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hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid it's morbid this is morbid at
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night yeah it is morbid in the evening my God it's so funny cuz I went to I was going to start singing with you and then
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I was like will she say at night or evening and then as you were about to say it I was like she's going to say
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evening but see you knew I didn't join in you knew and trust myot you just knew knew that's because we're intuitive
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witches we are obviously we had a crazy tarot card reading yeah we did it was insane it solidified every single thing
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that I have been feeling and that I know you've been and I cried at the end Clarity I cried because I was so happy
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and I want to just like just wanted to cry you did you cried I was she burst right into tears and she had good reason
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cuz that reading was wild it was crazy and the fact that it ended with like a tarot card that's like really super
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special to me is crazier it was a really cool one I've never really had a tarot card reading resonate as much as I've
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had them resonate yeah yeah but like never to the degree that this one did this one was knocking my socks off
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because we went in there saying I'm not going to ask a specific question out loud I know what question I had in my
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head like I'm going to think it in my head time I was thinking it in my head but I just said you know what just give
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me a general one and I feel like she was at first she was like I'm just going to
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fly off the seat of my pants here you're giving me literally nothing she was like
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[ __ ] you guys and then she started and she was like just hit right on it nail on the head and Mikey came with us and
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his reading was perfect and like all of ours intertwined in a weird way Dave me and Drew ours intertwined it was really
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well but so that was happy so that's a thing yeah it was that was a happy thing um this is a sad thing I it's so tough
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to like transition I know whenever like we're like hey let me tell you about my day and then it's like let me get into
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this really sad thing yeah but you know what you just got to make it make the transition happen I suppose yeah a seu
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if you will isn't that an M that's why we drink ISM oh is it yeah I think that's a em and Christine ISM oh I mean
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Chris SEO I love you guys I love that I love it I love that and I love them I love that and I love all of them and
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it's Gemini season so like shout out to and that's why we drink if you don't listen to them you must live under a
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rock and you should move that rock and go listen to them yeah go listen to them they're great honestly but um yeah I do
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have a really sad case for us today um but at the same time it the way that this case turns around is crazy and it
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like feels very fateful okay in my opinion all right so we're going to start off in late November of
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1989 okay when College freshman Mandy stavic was returning to her hometown of Acme Washington she was going to
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celebrate the holidays with her family and on the afternoon of the 24th obviously which was back then the or
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back then back then in that year it was the day after Thanksgiving Mandy told her family that she was going for a run
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but she never returned that evening her mom became very very concerned and called around to her friends but
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literally none of those friends had heard from her and when she still hadn't returned the next morning Panic set in
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entirely and the search began so who is Mandy stavic Amanda Mandy Teresa stavic was born on April ail 16th 1971 in
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Anchorage Alaska oo which is that's just like the most fun fact ever also if you
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look her up gorgeous that she has a smile yes like I immediately just went cuz it just likeo
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mhm it's like one of those Smiles that like just hit you and she just seems and like I'm obviously going to get into it
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she just seems like a cool chick and somebody who Not only would have but desperately wanted to leave her mark on
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this world and she did yeah but I wish she had more of an opportunity to be in this world longer because she would have
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done absolutely incredible things like truly but yeah she was born in Anchorage Alaska one of four children born two
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parents Glenn and Mary stavic um the stavic family wasn't a dysfunctional family at all but by the time Mandy was
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born Glenn and Mary's marriage was kind of showing signs of strain and they decided to divorce 3 years later in
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1974 it really sadly seemed to be one unfortunate event in their family that kind of set off A Series of Unfortunate
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Events okay I feel like everybody kind of knows that family that has gone through so much more Yep than their fair
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share of like what they should have to there's always that one family that you're like why and it's always the best
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people I was just going to say and it's always the people that you're like come on like no like this family's great why
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are they like shouldering all this [ __ ] and every time they go through something
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you're like have they not gone through enough when does it end oh my God and that's the thing the stavic seemed to be
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one of those families because just one year after Glenn and Mary divorced Mandy's 16-year-old brother Brent he was
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shot multiple times in the head and the chest in Anchorage by an unknown killer while he was out bow
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hunting um Glenn the father told reporters in 1989 as far as the circumstances they've never found any
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clues or any reason for the murder wow never never found out what had happened did this family go through
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all of this I have no idea because a few years later like a number of years later
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in uh 1988 Mandy's stepbrother Spencer also died in an accidental drowning case what yep
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oh this family it's it's a lot so I think I don't know I don't know really like what sparked the decision but part
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of me wonders if Mandy's mom was like you know what I think we need a new area a fresh start and that's when they
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decided in 1983 to move the family from Alaska to Acme Washington and that's how
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they ended up there now other than the tragedy and some of the disruptions like the move and the divorce Mandy's
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childhood was pretty tick typical like aside from all the [ __ ] craziness like the tragedy she was described as
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being smart confident and driven in ways that were just like not common among children her mom said of her Mandy has
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always liked to be involved in people's lives even as a tiny baby whatever was going on there she
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was which I was like oh and she also said that Mandy was not ever shy about one knowing what she wanted and two
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setting out to get it she told reporters Mandy would NE uh Mandy would never need
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to take an assertiveness CL training class and she said that level of self-confidence sometimes rubbed people
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the wrong way but more often than not it got Mandy the respect and affection of those around her not only in school but
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in her community It's upsetting that it even rubbed some people the wrong way a Confident Woman always rub some people
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the wrong way and it bums me out because it's like that's why people dull their [ __ ] and it's usually for other people
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yep don't D your [ __ ] for other people if people don't like it that's honestly
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their own [ __ ] that they're going to have to deal with don't don't dim your [ __ ] your don't dim your [ __ ] because if
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honestly like if you're a confident person and it pisses people around you off or people who like says way know you
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off that's fine that's their problem that's fine keep on keeping on what other people think of me is none of my
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[ __ ] business exactly so never let it dull you I've seen that happen to people
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and it bums me out 100% And you know what I don't think Mandy was one of those people I think she was like I am
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who I am it sounds like she was that yeah it sounds like she was like that that's just like yeah this is who I am
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and I'm confident how who I am and deal with it I don't think she had time for people that didn't like her I think she
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was just like okay they don't like and neither do you and I don't think there was a lot of people that didn't like her
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you know yeah neither do you friends you don't have time for that you don't have
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time for that don't let it happen what are you what's your tattoo what's my it's only forever not long at all so we
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only got so much time here it's so funny because I remember when you got that I was like I don't know if I get it the
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older I get the more it resonates yeah it really is cuz I I got it for that reason that it's like yeah it feels like
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you have forever but that's not long at all no matter what we don't know how long forever is for any of us
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immeasurable so make sure you're doing it your way exactly don't hurt anyone else but like do it your way yeah be
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confident be happy take a take a page out of Mandy's book that's right because Listen by the time she reached High
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School her tenacity and her determination and her just like sense of self was paying off she became a star on
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not one sport team multiple sports teams hell yeah she played varsity basketball
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softball she did track she did cross country I checked those are different different seasons and she did
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cheerleading because at first I was like she did track and cross country cross country those the same and then I was
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like yeah those are those are different different but honestly I didn't know that until very recently fun fact and so
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so she played all of those sports but she actually had trouble with basketball when she first started and the first
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time she tried out for the high school team she actually didn't make it oh wow and her mother said that she was
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absolutely devastated by that but she spent a ton of time working on it she went to a basketball camp that summer to
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to hone in on her skills you know and sure enough made the [ __ ] team the next year that's my girl Mandy that is
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my girl outside of school too she was an avid swimmer and she eventually trained
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as a lifeguard at the W uh watom Family YMCA and also worked there part-time as a daycare instructor damn she was doing
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it she was really doing it this is what I mean when I say like I can't imagine what she would have offered the world
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that's the thing I'm like she was taking even as much time as she was here she was already taking full advantage of
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this world like she was already being like I'm gonna do all the things hell yeah this I have to say like getting to
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know her in finding this story I really it was inspiring like I was like I need to do [ __ ] like I need to try [ __ ] I
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don't know how long we're all here for like it really only forever not long at all it's such a it's such a good quote
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Yeah now the thing is she also wasn't just good when it came to sports she also worked really hard in school and
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she made honor role almost every single semester by the time she had made it to her senior year she had decided actually
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that she really wanted to become a commercial pilot oh okay she was like yeah I just want to fly planes I just
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want to fly through the sky that's just what I want to do I've said it before I'll say it again Pilots [ __ ] amaze
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me truly you're flying you're flying a giant thing through the sky I'm going on a flight tomorrow so I don't like I
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don't want to like think about it too much no it's amazing it's incredible it's a it's awesome I love Pilots yeah I
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love Pilots planes are amazing it's an amazing thing planes Pilots all of that Aviation Aviation as
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a whole is a really wild miraculous thing trying to find another ke I was like planes Pilots Pizzazz Pizzaz
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precipitation even yeah there's pretty amazing a chance of that a chance of of precipitation but so yeah she wanted to
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be a pilot and that was her full intention when she enrolled at Central Washington University in the fall of '89
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however she changed her mind after doing a couple of flights when she was like you know what I actually don't think
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flying is my favorite thing in the world okay she tried it exactly and she did a
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hard switch and uh changed her major to nutrition damn that is a hard switch just a hard switch but I feel like it's
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she's so multi I was going to say she seems very like just she likes a lot of things and she's good at a lot of things
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any sport she can do grade in school every semester she can volunteer at the YMCA she can also be a daycare worker
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try her hand up flying a plane eh I don't know about that how about nutrition sure I'll do that too I mean
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how many Among Us will try it you know like that honestly not a lot of people a lot of people don't it takes me it's
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hard for me to try [ __ ] so that's like really impressive exactly and her mom said it wasn't really the field of study
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that like mattered the most but that quote what Mandy wanted wanted more than anything else was to leave the world a
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little bit better of a place that hurts my heart so on November 22nd 1989 Mandy and her roommate from school Yoko they
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caught a ride with Mandy's ex-boyfriend Rick sender I think it sounded like they
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were still on pretty good terms okay um so they he was driving them home basically back to Mandy's mom's house in
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Acme Washington for Thanksgiving break or I don't know winter break I didn't I dropped out of college
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exactly but once Mandy and Yoko had settled in at at Mandy's house they headed to the gym at Mount Mount Baker
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High School so that Mandy could meet up with some of her friends some of her old
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teammates and just kind of like you know you're home for Thanksgiving that's the
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first thing you do is you want to see your old friends of course so like I said next day was Thanksgiving and Mandy
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Yoko excuse me Mandy and Yoko spent the whole day with Mandy's family never left
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the house just had a nice Thanksgiving now the next day Friday November 24th Mandy and Yoko had a lazy
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morning hung around the house of course they ate some leftovers we love Thanksgiving leftovers they went for a
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short walk and later that night they had plans to go to a movie with a couple of
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Mandy's friends from high school uh Brad Goram and his friend Tom Bass now Mandy
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knew that she wasn't going to have a lot of time later in the day since she had those plans so she decided to go for a
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run a little earlier than she usually would have like she was a run she loved to run now so she headed out a little
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after 2 p.m. that afternoon from what I saw the most it was anywhere between 2:00 and 3: that afternoon okay and she
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took the family dog with her now and uh the family dog was Kira which is a great
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safety precaution totally 100% so Mandy and Kira headed west on Strand Road which was the same way that Mandy always
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started her run she had literally been doing this exact route since high school now about an hour later Mandy's brother
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Lee and his friends saw her running back up Strand Road just about 5 or 10 minutes away from their house so it kind
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of seemed like she was finishing up the run but when Lee got home just a little bit after that there was no sign of
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Mandy and no sign of Kira okay and he was like that was weird I just saw her like kind of thought she'd be home by
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now but a few hours passed and at that point Mary Mandy's mom started to panic she was like something's not right here
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like she would should would not do this and Lee had seen his sister like I said pretty much approaching the house at the
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end of her run so it was weird that had it had now been hours and this was not something she did like I was just saying
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like she would not just disappear for a long period of time and not check in with anybody yeah and even weirder
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because like I said she'd specifically gone out on this run early so that she had time for her movie plans that night
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yeah so this doesn't make sense nothing is adding up here so Mary she doesn't want to jump to conclusion she's not
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going to like go straight to the police and be like she's missing yeah so she starts to call around to Mandy's friends
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but none of them had seen her or even heard from her that day so since she wasn't having any luck with that she and
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Lee went out in her car to retrace Mandy's usual route but they came back a short time later because they still
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there was no sign of Mandy and then something I can't even imagine like being in this situation and then this
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happens haunting absolutely haunting oh God Kira returned oh no back to the house oh I hate that but she was not
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with Mandy obviously and she was looking she didn't look herself like she looked afraid of
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something something had affected her oh no she was described as cowering and she
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had her this is a quote tail tucked and with River silk covering part of her hind quarters oh which they were like
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what like why is she dirty and what is she like something bad happened she's scared no this is horrifying it's
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terrifying so at this point now Mary is freaking out and at that point Brad Goram Tom Bass and Rick Zender had all
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shown up at the house to pick up Mandy and Yoko for their movie night yeah they had no idea yeah so they all headed out
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one more time to retrace her route check a couple other places still no sign of her so Mary did end up calling the
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police a little after 5:30 p.m. that night to report her daughter missing oh I just like I can't imagine being in
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those shoes and I hope I never ever ever have to be I can't even fathom but like
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to report your kid missing like no I can't no I can't even put myself there it's horrible you just want to hug these
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parents so much and it's just like it's I feel like this this story in particular is such a good example of how
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fast things can change she had plans that night she was supposed to go back to school she was just home for a little
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bit y she went out for a run that she had always gone on yep and then never came back it's like a blink and
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everything is different it's so scary yeah it's horrifying but the thing is luckily especially for it being the time
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that it was luckily the sheriff's department actually took Mary's concern seriously and they were like oh she's
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just a runaway yeah cuz that's infuriating and the immediately engaged watcom County search and rescue and Alan
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Pratt who worked with them and Alan Pratt was actually KN known as a human tracker he had like a rep for finding
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people wow imagine being known for that that would be an honor yeah so he got information from the family about the
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usual running route and he went out to track Mandy's movements and he did this until he came up to a spot about A4 mile
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away from the stavic house and he noticed quote a disturbed spot on the shoulder of the road and as far as he
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could tell quote there were several footfalls which looked like somebody had been walking or wrestling around or
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something I hate this this was unsettling yeah I was just going to say I feel very unsettled by this yeah and
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he also noticed in this area the grass along the side of the road seemed to have also been Disturbed and there was a
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good amount of river silt discovered in the ditch by the grass just like the kind that was on Kira's buom oh no So
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based on the scene and the fact that obviously there's still no word for Mandy by the next day the police changed
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the status of the case from missing person to presumed abducted which that must have been like a devastating blow
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to her family so by Saturday afternoon there was a massive search for Mandy it seemed like the entire town of Acme had
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joined the search there were people on foot people looking out on Horseback there were search and rescue teams
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flying L above the area people were in Planes helicopters like you name the mode of transportation or anything
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people were there looking she was very well known in this community she was very liked and she had only graduated
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from high school 6 months earlier so people were very concerned for her safety she's a child she's yeah her high
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school principal Robert Moore told reporters this is not the type of gal who just takes off on her own no and I
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don't mean she's a child like she's a young woman but it's like she's so young course but she is so young you know now
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and then also uh district superintendent William Bolton added this is a very level-headed kid something here is not
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right oh and that's the thing like she was involved in her community everybody knew her like this wasn't one of those
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that you can even think like maybe maybe she did like R away absolutely not there's there was no doubt in anybody's
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mind something horrible Happ it's the fact that she went earlier too to to make her plans that evening it's like
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that's come on and like her roommate from school is at the house with her like if she wasn't you know what I mean
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she wasn't taken off yeah so her disappearance it was extra disheartening for the small community of wcom County
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because just 4 months earlier 23-year-old Diane Reeves had also disappeared Without a Trace police found
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her car on a forest service road about 14 miles away but no sign of Diane oh jeez and before Mandy went missing Diane
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was the latest woman in a string of four or five disappearances or murders that occurred in the area oh so now residents
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were seriously conf concerned for their safety and their children's safety one resident named Donna Bolton she
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commented you just don't think of something happening like that around here and Mary stavic agreed saying this
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is just the kind of quiet rural neighborhood where any of us would never think that our children wouldn't be safe
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that's always always the worst like it's a quiet Town nothing that way it's like
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you you just can't predict it no and I feel like these Predators know that it's a quiet town where nothing ever happens
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yeah so they're not going to be suspected and people aren't aren't being extra vigilant because they don't have
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to be exactly so as we know Mandy had gone missing Friday afternoon full-blown search by Saturday like all day Saturday
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and by Saturday night the search upgraded to what watom county sheriff Larry mount described as an allout
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criminal investigation of a presumed abduction oh jeez now in addition to the local police the friends and the family
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that were searching and search and rescue teams the search efforts would eventually include a mounted watom
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County Sheriff's posi a US Customs airplane a US border patrol agent and several scent dogs wow like they were
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looking for her but by Sunday they still had not found Mandy still had not found
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even a clue as to where she could be my God that's awful and the thing was poor parents oh my God I can't imagine and
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Searchers had combed through like the heavily wooded area near her running route but by Sunday the sheriff's
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department announced unless new developments occur no further ground search is planned because they had
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basically searched all the areas nearby and instead investing tigators at that point wanted to turn their
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attention to the uh noac River one team would be dragging the river and the other would search around the perimeter
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okay so while search teams worked the river the stavic family turned to the media to plea to make a plea to Mandy's
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kidnappers Mary told everyone tuning in Mandy is a real special person she's one
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of these people who wants to leave the world a better place the world needs her whoever's got her don't hurt her we need
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her back she's got things to do oh like I've read that a million times and I have chills still I was just gonna say
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Goosebumps just like please don't hurt her we need her she's got things to do oh oh that just keeps that gives me full
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chills I it's just it's gut-wrenching so with the days passing and literally not a single update in the
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case the community was feeling not only fear but helpless like they want to help
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this family and they they can't they're unable to yeah so they decided to direct
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their energy because they they could help you know toward collecting donations for a reward fund and in less
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than 24 hours less than a full day they had raised over $8,000 oh my God and it was comprised
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mostly of donations ranging from $10 to $50 wow so that's how many people were willing to put in some cash that tells
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you something and the funds organizer Jim Kyle wanted Mandy's family to know that they were supported and wanted the
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world to know that this community was not not going to let something like this happen without putting up a big fight
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damn so even with the community backing her though Mary was starting to lose hope at this point as the
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investigation's going on and on the second full of day of searching she told reporters earlier today I felt really
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strongly that she was okay now I don't know oh ruins you ruins you yeah that just
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ruined me now any kind of hope that anybody had was unfortunately shattered on the morning of November
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27th Mandy's body was discovered on a sand bar in the Nooksack River uh it was about 3 and a half miles from where she
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was last seen jogging wow which was very very close to her home um she was found completely nude
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which is awful and Sheriff Mount told reporters that the cause of death was not immediately apparent and added that
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quote there were few marks on her body so the case immediately was labeled a homicide side obviously because of the
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circumstances leading up to this discovery and now because of the state that she's been found in yeah so the
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sheriff let the press and the community know as much and said we know the beginning and we know the end we do not
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know the middle at all so from the chilling it really is this whole case is just so chilling so
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from the moment her body was found the investigators were at a pretty big disadvantage it was very clear that
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Mandy hadn't been killed where she was found so they still had no no crime scene and worse there had been a lot of
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heavy rainfall in the days since she'd gone missing so there was a pretty good chance that critical evidence was gone
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at at that point had been frustrating washed away it's awful so knowing that they were at this disadvantage and given
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the nature of this case and the other recent disappearances the sheriff's office called in the local uh Office of
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the FBI which I think was the smartest move they could have made absolutely they wanted the FBI's assistance in
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evaluating whether Mandy's death was related to these other crimes and if so to help develop a profile for the person
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responsible so while the Sheriff's Office coordinated with other agencies deputies got to work tracking the only
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lead that they had so far which was a a suspicious vehicle spotted by several residents around the time that Mandy had
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disappeared according to the sheriff the deputies were looking for a black or brown full-size Chevrolet or Ford Style
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pickup with a matching canopy and a gold stripe so pretty like that's that's a good description I was going to say
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that's really detailed so at least there's that you just think whenever it's oh I whenever they have to give the
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description of a vehicle you're just like yeah like what happened you know what I mean like when it gets that far
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you're just like I hate that somebody had to remember that vehicle exactly cuz what did they see that made them it's
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just like it gives me chills how many cars do you pass throughout the day and you think absolutely nothing always
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think that but then you pass one and you're like I should remember that that's exactly like something something
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happens that you're like I need to remember that and I like I couldn't tell you one car I passed by today oh my God
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no we were driving except the purple truck except the purple truck but that was cuz it was purple exactly but I
00:28:48
couldn't tell you anything else about it and that's the thing I think about that
00:28:52
all the time especially after I've just like gotten done with a case I'm like I need to be more Vigilant I know it's so
00:28:57
hard it is now so the day after Mandy's body was found the autopsy was conducted
00:29:03
by watom County Medical Examiner uh Dr Gary gold Fogle I think is how you say it one of the first things he noted was
00:29:10
that Mandy's body appeared to be covered in what is quoted as long scratches on her legs buttocks and arms and there
00:29:18
were more scratches on the front of the body than there were on the back so because a lot of the scratches were
00:29:25
parallel it indicated that Mandy was alive when she'd got them gotten them to the medical examiner and it also
00:29:32
indicated that she'd been in motion when she got these scratches because they were parallel yeah um and the medical
00:29:39
examiner noted that they were quote consistent with someone running through brush such as the blackberry bushes
00:29:44
found along the riverbank where Mandy's body was found oh God so she was running
00:29:49
yes oh now her body showed no signs of defensive wounds no evidence of strangulation and there was no other DNA
00:29:57
or evidence found under underneath her fingernails there was however a significant blunt force trauma injury to
00:30:03
her forehead and the doctor believed that it would have been that excuse me that it would have caused a very
00:30:08
significant concussion but he wasn't able to say whether or not Mandy ever lost Consciousness oh so ultimately he
00:30:16
identified the cause of death as a freshwater drowning oh my God because she had been knocked unconscious and
00:30:22
then thrown in the river oh yeah and noted that the time of death was between 3:30 and 4:30
00:30:32
p.m. it's awful mhm so during the autopsy this is a bit graphic and I just want to let you guys know that uh he did
00:30:41
find Seaman in Mandy's body and quote based on the sperm count concluded sexual intercourse had occurred no more
00:30:48
than 12 hours before her death oh my God she had been raped and given the circumstances he was comfortable saying
00:30:55
that's what had happened it was a rape MH and so the Seaman sample was collected and sent to the state's FBI
00:31:01
office and the Washington State Patrol crime lab for analysis where a DNA profile would later be created but
00:31:08
remember this is barely the 90s at this point yeah DNA had not come that far yet
00:31:15
yeah they have it and that's great and but it's not where it is now not at all it's not like they ran it through some
00:31:21
system and it was like ding ding ding here's your guy that's the thing it's like it's great that they have the DNA
00:31:26
it's great that they know know what it is at this point but like what to do with it is kind of a different story at
00:31:32
this point exactly so now they knew the cause and the approximate time of death but other than that again investigators
00:31:40
are stumped and not finding much of anything else they spent hours combing the banks of the Nook sack and the
00:31:46
surrounding area but they did not find anything that indicated where Mandy was kidnapped from where she was attacked or
00:31:54
who had taken her and the deputy coroner or no no sorry the deputy um like a officer Yeah Tim ortner said of the
00:32:06
person who did this quote he either has to know the area or he's the luckiest son of a son of a [ __ ] in the world
00:32:13
yeah I'm going to go with nose the area I am not going to tell you okay so while investigators struggled to find
00:32:20
who did this the community in watom County continued just reeling from the news of this this latest murder one
00:32:28
resident told reporters it's so damn frustrating I've wondered how many times I've talked to him meaning the killer
00:32:34
this weekend I look around and wonder and high school student Pete Stewart told reporters it makes you think twice
00:32:40
now before you go out walking alone it makes you think what a crazy world it is out there and a lot of residents in this
00:32:47
town started locking doors that they'd never bothered with in the past like this was a town where you were safe
00:32:52
enough to not have to lock your back door your front door not even think about it something like this changes
00:32:58
everything yeah and people were going out and buying guns for protection like arming themselves because they were
00:33:03
scared yeah because remember she's not the first girl to go missing yeah this seems to have been a pattern around
00:33:09
there exactly which is interesting because I will tell you that they're actually not related oh wow or they
00:33:13
don't like they don't believe it's related they don't believe it's related so days later after a report of a young
00:33:20
woman being nearly abducted elsewhere in the county another one jeez public fear
00:33:26
prompted the Sheriff's Office to make a public statement regarding the risk of human Predators speaking to reporters
00:33:33
the criminal Deputy uh Dean sandel I think is how you say his name he said the citizens of watom County should be
00:33:39
aware of the hazards and risks involved in their daily lives the sheriff Sheriff's Office recommends that they
00:33:44
try to avoid situations that put them in a state of high risk these situations include walking or jogging alone
00:33:51
especially late at night and an unlit areas which is true but Mandy went for a jog in the middle of the afternoon I was
00:33:58
just going to say like all that is absolutely true she wasn't alone she was in a wallet area she was in her own
00:34:03
[ __ ] neighborhood there was literally no there was nothing that would have made her think that she would be even
00:34:09
slightly unsafe no nothing the time the the the darkness or lightness of day bringing a dog with her having people
00:34:19
know where she was going she did everything right everything that's the thing and sometimes you that's what
00:34:24
happens we've done these stories a million times where you do right and it's still yeah and the so the Sheriff's
00:34:33
Office also reminded residents to be vigilant and their awareness of strangers in the area and they
00:34:38
specifically noted including men who are reportedly watching young women or children especially near schools and bus
00:34:44
stops so this community was like in crisis a huge Edge like I can't imagine living in this community at this time I
00:34:51
wouldn't I don't think I would leave my [ __ ] house no and now by December tips were coming in not nonstop about
00:34:58
Mandy's murder the detectives were actually said to be receiving almost 30 calls an hour while they were on the job
00:35:06
and outside of work they were getting tips called in to their personal lines like their home lines which it's like
00:35:13
maybe don't do that yeah don't do that but unfortunately these tips were not very helpful in helping investigators
00:35:19
narrow down the pool of potential suspects and at that point the pool included just about anybody in town that
00:35:25
they hadn't ruled out yet that's not great rough now the best lead investigators had was a description of a
00:35:33
man seen in the area around the time that Mandy did go missing and the Press described this man as the pudgy faed man
00:35:40
wow he was described as being white in his early to mid-30s quote with a pudgy face and cheeks dark hair and a mustache
00:35:48
and 3 to four days growth of beard so that's a pretty good description yeah it's not nice to call people pudgy faed
00:35:54
but if this is a murderer whatever then call them whatever you want exactly So based on the information from the public
00:35:59
who had seen this guy driving um a 1970s light brown station wagon in the area so
00:36:06
kind of similar y so they were able to put together a composite sketch and they circulated that in the news and around
00:36:12
the community and also on apyre but it failed to produce any viable leads a composite sketch wow now on December 3rd
00:36:23
1989 Mandy was laid to rest at St Joseph uh Miss Cemetery in Clipper which is a smaller town close by to acne Acme and
00:36:32
the funeral and burial costs were actually paid from a fund that was set up by the administration of the Acme
00:36:38
elementary school so this community really banded around each other yeah and later that day they had a memorial
00:36:46
service at the high school Mandy went to Mount Baker High and nearly a thousand people attended to pay their respects
00:36:54
that I mean this all tells you something about her it does and it gives as I say it and this family yeah and
00:37:00
this community exactly and the whole Community like even though they're they are in crisis right now like I would
00:37:06
want to be a part of this community if if I was in crisis you know absolutely it seemed like you could lean on your
00:37:12
neighbors seriously and you would need to at this point yeah so any hope that the new year would bring a break in the
00:37:19
case quickly faded the New Year came and went investigators were still trying but
00:37:23
they were coming up with nothing now in late January 19 1990 there was testing done on a pair of sweatpants that had
00:37:30
been discovered during the initial search the pants were believed to be mandies but they weren't even completely
00:37:36
sure that they were but in a statement to the press a spokesperson for the FBI crime lab told the reporters nothing
00:37:42
that we received from this is certain so this is like wall after wall after wall and that's and it's like
00:37:49
people are getting hope because they're like okay they like unfortunately was Seaman found we can test that we don't
00:37:56
have much to do with it okay those sweatpants might be hers maybe that will help us like come up with a lead okay we
00:38:02
have a composite sketch and it's just like nope nope that's the thing it's not for lack of them doing a great job here
00:38:09
and for them finding things and actually like really moving this forward it's just it seems like every time they get
00:38:16
something they just hit this massive wall it's so frustrating wall that's the thing and sadly none of Mandy's other
00:38:22
clothing was ever discovered so they couldn't do testing on it and neither was the Walkman that she had taken with
00:38:28
her on her jog oh so investigators they were also staying silent on whether Mandy had been
00:38:36
sexually assaulted like to the Press they didn't want this getting out yeah they told the Press at this time that
00:38:41
information is only known to us and the perpetrator of the crime I think what they were trying to do was keep things
00:38:48
close to the chest and kind of suggest that there were certain aspects about this crime that were going to be able to
00:38:55
be used to identify somebody dur in questioning and they weren't going to let that out absolutely but despite
00:39:01
their best efforts up to that point they had really only succeeded in ruling people out they had they didn't really
00:39:07
have suspects they were just ruling people out left and right and that's going to take a while and the composite
00:39:12
sketch of the pudgy face band had still not produced any concrete leads investigators weren't finding anybody
00:39:19
who matched that description and I mean I would assume that they probably shaved
00:39:23
their beard at that point yeah I would think so you know or grew it even longer and in the weeks that followed the new
00:39:30
year a bunch of investigators ended up being taken off the case which was indicating that the case was getting
00:39:36
cold but by March the tide actually seemed to be turning in favor of the investigators when the Sheriff's Office
00:39:43
announced that they had identified a person of interest in Mandy's case oo Sheriff Larry mount told the Press
00:39:50
there's one excuse me there's more than one suspect we're just waiting on lab results to help us decide whether we've
00:39:56
been going in the right direction or the wrong direction and what he was referring to
00:40:02
were hair and fiber samples collected from Mandy's body that they were hoping to tie to a suspect oh and they had also
00:40:09
been collecting blood and saliva samples from suspects over the course of the investigation but those again were more
00:40:17
useful in ruling people out than they were in yeah than actually identifying someone mhm so as the weeks passed and
00:40:24
the lab results slowly came back from the crime lab s the sheriff's investigators actually seemed further
00:40:31
away still further away frustrating than they ever were in the first place and the announcement of a person of interest
00:40:39
proved to be one of the last encouraging leads that investigators had in the hunt
00:40:43
for Mandy's killer so in March 1992 two years after the Sheriff's Office had made that announcement that person of
00:40:51
interest was suing the county what quote saying sheriff's deputies duped defamed
00:40:58
and mistreated him whoa so according to Paul Malik who was that person of interest who lived on Strand Road at the
00:41:05
time of Mandy's disappearance sheriff's deputies illegally arrested him and forcibly took Heron saliva samples from
00:41:12
him who and he said it was while six deputies held him down in the in the county jail whoa he also claimed they
00:41:19
never advised him of his rights they never allowed him to speak with his lawyer they never even showed him the
00:41:25
search warrant that allowed them to take the samples o and he said actually that
00:41:30
he had gone to the police voluntarily thinking that he was one of the last people to see Mandy alive on
00:41:36
the day she went missing like he's thinking he's going to help and then this is what happens I think they may
00:41:43
have been getting desperate if what he says is true yeah and I wasn't there so I can't say yeah that's not great if
00:41:49
that's what happened definitely not that's not how you want to go about an investigation because then the community
00:41:54
is not going to trust you yeah but he told reporters at first I ne uh I never considered I would be a suspect I firmly
00:42:01
believe that it's only because I live in a dump and I was poor that I became a suspect who could not clear himself by
00:42:07
merely proving where he was and by having a witness who could say they saw me leaving whoa so he was like I think I
00:42:13
was kind of pinpointed here for all the wrong reasons now according to the former
00:42:18
Sheriff Larry mount who was no longer Sheriff when Paul filed the suit quote he was told that Malik initially
00:42:25
resisted when deputies tried to get the samples and he also stated that deputies
00:42:30
definitely did not use improper force and they were well within their rights to restrain him if need be okay um now
00:42:38
actually Wacom County Sheriff's Chief criminal Deputy Dean sandel agreed and he said the investigators took samples
00:42:45
in the most unobtrusive way we could all right so I was not there so I don't know
00:42:50
yeah I don't know and actually it's kind of unclear if the suit was resolved oh how or if it ever really was or if it
00:42:57
just got dropped but it was the last time that Mandy's case received attention from the press for many many
00:43:05
years that's upsetting it is so as the years passed after Mandy's murder luckily DNA was coming along long way
00:43:13
and had come a long way in its ability to identify suspects and especially obviously as we know in cases involving
00:43:21
sexual assault yeah and so a DNA profile had been developed from the seen collected during Mandy's autopsy right
00:43:28
after but it wasn't until 2009 when the Cold Case was reopened that it did become useful to the
00:43:35
investigators um and actually the scientific advances of DNA profiling were what prompted detective Kevin uh bo
00:43:44
I think it's bohay to reopen the case he was actually now a veteran officer but he had just joined the part uh the the
00:43:53
department why couldn't I say that right before Mandy went missing he was a rookie basically W that's crazy
00:44:00
and he didn't know it yet but he would become one of the few investigators to see the case all the way through from
00:44:07
beginning to end W that's cool because don't worry there's an end there's an end thank goodness there's an end and
00:44:13
this [ __ ] thank you for telling us that because it would really make me angry if this was like still open I know
00:44:19
sometimes I feel like when we get to this point you do have to tell people just to be like this is not still cold
00:44:24
like I promise stay with us us this has a good ending exactly so in the decade since the murder occurred uh bohay and
00:44:31
other investigators had worked on a theory as to how the crime unfolded obviously they thought that Mandy's
00:44:37
abductor was most likely somebody she knew or at the very least was familiar with and they theorized that this person
00:44:43
had pulled up alongside her while she was jogging and pointed a gun at her demanding that she get in the vehicle
00:44:51
they figured once inside the vehicle this person drove about four miles away into a wooded area and that's where
00:44:57
Mandy was sexually assaulted and after that they figured that she attempted to flee through the woods which is why her
00:45:05
legs and her arms and everything got all scratched up um and they believed that the attacker was chasing her through the
00:45:13
woods eventually caught up to her HIIT her in the head which Claus caused that blunt force trauma to her forehead and
00:45:21
then placed her in the river unconscious causing her to drown oh my God the most random and brutal attack that is
00:45:31
horrifying that is something you see in a horror movie and like and we always say like say like okay that's a lot yeah
00:45:38
that's well and just for her family to have that kind of visual in their head it's just like o
00:45:46
that's a nightmare cuz I have the visual in my head right now and I can't even imagine how could you know that's a
00:45:51
nightmare it it's so many people's nightmare real nightmare actually so Bo and team went back to the original file
00:45:58
and they reinterviewed every single person involved and they took DNA samples from anyone living in the area
00:46:05
at the time who would have had any contact with Mandy that fall anybody that was willing to at that point yeah
00:46:11
and eventually excuse me eventually the detectives collected more than 80 samples which of course were all going
00:46:19
to have to be processed yeah and that's the thing with DNA it's like it's not like CSI it's not like CSI at all it's
00:46:26
not like Forensic Files or it's like Forensic Files it's not like CSI and those you know like sitcom kind of like
00:46:35
just goes like it's like yeah and then it's like ding ding and it just finds someone within 5 Seconds it takes time
00:46:41
it doesn't happen like that there's waiting so several more years went by and all throughout those years Bo and
00:46:49
his team continued to Chas down leads and one of those leads would eventually introduce them to an Acme resident named
00:46:57
Timothy bass now at the time of the murder he actually would have been known to Mandy
00:47:02
and her friends actually if his name sounded slightly familiar to you that's because his younger brother Tom Bass was
00:47:10
one of the boys that Mandy had plans to go to the movies with the night she disappeared oh my God
00:47:17
yep what small town coincidence the [ __ ] so but when the detectives went out to
00:47:24
talk to Tim who was the older brother sheans with he acted like he wasn't quite who Mandy even at first shut up
00:47:34
and given his proximity to the case he the detective Boe found it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't remember
00:47:40
Mandy yeah come on but still he was like let me [ __ ] jog your memory [ __ ] and he said bass looked up kind of like
00:47:48
he was searching his memory and then finally said oh that was the girl that was found in the
00:47:54
river what like Jesus Christ dude be a little more [ __ ] callous like how eloquent it's like yeah that was the
00:48:01
girl from your community that was murdered young like the girl who just graduated high school like barely went
00:48:07
out for a run took all precautions like really like oh that's that girl that they found in the river
00:48:15
like what the f with you but then on top of all that weirdness he also said he didn't really
00:48:22
know her he had no idea where she lived and he would absolutely not consent to giving any DNA without a warrant oh so
00:48:30
like look more guilty could you come on so but the thing was they didn't have any physical evidence linking bass to
00:48:37
the crime so it was going to be really [ __ ] difficult to convince a judge to issue a search warrant or a warrant for
00:48:43
the DNA now coincidentally detective Kevin Boe was not the only one thinking about Tim bass in 2013 because yes we
00:48:53
are in 2013 at this point Mandy was killed in 198 damn her family went through so much
00:49:01
suffered so much time and and remember this is their second child that has been killed and it's
00:49:10
unsolved so in June of that year a group of mothers had gathered for a group outing to a local water park with their
00:49:17
kids it was just a like Community being Community I don't know yeah now during a
00:49:22
conversation between two of the mothers Heather Backstrom and marily Anderson the subject of Mandy's death came up and
00:49:29
they both talked about how surprised they were that the notorious case was still unsolved so they kind of talked
00:49:35
about the case for a little bit you know like having a discussion and Heather Backstrom suddenly blurted out I know
00:49:40
who killed her what and was surprised when merily reported or excuse me replied I do
00:49:48
too I'm sorry what ladies it turned out that they like they both they did not know for sure but they had an ankling
00:49:55
but they were pretty sure because they both had really scary and rather unpleasant experiences with one Timothy
00:50:03
bass while they were younger and they had each had suspicions for years that he might be involved in Mandy's dis hope
00:50:10
they get this [ __ ] years later they were still freaked out by this guy who was
00:50:14
still a part of their community so this [ __ ] stayed in his [ __ ] Community just like whoever earlier was
00:50:22
like I'm I wonder if I've talked to him this weekend prob have now according to Marie Tim bass had been friends with her
00:50:30
now husband while they were in high school and years later he showed up at her house while she was home alone with
00:50:36
her infant son oh God and because he's friends with her husband she's like he's kind of creepy but like I don't know and
00:50:42
he said he'd been hunting and he needed to use a phone and she's like you're a friend like okay I don't love this
00:50:49
situation but you know so having known him from high school she let him into the house and pointed him in the
00:50:55
direction of the phone but once he went in that direction she could hear beeping
00:50:59
from the phone which proved that he hadn't made a call what like she knew he hadn't made a call so after that he
00:51:08
stalked back through the kitchen and just walked up to her and told her he'd always been in love with her that he
00:51:14
used to drive past her in her husband's house and that he wanted to make love to
00:51:21
her she is home alone with her infant son I'm horrified and this man just shows up and he knew exactly what he was
00:51:29
doing he didn't have a [ __ ] call to make he's there he's there for this yeah and as we all know he's already raped
00:51:35
somebody at this point he is a dangerous [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] piece of garbage she was like yeah that's not
00:51:42
going to be happening and in that moment realized she'd made a huge mistake letting him into the house a kept trying
00:51:49
to coers her into her own bedroom oh my God and only left when she yelled at him
00:51:54
that she was going to call the police if he didn't get the [ __ ] out of there so
00:51:57
luckily he got out of there thank goodness and probably because he was scared of her calling the police because
00:52:03
he knew he had murdered some murdered someone so Heather Backstrom the other friend who was talking at the water park
00:52:09
that afternoon she had a similar experience with Tim bass only a few months before Mandy was murdered oh God
00:52:17
according to her she was only 15 years old at the time and she'd gone to a softball game just to like you know and
00:52:23
she's getting a ride home from her friend Dan who was also driving his friend 21-year-old Tim bass in the car
00:52:31
remember she's 15 he's 21 he's 21 21 years old holy [ __ ] so he was 21 when he murdered Jesus no spoiler alert now
00:52:42
during the drive he started aggressively flirting with her she said he would talk
00:52:47
about my eyes and say they were beautiful then he took a pen out of a cup holder and would start rubbing it
00:52:52
along my knees what the [ __ ] being a [ __ ] creeper now luckily Dan being in the car her friend that was giving her
00:52:59
the ride kept things from escalating any further but she never forgot how predatory he seemed and she went out of
00:53:08
her way to avoid him anytime she saw him what a disgusting Pig and that's the thing it's like I feel like sometimes
00:53:15
when a woman has an experience like that like aggressive flirting and like doing
00:53:20
that weird thing to her niece some people will be like what's like what why were you so freaked out oh yeah they're
00:53:26
definitely there's definitely people that will say that like they minimize it but as a woman you know when you're in a
00:53:33
dangerous situation like something happens to your body and you know there's alarm bells that immediately go
00:53:40
off and I just wanted to say that cuz as I was writing it I was thinking about people that would be like well I don't
00:53:44
know like that doesn't really sound that scary she was terrified she was 15 she was 15 years old and this 21y old ising
00:53:52
and she doesn't want to be touched and she doesn't want to be flirted with so I just wanted to say that just putting it
00:53:57
out there just putting it out there so at the time that each incident occurred both of them felt powerless like they
00:54:04
were like I don't I don't know if this is even anything to report really yeah like what I hate that it's so hard it's
00:54:10
so hard and again you're intimidated by people that are going to be like what's the big deal exactly that's and you
00:54:15
start questioning yourself like am I overreacting to this please if anything like this ever happens to you you're not
00:54:22
overreacting any reaction you have is not an overreaction that's the thing and if you feel like are it's okay if you
00:54:28
feel unsafe someone crossed your boundary and [ __ ] them up [ __ ] them up [ __ ] them up [ __ ] them up so still in
00:54:34
the wake of Mandy's death those experiences made both of them wonder whether or not it was Tim bass who had
00:54:40
murdered Mandy but they knew that there was no evidence that they probably wouldn't be taken seriously and also if
00:54:46
they were wrong they would do irreparable damage to this guy's reputation which probably isn't great
00:54:52
but like as is but they were like I don't know what should we do yeah they didn't feel like they should they could
00:54:58
report this okay but now they felt more empowered and it was kind of like in part of the validation of the two of
00:55:06
them having a similar experience and so they decided to go and report it to the police together which like had they not
00:55:13
gone to that water park together that day and gone to the police about Tim I don't know if this case would have been
00:55:20
Sol wow just two moms at this [ __ ] could be a movie CRA going to say this is like
00:55:27
cinematic the way that this is coming together it is the way that they're just like sitting there I could see like I
00:55:32
like picture their kids playing in the background and they're like having this deep discussion and they decide to do
00:55:37
something about it hell yeah and like I said had they not I don't know I don't know what would have
00:55:42
happened so I might have lost my place nope I didn't so the reports from Heather Backstrom and marily Anderson
00:55:48
suggested to investigators that they were on the right track they had heard that name before they had heard his name
00:55:53
and now they're hearing it again from two women who had yucky experiences but the investigators their
00:56:00
situation with Tim still remained frustrating he was not providing any kind of DNA sample and would not even
00:56:07
speak to investigators further Shady [ __ ] Shady [ __ ] so now it's 2015 we've fast forwarded two more
00:56:16
years have gone by six years after the case was reopened detective Boe went back to Tim bass because he's like I
00:56:24
know I'm on the right track here I just got to get there and he was like you know maybe in the past couple of years
00:56:30
he changed his mind maybe I'll get some DNA but he still would not give DNA he went Years Years holding something's
00:56:40
wrong something is wrong here something's wrong so the exchange with Boe actually did freak Tim bass out to
00:56:47
the extent that he told his brother Tom he was worried that he would become a suspect and that the reason he didn't
00:56:54
want to submit a sample and this is not true don't even entertain this for a second he said he didn't want to submit
00:57:01
a sample because he actually had had sex with Mandy while she was home for Thanksgiving break shut the [ __ ] up you
00:57:06
pig no the [ __ ] you didn't you actual Pig and even his brother didn't believe him because he was like Mandy had only
00:57:13
been home for like two days at that point before she went missing one of which was Thanksgiving and you're
00:57:19
[ __ ] disgusting in your gross and he was like I don't even know how you would have had time to have such Conta not
00:57:26
possible and Tim told his brother oh I just went up to her and I said oh you're keeping fit and that was it so he was
00:57:34
like oh I just complimented her and it was that easy oh shut the [ __ ] up go [ __ ] yourself all this time goes by and
00:57:41
he's this is the kind of [ __ ] he's still pulling oh yeah after he's killed this
00:57:45
woman yeah he is a yeah I don't there's not even a word for what kind of filthy [ __ ] monster he is like you're a
00:57:52
piece of [ __ ] but then it actually gets worse then he asked his brother Tim asks
00:57:58
his brother Tom if the police ask Tom anything about this he wants Tom to tell the police that Tom also slept with
00:58:07
Mandy oh my God to make it seem like she slept around which she did not so he's just going to sit there and [ __ ] all
00:58:15
over her reputation Mur he has brutally murdered her raped her you're disgusting chased
00:58:22
her like to her demise and threw her her unconscious body into a [ __ ] he's disgusting and that was not the only
00:58:31
bizarre conversation that went down within the bass family at that time according to Tim's then wife Gina Malone
00:58:37
who is no longer his wife oh good not long after the conversation that Tim had with his brother he was actually talking
00:58:43
to his mother Sandra and asked her quote if they could agree to tell the police that bass's deceased father had killed
00:58:52
Mandy wow he wanted to pin this on his dead dad holy [ __ ] and also it's like dude
00:59:03
your DNA will still look different yeah you don't have the exact same DNA my friend like oh my God that shows what's
00:59:11
going on up there truly so his mother was absolutely horrified at this and she's like what the [ __ ] are you talking
00:59:17
about God and she just apparently according to Gina she covered her face and just said
00:59:22
no so I don't know about that what is that about that is some that's some [ __ ]
00:59:29
that's some [ __ ] so meanwhile detective Boe was endlessly frustrated with the lack of progress in the case cuz it's
00:59:37
right there because that is exactly it it is it's dangling in front of him and it's the old man that's like you got to
00:59:43
be quicker than that yeah it's truly like so close so he reaches out to Kim Wagner
00:59:50
who was the manager of the bakery store the bakery store where Tim worked oh my God he was a delivery driver for a
00:59:59
bakery store this man may have given you a [ __ ] cake hate it but so he approaches the manager of this store and
01:00:06
he's hoping he can get permission to swab the delivery trucks for touch DNA which would be left by the driver
01:00:12
obviously so Kim Wagner told detective Boe that he would need to get permission from the corporate office so she gave
01:00:19
him the phone number for corporate headquarters but they wouldn't allow it which is [ __ ] in my opinion I was
01:00:25
like that's like you're [ __ ] up yeah no so that stalled the case for another two years oh my God so now we're in
01:00:33
Spring of 2017 holy [ __ ] and detective Boe goes back to Kim and he's like can you provide the investigators with the
01:00:42
general route that Tim drives like can you do can you just do that until then he hadn't told her who he was
01:00:48
investigating or why but this time Wagner actually asked whether this was in relation to the stavic murder and he
01:00:56
the detective confirmed like yeah it was which is interesting yeah so then Kim asked if Tim was a suspect and the
01:01:05
detective confirmed yes he is and he explained we basically want to follow him so that if he throws anything out
01:01:11
along his route we can take it DNA it's DNA and it's public [ __ ] now yeah so she
01:01:17
was like yeah you can but they were uh they were able to follow him along his route but they never managed to collect
01:01:24
anything containing his DNA so a short time later in August of 2017 Kim actually ran into Tim bass in
01:01:34
the break room at the bakery and she saw him drinking water from a plastic cup oh
01:01:41
which he then discarded into the trash before leaving the room so being the [ __ ] MVP of the [ __ ]
01:01:50
decade she W Waltz I was going to say went and then I went for Walt it was kind of crazy she waled on over
01:01:58
collected the cup from the trash put it in a plastic bag and handed it over to detective Boe and she actually before
01:02:07
she handed handed it over to the detective she also did the same thing a few days later when she saw Tim discard
01:02:14
a soda can in the trash Oh my God so she got them two samples hell yeah baddest [ __ ]
01:02:22
alive so she texts the detective and she's like hey hey um I did a thing I did this thing I did this thing and
01:02:29
she's like I want to give this to you as evidence so they met up in a parking lot
01:02:34
that same afternoon and Boe accepted the DNA evidence yeah and the samples obviously were then submitted for Rush
01:02:42
processing and came back as a DNA match to the seen collected from Mandy's body in 1989 [ __ ] he had murdered her wow and
01:02:52
it was a slam dunk there was you can't argue that you can't argue that so later when asked why she took it upon herself
01:02:58
to collect the evidence and this like almost made me cry when I read it the first time Kim said if Tim was
01:03:04
potentially involved in that crime I wanted to do the right thing for Mandy oh which I'm like [ __ ] Community
01:03:11
seriously like more of this story is banned around your [ __ ] Community like I I love it it takes a village
01:03:18
friends it takes a village so on December 12th 2017 watom County sheriff's deputies led by detective
01:03:26
Kevin Boe arrested Tim bass at his home in Everson for the first degree murder of M stoic in 1989 and in a press
01:03:36
conference watom County Sheriff uh now obviously there was a new sheriff because it's like so many years later
01:03:41
bill Alo he told reporters it was one of the best moments in my professional career when we got to inform her mother
01:03:48
that we were making arrest oh I love that she was there to see it thank good goodness like because her heart would
01:03:56
never ever be mended again but the fact that she knows what happened yeah and to
01:04:03
see someone be punished for it exactly and knows that the person that did this is never going to be allowed to do this
01:04:09
to another person I can't even imagine and the sheriff told reporters that they made the arrest based on that DNA
01:04:16
evidence connecting bass to the murder so had Kim not made that decision would he might still be walking free but uh he
01:04:24
did stop short of saying where the evidence had been collected from in the press conference you know can't really
01:04:29
talk about that too much no so while investigators and the Prosecutors Office started building their case against him
01:04:36
Tim bass was desperately grasping for any Alibi or contrary evidence that would protect him from this murder
01:04:43
conviction it's like dude give it up they have your semen like you're there's no arguing that no and he maintained to
01:04:52
the detectives and everybody else working on the case that they were all out to get him he said oh shut the [ __ ]
01:04:58
up you're not special nobody's get me no one wants you in their presence no we sure don't so in conversations with
01:05:03
family members during visits to jail he allegedly asked his mother to provide an
01:05:08
alibi for him which is like God yeah you can have all the aliis you want your seman doesn't just like jump across
01:05:15
miles and miles and go anywhere that's not how it works stop asking your mom to do these things you
01:05:22
[ __ ] nasty [ __ ] so he said maybe you can say that we were Christmas shopping wow are you joking me wow he
01:05:31
gets worse and worse as this story goes you murdered someone the day after Thanksgiving what the [ __ ] is wrong with
01:05:37
you and he also kept begging his brother Tom to spread a rumor that Mandy was promiscuous oh my God he said Tom do
01:05:45
what you can maybe other friends could say they knew her back then as well e like what the [ __ ] you killed her in
01:05:54
one of the most brutal way possible and now you want to kill her memory too jeez
01:05:58
that is zero zero remorse every single day on this Earth is a living [ __ ] hell for him I hope so so the DNA
01:06:07
evidence connecting him to the murder uh was incredibly strong to say the least and during his press conference Sheriff
01:06:13
Alo told reporters the laboratory determined that the match probability was one in 11
01:06:20
quadrillion yeah it's pretty good so uh they were pretty comfortable prosecuting
01:06:25
now on December 14th Tim bass did appear before a judge he was officially charged
01:06:30
with first-degree felony murder and it alleged that he caused Mandy's death in the course or furtherance of rape
01:06:37
attempted rape kidnapping or attempted kidnapping disgusting Pig now in his statement to the Press watom County
01:06:42
prosecutor David um uh mcran that's what it is told reporters that he wasn't able
01:06:48
to charge bass separately for rape or kidnapping because the statue of limitations had run out for both crimes
01:06:55
I hate that so the felony murder charge was most likely the one that he would face okay now in the months that
01:07:01
followed the public defender Steph Jackson who is Tim bass's public defender obviously filed one motion
01:07:08
after another first he tried to get the kidnapping and the rape charges dropped then he wanted to have the DNA evidence
01:07:16
excluded from trial in what world are we going to exclude DNA evidence from The Trial you can get [ __ ] but he claimed
01:07:24
that Kim Wagner was illegally acting as an agent of the state when she collected
01:07:29
the trash containing the DNA and he said thus it should be excluded he said put simply Law Enforcement Officers cannot
01:07:36
use private citizens to obtain evidence without a search warrant where a search warrant would otherwise be required this
01:07:41
search was done for a singular reason to assist law enforcement it's like yeah whatever so David mcran countered that
01:07:50
detective bohay had never asked Kim Wagner to get involved in the case or on behalf of the watom county sheriff's
01:07:57
department and in fact he actually made it very clear they weren't directing her
01:08:01
to do anything yeah Kim acted entirely of her own valtion and said she had a daughter and hoped that somebody would
01:08:09
do the same if it were her daughter so after hearing both sides judge agrees with the prosecution and Jackson's
01:08:16
motion to suppress DNA evidence was denied bye heyo so after 30 years of dead ends and false hope the opportunity
01:08:27
to get Mandy Justice finally arrived on May 10th 2019 wow this just happened [ __ ]
01:08:35
years yeah wow so in his opening statement to the jury uh David mcran presented the case as it had been
01:08:44
assembled by the investigators they said she'd gone out jogging Mandy she was intercepted by Tim bass he forced her
01:08:50
into his car at gunpoint he took her to a area and raped her and and she tried to escape he
01:08:57
chased her down in the woods struck her in the head and again placed her unconscious body in the river where she
01:09:03
drowned now the evidence collected during the autopsy obviously implicated bass in the in the crime yep and his
01:09:11
behavior following his arrest especially his repeated attempts to get friends and
01:09:15
family to lie on his behalf yeah only confirmed his guilt and mcran told the jury we know that he wanted his brother
01:09:23
to say that he himself had sex with her to make her look like she was a loose girl and wanted an alibi I love that
01:09:29
also he was hanging his head on that like somehow if she had slept with multiple people that this was fine that
01:09:36
it's okay she got murdered it's like yeah that still doesn't work it still still doesn't work that way exactly so
01:09:42
the public defender Stephen Jackson on the other hand he just presented a case that really had
01:09:49
little to do with Tim bass at all he said to the jury that Tim bass and Mandy stavic had consensual sex and you know
01:09:56
he would know cuz he was there yeah absolutely and he said obviously that explains the presence of DNA in her body
01:10:02
but you know as for her disappearance and her death that's a mystery still 30 years later he said Tim bass is not
01:10:09
guilty he didn't kidnap anyone he didn't rape anyone and he certainly didn't kill
01:10:14
anyone I'm like that's great do you have anything to back that up imagine trying
01:10:20
to get a case to remain unsolved no when you have the killer right here no imagine no I couldn't couldn't be me but
01:10:31
he actually argued that the prosecution had no evidence of rape huh I'm like I what and they were
01:10:40
like and he said that they didn't have any Witnesses who saw Mandy's abduction it's like yeah the semen in her body and
01:10:45
the fact that she ended up in a river directly after kind of tells us everything we need to know it's like
01:10:51
nope no abduction can happen unless people see it nope that's it if he he actually I'm just picturing him standing
01:10:58
there in the courtroom being like if a tree falls in the middle of the woods and no one's around to see it it didn't
01:11:05
really fall like sir like no have all the godamn seats in the world and get the [ __ ] out of here go get a granola
01:11:13
bar get the [ __ ] out of here so basically he was just saying like you know a lot of people had seen Mandy
01:11:21
jogging that day any one of them could have been the person to kidnpped her broad daylight wow shut up what a
01:11:26
defense nobody was really um into this at all no and after a week of testimony and unfortunately very graphic evidence
01:11:34
the prosecution rested their case on May 17th and the defense rested theirs on the 22nd the jury deliberated for a
01:11:41
little over one day and then they came back with a verdict of guilty hell yeah on the charges of first-degree murder
01:11:49
and they also found him guilty in the special verdicts first-degree rape attempted first-degree rape first first
01:11:56
deegree kidnapping and attempting first deegree kidnapping guilty on all [ __ ] charges yes and when those
01:12:05
verdicts were read almost everybody in that courtroom erupted into tears I love that obviously overwhelmed with like
01:12:14
every possible emotion you could feel after 30 years of wondering what had happened to this poor girl so he was
01:12:21
sentenced to 320 months or 26 years in prison for the crimes against Mandy stoic in 2021 obviously they filed an
01:12:29
appeal because what else do they have to do and it argued among other things that
01:12:34
the admissibility of the DNA evidence linking him to the crime and the constitutionality of charging bass under
01:12:40
felony murder statute amended after the crime occurred shut blah blah blah blah blah no one wants to hear from you again
01:12:46
basically what they were trying to say is that like one of the statutes had run out for the crime for what he was
01:12:51
convicted of and that the DNA evidence was like not good or something I guess because because Kim Wagner had G yeah of
01:12:57
course it's and what they were trying to say too was that Kim Wagner had violated
01:13:03
Tim's constitutional rights I love that when the DNA matches it's like yeah but it was stupid the way you got it
01:13:10
literally like that's your still [ __ ] matches you did it it doesn't matter how
01:13:13
I got it and like work is a public place right yeah you know yeah I don't know I
01:13:19
don't know it works we're like I don't know if that's true but whatever I don't know if it's true but the appeals court
01:13:24
they uh they disagreed that that Kim had violated the constitutional rights they
01:13:29
aged all matters they said to prove a private citizen was acting as a government agent the defendant must show
01:13:35
that the state in some way instigated encouraged Council directed or controlled the conduct of a private
01:13:40
person and that they that bass's lawyers had failed to prove that claim in court
01:13:45
yeah so I don't think you can technically take somebody's DNA at work but it's very hard to prove that somebody made
01:13:55
you do it like law enforcement made you do it yeah absolutely there was no proof
01:13:58
that they did exactly and I don't think they did I think Kim was Kim was living yeah she was doing her job man she was
01:14:04
being a mama yeah now as far as the argument that the prosecutor applied a statute that had been amended after the
01:14:10
crime occurred the justices wrote although we conclude the trial court uh errored in applying a 1990 version of
01:14:16
the felony murder statute to this 18 1989 crime they were literally arguing the difference of a year yeah shut up
01:14:23
the error was harmless Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and it had no effect on the outcome of the case so after hearing
01:14:29
arguments from both sides the appeals court sided with the prosecution and rejected all of bass's arguments thus
01:14:36
upholding his conviction so Ro inhale Tim bass rot and hail rot and hail rought in every [ __ ] level of hell
01:14:46
that there possibly could be indeed and that's it that's that's the end of Tim bass forever wow [ __ ] hate him with
01:14:55
every fiber what a disgusting piece of [ __ ] it's like I hate all of the people
01:15:00
that we cover that murder people cuz they're horrible people this one in particular I was like are you kidding me
01:15:09
the fact that he was trying to still like bech her reputation after he had brutally raped and murdered her 30 years
01:15:19
earlier after Thanksgiving and he's still trying to be like H let's let's you know let's paint as this loose woman
01:15:26
and maybe we can blame it on my dead Dad yeah and you know what my dad's dead he
01:15:30
can't say anything about it so why don't we blame it on him it's like you have no
01:15:34
[ __ ] bottom do you like you have no [ __ ] bottom no the lowest of the low like the [ __ ] that that like that man
01:15:42
that thing will hit the [ __ ] magma in the center of the earth and he will still continue to go lower listen to you
01:15:50
disgusting you are really good at insults thank you sometimes I get so angry that can't insult that thaten to
01:15:56
me too a lot and I'm just like you're FR and I'm like you're a froggy [ __ ] like first thing that will
01:16:03
come out yeah I feel that but [ __ ] that guy [ __ ] that guy I'm so glad he's in
01:16:07
jail me too after he had 30 years to [ __ ] sit with himself and know what he did and he was perfectly fine doing
01:16:16
it yeah rot R bro inhale oh and you know what Mandy deserved to [ __ ] light the
01:16:25
world on fire and she seemed like she was on her damn way to do and it it's [ __ ] shame that she wasn't allowed to
01:16:32
this world we didn't deserve world is less this world is absolutely less so that's
01:16:40
sucks it does but I'm really glad that her family at least got a little bit of Justice out of it I do too yeah and just
01:16:48
like everything that they had gone through I hope that that was you know like I hope they didn't have to go I
01:16:55
hope they're not ever going through any more tragedy on top they already dealt with but positivity from here on out me
01:17:02
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