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Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And
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this bees Morbids.
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[Music]
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This does be morbid. It does be. Um I
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got CO from the meet and greet this
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week.
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>> Yeah, she did. I didn't. I did. And the
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thing is I I knew I would.
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>> Yeah. Something inside told me.
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>> I walked out onto the stage on Sunday
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like to the meet and greet and I was
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like, "One of us is going to get CO and
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it's probably going to be Elena."
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>> Yeah. Cuz co just thinks I'm the tits.
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I'm great. Like CO's like, "Oh my god, I
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love being there."
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>> It's because you don't sleep.
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>> Um it is because I don't sleep. Um this
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isn't asking for unsolicited health
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advice. I I know I I don't sleep well
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because I have children and stuff and
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family stress.
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>> Yeah,
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>> my immune system is [ __ ]
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>> Yeah,
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>> I'm trying to fix it.
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>> But yeah, I get CO a lot.
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>> She does. This is like her fourth time.
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>> It happens. You know,
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>> I've only had it once.
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>> She just knocked on the wall.
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>> Yeah, I did.
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>> I You better believe
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>> a knock on wood. You're like the wall.
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>> The wall. Although I do I know that
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you're like you're you have the good
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blood type, but I want to know what my
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blood type is. Yeah,
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>> cuz I have a pretty root tootin immune
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system.
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>> Yeah, I mean I don't think it has
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anything to do with blood type.
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>> Who knows?
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>> That was like a a thing people said
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>> a past thing. I don't know. Um my immune
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system is far too focused on my IBS.
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>> It's got to it's got to deal with that
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for
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>> which you know what I'm on a again like
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you don't need to tell me advice, but I
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am going to start looking into how to
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cure I'm curing my IBS this year.
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>> Quarter four curing my IBS. Quarter 4.
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>> It's October 1st today. Mark my words.
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Q4. By Q1, IBS gone.
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>> Gone.
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>> I'm done. If I have to cut out cheese,
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so be it.
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>> Oh man.
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>> I'm going to probably die a sad, unhappy
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death without cheese. But
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>> you know
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>> that makes me sad.
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>> I know.
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>> I hate that for you.
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>> I got to figure it out. I got to figure
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it out cuz this life I'm living not
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good.
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>> Yeah. I mean, I constantly feel bad for
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your tummy.
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>> Yeah. It's chronic.
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>> And by association you. And it's so
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stupid. Like anybody with IBS that's
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actually tried to figure out their IBS,
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you go to a GI doctor, they, you know,
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you have a colonoscopy, you want to die
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in that moment, and then you wake up and
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they say, "You just have IBS." And
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you're like, "Oh no, that's crazy. Like,
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what do I do?" And they're like, "I
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don't know."
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>> And you're just like,
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>> "Okay."
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>> It's so true that that's like all
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they've done so far,
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>> literally. It's just like, "Yeah, I
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don't know."
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>> They were like, "You probably eat really
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shitty." And I was like, "No, I I don't
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actually. I eat pretty root and tube."
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They're like, "Nah, you do."
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>> And they were like, "No, no.
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>> I think you do."
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>> And then you Google it and it's like,
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"Try to avoid potatoes." And I'm like,
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"What?
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>> Never.
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>> I'm an Irish.
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>> Who's going to do that?
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>> Not me.
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>> Who's going to do that?"
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>> Although maybe I will. Quarter quarter
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this quarter 4.
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>> Hey, I believe in you.
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>> Thanks. I believe in you, too. Great
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pajamas over there.
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>> Thank you. I'm wearing silky pajamas
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right now because
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>> I I'm sick. So, I'm wearing my pajamas.
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pajammers,
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>> you know. But my fancy ones,
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>> they're nice. The color, they're like a
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jewel tone toned emerald, and they look
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very nice with Big Red's hair over
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there.
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>> Thank you.
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>> I'm in a place of calling Elena Big Red,
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and she is in that place.
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>> I can't be stopped.
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>> I can't be sad.
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>> I know other people are doing it.
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>> Yeah, you guys can do it, too.
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>> You guys can all do it.
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>> Do it.
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>> Hey, weirdos.
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>> I'm Ash and I'm Big Red.
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>> I'm still Big Red.
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Well, anything else that we're doing
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quarter 4?
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>> Um, just healing from co
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>> COVID and various other things.
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>> And various other things. Um, but yeah,
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I think it's it's it's October 1st.
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>> Rabbit rabbit.
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>> I'm I'm really ushering it in with as
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much enthusiasm as I can muster.
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>> You actually are, though.
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>> I am. I've refused to allow October 1st
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to happen and me just wallow in
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sickness. I know. I need to like I want
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to go home and make a yummy meal tonight
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and do like a tarot pull.
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>> I know. That's all I want to do is make
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some food.
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>> Let's do it. Well, you shouldn't make
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anyone food right now.
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>> Throw on a mask and some gloves.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Or I'll just direct John.
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>> Direct John. Cuz John's like I No,
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you're not cooking. And I'm like I love
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it though.
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>> I love it.
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>> I love it. So
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>> cook for yourself. That's a labor of
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love.
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>> There you go. I'll do it for myself and
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I'll just tell him what to do for the
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other.
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>> I actually don't cuz I made you fina.
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>> Oh yes you did.
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>> Yeah. I'm so excited for this.
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>> If you're ever sick, this is this is
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medical advice. If you're ever sick,
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>> legit medical advice.
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>> Pastina.
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>> Yeah.
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>> It's an Italian nona recipe. It's
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literally just like onions, celery,
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carrots, and garlic. And you like
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immersion blend it all up and like
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broth. And then you put it over that
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tiny little star pasta called pastina.
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>> It's a cure all. And if you're me, you
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pack it with parmesan cheese.
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>> It's true. And then I put extra parmesan
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cheese on it when I make it. I like heat
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up.
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>> Big cheese heads for now over here.
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>> It's true. Big cheese heads
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>> for now.
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>> Forever.
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>> Aster.
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>> That's sad. All right. Well,
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>> forever.
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>> Forever. It is officially spooky season
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if you're listening to this. Happy. It's
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no longer proctober.
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>> No, it's not. It's October.
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>> It's October.
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>> It's not goodie proctober anymore.
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>> It's the most wonderful time of the
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year. That's my Halloween spit on the
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song. The most wonderful time of the
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year. I like Thank you. I don't know
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what's happening.
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>> Thanks.
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>> You can't sing it Christmy.
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>> No, you can't cuz it's Halloweeny.
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>> I'm going to blow my nose really quick.
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Don't worry, Mikey will cut it out.
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>> That was That was a lot.
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>> I couldn't breathe out of one side of my
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nose and that was getting very um
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>> upsetting. Okay, I'm back.
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>> Hi,
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>> Mikey cut that out.
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>> What if What if he didn't and everybody
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across the nation just heard your yucky
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snarf into your tissue?
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>> I don't care, but I would feel bad that
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you listened to it. Okay.
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>> But it doesn't bother me.
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>> You don't care from a place of like
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self-conscious.
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>> Yeah. I don't care at all.
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>> Good for you.
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>> It's a normal bodily function.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But I wouldn't want you guys to have to
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endure it.
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>> Yeah. No,
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>> I care about you. Okay.
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>> Big Red cares for others.
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>> I do.
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>> Do you care about alien abductions?
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>> I always care about alien abductions.
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>> That's good cuz we're about to talk
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about one for for a good amount of time.
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>> Let's go, girls.
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>> Today we're talking about the Manhattan
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alien abduction. This one I know very
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little about, but I know of it. I am
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excited. I didn't know anything about
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this and Dave said, "Hey, you want to
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talk about an alien abduction?" And I
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said, "I sure do, partner pal."
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>> Partner pal.
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>> Partner pal. And he said, "Got it."
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>> So he said, "Got it.
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>> Got it." So in early May of 1989, UFO
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investigator aka abducttologist I didn't
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know that's what they were called.
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>> I think that might be Bud's favorite
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term, Bud Hopkins. Uh, he received a
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letter in the mail from Linda
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Napolitano.
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>> Napolitano.
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>> I have to say it like that because
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that's how my guy um taught me how to
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pronounce it. If you ever look up
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pronunciations and you get the French
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man telling you how to say things,
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>> he's right.
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>> He's correct.
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>> Doesn't matter if he's wrong.
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>> Napolitano.
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>> Napolitano.
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>> So, Linda, she was a local woman. She
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lived in Manhattan, lower Manhattan,
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with her husband and her two kids. Bud
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had never met, had never heard of Linda,
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but it wasn't that weird for him to get
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letters from strangers out of the blue
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because he was a pretty outspoken
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believer in extraterrestrial
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visitations.
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>> Hell yeah, he was.
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>> He was a known investigator of claims of
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alien abductions.
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>> Hey yo.
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>> And two years before he had actually
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published a book called Intruders, the
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incredible visitations at Copley Woods.
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>> Whoa.
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>> And that made him a regular on talk
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shows and conventions that like those
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kind of things. So if somebody was
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looking up information on anything alien
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related, his name was going to pop up.
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So Linda probably did that and then she
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found him. That plane is crazy.
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>> That plane is like, "Wait up, landing."
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>> That plane is like, "Hold on, I'm an
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alien." So Linda's letter to Bud was a
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lot like most of the other letters that
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he had gotten in the past, especially
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since his book had been published. She
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wrote to him and she said, "I'm a
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41-year-old wife and mother. I came
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across your book, Intruders, sometime
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last year on a shopping trip. I read
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only a portion of it and then I had to
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put it down. I felt overwhelmed with
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fear because pieces of a 22-year-old
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puzzle may have come together. I don't
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know. I hope I'm wrong.
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>> Wow.
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>> So, she went on to ominous.
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>> It is ominous. She went on to explain
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that since she was a kid living at home,
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she would regularly experience what she
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originally thought were night terrors.
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She said, "At night in my bed, my body
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became numb and too heavy to move. And
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then she said whenever the sensation
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would come over her, she'd close her
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eyes really tight, wait for it to pass,
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but she always had what she said was the
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strange feeling that someone was there,
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a shrouded or hooded person.
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>> You're having sleep paralysis
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>> or maybe I don't know.
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>> Maybe there's crazy [ __ ] in this world
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and in others.
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>> You you are correct.
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>> So she went to her parents, but they
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were like, "Yeah, you're having bad
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dreams." And she just continued to have
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these experiences off and on for the
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next 5 years. She even went to a doctor
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later, she thought maybe she was having
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some kind of health problem that was
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causing the numbness.
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>> Yeah. You don't know.
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>> But after an examination, they
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determined she was in perfect health.
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>> So she got married to her husband Steve
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when she was about 25. And that's when
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the experiences kind of started to taper
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off until they just stopped altogether.
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But then one day, a few months after she
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had her first baby, she was looking at a
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picture of herself and she noticed that
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her nose looked crooked, like it had
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been broken at some point. And she was
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like, "Wait a second, why is my nose all
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crooked?" She said, "I looked in the
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mirror and I touched that area of my
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nose and there was a small bump." So
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that sudden discovery caused her to
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panic. She hadn't had any health
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problems since she had been to the
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doctor a few years earlier. And to her,
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it felt like everything had been going
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well for a while now.
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>> Yeah. So, she immediately scheduled an
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appointment with a specialist to find
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out if she needed to be concerned about
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this bump. And luckily, she was able to
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get an appointment in a couple weeks.
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And she told Bud about this. She said he
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examined the inside and the outside of
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my nose, which was quite embarrassing to
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me. and she said she was incredibly
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relieved when the doctor told her the
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bump was just cartilage that built up
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after whatever surgery she had on her
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nose and there was nothing to worry
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about. Um, but that relief quickly
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turned to confusion because she said,
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"I've never had any kind of surgery on
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my nose." And she said, "I've actually
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never had any surgery at all for that
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matter."
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>> Interesting.
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>> So that didn't make any sense.
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>> And she said he looked at me real funny
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and said, "I definitely had had
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surgery." So instead of going back and
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forth, she was just like, "Okay." And
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then she left the office. She's like,
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"Sounds good."
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>> So in her letter to Bud, she laid out
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experiences like these. And she told
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them she had pretty much come to believe
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that what she was dealing with was some
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kind of contact with extraterrestrials,
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and she hoped maybe he would know how to
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help her.
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>> Yeah. Later, Bud said, "Virtually every
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detail Linda recounted in her 22-year
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saga of mysterious, disturbing events
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was familiar to me from other UFO
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abduction cases."
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>> Damn.
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>> So, in his interviews with other AB uh
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abductees, the majority had described
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having long thin needles or metallic
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probes, you've been probed,
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>> being inserted into their bodies. and
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they felt like they had undergone some
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kind of like exploratory
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surgery. That sounds awful.
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>> Yeah, it does. So, after reading Linda's
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letter, Bud wasted no time reaching out
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to her and he was like, "We got to meet
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in person, girl. We got to talk about
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this."
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>> So, a few days after they spoke on the
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phone, uh, Linda arrived at Bud's office
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where they met in person for the very
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first time. She admitted to him that she
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only read the first 36 pages of
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Intruders, and she stopped when she got
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to the part where Bud described two
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abductees having a quote tiny ball only
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2 or 3 millime in diameter surgically
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implanted into their brains through
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their nasal cavity.
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>> Oh, damn.
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>> Yeah. Given her experience with the ear,
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nose, and throat specialist, that
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description terrified her so much she
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said she couldn't read any further. Oh,
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I don't blame her on that one
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>> cuz she's like, is that what I'm going
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through?
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>> I don't want to picture that that
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happened to me.
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>> So, after 14 years of bizarre and very
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terrifying experiences in the night, she
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was now convinced that she had been
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experimented on and she was the victim
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of some unwanted surgery.
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>> Holy [ __ ]
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>> At the time, Bud had been working with a
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pretty large group of abductees. Uh, he
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was holding support group meetings in
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his apartment and he was doing
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one-on-one hypnosis sessions to kind of
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unblocked memories.
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>> I love Bud.
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>> I do too.
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>> I don't know anything about Bud.
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>> Look up a picture of Bud. He's an
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adorable man.
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>> What is his name?
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>> Uh, Bud Hopkins.
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>> Bud Hopkins.
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>> Yeah. So, he was he was doing these
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hypnosis uh sessions one-on-one. He was
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doing support meetings all in his
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apartment. Doesn't he have the sweetest
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face?
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>> He really does.
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>> Right.
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>> Look at him. I love him.
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>> I hope he's good.
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>> I think he is. I think he really just
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>> If he's not, I just I don't want to
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know.
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>> Right at the top of this,
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>> I think aliens are real.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I don't
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>> I do
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>> know if they abduct us in the night and
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stick things in our brains. I think
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>> I don't know about that.
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>> Pretty uninterested in us as a whole.
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But
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>> yeah,
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>> you know, I don't know.
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>> Yeah,
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>> there's something else.
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>> There's something else. And I think it's
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a little crazy to think that that
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something else is one thing.
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>> Oh, yeah. There's not one part of me
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believe that believes one that we're
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alone in this universe or two that we
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have any [ __ ] clue what is out there.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Like I think we have no clue.
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>> And it's I don't think it's just aliens
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like you know like your typical picture
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of an alien. I think there's many things
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that are probably in the universe and
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probably other universe. I
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>> So true.
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>> Mhm. According to Bud's wife, Carol
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Rainey, who is also beautiful. Google
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her picture. Their apartment was
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constantly filled with abductees, all
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hoping that Bud could provide some sort
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of psychological relief. And he really
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wanted to. I think his I think his uh
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quest was pure.
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>> Love Carol.
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>> Carol's a queen. Yeah. So, most of the
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information about the abductions that
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informed Bud's work came from the
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hypnosis sessions that he was doing with
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these people. And that's where he
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developed his theory about
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extraterrestrial abductions of humans.
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Carol said they were surveying humankind
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and intruding their lives in the same
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way that we intrude into the lives of
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wildlife that we want to track and
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follow.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Which at its core is pretty simple.
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>> I was going to say very simple.
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>> Makes sense.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Now, Carol, Carol Rainey was a
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documentary filmmaker at the time. She
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mostly dealt with scientific subject
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matter and she said, "Before I met Bud,
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I was a UFO virgin. I had almost no
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reason to understand what they were
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other than some mythical thing."
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>> I mean, yeah,
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>> we're all there. That's pretty much how
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I feel. Even though at the time she
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didn't really know much about aliens or
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abductions or anything like that, she
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had the mind of a documentarian. So, she
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obviously saw this as a pretty
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fascinating opportunity.
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>> And so, she started to document Bud's
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work with the abductees. Um, and she
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would record whenever she was given
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permission.
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>> Ah,
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>> and because of that, Bud Hopkins
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investigations and his research actually
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became some of the most well doumented
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in the entire field.
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>> Good for them. Yeah, they really did the
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damn thing.
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>> Sort of a power couple a little bit.
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>> In later interviews, Carol remembered
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how excited Bud was after he met Linda
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and after he heard her story. She said
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Bud was very, very taken with Linda. He
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described her as being an attractive
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woman in her 40s. He believed that she
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was very, very credible and that she'd
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been traumatized.
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Me, I would have started a fight over
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that.
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Yeah. If my mans came home and said, "I
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met this lady today. She's so
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fascinating. She got abducted by aliens.
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She's attracted. I'd be like, because
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there there in lies the problem. You
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want to You come home and you say, I met
00:16:13
this lady today. She got I think she got
00:16:16
abducted by aliens. It's fascinating.
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The story is wild. I believe she's
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genuine. I think we can do something
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here. I'd be like, let's go.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Ride or die. Let's Where do we need to
00:16:25
go? Tell me what needs to happen as soon
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as you mention. And she's also wildly
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attractive. I'm going to be like, why
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did you feel like that needed to be part
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of it? Why did you feel like that needed
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to be part of it?
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>> Yeah, be toxic. Start a fight about
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that.
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>> Like, feel what you want to feel, dude.
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But that didn't that didn't need to be
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part of that.
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>> Yeah, I was really
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>> Nothing about the alien abduction
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requires her to be hot.
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>> I was really rooting for Bud and I still
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am. But
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>> I am, too. We all make mistakes. You
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>> know,
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>> that's a little tick in his column.
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>> That was a pretty That was dumb.
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>> That was That was a silly one.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And Carol, I hope she started to fight
00:16:55
over it.
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>> She's a real one. If she didn't,
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>> she probably did.
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>> Like, if I know Carol, I think she was
00:17:00
like, "Back it up. Back it up." What was
00:17:02
that? So, here's the thing. He's very
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excited about this. And unlike many of
00:17:07
the abductees that Bud had interviewed
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in the past, Linda hadn't just been
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abducted once. Bud actually suspected
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that she had a long history of abduct of
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abductions dating back to childhood. And
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he was hoping that maybe they could
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unlock some of those memories through
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one of his hypnotic regression sessions.
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>> Yeah. So, they did that. And during
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their first session together, Linda
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described a memory from childhood where
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she was in her bedroom at her parents
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house. Later, she said, "What I saw at
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the age of eight looking out the bedroom
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window was perceived through a child's
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eyes. To me at the time, it was
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something like Casper the ghost and
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Christmas lights or a large toy top."
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Huh.
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>> Seeing it again during hypnosis as an
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adult, I saw a different picture. It was
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a cone-shaped object approximately 9 ft
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by 13 feet that glided across and over
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the rooftops of a multiple dwelling
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complex. This wasn't a dream, and I
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wonder what all the other people thought
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when they saw it. I'm sure I wasn't the
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only one.
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>> Interesting.
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>> That is terrifying.
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>> It's very interesting, too, cuz it's
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like, what did everybody else think?
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>> Exactly.
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>> Yeah. So, in the months that followed,
00:18:15
Linda went back to Bud's apartment tons
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and tons of times to continue these
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hypnosis sessions in an effort to unlock
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any kind of other memories that she had.
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And it seemed like every time they did
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one of these sessions, a new piece of
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the puzzle revealed itself. Eventually,
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Linda was recalling incidents where she
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was transported out of her bedroom uh by
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beings that she described as short,
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white, and dark with very intense eyes.
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In other sessions, she remembered being
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examined by those entities in ways that
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made her feel very uncomfortable. In one
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recorded hypnosis session, she says,
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"I'm outside. My night gown is above my
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head, and I wish they'd put it down.
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They start saying things to me, and I'm
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yelling. He puts his hand over my mouth,
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and then I can't talk anymore."
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>> Oh, I hate that a lot.
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>> So scary.
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>> I hate that a lot.
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>> Finally, after multiple hypnosis
00:19:01
sessions, Linda was able to recall an
00:19:03
incident that would become critical to
00:19:05
her years of experiences. In the
00:19:08
recording, she says, "They're looking at
00:19:09
my nose. I can feel it." And then they
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go to the right side and they're looking
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inside of there. And in hypnosis still,
00:19:16
she told Bud that the aliens were
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examining her eyes and nose with a
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strong light. And then all of a sudden,
00:19:23
she felt various parts of her body go
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numb all at once. Oo. She said only her
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nose and her eyes had feeling, and that
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they kept examining her, and then they
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produced a tray of tools that looked
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like dental equipment. Oh, she said one
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instrument had a long ball at the end of
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it or had a ball at the end of it,
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excuse me, and that the instrument was
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long. She remembered them inserting this
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instrument with the ball on it into both
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of her nostrils, and she said she didn't
00:19:50
feel any pain. She told Bud they seemed
00:19:53
very pleased. And after that, she
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remembered being led down a series of
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hallways, and the next thing she knew,
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she was awake in her room at home, and
00:20:01
her husband Steve was asleep beside her.
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>> I hate that a lot. Yeah. So, up to this
00:20:08
point, Linda's experiences were pretty
00:20:10
similar to others that Bud had worked
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with in his career. But that all changed
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on the night of November 30th, 1989. It
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was a little past 3:00 a.m. and Linda
00:20:20
woke up abruptly. She was very
00:20:21
terrified. By that point, she had
00:20:24
actually she put measures into place
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before she would go to bed to try not to
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get abducted.
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>> Can you imagine having to do that?
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>> No. And like I do feel for her having to
00:20:34
like explain that to somebody that maybe
00:20:36
I don't I don't know how her husband
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felt about all this, but it's like you
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you would feel a little crazy.
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>> So, but she would double check the locks
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on the doors, double check the windows
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before she'd go to bed. She actually
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slept with a stun gun on her bedside
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table.
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>> But when she woke up in that moment, she
00:20:52
said she felt like she forgot something.
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She said, "Then I realized I forgot to
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look behind the drapes."
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>> Shut up. I was like, "That's horror
00:21:01
movie [ __ ]
00:21:01
>> Shut up immediately."
00:21:02
>> She said suddenly she felt her body go
00:21:04
completely numb like it always did when
00:21:06
she was about to get abducted. And she
00:21:08
said she sensed a presence in the room
00:21:10
just like all the other times.
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>> She said she felt herself rise off the
00:21:15
bed like she was being lifted from a
00:21:17
sleeping position. And it seemed to her
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that she was floating toward the window,
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then through the window and out into the
00:21:23
air. The [ __ ] Later during hypnosis,
00:21:27
she said, "I'm outside. It's weird. I'm
00:21:29
standing up on nothing and they take me
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up all the way up. It opens almost like
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a clam.
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>> Huh.
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>> So, for Linda, this experience wasn't
00:21:38
super different from all the others. She
00:21:40
was taken into an unfamiliar aircraft,
00:21:42
examined by the beings, and then she was
00:21:44
returned to her bed. This happened a lot
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before.
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>> Yeah. You know,
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>> and the next day, she called Bud first
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thing in the morning to tell him what
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happened. And he was like, "Get your ass
00:21:51
here immediately. We are doing
00:21:52
hypnosis." Yeah.
00:21:53
>> Got to document what we what happens in
00:21:55
hypnosis.
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So she continues her hypnosis sessions
00:21:59
with Bud. She participated in his
00:22:01
support group on a pretty regular basis
00:22:03
in the year that followed and she was
00:22:06
really like slowly building out her
00:22:08
memories and expanding the narrative and
00:22:10
becoming more informed about what was
00:22:11
happening to her.
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>> Yeah, she wanted to be a part of it.
00:22:14
>> Then in February of 1991, Bud got a
00:22:17
letter that would elevate Linda's case
00:22:19
to a level of legitimacy very rarely
00:22:22
seen by UFO researchers.
00:22:24
>> Damn. or abducttologists
00:22:26
>> if you're nasty.
00:22:27
>> If you're nasty. So, the envelope
00:22:29
arrived at Bud's apartment with the note
00:22:31
personal and important scrolled on the
00:22:34
outside. As somebody who dealt with
00:22:36
controversial and a lot of times very
00:22:38
personal subjects, it wasn't that
00:22:40
strange for him to get a letter like
00:22:41
that. But it was clear once he opened
00:22:44
the envelope that this one was
00:22:46
different.
00:22:47
>> The letter read, "Dear Mr. Hopkins, my
00:22:49
partner and I are police officers. We
00:22:51
have been in a serious dilemma because
00:22:53
of our strict profession and our lack of
00:22:55
knowledge on this subject. Now, what
00:22:58
followed was a two-page story that would
00:23:01
forever change the lives of Bud, Linda,
00:23:04
and Bud's wife, Carol. Let's go. The
00:23:07
letter was signed police officers Dan
00:23:10
and Richard and described what was to
00:23:13
them a very baffling experience that
00:23:16
they had had on November 30th, 1989.
00:23:21
Oh, excuse you.
00:23:22
>> If that date sounds familiar to you,
00:23:24
that's the night that Linda woke up
00:23:26
after all her precautions, but she had
00:23:28
forgot looking behind the drapes and she
00:23:29
drifted up outside of her window.
00:23:31
>> Oh my goodness. I always wonder what the
00:23:34
odds are of this cuz when it's one
00:23:36
story, you're like, "All right, maybe
00:23:38
>> it's one story. Sure, like fun to listen
00:23:41
to, whatever." But it's these mass ones
00:23:44
where it's like a bunch of people
00:23:46
>> like what happened to the in the
00:23:47
Birkshars and stuff which we'll talk
00:23:49
about eventually
00:23:50
>> or even the one that you covered um
00:23:52
>> Betty and Barney Hill.
00:23:53
>> Yeah. Betty and Barney Hill incident.
00:23:55
>> It's like when more people are involved
00:23:57
and see things you just wonder like how
00:24:01
>> Yeah. How if not UFO, why a UFO shape?
00:24:05
>> Exactly. That's the thing. Like it does
00:24:07
make you think
00:24:08
>> there's something.
00:24:09
>> I think there is.
00:24:09
>> That's the thing. There's something.
00:24:11
There is.
00:24:14
[Music]
00:24:25
So, according to the writers, they had
00:24:27
been out on patrol near FDR Drive in
00:24:30
Manhattan around 3:30 in the morning
00:24:32
when they saw a quote strange oval
00:24:34
hovering near or hovering over the top
00:24:38
of an apartment building two or three
00:24:39
blocks from where we were sitting. They
00:24:42
said they watched as the colors emitted
00:24:44
by the shape changed from red to orange
00:24:46
and then to blue. And they said things
00:24:48
got considerably stranger when the shape
00:24:50
lowered towards a building and they
00:24:52
watched as a quote little girl little
00:24:54
girl or woman wearing a full night gown
00:24:57
was floating in midair in a bright beam
00:24:59
of whitish blue looking like an angel.
00:25:04
What the [ __ ] When I first read that, I
00:25:07
got chills. Okay, so we've taken it a
00:25:10
step further. Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, we're not
00:25:12
just seeing the same thing. We're seeing
00:25:15
other people's experiences that they
00:25:17
have already talked about.
00:25:18
>> Yeah.
00:25:19
>> So, what the [ __ ]
00:25:20
>> They said from where they were standing,
00:25:22
it looked like three smaller beings were
00:25:24
directing the woman into the oval.
00:25:27
>> So, they said once they were inside this
00:25:29
massive object, the thing changed colors
00:25:31
again. And then it disappeared into the
00:25:34
Hudson River and never came back out.
00:25:37
>> It disappeared into the river.
00:25:39
>> Into the Hudson River. They wrote, "On
00:25:41
top of our fear of getting involved, we
00:25:43
were also carrying a load of guilt
00:25:44
because we didn't help her and we don't
00:25:46
know what's become of her."
00:25:48
>> Oh my god, these poor people.
00:25:50
>> They felt guilty
00:25:51
>> and that they were like, "We don't know
00:25:52
what's happened to her." Like, we got to
00:25:54
help her.
00:25:54
>> Is she in there? We never saw her come
00:25:56
out.
00:25:56
>> Oh my god.
00:25:57
>> So, according to the letter, the
00:25:59
officers had spent the previous 15
00:26:01
months debating what they should tell
00:26:04
anybody or if they should tell anybody
00:26:06
about what they'd seen. And ultimately
00:26:08
they decided they needed to tell
00:26:10
somebody what they saw. So they sought
00:26:12
out somebody who might actually believe
00:26:13
them and that's what led them to Bud.
00:26:15
>> That's unbelievable.
00:26:16
>> So they also wanted to know if the woman
00:26:19
that they had seen had survived the
00:26:20
experience. They said someone else had
00:26:23
to see what happened that morning.
00:26:24
>> Yeah. I mean if they did
00:26:26
>> Yeah. By the time he got the letter, Bud
00:26:28
had just become accustomed to hearing
00:26:29
stories from supposed abductees that
00:26:31
were unable to be verified by
00:26:33
independent parties. So, it never
00:26:34
occurred to him that Linda's abduction
00:26:36
could have been witnessed by other
00:26:38
people.
00:26:38
>> Yeah.
00:26:39
>> Uh even in New York City, the city that
00:26:41
never sleeps, it shuts down for a little
00:26:43
little while. And Linda's abduction
00:26:45
happened in the very early hours of the
00:26:46
morning. So, he was like, I don't know,
00:26:49
like I don't think anybody saw it. But
00:26:51
if these two police officers had
00:26:53
witnessed the incident, Bud thought,
00:26:55
well, then it's entirely possible that
00:26:57
other people might have seen something,
00:26:59
>> of course.
00:26:59
>> And if they were out there, he was going
00:27:01
to find them.
00:27:02
>> Hell yeah, he was. So after he got the
00:27:03
letter from Richard and Dan, he called
00:27:05
Linda and the two of them met at his
00:27:07
apartment later that afternoon. The
00:27:09
letter was remarkable for many, many
00:27:11
reasons. For one thing, it appeared to
00:27:13
corroborate so many aspects from Linda's
00:27:16
account that she'd given Bud a year and
00:27:17
a half earlier at this point. And they
00:27:20
also correctly identified the
00:27:22
approximate time and location of the
00:27:24
abduction.
00:27:25
>> Wow. And they could do that confirmed
00:27:28
the color, the shape of the unidentified
00:27:30
craft, the lights it admitted, and even
00:27:33
the color of the night gown that Linda
00:27:34
was wearing that night.
00:27:36
>> That's the part that gets me.
00:27:37
>> All the details are like check, check,
00:27:39
check.
00:27:41
>> So, at first, Linda was like, I don't
00:27:42
know what to make of this. And she said
00:27:45
maybe they had seen somebody else who
00:27:47
lived near her get abducted. She like
00:27:49
couldn't fathom that it was her.
00:27:51
>> She's like, I don't know. Maybe my
00:27:52
neighbor got abducted that night. He's
00:27:54
like, "Ah, maybe it wasn't me." And Bud
00:27:57
was like, "I'm sure it's possible that
00:27:58
maybe they saw something else, but it's
00:28:00
equally possible and more likely that
00:28:03
they saw you get abducted. And if that
00:28:05
was the case, these two were an
00:28:07
invaluable asset in proving the validity
00:28:10
of these experiences that people have."
00:28:12
>> So Bud insisted that it was incredibly
00:28:14
important they do everything they could
00:28:16
to keep their account of that night
00:28:18
separate from Linda's. and he laid out a
00:28:20
strategy where if either man contacted
00:28:23
him again, he would try to get their
00:28:24
version of events on tape or at least
00:28:26
written down. And he urged Linda, he
00:28:29
said, "If either of these guys reach out
00:28:31
to you, don't speak to them. Just call
00:28:34
me or Carol."
00:28:35
>> Yeah.
00:28:35
>> Because that way they could ensure that
00:28:37
no neither of the stories were tainted.
00:28:39
>> That makes sense.
00:28:40
>> Which I was like, "All right,
00:28:41
>> look at him doing real like
00:28:43
investigative work."
00:28:44
>> Yeah. And I feel like that really proves
00:28:46
to me that his his intent was pure here.
00:28:48
Yeah, cuz otherwise he would be like, I
00:28:50
don't know, you guys can talk to each
00:28:52
other and figure it out.
00:28:53
>> Yeah, he was really, like you just said,
00:28:54
trying to do it like scientific way.
00:28:57
>> So, despite having agreed to Bud's
00:28:59
strategy, just 2 weeks after he got the
00:29:01
letter, Bud got a call from Linda, who
00:29:03
was very upset.
00:29:05
>> Richard and Dan, she said, had shown up
00:29:07
at her house a few hours earlier and
00:29:09
asked to speak with her. And she told
00:29:11
Bud that she asked to see their
00:29:13
identification, and they showed her gold
00:29:15
badges through the peepphole in her
00:29:17
door. So, she was worried that since
00:29:18
they were detectives, she couldn't turn
00:29:20
them away. According to Linda, one of
00:29:23
them, Richard, was very nice, very
00:29:26
polite, and the other guy, Dan, seemed
00:29:28
kind of angry and hostile, and she was
00:29:31
actually worried that he might assault
00:29:32
her if she wasn't fully cooperative with
00:29:34
so she was nervous.
00:29:36
>> Yeah.
00:29:37
>> So, Richard explained to her that they
00:29:39
wanted to know how she managed to
00:29:41
levitate levitate outside of her window
00:29:43
12 stories up from the street.
00:29:44
>> Valid question, I think. He said, "We've
00:29:46
been feeling pretty bad about what's
00:29:48
happened." And he asked if there was
00:29:49
anything they could do to help. And it
00:29:51
was at that point that she said there
00:29:52
was. And she said, "Contact Bud
00:29:54
Hopkins."
00:29:55
>> Yeah. Apparently, she said that request
00:29:58
changed the tone of the discussion. They
00:30:01
both made it very clear that their work
00:30:02
was of very sensitive nature and they
00:30:05
wanted to remain anonymous.
00:30:07
>> Okay.
00:30:08
>> Selinda was like, "Okay, I understand."
00:30:10
And she suggested that maybe they could
00:30:12
record their account of the event on an
00:30:14
audio tape and send it to Bud at the
00:30:16
address where they sent the letter.
00:30:18
>> Yeah.
00:30:18
>> And she said Richard looked like he was
00:30:20
going to break down and cry, but they
00:30:22
agreed to make a recording and then they
00:30:24
left the apartment.
00:30:25
>> Okay.
00:30:26
>> So, the letter that Bud received in the
00:30:28
mail was one thing, but a recording of
00:30:29
the events in Richard and Dan's own
00:30:31
voices would have been something else
00:30:33
entirely.
00:30:34
>> Yeah.
00:30:34
>> And again, it would lend a great amount
00:30:36
of credibility to this case. But there
00:30:38
were still nagging questions that would
00:30:41
need to be resolved if their evidence
00:30:42
was going to be believed. Um, who were
00:30:45
they was a big thing.
00:30:46
>> Yeah, that's a big thing.
00:30:47
>> Like who are these two?
00:30:48
>> Who are you?
00:30:50
>> Who are you? Carol said later, the
00:30:52
entrance of Dan and Richard into Linda's
00:30:54
story that was like a shot of
00:30:55
adrenaline. Whether they were policemen
00:30:57
or agents, nobody knew.
00:30:59
>> Ah,
00:31:00
>> all they knew was that Richard had
00:31:02
identified them both as police officers
00:31:04
in his letter. But then when they went
00:31:06
and visited Linda, she said they were
00:31:08
detectives.
00:31:09
>> Oh, okay. That's different.
00:31:10
>> It is different. And now they're like,
00:31:12
"Who are these [ __ ] guys?"
00:31:14
>> So now determined to find out the
00:31:16
identities of Richard and Dan, Bud spent
00:31:18
the next few weeks just going from one
00:31:20
precinct to the other, asking if they
00:31:22
had officers or detectives or anybody
00:31:25
that matched the descriptions that Linda
00:31:27
provided of these two guys. If the
00:31:29
person at the desk said, "Yeah, they
00:31:30
did." Like, "Somebody looks like that
00:31:32
here." Bud left a note urging them to
00:31:34
get in contact as soon as possible and
00:31:37
just wrote how important the work was to
00:31:39
humanity.
00:31:40
>> Which I was like, that's really sweet.
00:31:42
>> I mean, it's true.
00:31:43
>> It is. Yeah.
00:31:44
>> Yeah. When you really think about it,
00:31:45
>> he said it's important to humanity and
00:31:47
their participation was vital.
00:31:49
>> So,
00:31:49
>> he cares so much about this.
00:31:51
>> He does. I think he seems like he was
00:31:55
afraid of what aliens wanted like or
00:31:57
what he thought were aliens wanted with
00:31:59
humans.
00:31:59
>> I mean, valid,
00:32:00
>> which I understand.
00:32:02
>> Yeah. So, not surprisingly, uh, he never
00:32:04
got a response from any of the precincts
00:32:05
where he left notes.
00:32:06
>> I'm not super shocked by that.
00:32:08
>> But just a few days after visiting one
00:32:10
of the last precincts in Manhattan, an
00:32:13
audio tape arrived in the mail.
00:32:14
>> Ooh. Bud did not recognize the voice on
00:32:17
the tape, but the man indicated he was
00:32:19
Richard, the one who sent the letter and
00:32:22
the one who was visited who had visited
00:32:24
Linda.
00:32:24
>> Oh [ __ ]
00:32:25
>> He said, "I suppose Linda's already
00:32:27
spoken to you about our unexpected visit
00:32:29
to her apartment one evening. Indeed, it
00:32:31
was very uncomfortable to say the least.
00:32:33
The subject matter was the strangest
00:32:35
ever in my line of work. He was super
00:32:37
sympathetic to Linda's situation and he
00:32:39
said, "I understand how important this
00:32:41
is to you, but I can't get involved and
00:32:44
neither can my partner." He said, "What
00:32:46
happened left us all victims of
00:32:48
circumstance. After seeing her and
00:32:50
speaking with her, we could see just how
00:32:52
frightened and sincere she was. Please
00:32:54
respect the importance of our
00:32:56
credibility at work. We just can't be
00:32:58
identified. we'd be laughed at.
00:33:00
>> Wow. So, they're like scared.
00:33:03
>> Yeah. They don't want like actual real
00:33:05
consequences to to this whole thing,
00:33:07
which is also just like
00:33:10
>> shitty. Everybody's just such a bummer
00:33:13
like that that everybody like treats
00:33:15
each other this way still.
00:33:16
>> Yeah. Like you
00:33:17
>> if someone's enthusiastic about someone
00:33:19
and really like believes or something
00:33:21
>> something
00:33:22
>> like
00:33:23
>> let them be enthusiastic about it.
00:33:24
>> Mel Robbins, let them
00:33:26
>> just let them
00:33:27
>> let them. I feel like we all, especially
00:33:29
adults, everybody gets too up in
00:33:31
everybody's like [ __ ] of and like judges
00:33:33
people for enthusiasm about something
00:33:37
>> just because it's not their thing,
00:33:38
>> right? Or because they think it's crazy.
00:33:40
>> Yeah. It's like I don't know. I think we
00:33:41
just need to stop sucking so much.
00:33:43
>> We probably should try that.
00:33:44
>> Yeah,
00:33:45
>> let's give it a go.
00:33:46
>> Let's try that. We haven't tried that
00:33:47
yet. So,
00:33:48
>> not not collectively.
00:33:50
>> As a society, we have yet to try not
00:33:53
sucking so much.
00:33:54
>> I think we should give it a shot.
00:33:55
>> Yeah. I think it's just one of those
00:33:56
things. Give it a shot. See what
00:33:58
happens.
00:33:58
>> One, two, three, go.
00:34:00
>> All right, I'm trying. Let's see if you
00:34:02
all are.
00:34:03
>> So, for Bud, the recording was an equal
00:34:05
mix of excitement and frustration.
00:34:07
>> Yeah.
00:34:08
>> On one hand, it seemed to prove that
00:34:09
Linda was telling the truth about her
00:34:11
abduction and everything from November
00:34:13
30th.
00:34:14
>> But on the other hand, it was all pretty
00:34:15
meaningless if these people these guys
00:34:17
weren't willing to come forward and
00:34:19
identify themselves publicly and like go
00:34:21
on record. Of course,
00:34:22
>> what he needed were additional witnesses
00:34:24
to corroborate Linda's story. And to his
00:34:27
great surprise, that's exactly what he
00:34:29
got in the weeks that followed. Oh,
00:34:31
honey. So, like I mentioned earlier, by
00:34:33
the time he met Linda, 1989, Bud Hopkins
00:34:36
had he already had like a fairly regular
00:34:39
media presence, especially when it came
00:34:41
to UFOs, the subject of them. He did a
00:34:43
lot of talk shows. He gave commentary
00:34:45
about his work. And bringing Linda into
00:34:47
the fold only made him a more compelling
00:34:49
guest. And soon they were appearing on
00:34:52
Haraldo, Oprah, like
00:34:54
>> Haraldo,
00:34:55
>> bigname talk shows. The higherprofile
00:34:58
appearances resulted in several
00:34:59
witnesses coming forward to Bud to
00:35:02
report having witnessed Linda's
00:35:03
abduction on November 30th.
00:35:06
>> Oh my god.
00:35:07
>> Ultimately, he collected Bud collected
00:35:09
22 statements from what he believed to
00:35:11
be independent, reliable witnesses from
00:35:14
all walks of life.
00:35:16
>> Okay. the statements uh managed to sway
00:35:18
a lot of people who weren't sure what to
00:35:20
think of Linda's story, including Bud's
00:35:21
wife, Carol, because at first she wasn't
00:35:23
sure.
00:35:23
>> Yeah.
00:35:24
>> She said, "The Linda case was
00:35:25
fascinating to me because there were
00:35:27
numerous people who had seen her be
00:35:28
abducted out of her window and up into
00:35:30
that craft. Like the letter from Richard
00:35:33
and Dan, one statement after another
00:35:35
seemed to corroborate her story. One
00:35:37
woman told Bud, "I don't believe in
00:35:39
flying saucers, but it was a clear view.
00:35:41
It was uh glowing, shiny. I just kept
00:35:44
staring at it." There you go.
00:35:46
>> Others recalled seeing a woman float out
00:35:48
of her 12story window and hover above
00:35:50
the ground. And some just kept it
00:35:52
simple, saying, "We were scared. We
00:35:53
didn't know what was going on."
00:35:55
>> I had no [ __ ] clue what was going on.
00:35:56
I just knew it terrified me.
00:35:57
>> I would be in that category.
00:35:59
>> Truly.
00:36:00
>> Yeah. Like seeing a woman float outside
00:36:01
of her window would be unusual enough
00:36:03
for a lot of people to remember.
00:36:05
>> Yeah. I think I'd just be like, I don't
00:36:06
know what the [ __ ] going on, but I
00:36:08
know I don't like it.
00:36:09
>> I hate it here.
00:36:09
>> Yeah. And here's the thing, like again,
00:36:12
seeing a woman float outside of her
00:36:13
window, most people would remember that
00:36:14
no matter what. Yeah.
00:36:16
>> But what also helped a lot of people
00:36:17
remember with a lot of clarity was that
00:36:21
the abduction actually coincided with a
00:36:23
blackout across that specific
00:36:25
neighborhood.
00:36:26
>> Ah, one witness called Janet remembered
00:36:28
that she was driving toward the Brooklyn
00:36:30
Bridge and she just stopped to light a
00:36:32
cigarette when all the lights went out.
00:36:34
>> I was like, that's like some [ __ ] out of
00:36:35
a movie.
00:36:36
>> That's terrifying. She said, "My first
00:36:38
impression was they're making a movie."
00:36:40
And she said she remembered thinking,
00:36:42
"What did they do to the bridge? It
00:36:43
didn't look real." But she said what she
00:36:45
remembered most were the lights
00:36:47
emanating from the object in the sky.
00:36:49
>> She said to Bud, "First it looked like
00:36:51
an explosion almost because it was so
00:36:53
red and white. That's what caught me.
00:36:55
And then the red subdued and it got
00:36:57
white. Then I saw these balls. They all
00:36:59
just tumbled out. And from the distance
00:37:01
I thought it was a little girl."
00:37:02
>> Oh.
00:37:03
>> Which is the second time now that
00:37:04
somebody said that.
00:37:05
>> Absolutely. Another witness who was
00:37:08
delivering newspapers at the time also
00:37:10
remembered the blackout, particularly
00:37:12
because it allowed him to see also the
00:37:14
craft of the lights in the sky with much
00:37:16
more clarity. He said, "I'd been working
00:37:18
at the New York Post delivering
00:37:20
newspapers out in Queens for almost 20
00:37:22
years, and on the way back, I could take
00:37:24
the bridge. I was confronted with a
00:37:26
blackout, the truck dying, and all of a
00:37:28
sudden, I saw a bunch of lights in front
00:37:30
of me. I didn't know what I was looking
00:37:31
at. And then I saw what it was. It
00:37:34
scared the heck out of me. And then I
00:37:36
saw a woman coming out a window.
00:37:38
>> So it's like what? Like what the [ __ ]
00:37:41
For Bud, the witness statements were the
00:37:42
latest piece of the puzzle that he
00:37:44
believed would finally confirm beyond a
00:37:46
reasonable doubt that aliens had visited
00:37:48
the Earth and were abducting humans for
00:37:50
some kind of experimental purposes.
00:37:53
>> Shit's going down. At the very least,
00:37:55
>> [ __ ] is going down in Manhattan.
00:37:57
>> Some [ __ ] is going down.
00:37:59
>> It is. But little did Bud know, the
00:38:01
statements were just the beginning of a
00:38:03
much stranger story that would end up
00:38:05
having personal, very serious
00:38:07
consequences.
00:38:08
>> Oh no, Bud.
00:38:09
>> So after almost 2 years of working with
00:38:11
Linda, Bud had collected a very thorough
00:38:14
account of her history of abductions,
00:38:16
mostly through those hypnotic regression
00:38:18
sessions and the witness statements from
00:38:20
Richard and Dan and of course the other
00:38:22
witnesses who had come forward. But by
00:38:24
1991, the question that remained was
00:38:27
what now? Yeah. like what are we going
00:38:29
to do with all this?
00:38:30
>> What now?
00:38:30
>> They still hadn't managed to fully
00:38:32
identify their two most reliable and
00:38:34
credible witnesses, Richard and Dan. And
00:38:36
the other witness's statement, they
00:38:38
statements didn't seem like enough proof
00:38:40
that would be able to sway skeptics and
00:38:42
critics. Those people wanted like
00:38:44
verifiable proof,
00:38:45
>> hardcore proof. Exactly. Now, that proof
00:38:48
seemed elusive at best. But then one day
00:38:51
in 1991, Linda remembered a particularly
00:38:54
significant event that she somehow
00:38:56
neglected to tell Bud in their two years
00:38:58
of working together.
00:39:00
>> During their various interviews and
00:39:02
casual conversation, she told Bud about
00:39:04
how she noticed that bump on her nose
00:39:06
that really kind of started this whole
00:39:08
thing.
00:39:08
>> Remember the specialist examined her,
00:39:10
insisted it was something like scar
00:39:12
tissue from a previous surgery.
00:39:14
>> Yeah. But what she didn't mention before
00:39:17
was that just a few weeks before her
00:39:19
abduction on November 30th, Linda went
00:39:21
to visit her niece Lisa Bear, a
00:39:23
podiatric surgeon in Pikipsy. So it's
00:39:25
like a foot doctor, foot doctor, foot
00:39:27
doctor. While she was there, Linda told
00:39:29
her niece about what the doctor said
00:39:31
about the nose surgery. And she also was
00:39:34
telling her about frequent nose bleeds
00:39:35
that she kept getting.
00:39:36
>> Dang.
00:39:37
>> So seeing that the situation was causing
00:39:39
her aunt a lot of distress, Lisa
00:39:41
suggested that she take an X-ray of
00:39:43
Linda's nose. So, at the very least, she
00:39:45
could set her mind at ease about any
00:39:47
potential illnesses. And what they
00:39:49
discovered was shocking.
00:39:52
>> According to Linda, she said the only
00:39:54
X-ray machine had in her office was the
00:39:56
one she used to x-ray people's feet. So,
00:39:58
she had to get down on the floor and
00:40:00
stick her head under the machine in
00:40:02
order for Linda to capture the image.
00:40:04
>> And after Lisa took the X-ray, Linda had
00:40:08
to leave to catch a train. So, she
00:40:10
wasn't able to go over the results with
00:40:11
her niece.
00:40:12
>> Okay. A week passed without any word
00:40:14
from Lisa. So Linda Linda just assumed
00:40:16
that the image didn't show anything or
00:40:18
you know didn't amount to anything. But
00:40:22
years later in discussing the X-ray with
00:40:24
Bud, Lisa said it's not a perfect
00:40:27
picture, but when I developed it, I was
00:40:29
stunned when I saw the thing in the side
00:40:31
of her nostril. That's Lisa said that. I
00:40:33
think I said Linda. Lisa said I was even
00:40:36
afraid to use the phone to call her and
00:40:38
tell her about it.
00:40:39
>> Oh man. The X-ray shows what is very
00:40:41
clearly a human head in the pro in
00:40:43
profile with a focus on the front of the
00:40:45
head. And in one of the nasal cavities,
00:40:48
there appears to be a small metal coil
00:40:51
that almost looks like a spring with
00:40:52
like a a ball cap, a ball or like a cap
00:40:56
on on both ends.
00:40:58
>> What the [ __ ]
00:40:58
>> In his book about the case, Bud
00:41:00
describes the object as a complex radio
00:41:04
metallic object.
00:41:06
>> What? So she like had some weird [ __ ] in
00:41:08
her nose.
00:41:09
To Bud, the X-ray was exactly the kind
00:41:12
of irrefutable evidence that he thought
00:41:14
would sway skeptics and prove his theory
00:41:16
about aliens interfering with humanity.
00:41:18
>> Yeah, cuz why the [ __ ] is that in her
00:41:20
nose?
00:41:20
>> Yeah, what the hell? But before they
00:41:22
could celebrate the discovery or make
00:41:23
plans to go public, another incident
00:41:25
with Richard and Dan set things off into
00:41:28
a very frightening direction. or nor
00:41:30
>> since her first meeting with the
00:41:32
mysterious Richard and Dan more than a
00:41:34
year earlier, Linda was sure that they
00:41:36
had actually been following her and like
00:41:38
surveying her.
00:41:39
>> Oh,
00:41:40
>> she even started carrying a gun for
00:41:41
protection. She was so scared. Every now
00:41:43
and then she'd be walking down the
00:41:45
street or waiting for a bus and she
00:41:46
would see a man resembling Dan following
00:41:49
her or waiting behind her on the corner.
00:41:52
>> Ew.
00:41:52
>> And when she was at home, she said she
00:41:54
was convinced they bugged her apartment.
00:41:56
>> Oh, [ __ ] that. Bud also started to
00:41:59
believe that the FBI was watching the
00:42:00
both of them and monitoring their
00:42:02
movements. And he went as far as
00:42:04
borrowing what Carol Rainey described as
00:42:06
high-end equipment from a friend who
00:42:08
worked in security, which he used to
00:42:10
sweep his and Linda's apartment for
00:42:12
bugs, but they never found any bugs.
00:42:14
>> What the [ __ ]
00:42:15
>> So things came to an alarming head in
00:42:18
late April of 91, not long after Bud
00:42:21
first saw that X-ray of Linda's nose. By
00:42:23
that time, he insisted that Linda wear a
00:42:25
wire and a recording device in case she
00:42:28
had any run-in with Richard and Dan.
00:42:30
>> Damn.
00:42:31
>> And on the afternoon of April 29th, Bud
00:42:33
was at home and he got a call from a
00:42:35
very frantic Linda. She said, "Bud,
00:42:38
Richard and Dan abducted me." What?
00:42:42
Abducted her?
00:42:44
Like, I've been kidnapped. She said they
00:42:47
eventually they let her go, but yeah,
00:42:49
they had abducted her. They abducted
00:42:51
her. She said she had just put her son
00:42:53
Johnny on the school bus that morning
00:42:55
and was walking to the grocery store
00:42:56
when she heard somebody call out her
00:42:58
name. She turned and she saw that it was
00:43:00
Richard. She said he was smiling as he
00:43:02
walked toward her and that just behind
00:43:04
him in a black Mercedes she could see
00:43:06
Dan. She said Richard was pleasant and
00:43:09
he asked if Linda would mind going for a
00:43:11
ride so that they could talk. She said
00:43:13
there was no way I was going to get in a
00:43:14
car with him. So, she declined and she
00:43:16
started to walk away. And she said she
00:43:18
barely stepped off the curb to cross the
00:43:20
street when she felt a strong hand grip
00:43:22
her arm and pull her in the direction of
00:43:24
the car. What the [ __ ] She said Richard
00:43:27
sort of twirled me around with my back
00:43:29
facing him and then marched toward the
00:43:31
car and pushed me into the open door of
00:43:33
the back seat.
00:43:35
I'm horrified.
00:43:36
>> Scary. It's like also
00:43:38
>> that's a crime, babe.
00:43:39
>> That is a crime sort of. And it's also
00:43:41
very like Men in Black.
00:43:43
>> Yeah. You can't just abduct people in
00:43:45
[ __ ] broad daylight.
00:43:46
>> You really can't. It's
00:43:47
>> or at night. You shouldn't do it at all
00:43:48
>> ever. Really?
00:43:50
>> Or even like midday sun,
00:43:52
>> dusk, don, anything in between. Don't do
00:43:55
it.
00:43:55
>> You just can't do that.
00:43:56
>> No.
00:43:56
>> So, in her call with Bud immediately
00:43:58
after the incident, she described very
00:44:00
bizarre behavior that Richard and Dan
00:44:02
exhibited. She said, "He told me to take
00:44:04
my shoes off. They wanted to see my
00:44:06
feet. I think they wanted to know how
00:44:08
many toes I had."
00:44:10
And then she said she got the impression
00:44:12
that they suspected she was some kind of
00:44:14
alien human hybrid and they were looking
00:44:17
for proof.
00:44:19
She said in that moment
00:44:21
>> I'm trying not to yuck anyone's yum cuz
00:44:22
I just told you all not to do it. So
00:44:24
>> don't yuck Linda's yum.
00:44:25
>> I'm just going to go with this.
00:44:26
>> I don't even know if this is her yum. I
00:44:27
I don't really know what this is. So in
00:44:29
that moment she said she had the sense
00:44:31
to start the recorder that Bud gave her.
00:44:33
And on the recording you can hear a
00:44:35
faint argument between Linda and an
00:44:37
unidentified man. What the [ __ ]
00:44:40
>> On the tape, the man is accusing Linda
00:44:42
of recording the conversation. And she's
00:44:44
like, "No, this it's not on. It's not
00:44:46
recording. Like, I just have this." But
00:44:48
what's not caught on the tape is the
00:44:49
moment where Linda pulled the gun from
00:44:51
her purse and pointed it at both of
00:44:53
them.
00:44:53
>> Shut up.
00:44:54
>> She said this caused Dan to pull the car
00:44:56
to the side of the road and they let
00:44:58
Linda out and she just ran home and
00:45:00
called Bud immediately.
00:45:02
>> What the [ __ ]
00:45:03
>> So, after hearing Linda's story, Bud was
00:45:05
like, "Oh my god, you need to come over
00:45:06
here. like, "Are you okay?" And he said,
00:45:09
"We should also do a hypnosis session to
00:45:11
see if we can document some details of
00:45:13
the event that might help us finally
00:45:15
identify these two fuckers."
00:45:17
>> As luck would have it, during the
00:45:19
hypnosis session, Linda did recall some
00:45:21
details about the car. During the
00:45:23
session, she realized it wasn't a
00:45:25
Mercedes, but it was a Rolls-Royce with
00:45:27
diplomatic plates.
00:45:29
What? She said she also remembered
00:45:31
seeing a decal in the window with the
00:45:33
United Nations logo on it. Shut the [ __ ]
00:45:36
up. By that time, uh, Bud and Linda had
00:45:39
deduced that Richard and Dan were not
00:45:41
police officers or detectives like they
00:45:43
previously thought. Bud now strongly
00:45:46
suspected that they held some kind of
00:45:48
position of authority, like even more.
00:45:51
>> So now he wondered if it was possible
00:45:52
that they were like private security for
00:45:55
a diplomat or or maybe a member of the
00:45:57
United Nations or they were, you know,
00:46:00
like part of that themselves.
00:46:02
>> Yeah. So, in the days that followed, Bud
00:46:04
and Linda reviewed video footage of
00:46:06
recent events held at the United Nations
00:46:08
building. And in one, Linda claimed to
00:46:11
recognize one of the men in the
00:46:13
background as Dan.
00:46:15
>> What the [ __ ]
00:46:15
>> The men in the man in question was in
00:46:17
the company of uh I'm so sorry if I
00:46:20
butcher this. I looked it up. He was in
00:46:22
the company of Javier Perez Duayar, who
00:46:25
was this uh Secretary General of the
00:46:27
United Nations.
00:46:28
>> Damn.
00:46:29
>> Like big [ __ ] deal. Like big deal.
00:46:31
But like big deal, big guy, huge, big.
00:46:34
So in the weeks that followed, Bud,
00:46:36
Linda, and now Bud's assistant, Peter,
00:46:38
set about trying to find the identif the
00:46:41
identities of the man in the video and
00:46:43
what his relationship was to the [ __ ]
00:46:46
secretary general of the United Nations.
00:46:48
>> Yeah, I'm curious.
00:46:49
>> But um crazy their inquiries at the UN
00:46:53
and the UN security buildings, which
00:46:55
included Bud and Linda posing as a
00:46:57
married couple, ultimately went nowhere.
00:47:00
>> Wow. The UN wasn't about to be like,
00:47:02
"Yeah, that's exactly who this is."
00:47:03
>> Shocked. Crazy.
00:47:05
>> Shocked.
00:47:06
>> But a short time later, Bud got a letter
00:47:09
from Dan that shed some light on the
00:47:12
situation.
00:47:13
>> Peter said they explained to Bud that
00:47:15
they were not police officers, but
00:47:16
federal agents acting as protection for
00:47:19
a very high ranking, well-known
00:47:21
diplomat. What the [ __ ] So now they
00:47:24
figured that the important man in
00:47:26
question definitely was Perez D. Quar
00:47:30
>> of course,
00:47:31
>> you know.
00:47:31
>> Yeah.
00:47:32
>> For Bud,
00:47:32
>> I know.
00:47:33
>> You know,
00:47:34
>> you better believe I know.
00:47:35
>> For Bud, he felt like all the pieces
00:47:37
were falling into place. He was finally
00:47:39
onto something big. And as a result, the
00:47:42
relevant government agencies had taken
00:47:44
notice and were now on their trail
00:47:46
making sure that Bud and his associates
00:47:48
didn't expose anything that would create
00:47:50
like mass hysteria or mass pandemonium,
00:47:53
you know,
00:47:53
>> which like at this point in time, do we
00:47:57
really could we is this so far-fetched
00:48:00
at especially now?
00:48:02
>> That's the thing I
00:48:03
>> in these tier streets in 2025.
00:48:06
>> I understand why Bud felt like this.
00:48:08
>> I understand it now. Like maybe back
00:48:10
then people were like, "Yeah, no, that
00:48:13
sounds crazy." Like the government
00:48:15
doesn't do that.
00:48:16
>> Yeah.
00:48:17
>> Like why would highranking officials
00:48:19
want to quiet things?
00:48:21
>> That's not what
00:48:23
>> But now Yeah. Yeah. You just never know.
00:48:29
[Music]
00:48:41
So the knowledge that they were being
00:48:42
followed and you know were probably
00:48:43
potentially in danger probably should
00:48:45
have put them off for a little bit.
00:48:46
>> Yeah.
00:48:47
>> But for Bud it was exciting and it
00:48:49
proved that he was on the cusp of making
00:48:51
the biggest discovery of
00:48:52
>> I mean his career and something that the
00:48:55
modern world had never seen.
00:48:57
>> So Linda hadn't just been abducted and
00:48:59
had a metallic device implanted in her
00:49:01
nose. Now she'd been experimented on,
00:49:03
possibly sexually assaulted by the
00:49:05
aliens. And now maybe they were trying
00:49:07
to create some kind of hybrid species,
00:49:09
>> which that's [ __ ] horrifying.
00:49:11
>> Yeah. And now there were like
00:49:12
terrestrial threats to worry about. They
00:49:14
were scared about Richard and Dan and
00:49:16
these high people in high positions
00:49:18
trying to silence them.
00:49:18
>> I would be.
00:49:20
>> So as the years went by, Linda's story
00:49:22
continued to expand and eventually she
00:49:25
even incorporated her son Johnny, who
00:49:27
she now believed was also abducted.
00:49:29
>> Ooh.
00:49:30
>> And over time, Bud got closer to Johnny
00:49:32
and wanted to help him understand his
00:49:34
experiences. Just as he had with Linda.
00:49:37
>> Yeah.
00:49:38
>> But Carol, remember our girl Carol?
00:49:40
>> Of course I remember Carol.
00:49:42
>> She remembered one night when it
00:49:43
occurred to Bud that the aliens weren't
00:49:45
only interested in individuals but
00:49:47
possibly bloodlines.
00:49:50
>> Oh, which
00:49:52
>> I'm into this.
00:49:53
>> I can kind of understand.
00:49:55
>> Yeah. you when you really think about
00:49:56
it, like I kind of if you're really
00:49:59
looking into like aliens and what they
00:50:02
want from us, it would make sense that
00:50:03
yeah, maybe they would want to study our
00:50:04
bloodlines to see what happens as we go
00:50:07
on. Hey, I get it.
00:50:08
>> But Carol said Bud was wiping his eyes
00:50:11
in full understanding of what Linda had
00:50:13
talked about, that the aliens were also
00:50:15
traumatizing her children. I became very
00:50:17
concerned that he was so emotionally
00:50:19
attached. My alarm bells went off. I
00:50:21
felt that Bud risked losing his
00:50:23
objectivity. M
00:50:25
>> which I get.
00:50:26
>> And remember,
00:50:28
>> Linda is like such a huge part of Bud's
00:50:31
life now. Then I can understand why
00:50:33
Carol was like, "Okay, like we're
00:50:35
falling a little too far into this."
00:50:36
>> Yeah, I can understand that.
00:50:37
>> And like now a child is involved and
00:50:39
like we got to really think about what
00:50:41
we're doing here.
00:50:42
>> Yeah. She's just trying to be pragmatic.
00:50:44
>> She is. I love that word.
00:50:45
>> I do too. So, Carol had never been a
00:50:48
believer in the same way that Bud was,
00:50:49
but she was always willing to give him
00:50:51
and the people who came to them the
00:50:53
benefit of the doubt,
00:50:54
>> which is a which is a good partner.
00:50:56
>> It is. And she especially gave people
00:50:58
the benefit of the doubt when there was
00:51:00
evidence that popped up that seemed to
00:51:02
support their claims.
00:51:04
>> Really smart lady.
00:51:05
>> Yeah, she I honestly think she really
00:51:06
was. But after years of working with
00:51:09
Linda, Carol saw a change in Bud that
00:51:11
was deeply concerning to her. She said
00:51:13
it seemed like he lost the ability to
00:51:15
think critically when it came to
00:51:17
>> interesting.
00:51:18
>> So she Carol herself, she had grown up
00:51:21
in a very heavily devout Christian sect
00:51:23
that kind of bordered on being a cult.
00:51:25
>> Whoa.
00:51:26
>> So she saw the harm that blind faith can
00:51:28
cause.
00:51:29
>> Yeah. I mean if anybody can
00:51:31
>> Yeah. She had serious experience when
00:51:33
she was a teenager. She actually got
00:51:35
thrown out of her parents' house and
00:51:36
excommunicated from her entire community
00:51:39
because they told her she was asking too
00:51:41
many questions about their religion.
00:51:43
>> Oh, there it is.
00:51:44
>> They were like, "Yeah, like you're
00:51:45
threatening the structure of our
00:51:46
>> Yeah, we don't want you asking questions
00:51:47
or critically thinking.
00:51:48
>> Yeah, don't do that.
00:51:49
>> That's dangerous."
00:51:50
>> She said, "After, you know, a year of my
00:51:52
asking increasingly unwelcome questions,
00:51:54
my father stood in the middle of the
00:51:56
living room and he said, "You're not my
00:51:58
daughter anymore."
00:51:59
>> You got to be a real piece of [ __ ] to do
00:52:01
that.
00:52:02
>> Real piece of [ __ ] You got to be a real
00:52:04
monstrous piece of [ __ ]
00:52:05
>> Yeah.
00:52:05
>> There's nothing my kids could do that
00:52:07
they wouldn't be my children anymore.
00:52:09
>> No, they're always your [ __ ] kids.
00:52:10
Like
00:52:10
>> they're always welcome back here.
00:52:12
>> Yeah. Like what the [ __ ]
00:52:14
>> Like I don't give a [ __ ] Like that's
00:52:16
[ __ ] up.
00:52:17
>> That's a story for another day.
00:52:18
>> So it's my opinion. It's my opinion.
00:52:21
>> So despite that experience or honestly
00:52:23
really probably because of it, Carol
00:52:25
devoted her adult life to science and to
00:52:27
reason and she prided herself on her own
00:52:29
skepticism.
00:52:30
>> Good for her. ask the [ __ ] questions.
00:52:33
>> And here's the thing,
00:52:34
>> nothing's wrong with that.
00:52:35
>> I honestly think she went about it in a
00:52:37
very respectful manner.
00:52:39
>> It sounds like she did.
00:52:40
>> She was willing to hear people out and
00:52:43
she wanted to hear their evidence and
00:52:44
when there was evidence, she got even
00:52:46
more interested and asked more
00:52:47
questions, but she also had a healthy
00:52:50
amount of skepticism.
00:52:51
>> Exactly. You know, which I think is the
00:52:53
smart way to go about everything.
00:52:55
>> I think so, too. So, at first, she was
00:52:57
obviously fascinated by Linda and
00:52:59
Linda's story. She found Linda to be,
00:53:01
she said, dynamic, engaging, personable,
00:53:04
exactly the kind of person a documentary
00:53:06
filmmaker would want on camera.
00:53:08
>> Yeah.
00:53:08
>> But she said at the same time, her story
00:53:10
did seem credible. In the beginning,
00:53:12
there were nearly two dozen witnesses
00:53:14
who corroborated the story. Carol
00:53:16
literally saw the letters herself from
00:53:18
Richard and Dan that seemed to support
00:53:20
the belief that Linda and Bud were being
00:53:23
monitored.
00:53:24
>> But she said after a few years, there
00:53:26
was something about the story that
00:53:28
started to nag at her. She said it felt
00:53:30
like every time, and she's talking about
00:53:32
Linda, she said it felt like every time
00:53:33
she went out to grocery shop, something
00:53:35
strange happened to her. The story just
00:53:36
kept on rolling.
00:53:38
>> Yeah. Which I get,
00:53:39
>> which I I would question that.
00:53:41
>> And you know, if Linda's story had been
00:53:43
contained and maybe only affected her,
00:53:45
it probably wouldn't have bothered Carol
00:53:47
so much. But Bud was now drawn so deeply
00:53:51
into like
00:53:52
>> at this point a very bizarre conspiracy
00:53:55
>> that it wasn't just threatening his
00:53:56
professional reputation but also his
00:53:58
physical health.
00:53:59
>> Yeah. And I get that.
00:54:00
>> And the thing that really pushed Carol
00:54:02
to the edge, she said, was when Linda
00:54:04
started incorporating Johnny Johnny, her
00:54:06
son, into the conspiracy.
00:54:07
>> Yeah. See, that's where I would take a
00:54:09
big step back.
00:54:10
>> Yeah. So, she didn't really have a clear
00:54:12
plan or a strategy at first, but she did
00:54:14
what felt most natural to her as a
00:54:16
documentarian. She went back to the very
00:54:18
beginning and she reviewed all the
00:54:20
evidence piece by piece.
00:54:21
>> Good for her, man.
00:54:23
>> From the moment Linda entered their
00:54:24
lives, remember, Carol had been filming
00:54:26
everything. And Bud and uh Bud had
00:54:29
actually been recording their calls like
00:54:30
with permission. Yeah. So, there was
00:54:32
countless hours of telephone
00:54:33
conversations, group sessions, hypnosis
00:54:36
sessions that documented almost every
00:54:39
moment of Linda and Bud's relationship,
00:54:42
which is kind of crazy.
00:54:43
>> Yeah. Now, the first thing that jumped
00:54:45
out at Carol was Linda's demeanor, she
00:54:47
said during the hypnosis sessions. After
00:54:50
years with Bud, Carol saw countless
00:54:52
people hypnotized, and she was familiar
00:54:54
with like the drowsy, incoherent state
00:54:57
that they usually got into during the
00:54:59
process. She said though that Linda's
00:55:02
hypnosis sessions were different. Carol
00:55:04
said, this is her words, "She didn't
00:55:06
sound the way others did when they were
00:55:08
deep down. She had a clear, coherent
00:55:10
narrative. I just didn't believe she was
00:55:12
under hypnosis.
00:55:14
>> Interesting.
00:55:16
>> The other thing that emerged during her
00:55:17
review of the years of the tapes was the
00:55:19
way that Linda's story took shape
00:55:22
throughout the years.
00:55:22
>> Yeah.
00:55:23
>> She said to me, it began to seem almost
00:55:25
too perfect. And it occurred to Carol
00:55:27
that whenever Bud started to direct his
00:55:30
attention somewhere else, Linda always
00:55:32
seemed to have a way of reeling him back
00:55:34
in with some outrageous detail or event
00:55:37
or, you know, going zones. She knew she
00:55:40
could get him. By the time that Bud's
00:55:42
book about the incident was published in
00:55:44
1996, the story had become so
00:55:47
outrageously unrealistic that it seemed
00:55:50
impossible that anybody would believe
00:55:51
it. Carol thought.
00:55:52
>> Damn. She said it was paced like a
00:55:54
thriller full of otherworldly treachery,
00:55:56
forbidden love, UFOs over Manhattan,
00:55:59
lusty and dangerous secret service
00:56:01
agents, a prince from afar, more
00:56:03
forbidden love, an X-ray alien implant,
00:56:06
and her abduction into a spacecraft
00:56:08
accompanied by a famous mafia dog. Like
00:56:11
she was Carol really got to Carol got to
00:56:13
a place of come on
00:56:15
>> of come on,
00:56:16
>> come on. And and this is her husband, so
00:56:19
I can see why she's a little bit like
00:56:21
>> miffed. Oh, I'd be pissed. I I'd be far
00:56:24
past miffed at this point.
00:56:26
>> Exly. Well, listen. During the early
00:56:27
phase of her investigation, while she's
00:56:29
gathering this all up and starting to be
00:56:30
like, "Yeah, right." She kept her
00:56:32
thoughts and her activities, of course,
00:56:34
to herself. She didn't want to upset her
00:56:36
husband. She didn't want to interfere
00:56:37
with his work. She had a respect for
00:56:39
him. But after going over the tapes and
00:56:42
kind of coming to some pretty convincing
00:56:44
conclusions, she finally decided that
00:56:46
she couldn't keep this quiet any longer.
00:56:49
Especially, remember, now that there was
00:56:50
a kid involved. Yeah,
00:56:52
>> but unfortunately if Carol was expecting
00:56:54
Bud to be receptive even a little bit to
00:56:56
her critique, she was about to be very
00:56:58
disappointed.
00:56:59
>> Oh no, Bud, I was rooting for you.
00:57:01
>> I know. She said, "At that point, I was
00:57:03
kind of seeing a lot of these stories as
00:57:05
being made up, invented. Bud didn't pick
00:57:07
up on it because she was delivering
00:57:08
material that he so badly wanted for his
00:57:11
new book."
00:57:12
>> Bud had invested years of time, money,
00:57:15
emotion into Linda's story. And as far
00:57:17
as Carol could tell, he needed the story
00:57:19
to be true at this point. Yeah,
00:57:21
>> not only for the book, but because he
00:57:23
had built so much of his theory about
00:57:25
everything else on things that happened
00:57:28
to Linda since
00:57:30
>> you never want to put all your eggs in
00:57:31
one basket.
00:57:32
>> And he very much was. And Carol was
00:57:34
honestly like I think Carol not only
00:57:37
like loved her husband and respected her
00:57:39
husband so much, but also respected the
00:57:42
way he went about his work. So when she
00:57:44
saw him kind of veering off his path of
00:57:47
like pure let's look at this
00:57:50
scientifically and let's do this the
00:57:51
right way and like you just said kind of
00:57:53
putting all his eggs in one basket. She
00:57:55
was like you're veering off course here.
00:57:57
>> Yeah. Like you're losing yourself.
00:57:59
You're losing who I know this like smart
00:58:02
guy who sto.
00:58:04
>> Yeah. So, she knew that if she wanted to
00:58:06
convince Bud to be more skeptical of
00:58:08
Linda's claim, she was going to have to
00:58:09
attack the evidence that corroborated
00:58:11
the story, especially those witness
00:58:13
statements and specifically the letters
00:58:16
from Richard and Dan because those were
00:58:18
the thing that really sent Bud like
00:58:21
>> Yeah.
00:58:21
>> into orbit, you know,
00:58:22
>> which like you get why he got so excited
00:58:24
and,
00:58:25
>> you know, encouraged by that.
00:58:27
>> Linda is saying and and here's the
00:58:29
thing. I don't know.
00:58:30
>> Yeah. I don't know her life. I'm just
00:58:31
telling you all sides of the story.
00:58:33
Yeah.
00:58:33
>> But like I get why Bud believed what
00:58:35
Linda was saying and she's got things to
00:58:37
back it up and letters are coming in and
00:58:39
this that and the other thing.
00:58:40
>> Exactly.
00:58:41
>> So, we're on Carol's side right now,
00:58:43
though. So, to Carol, it seemed unlikely
00:58:45
that all 22 witnesses were lying. But
00:58:48
when she went back and reviewed the
00:58:49
interview interviews that Bud had
00:58:51
conducted with them, it occurred to her
00:58:53
that maybe Bud had a larger influence on
00:58:55
their statements than he meant to. M
00:58:58
>> she said most of the witnesses admitted
00:59:00
that they hadn't got a direct look at
00:59:01
what they later claimed was a UFO and a
00:59:04
lot of them weren't really reliable to
00:59:06
begin with.
00:59:07
>> Uh for instance, there was an elderly
00:59:10
woman who said she saw the abduction
00:59:11
from her window, but she also said her
00:59:14
view would have been obscured by
00:59:15
multiple large objects. So like, so like
00:59:18
she really wasn't able to. So like what?
00:59:21
>> And all at the same time, Bud's
00:59:23
enthusiasm could have easily acted as
00:59:26
confirmation bias.
00:59:27
>> Oh, 100%.
00:59:29
>> Which would drive interviewees to
00:59:30
provide him with what they thought he
00:59:32
wanted to hear rather than
00:59:33
>> trying to make this guy happy.
00:59:34
>> Exactly. Rather than what they saw. And
00:59:36
finally, there was the source of the
00:59:38
witnesses themselves. All of the
00:59:40
witnesses had only reached out to Bud
00:59:43
after more like at least two years or
00:59:46
more after the supposed abduction took
00:59:48
place and only after the story had gone
00:59:51
public and they'd seen it on like Oprah
00:59:53
and Heraldo.
00:59:54
>> Yeah. And that's always
00:59:55
>> that's not great.
00:59:56
>> That that you have to take with a grain
00:59:57
a giant grain of salt.
00:59:59
>> And there was also the matter of the
01:00:01
letters from Richard and Dan. their
01:00:04
position in the story. Remember, it gave
01:00:06
credence to Bud's belief that these
01:00:08
large government agencies were working
01:00:10
to undermine his research and he thought
01:00:12
that the agents had been harassing him
01:00:14
and Linda for years.
01:00:15
>> Yeah.
01:00:16
>> The problem for Carol when she started
01:00:18
looking back into this though, all the
01:00:20
letters had been typed out on a
01:00:22
typewriter, so there was no way of
01:00:23
knowing where they came from or who'd
01:00:25
written them or anything like that. But
01:00:28
one day she was sorting through evidence
01:00:30
and she found that one letter claiming
01:00:32
to have been written by Javier Perez
01:00:34
Duayar, the Secretary General of the
01:00:37
United Nations,
01:00:38
>> of course,
01:00:39
>> included a handwritten signature that
01:00:41
she could use to compare to a sample of
01:00:45
Linda's handwriting, which they
01:00:46
obviously had.
01:00:47
>> Oh man.
01:00:48
>> And she brought it to a handwriting
01:00:50
specialist.
01:00:51
>> Oh man. Among other things, the
01:00:54
handwriting analyst concluded that the
01:00:57
sample from Linda and the supposed
01:00:59
signature of the Secretary General of
01:01:01
the United Nations were virtually
01:01:04
identical. Oh no, Linda.
01:01:08
>> Linda. Oh no, Linda.
01:01:11
>> But remember, just to to play devil's
01:01:14
advocate here, I don't know why I said
01:01:15
devils and not devils.
01:01:16
>> To play devil's advocate.
01:01:18
>> So just sit here and play devil's
01:01:20
advocate.
01:01:22
handwriting analysis is not it can be a
01:01:24
little bit of junky science.
01:01:26
>> That's the thing. Like I'm not saying
01:01:27
it's not real, but it's not always real.
01:01:30
>> But it's just like maybe
01:01:33
maybe
01:01:34
>> So in 2023, Carol told a documentary
01:01:37
crew, "The person who replicated Duo's
01:01:40
signature is the same person who's
01:01:42
written the letters from Richard and the
01:01:43
letter and the letters from Dan, and
01:01:45
that is Linda. Richard is an invention
01:01:48
of Linda's, and so is Dan.
01:01:49
>> Oh no. You know, in my heart of hearts,
01:01:53
I wondered.
01:01:54
>> You wondered?
01:01:55
>> I didn't want it to be true. I wanted it
01:01:58
to be that they were real and they saw
01:02:01
her flying up into a UFO.
01:02:03
>> I wanted that so bad. I wanted it really
01:02:05
excite every part of
01:02:07
>> You can see why a lot of people would
01:02:08
want it so bad.
01:02:09
>> It's [ __ ] exciting.
01:02:11
>> Yeah.
01:02:12
>> After all, she learned though, Carol
01:02:14
came to the conclusion that Linda had
01:02:15
read Bud's books and knew exactly what
01:02:17
he was looking for. that made her easy
01:02:20
to manipulate him, especially after he
01:02:22
became very emotionally and also
01:02:24
financially invested in the case. So,
01:02:27
Carol Bud with everything, including the
01:02:29
handwriting analysis,
01:02:32
>> but she said he refused to believe
01:02:34
anything she brought to him. And years
01:02:36
later, after the book was published, he
01:02:38
continued to support Linda and defended
01:02:40
her story.
01:02:41
>> Here's my question.
01:02:44
So,
01:02:44
>> we're about to I think we're about to
01:02:46
answer it. Okay, I think we're about to
01:02:47
answer it.
01:02:48
>> Okay, cuz I'm I'm sitting here and
01:02:50
going, "No way. No way."
01:02:54
>> That's Carol got there, too.
01:02:56
>> Okay, so after the publication of
01:02:58
Witnessed in 1996,
01:03:01
uh, which obviously was the whole like
01:03:04
>> Linda abduction story and everything,
01:03:07
>> Bud and Linda continued working together
01:03:09
to promote the book. They appeared on
01:03:10
talk shows, conventions all around the
01:03:13
country. And during that period, Bud and
01:03:16
Carol's relationship continued to to
01:03:18
decline until they finally got divorced
01:03:19
in 2006.
01:03:21
>> But they held on for like 10 more years.
01:03:23
>> Damn.
01:03:24
>> I mean, who who knows how long like the
01:03:26
divorce took to become final, but
01:03:28
>> damn.
01:03:29
>> Yeah. Carol said, "I felt that Bud had
01:03:31
lost his objectivity. I don't know if it
01:03:33
was through the Linda case or earlier
01:03:35
than that. I couldn't respect what I
01:03:36
heard him do to people who were
01:03:37
vulnerable. I was literally sick of the
01:03:39
whole business and the only thing I
01:03:41
could do was to speak out about it.
01:03:44
Carol.
01:03:44
>> Carol.
01:03:45
>> [ __ ] Carol.
01:03:46
>> Carol.
01:03:47
>> Honestly, Carol's a bad [ __ ]
01:03:49
>> She really is. She's for science.
01:03:51
>> I love Carol.
01:03:52
>> I love Carol, too.
01:03:54
>> I really love Carol.
01:03:55
>> She's a writer. Um, we should look more
01:03:56
into her. Carol writing.
01:03:58
>> Carol. Carol
01:03:59
>> and a documentarian.
01:04:00
>> Carol. Yeah.
01:04:01
>> And a scientist
01:04:02
>> forever.
01:04:03
>> She rocks.
01:04:03
>> Queen Bee.
01:04:04
>> So, after his divorce from Carol, Bud
01:04:06
started a relationship with UFO
01:04:08
ufologist. UFOologist.
01:04:11
>> That's what that's what last podcast on
01:04:12
the left callologist.
01:04:14
>> I don't know if that's right or not.
01:04:15
>> Shout out to the boys,
01:04:16
>> but that's what they say. And it's it
01:04:18
makes me laugh every time.
01:04:19
>> Andor abducttologist. Uh he started a
01:04:21
relationship with a woman named Leslie
01:04:23
Keane who shared his interests.
01:04:24
>> Okay.
01:04:25
>> And they remained together until Bud
01:04:26
passed away in 2011 from cancer. Aw. So,
01:04:30
for more than a decade, Bud touted the
01:04:32
major significance of Linda's case, but
01:04:34
he did eventually move on to other
01:04:36
subjects, and Linda just kind of faded
01:04:38
back into regular life.
01:04:39
>> Wow.
01:04:40
>> Yeah. In the years since, she's been on
01:04:42
a handful of TV shows about, you know,
01:04:45
alien objections, and she gives
01:04:47
interviews every now and again. And to
01:04:49
this day, she stands by her story, and
01:04:51
she maintains that every aspect of it is
01:04:53
true to the best of her memory.
01:04:55
>> Okay. Hey, I'm not here. I wasn't there,
01:04:57
so I'm not going to sit here and tell
01:04:58
her that she's wrong. I am going to in
01:05:01
inquire
01:05:03
um about what was going on with Bud.
01:05:05
>> I don't know.
01:05:06
>> I I I'm a little I'm like, what was
01:05:09
going on there?
01:05:10
>> I don't know
01:05:11
>> what was I don't know cuz I wasn't
01:05:12
there.
01:05:13
>> Maybe they were just good besties.
01:05:15
>> Yeah, it's just my question of like what
01:05:17
was what was going on there.
01:05:18
>> I don't know.
01:05:19
>> But again, I know nothing.
01:05:21
>> Me either. So,
01:05:22
>> well, after her divorce from Bud in
01:05:24
2006, our girl Carol continued working
01:05:27
to debunk Linda's story and she really
01:05:29
wanted to expose Linda as a fraud,
01:05:31
>> which like you couldn't imagine. She
01:05:32
harbored some [ __ ] resentment.
01:05:34
>> I kind of get it.
01:05:35
>> She published her investigation of the
01:05:37
story on her own website and since it's
01:05:40
been republished on many, many internet
01:05:42
platforms. And in the years after, she
01:05:44
became a regular speaker at skeptic
01:05:46
events and she frequently gave
01:05:48
interviews on the subject of alien
01:05:50
abduction hoaxes. Wow.
01:05:51
>> Including those where her husband was
01:05:53
involved or her former husband. On
01:05:55
September 17th, 2023, though, after a
01:05:58
period of illness, Carol passed away
01:06:00
from natural causes at St. An's Hospital
01:06:03
in Fall River, Massachusetts.
01:06:04
>> Oh no.
01:06:06
>> Recently, when asked why Carol worked so
01:06:09
hard to undermine her claims, Linda told
01:06:11
a reporter, "She's a [ __ ] She used my
01:06:13
case and me and my family as a tool to
01:06:15
get even with Bud."
01:06:18
And that is the story of the Manhattan
01:06:21
alien abduction.
01:06:24
Firmly team Carol over here. I
01:06:27
>> uh just going to say I'm not saying
01:06:29
anything wasn't true.
01:06:31
>> I'm not saying that you guys were doing
01:06:33
anything illicit together and bud,
01:06:37
>> but I just find myself firmly on team
01:06:41
Carol.
01:06:42
>> Same.
01:06:42
>> Because that was mean to say.
01:06:44
>> It was mean to say, especially after she
01:06:46
died. she died and she couldn't respond
01:06:48
to it. That's not cool.
01:06:49
>> Yeah. You just say no comment.
01:06:50
>> You just say, "You know what? I don't
01:06:51
have anything to say."
01:06:52
>> But also at the same time, if I was
01:06:53
Linda and that had happened to me and I
01:06:55
did get abducted by aliens, I probably
01:06:56
wouldn't like Carol either.
01:06:58
>> That's very true. And again, we don't
01:07:00
know.
01:07:00
>> And we don't know.
01:07:01
>> So, I'm We can't come from either side,
01:07:03
you know.
01:07:04
>> We just can't.
01:07:05
>> I just really like Carol. That's all.
01:07:06
>> I felt drawn to her.
01:07:07
>> I felt drawn to Carol.
01:07:08
>> Yeah. It's the same thing on Carol from
01:07:11
Housewives of New York. I think I just
01:07:12
love a Carol.
01:07:13
>> Yeah. And you know what, Linda? I you
01:07:15
know if it really happened to you I hope
01:07:17
you can prove it
01:07:18
>> and I hope you're okay cuz that's a lot
01:07:20
of trauma.
01:07:20
>> That's a lot of trauma if that really
01:07:22
happened to you.
01:07:22
>> It's like the the fourth kind.
01:07:24
>> Exactly.
01:07:25
>> The third kind.
01:07:26
>> So many kinds. All
01:07:28
>> I've never seen that movie. It's really
01:07:29
bad. Uh so yeah
01:07:31
>> I'm on cold medicine so I'm out and I'm
01:07:34
in outer space right now. I am one of
01:07:36
the fourth kinds.
01:07:37
>> And you're wearing green.
01:07:38
>> And I'm wearing green. I'm an I'm an
01:07:40
actual extraterrestrial.
01:07:42
>> I actually think I am.
01:07:43
>> Yeah. I don't think I'm from this
01:07:45
planet.
01:07:46
>> Every day I feel more and more like I'm
01:07:48
not either.
01:07:49
>> Okay, cool.
01:07:50
>> Felt that since I was little.
01:07:51
>> Yeah. I don't think I don't think we're
01:07:53
of this earth.
01:07:54
>> Always felt that. Feel it more every
01:07:55
day.
01:07:56
>> No.
01:07:56
>> Yeah.
01:07:56
>> I like this universe.
01:07:58
>> I think we just need to um I don't know
01:08:01
what we need to do. Everybody just
01:08:03
>> You said that so I I was sad.
01:08:05
>> I had what do we need to do? And then I
01:08:08
was like, "No." Cuz at first I was like,
01:08:10
"I think we need to just like let people
01:08:12
if they believe in aliens, like which I
01:08:14
believe. If you believe in aliens, cuz I
01:08:16
think there's something out there. I
01:08:17
don't know what it is, but I'm
01:08:19
>> I think we should let people believe
01:08:20
what they want to believe with that."
01:08:22
>> But it's I understand that like it can
01:08:24
become messy when other people get
01:08:26
involved and it becomes bigger than just
01:08:29
Yeah.
01:08:29
>> a personal belief of this is what's
01:08:32
happening.
01:08:32
>> Yeah. It's sad that like it is really
01:08:34
sad that
01:08:36
>> Bud's marriage kind of like got [ __ ]
01:08:38
up because of a project he was working
01:08:40
on.
01:08:41
>> And then like the me mention of like
01:08:43
kids being involved. I think it just
01:08:45
like it can get messy very quickly.
01:08:47
>> I hate that too women were fighting like
01:08:49
I always hate that.
01:08:50
>> Yeah. I hate seeing that because like
01:08:52
let's ladies support ladies.
01:08:53
>> That's the thing. Women supporting
01:08:54
women.
01:08:55
>> Humans support humans.
01:08:56
>> That's the thing.
01:08:57
>> We're not good at that right now. So
01:08:59
that's something we do need to get
01:09:00
better at everybody. I know
01:09:02
>> women start supporting women
01:09:04
>> and people support people.
01:09:05
>> Yeah. I just think this is a wild story.
01:09:07
>> It is a wild story. It's fascinating.
01:09:09
>> It's one we'll never really have full
01:09:11
>> And you know what though? Here I was
01:09:12
just thinking Sorry I completely
01:09:14
interrupted you. Going to get this out.
01:09:16
>> I'm literally in outer space.
01:09:18
>> You said I'm just rolling.
01:09:19
>> Yeah, I'm just going I'm rolling with
01:09:20
the homies.
01:09:20
>> Seeing what comes out.
01:09:21
>> Here's the thing. People abduct people.
01:09:24
>> Yeah.
01:09:24
>> Why wouldn't aliens abduct people?
01:09:27
>> Yeah.
01:09:27
>> You know, like maybe they do. They
01:09:29
probably just want to know what the
01:09:30
[ __ ] going on down there.
01:09:31
>> We abducted each other. They're probably
01:09:32
wondering why we have such a sick ass
01:09:34
planet and why we're completely [ __ ]
01:09:36
all over it. So, they're like, "What's
01:09:37
going on down there?"
01:09:38
>> Oh. Um, uh, you guys, it's like
01:09:40
political, so if you don't want to, you
01:09:42
don't have to. But I sub I subscribe to
01:09:44
Aaron Parnes's Substack, and he does
01:09:46
this thing where once a week he only
01:09:48
gives you good news.
01:09:50
>> Oh, that's nice.
01:09:50
>> So, I love that part of it. And, um, I
01:09:53
found out that a part of the Earth's
01:09:55
atmosphere healed itself.
01:09:56
>> Oh, I found that out, too. Yeah,
01:09:58
>> that is great.
01:09:59
>> I was so happy.
01:10:00
>> I That's really nice to see.
01:10:02
>> Yeah, I just thought of that because
01:10:04
>> I mean we can keep [ __ ] it up though
01:10:05
and that it's going to keep healing
01:10:06
itself. So, let's take this one as a W
01:10:09
and let's keep keep moving in the
01:10:11
direction.
01:10:11
>> It healed itself because of like
01:10:13
practices that we took like I it's like
01:10:16
>> so good job everybody.
01:10:17
>> We stopped doing yucky things.
01:10:18
>> Yeah. Stop doing but let's continue to
01:10:21
>> let's continue to not do yucky things.
01:10:23
>> Yeah. Don't litter all that [ __ ]
01:10:24
>> And that's our message to you. That is
01:10:26
very eloquently said message.
01:10:28
>> So, we hope you keep listening
01:10:29
>> and we hope you keep it.
01:10:32
But that's so weird that you get
01:10:33
abducted by aliens because I don't want
01:10:35
any of you to float up into the sky in
01:10:36
your night gown and be all upset and
01:10:37
have to get in a fight with everybody
01:10:38
about whether it happened or not. And if
01:10:40
the government gets involved, I don't
01:10:41
really know what I can do to help you.
01:10:42
So, you know what? Don't get probed. I
01:10:44
don't want you to get probed.
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