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hey weirdos I'm Ash I'm Caleb [Music] and this is morbid it's a special edition of morbid with Caleb
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I would also like to acknowledge the fact that pepper is here you might hear him every so often if you're so lucky
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he's a very he's a very uh Dapper Dachshund the most dapper he is he's a beautiful man he has a
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sweater he has a diaper but that doesn't matter to the audio listeners my bad I mean it does matter they need to know
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like set the scene Caleb has a Christmas sweater on I just have a lavender sweatshirt we're all pretty pretty
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dashing today I almost wore a Santa hat you should have I can I mean I like the turkey 100 hot I
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can't lie shout out turkey 100. listen to scream um but yeah so Caleb's joining me today
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because Elena is busy at some kind of award show getting awards for her book and stuff I know things
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um but yeah Caleb was nice enough to join me while Elena is in New York being Fancy with John and actually getting
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some husband wife time so happy for her what a you know a book writing gal just a real gem just writing
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books kicking ass taking names I love that girl period period all right so I invited Caleb on to tell him the story
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of Dan and Nancy Brophy and I actually picked this case because I was watching um this is embarrassing but I was
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watching Married at First Sight on Lifetime have you ever seen that I have yeah yeah I'm like wildly addicted to it
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um but I was watching that I don't watch a lot of Lifetime anymore that's like the only thing that I will watch on
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there but when I was younger I used to watch Lifetime movies all the time so when I see the commercials now I'm like
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damn that shit's wild and I saw a commercial for this lifetime story which is the Nancy Brophy story and I was like
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what the hell is happening there yeah the last name Brophy is crazy uh this woman is also completely delusional
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um yeah yeah thought she was gonna get away with it with his wild sorry to um alert you up
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front she did it I mean yeah she she definitely did it she definitely wrote about it
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um the fact that she wrote about it so she wrote about it before it even happened we're gonna get into all of
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that but first I gotta tell you about Nancy when she was born so okay tell me about when she was born
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I'll tell you Nancy cramped and Brophy she was born Nancy Lee Crampton on June 16 1950 which makes her not only a
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Gemini but the middle child of her parents so it was all from the start yeah yeah that's a little there's a few
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problems there yeah Gemini middle child out here wild in so both her parents were lawyers and they decided that they
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wanted to raise their family in Wichita Falls Texas which is my favorite place to say
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it is a very fun name Wichita is a are there more wichita's is it just the one in Texas no I feel like there's other
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ones there's more wichita's right I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say there's like many in
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Wichitas I feel like there is I think I've heard of that name often like when you said Texas it kind of threw me off
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because I feel like I've heard of uh Wichita somewhere else I think there might be a Wichita Kansas
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Wichita is gonna stop being a word any second now this is Wichita with Caleb and Ash but anyway after graduating from
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high school in 1968. Nancy she went on to study at the University of Houston and there she majored I don't know why I
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said it like that I was in Texas I guess um she majored in economics and she ended up graduating in 1972. now not
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long after graduating from the University of Houston she got married to her first husband who was a police
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officer and according to her later testimony she was not or he was not allowed to keep his gun in the house she
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wouldn't let him okay which is interesting when we get to later because yeah she claims that she's
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obsessed with guns but weird that she was like no he couldn't leave his gun in the house like I I didn't like that
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from what I saw about this it seems like she kind of flip-flops too she'll be like no I'm not I don't like guns at all
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it's not a thing but she's like well everyone had a gun so like you know we just had to and then she was like oh
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well we shouldn't have yup that's exactly what she does she's she's a flip-flop fish she's definitely a
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flip-flopper she is um so it's unclear really how long their Mass marriage lasted or when it ended
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but by the end of the 1980s she was divorced and she was ready to shake her life up in a real big way and so she
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moved to Portland Oregon in 1990. she just really wanted to put like her old life behind her start over completely so
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she decided to try something new she said on the enroll in culinary school okay yeah I feel like that's a fun thing
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to do so she didn't know that was her thing too interesting yeah it was for like a minute so she enrolled in the
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western Culinary Institute which is now Le Cordon Bleu College of Culinary Arts it's another fun fun set of words caught
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on Blue yeah Le cord on blue blue um but it was there that she ended up meeting Daniel Brophy
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so oh okay he was also born in June but he was born a little bit later in June June 27 1954 which makes him a cancer
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but he was born in Valley City North Dakota and after he graduated high school in 1971 he went to the University
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of Sioux Falls graduated from there in 1976 and then he started his own culinary career shortly after that
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right his passion for food and cooking eventually led him to Portland Oregon where he became I feel like you're gonna
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love this he became a mushroom hunter and gardener oh no I don't love that no no I hate
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mushrooms uh well yeah but I just thought you would love that like lifestyle like he was just like you know
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what I'm gonna go find out about mushrooms I'm against it I don't think they should be harvested I don't think
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they should be made I don't think they should be in existence I don't like smelling them
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you don't like smelling mushrooms I feel like they don't really have much of a smell they smell like fungus because
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they are a fungus they you know they're just dirt I don't like them okay well you might
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not like them and I might I like I go back and forth with mushrooms but Daniel he loved mushrooms and he was good at
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mushrooms like like picking out which ones you could Harvest and eat and which ones you shouldn't anyway this is a very
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interesting thing there are a lot of mushrooms out there there are I've even like in Elena's guard there's like
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several different kinds of mushrooms that is true and I'm like kids don't eat those because I am not an expert on
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shroomies those are weird I could never imagine just walking out and going like all
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right I'm gonna eat this weird looking phallic thing growing out of the ground kids will eat like anything on the
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ground but I mean Elena's kids do not eat the mushrooms on the ground but I feel the need to be like don't touch
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that you know yeah mushrooms just seemed like something I shouldn't eat yeah but but it's good to know which
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ones you can and cannot eat like if you're like stranded somewhere and you're hungry
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I can see that yeah so you know Daniel he he knew all about that and actually he got so good at it that he would
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eventually start leading tours and giving lectures on the Region's mushrooms herbs and other local
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ingredients and once he became a full-blown Chef he honed his craft at restaurants like
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Jake's famous crawfish which is a Portland Landmark that has been in business for more than 125 years
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wow okay it's a lot of crawfish over that time that's a lot of restaurant over that time
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but outside of work Daniel was really committed to his community he not only worked at a soup kitchen every week but
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he would also bring his own ingredients to the soup kitchen to make sure he could cook up something special this
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wasn't like regular soup kitchen food it was Daniel's soup kitchen food and he put a lot of love into his food he did
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it see it really seems like he did and he loved cooking he was super knowledgeable in his field he was also
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just like a really easy going man in general and he just wanted to share his passion and his smarts with other people
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so because all those things were really working for him he decided that he'd like to become a culinary instructor
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so he started at that Western Culinary Institute the one that would later become Le Cordon Bleu and he was in his
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first year as an instructor when he met Miss Nancy okay not a good time not a good time she
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you know I have I all the nancies I've come across I'm sorry all the Nancy's out there but they've been a problem in
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this Nancy just kind of confirms it for me I only have ever really dealt with one Nancy in my life that I can think of
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and she's the only person that I ever requested not to work directly with so so I agree with you so guys I'm sure
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there's a few of you good nancies out there and shout out to you but yeah these nancies I don't know so far it's
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like Karen's there's great carrots but then there's Karen Karen's yeah but then you feel bad for the great Karen's
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because they're like Jesus Christ I want to change my name yeah some of these nancies are just you know they're
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they're making it bad for other nancies needle and Nancy's you know I don't know that's the best I could
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come up with yeah yeah no I got it she's a metal in Nancy because she was immediately taken with Daniel she
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thought he was a fine instructor and a fine man and it started to become very clear to everybody else in the class
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just how much she liked him um but there was a big issue Daniel was married he couldn't be out here with Miss Nancy
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Nance no Nancy's roommate at the time Tanya Medlin she warned Nancy about getting
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too close to Daniel because you know he was married and all and she told her don't be dipping your candle in somebody
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else's wax which I loved that's like a that's a real quote that's a that's a crazy way
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to put it don't dip your candle in somebody else's wax I love it no not not even the that side of it the
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candle side of it why would you why would you dip your candle in somebody else's wax in the first place it's
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already waxed it's already a candle that's the thing you already it's already a marriage it's already
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them two together stop dipping into it that's that's what my good girl Tanya was trying to say
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it's a saying and a half you know but Nancy responded well that's not gonna last which like don't ever be that girl
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like you don't know his wife or anything about her and even if you do like stop battling in people's marriages but
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unfortunately Nancy was correct the marriage would end just a few years later in 1994 and once it did Daniel
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Brophy began dating Nancy um no he kept building his career at the same time as a chef instructor with the
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culinary school and Nancy actually opened up her own catering business uh Chef du jour catering it was a really
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successful catering company in Northwest Portland by the late 1990s things actually were going really well for the
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both of them as a couple because Nancy's catering business had grown really considerably at the time they were
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employing 25 people and they were earning half a milli per year damn okay right and then in 1999 eight
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years after they met Dan and Nancy held what they called a large marriage ceremony and they started calling each
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other husband as well husband and wife but it actually took them until June of 2016 to file the
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legal paperwork okay paperwork because like that's really relatable for me but I was gonna say I
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mean some people just you know I I I'm bad at paperwork I'm bad at getting back to things like that whatever my
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accountant is like it's time to look through your taxes I'm like I don't know what those are
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trust me I'm horrified about that I hate tax season it freaks me out because I'm
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like where did I put that little slip of paper six months ago literally so maybe
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that's what happened with Dan and Nancy here they were like [ __ ] we had that marriage certificate we don't know where
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it is and then they found it and they filed it but you get to it when you get to it
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yeah now just like a lot of people Dan and Nancy hit a little bit of financial trouble when the economy downturned
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after 9 11. Nancy had to lay off at least 10 people from the catering business so to help supplement their
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income Dan kept teaching but he also started Moonlighting as a chef at a retirement home now they also on top of
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that ended up refinancing their house so that they could get money from their equity
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I don't really know how any of that works but things started improving financially over the next couple of
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years Daniel got a better job he got hired actually as lead Chef instructor at the
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Oregon Culinary Institute in 2006 and immediately people freaking loved him there students uh especially really
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loved him and they said he was quote the most active faculty member leading field
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trips organizing student projects and speaking in the community so he's like one of the favorite
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teachers that sounds like a stand-up guy shout out Brody he really does no not long
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brofia not long after he started working at oci the college there he and Nancy moved to Beaverton which I love the name
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of that town it's a small City just outside of Portland and in 2013 Nancy decided to
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dedicate as much time as humanly possible to her passion for writing you guys had no idea Nancy is a writer
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no in the past she had written some small pamphlets in college she made some money as a technical writer but she
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always wanted to pursue her interest in writing fiction and now she kind of had the chance
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since graduating from culinary school in the early 90s she joined a few writing groups and she said that she had quote
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spent years dabbling in literary crafts but she never really thought it would be
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something or could be something that she would take very seriously but she I because I don't know enough
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about all this part is she a successful writer like was she fairly big how um in the grand scheme of things how did
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it go for her I don't really think she didn't make a lot of money doing it she may have been successful in the way that
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she did write several books which is more than I can say um but I don't I don't think they were
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like in in a crazy amount of success yeah because I think we'll get into it later but one of the books she wrote it
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seems like like it has one of those names that seems like it's pretty popular but it also seems like
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it's just she called it that because something like that is already really popular you know what I mean yeah I
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think that's exactly what it was and I think okay she was also writing in a genre that is probably I'm just assuming
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here probably hard to get into because I think there's so many books that in the
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genre that she'd write it already exactly but we'll get there don't jump ahead yeah okay okay okay so she she really
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when social media started like happening and the internet started becoming more mainstream throughout the 2000s and
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early 2010s it made it easier for writers to reach an audience through websites and blogs and self-publishing
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so Nancy decided to give writing an honest try for like the first time ever now we're going to get into some of what
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she wrote writing as Nancy cramped and Brophy she would eventually pen nine romance novels including a five book
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series with titles like the wrong husband the wrong cop and the wrong lover oh my God I've seen this time and
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time again standard lifetime standard Lifetime and these were self-published books and they were sold online they
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were pretty much all within I've never heard of this but it's called The bodice Ripper genre
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what is that I think it's like when you rip off your corset probably or something like that it's the whole genre
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for that isn't that just an action I don't really know man I'm not in that job now but it featured quote unquote
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rugged men strong women and a good story and that was according to her website and then all of the novels had covers
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that quote depicted handsome Heroes and at least one heroine with chiseled bodies and dark quaffed hair
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I don't even know what koifter is I think it just means it's like in place this seems like a very uh
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I don't know it's very time explanation it's very like Nicholas Sparks kind of writing and like kind of genre I feel
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and also it's taking me back to a place of the America's Next Top Model shoot where Fabio joins I don't know if you
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ever watched that I'm not I've just been honestly my brain is getting fried lately because all I've
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been watching is 90 Day Fiance and um since I got into this Rabbit Hole I've realized that there's like 36 like
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offsets of 90 Day Fiance so really it's a whole you could dig yourself into I I don't think it's it's not a hole you can
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dig yourself it's a hole you can't dig yourself out of that's really actually that's exactly what it is that's what I
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should have said it doesn't end like there's so many my grandma you should talk to Cath next time you're here
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because that girl loves 90 day she's like did you watch the I'm like I don't watch it Ma
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she said I didn't know that Ma loves 90 day I mean me and Mom already get along well but once we start getting to the 90
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day I mean it's not gonna stop it's about to go off most of the one that got me into Bravo in the first place she
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doesn't really watch it anymore but 90 day I don't think she'll ever give up on 90 day I I feel her dude I get it well
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it's kind of like how Nancy wasn't going to give up on writing bodice Ripper novels so writing fulfilled her
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personally but like you were kind of asking earlier uh it didn't really do it for the couple financially she wasn't
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making a lot of money doing this and very soon they were struggling again to the point where in 2014 they started
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dipping into Daniel's 401k which like I don't really know a lot about that but I don't think that's
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something you want to dip into if you can help it but yeah that's basically the the
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standard practice Yeah Yeah that's the take so they were dipping into it I think like obviously like good
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intentions they wanted to fix up their house and eventually subdivide the property and sell off the various
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subdivisions and they actually even went as far as to have Nancy's name taken off
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the deed which reduced the amount of income reported by the homeowner who now at that point was just Daniel basically
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I was trying to figure out like what that would save them and I think it just saves them taxes if you're like if your
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income is like less than what you were originally reporting I would think it was just tax time like
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things but I don't really know I'm sure you guys listening will know if you're into taxes and things like that all you
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people that are into taxes out there you just you do your tax things oh you CPA brothers and sisters
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shout out CPAs shout out even though there was a steep decrease in income Nancy she kept focusing on her writing
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she was writing full time at this point but now she was spending money quite frequently on her writing and quote
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unquote research for her novels she would spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on all kinds of things for This
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research like one time when she bought a Victorian era chastity belt for research
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to research what exactly goddess Ripper genre I don't know do you can't just like Google that stuff
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well that's the thing I think maybe she had like a shopping problem or something
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like that or I don't know maybe she just really liked these things and wanted them but then like wrote it off as
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research so her husband wouldn't get mad at her I would just love to be a fly on
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the wall just to see what she was doing with this chastity belt I would not like
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to be a fly on the wall for that look it's not for pleasure it's purely for science just for writing it down and
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doing experiments later of course but in addition to her spending on Research she and Daniel actually started
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investing heavily in life insurance policies and that was starting in 2014. that was a red flag right when people
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are just like gambling on their life insurance yeah definitely you don't need to have like multiple
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multiple multiple life insurance policies I think like one or two will cut it again not something I really know
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a lot about yeah to me it just seems like starting a life insurance policy seems fairly standard to a certain
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extent but then those they used a few keywords that made it sound like they're doing this many different times and just
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kind of throw in life insurance policies around and that seems worrisome that was
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a really good inference you made there because between 2014 and 2017 they had acquired six life insurance policies all
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right for Daniel like not for Nancy uh oh these life insurance preparers how do they even allow that they could be they
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should just be like okay wait that I'm pretty sure why I think it's because they were going like different places so
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the other life insurance brokers I guess is what you call them they didn't realize that they already had five
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others taken out this is crazy it does so they had six life insurance policies between 2014 and 2017 that they took out
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and they had a base payout of four hundred thousand dollars and an additional three hundred and twenty
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thousand dollars in the event that Daniel's death was accidental this is from each of them
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um I think it was like a majority of them okay like at least but I think between all of them that's what would
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have happened so can you just do that like can you just have multiple life insurance policies and just like
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take them all out I don't know enough about life insurance is what I'm realizing right now I would think that
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that would be some kind of fraud if you had multiple but right I don't know I mean like people aren't going around
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with like you know three different car insurances you know what I mean right and I mean you have to get approved for
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all of them also fun fact getting life insurance is really [ __ ] hard and it's really [ __ ] annoying because you
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have to answer like a bunch of questions like if you've ever done drugs are you overweight do you smoke cigarettes you
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must have a physical some lady has to come to your house and you have to pee in a cup and give it to her it's awful
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wow and to do that six different times I'm like you couldn't pay me money and like you would be but you couldn't so by
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September of 2017 sadly they had blown through almost all of Daniel's 401k and as of that month there was only about 35
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000 remaining now obviously thirty five thousand dollars is a lot of money but I
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think when it comes to to a 401k not very much you can't really live off of that for the rest of your life no and
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that's that's exactly it but Nancy had been pushing Daniel to sell the house and the land thinking that that would
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wipe away their debts and kind of give them a fresh start but the problem was after Consulting with a financial
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advisor Nancy was informed that even if they sold the house and the land they would still come out of that deal with
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negative cash flow so basically her spending habits and I mean really inability to generate income
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had put her and her husband deeply in the red financially speaking and not even selling the house would generate
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enough money to get them out of it so basically they're [ __ ] pretty much basically Nancy should have just like
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reopened her catering business yeah or done anything really aside from um the wrong mister and the wrong
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chastity belt it's like at the end of the day if that's not bringing you in enough money to support you and your
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husband and like in addition to his income that's a hobby you're not yeah you know like you you gotta get
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something to supplement this if you're in the red so the morning of June 2nd 2018 we're
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flash forwarding here and fast forwarding um it started out pretty much sorry let
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me catch you off real quick what what timeline were we at before that uh before that we were between 2017 or 2014
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and 2017. oh okay yeah they started having money problems after 9 11 because like the economy went down and stuff
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like that but then they were able to kind of regain but then they kind of started floundering again when Nancy
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stopped The Culinary business and started writing okay okay so 2017 is when things got like really really bad
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financially that's when they were told like even if you sell the house even if you sell the land and subdivide all
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these properties you're still going to end up with some debt and like a good amount of debt so now
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we're in 2018. it's June 2nd 2018. and this morning started off pretty regular for Daniel Brophy like pretty much like
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every other morning had he woke up early he went out back to feed the chickens in
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the backyard he just seems like a very wholesome man like working at a retirement home working at a soup
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kitchen feeding his chickens he takes the dogs for a walk comes back home takes a quick shower and then he heads
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off to work so he got to the Oregon Culinary Institute oci a little after 7 A.M and
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since he was the first one to come in the building he disabled the alarm and headed to Kitchen one which was his
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usual kitchen classroom one another thing too he was pretty much always there every morning he was the first one
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there every morning really early yup he loved getting there early and just like being able to set up the kitchen before
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all the people came now A co-worker arrived about 10 or 15 minutes later they were going to be the
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one that was going to unlock the doors for the students and kind of greet them when they started filing in and then
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they would go to their classroom where Daniel had everything set up so in kitchen one like I just said he
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was setting everything up for the day starting the coffee maker making other arrangements he was at the sink filling
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up pictures with ice water though when somebody snuck into the classroom quietly and shot him one time in the
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back and when he got shot with that one shot the force of the bullet caused his body
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to spin around 180 degrees at which point his killer fired again quote directly sent her Mouse to his chest
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Jesus which sent a second bullet tearing through his torso ultimately piercing his heart
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brutal as [ __ ] and just like out of nowhere this man is just at work setting up for the day you would never expect
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this and at first Carla his for his culinary class yeah right exactly and here's the thing students are
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starting to come in and clearly like nobody really heard this because there wasn't that many people around us like
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right when it happened so he's laying there on the ground as students are filing into the kitchen just after 7 30
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and they are completely shocked to find their instructor lying on his back in front of the industrial sink unconscious
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and bleeding profusely from two gunshot wounds and I did watch a little video about that I think how it happened and
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I'm not sure who I heard speaking they were in core and they were explaining like you know this is the building this
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is the back door that we were all lined up at blah blah I'm not sure if it was one of the students or I I think to my
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knowledge I might have been another one of the teachers like another one of the culinary teachers I think there's only
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like a few because they were doing like weekend classes Saturday and Sunday Type
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Thing um but she said she saw a bunch of students like lined up out there and was
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like that's weird they're usually all in there because he's early he lets them in
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really early but the door was locked none of them came in and then another like um one other worker or something
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something like that came over to the side let all the kids in and then after they're in I think they walked around
00:28:29
for a bit and eventually one of them goes hey call 9-1-1 there's a body over here like found him over there can you
00:28:36
imagine you're just like filing into your classroom they're like oh I gotta take a Saturday class and that's what
00:28:40
you stumble into yeah like the 911 call was pretty crazy too because I mean but I can never listen to 9-1-1 calls it's
00:28:48
not one of those like really really I mean they're all horrific you know but it's not one of those ones that's like
00:28:53
you know it like makes you want to like break down while you're listening to it but it is still pretty [ __ ] up and you
00:29:00
know you're listening to it and they don't really realize that he's dead at first they're like hey he's unconscious
00:29:04
like he's down here I don't think he's BR he's breathing but then after a while they go oh [ __ ] like he's bleeding from
00:29:09
his chest right and then you know it goes on and then they realize yeah he's gone
00:29:15
so sad so yeah like you said one of the students just called 9-1-1 the police and the emergency responders they raced
00:29:21
to the scene but again like you just said by the time they got there it was too late he was dead dead on the rifle
00:29:27
so Portland detectives Anthony Merrill and Darren Posey arrived at OSI excuse me
00:29:33
um around 8 30 in the morning and at that point the school had been placed in lockdown crime scene
00:29:39
technicians had started processing the scene so when the detectives entered the kitchen they found so sad the metal ice
00:29:46
scoop lying on the floor where he had dropped it when he was shot and then nearby they discovered two nine
00:29:52
millimeter shell casings on the floor which meant that whoever had killed Daniel most likely wasn't a professional
00:29:59
killer Merrill told interviewers from Dateline they wanted to get in quick and get out quick
00:30:05
yeah So within two hours of the murder somebody a friend had called Nancy to let her know that the police were
00:30:11
converged on oci so she immediately drives down to the school detectives meet her and they Usher her into a room
00:30:18
that they started kind of using as a command center and they kind of you know go through
00:30:22
their series of questions like what was your husband doing this morning what does he usually do like blah blah
00:30:29
what were you doing and after several minutes they finally gave her the news they told her we believe it's Dan that's
00:30:35
been killed now she barely skipped a b and said to them yeah I got that when everybody gave me the Sad Sack look
00:30:44
like okay we're weird response weird energy weird response now what followed was typical Behavior like what you would
00:30:52
call it she was bewildered she was grief stricken she was crying that is the kind
00:30:57
of reaction that you would expect from somebody but again me and Alina say it all the time like you can't chop like
00:31:03
somebody's guiltiness up to how they react to something right away because not everybody's gonna cry right away
00:31:09
some people are gonna you know freeze yeah everyone has different reactions man yeah Nancy just makes weird comments
00:31:16
and then she cries but anyways they were like okay um like you can go for now and we're
00:31:23
gonna talk to you later today like we'll be in contact because they were still working on the scene
00:31:28
so by the next day the news had made its way around the OSI community and there was a wave of stunned and shocked
00:31:34
responses current and former students were on the internet just sharing their surprise and grief they were posting
00:31:40
comments to social media one said Oregon Culinary Institute lost a top-notch chef
00:31:46
instructor that touched so many lives and another one said Daniel was also one of the smartest most
00:31:53
thoughtful people I've ever met and would take the time with whatever you needed
00:31:57
so sad so that seemed like a good dude he really did and then Nancy shared her thoughts online
00:32:04
um and in my opinion this is a pretty strange Facebook post but she wrote for those of you who are close to me and
00:32:10
feel this deserved a phone call you're right but I'm struggling to make sense of everything now while I appreciate all
00:32:16
of your loving responses I'm overwhelmed please save calls for a few days until I
00:32:21
can function hmm just weird like I don't know a bizarre a bizarre post in my opinion yeah I mean I guess again I
00:32:31
guess I don't know what to chop it up to because I mean I guess I already know the outcome of the story and that's the
00:32:36
scumbag but yeah I guess in hindsight looking at it but I don't know I guess if I didn't
00:32:41
know what I knew it might not be that odd of a statement like hey you know leave me alone kind of thing
00:32:47
give me a little while like I can't talk about this like I get it I appreciate it
00:32:51
but I don't know it is it's a little odd no but that's a solid point I'm looking at it through the lens
00:32:57
of like I already knew and again we already set it up like clearly she did this so when I read that I was like well
00:33:03
that's weird but if I had read that and she didn't if she wasn't the one that did it maybe I would feel differently
00:33:08
probably yeah you might just think like hey you know she's tired of hearing about this and she's trying to agree
00:33:13
right right and she doesn't want to like have her phone blown up all day when she's going through it yeah but to
00:33:19
reiterate that's not the what's happening she's a piece of [ __ ] yeah not the case [ __ ] Nancy so a candlelight
00:33:25
vigil was held in Daniel's honor a few days later in the parking lot at the school and Nancy reiterated her grief
00:33:32
and her shock to the students and the faculty saying I just can't wrap my head around it Dan was one of the very few
00:33:37
people I've known that knew exactly what he wanted in life and loved doing it which is really sad when again we know
00:33:45
that she's the one that is doing this she's standing in front of all of these grieving people saying I can't wrap my
00:33:50
head around it he was the nicest guy he knew what he wanted and he was doing it it's like okay so like then why did you
00:33:56
kill him he was happy he was doing what he wanted to do like what like that's just some
00:34:03
people have no shame they truly don't so back to the investigation as they surveyed the scene detectives Marilyn
00:34:10
Posey were a rather perplexed there was no sign of a struggle no sign of forced entry Daniel still had his wallet phone
00:34:19
Keys his car was still parked in the parking lot so pretty much right away those factors ruled out the whole
00:34:25
robbery gone wrong scenario to them it seemed like somebody had snuck into the culinary school to murder
00:34:31
him and then snuck out without disrupting or taking anything but they were stumped because they were like who
00:34:36
the hell would want to do that Daniel was super well liked so they were having a really hard time coming up with
00:34:43
anybody who disliked him especially enough to kill him or have him killed yeah I mean you get a culinary chef
00:34:50
who's just there for his like weekend job right at an Institute like someone walking in and killing someone like that
00:34:56
is pretty wild yeah just like very sudden and out of the blue and then to have all of his things still with him
00:35:03
you're like what like yeah crazy so detective Posey told Dateline there was people that were like he's tough but
00:35:10
nothing that you know somebody had it out for him because they like had their career ended by him or anything like
00:35:16
that so many people knew Daniel Brophy to be a very direct person who quote wasn't afraid to have conversations that
00:35:22
many instructors might shy away from and also his dry sense of humor and he did have kind of like a rigid personality
00:35:28
that did did tend to rub people like certain people the wrong way but it was never to the extent like I was just
00:35:35
saying that somebody would want him dead for something he said or anything he did
00:35:39
it was just like I'm trying to honestly it kind of reminds me of my grandpa yeah
00:35:46
little guy yeah like yeah a little bit he might like piss you off because he's not gonna like beat around the bush but
00:35:54
it's like hey he's not like he's not a bad dude murder material you know no exactly not that anybody is but
00:36:00
no yeah and that's I think that's exactly like you put it so perfectly like he's not gonna beat around the bush
00:36:06
like he's just gonna tell you how he feels so with a case like this where somebody
00:36:11
is killed seemingly for no reason as we all know the spouse is the one that they
00:36:15
look into first so when Nancy was questioned shortly after the murder she told investigators that she'd woken up
00:36:22
briefly when Daniel came in after walking the dogs that morning but she said she fell asleep soon after he had
00:36:27
left and otherwise she'd just gone about her morning leisurely until she got the
00:36:32
call about what happened now detectives outwardly seem to accept her description of her movements that
00:36:39
morning but they also knew right away that she was lying even as she was telling them her uh version of that
00:36:46
morning's events Because by the time they sat down to question her they had already found surveillance footage that
00:36:52
contradicted her story so she says she's sleeping and that she just woke up when Daniel came in with
00:36:58
the dogs and then fell right back to sleep and just had a chill morning nope at 708 am when she was supposedly
00:37:06
at home sleeping a surveillance camera from a business across the street from the culinary school captured Nancy
00:37:13
driving by the school in her minivan I mean the dude's been an idiot every step of the way seriously this dude
00:37:22
Nancy you're leaving shells at the scene just driving by running around with cameras all over you she's like oh no
00:37:29
I'm I'm sleeping I was in bed thank you I don't understand 2018 and you don't realize that we are being videoed every
00:37:36
[ __ ] second of every [ __ ] day like when you were driving around in your car you were being caught on surveillance
00:37:41
footage everywhere you can't just say that you're not home sleeping you should have said oh I got
00:37:47
gas across the street from the culinary school I can't believe that happened while I was there
00:37:53
I mean I guess I'm not giving you like a an alibi but still no but we're just saying she's a giant idiot and she could
00:37:58
have said anything else if she was really you know not a giant idiot and was able to like you know come up with
00:38:05
some kind of Alibi I mean I'm glad that she's a bozo and got caught but but come on man now again that she was
00:38:13
not snoozing like she said she was because that same camera where she was caught at 708 captured her again about
00:38:20
20 minutes later in front of the school and then about 10 minutes after Daniel had deactivated the alarm system at the
00:38:27
school and then five minutes before his body was discovered in the classroom so she was discovered left right and Center
00:38:34
on this [ __ ] surveillance system so the other thing is her story about being home and in bed at the time of the
00:38:42
murder was not her only suspicious behavior in the days and weeks following the murder just three days after Dan was
00:38:48
killed detective Posey got a call from Nancy asking if he would produce a letter confirming that she was not a
00:38:56
suspect in the murder so that she could assure the insurance company she wasn't involved in the deaf okay buddy AKA let
00:39:05
me get my insurance payout yeah like hand me the check and then we'll figure out what else is going on exactly so
00:39:12
Posey clearly had never been asked for such a letter by anybody and he was like yeah girl like that's not gonna happen
00:39:18
his real direct quote was he literally said to her he goes the way you clear somebody is you arrest somebody else and
00:39:25
take them to trial like you're not gonna get a letter until I have tried somebody
00:39:30
for this murder that's not you so she's just like wait so her quote wasn't yeah buddy
00:39:37
no no not the direct quote okay but it wasn't just detectives who found her reaction to Dan's death to be unusual
00:39:46
there were neighbors who were also pretty put off by her behavior John McConnell who lived in the house that
00:39:52
abundant Daniel and Nancy's property told reporters quote she never showed any signs of being upset or sad I would
00:39:59
say she had an air of relief like it was almost a godsend McConnell asked whether
00:40:04
the police had been keeping in touch with her and Nancy told him no I'm a suspect
00:40:09
like damn girl now other neighbors had also noticed her odd behavior too she was moving
00:40:15
furniture in and out of or out of the house she had started telling people that she was seriously thinking of
00:40:21
putting the house on the market because she was quote haunted by Dan's side of the bedroom she said thinking about him
00:40:27
upset her and she wanted to get away from the house okay which I mean if my neighbor said
00:40:33
that to me after their husband was murdered I feel like I'd be like I don't think I would consider that strange like
00:40:38
no she's like the bedroom that makes sense but putting the house on the market that's like
00:40:44
that's abrupt yeah I mean I don't know again I guess when I look at it through the lens of
00:40:51
maybe she you know like something she's actually going through something I could see that
00:40:56
happening because I've had friends who have lost spouses who have had very similar reactions so I mean yeah I don't
00:41:02
know I guess it's just kind of out of character at this point because she was so
00:41:05
sporadic and terrible about like you know leading shells at the scene like being caught on camera everywhere just
00:41:12
saying like oh I'm in bed but then when it comes to this I don't know I feel like I almost feel like she did react
00:41:17
kind of well for someone who's trying to hide the fact that they killed their husband I think there are times where
00:41:24
she does and then I think there are times where she slips up oh I think she slips up basically all
00:41:29
over the place yeah I think more often than not she's slipping up but as technicians began digging into Dan's
00:41:36
personal life they only found more evidence leading them back to Nancy as they were searching through his cell
00:41:41
phone for Clues they actually discovered an article bookmarked on their shared iTunes account so this iTunes account
00:41:47
was shared by Dan and Nancy and the article they found was titled 10 ways to cover up a murder
00:41:56
okay no not long after they also discovered another suspicious article this one written by Nancy herself in
00:42:03
2011. she had written this article for a Blog called CJ in publish and it was titled how to murder your husband your
00:42:12
husband yeah yeah that's that's the one I was referring to earlier um real unreal
00:42:20
like I don't know I don't know Nancy again maybe maybe don't if that's your goal but you
00:42:29
know maybe even if that is your is not your goal like don't write about how to murder people
00:42:35
it's that's something else so this this article was written kind of like in an essay format and it detailed the motives
00:42:42
and methods that somebody might use to kill their spouse in a romance novel Nancy wrote divorce is expensive and do
00:42:49
you really want to split all your possessions or if you married for money aren't you entitled to all of it the
00:42:55
drawback is the police aren't stupid they're looking at you first if the murder is supposed to set me free I
00:43:02
certainly don't want to spend any time in jail I wish I said the police aren't stupid
00:43:06
but I am yeah literally she launched into the pros and cons of the five methods of murder the essay
00:43:14
recommended against hiring a Hitman to do the job because quote an amazing number of Hitmen Hitmen rat you out to
00:43:21
the police how many Hitmen do you know thank you what statistic is this she beat it up uh
00:43:28
she then cautions against using poison saying who wants to hang out with a sick husband
00:43:34
yeah that's that's the only downside to poisoning your bands sorry what and then
00:43:39
she ends the essay by saying I find it easier to wish people dead than to actually kill them I don't worry I don't
00:43:46
want to worry about the blood and brain splattered on my walls and really I'm not good at remembering lies
00:43:55
I mean I guess this is a fairly it's not even a good script for a movie about a psychopath it's a very
00:44:02
Bland script it's a very but wish them dead I'm sorry yeah this is a weird list even for someone who is
00:44:11
a terrible person and does terrible things this is this is odd like I love that she's like you know I would just
00:44:18
rather wish people dead because I don't really want to like clean up my walls and I'm really bad at remembering lies
00:44:23
not like I have a conscious and I would never murdered someone like oh I get what this is now she wrote this
00:44:30
so she could show it to the police later and go no no no see this is me saying I
00:44:33
would never do I would only wish it I I acknowledge that you guys aren't stupid and I knew you'd be looking at me of
00:44:39
course it's not me maybe it was honestly that's not a bad point like it's crazy Nancy but I can see that being like her
00:44:46
kind of logic you know in this probably yeah no her I mean because we'll get into it we already have a little bit her
00:44:51
logic is wild logic but so they find all of that they're like okay well this is plenty of
00:44:57
evidence and then detectives learned that the couple owned a Glock nine millimeter handgun which
00:45:03
was the very same caliber used in Daniel's murder that it was but it gets tricky according
00:45:10
to Nancy she had purchased the nine millimeter as research for one of her novels
00:45:15
and she claimed that neither her or Daniel had ever fired it so see and I heard another side too
00:45:22
where she was like oh all my friends had one and then we felt like it was stupid
00:45:27
because we didn't have one because friends just kept showing up to our house and they were like oh we have a
00:45:31
gun I was like I don't think that ever happened actually but sure interesting story I think that ever happened Nancy I
00:45:37
think you're just cray-cray but so she said that they had never fired it that it was for research blade or it was
00:45:43
because her all her friends had one and she just had to get it like it's a new pair of Nikes uh but investigators took
00:45:49
the gun into evidence and they had it tested but forensic technicians determined it probably was not the gun
00:45:56
used in the shooting no okay later but that but maybe it was because later detectives learned that
00:46:04
this wasn't the first gun Nancy had purchased in late 2017 she had purchased what's called a ghost gun kit online
00:46:12
which would have allowed her to make her own untraceable gun no wait what apparently the kit was
00:46:20
actually too difficult for her to complete and that's when she purchased the Glock but through the course of
00:46:25
their investigation detectives would also learn that while the Glock wasn't a match for the casings at the scene on
00:46:31
the day of the murder it might have been used because Nancy had purchased additional parts for a Glock 9
00:46:38
millimeter on eBay and she had swapped several components of the gun before handing it over to detectives so that's
00:46:45
where she actually like is kind of a scary Mastermind how did she manage to do all of that but
00:46:53
she goes no I was asleep I had no idea also like Mama they're gonna look at your search history yeah I mean you
00:47:04
bought it on eBay come on like that's very traceable I mean like the thing that she did like you said that's kind
00:47:10
of impressive that's kind of crazy right I don't know how many people would think
00:47:15
to do that but uh maybe people that are like more into guns but I don't know like that's still
00:47:20
just that's crazy this chick riding murder mystery [ __ ] lifetime novels about killing her husband
00:47:27
I mean I don't know and she's saying she's gonna wish people dead but then she thought to do this that that's
00:47:32
that's something else it's wild and I also love that she was like yeah the the ghost gun kit online was too hard for me
00:47:39
but I was able to switch out several components of another gun she's an enigma for sure she really is
00:47:47
so after months of quietly following leads and collecting evidence detectives had assembled what they believed was a
00:47:54
pretty strong case against Nancy Crampton Brophy for the murder of her husband she and Daniel were way behind on their
00:48:01
mortgage they were living well beyond their means and it was mostly especially when it came to Nancy's spending habits
00:48:07
she was really the one pushing them above their means uh then there were the multiple life insurance policies that
00:48:13
would pay out nearly four hundred thousand dollars in the event of Daniel's death
00:48:18
Israel's also she's spending all this money how much money are they spending on six different life insurance policies
00:48:24
it must have been like crazy and I think I have to wonder if he knew I don't think he knew about those I think she
00:48:30
was probably buying those and like keeping it secret from him and then the fact that should Daniel die the house
00:48:37
and all of his assets would be transferred directly to Nancy so she had the most to gain from his death and then
00:48:44
finally the most damning evidence of all and the reason why they were actually able to
00:48:49
get a probable cause affidavit in the first place was the surveillance video footage proving that contrary to her
00:48:56
statement Nancy was at the school during the very short window of time in which Daniel was killed
00:49:02
so oh so can I actually play you a clip yeah that I think is very um interesting
00:49:07
kind of regarding that yes you may this is uh like from one of her uh trials I believe
00:49:14
did not not sure where would have been shooting your husband within a six minute window
00:49:25
the exact type of gun that you own your version of what happened that is not my version I think your case is held
00:49:33
together with real frankly Band-Aids girl that's the thing it's like you were there in a very small time frame you
00:49:45
have all the means all the motives to do this but it wasn't you all the materials
00:49:51
even too and then why why were you lying about sleeping like you really put it out there like
00:49:57
pretty straightforward within a six minute time frame she goes nope your defense terrible dog [ __ ] what do you
00:50:04
mean why why is the defense terrible because you haven't given her favor that's the thing so so crazy on the
00:50:12
morning of September 5th 2018 just three months after the murder of her husband police arrested Nancy at her home at
00:50:19
previously the couple's home in Beaverton she was seemingly shocked and asked you're arresting me you must think
00:50:25
I murdered my husband no Nancy we thought that you actually stole some Cheerios from the Stop and
00:50:31
Shop down the street um yeah you arrested for that this has nothing to do with your husband's murder no this is
00:50:37
just from something that happened like two decades ago you know you grew up the Skittles from the Kroger you just like
00:50:42
had a couple unpaid parking tickets Nance it's we're just gonna take you downtown like yes they think you
00:50:47
murdered your husband of course that's why they're arresting you and don't they literally say like you're being arrested
00:50:52
for the murderable yeah for sure there's no way remains silent anything you say can yeah
00:51:00
so she's really quick on the uptake there but despite all the strong evidence against her like we just heard
00:51:06
in that crazy ass clip Nancy maintained that she was innocent but still offered zero explanation for her presence
00:51:12
outside the school on the morning of her husband's murder but strangely enough her arrest actually
00:51:20
shocked almost everybody who knew her and Daniel especially the people closest to them her old roommate Tanya she said
00:51:28
I was absolutely shocked I don't think she did it and I would be embarrassed if I was them if they can't prove this
00:51:34
now Daniel's son Nathan Stillwater was among those most stunned by Nancy's arrest he told Dateline they were you
00:51:41
know they had started making some plans for what was going to happen in their retirement years and while it hadn't
00:51:46
been nailed down yet it seemed like they were on to some exciting ideas honestly
00:51:52
we were coming to terms that this would be an unsolved murder it doesn't make any sense
00:51:57
wow so at first I think before they knew what the evidence was people in their lives were just like no there's no way
00:52:04
Nancy could have done this but then they're sitting there through the trial and they see the surveillance footage
00:52:08
the multiple life insurance taken out the the different gun parts like and they're like holy [ __ ] I knew this woman
00:52:15
and like this is what she's capable of so Clancy was arraigned in Multnomah I believe it's how you say it circuit
00:52:23
court on September 7th and a week later on September 13th a grand jury indicted her on one count of murder with a
00:52:29
firearm constituting domestic violence to which she pled I'm sure you'll be amazed not guilty I'm not amazed at all
00:52:38
no exactly I was being sarcastic so while she was sitting in jail waiting for her trial the story was circulating
00:52:44
online and eventually made its way to the national news outlet and the late night cycle and of course they were all
00:52:50
shelving at the bit to get the story out about the woman who wrote the wrong husband and how to murder your husband
00:52:58
but reporters were actually having a tough time lining up any interviews with the brophy's friends family or anybody
00:53:05
at the school their request to those people went almost entirely ignored and actually Daniel's students and his
00:53:11
friends had quote made a pact to stay silent out of respect for a man who had life valued his privacy
00:53:17
yeah which I think is cool so yeah that was good stuff yeah good stuff so in the months after Nancy's arrest
00:53:25
the County Judge imposed a protective order actually which barred the release of any information or evidence related
00:53:31
to the case on the grounds that it might jeopardize the investigation but by April 2019 the news had gone National
00:53:38
and because of that Nancy's attorney tried to have the protection order extended essentially arguing that if any
00:53:45
more coverage or any more information got released Nancy wouldn't get a fair trial
00:53:50
but the prosecutor Sean Overstreet completely disagreed and he argued all of the information being shared was fact
00:53:57
it was just damning and that's why the defense wanted it left out so ultimately the judge agreed with the prosecution
00:54:03
and the order was lifted as it should be yeah agreed so as the prosecution and the defense did their
00:54:10
thing detectives actually kept on investigating Gathering more and more evidence against our girl dance who is
00:54:15
not our girl at all it was during this time that they discovered several more life insurance policies that Nancy had
00:54:23
taken out in Daniel's name and they discovered the replacement Glock parts that would later be essential in
00:54:29
Prosecuting Nancy according to the prosecutor the gun confiscated from Nancy was the exact
00:54:35
make and model used in the killing of Daniel but the ballistics testing found out that the bullets taken from his body
00:54:42
were not a match for Nancy's gun but the match of gun but mismatch of the bullet seemed too much of a coincidence
00:54:49
for the investigators so they dug deeper into Nancy's activities and they found a
00:54:54
possible explanation and that's when they ended up finding out that she had bought separate parts for a Glock nine
00:54:59
millimeter handgun on eBay meaning the gun could be a match for the murder weapon it just had a different slide and
00:55:06
Barrel and that's why Nancy thought she was going to get away with it I mean like
00:55:13
she couldn't even had someone else buy it for her on eBay like I don't know like I'm not trying to give you ideas uh
00:55:19
potential nancies out there but no come on no you're right though like you have to sit there and you're like oh my God
00:55:25
but then at the same time it's like wow she literally thought to like replace different I would I don't I don't even
00:55:32
think I knew before this that you could replace different parts and like mix match gun parts I thought they all just
00:55:38
had to like line up together like a Lego set or something but I mean like I knew
00:55:42
that that was a thing I'm not like super into guns or anything um but like I knew that was a thing but I wouldn't
00:55:49
have I wouldn't have thought to like you know be like oh that could be a thing in
00:55:52
a case where you're switching it around for like you know the investigation purposes like I wouldn't have thought of
00:55:58
that and I don't I don't know maybe other people listening they're like oh of course think of that but
00:56:03
I wouldn't think that Nancy would think of that that's the thing like and why is
00:56:07
she so cocky thinking she's gonna get away with this when she's like yeah I did this but you didn't you didn't prep
00:56:13
anything else that's the thing I don't understand I think like you were saying in the beginning I think she just had to
00:56:19
have been delusional if she thought she was gonna get away with this she is fully delusional
00:56:24
I mean that is held together by Band-Aids according to her it's like no it's tied together by actual
00:56:30
surveillance footage of you outside of a murder scene but the case ended up finally going to trial on April 4th 2022
00:56:38
there were tons of delays because of coven her lawyers actually tried to get her released from prison
00:56:45
um because of like covid complications they were like she's in danger and this is like a violation of her rights and
00:56:51
they were like she waved a bell hearing so unless you want to have a bale hearing like we can talk then but if not
00:56:58
you're sitting in prison and even if you do talk about a bail hearing you're most
00:57:02
likely sitting in prison you're awaiting trial for murder yeah but they were Off
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to the Races with prosecutor Sean Overstreet arguing on behalf of the state and Lisa Maxfield arguing for the
00:57:13
defense now by the time the case was ready for trial the judge actually had decided to exclude the how to murder
00:57:20
your husband blog post from the evidence on the grounds that quote any minimal probative value is substantially
00:57:25
outweighed by the danger of unfair Prejudice and a confusion of the issues so I think basically what he was saying
00:57:33
is that like it might be confusing to the jury that's kind of what I got out of that I don't agree but I can see
00:57:42
where like maybe it would have been an issue um because it's like it's like a fiction
00:57:47
novel type thing or like a blog post or whatever it happened to be exactly and I
00:57:52
think they really well in the prosecution they were okay with that because they had actually planned in
00:57:57
their argument to minimize that post anyway because they had stronger evidence so they were okay with it being
00:58:02
omitted yeah they had better [ __ ] to work with so it is opening statement prosecutor
00:58:08
Overstreet told the jury that even though a good amount of their evidence was circumstantial they planned and
00:58:14
believed that they could show it that it was greed that motivated Nancy to kill her husband back in 2018. he told them
00:58:21
and would later tell Dateline as well quote Nancy wanted more Nancy wanted a lifestyle that Dan couldn't give to her
00:58:27
I think she thought if I could do this I'll get enough money that will allow me to change that lifestyle we never
00:58:34
thought that she didn't love him I think she probably hoped things had worked out
00:58:37
differently but when they didn't he was a problem for her ultimately I mean uh Nancy's out for
00:58:43
number one right exactly it's tale as old as time she thinks she's entitled to a certain lifestyle and she's gonna do
00:58:50
whatever she needs to do to get there and I think she also got more and more desperate as they were losing more and
00:58:56
more money and she wanted to be able to spend money on things that she wanted but she couldn't because he was the only
00:59:03
person making money and she was not and how [ __ ] old was she at this point she's like
00:59:09
I want to say she's like in her like late 50s early 60s it's just I don't know at that point
00:59:16
like I don't know is this weird just I feel like material things mean less and less
00:59:22
the older you get you know I think that it depends on who you are I think yeah if you've gotten what you if you've
00:59:30
gotten what you wanted out of life okay so far if you got to like age 50 60 I would assume that material items would
00:59:38
mean less to you but I guess if you're not getting what you want out of life then it's gonna mean more to you I think
00:59:43
it just I think it really depends on the kind of person you are and how much material things mean to you I think she
00:59:49
was a very materialistic person it seems yeah that's true and I and like you were
00:59:54
saying I think she was always out for number one she's definitely over number one Nancy
00:59:59
you suck right crazy and as Overstreet again the prosecutor put it to the jury Dan Brophy
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was worth almost 1.5 million dollars to Nancy if he was dead but worth a life of
01:00:13
financial hardship if he stayed alive damn so [ __ ] up either like it's either way
01:00:19
it's your husband I know and it it sucks that you know they get to that point where they have to put it out there like
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that it's like hey yeah I don't want to say this but he was just a number to her
01:00:30
yeah like I can't imagine like like putting a value on how much Drew is worth to me like a money a monetary
01:00:39
value right like that's crazy way more than that like I would what it's like hey this this is also a human you know
01:00:48
you remember that part uh exactly not really for your monetary gain but thank you
01:00:54
so over the course of 11 days the prosecution supported their argument by showing the surveillance footage of
01:01:00
Nancy at the school on the morning of the morning of the murders and then search history and data from her
01:01:06
computer which showed the purchase of the additional parts for the Glock the multiple life insurance policies that
01:01:12
would have provided a payout altogether once they found the other ones of nearly
01:01:16
eight hundred thousand dollars Jesus and then the jury also heard from 47 Witnesses including everybody from the
01:01:24
oci which by the way I think I said OSI earlier I'm sorry I meant to say ocially Institute I definitely did yeah
01:01:33
that's not what I was saying but they heard from the facilities manager at the school several of the students who
01:01:39
actually were the ones to find Daniel they heard from Daniel's father Jack Brophy and several of the couple's
01:01:45
friends now one of the witnesses that helped the prosecution significantly actually came from a financial analyst
01:01:52
named Steven Santos he testified that Nancy and dance retirement plans were financially unsustainable and that the
01:02:00
life insurance policies taken out in Daniel's name would have been more appropriate for a couple with more uh
01:02:07
discretionary income so basically saying because again when they met with that financial advisor
01:02:13
earlier they said even if you sell your house even if you sell your land you're still gonna end up in the red I think
01:02:19
she had gotten them so much in the red that even with the money that she would have gotten from Daniel she like she
01:02:26
still potentially could have been in the red I'm sure she would have been I mean it
01:02:30
sounded like it wasn't going well no and eventually I think even if even if she like did end up in the green a bit it
01:02:37
was only a matter of time before she ended up in the red again for sure I mean she's obviously wanted to get rid
01:02:44
of him to keep spending so I don't think that was gonna slow down I think of anything it was gonna ramp up yeah and I
01:02:50
mean it's crazy I'm sure like how fast that money could go like you see it when people win the lottery and like stuff
01:02:56
like that like obviously a million dollars is a lot of money but when you are spending it with like absolutely no
01:03:02
regard I'm sure it's gonna go quickly yeah So Lisa Maxfield the defense attorney
01:03:08
she tried to poke any hole that she could in the state's case about Nancy she told the jury in her opening
01:03:14
statement the state will present a circumstantial case that begs you to cast a blind dye to the most important
01:03:20
circumstance love Nancy crafted Brophy has always been thoroughly madly crazy in love with Daniel Brophy and she still
01:03:30
is to this day for Nancy Brophy he was perfect wow it's like yeah why'd she murder him
01:03:37
then yeah it kind of It kind of shatters once you uh like why was she outside of
01:03:42
school when he got killed then that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me but she uh write a whole entire article
01:03:48
on how to murder your husband while she was married to a perfectly great husband
01:03:51
but she uh write a letter to the insurance and go hey uh can I get that money uh post taste no she literally
01:03:58
that that wasn't even to the insurance that was to the detective clearing me as this like I was like
01:04:05
saying I'm not a suspect and they were like no that's [ __ ] crazy insane I guess the woman is delusional truly is
01:04:17
the definition of the word and then she she went on to try and explain every point that the prosecution had made a
01:04:23
way she said the ghost this is the defense attorney the ghost gun kit and the Glock were merely researched for
01:04:29
Nancy's writing I'm like I host a true crime podcast and never have I ever bought a Glock on eBay
01:04:36
yeah I mean really anything that you need to research about it you could look up or if anything I don't know maybe ask
01:04:43
a friend who has one or something be like hey can I just look at this for like a little bit or something like
01:04:47
anything else I don't think you need to go out and get a gun license if you just
01:04:52
want to look at a gun for a little while exactly and you were saying all of her friends had this specific kind of gun so
01:04:58
use theirs for your [ __ ] research and if she's saying like oh it's researchers
01:05:01
researchers this and that but I've never fired it how much research are you doing
01:05:05
you're not even gonna shoot the thing that you're researching like don't you want to see how a thing functions if
01:05:10
you're researching it I don't know there's there's a lot of levels to that which I think she's full of [ __ ] I agree
01:05:16
giant [ __ ] I agree and then she also said that the internet searches uh for how to cover up a murder were also just
01:05:26
for research yeah yeah fair and then she offered the alternative theory that Brophy had actually been killed by a
01:05:33
local unhoused man seen in the area that morning yeah always know it's going well
01:05:38
when they start offering up their own theories yeah exactly exactly the theory was very quickly dismissed by detective
01:05:46
Anthony Merrill who told the jury he and his partner had located the man and determined he was never a threat and he
01:05:52
pointed out Daniel had been shot but nothing had been taken yeah like hello and then he said there she was also
01:06:00
being a little racist when she did this because the um detective ended up saying later
01:06:05
they're asking you to consider the black guy in the neighborhood as the Killer without any any evidence you should be
01:06:11
offended like literally said to him you should be offended it's true now the most dramatic moment came on day 21 of
01:06:20
the trial when Nancy took the stand to testify in her own defense and as we know from the clip you showed us this
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was a big yikes during questioning from the defense she tried to explain away the more damning
01:06:32
aspects of the prosecution's arguments she told the jury she was a very thorough researcher had saw the guns she
01:06:39
and Daniel were very much in love and they were working on solving their financial problems and then she admitted
01:06:45
yes she had purchased that replacement Glock barrel and slide from the seller on eBay but it was because she was quote
01:06:52
obsessed with gun parts and that the missing part were parts were surely in storage somewhere
01:06:59
okay well what do you think our plan was in that moment to draw them up like she
01:07:03
was gonna order them again do right I don't even think I think if it went down to it she was
01:07:12
gonna order them again and she was gonna go look they're right here and then they
01:07:15
were gonna go um it says right here yes Tuesday you just ordered a second set so
01:07:21
where's the first set should be like I don't know what you're talking about surely it should be like my my account
01:07:26
was hacked ridiculous so some of her testimony seemed sub plus like seemed plausible in some way but
01:07:35
other parts were downright ridiculous she said she had no memory of leaving the house on the morning of the murder
01:07:40
and she didn't know what she was doing on the surveillance camera footage she said you know maybe I was struggling
01:07:48
to write and I went out to clear my head and a psychiatrist for the defense testified it was possible that Nancy was
01:07:55
suffering from what's called retrograde amnesia from the later trauma of learning that her husband had been
01:08:01
killed and that's why she didn't remember what she was doing that morning but the prosecutor challenged that claim
01:08:06
and said to Nancy if you can't remember anything how could you be sure that you didn't kill your husband
01:08:12
and she goes uh she was like uh she said I see Dan every day I talk to him every
01:08:20
day this is not a man I would have shot because I had a memory issue it seems to
01:08:25
me if I shot him I would know every detail okay okay buddy that's also just a strange explanation
01:08:35
yeah I mean like I said she's the king of flip-flopping so after 25 days of evidence and testimony closing arguments
01:08:43
were presented on May 23 2022 so not that long ago Overstreet focused on Nancy's convenient claim of Amnesia the
01:08:51
physical evidence the forensic evidence that linked her to the crime including the purchases of the guns the
01:08:56
surveillance footage and in closing he turned the defense's argument back onto them and reminded the jury no one would
01:09:03
want to hurt Dan even Nancy herself told that to detectives so nobody else had a
01:09:08
motive but Nancy did no literally the only person in the world literally now in closing Arguments for the defense
01:09:18
Nancy's attorneys focused on the purely circumstantial nature of the case and reminded the jury that the prosecution's
01:09:24
case couldn't be proven Beyond A Reasonable Doubt instead they emphasized that throughout the trial the jury
01:09:30
repeatedly heard how happy Nancy and Daniel were together Maxfield even said at one point that the best proven fact
01:09:37
during the trial was that Nancy and Dan loved each other that doesn't nah I okay she murdered him
01:09:47
and then because after she was like they loved each other she was like there were
01:09:52
other possible assailants in the area then she claimed the police had ignored them which was not true
01:09:58
and also why are you saying there are multiple other assalians when the only person you brought up in the first place
01:10:03
was just an unhoused man minding his own business you dingus [Laughter] so on May 25th 2022 after eight hours of
01:10:20
deliberation I can't even believe it took them that long the jury returned with a unanimous guilty verdict for the
01:10:26
second degree murder of Daniel Brophy sentencing was held on June 13th and that's when they did Victim Impact
01:10:33
statements um Daniel's son Nathan did an impact statement and said to Nancy you opted to
01:10:38
lie steal cheat fraud ultimately killed the man that was for some reason still unbeknownst to me your biggest fan you
01:10:46
executed my father in an act of cold-blooded premeditated murder the man that did everything for you
01:10:53
I was actually curious on if they had kids or not I think that was his son from like his first marriage yeah no
01:11:01
that's what it seemed like yeah that's really sad so before pronouncing his sentence the judge addressed the family
01:11:06
saying I think the thing that you can take away which I hope gives you some small measure of Solace is that he was a
01:11:12
mentor and a teacher to many and hopefully they and hopefully they will turn and have an impact on others
01:11:18
themselves as they teach and with that said he sentenced Nancy to life in prison with the possibility of
01:11:25
parole after 25 years and then lifetime went on to make the movie called how to murder your husband the Nancy Brophy
01:11:32
story which I have not watched wow they took the name took the name that's crazy just like a really sad
01:11:41
story overall because it just didn't need to happen no I mean what a what an idiot dude I
01:11:48
mean I'm glad she's in jail I'm kind of disappointed that she has the possibility of parole in 25 years but um
01:11:53
hopefully she'll be like withering and like dying seriously at that point seriously
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but Caleb thank you so much for joining me doggy of course dude thanks for having me
01:12:04
welcome I hope I did all right my my uh it's been a while since I've done a true
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crime anything really I think it's been like three years you did a great job and
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for those of you who are listening we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it
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weird but not so weird that you murder your husband and write a blog post about it because that's really too weird
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