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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it is I did that thing where I almost
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said hi I'm Elena hi I'm Elena just hey emelina that's it that's that's that's welcome that's the that's that's that's
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the whoa that's the that on that oh yeah that's what I was going for I finished it I figured that's what you were going
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for just trying to help you out there for a second just taking a sip of her iced coffee so she's like you keep
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talking keep going don't you let anyone hear me swallow that iced coffee oh God I hate when I hate the thought of people
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like hearing me chew or swallow or anything it's true um I don't like mouth noises no and most
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people don't I don't think so I don't think anybody's like Oh yay mouth noise my favorite
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um I also just needed that coffee because wow I could not get a sentence out it's true but here we are it's
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morbid yeah I have a pretty tough one today it's it's a sad sad story oh good um
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but yeah maybe before we start I'll just quickly say there's a tick tock account
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that you guys should follow oh she's good at that let's see yeah I haven't done it in a while yeah you haven't Tick
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Tock recommendation corner with Elena who's who's up oh there's two actually there's two so uh my first is like for
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all especially parents out there oh is it Annalee Yeah Anna Lee a-n-a-l-e-e she's hilarious she's like the realist
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parent she is even fellow I feel like even if you don't have kids but like you want kids or like you're involved in
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kids lives in a big one yeah she's a great follow I highly suggest it very entertaining very sweet and every time I
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watch her videos I'm like can we hang out though like can we be mom friends I would really like to be so Anna Lee if
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you're listening can we be mom friends can you guys be mom friends and then I can be like your non-mom friend for a
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little bit I want that and Anna Lee and a bunch of other Tick Tock moms hung out
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in like South Carolina I know one of my other couple weeks ago mom Tick Tock yes
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was there I can't think of her name and I'm so bad at that lost my mind when I saw it because they were all my
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favorites and I was like the mom with like the super curly hair who's pregnant right now oh my God yes
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cutest woman alive funniest woman alive and you know what we'll make sure to share yeah she's gonna look for it
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because you gotta follow these these ladies they're just genuinely hilarious women they're doing awesome things and I
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highly suggest supporting the [ __ ] out of them I agree who is the other person
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so the other one is if you're feeling you know if you if you're feeling witchy or if you're interested in witchiness
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there's an account called down the witch's way oh hell yeah we literally just did one of them yeah and he has the
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most soothing voice my goodness couple of books he has a couple books that I have I purchased them because he is that
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good and he's just you know he's a delightful human to to watch his tick tocks and I think he needs more
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followers so I agree go take a peek at it if you feeling like you want some easy little you know spells or you just
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wanna listen to a soothing man tell you wonderful things this man is it you can do that down the witch's way
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so good I love his spells and then the mom that I was just talking about um is at the Von D fam it's the
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v-o-n-d-y-f-a-m hilarious that page is so funny she is hilarious she makes up like songs and stuff and it just yeah
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she's really funny and again like even if you're not a mom but like you love kids or just a very very good accounts
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to follow that'll just make you smile exactly make you laugh if you're looking for a laugh or looking for a smile or
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looking to learn some things those are some good pages so I cast a [ __ ] spell so you know so do it just do it
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just do it I was thinking of the does anybody remember the video where the little boy was like so do is it just it
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was it I can't find that video anywhere now and we remember we used to say it all the time you showed me it wow but
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yeah those are a little internet recommendations of the hour and now that we've brought you up we're
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gonna bring you right right back down I don't know this one so I am totally in the dark I also hadn't heard of this one
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um a couple people requested it so I said sure beans totally sure beans and then me and Dave started working on it
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and we were like wow this is so wow tragic and terrible but an interesting story nonetheless okay and definitely um
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I just want to say at the beginning of this I have a few um like mental health things that I'm
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gonna plug at the end so definitely stay tuned for those Outlets okay so we're going to be talking about Hayward
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Bissell today and the murder of Patricia Booher it is a particularly gruesome one
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so just please be warned so Hayward William Bissell was born March 28 1962 in New London Ohio
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um I think I had said you did like an Ohio case recently and I was like oh my God my next one is Ohio oh yeah but I
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ended up doing something before that so this is the Ohio one yeah this is the one I was talking about but Hayward was
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the second of three children born to Howard and Magdalena better known as Maggie Bissell altogether though there
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were four children in the house actually because Maggie had brought a son from her previous marriage now Howard he
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spent almost 20 years serving in the U.S army before finally getting discharged and that's when the family settled down
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in Ohio okay now once they were kind of settled he went to work at the Ford plant in Sandusky and from the sounds of
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it Maggie stayed at home and raised the kids and I'm sure she definitely had her
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hands full and she definitely did actually because by most accounts Hayward was a pretty
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difficult child from an early age a family room member recalled his childhood and told reporters he was
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always griping he griped as a child and he griped as an adult fun yeah according to more family
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members he also had a constant struggle with authority whether it was an authority figure at home at school at
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work he just did not want to deal with and would not deal with any kind of authority that's not easy to deal with
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no and it was probably for that very reason that it made it really difficult for him to hold down a job the family
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later said he abhors work and avoids working wow and his attitude made it so that he was constantly involved in some
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kind of conflict some kind of argument always had an issue with somebody and that person usually for like the the
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first half of his life was his father their relationship for probably that reason and I'm sure many others was very
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very strained there was a lot of different reports about hayward's childhood but a lot of them
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were kind of unreliable because they all said different things but that speculation does make a bit of sense
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that there was issues with the father and one relative wondered if hayward's behavioral problems could have come from
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or at the very least been exacerbated by quote a couple of minor accidents as a child that might have resulted in
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concussions that's always a trigger I feel yeah but I mean he must have been growing up in what the late 60s early
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70s yeah I don't think they had a great understanding oh what that did or what that could do I mean up until very
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recently they would tell you to wake the kid up every hour yeah and they hit their head right now they tell you
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something totally different oh I didn't even realize yeah that changed as well like obviously I'm sure there's
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different things but like um they tell you to like just make sure that they Rouse correctly but you don't
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need to wake them up especially not for like a minor head head knock you know that makes sense but we were always like
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so crazy like whenever the kids would like bump their head oh yeah we'd be like we need to wake them up every 20
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minutes I don't blame you though because it's like scary yeah you're nervous exactly especially a new parent you're
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like Jesus oh yeah trailing off well in general like if you think your kid whacked their heart their head hard
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enough yeah that's really nerve-wracking and in fact I'm about to say something about that there you go there was one
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incident in particular where he had fallen so hard that afterwards he told a family member he got down on his knees
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and saw a bright light oh that's how hard he had fallen oh so that's like definitely concussion territory pretty
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hard at the very least yeah if that was one concussion of many the mental illness that kind of plagued his life
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afterwards and especially when he was an adult I think could have started an early childhood yeah there certainly
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could have been a correlation you know who's to say so by the time he reached High School Hayward had a reputation as
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a difficult and sort of hot and cold student and I think this was definitely during a time where people did not
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understand mental health struggles yeah and it was it seemed very clear that he was struggling mentally and it's just
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like he's lazy he's lazy he doesn't like rep he doesn't like Authority he doesn't
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like this and I think had he gotten help I don't think this story would have it's very sad
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but the thing was if he was interested in the subject he would actually do pretty well in the class but if he
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didn't care or wasn't interested in the subject he would just mess around he would distract people in the class and
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would end up failing or just getting kicked out okay so he ended up dropping out after his sophomore year which
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probably had something to do with his increasingly heavy drug use and alcohol abuse around that same time and that's
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another thing that I think again exacerbated the issues that probably were already there for sure now in 1979
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when he was 18 He enlisted in the Army and at first he was stationed in Cleveland Ohio but he did eventually get
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transferred to Germany which is weird oh yeah the Joe Metheny you were just talking about that and he probably
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didn't get stationed yeah we don't think he did at least the Hayward did oh that's wild and Joe metheny's childhood
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was very like I'm not sure exactly what happened because there's different reports yeah it's interesting yeah and
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they are both very they end up both being very brutal people yeah exactly um but it was there in Germany that he
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trained as this is really cool in my opinion a motor transport operator and um and a Rifleman but strangely enough
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Hayward he didn't seem to struggle with authority as much when he was in the Army ah I don't know if
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you know I don't really know why that was yeah that's so that's strange but but who's to say I used to say I I don't
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know if it was just one of those things where he was like I have to do this I don't really have a choice yeah I know I
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just gotta get through it and I might as well like do it or if it was because he
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was interested in what he was working on that could have been it maybe exactly um I think it was probably all the
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structure involved I think yeah if there's structure that tends to help but not only was he staying out of trouble
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at this point in his life but he was actually succeeding in ways that he never had before the more and more I'm
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talking about this it is kind of reminding me of Joe Metheny yeah he ended up being honored two times with
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the Army Achievement medal for excelling in Specialties wow and unfortunately though his positive experiences in the
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Army would be short-lived and really the first and only time in his life where he
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wasn't involved in any kind of conflict or some kind of trouble oh that sucks but it's so sad because it's clear that
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like obviously he could succeed yeah in some areas like that's why not none of these things you can really not make
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sense like heads or tails of these kind of stories because it's like would it have stopped you would it not have like
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what would have taken to put you on the right path what is there a right path for you like you know like these kind of
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things are always just like huh it's one of those things where you can argue nature you can argue nurture it's all
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speculating they're both at play yeah it's all speculation exactly because who are we to say who's to say I'm not an
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armchair expert like Dax Shepard exactly another great podcast recommendation true same but anyways in 1985 Hayward
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was actually honor honorably discharged and he went back home to Ohio where he got a job working as a security guard at
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a factory in Toledo which is really fun to say the Toledo Toledo uh he got another gig after that working at the
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Fannie Farmer Candy Factory in Norwalk and it wasn't long before he met a lady that struck his fancy her name was
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Sherry Brown and they got married very quickly and after they got married they moved to Norwalk Ohio and a year later
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they had a child together a daughter named Crystal um trigger warning coming up for
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domestic violence ooh The Newlywed period where you're just happy to be husband and wife and everything is
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beautiful a lot of dad do it did not last long for them just one year after Crystal was born Hayward started
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verbally and physically abusing Sherry that's [ __ ] up which like I can't imagine you just have a baby with
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someone you think you're in love with and then that's when they start bringing being cruel to you like that's when the
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facade drops that's awful but things actually got so bad that she filed for and was awarded a strain a restraining
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order excuse me against Hayward but she ended up dropping the order just eight days after it was granted and she
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did go back I'm sure she was very scared yeah of course you never know those situations no and according to her
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brother Leonard the abuse only got worse after the restraining order was lifted he told a reporter from the Sandusky
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Register I know he was very dominating speaking about Hayward he made my sister eat food from the floor like a dog oh my
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God he beat her he used to do lots of weird stuff and what's really sad is during this time her own family was
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having a hard time believing her about everything that was happening I think because it was so like over and exactly
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so extreme that they were like what and was he putting on like a good front for them I think he must have been I'm sure
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he was able to exactly and that's God that's awful so they weren't believing the details of the abuse necessarily and
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it was only after Hayward ended up being arrested that they realized Sherry was telling them the truth the entire time
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that poor baby a poor baby having to grow up in that environment I didn't find anything to say that like she was
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involved the baby and I can only hope that she wasn't well I feel so bad for like for sharing them for Sherry too
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because it's like I'm sure Sherry just wanted to protect that baby and yeah possible situation exactly so in January
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of 1989 she did file for another restraining order after an argument got so bad that he slapped her across the
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face and ended up throwing her into the refrigerator not like inside of it but like onto it you have to be like such
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a huge piece of [ __ ] to abuse your spouse a hundred percent like like obviously you have to be a
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huge piece of [ __ ] to abuse anybody but like someone else that you're supposed
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to love like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you like you took a vows you to accept
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them for who they are to love them no matter what you can't handle your own your own anger like you you're you're
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that [ __ ] ugh it's just like grow up no it's like learn to manage your own emotions there buddy go get help if
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you're having a problem regulating your emotions do you know that like you realize that inside of yourself and you
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need to go get help and you need to come up with like ways to you know hand like
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regulate it go take a walk outside go do something count to ten like figure out ways that work for you to calm it down
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before you lose it on someone because that's not cool in any sense of the word that's why I personally feel like
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everybody should just go to therapy because you figure out ways to calm yourself down before you even know that
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you're pissed off about truly it makes sense but it's so sad she in the affidavit filed Sherry wrote he's
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slapped me and I started to scream then he pushed me up against the wall and hit
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both sides of my head I got in the shower and told him to leave me alone he slapped me again on the side of the head
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and banged my head against the shower and knocked me down like this is what he's doing to his wife well that's the
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thing I'm just picturing her like this is the person that you love and a love enough to like welcome a baby into that
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stuff always really stresses me out to here because it's just like I can't like the fear that must come with that and
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the loneliness like I can't imagine the fear the loneliness the lack of help that you would have in your next
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relationship if you even trusted somebody enough to get into one second time I just feel bad that anybody goes
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through that it's just [ __ ] up but so she she ended up filing for another restraining order like I said and this
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time once it was granted she had no [ __ ] intention of dropping it or going back good for her and she was
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going to up the ante this time because she filed for divorce good now at first when he was served the divorce papers
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Hayward was in shock yeah I'm like you you were really you were really shocked by this news he told
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Sherry's brother Leonard I can't understand after so many years of loving her why she wants to divorce me huh like
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you have been married three years and it sounds like you made a majority of those
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years a living hell for her like you did not love her love is not hitting somebody repeatedly in the face
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and also he was trying to kind of like [ __ ] with her name and he was constantly
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accusing her of having an affair with one of her friends and she was like I'm not having an affair and another report
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made to the Norwalk Police uh Leonard her brother there claimed Hayward is telling people in front of me and to me
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that cherry is gay and she left him for another woman a woman which I can say she's not
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like why are you just making random stuff up at her like just go your separate ways man that's the thing but
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either way regardless of all his protests and claims of Sherry being stepping out on him and everything the
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divorce was granted on March 29 1989 and luckily Sherry was awarded full custody
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of Crystal I was gonna say I'm very glad that she was able to get out of there because sometimes that is the most
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dangerous most of the time that is the most dangerous part of the whole thing absolutely is when you file or exactly
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into well what makes me sad is so she did get full custody of Crystal but a few weeks after everything was finalized
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the agreement was modified and Hayward actually ended up getting granted custody on Alternate weekends and
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holidays which she must have been terrified to send her daughter over there how do you let a child be with any
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person who is violent especially toward women it's a daughter it's like no matter what of which way it goes if that
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other person is violent and has been proven to be violent they should not be they should not be able to be around
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that child unless it's supervised and like they're exactly in a program getting help exactly
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so the divorce seemed to settle the conflict between Sherry and Hayward I think they must have just gone their
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separate ways and kind of let the court handle it from the sounds of it which I think in that situation was the best way
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to go but at the same time it definitely marked a downward spiral for Hayward into more violence more bizarre behavior
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that hinted at bigger mental health problems to come in 1990 his parents moved from Ohio to
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Florida and their relationship for like the past couple years with him had gotten increasingly strained especially
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leading up to their move but at the same time they were also the only people he had to lean on when it came to managing
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his symptoms and his symptoms were getting worse and worse yeah so once they were gone the changes in him were
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completely undeniable and his life it just became a like a series of bizarre events threatening events he was having
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violent exchanges with people acquaintances friends doctors strangers sometimes and he didn't really have
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anybody around him at this point to like get him into a program I was gonna say and he wasn't like it's really tanking
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here it's getting worse now it was during this time that he was like I'm saying right now showing Decline and in
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late 1991 his landlord at the Dreamland Motel where he ended up living called the police and reported that Hayward
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made multiple stream change and frightening threats according to the landlord Hayward stole the landlord's
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mail and cut it up into little pieces and he said he did this because he was convinced that his landlord was
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returning his mail like hayward's mail to the post office and the landlord was like no I'm not doing that at all like I
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I haven't touched his mail seeing it's these kind of things these like Strange Behaviors that are always the things
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that it's like it's leading up you wish someone's radar would go up but again and and especially in this country
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mental health is not where it needs to be like to be remedied you know what I mean like it's not easy to get resources
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it's stigmatized it still sucks people don't want to admit sometimes like what they're going through because of the
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state not everyone has access to the help they need or the help that would the help that would stop somebody from
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going down these kind of paths and sadly right now especially like in America we're in such a mental health crisis
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right now after the pandemic beds are available psychiatrists aren't available it's [ __ ] like it's sad yeah it really
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is I really hope that's some of the sources that I ended up putting in the bottom if anybody is going through
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something I think they cannot help they can find help there because I feel like therapists are probably overrun right
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now oh yeah I mean I mean I can't imagine how their mental health is going like with their case loads you know
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exactly my therapist that I used to see said that she had a therapist herself oh
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I'm sure and like I can't imagine having to take on all of those problems and then be like and like not internalize
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them you know of course but during this incident where the the cutting up of the
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mail was going on the landlord called his wife into the room to be a witness to of the exchange and at that point
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Hayward told the couple and this is like racist so trigger warning he said I don't like people from foreign countries
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I'm going to kill one of them when it gets dark I'm going to hurt somebody I'm going to hurt them or their children oh
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so that's when the landlord called the police oh thank goodness they took that step yeah but short before this incident
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with his landlord hayward's second wife Teresa she started noticing a dramatic shift in his behavior because he got
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married a second time they got married in 1991 and just after the wedding like he had with his first wife he started
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abusing her getting argumentative picking fights and then started making weird threats or just being generally
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menacing now weirdly the abusive Behavior was not the main cause for the end of their
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relationship what really ended the relationship was hayward's slow shift toward isolation and he was becoming
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like very obsessive about his environment he wanted to control everything in the environment according
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to Teresa Hayward quote got to where he never wanted to go out and he was very particular about putting things with the
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where they belonged he wanted everything done in his way so they went their separate ways because of this but they
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actually never formally divorced oh wow isn't that interesting yeah they were technically still married but very much
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separated when Hayward started dating Patricia booer years later so in the years that followed the break
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uh the breakdown of hayward's second marriage and kind of like the incidents where he was living he was hospitalized
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for mental health treatment several times and quote would the diagnosis usually listed as paranoid schizophrenia
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okay which is really sad his symptoms almost always included acute paranoia and he believed that people were either
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watching him following him or bugging his apartment that's so scary it is in one of the instances he told doctors
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quote he had been given truth serum in a shot ending candy and then in another he
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told his doctors he believed that quote his alarm clock and his mind were being controlled by satellites and said that
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certain people in town were trying to bite off his penis wow so he was really really going through it but the thing
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was more often than not the periods where he was hospitalized they were actually him volunteering to get help
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and like going into these programs like the the first move was initiated by Hayward himself and it was amazing that
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he was willing to get help but because of the state of his mental health he didn't always want to stay once he got
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there and while the doctors maybe wanted him to stay longer there wasn't a lot they could do back then because this all
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of this was a voluntary basis yeah and what only exacerbated things further was that he was prescribed medicine to
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manage his symptoms but he didn't always take it consistently yeah because he doesn't have like an aid that lives with
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him he doesn't have a doctor that's coming out to check on him routinely it's just him or just anyone that's like
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around him taking care of that yeah he doesn't have anybody so that was obviously going to lead to a lot of
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bigger issues this whole story is really sad for everybody yeah truly now in the
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late 90s he was living in Greenwich Ohio and he was having a lot of run-ins with
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the police I think it's Greenwich it might be Greenwich but I said Greenwich yeah because we have a Greenwich here we
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do yeah so he was having frequent run-ins with the police during this time there was a lot of sudden outbursts
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there was a lot of inappropriate behavior going on and he actually got to know the police chief Randall Kilgore
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pretty well and because of this Randall actually recognized hayward's symptoms of mental illness and I think he kind of
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like would keep tabs on him a little more because he knew that he was by himself
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now on one occasion Hayward walked into this officer's office and reported that something evil had taken hold of him he
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said he couldn't tell the chief what it was because it was quote unquote confidential
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and that was actually his second run-in with Hayward that same day the first run-in was when Hayward was discovered
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sitting in the front seat of the mayor's car in the like City Hall Parking Lot oh
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my so clearly this was escalating yeah and the thing was for the most part aside from the struggles within the
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marriage and the domestic abuse afterwards his behavior was strange and it was off-putting for residents in the
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small town but it was usually just minor disturbances that were going on but in December of 1998 that all changed when
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police in Newark Ohio received a call about a man with a gun causing problems at a place called Nick Saloon now when
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the officers arrived at the bar they were approached by a man who said somebody else in the parking lot had
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been following his car closely for miles and he didn't know why now when they approached the driver of
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the other vehicle it turned out to be Hayward Bissell and he told the officers he couldn't tell them why he was
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following this man he said again it's confidential so in his mind he was on these like missions basically but
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obviously it was due to the schizophrenia that he was suffering from so in the spring of 1999 he was
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hospitalized again after a small fire on the stove of his apartment set off the fire alarms in that apartment in
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Greenwich and he told the investigators he'd been smoking pot and that interacted with his already prescribed
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medication and the fire started because he fell asleep with a pot still on the stove oh now when he woke up whatever
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was in the Pod had caught fire and he ended up with a burn on his arm so he got treated for the burn and while he
00:27:51
was being treated he definitely seemed to be kind of out of it and the doctors were very concerned about his behavior
00:27:57
so he got admitted for a psychiatric evaluation and treatment now during this inpatient stay Hayward told his doctors
00:28:05
that it was actually federal agents that had set fire in his apartment and he said that the government was taking away
00:28:11
his special powers so he's starting to really go through it yeah but sadly that was another short
00:28:19
stay in the hospital that didn't really do much to alleviate his symptoms and in
00:28:23
no time he was out again and left to his own devices now later that spring one of his former
00:28:28
girlfriends actually introduced him to a woman named Patricia better known as Paddy Booher like Hayward she had a
00:28:36
pretty difficult life in her case though it was for very different reasons she grew up in olena Ohio and she spent a
00:28:44
lot of her early years surrounded by family but she did not come from the best family oh no one of her family
00:28:50
members was sexually abusing her until the abuse was discovered and they went to prison for it oh God but at school
00:28:58
and in the community she was very well liked she did struggle with cognitive impairments and at school she was
00:29:05
identified as a student with special needs so she had people at school and in the community that looked out for her a
00:29:11
little bit more yeah but because of her what she felt like were impairment she was self-conscious and kind of shy
00:29:17
around other people now as she got older she became a lot more scared of men in particular I think because I can imagine
00:29:25
why had gone through yeah her Diaries from the mid to late 90s suggests that she'd gone through a lot of traumatic
00:29:33
events that caused her to form these negative associations with men and intimacy and all that kind of stuff yeah
00:29:42
now those negative experiences were probably triggered again in 1994 when her father Vernon was arrested for
00:29:49
sexually abusing two girls oh God that lived nearby he was a terrible terrible man he
00:29:57
literally had bad to the bone tattooed on his forehead and when he got arrested it was almost like he was proud to admit
00:30:04
what he had done oh that's [ __ ] disgusting [ __ ] horrible throw him in a dank cave and it's unclear whether or
00:30:12
not he had sexually abused Patty as well but either way his behavior had to have
00:30:17
had her had to have made her fears and her trauma even worse um when he was evaluated for a sex
00:30:24
offender treatment program this is how much of a monster he was he failed to meet the criteria quote because he did
00:30:31
not have the mental capacity to meaningfully engage in it what like they couldn't he they were like he cannot be
00:30:37
helped like he needs to be in prison wow he cannot be reformed wow that's how [ __ ] up this is that's horrifying now
00:30:45
at the same time so Patty had all these diary entries where there was a clear clear signs that she was like very
00:30:53
afraid of men and nervous about intimacy and stuff like that yeah but at the same
00:30:58
time there were other ones where she was longing for affection and attention from
00:31:02
a partner like of course because she probably just wanted it to feel like like I feel right yeah like exactly feel
00:31:08
right you know she was like I want this but I but not like this yeah and this is
00:31:13
all she's ever really known as people taking advantage of her um but unfortunately and I mean most
00:31:19
likely because of the trauma that she'd experienced she kind of struggled when it came to distinguishing positive
00:31:25
attention from negatives yeah and she had a tendency to this had a tendency to put her in the company of abusive or
00:31:33
manipulative men that's sad it is people took advantage of that of course absolutely it's [ __ ] up yeah her Aunt
00:31:39
Betty would later say she was never a very good judge of character when it came to boyfriends it's like I just wish
00:31:45
that she had more people to help her out you know more people for backup being like exactly I don't know about that one
00:31:52
yeah but by December 1999 Patty had been dating uh Hayward for a few months and she was feeling very optimistic about
00:32:00
their future she wrote in one diary entry there was a man in my life that I love with all my heart and soul
00:32:06
but then she goes on in other entries to say things about them hadn't been going
00:32:11
so well lately around this December 1999 period and she was wondering at this point if it was time for them to split
00:32:18
up oh geez but she almost always she almost seemed like empowered in later entries when she wanted to get away from
00:32:26
Hayward it was like she wanted more for herself and she was it almost seemed like she was realizing that she could
00:32:31
get more for her convincing herself that she was worth it yeah she said I can't go on depressed anymore I feel like I
00:32:37
have received a wonderful blessing I'm in touch with myself now oh so it seemed like she was kind of getting there yeah
00:32:43
now by the winter she was still unsure about her relationship with Hayward on one hand she was very determined to
00:32:51
build a positive future for herself that didn't involve volatile or abusive men or people taking advantage of her yeah
00:32:58
but then on the other hand she still wanted a partner she still wanted somebody to love her and she also really
00:33:04
wanted to start a family what which is awful and the latter feeling I think definitely explains why she was hesitant
00:33:11
to break things off with Hayward yeah but still the fact that the relationship was having struggles was clear
00:33:18
especially to her family one of her cousins Rebecca later pointed out usually when she had a boyfriend she
00:33:23
would bring him over here she never brought him over here talking about Hayward yeah in the six months that
00:33:29
Patty and Hayward Bissell dated multiple multiple of her friends and acquaintances warned her that he did
00:33:36
have a history of erotic threatening and violent behavior and they were like we're worried about you yeah but she was
00:33:42
either unable to or didn't want to see these issues yeah she was very committed to making things
00:33:48
work and by January 2000 she was even more determined to make things work because she had achieved her dream of
00:33:55
starting a family she was pregnant now on January 22nd she called a ton of her friends to let them know that she
00:34:03
was pregnant that she and Hayward were expecting they were more than likely confused and very concerned about this
00:34:09
because things weren't going well at this point Patty had actually told him told her friends on numerous occasions
00:34:15
right before this that she was planning on breaking things off yeah he was controlling he was critical he
00:34:22
was abusive to her at times and she was usually afraid of him oh that's awesome so her friends were really worried but
00:34:29
every time she tried to break things off he would do something say something that
00:34:33
convinced her to stay yep and now there was another person involved in all of this so she wanted to make this yeah
00:34:40
now this is where the story kind of gets a little bit confusing it's kind of unclear what happened here because they
00:34:48
go on a road trip so what we can assume is that Hayward must have wanted to tell
00:34:53
his parents the news in person and he told him that he and his girlfriend Patty were going to take a trip down to
00:34:58
Florida to see them they actually hadn't seen Hayward in like five years at this point oh wow and
00:35:05
they didn't know why he was coming to see them they just all of a sudden heard that he was coming and they were excited
00:35:10
to see him okay um Hayward Lee Excuse Me Howard the father later told the Sandusky Register
00:35:16
we expected him to visit but he never showed hmm so later while he was being held at
00:35:22
the county jail Hayward would tell investigators that Patty didn't know where they were going she just knew they
00:35:27
were going for a drive oh geez so she wasn't prepared remember they're in Ohio and they're driving to Florida she
00:35:33
wasn't prepared for this and she's pregnant so they left Ohio on the afternoon of
00:35:38
January 22nd and that day they made it as far as Chattanooga Tennessee and that night they stopped uh for the night at a
00:35:45
motel but they didn't have any money to pay for a room so they slept in their car in the parking lot okay now the next
00:35:52
morning they woke up to some pretty gnarly weather there was an ice storm the night before that had passed through
00:35:58
so everything was covered in a thin sheet of ice which was going to make the drive more dangerous to finish and
00:36:04
because of that Hayward was very on edge yeah because he was like irritated about
00:36:09
the weather conditions and to make things worse he was already irritated before this with Patty he was mad
00:36:16
because she hadn't brought any money along for the trip I'm sorry dude what the [ __ ] are you doing and also you
00:36:23
didn't tell her that you were feeling lucky where you were going you thought you were going on a drive you probably
00:36:27
thought you were going to get [ __ ] ice cream or something like what the hell she was not prepared for this no of
00:36:32
course not but I think he must have been in a mental state where that was yeah Computing like this this was all just a
00:36:39
disaster truly a traumatic disaster but that again she didn't even know they were going to be gone overnight yeah so
00:36:45
he's mad that she doesn't have money he's mad about the weather conditions and he just starts driving kind of
00:36:51
aimlessly he was looking for a Western Union so that he could ask his parents to send money so that they could finish
00:36:57
their Drive now eventually they reached Somerville Georgia um It's a Small Town not too far from
00:37:03
the Alabama border and it was there that they stopped for coffee at a Burger King
00:37:07
around 7 30 in the morning and when Hayward pulled up to the drive-through window he asked the lady
00:37:12
at the register whether there was a flea market in town where he could buy quote
00:37:17
weapons guns knives and stuff oh and she told him that there was a flea market but that they didn't sell weapons at the
00:37:24
market and she said you could probably kind of find something of that sort at the local pawn shop like one of the pawn
00:37:30
shops what a strange interaction yeah I can't imagine at 7 30 in the morning being asked that question I can't
00:37:36
imagine being asked that question really ever no and especially not at a Burger King no definitely not [ __ ] love
00:37:42
Burger King but he told her uh a pawn shop would take too long to deal with so she was like okay I would try maybe one
00:37:49
of the markets just over the Border yeah I don't know what to tell you guys exactly she's like I'm just here to give
00:37:54
you coffee so she was like yeah like cross the border in Alabama find one of the markets here's some kind of rough
00:38:00
directions now after that Hayward drove around for a while until he spotted a woman who was
00:38:06
driving a green Nissan Maxima and for some reason he started following her as she drove and then she pulled into her
00:38:14
driveway at her house and he pulled in closely behind her and just sat there with the car idling in the driveway so
00:38:21
the woman kind of called out to them and was like Hey like do you need help like
00:38:25
what's going on but he just sat in the car just staring at her not saying anything and she was like what do you
00:38:33
guys want and finally Hayward said that they were lost but just as he was about to say something else the woman's cat
00:38:40
tried to get out of her house so she reached down to grab the cat and she just went back inside and like locked
00:38:45
the door didn't come back out yeah I think she was and that's why she was like that I I almost think she was like
00:38:51
okay I think this happened for a reason let me go inside yeah let me go inside the door yeah like something between us
00:38:57
here something about this interaction didn't feel right it wouldn't feel right to me wouldn't feel right to me so
00:39:02
Hayward and Patty sat in the stranger's driveway for a couple more minutes and then Hayward just randomly pulled back
00:39:08
out and started heading back the same way that they had come so now they're backtracking he never said why he
00:39:15
followed this woman or what his plan was but I guess it's possible that he just needed directions I also think it's
00:39:21
possible that he was going to hurt her this is just scary and always yeah I don't like it I thought you were
00:39:28
saying it's scary and always and it's always like in all ways it's scary it's [ __ ] terrifying so the woman at the
00:39:36
Burger King like I said she kind of just gave him General directions to find the
00:39:40
market but now at this point he's probably forgotten what she even said he has no idea where he's going and he's
00:39:46
only getting more and more Angry exactly So eventually they made their way back to Somerville Georgia
00:39:53
where Hayward stopped the car in the middle of an intersection and just sat there again with the engine idling so
00:40:00
two women who happened to be out for a walk went up to the car and said like oh like do you need any help like you're
00:40:06
traveling at an intersection yeah exactly and he said no I don't need any help I'm letting the transmission cool
00:40:12
down in the middle of an intersection and they were like okey dokey we're gonna go about our way yeah but later
00:40:17
those women would tell investigators that during this exchange Patty looked very upset oh they said that she was
00:40:23
huddled up in the passenger seat and she looked like she'd been crying oh is that
00:40:26
breaks my heart it breaks my heart the story I told you is gut wrenching multiple other people that same day
00:40:33
would have would report having strange interactions would hit with Hayward that afternoon and it was especially while he
00:40:39
was driving around the Somerville area he was just stopping at various points to get coffee and asking bizarre
00:40:45
questions or doing bizarre things stopping to use the bathroom and doing the same thing
00:40:50
and then around 3 pm he became very suspicious of Patty and he demanded to know he said to her are you double 07 or
00:40:58
the devil oh no yeah this is a huge break in reality it's a very very big break in reality and by that point it
00:41:07
was clear he had come to believe that Patty was either a double agent this is a quote quote a double agent or a black
00:41:13
witch like meaning dabbling in like the Black Arts yeah and at this point he was
00:41:18
determined to quote unquote get rid of her oh no so shortly after accusing her of being a witch he claimed that he
00:41:25
asked Patty if she knew where they were and she answered telling him that they were in Georgia and at that point he
00:41:32
absolutely lost it on her he went full break from reality it's going to get really intense here if
00:41:38
you want to tap out of this I understand here we go at that point all of the sudden he just reached into the back
00:41:45
seat grabbed a knife from the floor and cut Patty's throat oh just that abruptly
00:41:51
out of my God absolutely nowhere and he would later tell his cellmate I was just
00:41:56
following orders I was her supervisor she was lying so I terminated her oh boy like he did not have any understanding
00:42:04
it's horrible but the murder set Hayward Bissell off on what he described to his cellmate as
00:42:11
a rampage like we're not even done yet the autopsy findings would later note that Paddy's lower right leg was severed
00:42:18
at the knee her left hand was severed at the wrist oh my God and quote portions of her left lung liver and stomach were
00:42:26
removed removed removed the cause of death was the sharp force injury to her neck meaning the first
00:42:33
attack is what killed her and everything else happened after she'd been killed oh
00:42:38
so she didn't have to experience experience that luckily but her body did now the autopsy also noted more than 30
00:42:47
stab wounds to her her eyes her eyes the bridge of her nose and several sharp force injuries to her chest he he was
00:42:56
gone at this point like on another level that's wow and later when the crime scene technicians processed this vehicle
00:43:03
they found blood on nearly every surface of the interior of that and there were even spots on the exterior of the car
00:43:10
now they think their murder most likely took place in the parking lot of um the Discount Food Mart Food Mart excuse me
00:43:18
in Fort Payne Alabama which is a small town that is just across the border from Georgia
00:43:23
that afternoon two men were leaving the store parking lot and they saw Hayward outside of the car with his doors open
00:43:30
and they said he stared at them menacingly as he as they drove past and just as they were by the side of
00:43:37
bissell's car he grabbed Patty's head up by the hair held it up and they said as
00:43:44
though he were proud to display what he had done what the [ __ ] yeah are you kidding me no
00:43:54
oh just like this this sounds like a horror movie I was gonna say this literally sounds like a horrible this is
00:44:01
awful it's just so sad now obviously they were shocked and terrified and sped the [ __ ] out of there yeah so obviously
00:44:09
Paddy's murder was completely senseless insanely brutal and both of those factors suggest that Hayward Bissell had
00:44:17
become dangerously paranoid at this yeah like like we've said this whole time it
00:44:22
reached a Breaking Point on this day now even what he did in the aftermath shows
00:44:27
that he was not operating under a sane mind he believed that he needed to report what he had done to Patty to his
00:44:34
supervisors so he strapped Patty back into the passenger seat and left that Food Mart parking lot and headed in the
00:44:43
direction of Georgia he drove about 12 miles until he got to the small town of Mentone Alabama and
00:44:50
there he pulled into a stranger's driveway and just got out of the car oh God now it was January 23rd it was one
00:44:56
day after he had left and James and Sue Pumphrey were at their home in Benton uh
00:45:02
multiple people in their neighborhood actually that day had lost power and water from the ice storms that I had
00:45:07
talked about they lost power actually the night before so James and Sue had spent their afternoon cleaning
00:45:13
collecting and distributing plastic jugs of water to their to their neighbors that afternoon and they got all the
00:45:20
water from a nearby natural spring like just went out and did that for their community
00:45:25
so in Hayward a total stranger to them pulled into the driveway they're too dark dogs started losing it and James
00:45:32
looked out the window to see what was going on and he said that's when he saw this large man coming up the driveway
00:45:38
toward the house now he would have never opened the door if he actually had a very clear view of
00:45:44
Hayward who was completely blood soaked but he didn't see that and again he also
00:45:50
especially wouldn't have opened the door to somebody who had rammed open the gate
00:45:54
at the end of the driveway oh is that what he did that's what he did but damn from where he was standing James didn't
00:45:59
see either of those things so being the kind and helpful person he was he stepped out onto the porch to offer this
00:46:05
stranger help just thinking like oh maybe this is someone in my neighborhood yeah maybe they lost power and I just
00:46:10
don't know maybe they heard we're handing out water and they need some you know so the first thing that struck
00:46:15
James and his wife Sue as unusual was how aggravated the dogs were by this man's presence there were two chocolate
00:46:22
labs and they always liked people they never showed aggression to strangers Labs will always tell you they will
00:46:29
always they will always tell you if it's a bad person and they sure did James was
00:46:34
shocked when Hayward got close and one of the labs actually snapped at him oh see they don't [ __ ] around like the dogs
00:46:40
had never done that before and he was like this makes me nervous that's why I love my little girls because they will
00:46:46
they will always tell you who's a bad person exactly I love them so much but from what James could see from the porch
00:46:52
it just looked like or it looked like Hayward had struck back hard at the dog and sent her running back in the
00:46:58
direction of the house so he spun around to see what had happened and called out
00:47:03
to Hayward did my dog bite you like he was like what the hell like what the hell happened
00:47:07
when he turned back around Hayward was standing right in front of him and just punched him in the stomach oh my God
00:47:15
just out of nowhere he later James later told reporters because just know he survives this attack
00:47:22
he said his hands were so big I didn't even see the night he stabbed so he had stabbed him [ __ ] everything happened so
00:47:31
fast he didn't even realize that he'd been stabbed until he looked down and saw that blood was pouring out of his
00:47:36
stomach so he backed up toward the front door and Hayward continued walking towards him but just then the wife Sue
00:47:44
called out and it actually distracted Hayward for a second so he James screams to his wife to stay where she is oh my
00:47:52
God but just as that he was doing that the dogs ran out to the porch and they started attacking Hayward of course his
00:48:00
person I do want to give you a trigger warning for animal abuse so James and Sue they were able to close
00:48:07
their door and they were able to protect themselves but now Hayward was left outside with their two dogs oh no
00:48:14
while he fought off the dogs James managed to get a rifle and actually fired a warning shot before aiming the
00:48:21
gun at Hayward so he gave him a warning but now Hayward had opened up the front door and was standing in front of the
00:48:27
couple at this point so James later said I fired once then I pointed it at him and it jammed oh my God because I was
00:48:34
like honestly I'm so glad he's armed right now he said you come any closer and I'll kill you and then he said that
00:48:41
Hayward started hollering don't shoot me and ran off okay you just stabbed him you're just right Paul you broke through
00:48:48
his you drove your car through his front gate you stabbed him you hurt one of his
00:48:54
dogs you started fighting his dogs and now you're standing in his living room and he has no [ __ ] idea who you are
00:48:59
but once Hayward left the couple was able to survey the damage of what had gone on James had a large knife wound to
00:49:07
his stomach and was still bleeding heavily and their dog's Reese and Coco had been killed he wouldn't kill these
00:49:13
two dogs James actually had to be hospitalized twice due to this attack and he ended up
00:49:19
being out of work for months afterwards and on top of that they were incredibly traumatized I can't even imagine this
00:49:27
just happened randomly out of the blue Sue later said I'll never forget his face and I'll never forget his eyes
00:49:33
that's what caught my attention with everything going on so quickly his eyes were just unreal it was like he didn't
00:49:40
have a soul oh my God that's so terrifying but they credit their survival entirely I was her recent coach
00:49:46
I was literally just gonna say what an awful end to this but it would have been much worse if those dogs
00:49:54
weren't there absolutely those dogs like protect their hell out of them like protected them they stopped him briefly
00:50:00
like yeah it's insane I just I wish that they had I know I was killed I wish they'd survived but Sue said if it
00:50:08
weren't for our dogs we wouldn't be here they saved Our Lives they were our Angels that's gonna make me cry I know I
00:50:14
hated that I had to include that especially when you have two Labs oh but Hayward Bissell left the pumphrey's
00:50:20
driveway and headed out to Alabama Highway 117 heading towards Georgia so he is in this state of mind still he has
00:50:28
killed his girlfriend who is still he's still in the car he has killed two dogs attacked a man in his back out on the
00:50:36
road so it was late afternoon when he drove up behind Rhea and Donald perch they were a couple driving through
00:50:42
Menton on their way home Raya perch barely even noticed the Lincoln Town Car that was riding their bumper until she
00:50:50
felt their car get bumped from behind oh Jesus so she figured the other driver must have just hit a patch of black ice
00:50:55
because remember ice storm yeah and she figured oh it was just an accident so she pulled off to the side of the road
00:51:01
and started getting out of the car when her husband stopped her and said he would get out to exchange information
00:51:07
with the other driver so she rummaged through the glove compartment as Donald walked around to
00:51:13
the driver's side window and then inside of the car she felt another jolt and heard quote a sickening crunch as Dawn
00:51:21
began to shout when she looked up she saw her husband holding on to the hood of the Lincoln
00:51:28
that had bumped them and the driver was speeding off oh my God it turned out that the bumper of hayward's car had
00:51:36
struck Donald in the legs which made it so that he couldn't fall beneath the car
00:51:41
luckily luckily he was able to grab the hood and pull himself up onto it so he's
00:51:47
literally holding on to this man's car he said I was two feet from his face yelling stop stop what are you doing why
00:51:54
are you doing this all while he drove me about 200 feet down the road what the [ __ ] he is holding on to this man's car
00:52:02
for dear life he was just driving with his wife a minute ago just oh my God normal day so in response to Donald's
00:52:10
yelling apparently this is what Donald said Hayward only stared at him and gave him an obscene hand gesture
00:52:17
what the [ __ ] like he is not here right Beyond then he jerked the steering wheel
00:52:24
which sent Donald flying off the hood of the car to land in a ditch months later
00:52:30
he recounted Donald recounted the story for a local paper and told them at first
00:52:35
I thought he was just mad but when I looked into his eyes I saw that he was a Madman wow now wildly Donald never even
00:52:43
noticed Paddy's mutilated body in the passenger seat because he probably I mean because hanging on to the hood of
00:52:49
the car but he told repeat reporter excuse me all I saw was his eyes I never saw the cut up girl next to him because
00:52:55
he was probably focused directly on the driver just being like what the [ __ ] and
00:52:59
holding on yeah just trying to hold on to the car so Rhea ran to her husband who was now lying in the ditch with a
00:53:05
broken leg two broken wrists and a shattered knee but he waved her off he was like you need to get off the highway
00:53:12
and flag or you need to go down the highway and flag somebody down for help oh my God God so she's running down
00:53:18
Highway 117 and luckily she locates a man named Walter pollen who was working uh on a on his field on his tractor that
00:53:27
day he called Lookout Mountain Fire and Rescue and they then returned to the ditch where Donald was laying and in the
00:53:34
meantime another couple James McRae and his wife were passing Rhea and Donald's car and they saw Donald so they pull
00:53:41
over to stop and help now James McRae sees the state that Donald is in and he's like okay like you need to call
00:53:48
9-1-1 to his wife now that was like the one of many calls that the now DeKalb County 911 dispatchers were getting
00:53:56
about this hit and run now like their phones are ringing off the hook so as Raya Walter Poland and the mcrae's
00:54:03
gathered around Donald waiting for the ambulance to arrive Reyes notices the Lincoln Town Car come back into view
00:54:10
Hayward bissell's car oh my God it was hurling toward them like speeding toward them and before anybody knew what was
00:54:17
happening Hayward rammed his car into Walter pullen's tractor oh my God and then slammed the car in reverse and
00:54:26
aimed it instead at the group what that now had jumped into the ditch altogether to protect Dawn and to get
00:54:36
away from the car oh my God and it's all these like strangers just trying to protect this guy like people working
00:54:40
together exactly Jesus so he paused for like several what they said were very long seconds yeah I can imagine and then
00:54:47
put the car in drive and started speeding toward them these five strangers just laying in a ditch
00:54:52
together God they were all sure that's real that's the thing it sounds like a horrible horrible movie but they were
00:54:59
like okay we're gonna die like in that one yeah but he swerved at the last minute and took off so he was doing that
00:55:07
just the terrorize he's terrorizing them exactly so now police and emergency responders
00:55:13
are making their way to this accident at the scene of uh the accident scene on the hot side Jesus of Highway 117. and
00:55:21
mentone's police chief Ken Busby he was at a nearby gas station filling up his car for the day he was actually off duty
00:55:29
and he this was his day off but he went out to survey the damage from the ice storm and wanted to see what he could
00:55:36
help to do around town so it's just a bunch of helpful people around here I know the community so while he was
00:55:43
paying for his gas he heard the bolo alert about the silver Lincoln Town Car that had fled the scene of a hit and run
00:55:49
and was now making its way towards Georgia and he's like uh okay I think I should get to it so he hops in his car
00:55:56
thinking that he might be able to help now at the scene and he heads out on the road in the direction of 117. now he
00:56:03
only made it about a quarter of a mile down the road when he spotted the Lincoln Town Car damn Hayward Bissell
00:56:09
barreling down the road now in his Direction so Hayward speeds pass past Bugsby and
00:56:16
Bugsby managed to spot his license plate number and called it into the dispatch so before he knew it Hayward found
00:56:24
himself at a Crossroads in the road at this point now he is blocked in all directions by patrol cars because they
00:56:31
come running out and their drivers are all standing around him with their guns drawn and aimed at him like this is a
00:56:37
standoff so he revs the engine as this is happening and tries to drive the car directly in front of them but he only
00:56:46
went a few feet and one of the officers was shouting don't do it don't do it and
00:56:51
he revved the engine again but then stopped the car so officers approached the vehicle and
00:56:57
they yank the driver's door open they were fully intending to yank him from behind the from behind the wheel but
00:57:04
they struggled to get him he's a very big guy yeah um now while several officers are
00:57:10
struggling to subdue this guy they're realizing he's covered in blood yeah and other people are like the other officers
00:57:16
are realizing that there's a ton of damage to this vehicle and so one of them went inside to put the gear shift
00:57:22
into park and that's when he saw the bloody knife for the first time and realized that there was another person
00:57:28
in this car God and this person this officer said it actually took a few seconds for him to fully process what he
00:57:35
was looking at until his brain started to register that it was Patty's brutalized body in human remains he said
00:57:43
I thought it was a mannequin at first it was such an unreal thing to see you know
00:57:47
it's it's so wild that everybody always says that I thought it was a mannequin I
00:57:51
thought it was a doll and it's like so and I I'm always like it's never a mannequin it's never adult but I'm like
00:57:57
your first thought would never be that's that's a real person like that's a real
00:58:01
thing you know what I mean like especially my first instinct is always like it's never it's not a mannequin
00:58:06
ever like whoever is but I'm like I would think the same thing why would I ever think that that's a brutalized
00:58:11
human body excuse me I was taking a sip of water especially in the state that Patty was
00:58:17
in exactly she had literally been decapitated and he's holding up her head at home oh my God like that's awful it's
00:58:23
insane it's this story is so scary so once he was removed from the car Hayward was
00:58:30
actually mostly compliant with the officers wow um they began to search him and he was
00:58:35
letting them and sheriff's deputy Lamar hackworth later said his arms were totally covered with blood as well as
00:58:41
his shirt and pants and this officer also noted that Hayward seemed to be covering his shirt pocket like he was
00:58:47
hiding something in there so the officer reached for the pocket to check what he
00:58:52
was hiding this is gruesome and one of the other officers told him to leave it and let them finish searching him at the
00:58:59
station but if Lamar hackworth had searched bissell's pocket at that point what he would have discovered was a
00:59:07
large portion of Paddy's esophagus what her esophagus part of it was in his shirt pocket
00:59:17
I don't know what I thought was in there but that is not on the list no what the [ __ ] this is I think the most
00:59:26
brutal case yeah that I've ever heard yeah like at least in terms of yeah this is doing this one was really difficult
00:59:35
yeah this is horrifying so yeah as the police began the booking process investigators started putting together
00:59:42
the pieces of what they discovered and realized this wasn't just a hit and run but that they were actually now dealing
00:59:48
with three separate crimes and this one person was behind all of them so the County district attorney Mike
00:59:54
Odell told reporters that who had assembled for a press brief at this point quote the whole set of
00:59:59
circumstances is bizarre we're having a difficult time sorting it out we're not sure where the homicide occurred like
01:00:04
they were like we actually have no effect happened what is going on WOW so once they determined that Paddy's murder
01:00:11
had occurred in Georgia the DeKalb County investigators called in the Alabama secret service agent wow to
01:00:18
interview Hayward now unfortunately while he may have been relatively docile during the arrest he
01:00:25
became very very agitated when they put him in a cell and the Agents from Alabama were doing their best to get
01:00:31
information out of him regarding the murder but really all they could get out of him was that he was on a mission
01:00:37
that's what he kept telling them and to make matters worse his unmanageable Behavior was becoming kind
01:00:43
of a safety concern yeah since his arrest he was destructive he was banging his head on the cell on the concrete
01:00:50
wall he actually broke the shower head off the wall in his cell and that caused water to spray everywhere he also tried
01:00:57
to flush his pants down the toilet at one point so the toilet started overflowing so they were just dealing
01:01:03
with like everything that you could possibly imagine all at once now the next day hayward's bond hearing
01:01:12
was held and it had to be held in the jail after he was determined to be too dangerous to transport like it should
01:01:18
have took place somewhere else but they couldn't they couldn't move him they said for his safety and the safety of
01:01:23
others we could not take him into court but Bond was luckily refused by the judge I think they saw what they were
01:01:30
dealing with yeah and Hayward was luckily finally going to be transferred to a secure mental health facility this
01:01:37
time it wasn't voluntary or involuntary like you can't sign yourself out and you're not coming out but the sheriff's
01:01:45
office would have to wait for a bed to become available there it is we were just talking about like the fact that
01:01:51
they had to wait for a bed to be available for this guy like come on so they were again trying to piece
01:01:58
together what had happened to cause Paddy's death and the other attempted murders of the pumphreys and Donald
01:02:04
perch but Hayward was not giving them any information he was talking in circles he was telling them different
01:02:10
conspiracy theories that he had he told them how Patty was a double agent all this kind of stuff
01:02:17
so he was um given a public defender and his public defender Hoyt ba I believe is how
01:02:23
you say the name told the Press he's definitely paranoid and definitely hearing voices which was true remember
01:02:29
he's diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but by the evening of Wednesday the 26th now it had been three
01:02:36
days since his arrest he had mostly calmed down he was still slightly agitated and a few days later he was
01:02:42
able to be transferred to the Bryce Hospital in Tuscaloosa where he would say he would stay until he was deemed
01:02:49
stable enough to go through the trial yeah now in April a grand jury indicted him for the attempted robbery and the
01:02:56
attempted murder of James Pumphrey and the attempted murder of Donald perch and at that point he pleaded Not Guilty by
01:03:03
reason of mental disease or defect and afterwards he returned to the hospital and there he would await word of a grand
01:03:11
jury hearing for Paddy's murder okay but meanwhile the investigators traced his movements from Alabama back to Georgia
01:03:18
and based on their on Paddy's DNA profile they connected Patty to the small pool of blood in the Discount Food
01:03:25
Mart parking lot wow so that's how they officially found their murder scene wow now after months staying out Bryce
01:03:33
Hospital Hayward was deemed competent enough to leave the hospital and he was sent to a jail cell in Fort Payne
01:03:39
Alabama that June wow I don't know what had to happen there maybe he was put on proper medication at that point maybe
01:03:46
um because remember he had been taking medication off and on yeah but in the time since his arrest he did become much
01:03:52
more manageable and way less destructive but he was still largely uncooperative uh this is crazy though by the time he
01:04:00
returned to his jail cell he had lost over 170 pounds wow and he refused to leave his cell
01:04:07
he spent nearly two years bouncing back and forth between hospitals and county jails while doctors were trying to
01:04:14
stabilize him and while investigators and prosecutors were trying to figure out how to go forward in this case but
01:04:21
finally it took two years in February 2002 two years after Paddy's murder Hayward Bissell did go before a judge in
01:04:28
Somerville Georgia where he pled guilty but mentally ill to the murder now Superior Court Judge Christina cook
01:04:36
Connelly she accepted the plea and she sentenced Hayward Bissell to life in prison now The Plea of guilty but
01:04:43
mentally ill meant that he would spend the rest of his life in a prison suitable for his psychiatric care okay
01:04:48
which thank goodness like that he could finally get some medication so that nobody else has to but through something
01:04:56
like this the rest of his life but A-Okay with me need to be in jail yeah 100 percent
01:05:01
and the Georgia Department of Corrections is actually required to monitor his mental health and behavior
01:05:07
while also managing his uh medication wow so I have to say it seems like this court system did everything that they
01:05:14
needed it seems like it worked out in this situation like the the sentencing and Punishment exactly so hopefully with
01:05:22
them managing his meds and treatment he's in a better head space and is not terrorizing those around him but yeah
01:05:28
it's really tragic that it took what it did for him to get this kind of help it's horrifying and it's absolutely
01:05:36
tragic that so many people's lives were affected by this when he could have gotten help earlier yeah
01:05:42
you know like like some of these people were just like like the the couple in James and Sue just in their house just
01:05:48
going about their day yeah helping people like everybody obviously but it's like he just he like sought out people
01:05:54
to destroy their lives he did um but like I said I I got a lot of sources for you guys so if you or
01:06:00
anybody you know is struggling mentally or is in a relationship experiencing domestic violence we're gonna put all
01:06:07
these sources in the show notes but I'll read them out for you now we have um the
01:06:11
schizophrenia and psychosis action Alliance their website is sczaction.org and they have they have a
01:06:19
bunch of like education materials and support groups which is awesome and then we have the National Alliance on Mental
01:06:26
Illness which is also known as Nami or Nami uh it's nami.org and they have General resources
01:06:32
there for mental health and then we have the domestic violence U.S hotline number
01:06:37
that's 1-800-799-72 three three we also have The Battered Women's Justice project
01:06:46
um we actually donated to them and we've met with them a few times and they are like an amazing resource their website
01:06:52
is bwjp.org and they offer free legal help if you're going yeah that's amazing any
01:06:59
kind of domestic violence situation and finally we have the center for domestic peace their website is Center for
01:07:05
domesticpeace.org and they offer support groups amazing so again I'm going to put all of
01:07:10
those in the show notes for anybody struggling anybody that knows anybody struggling and just like take care of
01:07:16
each other because this one made me really sad this is a really sad story it is all around and the thing is like we
01:07:22
were saying in the beginning like you want to think that we treat mental health differently now but but it's
01:07:27
still tough still really tough yeah so long way to go yeah a long long way to go so guys um I love you we hope you
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keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird yeah just not so weird
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bye [Music]