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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] part two of Jack the Ripper yeah part
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two of uh a few parts I'm I'm gonna say yeah we did say that I think we told you
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it was gonna be four maybe we said that like yeah I think I said it was probably
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gonna be four probably gonna be five might be five but here's my thoughts okay uh we gave Albert Fish four parts
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and this is Jack the Ripper I feel like it deserves a little more yeah well there's more victims involved and
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there's like you had to set up London as the team you had some really like cool asides yeah cool they were actually like
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horrifying but but interesting to hear about you know it's this case the K it's one of those cases where the character
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no not the character where the setting is also like almost like a character in this in the story exactly like that's
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this has a lot to it a lot of like the police force at the time a lot of like inner workings and what was going on
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with all that and like there's just so much going on and there was so much you know there was so many news reports
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about this the media plays a big role in it it was the letters that we haven't even gotten to yet because they haven't
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even been sent yet the Ripper letters right he hasn't even named Jack the Ripper yet like this is there's so much
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that it's a saga and it was when it was on when it was ongoing you know yeah it truly is
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so we'll see if I can wrap it up in four I will try to do so but not at the expense of giving all the information
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that's how I feel okay um so here we are so when we last left you a part one uh Marianne Nichols or Paulie as she was
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known to those who loved her was found brutally mutilated and killed yeah uh at this point too the new head of the
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investigation of the criminal investigation department of the Metropolitan Police Robert Anderson has
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been told by a doctor that he needs to take I said two weeks off I actually double checked I was wrong it was two
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months he was told to take off oh wow yeah he was told to take off two full months and go on holiday do not do work
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because you might die you know it's funny I was thinking when you originally said it I was like wow two weeks I was
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just gonna like bring him his life back okay just here it is I was like where do
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they think he's going yeah no he's going for two months he told him you were and
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I guess I did read in a couple of sources that the doctor actually said after those two months I will happily
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write you another month on top of that like another note saying you need another month damn but it was not at a
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great time because this happened as soon as the murder started yeah and he had just got the job he had just taken the
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job oh that that doesn't look so good no I mean he was definitely doing a ton of
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other he was like doing spy work and [ __ ] before this so he was like that's why he came into it so over exhausted
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but he gives you yeah he gives Capricorn energy he does a little bit so you're like shut the [ __ ] up I figured we would
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start part two by going into a another thing just so you can have background on what we're talking about a lot of these
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places in fact almost all of these places that we are going to be talking about where victims were found or seen
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last um You're Gonna Hear spittle Fields a lot um spittle was actually a name for a
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type of Hospital spittle oh uh it was actually I think it was like a charitable hospital where like they did
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this for free they would take care of people who couldn't pay for medical care um so the fields east of the Saint Mary
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spittle it's called was which was founded in 1197 by the way my goodness yes uh we're where the spittle fields
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got their name okay and so there's apparently this beautiful and like very imposing and just like Gothic looking
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church called Christ Church that still stands there today and was here in that spot during the Ripper crimes like you
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could go to this spot and be like this was here during all of that love it um and it's or it's basically around
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that is spitalfield markets and other businesses and a lot of Ripper locations are in spitalfields so Dorset Street
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where where we've already mentioned that street it's where a lot of the lodging homes were and where a lot of the women
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were killed that were killed by fact the Ripper were on it or out and about on Dorset Street it was considered one of
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the worst streets at the time and very dangerous but like what street wasn't in London he considered one of the worst
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and very dangerous it's true well London itself had a whole other end that wasn't
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as dangerous yeah like the White Chapel area was definitely like just seedy gnarly uh but door there were certain
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streets that were like you turned down that's those were the streets that the police wouldn't go down by themselves
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right right so that Dorset Street was one of those um Annie Chapman who we're going to talk
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about um is found murdered on Hanbury Street which is also part of spitalfields uh
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fashion street is where Catherine eddos we will talk about her in part three where she was staying and also where we
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see Elizabeth's stride staying with a man for some time we'll talk about her too
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um there there was just everywhere the spittle field is Fields is a huge part of this story The Ten Bells Pub still
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stands today and was possibly the last place Annie Chapman was seen it's just crazy like you can literally
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go there and be like whoa like this is where to sit there it would be so heavy it would just to think like this is the
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last place she was seen right like alive with somebody that's a lot um so I was excited when I was You Know You See
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spittle Fields over and over again I was excited to be able to bring Ghost into this so I was waiting for you to and I
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wasn't gonna steal your thunder and make a comment because that's your band baby
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but I was like she's not saying anything about spitalfields yeah no of course I am uh it happened to fit perfectly that
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there is a song on their latest album one of which I love this is one of my favorite songs on the album can confirm
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called respite on the spittle fields and I had to look into this because of course what could that mean and when you
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listen to the lyrics you're like all right what's this about um apparently Tobias has said it's about
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the aftermath of Jack the Ripper and it's very obvious when you know that um he said it's all based on the fear
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that prevailed because of the fact that he was not identified uh he said in an interview you know the fact that he was
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never identified it says which meant that even though he had technically stopped killing at some point they were
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never sure that he was not going to do it again so for a long time after there must have been fear especially among
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women that it could happen again because you don't know where he is you don't know where he's hiding you don't know
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what happened right so we'll get into the aftermath of the Ripper murders and probably part four five four five
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whichever one we end on uh when we talk about theories and suspects we're going to talk about how the aftermath was but
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the song has lyrics like you know he sliced and diced our dreams to peace to pieces and the moon and the gutter has a
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story to tell one day he will come back from the bowels of hell so creepy so heavy when you actually
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dive into this case and when you realize what it's about because I we listen it goes to like all the time in the car
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like when we take our little morning drives for coffee and I've heard this song a million times but then you were
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saying the other day you're like this is about Jack the Ripper and I listened closer and I was like holy [ __ ] yeah
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it's just it's the even the music yeah kind of brings you there it's like a really well done like homage to that
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time I think and then they say like they're leaving London yeah we're leaving the city like goodbye Seven
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Sisters which is like a road in London like there's there's a lot of it I'd suggest you go listen to it especially
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since you're listening to this series right now it'll get you in the mood it definitely got me in the mood yeah it's
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a good song um I may come back to this song later in part three-ish maybe when we talk more about police and the
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shenanigans that arose around this case we're gonna we're gonna touch upon that in this one too
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um but there's a lyric that I also so wondered maybe referring to Sir Charles Warren who led the Metro metropolitan
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police force during these crimes but that was just kind of an interesting look into spittle fields and a good song
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related to it basically and I'll tell you the lyric that I think might be referencing him but it was like when I
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want to wait a little bit until we get there will we get there today um I don't know if we'll get there today I should
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you know what I'll give you the lyrics because why should I make you wait so there's a lyric that says you know uh
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the king that we hailed was The Wizard of Oz like we found out that the king we healed the thing about Sir Charles
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Warren and I'm going to go into him right now actually so that it works kind of work out is that he everyone had such
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high hopes for him and I think he probably could have done a little better but I think he had a lot of bad uh hand
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stealth tomb for sure but he didn't handle some big events very well okay and so I think people were so ready for
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this guy to come in and organize this police force and get whip him into shape and then it just fell apart and to me
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it's like the king we held was The Wizard of Oz like he kind of was The Wizard of Oz where it was all smoke and
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mirrors and it behind the scenes it was a mess that makes sense but I don't know
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I don't know can can we ask Tobias at some point maybe that'd be so cool can I just ask him like what did that mean did
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that means Sir Charles Warren that's on manifesting that is on manifesting I want to be able to talk to him about
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this case so badly maybe you'll get the opportunity someday I hope so man uh Tobias you hear that uh so you're
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listening right below so so quick little side track about Sir Charles Warren while we are on that uh just so you know
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because he's going to come up a lot in this and I don't want you to be like who's that guy like I said he was
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appointed Chief Commissioner of police for the metropolitan police force in March 1886. he was a major general in
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the Royal engineers and his militaristic ways were definitely something that made
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him a prime candidate for the job he was given he was actually the third choice for this job right you know details
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third time is the charm they got him so he was there to put them all in their place essentially because the
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metropolitan police force was a [ __ ] wreck like there was just Noah there was a lot of disrespect there was a lot of
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distrust low morale amongst the ranks I mean a woman had walked past them like bleeding out with her intestines on the
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side and they didn't notice her yeah they just didn't know that about wraps that up so I guess Sir Charles Warren
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came in he commanded respect he gave it back sometimes and he he ran a tight ship and he wanted to wear and he wanted
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to keep exactly so I had to you had to so he kind of got the ranks in order he people knew what they were expected to
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do when he came in at least that was something that happened but unfortunately he also had a really Rocky
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start and really finished to the role there um Bloody Sunday November 13 1887 was
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one thing that really just popped a jagged hole in his tenure as commissioner I would say if something's
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gonna do it it is Bloody Sunday something called bloody anything is really gonna do it I'm not gonna get
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into like the minute details here because we would be here for another episode on just Bloody Sunday if I did
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that maybe another time maybe another time uh I'm just gonna give you a quick overview so you know why people had a
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lot of distrust after this uh Trafalgar Square where uh Marion Nichols was arrested sleeping in oh okay um was
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actually a place where a lot of protests and Gatherings happened often and Warren
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was worried that you know the Gathering of minds and ideas was going to threaten
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good Society he was worried that they were going to come together and they were going to just like Riot and
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something bad was gonna happen so he was like I gotta stop this so he asked the Home Secretary Henry uh Henry
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Matthews to ban all gatherings in the Square so Henry Matthews took a while to actually like respond to this because
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again there's a lot of weird [ __ ] happening in this police force there's a lot of like egos there's a lot of like I
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like this guy and now you're in his spot oh we're not gonna listen to you always
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so he took a while to answer that but after a couple of months he agreed and he was like sure let's ban gatherings in
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the square and when he did commissioner Warren announced this ban was going into
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effect several groups found this to be unfair and planned a large Gathering to protest
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it in the Square on November 13th in preparation for this Warren stationed 4 000 constables 300 Mountain mounted
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policemen 300 mounted lifeguards armed foot guards and more in the Square that's a lot I'm sure it probably comes
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to zero surprise to anybody listening right now that [ __ ] got violent and bloody very quickly of course so
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needless to say he was not beloved after this no then with the Ripper murders things were just getting worse
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foreign [Music] so if you know me you know that I really do I do love a good compliment it feels
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good to get a compliment when you're just walking down the street singing looking at my rothies look at my rothies
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these are cute have you ever seen somebody wearing a colorful pair of flats and you thought oh my God those
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are so cute well those were definitely rothies in my opinion rothies are the perfect shoes for commuting and
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traveling because everyone notices them they're known for their Chic pointed toe
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flats but honey that is just the beginning they have tons of iconic head turning designs there's bright but like
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still at the same time sophisticated colors and rothy's works with every single outfit wear them with yoga pants
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or dress them up for a night out they are completely comfortable like insanely comfortable I feel like I'm wearing
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slippers half the time as soon as you take your first step you think ah that really is more like it and
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rothies takes sustainability to the next level all of their products are knit with thread that's made from plastic
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water bottles they've actually repurposed about 125 million water bottles so far and it's just crazy to
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think that like these shoes are so cute and they're also kind of saving the planet at the same time I also am just
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like amazed at how comfortable these are if you wear flats you know that like nine out of 10 times you're gonna be
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blister City I never got a single blister when I had my raffies on the first time I wore them nope never never
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not once they're so comfortable they're super cute I seriously get complimented all the time and one of the things I
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read you like an internal memo that he wrote about them that like oh I was like Charles he's you're not
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you're not killing it bro yeah so after the murder of Paulie Nichols it was inspector Frederick George aberleen an
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inspector Edmund Reed who really on the ground investigating this case to just the nth degree those names do sound
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familiar I was gonna say probably more than Edmund Reed I would say inspector aberleen is some someone that
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everybody's yup that's the one that I read yeah I was gonna say that's somebody that a lot of people like
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connect with this case with for good reason now when Marianne monk who was nichols's
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friend and the one who helped identify her said to aberleen you know she has a husband
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estranged but she has a husband yeah he might know something aberleen immediately located him to bring him to
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the uh the inquest yeah it was in front of the inquest that they were like hey you need to bring this guy in and
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Abilene was like can have him by Monday and he had him by Monday so he's on it yeah so we're going to talk more about
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aberleene later for sure so this brings us to September 8th 1888. the day after Robert Anderson the new
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assistant commissioner of the CID has taken a doctor ordered holiday to Switzerland oh man yeah on this morning
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you are now going to meet John Davis hello John John Davis is a 56 year old Carmen who worked for leadon Hall Ledon
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Hall Market I hope that's how you say it or lead in Hall I'll say leaden Hall it
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sounds better let it hold does sound better yeah he worked for leadon Hall Market living in a lodging home at 29
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Hanbury Street in spitalfields he was living in the third floor attic with his wife and three sons they had moved into
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this lodging home three weeks prior and since living there they had learned that
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often sex workers would haggle with and bring their clientele into the yard outside of the building and he would
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often have to kind of like shoo them away that was just like part of his daily routine
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interesting time very interesting time the yard in the back of the home had a gate that was never locked it was just a
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gate and actually most sources I saw were like we don't even know if it did lock yikes so it was an easy area for
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people to just trample through or to bring clients to or to what was called Sleep rough which was sleeping outside
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okay and it was kind of like a through way that people would just use so they roughen it stomp through this yard do
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people say rough in it no roughing it yeah yeah like if you're going camping you're like roughing it yeah okay it
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used to be called Sleep rough when you were sleeping outside yeah uh this lodging home was one that you would
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typically find in this area in the East End it had eight rooms and there were 17
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people living in them so very cramped quarters you would say so the previous evening September 7th he said he went to
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sleep around 8pm and he woke up quote from 3 A.M to 5 a.m on Saturday and then fell asleep until a quarter to six when
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the clock at spittle Fields Church struck I had a cup of tea and went downstairs to the backyard end quote in
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a Coroner's inquest later Davis said this he said quote the house faces Hanbury street with one window on the
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ground floor and a door at the side leading into a passage which runs through into the yard there is a back
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door at the end of this passage opening into the yard neither of the doors was able to be locked and I have never seen
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them locked anyone who knows where the latch of the front door is could open it and go along the passage into the
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backyard there was a little recess on the left from the steps to the fence is about
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three feet there are three stone steps unprotected leading from the door to the yard which is at a lower level than that
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of the passage directly I opened the door I saw a woman lying down in the left-hand recess between the stone steps
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and the fence she was on her back with her head with her head towards the house and her legs
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towards the Woodshed the clothes were much much disarranged I did not go into the yard but left the house by the front
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door and called the attention of two men to the circumstances they work at Mr Bailey's a pack case maker of Hanbury
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Street I do not know their names but I know them by sight so he told the coroner that those men
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had got a police constable and that they had not entered the yard at all nor had
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he again they were like we're not going in there yeah the coroner was pissed at one point Davis was like uh I don't know
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what their names were in the corner was like you don't know what their name like
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no one talked to these men right who came over there and so then Davis was like yeah I don't know I have to get to
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work so I don't have which is like just he didn't know I would ever say but the coroner said quote your work is of no
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consequence compared with this inquiry so he was literally like I I don't have time for this and honestly the coroners
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I don't blame them they're probably getting so frustrated with these cases because they're like no one's telling us
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anything well nobody seems to be paying attention to anything no and as we'll see later they're not giving them maps
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of the area they're not giving where the body was found sometimes when they're getting the body afterwards they were
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really given [ __ ] all to work with and then they're like how do you expect us to do our job properly and they're like
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well we need to speak to these men and he's like yeah I don't know who those men are yeah and it's like dude I know
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like that you don't know but like what the [ __ ] so these men ended up finding inspector Joseph Chandler and they
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summoned him to the scene mean now by this time I should say anti-Semitism had made its way into this case already and
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newspapers and [ __ ] on the street were saying it had to be a Jewish person who committed these crimes why is the
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world so [ __ ] up yeah it was basically an excuse to attack Jewish people exactly this was a purveying theme here
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it goes through when tragedy strikes there's always people who use it as an excuse to execute their Wills of you
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know racism onto the masses but it does become a thing where they're like well I saw her with a Jewish man
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and it's like okay can you just like shut the [ __ ] up yeah it does become a thing so it's important to note but what
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inspector Chandler found was the savagely murdered body of a woman lying on her back her hands were raised and
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her face was so covered in blood as well as her hands that Davis said when he first saw her he couldn't even tell
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where the injury was because it was just blood oh whenever you hear that too yeah
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you just it's so just to think about finding somebody in that State oh I can't imagine
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her legs bent with her knees facing out and her feet on the ground her coat and her skirt both black had been pulled up
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to expose her body and they were soaked in blood she was wearing striped sock stockings which were obvious from her
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positioning and she had been completely and brutally disemboweled there was some
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kind of fabric or scarf or handkerchief most likely wrapped around her neck as well but they said they believed that
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was done by her like like as like a fashion thing the police report said quote small intestines and flap of the
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abdomen lying on right side above Wright's shoulder attached by a cord with the rest of the intestines inside
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the body two flaps of skin from the lower part of the abdomen lying in a large quantity of blood above the left
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shoulder throat cut deeply from left and back in Jagged manner right around the throat her throat was cut so deeply and
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so brutally that the killer had almost removed her head from her body wow and they said he likely meant to he just
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didn't get to he didn't have time because they said he literally grinded into that vertebrae in your neck so he
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was trying to separate those bones for sure at one point someone in the crowd had
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gathered or someone In This Crowd that had already gathered to gawk um they grabbed a tarpaulin and they did
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put it on her which is nice but like don't do that oh yeah I'm like that's really that's nice
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and you're like that's sweeping evidence that's not great I understand the intention I love it I feel it I'm there
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for it but like logic like don't do that right right so Chandler sent for a doctor to examine the body before moving
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it to the mortuary and began a search of the crime scene he ended up finding blood stains on the fence about and it
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was right above her about 14 inches up down and some more on the wall behind her now her wedding ring and what they
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think was two more brass Rings were forcibly removed from her fingers and not found huh yeah and they looked they
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were like bruised like he had like ripped them off her face her pocket and her skirt was cut open with a blade and
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the contents were not stolen they were just placed around her there was a comb some muslin fabric and
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a paper case that was just like open and empty we're next to her on the ground next to her head was a piece of paper
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and a ripped up piece of envelope with the letter M on it and postage from August 28 1888 with a couple of pills
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inside of it okay in in the envelope now most intriguing but something that really doesn't it like plays into some
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suspects but they kind of just let this go after a while most intriguing was a leather apron that was found nearby
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soaked in water huh almost like it had been like rinsed off yeah because it was a little water spout nearby like I said
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it looked like it had been washed off which is weird because you leave her in the state that she's in and like there's
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blood and skin and horrible but it's like why would you wash off the apron yeah and you could have like cleaned up
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the little contents that was in her bag like you would think you maybe would do that but then you when you look at how
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quickly these are done and what they are finding out that these are done so quickly he didn't have time for anything
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he had time to do his what he was there to do he didn't have time for anything extra then why would he wash the apron
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that's why I don't think it belonged to him wasn't related yeah I don't think I'm gonna be there it's intriguing I
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don't think it belonged to him yeah other aprons were everywhere people were wearing them for a lot of different jobs
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it it doesn't surprise me that one was in the yard yeah just discarded okay um but and that's why I just don't think
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he wasn't taking time to clean anything no because that never happened at any other crime scene to my knowledge right
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yeah no it just doesn't it doesn't really ring true to what he's doing here to me it seems like
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he's doing these things very quickly very efficiently at most of them and he's getting the hell out of there fast
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and he must have somewhere he can go that he can clean up yeah quite his leisure even and then the other thing
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that's weird to me is that he stole her rings because previously like nothing had been stolen off of um
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Paulie well no that's the thing it doesn't feel like the motive here like they're brass Rings like it doesn't yeah
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it doesn't feel like the motive here is robbery or like for profit do you think that was a trophy I don't know if that
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was a trophy or if it was to confuse police or what huh but I don't know but this is Jack that everything else has
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the jacket oh yeah this all has the Jack emblem all over it so when Dr George Bagster Phillips showed up he stated she
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was indeed deceased and she was taken immediately away to avoid any further Gathering of the people around her
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um in the afternoon a woman named Amelia farmer came in and identified the victim
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as Annie Chapman who also was called by some dark Annie she had been her friend later her brother and I I've seen it
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spelled Fountain and also fountaine so I'm not exactly sure which one it is I mostly saw it as Fountain so I'm gonna
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go with that um was brought into he was brought in to identify her as well later and it was
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something that destroyed him emotionally of course um a family member should have never
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been brought in in the state that she was in but they have to no I totally no I know but I'm just like oh my God yeah
00:27:28
it's like it's an unfortunate never have to go through that no you never should have to and he started drinking as a
00:27:35
result of seeing his sister that way and he actually suffered a breakdown I'm not
00:27:40
surprised I mean how do you ever get that image out of your head of your sister yeah and apparently it got so bad
00:27:45
and this is um from the five the book that I'm going to um I I think I linked it in the first part but I'm gonna link
00:27:53
it again um it got so bad that he ended up stealing from his employer at one point
00:27:58
to buy alcohol and he got fired from his job he had a wife and two children he eventually ran like a band in his family
00:28:05
the next week he surrendered himself to the police station and wrote a letter to
00:28:09
his wife saying quote Oh My Darling wife it is the cursed drink for God's sake don't let the children touch it
00:28:17
he felt supremely guilty that he didn't know Annie's troubles in their last they
00:28:21
had a drink together the last time he saw her and I'm sure that was weighing on him as well he eventually did regain
00:28:28
himself he got his family back and they all moved to America that's great so there was happiness there was at least
00:28:35
some kind of like he escaped with his family yeah now let's talk about Annie Chapman
00:28:41
she was actually born Eliza and Smith and she was raised in Paddington West London and born on September September
00:28:49
2nd 1841. so another woman that died very close to her birthday yeah it's it I know it's a strange little coincidence
00:28:56
yeah um her mother was Ruth Chapman and her father was George Smith and he was a
00:29:01
military man he served in the second lifeguards this meant that he was not deployed like overseas or anything but
00:29:07
instead worked as part of the Queen's household Calvary he basically was in charge of keeping the queen and the
00:29:14
royal family safe at their home wow which is a pretty important job the man the family moved around a lot because of
00:29:20
this military service um and the the queen and the royal family would live in different places
00:29:24
like Windsor and stuff and he would have to go live there that's so cool well unfortunately both the parents drank
00:29:31
excessively and were known for this they were actually not married when Annie was
00:29:36
born and didn't get married until after she was born and this was a taboo So Scandalous at the time they were seen as
00:29:43
very taboo very scandalous and Annie soon was joined by a younger sister Emily and another younger sister
00:29:50
Georgina I love that name it's really cute but this was much later when Annie was like 15 years old wow and then they
00:29:57
had Miriam and a brother Fountain okay now the family was doing well they lived in a lot of you know very nice homes and
00:30:05
were not struggling with George's job being pretty upstanding and financially rewarding during this time when they
00:30:11
were living in Windsor one of the many times they moved there Annie got to know a man named John Chapman
00:30:17
oh now you're probably like hmm her mom's last name is Chapman oh that actually went completely over my head so
00:30:25
that's good her mom's last name is Ruth Chapman um they were related on their mother's
00:30:30
side on her mother's side distantly cousins of some sort okay he was working in Windsor as a valet and
00:30:37
making decent wages um he would sneak Annie and himself into his employer's home uh you know using
00:30:44
the keys that he was trusted with and like not great and they would drink his liquor together that was like their
00:30:51
thing okay Annie got hooked on rum at this point she really enjoyed rum they liked each other they you know keeping
00:30:58
the Bloodlines pure and all that well the thing is you have your cousins and then your first steps there it is you
00:31:06
got to bring it to a place of Mean Girls I was waiting to um and you know back then it just wasn't as uncommon as it is
00:31:12
now it was like way more cool so Annie did not get along with her sisters uh she was independent she was rebellious
00:31:20
she didn't like the idea of being a proper lady she didn't want to like conform to society huh Her Sisters in
00:31:27
contrast were shy what she considered prudish and liked to stay within the bounds of what Society had laid out for
00:31:34
them because that's what they were being raised to do they were just kind of going along with the family thing yeah
00:31:40
she was like I'm not into it she's also a Virgo and I feel like I'm learning more lately that Virgos kind of like to
00:31:45
push boundaries like a little bit not in a bad way but like test limit yes I see
00:31:49
that my youngest is a Virgo so yes I agree with that and then think of we have some other family members and
00:31:54
Friends whatever it goes and it's actually applicable to almost all of them it really is it makes a lot of
00:31:58
sense now after a ton of moves in 1862 the family was sent to live back in Windsor where the queen was spending a
00:32:05
lot of time at this time at the time of the move they had been living in London and Annie being about 21 at the time
00:32:12
stayed behind to take on work as a domestic servant this was very common she was honestly she was like striking
00:32:19
with brown wavy hair like very piercing blue eyes she had this like independent personality she was feisty she was
00:32:26
unique she just like wasn't going along with [ __ ] Virgos are cool man you like
00:32:30
get it Annie Annie was cool not two years later this is really sad her father ended up killing himself by
00:32:38
slashing his own throat oh my apparently he had retired from his job early and was working as what was referred to as a
00:32:45
manservant depression took over he was not used to that kind of work he was used to a different kind of work he was
00:32:52
predisposed to depression he was drinking a lot that mixed with you know the heavy drinking unfortunately he just
00:33:01
couldn't get out of it okay um and if unfortunately too this month of the family was not just losing him
00:33:06
they were losing everything yeah they were financially ruined that's awful so Ruth had to move all the kids back to
00:33:12
London to stay with a friend in Knightsbridge by this time John Chapman and Annie were
00:33:18
becoming very infatuated with each other and he asked her to marry him so they married May 1st 1869.
00:33:26
by 1870 they had their first child together a daughter named Emily Ruth Jane which is really cute that it's like Ruth
00:33:33
after the month it is unfortunately Annie liked to drink and she developed a taste for rum and she had come from two
00:33:40
parents who were very heavy drinkers that's what she was shown she spent a lot of their money on this causing them
00:33:46
to have to move from their first home together back to a lodging to lodging with her mother Ruth and the other
00:33:52
siblings which is definitely going to be stressful a lot of siblings and she had
00:33:56
a series of stillbirths before having another daughter which is like devastating another daughter named Annie
00:34:03
Georgina Chapman so George after her dad yeah and she had a sister Georgina yeah
00:34:08
and Georgina she had a sister Emily so yeah interesting so it's cute John got work on Bond Street and Mayfair and they
00:34:15
got a place in a pretty exclusive area so things started going much more smoothly once he got this job are things
00:34:21
just like ebbing and flowing yeah instantly because then Annie got him fired oh no how she stole something from
00:34:29
his boss oh either stole clothes thing or something to pawn for rum or she stole the liquor itself who can't tell
00:34:37
this made her brother and sisters Furious they were all religious they all had upstanding jobs at the time they
00:34:44
were starting families of their own they had grown up with parents who severely abused alcohol and now they saw their
00:34:50
older sister falling into it they convinced her at the time because they were like we're gonna save you and I
00:34:57
think they had like good intentions at the time they had taken a pledge they wanted her
00:35:03
to join the temperance movement with them okay it persuaded alcoholics to take a pledge of abstinence from the
00:35:10
drink and they had all done so so it's kind of like an AAA Temperance was pretty intense it was a pretty intense
00:35:16
movement that's the sad thing because these like anybody struggling with alcoholism at this time didn't have a
00:35:21
program that wasn't super that wasn't intense over the top and making them feel like they were committing like the
00:35:27
worst thing they could ever do by even having a sip but they had I believe they had good intentions here they just
00:35:33
wanted to save their sister from what they felt like their parents had fallen into they were seeing her go down a bad
00:35:39
path and this is the resource that was available to and they were raised at different you
00:35:44
know yeah that's just the way it is now they wanted Annie to do the same they wanted her to take this pledge they
00:35:48
wanted her to like get away from it and she said [ __ ] off she did it okay no she
00:35:53
did it great and she but she did it to please them and not for herself and that's not gonna work this is evidenced
00:35:59
by the evident by the fact that she didn't stop and actually ramped up her rum drinking up to the point that in
00:36:06
1877 John her husband requested that she enter a program to get sober okay so she
00:36:13
did agree and she and entered a voluntary program I didn't even realize okay so they do kind of have programs
00:36:19
but not great programs not great these are not programs where you're going and you're having you're like actually
00:36:24
talking about things and working through why you're drinking and getting to the bottom of it and like actually having
00:36:31
like support written through it was like a lot of just like forced religion and forced like it was a
00:36:39
lot of stuff that wasn't going to help you get to the bottom of why you were drinking in the first place and maybe
00:36:43
get you to want to stop yeah forcing anybody to do anything is never gonna have great results yeah now she spent up
00:36:50
to a year in that program so she was really trying and while she was in there her sisters actually paid to have her
00:36:56
daughter sent to school so that's nice so her siblings did rally around her and we're like let's we want to make sure
00:37:02
our nieces are getting what they need and the sisters also helped the two the two children get like take the important
00:37:10
societal steps that they felt were necessary like taking music lessons and like learning this and that like
00:37:16
learning how to be proper ladies they were nurturing the kids because that's what they thought was supposed to be
00:37:22
happening very Bridgerton now John got another job in Windsor with another wealthy family after he was fired from
00:37:28
the last one and it was very rewarding this one he moved to their daughters to live over the stables at St Leonard's
00:37:35
Hill Mansion where he were worked it was very nice there the people were nice there while Annie's sisters helped out
00:37:41
with making sure her daughters received the schooling and training they would need John's boss provided the family
00:37:46
with a Nanny named Carolyn great unfortunately Emily Ruth Jane was died she was suffering from epilepsy oh no
00:37:56
which meant she would be treated by Society like she was a demon spawn because at the time epileptics were not
00:38:02
treated as like oh you have a disorder and we need to help you even touched by the hand of the devil you something
00:38:07
terrible was done for this to happen to you and you're possessed by a demon what
00:38:12
the [ __ ] yeah it was really bad um and they even at times like people thought epilepsy was brought on by like
00:38:18
too much masturbation or like that was a thing Jesus Christ or just being possessed by a demon but I cannot so
00:38:24
things they were able to a lot of the nanny I guess was really taking care of Emily Ruth Jane like she was there to
00:38:31
make sure that she was she knew that she was not possessed by that exactly thing
00:38:36
things seem to be going well and then Annie came home from treatment she had completed that almost year of treatment
00:38:42
she was ready to live with her family again so she moved in they were all excited to have her back but everyone
00:38:48
else who was working and living on this estate was a little suspicious of her coming back like the people they were
00:38:55
working for were like I don't know about this because they're like you know they're Elite and they're they're
00:39:01
looking at this says she's made this mistake and she can't possibly come back but look she's trying to rectify it like
00:39:08
exactly that sucks and they thought she was faking her sobriety all that stuff like give her a chance yeah now around
00:39:14
this time she became pregnant uh with a son who would later be named John Alfred
00:39:19
unfortunately she was not able to stick to sobriety and things got pretty messy and pretty bad really quickly she began
00:39:27
drinking heavily again um while pregnant I'm not sure if it was while pregnant I can't say for sure but
00:39:33
she was definitely drinking at this time and some people say there is a story that I've read in a lot of different
00:39:38
sources that say she was really going along with the sobriety thing but then one day I think John had like a cold and
00:39:47
back then you would have like a hot cup of whiskey and loosen it up and he did that and then he gave her a kiss goodbye
00:39:53
to go to work and she tasted the whiskey and that's what set her oh no into it that's a story I've heard it in many
00:40:00
different places but obviously we can't confirm that all we know is that it did get bad so John eventually had enough he
00:40:07
didn't want to lose another job that supported his family so he threw her out even though she was pregnant at the time
00:40:13
that he threw her out so I imagine she was drinking while pregnant woof now her son John was born with partial paralysis
00:40:20
and had to be placed into a hospital shortly after birth nothing worked for him there obviously
00:40:26
they weren't able to cure the paralysis and even though John and Annie had come together again while this was going on
00:40:31
because they wanted to support each other this was tragic she went right back into drinking heavily again got bad
00:40:38
again she was spending all the money on rum and neglecting to buy food and clothing and such he told her this is
00:40:46
the last straw I never want to see you again so she left and was homeless for a while
00:40:52
after weeks of struggling she knew it was White Chapel where she was going to be able to find cheap lodging and maybe
00:40:59
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00:41:05
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so John of course I mentioned in the first part was required to pay her a week's a weekly allowance but I forgot
00:43:16
about that that's really all she had in the beginning but then she started to she was like you
00:43:21
know what I have some talents here like she possessed many talents um everyone who came forward to say they
00:43:28
were around her during this time in her life said she was sweet intelligent and well spoken they she was also they said
00:43:34
she was feisty but like in a fun way yeah they felt calm around her when she wasn't drinking okay when she drank it
00:43:41
was a whole other story it's so sad how that happens because dual personality like you it could be your best friend
00:43:47
and you're like I love you so much and then it's a whole entire yeah inside and like you know that person is such a good
00:43:53
person and what they're capable of yeah and what comes out when they drink is just not who this person is
00:44:00
um but while she had previously so while she was in in treatment for that year uh
00:44:05
she had spent a lot of her time sewing and crocheting and getting really good at it
00:44:09
um and so while in White Chapel she decided like many other women at the time that she could crochet sew and make
00:44:15
artificial flowers and sell it all people used to buy them I said before that they would put them on these like
00:44:21
fancy hats cool um and she dragged her Wares to what is now known as West Ham to sell them
00:44:27
unfortunately it wasn't a like booming business no she was getting really almost nothing for it all her hard work
00:44:35
and she was barely getting anything back and that sucks now her next move was to
00:44:39
take up with men she knew who could help her pay her way she was especially known
00:44:43
to be around a man nicknamed the pensioner who was actually named Ted Stanley he was older and had her wrapped
00:44:51
a bit with his charms and he had like you know Tales of his colorful life and he was currently working as a bricklayer
00:45:00
so he did have a constant source of income but he wasn't like rolling in it was he a good dude yeah so around this
00:45:07
time she got news not really so around this time you it's hard to find good dudes in the stories
00:45:15
there are some though there are some I felt like her previous husband was like John Chapman seemed to have he gave it
00:45:22
his all he really did he seemed to have given given it a good a good don't love that he threw her out while pregnant
00:45:28
just don't love that yeah I don't love that that's the thing you really gotta find the good here and it's real it's
00:45:34
real hard to find it's sparse it's like oh blinking you miss it oh that's yeah so around this time she got news and
00:45:42
this is sad this she got news that her estranged husband John Chapman was very ill oh no and that he was not expected
00:45:48
to live much longer oh Jesus she walked this just broke my heart she walked because it was her only option with no
00:45:55
money she tried to walk all the way to Windsor to be there for him and it's like crazy in his last days but she
00:46:01
wasn't fast enough because it took so long he died on Christmas Day 1886 and apparently and this is going to be
00:46:08
something that's going to make you go oh his cause of death was cirrhosis of the
00:46:14
liver from heavy and long-term drinking I just don't know if you've ever heard this phrase It's called um the pot
00:46:21
calling the kettle black John now I don't know what his drinking situation was I don't know if he was drinking in
00:46:30
the sense of like he must have been like consistently drinking yeah but I don't know what how that was affecting his
00:46:36
outside life at all it seems like he was a functioning you know what I mean like
00:46:42
yeah but it's like that's not fair that that's just kind of shitty but yeah it's
00:46:46
truly what you said pot calling me yeah black like you're both struggling from the same
00:46:51
thing like and you're [ __ ] on her because she's just not as good as get good at it as you are exactly it's it's
00:46:57
a tough situation because of course it's like back then people were doing things
00:47:03
when they were pregnant that they weren't supposed to be doing because not a lot was known about it and it's just
00:47:07
whatever but and obviously a lot of bad choices are made here no one's making correct choices here I said it in part
00:47:14
one We're not gonna find this thing where it's like well this person just has it all together like no one had it
00:47:20
together back then it really wasn't together anyway it just wasn't going well so it's like sure we can sit here
00:47:26
and look at it and say a lot the these women made a lot of bad choices yeah do any of them deserve the [ __ ] that they
00:47:33
went through absolutely not no one does like it's really shitty and I'd never want them to be portrayed as deserving
00:47:41
of being no of being put in the situations they were put in because once they made it to White Chapel there
00:47:48
wasn't a lot of choices they didn't really have a lot a lot of chance and it's like choices leading up to that
00:47:53
sure could have been different yeah in a lot of the situations but not all of them and just a side note question you
00:47:58
can die of cirrhosis of the liver and actually not drink right like cirrhosis of the liver can be caused by other
00:48:03
things yeah it definitely can't his was caused by a heavy drink but I was like did I hear that really like I know I
00:48:10
know I've heard that yeah so she was obviously devastated by his death because although they had a rocky
00:48:16
relationship I think that there was like love there and they just couldn't function together is really the problem
00:48:24
um she was devastated she never recovered from it and a lot of people said she lost a lot of her spark and her
00:48:29
hope after that there was a lot of guilt associated with his death I think yeah definitely so now she turned to sex work
00:48:37
to try to stay afloat because that's I mean I told you the numbers there was an unbelievable amount of sex workers like
00:48:44
actively working in the city of White Chapel and it was either a full-time gig because they had nothing else and that's
00:48:51
the only way they could afford lodging or it was a part-time thing where they would do the dressmaking laundrying
00:48:58
tailoring crocheting like anything like that and then on the side they would do it to supplement right it was very
00:49:05
common I mean what else was there to do and at this point you know even though this was an extremely dangerous and
00:49:13
violent line of work to go into she really had no choice yeah and well now again she doesn't have that money coming
00:49:19
in from John exactly so she and I think she felt really hopeless so I I think it
00:49:24
was like yeah she's sad she only wanted money to keep drinking and keep a roof over her head whenever she could right
00:49:30
really that was it and she was often seen entertaining clients in spittle fields in White Chapel now at this point
00:49:36
she started staying on Dorset Street it was in a Dos house which we've already mentioned as being the worst and most
00:49:44
violent Street of them all sure have it was dangerous horrific for her and the money she earned from sex work only
00:49:50
afforded her this and her constant flow of rum that's it she didn't she really didn't care about much else well I mean
00:49:56
she's lost her husband she's lost her children she's just like existing she's just floating through a lot of them
00:50:01
could probably felt a little bit like ghosts just floating through the motions this is when she began earning the
00:50:07
nickname dark Annie because as I said when she drank she got a little gnarly she was pretty violent and angry when
00:50:14
she drank and her circumstances met with the guilt she felt about her children and John was not helping her drunken
00:50:20
rages from occurring less and then I just thought of too her parents were alcoholics she had a rough childhood I'm
00:50:27
sure she has a lot of years of trauma there's a lot of trauma happen in here for sure and it's just it's just they're
00:50:32
all sad stories none of these stories are like wow this is a happy ending it's like
00:50:37
everything going for them and then yeah so the Dos how she was staying at was 35
00:50:42
Dorset Street at Crossing hims which was managed by a man named Timothy Donovan he was not a nice guy really chopping uh
00:50:51
it was a house license to shelter 144 people but he crammed over 300 in there okay now Ted Stanley the pensioner was
00:51:00
still kind of controlling Annie at this point but was not actually helping her at all that's the thing I'm like you
00:51:05
want to help her out no brother every now and then he would pay her for her bed at the Dos house but he actually
00:51:10
told the man running the Dos house that if Annie brought another man in there he
00:51:14
had to throw her out what the [ __ ] but he and at first you'd be like well what
00:51:19
no I know what his but he was seeing another woman named Eliza Cooper and paying for her bed too I had a feeling
00:51:25
couldn't bother to let them stay with him just let them stay in filth every once in a while on his time that's all
00:51:30
he would do what the [ __ ] dude now around this time towards the end of August she ran into her brother fountain
00:51:35
on Commercial Road she hadn't he did not know how bad things had gotten she was scared to tell
00:51:42
him what she was going through was embarrassed so she kind of made it seem not all that bad like I'm okay I'm just
00:51:48
like scrounging a little bit he was kind and he gave her some money that he had in his pocket the two of them sat down
00:51:55
for a drink and that was it that's like just knowing what happens and what he had to go through after that's
00:52:00
heartbreaking now Ted Stanley and Eliza Cooper became a witness became witnesses
00:52:05
to Annie's last days unfortunately Ted told investigators he had seen her at the Britannia Pub on Dorset Street
00:52:13
September 2nd 1888 with Eliza Cooper oh apparently they were not friends apparently a couple of days before this
00:52:21
Annie had borrowed a piece of soap from Ted Stanley and it was meant for Eliza and Eliza got pissed because Annie had
00:52:29
promised to give it back but didn't have it when Eliza confronted her and he threw a half penny at her and told her
00:52:35
here buy some more like just tossed it oh man so when they saw each other at the Britannia they were both drunk and
00:52:43
the familiar rage boiled up within them both they immediately went after each other screaming at each other they were
00:52:49
physically pushing each other getting into each other's faces and they're like girls the pensioner is not worth yes at
00:52:55
all it was getting ugly Witnesses said the fighting was continuous it went back all the way back
00:53:01
to the Dos house they were fighting oh man where Annie then slapped Eliza and Eliza lost it she beat Annie badly and
00:53:09
left her in bad condition oh no now Annie's friend Amelia farmer who would later identify her body saw her the next
00:53:18
day after this and she said she was horrified by her condition she had a black eye a horribly bruised chest and
00:53:25
she was feeling really ill likely my thoughts are from blows to the Head she was probably suffering something she
00:53:33
said she couldn't eat anything and had only had a cup of tea that day so Amelia gave her some money for more tea and
00:53:39
then said please take care of yourself and do not drink she was like do not spend this money on drinking she said
00:53:45
buy yourself some tea yeah so she told her Annie said sure I'm gonna go to White Chapel workhouse
00:53:52
tonight like I'll I'll try to rest and Amelia later said of Annie quote I'm afraid she used to earn her living
00:53:58
partly on the streets she was a straightforward woman when she was sober clever and industrious with the needle
00:54:04
but she could not take too much drink she had been living a very irregular life all the time I've known her
00:54:10
uh and he did return to White Chapel workhouse and in return for a cold bath and some shitty stew she was made to
00:54:17
pick okum which is a very common thing that the poor were for forced to do in these workhouses she had to meticulously
00:54:25
um untangle Old Ship ropes oh my God and then get them into like these strands that could be used and it was murder on
00:54:32
the hands in very intense work it would like destroy your hands just rip him apart by the end of it so she saw her
00:54:39
again that Friday September 6th around 5 PM after she had left the workhouse and
00:54:44
she said she was still feeling terrible she told Amelia she didn't even feel well enough to go to Stratford to try to
00:54:50
sell anything she said she was trying to push through and said she was going to pull herself together and earn some
00:54:56
money or she said I'm going to be sleeping outside tonight I wonder if she had like my first thought was um like I
00:55:01
wonder if she had a broken rib that caused internal bleeding or something yeah well we find out so by 7 PM she
00:55:08
went back to the Dos house and asked Timothy Donovan if she could just sit in the kitchen for a while and he wouldn't
00:55:13
let her out so she was like I don't have money I just need to sit he did say yes
00:55:18
okay he said yep you can sit in there she was seen in the kitchen by another lodger Frederick Stevens around 12 10
00:55:24
a.m he referred to her as being quote rather worse for drink so I think she was like kneading drink
00:55:31
at this time oh she's going through like withdrawal she might have been so a bit
00:55:35
after this another lodger named William said he saw her in the kitchen as well and chatted with her he too said she was
00:55:41
not doing well and that she had taken out a little uh paper box of pills from her pocket and it broke when she pulled
00:55:48
it out so the pills went everywhere and he helped her gather them she found a scrap of envelope in the kitchen and put
00:55:55
the pills in there and placed them back in her pocket this is the envelope with the pills they found next to her body
00:56:00
yeah mere hours after this so and she had gotten those pills apparently from the infirmary she had
00:56:06
gone to so they were I think there was only two in there okay um she left after this and William said
00:56:12
he thought she had gone to her bed he was she would normally sleep in but instead she had left and come back
00:56:17
around 1 35 A.M I think she had gotten a little bit to drink at that point she hung out in the
00:56:22
kitchen for a bit longer and then around 2 A.M Timothy Donovan the Dos managers who had known her for months by the way
00:56:31
he kicked her out because she hadn't paid for a bed at 2 am are you kidding me it's like just let her sleep in the
00:56:37
kitchen even that's the thing she took and she told him you know her yeah yeah she told them how sick she was but he
00:56:44
said he didn't give a [ __ ] and tossed her out I think number one he doesn't give a [ __ ] because he wants to make his
00:56:49
money but do you also think he maybe thought she was drunk and was just like you gotta get out of here I think yeah
00:56:53
he did well I think all it was I think it was black and white you didn't pay for a bed you don't get to stay here get
00:56:59
out that's so [ __ ] up and she told him when she left he said he said she told me keep my bed open because I'm gonna
00:57:06
make my money and I'm gonna sleep in it okay and he was like all right so that at that point the night guard whose name
00:57:13
was John Evans said he saw her leave he escorted her out of the Dos house around
00:57:17
1 45 AM so she must have wandered around for hours looking for clients to make her
00:57:23
money for lodging at 5 30 a.m there was a confirmed witness report from a park Keeper's wife Elizabeth Long who said
00:57:31
she was on her way to the market at that time and she spotted what she knew was Annie Chapman speaking to a man next to
00:57:37
a house on Hanbury street she said the man looked quote like a foreigner not sure what that means yeah I was wearing
00:57:45
a deer stalker hat and looked to be over 40 years old a deer stalker hat is that
00:57:50
classic plaid type happy hat you see on like the Sherlock holmese kind of guy um
00:57:56
flaps on the ear it's like a very like it's a very it's a very uh stereotypical of what you would think of when you see
00:58:03
the hat with like the Sherlock Holmes so he was wearing one of those that becomes
00:58:08
a recurring thing by the way and she said that he asked her will you and she said yes this was near the place
00:58:16
Annie was found at 29 hambury street so this could have been Jack could have been Jack so a few moments later a man
00:58:23
living next door to 29 hambury street at number 27 said he heard panic and Terror
00:58:29
his man his name was Albert kadosh and he reported later that he heard screaming oh jeez he said quote I live
00:58:37
at 27 hambury Street and I am a carpenter 27 is next door to 29 hambury Street on Saturday September 8th I got
00:58:45
up about a quarter past five in the morning and went into the yard it was then about 20 minutes past five I should
00:58:52
think as I returned towards the back door I Heard a Voice say no just as I was going through the door it was not in
00:58:59
our yard but I should think it came from the yard of number 29. I went indoors but returned to the yard about three or
00:59:05
four minutes afterwards while coming back I heard a sort of fall against the fence sense which divides my yard from
00:59:12
that of 29. it seemed as if as if something touched the fence hard and suddenly oddly he just ignored it and
00:59:20
went back to his shift for work it's like you took the time to go back there and check to listen yeah you heard
00:59:26
something weird and you said huh that was weird and he definitely heard her being murdered he heard that she was
00:59:33
right next to the fence that's where she was found and she's being brutally attacked clearly yeah but I wonder if
00:59:39
she couldn't make much noise because the way it cut her throat exactly so 6 AM rolls around and our friend John Davis
00:59:46
stumbles upon the horrifically brutalized dead body of Annie Chapman now when we began here she was found in
00:59:54
the yard of 29 hamberry Street by John the coroner had determined her throat had been so deeply cut it had clearly
01:00:00
been an attempt to remove her head completely from her body and she had been violently and pretty theatrically
01:00:06
disemboweled yeah so after searching the area and finding the blood stains on the
01:00:11
fence above her her wedding ring and a couple of other Rings had been forcibly removed from her finger uh the pocket
01:00:17
and her skirt cut open all those contents placed around her um uh then they found that leather apron
01:00:24
that was soaked in water so after all of this they finally took her body to White
01:00:29
Chapel workhouse infirmary Mortuary this was an old Montague Street this was a shed essentially Jesus [ __ ] was not
01:00:37
great no like how are you doing Dr Phillips not well [ __ ] is what he would say
01:00:42
that's what he would say he was not happy with his a lot of these Corners were like hey guys help we have a pretty
01:00:50
important job and you're not giving us like any [ __ ] to work with like can we have somebody help us but again not
01:00:57
shocking not at all Annie was described as being about 48 years old she was short at about five feet she was
01:01:04
described as Stout she had dark hair that waved a bit blue eyes like I said and two of her bottom teeth were missing
01:01:11
okay now when a proper examination was conducted of the body now that it was stripped and washed the condition was
01:01:18
even more horrific than they thought her face and tongue was swollen now this led him to believe there was
01:01:25
some kind of Suffocation before he attempted to move the head because your tongue will protrude and swell I didn't
01:01:31
realize that yeah so her eye especially had a massive bruise on it and so did her chest he was able to determine that
01:01:38
the bruises on her chin and the sides of her jaw were recent and likely from the
01:01:43
killer but the chest and eye and Temple bruising were from several days earlier we know who good old Eliza so now since
01:01:51
the head of the criminal investigations Department Robert Anderson was now informed of what was happening back home
01:01:56
oh man he was starting to get uh lightly trashed in the press for being away and
01:02:02
not returning to stop this I mean yeah after all now we had Marianne Nichols and Annie Chapman murdered in similar
01:02:10
and very brutal ways in his in his jurisdiction and there were arguments if there were two others exactly at this
01:02:16
point the CID which is tasked with investigating and stopping this spree is effectively leaderist leaderless at this
01:02:23
point yeah so when the inquest began two days later even more horrific details were released now they didn't release
01:02:30
any of these into the papers none of the papers had any kind of knowledge of these but initially Dr Phillips didn't
01:02:36
even want to release them to the anything he didn't want to talk about them he didn't want them on the record
01:02:41
he had a good reason for this and I understand what he was saying he said the injuries and mutilations were so
01:02:48
horrific that it would be quote too painful to the feelings of the jury in public he said I released to the cause
01:02:54
of death which was a severed carotid artery he said everything after that was gratuitous and does not have anything to
01:03:01
do with the cause of death all you need to know is the cause of death death you do not need to know what anything after
01:03:07
that oh he was saying like we can have it on record whatever but I don't want it released to the public okay I do
01:03:13
understand where he was coming from with that trying to save gratuitous details from being released
01:03:19
that didn't cause the car at her death yeah but like obviously you can't do that because a lot of this has to do
01:03:25
with the pathology of the killer so but at that time that was not well and they're probably worried about public
01:03:30
Terror at this point that's the thing so at first the inquest Bros agreed but then they said the in question yeah at
01:03:38
first they could not let that go they were gonna they were like okay yeah that we got that but then they were like nah
01:03:44
you need to come back and you need to tell us every single detail like I he's like I just need him I need them all
01:03:50
they were like we gotta release these so we got We're Not Gonna really summon the
01:03:53
Press but we need to at least have them so that we can investigate files from them uh but before he agreed to tell
01:04:00
them he said okay fine I will I guess I have to but he said I want every woman and any children that could be in the
01:04:07
area to leave I don't want them to be subject to any of this he said this is not fit for publication in any media
01:04:13
source and it's not fit for women it is not so as he explained the following and
01:04:18
well back then it wasn't even like it's not fit for women they were like that your Constitutions are too delicate to
01:04:24
hear such terrible things like that was their way of like I'm trying to save the
01:04:28
women and the children from hearing this horrific nightmare yeah yeah I get the chance as he explained the following
01:04:34
several men in the room actually fainted so there's that so Fufu so this is what it said it said her neck
01:04:43
was cut twice one after the other from left to right and they were so deep that they cut into the vertebrae with a clear
01:04:48
attempt to remove the head from the body this is where it gets even Wilder quote
01:04:53
the abdomen had been entirely laid open and the intestines severed from their mesenteric attachments which had been
01:05:00
lifted out and placed on the soldier shoulder of the corpse whilst from the pelvis the uterus and its appendages
01:05:07
with the upper portion of the vagina and the posterior two-thirds of the bladder
01:05:12
had been entirely removed obviously the work was that of an expert or on at least who had such knowledge of
01:05:20
anatomical or pathological examinations as to be enabled to secure the pelvis organs with One Sweep of the knife you
01:05:28
can like feel that so he said those organs were removed from her body in one Suite without Jagged Cuts without a
01:05:36
bunch of just tearing through [ __ ] and I can tell you you can I can speak from
01:05:43
some experience here that it is hard they would tell you okay start the start the cuts and you would have to take a
01:05:52
second to find that part of the colon that you want to start at it was hard and you would look in there with these
01:05:58
spotlights of of you know 2000s and whatever's lab lights on here all the technology that we have all the lighting
01:06:07
sources everything that we have that is hard yeah it all looks the same when you
01:06:11
open it up it's all beige it's all red it's all goop together it's everything you don't just look in there and be like
01:06:18
well that is the pelvis that is it's that is the bladder that's the uterus these are the Fallopian tubes so it's
01:06:24
just a whole bunch of stuff you find it but it takes some time and it takes some
01:06:28
skill and knowledge some observation and it takes a lot of digging around and really finding where you're gonna cut or
01:06:35
else you're going to be making a [ __ ] mess if someone's inside so no one wants
01:06:38
to do that and years of studying before you even get to the point where they hand you the knife to cut someone
01:06:43
exactly we still had books in the in the autopsy Suite anatomy and pathology books so that we could reference them if
01:06:51
we needed to it happens but we're talking about 1888 in White Chapel where like I said darkness is
01:06:59
something you have not experienced until you were in 1888 White Chapel and he's not like pulling out his iPhone for the
01:07:05
flash he's not pulling out any kind of light source if he does have a light source it's a lantern which I don't
01:07:11
think he had because no one said they saw anybody with a lantern he's doing this in the [ __ ] dark he's doing this
01:07:18
with no time at all to spare in haste waiting for people to show up I have all the time in the [ __ ] world in the
01:07:25
autopsy suite and it takes me a long [ __ ] time and to remove the pelvic block that's hard what is the pelvic
01:07:34
block that's the what they're talking about with like the bladder the pelvis like the whole block of organs that are
01:07:39
in you oh okay um like even like the you know the thoracic block like you're they're all blocks of organs that
01:07:45
usually you for an autopsy will take out all together you'll keep them all connected and you will lift them out of
01:07:52
the body together and he took them out separate but in order to do that you have to cut connections that you know
01:07:59
exist otherwise you're just going to be slicing through most of these organs and
01:08:04
[ __ ] up the whole abdomen how's that donut on your way to work though so this guy if he was able to take what they're
01:08:12
saying to me is what they do what holds me what Dr Phillips tells me here is that he took the uterus its appendages
01:08:21
and the upper portion of the vagina and posterior two-thirds of the bladder he took all of that to say that again he
01:08:29
took all of that that's hard work to do and that's somebody that in my opinion has at least a working knowledge of
01:08:37
anatomy I like have cramps all of a sudden but it's not even that yeah area it's just
01:08:42
it I don't understand and maybe I'm standing on an island alone here I know a lot of people will be like pish posh
01:08:49
with the anatomy knowledge thing no no because no you have to learn like very very very basic anatomy for in hair
01:08:57
school actually yeah it was even like basic basic basic anatomy I could not wrap my brain around like that's intense
01:09:04
and it's just I think unless you have taken part in a dissection and an evisceration and an autopsy it's hard to
01:09:13
understand the nuances and these small tiny things that are involved in that yeah that you
01:09:19
don't just rip organs out of somebody's body you don't just like go up I see a uterus rip like that's not how that
01:09:25
works no there are so many little connections that you have to make sure you cut before you take it out yeah I
01:09:30
can appreciate that I mean like I can't I'm not I can't imagine if I if you if that even if the body was opened up for
01:09:37
me and somebody told me like where's the uterus I'd be like I have no [ __ ] no it's hard like I can go into the general
01:09:43
area on me where it is yeah like in a body no [ __ ] way exactly and what's crazy is so the Dr Phillips believed
01:09:50
that this person like I do definitely had knowledge of the human body and Anatomy had to have it was one of those
01:09:56
things that he believed couldn't have just been like I said somebody ripping organs out willy-nilly no way I mean
01:10:02
they took the they took part of the vagina the upper portion of the vagina and part of the bladder right and they
01:10:07
took the appendages from the uterus they took the whole damn thing what does that
01:10:11
mean like the Fallopian tubes they took the you know they took all of the stuff that goes along with your uterus
01:10:16
basically the reproductive system yeah it was like a like a crude hysterectomy exactly that's exactly a perfect way to
01:10:23
say it now especially also when you add on to this that it was completed within the time frame of about 15 [ __ ]
01:10:30
minutes do you know how long a hysterectomy takes when you're a hysterectomy takes hours oh so this is
01:10:36
insane yeah and what's crazy like I've done what's called rapid autopsies those are the middle of the night fairs the
01:10:43
ones that are 2 A.M hey come in and do this really quick and a rapid autopsy you're going in there you have to you're
01:10:50
you're kind of doing it in a less organized fashion you need to get a tissue out quickly within two hours of
01:10:56
death okay even with that it's intense you are taking a moment to figure out and like kind of like Orient yourself in
01:11:05
the body even just to take pieces of tissue from certain organs in that 15 minutes I I it would be a
01:11:13
real challenge yeah maybe if you set up a time clock for me and I maybe I could do it but I would have a lot of trouble
01:11:19
and getting all that out luckily you would not have to like no that's wild but getting all that out in that amount
01:11:26
of time it would it would be a challenge so I don't think this is just like a leather worker no I don't think so at
01:11:32
all rough estimate like how long do you think it took him to do that for him to like kill her do all of that and then be
01:11:39
out they're thinking it was 15 minutes 15. they're thinking it was under it could be 50 minutes or less that he was
01:11:45
doing these things in one of them I mean we'll talk about Mary Jane Kelly who's the last victim he got to take his time
01:11:50
with that one because they were private he was inside of somewhere and he really
01:11:54
went for it but the other ones it was like he was going quick because he had to get the hell out of there most of the
01:12:01
time they would find them and they were warm wow like he was he had just left it's wild now all of that said what's
01:12:10
even sadder what they found out was that the cause of death was loss of blood from a severed carotid artery she was
01:12:18
actually actively dying before Jack the Ripper got to her she was suffering from
01:12:22
a disease that the doctor said was slowly killing her oh it affected her brain and possibly her lungs and the
01:12:29
idea is that was it was probably either syphilis or tuberculosis that she was suffering from okay so she was in bad
01:12:36
shape before now the murder weapon was determined to be a knife that was likely long at
01:12:43
around six to six to eight inches and very sharp yikes they thought the same thing for Mary Nichols he pointed out
01:12:49
that a slaughterhouse worker's knife would be possible for these injuries but not a leather worker okay so he was like
01:12:55
that's not saying they wouldn't have a knife like that they just wouldn't use it for their trade it's even crazy to me
01:13:00
to think that he could have been a slaughterhouse worker though because that Anatomy is still different it's
01:13:04
different but I guess maybe you have a little more you have a leg up on somebody that has no knowledge but like
01:13:11
an inside of a body but still it's a different kind of body um but again these these are very
01:13:16
important uh things to point out because with these being such big trades in the
01:13:21
area and everywhere it was necessary to narrow the scope a little and be like I don't think it's a leather worker I
01:13:27
think it's more of these people so again the coroner at the time said he was not
01:13:31
even provided a map of the area he wasn't provided anything that could he could refer to again to see where the
01:13:37
body was positioned they ignored his request for it so he was just like cool I guess I'll go [ __ ] myself then that's
01:13:44
so irritating again how you doing Dr Phillips not well [ __ ] because nobody's giving me anything to work with he's
01:13:50
trying to make it nice I'm really on the side of corners and I understand that but like that must be really [ __ ]
01:13:56
annoying you're like you need me well yeah they need him and they're not giving him any resources you need me and
01:14:02
you're not helping me out here now meanwhile 29 Hanbury Street where she was found turned into kind of a tourist
01:14:08
attraction because the people who lived there decided this was a business venture now and they started charging
01:14:14
people to come through the place where Annie was murdered and found the past was [ __ ] up yeah the past was [ __ ]
01:14:20
up and as was common back then neighbors were charging people to look out their windows that looked over the yard as
01:14:25
well past was [ __ ] up a little bit so the inquest had brought up a lot of distaste for the way the case was being
01:14:32
handled by Witnesses and by the Press gee whiz I wonder why a witness said during the inquest that when he Came
01:14:38
Upon a police Constable when he found Chapman's body so one of those men that he had grabbed John Davis had grabbed
01:14:43
the police Constable initially told him he couldn't come he had to go find someone else
01:14:49
so he was like we might have found a dead body and he was like I can't move I don't know what to tell you this [ __ ]
01:14:54
police Constable said will I have orders not to leave my post no matter what apparently some police constables were
01:15:03
not beat walkers but they just were sitting at a fixed post that was their job they couldn't move but no one was
01:15:09
happy with this [ __ ] excuse they were like dude there's a dead body I know you
01:15:12
have orders but like maybe you can leave your post for that that's a rock and a hard place it is a very rock and a very
01:15:18
hard place I will I will fully admit that yeah but they were like not happy with it yeah I can and I it's hard
01:15:24
because on the outside you don't understand like yeah like what could happen if he leaves us posted exactly
01:15:29
like is he leaving his post now that is leaving a post without a police that put
01:15:34
there and maybe that was Jack's intention all along was exactly police away from an area so he could cause more
01:15:39
damage because I was gonna say the other thing is if he left his post and then like he like he might have gotten in
01:15:44
trouble for that because Jack could have been walking by after killing her so I get it there's a lot there's a lot of
01:15:49
stuff yeah rules but that along with the like not giving the corn or anything they were like can you yeah you got to
01:15:55
get mad at what you can get mad at and try to understand what you can exactly now
01:15:59
Annie's brother Fountain paid for her funeral but she was buried in a public grave in Manor Park cemetery in Forest
01:16:06
Gate which meant people would be buried on top of her eventually and her family was not allowed to put a headstone where
01:16:12
she was so what the actual [ __ ] yeah they didn't treat uh death people in poverty very
01:16:20
well so in 2008 the cemetery where she is buried I mean I was gonna say they didn't but like or any anywhere now
01:16:28
don't treat people in poverty very well no still so in 2008 the cemetery where she was where she is buried put a plaque
01:16:36
where she's buried like around the area they don't know for sure exactly like the perfect spot that's so sad but it
01:16:42
says this plaque is dedicated to the memory of Annie Chapman died 8th September 1888 a victim of the infamous
01:16:48
Jack the Ripper her remains are buried within this area so at least you know the area yeah now Sir Charles Warren
01:16:55
tried to calm the increasing Panic that was starting to seep into white chapels spittle fields and Beyond with these
01:17:01
horrific mutilation murders right and in doing so he came off looking like an [ __ ] at
01:17:07
times for sure like September 15th after two murders so heinous they couldn't even be printed in
01:17:14
full detail in the Press he dictated a memo to the home office in order to transfer the responsibility of the case
01:17:20
into Donald Swanson's hand okay um this he was like another detective because with Robert Anderson out he was like we
01:17:27
have to give this to someone while he's not here until he gets here so Donald Swanson was who got it
01:17:33
the memo he wrote said quote I am convinced that the White Chapel murder case is one which can be successfully
01:17:40
grappled with if it is systematically taken in hand that's fine sure yeah I go so far as to say I could myself in a few
01:17:49
days unravel the mystery if I could spare the time and give individual attention to it
01:17:56
[ __ ] off my dude also like no you couldn't you didn't you you haven't you didn't right
01:18:07
you had many days you did not do it I could do it I just didn't you said it could be solved easily if someone gave a
01:18:13
[ __ ] and had the time that's literally what you just said If someone gave a [ __ ] and gave the time to it they could
01:18:18
do it but I don't that's the clip he said I would just solve it in a few minutes you know but I don't have the
01:18:23
time so I guess you all have to suffer some more bye also just like this isn't a Sudoku puzzle this is these are people
01:18:30
yeah these are human beings you should have stopped at the first part where you said it can if systematically taken in
01:18:36
hand it can be solved that's just hopeful we love hope if you can solve it in a few days take a few days and solve
01:18:43
it [ __ ] right we'll give you time off it's a pretty dire situation if I was on
01:18:48
that I would have been like okay Charles take a few days off we'll all take over
01:18:52
for you in school what's your duties I got it a few days you need me cover got it see you back on Friday with who's
01:18:59
Jack the Ripper is that would be great thanks like why would you not like come on if we're gonna prevent women being
01:19:04
found in the streets with their bowels wrapped around their shoulder that's not important to you no what so there was a
01:19:10
little more to that memo which makes it like a little better I guess I don't know that first part did not need to be
01:19:15
put in there and it made him look like a jackass yeah I think he might have just
01:19:19
been a job so the next thing he wrote in the memo was because he was trying to get it all organized now that Robert
01:19:24
Anderson wasn't there he said I feel therefore the utmost importance be attached to putting the whole central
01:19:30
office work in this case in the hands of one man who will have nothing else to concern himself with so he's saying I
01:19:37
think it's important we give it to somebody and tell them this is all you're working on okay which that makes
01:19:42
sense why the [ __ ] did you say the other you don't need to it was because it was
01:19:46
inserting his own [ __ ] self-importance and ego into it by saying yes I had it I could do it but I
01:19:52
don't have the time shut the [ __ ] up all you had to do was write that next part
01:19:56
and I would been like hell yeah Charles Warren but he had to insert that little [ __ ] toxic [ __ ] into it and I don't
01:20:03
appreciate it I just spit by the way spittle Fields spittle Fields everywhere so it says neither you or I or Mr
01:20:10
Williamson can do this I therefore you just said you could but okay that's the thing I therefore put it in the hands of
01:20:16
Chief Inspector Swanson who must be acquainted with every detail I look upon him for the time being as the eyes and
01:20:22
ears of the commissioner in this particular case he must have a room to himself in every paper every document
01:20:28
every report every telegram must pass through his hands he must be consulted on every subject I would not send any
01:20:35
directions anywhere on the subject of the murder without consulting him I give him the whole responsibility all the
01:20:42
papers in central office on the suspect subject of the murder must be kept in his room and plans of the positions Etc
01:20:49
I must have this matter at once put on a proper footing so as to be a guide for the future in cases of importance
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so he's saying here's what we need to do put Swanson on the case he's in charge of the of the CID right now yeah he has
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to be acquainted with every piece of this case he's the one working solely on it and we're going to look at this as a
01:21:11
blueprint for future cases this is how we should do it okay cool they don't do that though you know
01:21:18
so with you know so at this point like I said Anderson is still in Switzerland he
01:21:24
has not come home yet Sir Charles Warren had to put the investigation into Donald
01:21:29
Swanson's hands now locally he put inspector Frederick George aberleen in charge of the air so he was locally in
01:21:36
charge um so again overall Swanson local [ __ ] being taken care of on a more micro
01:21:42
level by aberleen a lot of people think aberleene was in charge of the entire thing he's often touted as being in
01:21:49
charge of the entire thing that's not true he did however do a ton of work for it and is synonymous with
01:21:56
that for good reason he really did do a lot okay he did kind of take over in a way
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he tried really hard from the outset to catch this guy so September 10th only a couple of days
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later a guy named John piser was finally found after he had gone on the run after
01:22:13
being named a person of interest you might remember a man named leather apron that I mentioned in part one that is him
01:22:19
finally got him Timothy Donovan who managed the lodging house that Annie Chapman stayed at told
01:22:25
police he and another witness had actually thrown paiser out of the lodging house on several occasions
01:22:31
because he had attacked and threatened women and that they had saw him wearing a deer stalker hat several times which
01:22:39
is what Witnesses like Mrs long saw the man last seen with Annie Chapman was wearing as well but you said this guy's
01:22:45
a leather worker he's a leather worker now Pfizer when they checked his home he had up to five long bladed knives in his
01:22:53
possession in his home on Mulberry Street clean or dirty no nobody says I imagine not dirty with
01:23:01
blood because they probably would have mentioned that yeah yeah he was a boot finisher so that wasn't completely
01:23:05
ridiculous that he would have several knives but it's still something he was brought in and everyone went wild over
01:23:12
it they thought leather apron was the guy wow because the media had really put it up there and they're desperate in
01:23:18
fact right after he was arrested according to Ripper code the book that I will also
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um I will also uh link what is it called Link in the show notes uh it they were Distributing a Broad Street out in the a
01:23:30
broad sheet out in the streets is what I meant that said quote they've captured leather apron now if guilty you'll agree
01:23:38
he'll have to meet a murderer's doom and hang up on a tree cute right um so newspapers branded him the killer it
01:23:48
was bad they were literally like here he is that's him guys there's no evidence but he's gonna be charged and sentenced
01:23:55
in the Press it's like yeah he's a [ __ ] right he there's literally no evidence to say he's the killer at all
01:24:01
this is not except he has a hat that several other people also have now when you put it that way yeah a lot of a lot
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was made of the fact that he also made hats on the side and that Polly Nichols had been walking around talking about
01:24:15
and showing off that Bonnet right that is a thing but that's a real [ __ ] circumstantial I wanted she didn't get
01:24:23
it did she get it that day she was seen with it in the last like day or so a couple of days yeah so it was new it was
01:24:30
something that they were you know all right I get it because I think she said to somebody like um like do you see my
01:24:36
jelly Bonnet yeah like it's brand new like and it was new okay that was one of the last things interesting now around
01:24:43
the same time aberleene brought in a man named William pigott to be questioned he
01:24:48
had blood on his clothing and he was seen sink um sitting drinking a beer at a pub in Gravesend when the police were
01:24:54
called because they were like this guy's just sitting drinking a beer and he's literally covered in blood like his
01:24:58
clothes had blood all over that's real weird he was also behaving very strangely and acting very nervous and
01:25:04
anxious aberleen arrested him and was shocked when he saw him because he said he was struck by obviously the blood on
01:25:10
his clothes but also by the fact that he had a very close resemblance to a man who witnesses said they heard ranting
01:25:16
and raving about hating women in a public house in White Chapel very shortly after Annie Chapman's murder oh
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when they got him to the station he said he had been in White Chapel and he said
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he was on Brick Lane when he saw a woman having a fit and she fell to the ground
01:25:31
he was obviously a hero when he tried to pick her up but she bit him he said on the hand so his response was to slap her
01:25:39
in the face and drop her on the ground I don't know and then he said he left because he saw police coming their way
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okay no one confirmed this there's no we don't know who that woman was if she bit him on the hand it could have been
01:25:51
Annie it could have been she was feisty now he had a ton of injuries on his hands and he was covered in blood
01:25:56
including some which had clearly been attempted to be wiped from his boots he never explained this and they never got
01:26:03
an explanation for it they didn't ask him they didn't whose blood is this no they did he just never he wouldn't
01:26:08
answer oh and Witnesses said he wasn't the guy Witnesses saw him he was never picked out of several lineups everybody
01:26:15
they were and when they were brought to him it was dark Witnesses were like that's not him that's not him at all
01:26:21
like they were very like black and white that's not him and the leather worker thing you know but he was held a bit to
01:26:26
see if they could get someone else to ID him because they were like this is weird
01:26:29
or get him to crack you but during that time he got so erratic and he was slurring his words and like was actually
01:26:36
freaking out so they sent for a doctor and he was actually sent to an asylum shortly after because he was declared
01:26:42
legally insane from disemboweling a woman well obviously he didn't do any of the other
01:26:47
murders because he was in exactly in an asylum when all the other ones happened but why was he covered in blood we never
01:26:54
know and why did he we never find out we never find out that's that guy's William
01:26:59
Pig it's just like bye see you later huh question I don't know if this is a dumb
01:27:04
question leather workers obviously we unfortunately get leather from animals did they have to like get the skin from
01:27:11
the animals themselves or was it provided to them I actually don't know that because then I guess you could have
01:27:17
you're not like you know I imagine leather workers probably it's a symbiotic relationship probably with uh
01:27:23
slaughterhouses and other you know uh that kind of line of work maybe but I do not know for sure I don't know I'll find
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out for part three cool thank you um but we'll leave it on Pfizer John piser leather apron there he was let go pretty
01:27:37
quickly because there was a literally no evidence and his Alibi was confirmed that he had been with family during
01:27:44
Annie Chapman's murder he had an alibi also saying that he was staying at the crossman's common lodging house on the
01:27:50
night of Nichols murder oh there was a fire by the docks that evening and he saw it and he had spoken to several
01:27:56
people that night while it was happening um so he was completely cleared of everything but he was pissed about his
01:28:03
name being smeared in the Press he took action and actually sued a bunch of papers for libel because once you're
01:28:09
cleared you can sue for liable like I said you were the guy he was asked a lot about why he actually went on the run
01:28:15
because they were like Well why'd you go on the run when you were named to Person
01:28:18
of Interest why wouldn't you just come in and say I didn't do it and give your Alibi and he said quote I will tell you
01:28:23
the reason why I should have been torn to pieces and that's all he would say about it he
01:28:28
was like I would have been torn to pieces if I came out in the daylight after they named me and he was like it's
01:28:33
because you guys named me yeah and if I'd come out people would have just it would have been a mob of people like
01:28:40
taking Justice into their own hands yeah that's true so he was never charged he was just
01:28:47
arrested taken in and let go immediately and they are back to square one and very
01:28:52
shortly after this there is going to be what is known as the double event the double event the double event and
01:29:00
Robert Anderson is still not going to be home for it honey you gotta come home Switzerland is nice but it's time to
01:29:07
wrap it up yeah like yeah what we'll see is he eventually he travels to Paris to
01:29:12
be closer to the stuff and then yet he doesn't eventually come home I'm like get out of Paris buddy you gotta come
01:29:17
down to London yeah come home Doctors Orders schmachter's orders you gotta come back no your mental health is
01:29:24
important so it is but like this is pretty big it is and it's your dream baby you gotta like [ __ ] or get off the
01:29:29
pot leave for your mental health I get that or totally stay and ruin it yeah it's like when this is happening like a
01:29:35
lot of people are counting on the police so they get it together here yeah but yeah that is the story of Annie Chapman
01:29:41
that that one I mean they're all horrifically sad but that one just like from start to finish like and I feel
01:29:48
like a lot of times in these stories too you get these little little glimmers of
01:29:52
hope where they kind of start to get it together like even Paulie went back and stayed with her husband for a little bit
01:29:57
and things were okay okay yeah and then it just went to [ __ ] again yeah it's a
01:30:01
lot of Ebbs like you said Ebbs and flows of happy sad happy sad not even happy really just like content sad content sad
01:30:08
and it's like there really never gets to happiness any word I don't know if there
01:30:11
really was happiness if you like actually I do know there was no happiness if you were poor yeah there
01:30:16
was really which is really [ __ ] up Society is the worst yeah it's pretty rough
01:30:21
uh next one you were gonna talk about the double event I'm gonna get into that we'll get into more of the police
01:30:27
shenanigans um maybe we'll talk about ghosts some more because why the hell not and
01:30:32
because if you have ghosts then you have everything exactly and if um we and we and we hope that you keep
01:30:38
listening yeah please do there's a lot more to come with this and we hope you keep it weird but that's where they
01:30:45
forget to say what at the end of your show again like I just did because wow that's really happening a lot lately and
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I'm concerned for my brain's uh health [Music] laughs foreign [Music]