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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] this is morbid hey guys um you've been
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here before probably yeah you probably have and if you haven't welcome hey what's up
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um you're coming in on a weird case because we're getting like weirdly demonic and uh we have a lot of priests
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in this weeks episodes yeah that is yeah no that's weird I thought you were about to
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say there's a lot of priests in yours my whole thing is about a priest I also have a lot of priests or a pastor I
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think there's a difference I have lots of priests in mine I have pastors and um and youth pastors there you go I have
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demons I have the Warrens in mind oh you got any prophecies uh kind of oh I have
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a lot of a little bit Yeah there's acclaimed and alleged prophecy should we play like demon Bingo my God guys set up
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a demon Bingo when you get to my case I think after you finish mine combine me and Elena's and make a demon bingo I
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love that and when you get Bingo instead of saying Bingo you have to say something in Latin oh don't do not read
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the Latin no baby well I don't think we have anything we really want to touch upon this week no the Vanderpump Rules
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finale our reunion hasn't happened it hasn't happened so so we got nothing to talk about uh if we have something to
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talk about we will touch upon it in the next episode but right now um I have nothing my brain is just
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thinking about demons and the Warrens and all this craziness so we are talking about today today the case that The
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Conjuring part three the devil made me do it is based on ooh slightly uh fun fact I've never seen any of The
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Conjuring movies the I saw the first one or wait is that is the first one Annabelle or is that completely separate
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yeah that's what everyone the first Conjuring I thought was great I didn't see any of the other ones so maybe
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they're great too yeah first one was fun religious scary movies have a way of like really scaring the [ __ ] out of me
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so that's what I love about them I see I tend to avoid them you don't want to be
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scared no I do but I want to be scared in a different way religious way I don't like the religious
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scared feelings well the first one is fun I think the first one has like it's like a fun
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haunted house kind of thing um this one's definitely more religious based but you know but I don't think the first
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one's like super religious I think it's more just haunted house fun yeah but this one is actually this case is called
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the devil made me do it case oh so the third Conjuring is based off of this they definitely go a little you know
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they take some artistic license towards the end but they do base a lot of The Facts of the case on this okay
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um this is a wild case you're gonna have your own thoughts about it okay have those thoughts I will Everyone's
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entitled to them I just want to get that right off the bat because oh her face you guys there's beliefs here that
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everybody's gonna have different beliefs about okay uh there's there's you know demonic possession there's exorcisms the
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church is involved you know the Warrens are involved people have thoughts about all these things and
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you're allowed to have those thoughts have them exist with them but this one involves a guy named Arne Johnson and
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his at the time his girlfriend Debbie glazel okay uh we're going to start with talking about them because they are you
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know where the actual criminal case comes in oh [ __ ] um so according to his family growing up
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Arne Johnson was always a kind thoughtful person he'd go out of his way to help others he was a pretty normal
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kid his name's Arnie so I feel like he kind of has to be friends I feel like yeah
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um you know they said that while everyone around him all his peers were you know drinking and you know going to
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clubs just being Rowdy teenagers Arnie was singing in the church choir and just playing little league and
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taking his younger sister fishing oh it's like you know he's just being a good brother good old American boy his
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one of his friends said two reporters this is a direct quote he didn't go discoing he wasn't into drugs he doesn't
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have long hair and he never raised his voice okay I would like to point out that discoing having long hair and
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raising one's voice was just attributed to being a bad person here yeah I I don't know about
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that but okay no long hair okay we are in Connecticut just want to point that out
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um but yeah so that I was like disco and huh just going and leads to having long
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hair being a bad being a bad and it's like what would constitute raising one's voice Where's the Line there like you
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see that's that's also like everybody has a different opinion on this yeah like what is loud to someone yeah not
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loud to another exactly I don't know but apparently his parents separated pretty
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early on in his life he was only nine months old oh that's uh there were periods that they attempted to reconcile
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with each other but they it didn't work out and they officially divorced when he
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was about four years old oh [ __ ] that's a long time yeah yeah his mother Mary Johnson was a single mother at the time
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she struggled kind of working several jobs just just to support Arnie and his younger sisters Wanda and Janice Wanda
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um there was also a younger cousin named Mary who was living with the family on and off so she was supporting her as
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well um when he finished eighth grade he did try to move in with his father who at
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the time was working as a landscaper in Bethel Connecticut but unfortunately it didn't really work out I think they just
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couldn't really make their relationship work that closely after all that time that's sad it was like kind of moving in
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with someone you don't really know yeah that well and so he ended up returning to live with his mother and his sisters
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in Bridgeport pretty quickly after trying this out with his dad but Arnie's mother was really trying her
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best just kind of but struggling to support all these children on her own that's a lot of kids so Arnie ended up
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dropping out of school at 16 to work odd jobs and just try to support his siblings as well it always makes me so
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sad when like a kid will drop out of school to like help to try to help out yeah now according to his mother she
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said quote he took odd jobs that was really the only reason he left school was to help support us and it was
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through his mother that Arne Johnson met his future girlfriend and then wife Debbie Debbie glad cell
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he was just 12 years old when they met she was 19. oh [ __ ] yep oh [ __ ] [ __ ]
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[ __ ] [ __ ] yep yep yep it was 1974 and Debbie was working as a checkout clerk
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at a local grocery store she later said quote I knocked over a display in the supermarket and Arnie said to his mother
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I'm going to help that lady I'd like to point out that I'm uncomfortable here I would like to point
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out that I think we should all be uncomfortable this is the part where I get uncomfortable and I I stay uncomfy
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uh Debbie and Mary Johnson became close friends through seeing each other at the
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grocery store reminder Mary is Arnie's mother Arnie is 12. Debbie and Mary Barney's mother are now
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close friends yeah what the [ __ ] is happening here so despite this seven year age difference and remember it's
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all about phases of life if they were in their 30s if they were in their 20s even
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this is a different story 12 and 19. no no no no no it's also all about the law like that's illegal it's like
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and like baby girl what are you finding like yes stimulates your relationship with a 12 year old I was just gonna say
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I'm gonna stop you there like but yeah uh but yeah they began dating a few years later I think they I don't know
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how old he was when they began dating they didn't date when he was 12 but that's when she had met him uh and yeah
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and the beginning of their relationship they actually lived with Debbie's family
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in Brookfield for a few months to save their money and by 1980 um when he was technically an adult uh
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the couple moved to decided to move in together and they also brought along Arnie's mother sisters and younger
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cousin Mary the one that was living with them to live with them oh in a small house that they found to rent in nearby
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Newtown so Debbie said about that home it was like my dream house I thought we could
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build a nice beautiful life there okay Debbie spoiler alert they didn't yeah I mean I figured they were very
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excited about the move but that all changed very quickly because On Moving Day Debbie's 11 year old brother David
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had an alleged paranormal experience that terrified them and changed everybody's lives oh [ __ ] Debbie's
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brother you said yes so Debbie's little brother it was 11 years old David according to Debbie David really liked
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Arnie we got along very well with him just wanted to be around him a lot so like he wanted to help the couple move
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that day and so the day of the move he went with them to get everything settled and when they got to the house they
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noticed that the previous tenants had left some furniture which included a bed in the main bedroom
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and it was while he was cleaning in the main bedroom that David the 11 year old first saw what he called the fiendish
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looking figure that he described as an old man burnt and black looking ooh yeah and apparently he was basically telling
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them beware get out of this house that was the vibe that David was getting the little 11 year old now apparently upon
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seeing this horrifying sight David yelled screamed and ran from the house altogether and this is like during the
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day itself this is during the day and Debbie and Arnie followed out behind him and he was freaking out he would not go
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back in the house um David told his sister that the old man had pushed him and that he was not
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going back in that house he was terrified and he wouldn't Debbie and Arnie went back in and continued
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cleaning but David stayed outside until they were ready to leave he wouldn't go back in
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so later that night over dinner at Debbie's parents house Debbie and Arnie were telling Debbie's mom about what had
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happened at the house and while they were talking about it David came out of his bedroom and said he was still having
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visions of the old man in the house but now he could hear his voice in this house now according to David envisions
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he could see the old man and he said this old man has an animal trapped in the house and is tormenting it and he
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said the animal is scratching out the door trying to escape what the [ __ ] and this kid is just coming out of this with
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nowhere like I've never had any other like conversations like this not that we know of okay
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um but over time he would keep elaborating on this story and it became more and more detailed and the man
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eventually apparently was described as having like hooves for feet and that this sometimes there was other men
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around him and they were wearing grotesque costumes like it was getting scarier and scarier yeah and as this got
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more detailed and more frequent the story started to scare Debbie and she honestly wondered should we move into
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this little rental house I don't think we should I mean after a while you would start to be nervous but they had
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invested so much time and money in it that they really couldn't afford to back out so they did return to Newtown the
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following day and kept moving into the house and when they got to the house that day
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things changed a little bit because Arnie and Debbie immediately noticed scratches on the inside of the front
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door and they looked like an animal had caused it oh [ __ ] okay that would freak
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me out so Arnie later told producers of a haunting which was a reality series that talks about paranormal experiences
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he said when I saw the scratches on the door I was starting to really question well maybe something is definitely wrong
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here now I have to ask did David see those scratches the day before when he was helping them move and was possibly
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influenced by that like maybe he did see something scary and maybe he saw those scratches and it made its way into The
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Narrative of the story do we know if the previous tenants had a doll we do not know that so that and that's the thing I
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was like Bailey we didn't we didn't train her to like oh my God ring a bell or anything like that like we've now got
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a bell on the door for uh Sydney and Blanche but with Bailey she just scratched the hell out of our door and
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so I was like that could definitely just be a dog yeah exactly you know just saying so either way though Debbie
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interpreted this as confirmation that what David was saying about the old man and what he was seeing was true and he
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was like she was like they had already invested two months rent into this place but they decided they weren't moving in
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after this wow yeah so Arnie and Debbie felt comfortable with this decision they
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were like nope not doing it but Mary Johnson who is Arnie's mom she was not so convinced that there was
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really reason to back out of this mainly because Mary had already given notice to
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her landlord that she was going to be moving out and happy because the plan was she was going to move into this
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house with Debbie and Arnie with her kids and so she was like so Arnie and Debbie
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were gonna live with Debbie's family in Brookfield for the time being until they
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could find another place but Mary and her children had already gave us notice of the landlord so they decided to
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actually move into the house in Newtown I mean where else exactly where else could they go so you would think that
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the house in Newtown that place is going to be where the problem is no no no that didn't have a problem
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now Ernie and Debbie now their plans have been put on hold they're not moving into
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that little house his mom did his little sisters have so they kind of took all their stuff out of that house went back
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to Debbie's parents house they were going to stay there for a while but when they got there Debbie's mom was very
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agitated and she was saying that David had been upset all evening and was insisting that the old man who he was
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now calling the Beast was angry with him for telling Arnie and Debbie not to move into that house in
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Newtown and what David was saying was that the Beast had followed him from that home
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and and was had followed him to the brookfield's home it was now in their house okay and that he wanted to take
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his soul that he was like aggressive like he was pushing him and scratching him and hurting him and Arnie later said
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quote the fear in this child was so overwhelming something was going wrong and I believed him okay
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so the following day Arne and Debbie were like you know what like he's so upset let's get him out of the house for
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a little while so they were hoping like just a casual afternoon outside at the park or whatever was gonna hopefully
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take his mind off this scary ass old man Beast that he was seeing distract him seemed like it was going okay but then
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when they turn returned back to the Glad cell house in Brookfield David refused to go inside
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and he told his sister the Beast was in that house and he was like I'm not going
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in and they had to convince him it took a lot of convincing for him to finally go in that house God if my kid starts
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doing this [ __ ] man I'm gonna I got too much return the whole ass kid and that
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night as David was going to bed it apparently escalated and according to Arnie and Debbie David was being
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physically attacked by an unseen Force y'all David just didn't want to go to bed this force was striking him pushing
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him around the room Arnie said later quote the scariest part to me was seeing David go through this with nothing there
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to do it it was terrifying so no one knew what to do okay so and he was having outbursts he like according
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to them he was having convulsions he was yelling screaming swearing kicking becoming more and more aggressive and
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David's 11 at this point and it's like out of character it's out of like it's to that according to them it's out of
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nowhere it's getting worse and worse so they don't know what to do me I would call a doctor Debbie's family went to
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the priest at their church and asked if they could perform an exorcism or some kind of similar similar ritual
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since the early 1960s the Catholic church had definitely tried to minimize like the talk of demons and you know
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evil like that like you know this kind of thing but then Rosemary's Baby in The Exorcist came out it became more popular
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people started suddenly knowing about exorcisms people who didn't know about it previously Suddenly It's a thing
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where like everybody needs an exorcism right and after hearing the family story about what's going on with David the
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priest who is unnamed lots of unnamed priests in here there's always unnamed priests yes because there isn't uh so
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the priest told the family he wasn't gonna do an exorcism because he was like that's kind of wild and you need a lot
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of permissions and it's like this big process we can't just do one well it seems like you're like jumping when he's
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literally exorcism you would have to wait for weeks for us to get approval from like higher-ups in the diocese like
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the we can't just perform exorcisms dangerous yeah like very involved do we need lots of people so he was like yeah
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I'm not going to do an exorcism but he was like let me do some more research and while I'm doing this research for
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what I can do for you why don't you bless your host with some holy water light some candles do some
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prayers get out of here so it seems very helpful thanks so shockingly the thoughts and
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prayers method of getting rid of evil had little effect on this whole thing usually does um David's Behavior did not
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change what was happening to him was not changing um allegedly he was speaking in Latin at
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times and uh reciting passages from Paradise Lost he was contorting screaming it was getting worse and worse
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what is Paradise Lost it's a poem about a battle between Satan and God oh okay so it's it's got religious connotations
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and also like occultish connotations in it okay I just know it as uh the documentary I
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was gonna say I know you're thinking of um the robin Hills murders yes The West Memphis Three yep yeah that's kind of
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why like it's it's very much in like culture and popular culture that the name Paradise Lost but he was 11 at the
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time he had not read the epic poem by John Miller so like him apparently reciting things from it was strange yeah
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to the to the family which I understand it was yeah that'd be strange to me I got that so you know out of options
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again the family went back to the unnamed priests who had now agreed to come to the glatzel house to perform a
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blessing ritual not an exorcism just blessing the house well that's the thing I'm like usually there are a couple
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steps first like yeah the holy water and the blessing you lead up to them you know read a prayer a Hail Mary yes
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exorcism yeah they were like we need an exorcism now according to the glat cells
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when the priest had completed the blessing he told them it's definitely really not going to be sufficient enough
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to end what's going on here like I've done my best but he was like then they said he this unnamed priest who is never
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named told them to reach out to Ed and Lorraine Warren who are a husband and wife team of paranormal investigators
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who lived in nearby Monroe Connecticut okay so this was interesting me so Dave are Dave
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I found some information that was really interesting to me this story has been told over and over in various forms of
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media over the years like in like it's in the basis of a Conjuring movie I know it's so funny because like I know
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nothing yeah it's it's a it's been told a million times but the more Sensational
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parts are the ones everyone remembers or the ones that get retolds but there is lesser parts of this story that are
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pretty important just around the whole thing out I don't think it's good to tell the story from one point of view
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which is demon possession yeah no I think it's probably smart to look at the other people involved and if somebody
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else is saying I didn't see any of that then at least you need to hear that part
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of it that's not fun and not discussed a lot was the fact that there was a third
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Glatt Soul Childs Who falls between David and Debbie in birth order and has a very different version of events than
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his two than you know especially his older sibling Debbie so I was going to say in the middle of David and Debbie
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yeah so David is his younger brother and he's very protective okay what is this person's name Carl damn it I thought it
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was all going to be D's and that's something that happens in my story and I was like whoa you're like wait a second
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no this guy's called Carl that was amazing I wish John was up here Carl Carl but I'm not saying who's right or wrong
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because none of us were there but it's interesting that Carl Jr has a different version of events and he shouldn't be
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left out of the narrative for the sake of only telling the demon narrative so beginning in 1979 Carl glatzell Jr was
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14 years old and he said at that the beginning of 1979 he was feeling very helpless because he was watching his
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younger brother David's mental and emotional health began to rapidly decline that's how he saw it and at
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first he said this manifested with some acute behavioral problems he saw him having trouble in school like learning
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disabilities but by 1980 the problems really allegedly escalated he said David began experiencing what Carl referred to
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as delusions and he said he was having seizures sometimes or what he saw as seizures and other people maybe saw his
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convulsions exactly and Carl told reporters in 2007 it was a living hell when we were kids it was an absolute
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nightmare that's really sad according to Carl the family was convinced David's issues were spiritual and not physical
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or psychological so they insisted on turning to a priest at church instead of a doctor but when he this priest this
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unnamed series was unable to offer really anything besides this blessing ritual in likes a little bit of
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spiritual guidance and like Ed and Lorraine Warren he says he believes his parents turned to the Warrens his family
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turned to the warrants themselves and that Carl and he what Carl says is that the Warrens saw their family as a gold
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mine oh [ __ ] allegedly yeah allegedly of course this is just a part of the story
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not often included and it's important to talk about the fact that not everyone in
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the family saw this as a spiritual or demonic issue yeah at least Carl saw it as a psychological or physical issue
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that a doctor a medical doctor should have been consulted on well that's the thing it's like you can consult a doctor
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and a priest neither is exclusive yeah exactly you can have both of them working at the
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same time right now back to where we were Ed and Lorraine Warren have entered the chat now can I stop you for a quick
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second uh so David uh sorry Carl sees David having all these problems and the problems that he saw started before even
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he's like talked about the Beast or right around no he said it's about the same time he just saw it starting to
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rapidly decline okay gotcha he said it was it was small but it it started to really escalate
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um so Ed and Lorraine Warren have entered the chat and by this time they had been in but that the by the time
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that they became involved with this whole thing they were already very well known uh since the early 1950s even the
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Warrens had been involved in paranormal investigations uh Lorraine was a psychic
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medium and um Ed was a self-described demonologist they flew under the radar at first a
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little bit but in 1975 is when they really blew up to Paranormal stardom because that's when Ronald defeo Jr went
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on trial for the murder of his family in Amityville New York The Amityville Horror is very well known to both horror
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and True Crime Buffs worldwide yep it's become its own kind of cultural Force at
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this point but in the beginning it was a real straightforward shocking case of a
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family Annihilation yeah that's what it is I know I think that gets lost it gets
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buried which is very tragic it was on November 14 1974 that Ronald defeo Jr silently went room by room in his family
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home in the middle of the night shooting and killing his parents Ronald defeo senior and Luis defeo and four siblings
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Don his sibling Don 18 Allison 13 Mark 12 and John 9. they were all in their beds and he shot them all in the head
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with a rifle after doing so he left and he just Unleashed and unloaded what he had just
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done to a bar full of people and was very much quickly arrested initially he claimed that these killings
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were a professional hit that was his initial story initial story excuse me but that fell apart pretty fast and it
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became clear that it was him he had done it yeah he struggled a lot with several
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different things he had a terrible tumultuous violent relationship with his father there were many factors in this
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whole case that you can point to for what was going on at that time that's the straightforward answer for
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that yeah a year later so that happened and that was like whoa okay yeah family Annihilation that's horrific what a case
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what an awful thing to happen What A vibe that house must have now the end no well a year later a newly
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married couple named George and Kathy Lutz moved into the defeo home with their blended family
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even though that home had those like bad you know what had happened there they were like you know what we're gonna make
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it our home it's okay but after living there for only about a month they abandoned it leaving a lot of
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things behind just fleeing that house they claimed it was haunted it was horrible horrible things were happening
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in that house the claims were very very heavily and completely investigated by Skeptics
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paranormal investigators literally any money that could go in there they were pretty pretty like quickly
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looked at as like I don't know about that right pretty unfounded um but the people who really believed
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them really believed them and two of those people were Ed and Lorraine Warren uh also defeo's lawyer William Weber
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looked at this and said oh I believe them too and he claimed that the feo was possessed by a demonic entity when he
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murdered his family what an argument the same entity that drove the Lexus from their house
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so the story behind the supposed Amityville haunting and its connection to the defeo murders is so long so
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complicated very confusing at times there's just a lot there very layered but in the decades that followed this
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whole thing claims of demonic possession and hauntings at the defeo slash leader
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Lutz household um were definitely called into question in some court cases where they admitted
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it was a hoax yeah like it was very much admitted to being a hoax but people were
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really interested in it there's there's novels there's a long line of films that
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you know catapulted the whole thing into like the Zeitgeist and everybody questioning whether everybody wants to
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believe that the haunting of the Amityville is true I did it too when I first had it people love hauntings
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people love like spooky [ __ ] and Amityville is like the most iconic to most people and I remember like when I
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was younger and I first read about it I was like oh my God you read about the walls bleeding and you're like holy [ __ ]
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the walls bled like that's wild all the Flies all the flies like the the pig in the corner with the glowing red eyes
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like what the [ __ ] and it's like so to hear it was all [ __ ] and this is just a straightforward story of like a
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really tragic tragic family annihilation it's of course everybody's like oh bummer yeah nobody wants to look to that
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part of it and then Lorraine are a huge part of this story because they really went hard at it they believed it it
00:27:59
catapulted them into the public eye at that point um and they were like the It couple of
00:28:04
the Paranormal world at that time they got booked on talk shows they were becoming public speakers they this shot
00:28:11
them into the stratosphere now according to Lorraine Warren the blessings on the
00:28:16
glatzel's house bringing it back to this case yup it had no effect on David glatzel's behavior when she went in
00:28:23
there she saw that they had done nothing which the glatzels preached apparently according to them had reached reached
00:28:30
out to the Warrens because he also believed it wasn't going to have an effect on David they lived only 30
00:28:36
minutes away from this family so they were like why not and Lorraine claims she received the call from that unnamed
00:28:42
priest who said there's something definitely wrong and I believe it would be possession so I'd like you to look in
00:28:48
to it okay this is what she said and she said the priest told her the story told
00:28:53
her all about what was going on with David that he had tried that the family had tried With the blessings and nothing
00:28:59
worked and that they needed urgent help so they went straight from Monroe and went right to the glatzel home pretty
00:29:07
shortly after but other people say that the mom just called them directly that's Carl's
00:29:13
feeling that's Carl's feeling I don't know if anybody else feels that way these are just feelings nobody really
00:29:18
knows what happened yeah but when Lorraine met David she said she believed whoops sorry I just dropped my uh charge
00:29:25
charger how dare I Lorraine said she believed there was quote a creature in that
00:29:31
child's body wow and she said that creature was there to cause considerable psychic and physical harm to him and his
00:29:38
family but like why though I'm not really sure uh but you know the glatzels told Ed and Lorraine that
00:29:47
David's Behavior was becoming increasingly more aggressive they had seen the beatings that had been
00:29:53
inflicted upon this boy by this unseen Beast themselves and of course the Warrens looked at this and said 100 he's
00:30:02
possessed by a demon now Debbie glatzel figured it was linked to the property somehow which makes no
00:30:10
sense because it initially supposedly attached to him at the other house where Mary Johnson is currently living fine
00:30:15
but she figured why can't we just move away from this house and hopefully solve the problem
00:30:21
but Lorraine was like No And she said it would do no good at this point because it would follow us that's the difference
00:30:28
between a haunted house and haunted people say what you want about the Warrens but
00:30:33
they know how to speak spooky that's what I have to say about that the difference between a haunted house and
00:30:38
haunted people yeah that's that's delightful all right I get it Poetic Justice I would get sucked into I would
00:30:44
too um so the Warrens insisted according to them the only thing that was going to
00:30:50
fix David was an actual exorcism performed by a Catholic preach priest but like I said before you don't just
00:30:59
get an exorcism right getting an approval for an exorcism can take months you have to petition the church they
00:31:05
have to go through a whole thing they didn't have that kind of time David is increasingly getting worse and worse so
00:31:11
luckily Ed Warren tells the family don't worry about it I can perform a minor exorcism which can be done sooner okay
00:31:20
and the Glad cells were like cool interesting that this sounds like super duper dire and he's like I think a minor
00:31:26
Exorcist I think I can just like do a quickie it sounds like if he needs an exorcism he needs a [ __ ] yeah
00:31:31
and it's like don't you think that if you have to get like all that permission and [ __ ] there's a petition there's a
00:31:36
reason you have to do that now according to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops minor exorcisms are
00:31:42
quote prayers used to break the influence of evil and sin in a person's life I just have to say it's wild that like
00:31:52
actual documents exist that like explain what this is yeah how to go about it yeah that's just how I feel and here's
00:31:59
the thing I am a believer in many things I'm also I'm also a healthy I I was getting I was
00:32:07
meaning to say healthy and also it's a hard time I'm also a healthy skeptic yeah but an open-minded skeptic I am
00:32:16
willing and honestly eager to have my mind changed about certain things no it's true she is I I but I am always
00:32:24
looking at The Logical side of things if I possibly can demonic possession I can't rule it out in life no and I can't
00:32:33
say that I don't believe it happens I can't say that I don't think that anything
00:32:40
like that could happen I can't say it because I don't know I'm not here to say I know either way that would be foolish
00:32:47
to me yeah but I think when it comes to like the religious part of it is where I
00:32:51
have the problem mainly because I am not a religious person so to me why would that help me if I don't believe in it
00:32:58
you know and I feel like some people that are dealing with this possibly maybe don't believe in it either and is
00:33:04
that going to help them like why why is it so can and I know it's so connected because of the Bible
00:33:10
and like all the stories and everything like you know Satan and all that [ __ ] well and I think a lot of times people
00:33:15
that believe in demons think they're like like hell's demons yeah it's just I feel like it's too linked yeah with
00:33:23
religion for me to fully engage in it but I'm I'm I I like believe in ghosts I believe in well that's the thing bad
00:33:32
entities I but I look at it more like energy a bad entity yeah like I don't look at it as like a hell demon same you
00:33:40
know like because I don't think it has any link to that I think it's just bad right that's what I was just gonna say
00:33:44
and I think that's where I lose it and I think a lot of times like things are bad
00:33:49
because of like energy and things that happened there yeah like I can get down with the idea that like a ghost is a
00:33:56
like this is at least what I kind of think is like a ghost was a person yeah but a bad entity like a demon per se
00:34:03
like that like if I see what like something that I maybe wasn't even a person it's just bad
00:34:10
energy that's what I think too but I don't know but then I think there could also be bad spirits that were people
00:34:15
yeah exactly because it's bad people yeah so it's like I don't know I don't know exactly how I believe I I just know
00:34:22
I don't know everything about it so I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I do
00:34:26
yeah and say that like all that's [ __ ] because I don't know so it's like I'm very open-minded to understanding it but
00:34:33
when it gets too wrapped up with like this kind of thing I'm like you're losing me because I don't I don't think
00:34:39
I believe that that's where it comes from but you might so and that's fine yeah exactly
00:34:45
but I'm just saying what what I think so while the glatzels waited to hear back from the Warrens about getting this
00:34:51
minor exorcism up and chugging uh David's Behavior got worse and it got more aggressive so Lorraine later told
00:34:59
reporters you can't even begin to believe the things we witnessed in that home into that boy he came under hideous
00:35:04
attacks he had marks all over his body he could tell things that were going to happen in the future
00:35:10
the Warren said that they saw David levitate off his bed okay So eventually they began to record their interactions
00:35:19
with David because pictures or didn't happen yes obviously but mainly audio recordings and pictures exactly so audio
00:35:27
recording or it didn't happen in a recording made October 14 1980 David you can hear David breathing really heavily
00:35:34
and he's making like guttural sounds that's really scary and then it's followed by a voice Debbie says is David
00:35:41
saying Cheyenne dies at work tomorrow now this was apparently a reference to Arne Johnson because his middle name is
00:35:49
Cheyenne oh now according to Debbie the next day Arnie who was he worked at a tree surgery company fell 20 feet from a
00:35:58
tree and suffered a quote minor knee injury oh [ __ ] so like he didn't die no he had a minor
00:36:07
knee injury yeah but do I mean to fall 20 feet from a tree that's really [ __ ] scary I found no reports of this
00:36:15
but it happened according to them so allegedly that happened he had a minor knee injury so uh he didn't die at work
00:36:25
that day but something scary strange very strange and if it did happen then like whoa something bad happened and he
00:36:31
could have died yeah exactly so there's that a near-death experience exactly so maybe he just wasn't being detailed you
00:36:37
know but in another incident Arnie apparently and this happened a lot apparently Arnie would challenge the
00:36:44
demon I thought you were gonna say this happened a lot Arnie just fell from a lot of trees he just he just felt a lot
00:36:50
no no Arnie would challenge the demon a lot okay and he would challenge it to leave David's body and enter his oh no
00:36:59
but and he was 19 at the time tough guy tough guy tough guy [ __ ] yeah and and he
00:37:04
loves and again David like was really close to irony at some point according to reports according to the family so
00:37:11
like he he didn't like seeing them like this yeah sounds like a brotherly relationship so he would do this a lot
00:37:17
he would like and Lorraine and Ed would look at it as taunting and they said that it was it was not a good idea and
00:37:23
they didn't like that he was doing it um and Arnie can be heard on a recording saying tell him I'll fight him and after
00:37:30
that Arnie claims he started having paranormal experiences of his own and he would see a dark figure like things were
00:37:37
happening it's such a New England Vibes right there like tell him I'll fight him
00:37:41
tell them tell that demon I'll [ __ ] fight him kid thank you so much for saying that because all I could picture
00:37:46
was somebody being like tell him I'll fight him come at me bro get out of here like it's just I'm sorry that's all I
00:37:52
can no it's true because that's such New England I'm like are you like from Massachusetts is that because that's
00:37:57
very Massachusetts like squaring up with the demons get out of the [ __ ] kid I'll fight you like get out of here
00:38:03
let's bring this down to Duncan all right I'll take you outside regular and then I'll fight you I
00:38:08
thought that same thing when I read it I was like [ __ ] this is so new English it's like damn and again very
00:38:14
Massachusetts like very dumb New England being like get out of there I'll fight you but yeah he started seeing dark
00:38:20
figures he was having experiences of his own and in an interview later Debbie recalled an incident where she said um
00:38:28
they were had her and Arnie were having a discussion with another couple and Arnie out of nowhere began to growl and
00:38:35
started shaking all over and she said I could tell it was an Arnie okay now later the other couple feel about
00:38:42
that right I don't nobody tells you like what how they reacted yeah I need to know yeah and in a New York Times
00:38:49
article uh his David's mother further said what was happening with David at the time saying he would kick bite spit
00:38:57
terrible swear words and she said that he was thrown around on the floor like a rag doll she remembered seeing it but
00:39:03
then she was quoted as saying about David and he can't even do a sit-up he's too fat oh that's so and I was going to
00:39:10
say about your child that's a weird thing to throw at the end of he's being possessed and beaten by a demon is to
00:39:17
like throw that in at the end body shame him I don't know about this guys oh my God and I just thought it was like so
00:39:23
shitty I was like that's like a that's a weird thing to throw at the end of that
00:39:27
like to talk about your son so mean and callously yeah I was like I don't like that I can't imagine ever calling I mean
00:39:32
anyone fat but especially my child because in my opinion like like no matter what something was happening with
00:39:38
David yeah obviously whether you believe it is demonic possession or you believe
00:39:41
he is going through some kind of mental illness yeah in very distressing mental illness he's suffering like he is going
00:39:49
through it and he's not getting the proper help and it's like to talk about him like that like that just wasn't cool
00:39:55
to me I was like I don't know about it yeah it doesn't sound very loving no that was just like I was like whoa and
00:40:02
I'm like you're so worried about him but you still have time to yeah like you didn't have to say that yeah like you
00:40:07
could have just said like he got thrown around on the floor it was wild yeah like the end it does you don't need to
00:40:12
add that extra crack if you could even say he wasn't very agile yeah like any way of saying it but either way by the
00:40:18
end of 1980 David's Behavior reached Peak uh-oh status when in a fit of rage he allegedly tried to stab Arnie with a
00:40:27
kitchen knife oh no according allegedly yeah again I'm saying there's no report of this I did not find a report of this
00:40:35
but according to the glatzels David claimed the Beast had called on more demons to possess him so it wasn't just
00:40:42
the Beast anymore there were several demons um in fact according to Ed and Lorraine
00:40:48
there were 43. specific yep now after five weeks priests from the glatzels church came to the house to perform a
00:40:57
Second Blessing which I'm like guys it's not working put your water away and then
00:41:01
they did do a minor exorcism not a full one not a major one and there's also no record of them doing an exorcism
00:41:10
like a factual exorcism now ultimately the family claims that Glatt cells claim that four minor exorcisms were performed
00:41:19
on David and in one of them he stopped breathing and CPR had to be administered oh my God but the priests were
00:41:26
eventually according to them able to expel the Demonic entities that were possessing David glazel it worked
00:41:33
through the minor exorcisms okay and in the months that followed these minor exorcisms according to them things
00:41:40
started to settle a little bit but then also they claimed that David continued to have several behavioral issues and
00:41:47
psychiatric psychiatric problems and showed no improvement okay so I guess they just gave up on him
00:41:55
being possessed but like so they said he's not possessed anymore but he still has Behavior yeah which to me I'm like
00:42:01
you call a doctor can we call a doctor now because like that's what that says to me
00:42:07
but with the minor exorcisms behind them they were all concentrating on that for
00:42:12
a long time now Arne was able to devote more time to work where he was working as a tree surgeon and he was he was
00:42:19
honestly kind of relying on more work because he was support helping to support his mother sisters and cousins
00:42:24
right Debbie was also focusing on work she got a new job as a groomer at the Brookfield kennels everything seemed to
00:42:32
be going smoothly and while working there Debbie first that's where she first met 40 year old Alan Bono
00:42:39
which um and she he had recently moved to Brookfield to manage the kennel and he also managed an apartment complex
00:42:47
nearby which I guess they were both owned by his sister but he was managing them
00:42:52
now there were reports later that Arnie said he was feeling strange around this time still even though things had
00:42:58
settled he was still feeling strange and he said that he was having encounters with what he thought were demons or
00:43:05
Spirits they were trying to possess him still he said he believed that him taunting those demons and him telling
00:43:13
them to jump to him worked and that something stuck with him okay and he said at the old house he saw a demon in
00:43:20
an old well like looked him right in the face and Debbie told reporters later Cheyenne would go into a trace remember
00:43:27
Cheyenne says middle name yup yup he would go into a trance he would growl and say he saw the Beast later he would
00:43:34
have no memory of it it was just like David but they assumed it was just like leftover demon from David's exorcism I
00:43:41
guess I don't to me it sounds like a PTSD yeah I'm like what's good because those exercises whatever was going on
00:43:46
with David sounded traumatic for everyone involved and so I assume everyone's going to have some some
00:43:53
trauma after lingering yeah but they were looking at it as he was also possessed now but it doesn't sound to me
00:44:00
they didn't I couldn't find anything about them doing anything for this like Arnie was dealing with
00:44:07
this right but it was going about his day-to-day life they didn't call a priest or anything like that like you're
00:44:12
he's possessed but you're letting him like climb up to tall trees yeah so I get whatever but at the beginning of the
00:44:18
new year Arnie and Debbie moved into one of the apartments and bone in um Alan Bono's uh complex okay the guy who was
00:44:24
working at the kennel Debbie okay they had Arnie's teenage sisters Wanda and Janice and his younger cousin Mary move
00:44:31
in with them as well okay so according to Arnie's mother uh Arnie and Alan got along very well had a very friendly
00:44:39
relationship this is according to Arnie's mother and in 1981 Mary Johnson Arnie's mother told reporters he used to
00:44:46
tell me what a wonderful person Mr Bono was could have been true but on the afternoon of February 16th something
00:44:55
happened that would suggest that may not be true okay it's difficult to know exactly what happened on this day
00:45:03
because several different stories have been told and the only people that can tell the stories are the people that
00:45:10
survived the incident and they all have different stories and there's there's stories that have just changed a little
00:45:15
bit okay we're not really sure exactly what happened but on the afternoon of February 16th uh 19 year old Arne
00:45:21
Johnson and Alan Bono went to lunch at the mug and Munch Cafe in Brookfield with Arnie's sisters and 26 year old
00:45:29
Debbie glatzell his girlfriend um I think it was about three hours they all hung out there and apparently the
00:45:36
two men drank between 13 and 15 glasses of wine sorry how many 13 and 15 glasses
00:45:44
one how they were there for three hours three hours thirteen each between them between them okay so like call that 14.
00:45:51
that's seven glasses of wine each four glasses of wine is a bottle yeah they almost had two bottles of wine yeah
00:45:58
holy [ __ ] [ __ ] and apparently after that the group all left the restaurant and went down to the apartment I don't
00:46:05
think Debbie was drinking oh my God I assume they went back to the apartment to spew for days but apparently not or
00:46:12
like to go to sleep forever like oh my God now based on interviews with Debbie glatzel and Wanda Johnson who was the
00:46:19
older of the sisters yep police conclude that around 6 30 that evening Bono had Alan Bono had made some kind of Mark
00:46:28
remark about Johnson's girlfriend Debbie okay this caused an argument between the
00:46:33
two men that argument was taken outside the apartment at one point yeah uh and again they are both very
00:46:42
drunk yeah so in interviews and court documents Arne claimed that he has no memory of what happened next I believe
00:46:49
that but Debbie Wanda and several neighbors have witnessed testimonies and they said the argument continued to
00:46:55
escalate outside the apartment and then Arnie eventually pulled out a five-inch folding knife and stabbed Alan Bono four
00:47:03
times in the stomach Bono fell to the ground and Arnie allegedly walked off into the woods
00:47:10
okay and Debbie ran into back inside the apartment and she called nope not an ambulance but her father Carl
00:47:17
who arrived shortly after okay Debbie an ambulance did arrive it's unclear who called for it maybe Carl the father
00:47:24
maybe but the ambulance driver testified that he found Alan Bono lying face up in
00:47:29
the parking lot alive but badly injured from four half-moon-shaped stab wounds below his rib cage why would they be
00:47:37
half moon shaped it must have been some kind of curved blade oh okay as they looked at his injuries and were trying
00:47:43
to get him on the stretcher the ambulance driver overheard Debbie glatzel tell her father Oh Daddy he
00:47:49
didn't mean to do it you know how he gets when he's been drinking oh he like possessed yeah yeah yeah
00:47:56
later in an interview with police Carl glatzel would tell investigators Cheyenne did it
00:48:02
so there was no question here that that he did Barney did this Cheyenne Ernie did
00:48:09
this there is an ambulance driver who heard her telling her father you know how he
00:48:15
gets when he's drinking uh-huh just putting that out there now Alan Bono was taken to Danbury Hospital
00:48:21
remember he is alive at this point but he was pronounced dead at the hospital no I was hoping you were gonna say he
00:48:26
survived police were given Arnie's description and he was found only about an hour later he was only a couple miles
00:48:32
away uh he was charged with the stabbing and now murder and taken to Bridgeport Correctional Center and held on 125 000
00:48:40
Bond so to the Brookfield police this murder was pretty straightforward it was a drunken argument that got out of
00:48:49
control with a very tragic outcome and there were multiple Witnesses but only days after Arnie's arrest Ed and
00:48:56
Lorraine Lauren began promoting the story that it may have appeared that Arnie killed Alan Bono but he had only
00:49:02
done so because he was possessed by a demonic entity oh and not just one but demonic entity he was possessed by many
00:49:10
demonic entities never even like if he was I just feel like it's not a good idea to insert yourself in the middle of
00:49:17
a murder that's the problem here is like I don't know if this was a great idea like yeah no idea no it's not it's not
00:49:24
maybe he was possessed like perhaps if you feel that way you can but even so he murdered someone he murdered someone and
00:49:32
like you there's you can't blame them no that's pretty black and white he murdered someone and um Ed Warren said
00:49:38
that Arnie made a big error when he challenged those demons to leave David's body and come into his own
00:49:45
no I think he made a big error when he drank multiple bottles of wine and then killed someone and then killed someone
00:49:51
and Lorraine told reporters he never realized there were so many demons in the boy 43 as we found out
00:49:58
but like how do you think you're gonna prove that don't worry they're not uh they I don't even think they know how
00:50:05
they're going to prove it but ever since that whole thing happened they had claimed that Arnie had been under that
00:50:10
demonic influence that wanted to hurt the glatzel family and ruin Arnie's life for challenging them Lorraine said we
00:50:18
knew this case would end in tragedy but Arnie was the last one we would have thought that's what this would happen to
00:50:23
the demon used Arnie to achieve to achieve at school it wanted to really destroy this young man's life oh my God
00:50:30
I'm sorry that's so [ __ ] distasteful yeah I think it's gross I think that's disgusting I think it's really gross
00:50:35
like you're sitting there saying that a demon wanted to ruin Arnie's life when Arnie just took the life of another
00:50:40
human being yeah like that's making a mockery of that man's murder what's interesting is that Lorraine added also
00:50:47
that he was definitely he might have been possessed at the time of the murder a few days earlier but she and Ed didn't
00:50:54
believe that he was still possessed just a few days later when they gave their he
00:50:57
was like no like this happens quick well yeah I mean the demon had already ruined
00:51:01
his life so then he just like [ __ ] up and did it to somebody else but uh the considerable lengths that the Warrens
00:51:07
and the glatzels claimed to have gone through to literally exercise 43 demons out of David glatzel
00:51:13
that's wild that they went through all those lengths to get them out of David but and they just like 40 demons just
00:51:20
voluntarily just took off they just dipped out right after like yeah I don't know just like
00:51:27
Rachel don't dip out yeah I don't think those demons can dip out now under normal circumstances investigators would
00:51:34
have very quickly dismissed any of these claims of demonic influence but because
00:51:39
there was involvement of the Catholic Diocese of Bridgeport in the previous minor exorcisms the investigators kind
00:51:46
of took a beat to think about this I have to go at a time when nearly one-third of Americans reported some
00:51:52
participation in the Catholic Church the involvement of the church did give this
00:51:56
claim more credibility and people in the faith would have taken this claim in this case very seriously in brookfield's
00:52:04
police Sergeant John Lucas told reporters as a basic religious precept it's all possible in this case I'm just
00:52:11
not sure I'm keeping an open mind uh-huh so I think they were essentially trying to be like we're not discounting
00:52:17
it because they didn't want to piss everyone off okay now people went wild and there was a flood of inquiries
00:52:25
coming in after the Warrens made that statement about demonic possession to the press and in response the Diocese of
00:52:31
Bridgeport confirmed that they had received a request for help from the glatzel family and had assigned Reverend
00:52:38
Francis Francis virgilac of Stamford to investigate for possible diabolical possession of the boy according to the
00:52:47
diocese that Reverend had not yet returned a report on the investigation of the glatzel family and he had been
00:52:55
sent on assignment out of country shortly before this whole thing so he couldn't even be reached for comment
00:53:02
this was the only statement the Diocese of Bridgeport would make on this case and they set a formal exorcism had never
00:53:09
been approved and had never happened and then they were very silent on the matter
00:53:13
they would not talk about it again huh they were like nope probably a good choice now while Arne Johnson sat in
00:53:19
Bridgeport Correctional Center awaiting his trial the Warrens kept the story going within a week of the murder they
00:53:26
had appeared on a number of television shows radio shows claiming Arnie's case would be the first in American legal
00:53:32
history in which an accused murderer will argue that he was possessed wow Ernie's court appointed lawyer
00:53:40
George Tim refused to comment on these claims but it didn't really matter because he was soon kicked out of there
00:53:46
and was replaced by Martin Manila who was a young private attorney who was very excited to work on this case and
00:53:54
did it pro bono oh [ __ ] yeah so on March 19th a grand jury weighed the evidence and witness
00:54:01
testimony and returned an indictment after only 25 minutes of deliberation by now he was being represented by Martin
00:54:09
Manila who seemed to really be into this media attention and following his indictment Manila announced that he was
00:54:17
intending he was going to intend to argue Arnie's actions were the result of demonic possession he was ready to go
00:54:24
forward with this according to Manila the defense would require quote psychic experts from all over the country and
00:54:30
from England which could be very costly so a defense fund has been set up to cover the costs associated with this
00:54:36
strategy what about [ __ ] fun to help uh oh my God I'm just like Tim's family the
00:54:43
victim's family exactly now obviously Martin manella's defense plan immediately attracted a lot of attention
00:54:50
from the press all over the country why they all just wanted to see how this was
00:54:54
going to play out in a real court of law and a trial for murder remember and of course everyone wondered whether the
00:55:01
diocese who were still committed to being silent on this matter would actually be called to testify or would
00:55:07
have to offer any proof of their participation in the supposed minor exorcisms of David right Manila really
00:55:15
played into it telling reporters I hope the priests will have enough moral conscience to come forward
00:55:23
a choice Okay Glass House a choice Okay Glass House morals you say in a New York
00:55:30
Times article he was quoted as saying the courts have dealt with the existence of God now they're going to have to deal
00:55:35
with the existence of the devil I literally must this is real I that is the thing that is absolutely
00:55:43
mind-boggling yep now like Martin Ed and Lorraine Warren were also very frustrated with the Catholic Diocese
00:55:51
refusal to confirm or validate any of their claims Ed said the church is acting like they've committed a crime
00:55:58
and then he said he feared the diocese would quote scatter the priests involved to the Four Winds to avoid having them
00:56:05
testify this is all very very intense oh so theatrical ghost meanwhile a ton of clergy members were speaking against the
00:56:13
case like actively good pointing out that supposed cases of demonic possession are many times the result of
00:56:20
mental illness requiring an actual doctor and not a priest I have to say I'm kind of surprised right I'm
00:56:26
impressed yeah and impressed exactly according to the New York Times article referenced above at the time of this
00:56:31
case a Gallup poll showed 34 percent of adults believe that the devil is a personal being who directs evil forces
00:56:39
and influences people to do wrong 34 so this was a time when this defense and this kind of
00:56:46
Panic would have really been a thing it would have really like gotten everybody up in arms do you hear me blinking yeah
00:56:55
blink blink so by the end of March the case had made headlines everywhere but not because of the murder and because
00:57:03
it's a horrific murder and the tragic loss it was about it was gaining attention more because of the Warrens
00:57:09
and Martin Manila and important to note as a point for the Skeptics out there because we're trying to tell both sides
00:57:15
here yeah during the five weeks of David's ordeal his diabolical possessions seemed to manifest as it was
00:57:22
being told by people in ways that were very similar to those of one Reagan McNeil
00:57:27
from a film The Exorcist okay uh interestingly the family had allegedly watched the film pretty shortly before
00:57:35
any of this had happened when you said they saw him levitating on his bed I was like oh yeah did they also the glatzels
00:57:41
said they were put in contact with the Warrens by that unnamed priest at their Church who was never named but Debbie
00:57:47
glatzel had attended at least one of the Warrens lectures before they were involved in this family's case so she
00:57:53
was definitely aware of them blink blink all of this is not to say that this is a
00:57:59
hoax fraud anything else no you're just telling both it's just putting more facts into this case just so you can see
00:58:05
the full picture here again doesn't mean anything just interesting the church and investigators
00:58:12
were staying pretty silent but the Warrens and Manila were sharing their story with as many TV cameras as they
00:58:18
could get in front of the Warren spoke of their close working relationship with the Catholic Church told reporters
00:58:24
there's a great deal of respect between us and them but the church would not confirm or deny this
00:58:30
and actually he said I don't know her they said I don't know about that also while the diocese refused to discuss the
00:58:37
matter with reporters they were willing to tell the Press quote no no formal exorcism was ever asked for or performed
00:58:46
that's interesting not asked for yikes so in June 1981 George kresky a mentalist who performed under the name
00:58:56
the amazing creskin he accused the Warrens of preying on a superstitious public and he said this is all to
00:59:03
promote themselves and increase revenues for their lectures and he said quote they have an excellent Vaudeville act
00:59:09
it's just that this case more involves clinical psychologists than it does them I love Vaudeville that's hilarious the
00:59:16
Warrens peers within the Paranormal research Community also were very critical of their behavior really a
00:59:22
paranormal researcher named Robert piles said the Warrens haven't contributed one
00:59:27
bit to the settling of pandemonium in this case in fact they may have even caused some of it I mean that I agree
00:59:33
with I'll say that and as for Manila the Manila the lawyer his peers in the legal
00:59:38
Community were slamming him about this a lawyer from Connecticut told the Hartford current Marty manila manila is
00:59:44
handling this case for Marty Manila yeah it sounds like it I also saw some pictures that are truly questionable
00:59:51
David golub a lawyer in Stamford Connecticut also agreed with this he told reporters this case is not being
00:59:58
treated seriously by the legal Community lawyers know that it's extremely unlikely that a Connecticut jury will
01:00:03
accept a demon possession defense Manila only seemed to gain Steam from his haters he said I took this case
01:00:11
because I believe in it they told Columbus that the world was flat but that didn't stop him
01:00:19
get better Heroes it's like when Gilmore Girls when I think it's Rory when they're like doing a student like um
01:00:26
they have to come up with like a royal thing like a kingdom sure school like a dynasty and I think at one point Rory is
01:00:33
like well King Henry VIII did this like separated from the church you know like made his own church and I think Paris is
01:00:40
like yeah he also beheaded two of his wives how much of a role model do you want me to make this guy yeah exactly
01:00:45
literally how we feel about that statement I love it but the Brookfield Police Department was also receiving
01:00:51
dozens of letters and correspondence mostly from concerned citizens of brookfields who were angry that Manila
01:00:58
and the Warrens had used this case to cause so much chaos in their Community yeah I'd be pissed they had never had a
01:01:03
murder before wow Brookfield this was the first so it was like this was a sleepy Town it wasn't like this was and
01:01:08
it was causing a lot of disruption yeah now in the end all of this was really for naught because on October 28th the
01:01:17
first day of Arnie's trial Superior Court Judge Robert Callahan refused to allow a defense of demonic possession
01:01:24
I'm so glad to hear that he said evidence of demonic possession is simply not relevant and he said his decision
01:01:30
came after Manila announced his intent to call several priests and other experts to stand and prove that quote
01:01:36
there is such thing as demonic possession and it does in fact exist that isn't what is on trial here right
01:01:43
and Callahan says he based his decision on the fact that no that such a defense could not be reliable and could actually
01:01:50
mislead the jury it's so opinion based he said it would be incompetent evidence and I would not allow it good for him it
01:01:56
is it's all the opinion based that's the thing and it can't be proved right like
01:02:00
there's no tangible thing to prove it now apparently Manila which I'm shocked that he's shocked he was shocked by the
01:02:06
judge's decisions to disallow the demon defense which I'm like were you really shocked by that my guy and after asking
01:02:12
for a recess to now come up with a new defense strategy he went right back to it anyway he actually decided to go
01:02:19
against the judge and it smear his reputation he told reporters outside the court court he may have to disqualify
01:02:26
himself and then he accused the judge of prejudice and anti-catholic bias I don't
01:02:32
think that's going to help you win the case here dude like what also I love it luckily the judge Callahan was not
01:02:39
rocked At All by then he stood by his decision to Bar the demonic possession thing and he also
01:02:45
added that even if Manila could prove demonic possession which you can't he said it would not affect the intent of
01:02:51
the crime and he said any testimony relating to possession would only be rooted in subjective religious beliefs
01:02:58
not scientific fact yeah and there's also no law that says like we can acquit you if you were possessed at the time of
01:03:04
murder where is the separation between search church and state here you can't do that uh-huh I feel like there isn't
01:03:10
one after all of this was done the case went on pretty normally because now it's
01:03:15
just a murder trial yeah exactly what it should be the prosecutor Walter Flanagan
01:03:19
presented his case as he always had planned to do which was Arne Johnson in a drunken rage stabbed Alan Bono in the
01:03:27
stomach four times after Bono allegedly made a derogatory remark about his girlfriend the evidence offered in
01:03:34
support of this claim was the five-inch folding knife found at the scene that belonged to him he was also known to use
01:03:40
it Berkeley it was his yeah it was now covered in blood and hair matching bonus blood type oh that's sad incredible
01:03:46
Witnesses were called by the prosecution this included the state's Chief toxicologist who testified that Bono him
01:03:52
said the victim had a heavy concentration of alcohol in the blood sample taken at the time of his death
01:03:58
uh server was also called to testify from the mug and Munch Cafe and they said both Arne and Alan had
01:04:06
been served a large number of drinks on the Afternoon Of The Murder but forensic
01:04:10
experts admitted that while Arnie was almost certainly drunk at the time of the murder they were like absolutely it
01:04:15
was Bono who had consumed a lot more of the wine at the cafe he was more drunk now other Witnesses included Debbie
01:04:23
glatzel and Arnie's sister Wanda who gave their pretty straightforward accounts of the day's events there was
01:04:29
also some people who reported that Arne did have previously drunk and aggressive
01:04:35
behavior that they had witnessed well Debbie said to her father allegedly exactly that was true now unable to use
01:04:41
that airtight demonic possession defense Manila just said that it was self-defense which is a pretty normal
01:04:48
defense to mount I would say I'm actually surprised he didn't go after the restaurant yeah that would have even
01:04:54
made more sense than demonic [ __ ] possession but I think honestly the restaurant was like Alan drank more
01:04:58
actually so um but he claimed a drunken Allen Bono instigated a violent conference
01:05:05
confrontation with Arnie and Arnie killed Bono in defense of himself and his family
01:05:10
there were claims made that Alan Bono had attempted to grab the youngest Mary who was nine at the time like like
01:05:18
helter and like not let her go um I don't know why like just during the confrontation had grabbed her and
01:05:24
wouldn't have let her go and this that's alleged yeah but and he they were claiming this was also what set arnia
01:05:31
like an aggravating factor which would be an aggravating Factor that's his nine-year-old niece absolutely or um
01:05:36
sister cousin but sorry but obviously we only have the accounts of whoever survived here right go off of
01:05:43
nevertheless Manila still found a way to put in some demonic stuff fomo like a little bit by calling several local
01:05:51
priests as character Witnesses but when he called them the judge judge Callahan said you better tread very lightly with
01:05:59
your questioning like he was like don't even test me dude Melinda he's also like
01:06:02
I'll just [ __ ] throw the jury out so they don't hear it out like but before sending the jury out for deliberation
01:06:08
judge Callahan did say to them they should only consider the evidence presented in court and ignore anything
01:06:14
they may have known about the much publicized demon possession defense um because it had been promoted so
01:06:22
heavily before this trial well and it sounds like even in the media too exactly now despite the warnings there
01:06:28
was really no way that this jury wasn't going to be able to think about that a little bit I was gonna say that it was
01:06:33
months of like Sensational coverage by the Warrens by Manila and just 50 minutes after going for deliberation
01:06:40
they sent word to the judge that they were hopelessly deadlocked I had a feeling you were going to say that and
01:06:46
in response Callahan told the jury he said I would like you to remember the chip Smith charge which is the
01:06:53
Connecticut case in which a deadlocked jury managed to reach a conviction when the jurors and the minority chose to
01:06:59
quote respect the intelligence of those in the majority and consider their views
01:07:04
carefully hmm the jury agreed and they went back to deliberate more and on 16 hours later
01:07:10
they found Arne Johnson guilty of manslaughter not murder um because it didn't seem like it was
01:07:18
planned it seemed like it was In the Heat of the Moment it truly did seem like that and according to several jury
01:07:23
members their decision on the manslaughter charge was really due to their belief that Arnie had possibly
01:07:29
only intended to injure Alan and not actually kill him okay which when you look at it it's a messy situation who
01:07:37
knows if that was the intent it certainly didn't seem like it was planned out no it was certainly in a
01:07:42
spur of the moment angry violent Comfort confrontation that this happened which doesn't excuse any of it but it's a
01:07:48
different situation than straight up first degree murder um Arnie came back to court on December
01:07:53
18 1981 for sentencing and judge Callahan imposed the maximum sentence allowed under Connecticut state law
01:08:00
which was 10 to 20 years in prison oh wow yeah he said it was Arnie's lack of apparent remorse as his reasoning for
01:08:08
imposing the maximum sentence oh he didn't seem sorry he said I do not assume the powers of God but you took a
01:08:14
human life and you showed no acknowledgment of guilt and little remorse and as this was said Debbie
01:08:19
glatzel shouted that's sick and then stormed out of the courtroom yeah that is sick and you haven't shown any
01:08:25
remorse it's also sick to stab a man four times in the stomach and leave him to die and it's also sick to call your
01:08:31
dad instead of an ambulance for said guy yeah but okay Debbie uh Manila apparently he filed an appeal of course
01:08:39
on the sentence uh but in March 1982 the P the appeal was withdrawn at Arnie's request oh
01:08:47
um Arnie's defense team released a statement saying Arne didn't want to appeal and he consulted with his family
01:08:52
and made the decision okay so I'll give a little bit of I was gonna say now no longer confined by the restrictions of
01:09:01
the Connecticut Superior Court the story of Arne Johnson's supposed demonic possession definitely grew into a legend
01:09:09
now in 1983 Friends of the Warrens Gerald brittle published The Devil in Connecticut which was a allegedly
01:09:18
non-fictional account of the Johnson case the book is interesting her face says something that same year
01:09:27
the devil in Connecticut was adapted into the demon murder case which was a made-for-tv movie which stars Lois
01:09:34
Leachman Kevin Bacon and Andy Griffith oh [ __ ] so that happened Ernie Johnson began serving his sentence
01:09:40
in December 1981 at the Connecticut correctional institution in Somers Connecticut in January 1985 Arne married
01:09:48
longtime girlfriend Debbie glatzel in a ceremony at the correctional institute beautiful just two months later Arnie
01:09:56
was granted early release after serving only five years five [ __ ] years in January 1986. the parole boards board
01:10:05
cited that he was a model prisoner and that was the reason for his decision in 2007 Carl glatzell Jr the third
01:10:15
glatzel child and David glatzel who was the subject of the demonic possession they filed a civil suit against Gerald
01:10:23
brittle an iuniverse publishing in an attempt to stop them from republishing the devil in Connecticut wow
01:10:30
um which the author admits in court documents is a quote fictionalized account of David and Carl glatzel's past
01:10:37
lives but it was being marketed as non-fiction among other things I guess the suit says that brittle's book
01:10:43
included considerable false and defamatory subject matter and unreasonably and seriously interfered
01:10:49
feared with the plant plaintiff's interest in not having their Private Affairs known to others yeah now
01:10:55
according to Carl in The Years following the trial both he and David were like they had a lot of difficulty in school I
01:11:02
would think so yeah mocked shunned and later they had difficulty getting jobs because of all the notoriety that had
01:11:08
come from this whole thing that's [ __ ] up and it had all so exasperated exacerbated excuse me David's mental
01:11:14
health issues of course and he was he was continuing to struggle because in the press that hurts didn't give a [ __ ]
01:11:20
so it's like I feel for them that sucks and the civil suit also really like deepened the rift between Carl and David
01:11:27
and the rest of the family because David and Arnie maintained that the story from
01:11:31
the Warrens is entirely true so there's two very different versions of this wait so David and Arnie said
01:11:38
that it was they maintained that it was true no David and um I might have said David I'm sorry I meant Debbie and Arnie
01:11:44
oh Debbie um so David and Carl are saying this is being highly you know exaggerated right
01:11:51
there are real issues here that we would like to not continuously have to deal with yeah we'd like them to remain
01:11:58
private yeah and David and Arnie are saying because like the obviously the details are already out and there's been
01:12:04
several things about it but they would just they're like I would like it to not be that like I that my my um my brother
01:12:12
was possessed by a demon yeah we do not know what the hell was going on but then
01:12:16
can we not all just agree that that's what happened but then Debbie and our near Debbie and Arnie are saying that is
01:12:21
absolutely what happened and the Warrens are telling the truth so Lorraine Warren also was very
01:12:26
dismissive of Carl and David's civil suit she said it was ridiculous and she said the book was based on statements
01:12:33
made by the children's parents and she also cited the involvement of six unnamed priests the priests as evidence
01:12:40
of the book's legitimacy I think six unnamed priests should be a band name I like I think that's a cool band I like
01:12:47
that also it's like I love that she's sitting there being like yeah well your parents made statements to this guy and
01:12:53
David's like yeah [ __ ] I'm the one that was supposedly possessed yeah like can you please listen to me yeah
01:12:59
unfortunately in the end the Court ruled in favor of brittle really and dismissed
01:13:04
the case they said first the subject matter of the book The Devil in Connecticut concerns the Supernatural
01:13:10
and demonic possession such matters cannot be proven objectionally true for true or false and thus are matters of
01:13:16
opinion which unfortunately is true second an inquiry into the allegations would entail an excessive entanglement
01:13:21
into religious and Theological question in violation of The Establishment Clause
01:13:26
of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution but could they not prove that it was defamatory I guess not
01:13:32
and it's like I that I I feel for them I do too because like that's really shitty
01:13:37
that is their life do you know whatever ended up happening to David uh I do not actually I hope he's I hope I hope I
01:13:45
didn't look too far into it because I'm hoping he's living a very was able to live a normal and private
01:13:53
life and you know yeah I'm just hoping that they at least could yeah I want to make you know what separate from it it
01:13:59
makes sense that you didn't look into it because it seems like he wanted to go there so yeah yeah it feels like
01:14:05
whatever he's doing now I hope he's doing great me too and Carl Jr and everybody else right wow
01:14:12
I think um Debbie passed away before The Conjuring movie came out so I know she is no longer alive uh Arnie I
01:14:23
believe is and I think he got a job so yeah I mean hopefully he led a better life he and hopefully he still feels
01:14:30
sorry that he murdered yeah it's a really sad all-around case it's sad it's it's strange it's confusing
01:14:37
yeah and I did a good job telling it though I was never confused thank you I don't think Ed and Lorraine Warren
01:14:42
helped this case at all I know they caused a big mess and I I don't I don't like it you know it gives me gross
01:14:50
feelings I don't like it it gives the Yucca taste in the mouth yeah just and I think a lot of people in the Paranormal
01:14:56
Community don't like their involvement in this either so I think it's it's kind of like a on them a big a big yeah but
01:15:05
wow yeah so that is The Conjuring case the devil made me do a case interesting case it is a sad one so because the
01:15:13
other thing is too when you look into Alan Bono there's not a lot about him you can't find a lot about his life so
01:15:19
yeah um that's like a sad part of it too that he kind of got lost in The Fray yeah and
01:15:24
it sounds like he was really young when he died yeah he was only in his 40s yeah
01:15:27
that's so sad and he was just you know managing a kennel right managing an apartment complex his sister owned he
01:15:33
seemed like a friendly guy yeah I don't know about the reports of him grabbing the nine-year-old I don't know what
01:15:38
that's all about again very alleged we don't have any proof of it but you know that's why you don't everybody
01:15:46
don't drink that much bad things happen when people drink that much and if it doesn't happen outwardly it's happening
01:15:52
inwardly exactly holy [ __ ] leave that amount of wine yeah that's that's what shocked me like a lot
01:16:00
damn I had like two glasses and I'm like oh I have one glass of wine and I will be sick yeah like I can't oh my God but
01:16:08
yeah wow well that was a good one and as always we hope you keep listening and we
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hope you keep it weird bye but oh but not so weird that any of that but yeah no foreign
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