affairs and this person just didn't come forward or what? >> Maybe
01:45:35
>> like it's very strange. >> It's weird. >> But on August 19th, the same day, Nicole
01:45:42
Kessinger, like we were saying she knew she knew Google. >> Yeah. >> Does everybody remember Amber Fry?
01:45:48
>> Of course. Amber Fry, in case you don't know, >> affair, >> Amber Fry was unknowingly having an
01:45:55
affair with Scott Peterson, who murdered his wife, Lacy Peterson, >> and their unborn child.
01:45:59
>> And their unborn child, Connor. >> Amber, by all accounts and by all the things that they researched and saw, did
01:46:06
not know that he had this whole other life. >> Didn't know he was married at all.
01:46:10
>> Did not know he was married. And >> in the investigation, >> and she wore a wire, she did like she
01:46:15
really tried to get him caught. Um, so she had a different vibe. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so everybody just kind of rallied
01:46:23
around her cuz damn, that's traumatic. >> Yeah. >> Now Kessinger on a August 19th googled
01:46:30
did people hate Amber Fry, things about Amber Fry's net worth and things about her book deal.
01:46:37
If this lady >> woman thought that she was getting a [ __ ] book deal, >> that's I'm like,
01:46:44
>> what are you going to write? Well, you thought you were gonna write about this
01:46:50
like you had any insight and that I'm I'm sorry that you deserve >> that's the thing that comes from that.
01:46:56
>> What the [ __ ] You knew that he was married with children whether or not he was separated
01:47:02
>> having an affair with him. >> You knew he had children and you were having an affair.
01:47:06
>> You knew you had to interact in private. You knew that this wasn't okay. >> Like that's that's the thing.
01:47:13
That's a completely different scenario. >> So that was interesting to me that's in
01:47:18
the discovery. >> And this was another thing that I saw in the Discovery that I never saw mentioned
01:47:24
somewhere was on August 20th. So, so the day after the police got um in touch with somebody named Addie who was
01:47:32
friends with them with friends with Shannan and she said on August 14th, which is the day after they went
01:47:39
missing, >> the day after he murdered them, >> there was an email that Chris responded
01:47:44
to on that day and it was concerning to her because she said his family was missing at this point. Chris received an
01:47:52
email about fantasy football and on the day after his family was missing, he responded with, "I'm in. I'm in." He got
01:48:02
an email about a fantasy football league and he said, "I'm in." >> The day after his family is missing,
01:48:09
>> he's ready to start this new chapter of his life. He's going to fantasy football. He's going to Yeah. He can
01:48:15
spend his money on whatever he wants now cuz he already unenrolled his children in daycare after killing them. Mhm. I'm
01:48:21
in. >> I'm in. >> The day while your family's missing. >> I've already started looking at my my
01:48:25
people that I want to >> You wouldn't catch me answering emails. >> No. If I was and not join and not
01:48:30
joining fantasy football leagues. >> You wouldn't see the Gmail app open on my phone.
01:48:34
>> Now, what if that just blew? This is the kind of [ __ ] that you need to see cuz
01:48:38
you need to know how diabolically awful this piece of [ __ ] is. I'm in. >> I'm in. Now, a few days later, Chris
01:48:44
Watts was arraigned on account of first-degree murder in the death of Shannan and one count of causing the
01:48:50
death of an unborn child. Uh, at his arraignment, Chris's attorney, James Merson, argued that he had killed his
01:48:57
wife in a fit of rage after witnessing her kill their two daughters. Merson also petitioned the judge to require the
01:49:04
district attorney to require DNA testing on the necks of the two girls, but that
01:49:09
was rejected on the grounds that the judge does not have the authority to tell the prosecution how to conduct
01:49:14
their investigation. >> And it probably wouldn't have worked anyway because he shoved his two
01:49:18
children in an oil tank. So that would have disturbed some DNA. >> It absolutely did. Now, from the moment
01:49:23
he offered up this story about Shannan killing Bella and Celeste, nobody believed that. Nobody believed that.
01:49:29
>> It doesn't make any sense. There was no one that believed that and there was also no evidence to support that story.
01:49:35
>> Well, also, this is something that we said yesterday that we forgot to mention
01:49:39
today, that security camera footage that Nate has shows two little shadows going
01:49:44
on. >> It does. I don't think it shows two little shadows, but it shows more than
01:49:49
just his shadow. Like, there's movement that you can see that clearly >> they're alive. Like, there's more than
01:49:57
just getting into the car. It's not just Chris moving about. Like, it just doesn't there's no evidence to show
01:50:03
that. And despite this, the district attorney Michael Ror decided to take a chance on getting a further confession
01:50:10
from Chris. At a meeting in early October, Chris was informed that the prosecutor intended to pursue the death
01:50:16
penalty, as they should. >> Uh, but he was willing to take that off the table if Chris was willing to tell
01:50:23
them what really happened that night, which I think was brilliant. >> Right. Finally, under threat of
01:50:28
execution, Chris confessed that Shannan had nothing to do with their daughter's murders and he was just going to let her
01:50:34
take the fall for it. And it was the in fact Chris who had killed them. >> How nice that he had a choice in not
01:50:41
getting executed. >> Yeah, exactly. Now, what had happened that night, like I said earlier, he
01:50:46
drove them 45 minutes alive. He told them that mommy's sick and needs to go to the hospital.
01:50:54
put them in the car and drove them 45 minutes and could have changed his mind. Once he dumped Shannan's body into the
01:51:02
dirt, he smothered Cece with her favorite blanket in front of Bella. Bella again fought him. I'm not going to
01:51:12
go into any more detail than that. I'm not going to say any of like last words or anything because it's pure horror. If
01:51:20
you read it and you hear about it and you hear this [ __ ] too, this [ __ ] who later confessed every detail of
01:51:27
this, when you hear him say it, it'll turn your stomach in a way that I is hard to recover from. So, I don't
01:51:34
suggest listening to it. >> Does he have any emotion when he says it? >> He doesn't give a [ __ ] And it's just
01:51:39
the the details of that moment are so horrifying. >> Well, that's not what anybody needs to
01:51:45
remember about those kids. >> It's not. And that's the it's the worst kind of horror. And I'm just so sorry to
01:51:51
their family. Yeah. Like I'm so sorry. Every the whole time I was reading these things, I was just like,
01:51:57
>> I'm so sorry. >> Yeah. >> Like I'm so sorry that this man who you thought was protecting your family and
01:52:04
was a part of your family >> was the monster that your kids feared. >> Yeah. >> And didn't even know it. Like I'm so so
01:52:11
sorry. It just >> like Yeah. Now, on November 19th, 2018, Chris appeared before a judge for
01:52:19
sentencing. By then, the charges against him were now three counts of first-degree murder, two counts of
01:52:25
causing the death of a child under 12, as well as one count of unlawful termination of a pregnancy, and three
01:52:31
counts of tampering with a deceased human body. >> Wow. >> Now, at sentencing, Michael Roor urged
01:52:37
that maximum penalty of life in prison be imposed. Good. And he said, he told the jury, "What must the part that Yeah,
01:52:46
this is a lot. What must Bella, age four, or Celeste, age three, have thought when their father, the one man
01:52:54
on earth supposed to nurture and protect them, smotherthered them to death?" >> And And it's true.
01:53:01
>> Yeah. >> Like, you don't even want to think about that. You're like, I But I keep thinking
01:53:05
about it. Like, how do you stop thinking about it? >> Knowing that that's what happened, how
01:53:08
do you not think about We got to after we record this one for the second time, I have to get a far away from this case.
01:53:15
I need to get far away from this case. It's horrific. >> And it what kills me is that the family
01:53:21
and the friends can't get away from it. >> No, it's their reality. >> Like I'm saying, I need to get away from
01:53:26
this. I need to go like read something. I need to just like get it out of my brain. But this is what he did to them.
01:53:31
But they live with this every [ __ ] day. and pe that people who loved him and trusted him to take care of those
01:53:37
children and take care of Shannan >> and be a husband and a father. >> They live with their absence every day.
01:53:43
So, it's a reminder every single day to them of what happened >> and he's still here.
01:53:47
>> Like that's and he's still here in protective custody like the little [ __ ] that he is.
01:53:52
>> Truly >> just But you know what? He's scared every second. >> He's pissing his pants every second. I
01:54:01
just feel like don't protect him. He didn't protect anybody. >> No, nobody protected those little girls.
01:54:07
>> His duty >> and nobody and his duty as a husband was to protect his wife and his children at all costs
01:54:15
and he didn't. So why are taxpayer dollars >> Yeah. >> protecting him? >> Exactly.
01:54:20
>> Why? >> Why? >> I don't want to f I mean, I'm not in Colorado, but I don't want to [ __ ]
01:54:23
pay for that. >> Yeah. >> Nobody should pay for that. >> No. >> Give him one Give him one day out. It'll
01:54:29
be fine. Give him a day he deserves, you know. That's all. >> Let karma serve its purpose.
01:54:34
>> Yeah. Just let the let the chips fall where they may, you know. >> That's all I have to say.
01:54:39
>> Judge Marcelo Copcow shared everybody's outrage and disgust with Chris Watts. Um
01:54:46
he said, "This is perhaps the most inhumane and vicious crime I have handled out of the thousands of cases
01:54:52
I've seen." >> Can't even imagine. Nothing less than a maximum sentence would be appropriate.
01:54:57
And with that, he sentenced Chris Watts to three life terms for the murders and an additional 84 years for the other
01:55:05
crimes. So this [ __ ] is spending three life sentences plus 84 years. I honestly
01:55:10
like part of me hopes that he lives such a long life. >> Yeah. >> And I hope he thinks about it every day.
01:55:16
>> Absolutely terrorized because he doesn't get to he doesn't deserve to get to move
01:55:20
on to the afterlife anytime soon. No >> and be rid of this. >> No. And before Chris was removed to
01:55:27
begin serving his sentence, the families of both Chris and Shannan were given the
01:55:31
opportunity to speak. These ones are rough, but I feel like they're important. >> They're heavy, but yeah, their words
01:55:36
should be said. >> So Frankie, Shannan's uh brother >> said, honestly, this one really gets me.
01:55:43
We beg the district attorney to spare your life because we believe no one has the right to take the life of another,
01:55:49
even someone like you. Why? Why would you do this? You don't deserve to be called a man. What part of what kind of
01:55:56
person slaughters the people who love him the most? Did you really think you'd get away with this? Did you really think
01:56:02
that this was your best option to throw away your family like they were garbage?
01:56:06
They deserve better and you know it. I hope you spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling every night being
01:56:11
haunted by what you've done. You took away my family from this earth, but you can never take them from my heart. This
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is the part that really kills me. You took away my privilege of being an uncle to the most precious little girls
01:56:26
I had ever known. [ __ ] That always gets me. >> Yeah, of course. >> It's like I'm so glad that that they got
01:56:35
to say exactly what they wanted to him though. And who knows how it impacted him because I don't know if he's even
01:56:42
impactable. >> But I hope it [ __ ] him up. >> I hope it did. >> Her father, Frank Jun, uh Senior said,
01:56:47
"I trusted you to take care of them, not kill them." And they also trusted you, you heartless monster. You have to live
01:56:53
with this vision every day of your life. And I hope you see it every time you close your eyes at night. Now, in her
01:57:00
statement, Cindy Watts, Chris's mother, >> barely reading sorrow for everything.
01:57:06
And she said, "As your mother, I have always loved you and I still do. I hate what has happened, but we will remain
01:57:12
faithful as your family. We love you and forgive you, son." It's so bad that you
01:57:17
have to say what has happened. You didn't even say what you've done. Use use a more like forceful terms. Don't
01:57:26
make it passive like he didn't have something to do with it. What has happened? Nothing happened, babe.
01:57:32
Nothing happened. >> I hate that you have done this to our family. >> Murdered his family.
01:57:37
>> Also, you want to say, "I will always love you cuz I'm your mother." Yeah, I get it. I will always love my kids. I
01:57:43
don't care like no matter what, of course. >> But to sit there and say what happened
01:57:47
like he didn't do it. And also to say, "I forgive you." No one gives a [ __ ] that you stand in front of her family
01:57:54
and say that you forgive the guy who murdered their daughter >> who you didn't like and continue to
01:58:00
disparage >> and continue to say you don't like. >> We can't get too far into that cuz I'll
01:58:04
get heated. >> Yeah, I'll get like super pissed. But there's she's done plenty of interviews
01:58:07
that say how she felt about Shannan since Shannan has been murdered. Yeah. >> Um, one thing I have to say is I don't
01:58:14
understand how she didn't get up there. Like I don't have children so I don't know how I feel how I will feel like
01:58:20
yeah or how I would feel in this situation but I feel like you could have gotten up there and said I will I'm your
01:58:26
mother. I still love you but I'm [ __ ] ashamed of you cuz I think you can still
01:58:30
love somebody like of course that doesn't go away but you can be ashamed and that one thing I believe is that
01:58:36
that woman should be ashamed of her son. >> Well and here's what I think should have
01:58:40
happened. Don't say anything. >> Yeah. >> Sit down. Yeah. And hey, continue to not
01:58:47
say anything. That's my advice. >> Yeah. Stop calling the media. >> Stop speaking about it.
01:58:53
>> Yeah. >> Because no one wants to hear his family's side of it. >> Nope. >> Don't talk about it.
01:59:00
>> Like that's >> it'd be different. It would be different if their reactions were different. But
01:59:04
we need to move on. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to get too far into it. >> N.
01:59:07
>> But I do want to end those statements with Sandy, who is Shannan's mother. She
01:59:12
said, "And this proves that the mask dropped. >> We loved you like a son. We trusted you.
01:59:20
Your faithful wife trusted you. Your children adored you and they also trusted you. Your daughter, Bella Marie,
01:59:26
sang a song proudly. I don't know if you got to see it, but it was, "Daddy, you're my hero. I have no idea who gave
01:59:33
you the right to take their lives, but I know God and his mighty angels were there at that moment to bring them home
01:59:39
to paradise." After everyone had been given the opportunity to speak, the judge instructed the deputies to take Chris
01:59:47
out of that [ __ ] courtroom >> and deliver him to the custody of the Colorado State Prison System where he
01:59:52
was going to begin serving a sentence >> where he was going to begin rotting. >> But a few months later,
01:59:58
>> Chris was transferred to Dodge Correctional Facility in Wisconsin after prison officials in Colorado became
02:00:06
concerned for his safety. He wasn't concerned with anybody else's safety, so why waste the money?
02:00:11
>> He should be concerned for his safety every [ __ ] second of every [ __ ] day for the entirety of his life.
02:00:19
>> He remains there to this day and is unlikely to be released. And like I said, just to remind you, he's scared
02:00:25
shitless for his life. Every second of every day, he barely sees sunlight. He's in isolation.
02:00:32
His life is miserable, and that's how it should be. He also recently, as recent as last year, 2025, he wrote a letter to
02:00:39
God. He's found uh religion. Honey, if God's around, he's not listening to your dumb ass. He does not like your ass. I
02:00:46
can tell you that much. He wrote a letter to God where he blamed uh women >> and mainly his mistress Nicole for what
02:00:55
happened. >> Nice. >> Um he said that she uh tempted him. >> Oh. because he's a little sniveling [ __ ]
02:01:03
>> with no self-control. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Totally. >> Um I He wrote, "I was misled. I was
02:01:11
tempted by a harlot. I was weak and I allowed myself to be fooled by an evil woman. She led me from the path of
02:01:17
righteousness. I know that you will deal with her someday. She will be judged. You know my heart, Lord. I am a man
02:01:23
after your heart. I seek your face. I allowed her to sway me." He also completely blamed just women for
02:01:30
everything. He called women harlots, jezebels, [ __ ] Okay, >> it's all their fault. Meanwhile,
02:01:34
>> it seems like he's really adjusting. >> He was cheating on his pregnant wife and
02:01:37
then murdered them all in cold blood. But like, yeah, it's women's fault. >> Yeah, totally. That's nice.
02:01:42
>> Should have known it when he looked at that police officer and said, "Cuz women,
02:01:45
>> honestly, >> when it made no sense." Um, there is also a paranormal aspect to this case,
02:01:50
which I'm not going to get super into. There's only a couple that I just wanted to point out because they are the only
02:01:56
ones that I was not able to immediately be like, well, maybe it's this, you know. Um,
02:02:03
>> so there's there's like two things. So, there's one, Sandy Shannan's mom received a text message after all of
02:02:12
this from an unknown number saying that the back door of your deceased daughter's house is open. and she
02:02:20
responded, "Who is this?" And they never responded to her. Like, that's [ __ ] up. So, the police were called to go
02:02:27
check. The door was closed, but the screen door was open, >> which is weird. >> And the garage light was on. And there's
02:02:36
no, it's not motion, nothing like that. It's like it was on. >> Like, you have to be in the garage to
02:02:41
turn it on. >> They were confused by all this, but seemed like no one had broken in.
02:02:45
Nothing else they could figure out, at least. And then later in the same day, Nate, the neighbor who like saved us all
02:02:53
with the surveillance video, >> right? >> He said that he got so other neighbors
02:02:58
had had told him that they were seeing lights going on in that house. >> Mhm. >> And so he said he looked at the
02:03:03
surveillance video and he saw a dark-haired woman walk up to the front door >> and not walk out.
02:03:10
>> So many times and it chills me to my core every time. >> And she never walked out. So the police
02:03:15
showed up again. They couldn't find anybody, but there were lights on. And when they went in there, they said like
02:03:21
a cabinet was opened, but that's it. And like they couldn't figure out anything else. It didn't look like anything was
02:03:27
like ransacked or taken. >> And there's no footage of the woman leaving. >> Yeah. And that footage isn't released.
02:03:33
They won't release it. >> Like maybe she went out the back. >> You would I think you would see though.
02:03:38
>> You Oh, okay. >> Cuz the door and the door was locked. >> Oh, yeah. I don't know. That's chilling.
02:03:44
And then like I think the garage the alarm was set and when they talked to Shannan's father he was like I didn't
02:03:51
set the alarm when I left last >> cuz there's nobody in the house. >> Like they why he literally he's like
02:03:56
there's nothing worth protecting in that house anymore. >> So why is the alarm set and who set it?
02:04:04
>> Yeah. Like it's very strange. >> And why? >> It's very very strange. >> Yeah.
02:04:10
>> I don't know. >> And then there's two other things. There's there's body cam footage from
02:04:14
afterwards with the K9 unit. >> This is the part that messes me up. >> And when they're walking into Shannan's
02:04:21
closet, you hear a very distinct giggle. A child's giggle. >> Loud. Very loud. Very distinctive. It
02:04:27
actually startles the officers. They all hear it. They all discuss it. >> And they try to recreate.
02:04:31
>> They try to recreate it. They're all very frazzled by it. They can't recreate
02:04:35
it. They don't know where it came from. It's very spoopy. >> One of them won't even go back in the
02:04:41
closet. >> Yeah. that's like clearly freaked out by it. And then the second one is the one
02:04:46
that really chills my bones cuz honestly with that first one I hope that's residual. Yeah, exactly. I hope it's res
02:04:54
residual energy because I really hope that >> like whatever their family believed in
02:04:58
like um Sandy said she hopes they're in paradise. I hope that's exactly where they are. Like I don't want to believe
02:05:04
and I honestly don't believe that they're stuck in that house. >> No, I don't believe that either. I think
02:05:09
if anything this was >> residual. I think this stuff too was as they were missing. Yeah, I'm pretty
02:05:16
sure. So, it was right after. And I wonder if it's just a burst of residual stuff, but they go into the main bedroom
02:05:24
at one point and you can hear this breathy whispering voice say, "This is our home." And it sounds like it's in
02:05:31
like despair. >> Yeah. It sounds like a very sad like, "This is our home." Like >> so sad. And it's And it's so clear. It
02:05:41
is. And it's just like I don't know what it is, but regardless of what it is, it's spooky and it's I don't know if
02:05:47
it's just energy that like was cuz I was gnarly energy in that house right then.
02:05:52
So, >> but it's very spooky. A lot of people talk about it. It's worth noting. >> Yeah.
02:05:57
>> Um >> but yeah, that that is the story of Chris Watts and it's even more horrifying than I initially
02:06:07
thought it would be somehow. >> Yeah, honestly. Um, and again, I just feel so sorry for anybody who knew them
02:06:15
who has to live this every day. >> I know. >> Uh, but I also want to make sure that
02:06:21
his version of the story is dispelled as often as humanly possible. >> Seriously. Um because [ __ ] he's a
02:06:30
monster and I am happy to never think of him again because also he likes to like
02:06:36
spin the story of like Shannan being doineering and almost tries to pin it on that like well she was just a hard woman
02:06:44
to live with and it's like first of all none of her friends say that everyone who knows her says that she was great
02:06:50
and it's like and two even if she was doineering >> get divorced still doesn't mean you kill
02:06:56
Like that's so like I I hate that [ __ ] too cuz it's like it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It has
02:07:02
nothing to do with anything. >> There's just no excuse for this. >> There's no excuse for it.
02:07:06
>> But yeah, it's a horrifying story >> and I never want to talk about it again.
02:07:12
>> Let's as a palette cleanser get to the fun fact part of the show. >> Yeah. >> To end this, um I feel like we all need
02:07:20
this fun fact. >> I desperately need it. Birds get drunk on fermented berries, particularly in
02:07:27
the late winter and early spring because uh thawing and freezing causes the berries to ferment.
02:07:34
>> I you had used this one yesterday and it was so welcome. >> Yeah, >> I love that.
02:07:39
>> It's very prevalent in the spring. In fact, >> I love that a lot. >> Yeah, >> because good for them.
02:07:44
>> We might have seen a drunk bird today, actually. >> They're just out there popping bottles.
02:07:48
>> You never know. Yeah, I saw a bird that that flew I was in the drive-thru and it
02:07:52
flew onto a branch, but the branch wasn't like heavy enough to support it. So, it had like a weird stumble moment
02:07:57
and then jumped on a regular branch and I was like, "Oh man, I bet he's so embarrassed and I hope he's not."
02:08:02
>> She's like, "I hope nobody saw that." >> I was like, "I'm not judging you. We've
02:08:04
all been there." >> Um, but yeah, that was a good fun fact. >> Yeah, I love birds.
02:08:10
>> Yeah. >> All right. We hope you keep listening and we hope you >> keep it weird.
02:08:17
>> And that's it. Not that weird, man. What do you do?