00:00:00
hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] yay it's um a cult Edition ooh yeah fun
00:00:36
I'm just gonna hit a cult this is like kind of a cult it's like they consider themselves a cult but they're kind of
00:00:43
like cults they're not even called light because they're pretty cult heavy but like I
00:00:48
don't know you'll get it when you you'll get it when you get it at first I thought you said they're not even
00:00:52
cult-like because they're pretty cult heavy and I was like wouldn't that make them culty then no they're not called
00:00:58
light light like I wouldn't call them like yeah I wouldn't even call them off-brand cult it's like
00:01:03
they're just like a cult that has aspartame in it oh so their diet yeah like Diet cult like it tastes really
00:01:10
disgusting but it does a lot of damage I mean I like Diet Coke but Aspartame is really bad for you yo Brian I am trying
00:01:17
to drink aspartame if you don't know what I'm talking about you should so that's what they are their diet they're
00:01:24
like the diet soda of Cults where it's bad but it's like not the same as the regular but it's somehow worse for you
00:01:31
okay that's what they are all right that was a journey and we got there we got there you know it's been a week guys
00:01:36
it's been a week is anyone else dealing as like parents are you dealing with like tons of school viruses apparently
00:01:43
there's like a [ __ ] ton of them going around and we've managed to get away from a lot of them but they are weird
00:01:49
and like quick and yeah really just a big pain in the ass I'm really excited that the kids are almost done with
00:01:57
kindergarten for like a minute but then I'm like do summer camps have their own viruses too of course they do they're
00:02:03
probably worse but probably like mutants anytime you gather kids together it's just a petri dish stop Gathering yeah
00:02:09
kids together let's all just stop Gathering all together yeah let's just no we already did that yeah no we didn't
00:02:15
though that's yeah honestly that is the problem but you know what here we are talking about diet Cults how's everybody
00:02:22
feeling loopy we keep seeing everybody getting their merch that is pretty cool so exciting everybody looks gorge in
00:02:30
their merch I'm so happy and I'm so happy to hear that it's soft and because that was like our biggest thing where
00:02:36
like it needs to be soft do you want to feel it cozy comfy silky Silhouettes everywhere that's exactly what we're
00:02:45
looking for and you know what you guys are serving it up for us like back to us at least serving sultry silhouette yeah
00:02:52
surrealness realness are hissing so yeah it's this is going to be a really gnarly one just wanna well it is
00:03:01
you wanna be clear this is like not super old-timey but like for anybody I think my age it's gonna feel like oh
00:03:09
that was just 10 years ago because it's from 1991. I wasn't even alive but like it's so probably a little old time
00:03:16
everyone else just not as old-timey as I usually go so we're going to take you back to
00:03:21
September 25th 1991 and we are going to talk about the Kearney cult oh I know it's immediately you're like oh yeah I'm
00:03:31
scared I can see why it's worse for you than a regular cult it is see it's got its own
00:03:37
thing now the the guys involved in this whole thing are Jimmy Lee pennick Mark Goodwin and brothers Keith and David
00:03:46
Lawrence they were in a satanic cult they started the whole thing they claimed they were working off of Anton
00:03:53
lavey's Satanic Bible I think they were just [ __ ] but you know like I think you'll we'll all make a decision at the
00:04:00
end of this now Jimmy kind of there's always one that becomes kind of the de facto leader of these kind of things
00:04:05
yeah every cult needs a leader every cult needs a leader I don't even know if he was actually the co-leader but he
00:04:11
definitely got like he was the one that everybody kind of remembers from this um he was he was really the one who did
00:04:18
the most like dirty work too and he seemed to have a past of doing dirty work and doing bad things and hurting
00:04:26
people and straight up murder this is not his first rodeo that we're going to talk about oh yeah like this is not his
00:04:33
first rodeo and it's not his first ritual sacrifice okay yeah yeah but Mark Goodwin had been into this Satan [ __ ]
00:04:41
for a long time I think Jimmy was kind of just like joining it just as like whatever when he got older like into his
00:04:48
20s but Mark Goodwin he was the one that was into it since like Elementary School
00:04:54
damn yeah which is like pretty early to get into Satanism I would say I would say so I mean um yeah yeah you know I
00:05:00
just feel like okay like how did that occur but teachers and other students said he was super into it he was like
00:05:08
straight up at 12 years old like drawing inverted crosses on things what which to
00:05:13
me I'm pretty sure and like if you hear his background a little bit you can hear
00:05:17
he was into like metal music like Ozzy Osbourne and [ __ ] that was on CD covers
00:05:21
yeah so I don't think that was like really to be honest I don't think this that was an indicator of what he was
00:05:27
capable of later in life I think it was like he liked the music he saw the imagery that's probably what everybody's
00:05:33
like he was a Satanist when he was 12. yeah but then we have some some stuff that points to him actually being a
00:05:39
Satanist when he was younger such as like I said he was intrigued by like dark [ __ ] at a pretty young age but he
00:05:47
went bad with it like you know we can who gives a [ __ ] if somebody's into like
00:05:51
weird [ __ ] when they're young yeah I wanted to be a witch when I was little yeah like I was into really weird [ __ ]
00:05:57
when I was young I'm still into really weird [ __ ] I'm not gonna murder anybody
00:06:00
no and I haven't done it before so it's to let's you know I always try to I hate
00:06:06
when it's like put on that like he was into dark [ __ ] when he was younger so of
00:06:09
course this was gonna no one cares right like he was into metal and all the things that they tried to point to In
00:06:15
The West Memphis Three case like they wore black he did this but he was more interested not like you look at the West
00:06:22
Memphis Three case for example it's just like a really good example of the satanic Panic kind of thing oh yeah
00:06:27
which by the way quick side note anybody watching stranger things thank you for telling me that Eddie's character is
00:06:35
based off of Damien from from The West Memphis Three because holy [ __ ] I can't
00:06:39
watch it the same anymore like I'm I was already invested but now I'm like I love
00:06:43
teddy and I was like now I feel validated for loving Eddie I didn't realize that it's great everybody go
00:06:48
watch stranger things if you hadn't and to everybody who's been tagging me telling me about Eddie's character being
00:06:53
connected to that thank you because I had no idea and I am watching it in a whole different light now but yeah go
00:06:59
look at that so so yeah they kind of pointed I look at the West Memphis Three cases like those were kids that's sure
00:07:07
maybe they got in a little trouble and they're like tiny little you know Arkansas town where you get in trouble
00:07:12
for everything but they weren't like hurting people they weren't killing people they weren't sacrificing animals
00:07:17
they were wearing black and listening to metal right like that's all and they were into like horror movies and they
00:07:23
got pegged as like satanists but it seems like Mark Goodwin when he was younger he wasn't into all that kind
00:07:30
of side of it the music the horror movies the aesthetic all that stuff he really wanted to gain power over people
00:07:37
like he wanted Satan's power he wanted to sell his soul yeah like he was interested in the dark [ __ ] that like
00:07:43
the satanic Panic like tries to latch onto he was not into it for like aesthetic
00:07:49
um he had read a lot of books about satanic worship and he had formed his own like Meathead ideas that like ritual
00:07:55
sacrifices and murder were part of the whole thing and that that's what it takes to gain power and blah like
00:08:02
basically he's just stupid right and that's where he went with it so at 15 Goodwin formed his own cult called
00:08:10
Satan's disciples wow which first of all that wow you're 15. second of all that is the stupidest name for a
00:08:19
cult I have ever heard in my life it is so on the [ __ ] nose right like oh hey we're Satan's disciples I know if
00:08:29
Satan was in the room he'd be like that's what you came up with that's all you got right he'd be playing this
00:08:35
disciple like that's just dumb I was like come on like do yeah ready go cult name go oh [ __ ] okay hold on oh you put
00:08:43
me on the spot oh no okay oh that's a good one I like that I think that's a great hey guys we're
00:08:52
there it is that's our cult that is hilarious it explains exactly what we're all about and it's creative
00:08:59
and it's scary it is yeah I get it but yeah Satan's disciples no no thank you um so this little cult had it started
00:09:11
off with about six people between the ages of 12 he was 15 by the way weird between the ages of 12 and 35.
00:09:19
the [ __ ] yeah how did you know 35 year olds not sure why a 35 year old was hanging out with 12 year olds and 15
00:09:26
year olds no good reason I could tell you that much well and apparently they would meet and perform rituals and old
00:09:32
Barns and abandoned cemeteries and in forests anywhere that's spooky ookie and seems right on the nose for a Satan
00:09:38
missed call I want to know like what Satanic rituals are other than sacrifices like what are the other ones
00:09:44
yeah there has to be other ones here because you only hear about sacrifices but because that's just scary in what is
00:09:50
associated with it yeah I want to know what what other kinds there are I'm gonna look into that yeah there's a
00:09:55
there's probably a zillion other ones they probably don't really even do so to be quite honest right well like rituals
00:10:01
are probably not really part of it to be quite honest but I'm not sure it just seems very like it's it's all we talk
00:10:08
about this all the time that like you know every religion that like gets that like stereotype placed on them of
00:10:16
what people think that religion is and Satanism is no different yes and it's usually not right like not true
00:10:22
not correct it's just what is put out there in the media and you know popular culture whatever Satanism just happens
00:10:29
to have gotten like a real bad rap for like ever because just like what people think it is it's too many
00:10:37
generalizations it is we generalize too many things in general General see how meta that was we are
00:10:44
generalizing too much in general I feel like it's just like the world is generalizing people and things and ideas
00:10:50
generalizing is losing all meaning in my head in general it really is I won't get too far don't worry but
00:10:58
either way they're doing all these rituals Goodwin was obviously the leader and would act like the high priest of the
00:11:06
cult oh he was so fancy he loves his power and authority now the group would sacrifice animals for the rituals [ __ ]
00:11:13
off more than once a week according to this now for example in this trigger warning
00:11:19
for ash too to be quite honest I am going to talk I'm not going to go into detail don't worry but I'm just going to
00:11:27
mention an animal that was killed here so trigger warning okay for example one of the rituals
00:11:34
included killing a cat and then putting its blood into fancy goblets and they all drank it to summon demons to do
00:11:41
their bidding that's stupid and rude and [ __ ] up and also incredibly dangerous
00:11:46
I'm sure thank you all of the above yeah like get out of here and it's like I never understand this like we're trying
00:11:52
to summon demons to do our bidding maybe this is like me being a Capricorn or like me being my personality type
00:12:00
that like I have a control issue I'm not summoning anybody to do my [ __ ] for me
00:12:04
no you're not I could never hand over control to a demon for them to do what I need I'll get it done well and I want
00:12:12
something done do it yourself that's just too tricky because like you're not supposed to trust a demon no of course I
00:12:18
can't trust anybody no I don't even trust you I say it all the time you want something done you got to do it yourself
00:12:23
you want it done right I found that do it yourself I have found that I love DIY there you go
00:12:31
foreign from our sponsor betterhelp I feel like I've been hearing so much more about
00:12:41
burnout lately like I feel like everybody and everybody around me is just burned out I feel like everybody's
00:12:46
working too much nobody is taking enough time for their self like you're not making a nail appointment you're not
00:12:52
having a little spa day you're not reading a book and you're starting to feel like you're losing your mind and I
00:12:58
get it because life is so overwhelming people are burned out and you probably don't even know it but here's the thing
00:13:04
if you've got a lack of motivation if you're irritable if you're fatigued or anything like that you might be burned
00:13:11
out and you know you don't have to just be burned out from work any of the roles
00:13:15
in our life can lead us to be burned out like if you're a mom you're probably burned the F out if you're a dad you're
00:13:22
probably burned that though if you're a human you're just tired you're burned out but better help online therapy wants
00:13:28
to remind you to prioritize yourself and talking with somebody can help you figure figure out what is causing the
00:13:34
stress in your life I like you guys know I'm a big proponent of therapy I think just having some time to talk to
00:13:41
somebody about all the things that are going on in your life doesn't it makes it so that you don't feel so overwhelmed
00:13:47
all the time and you're actually letting that out because you wouldn't believe what happens when you start to bury
00:13:52
stuff and bury stuff and bury stuff eventually it's all going to come out and you're going to lose your dang mind
00:13:56
well better help is customized online therapy that offers video phone and even live chat sessions with your therapist
00:14:04
so you don't have to see anybody on camera if you don't want to it is much more affordable than in-person therapy
00:14:09
and you can be matched with a licensed therapist in under 48 Hours our listeners get 10 off their first month
00:14:15
at betterhelp.com morbid that's better h-e-l-p.com slash morbid but no they are stupid and they want you
00:14:28
know demons to come out and do [ __ ] for them which is just like okay now Goodwin
00:14:33
also said that members of The Cult were black robes because metal yeah uh but the women in the group were not allowed
00:14:41
to wear robes lame they had to wear black lingerie or had to be just naked [ __ ] right off with that that's what I'm
00:14:49
saying like Mark get the [ __ ] out of here we know exactly what you're doing Marky Mark of course we know which like
00:14:56
just like why would you do that like why would you sign up for that here's the thing if people want to be naked then
00:15:01
get it like be naked do whatever you want if that's your thing by all means go be naked I don't care but don't let a
00:15:07
dude tell you that you have to be but that should not be the dress code right that should not be a dress code
00:15:12
somewhere you decide if you want to be naked if you're cool with it you go that's also just not a dress code
00:15:18
because you're not dressed yeah that's a black lingerie yeah yeah now they later
00:15:24
said weirdly they had a lot of of trouble getting women to join the group I wonder why I can't imagine why
00:15:31
they were like yeah women are just like a little scarred of sadness um no I think we're just like done with being
00:15:37
objectified like bro I think it's you and your weird band of predators that scared them off and not the Satanism
00:15:43
part but like okay whatever you want to think sure anyways Goodwin said that there would always be a huge orgy and
00:15:52
everyone would dance around while the satanic chorus sang I believe it for sure I think all of
00:15:59
that happened absolutely for sure now Goodwin said that he actually left the satanic disciples at one point because
00:16:06
one of them suggested that they kill an innocent person and he was like No And they suggested a baby oh she's a ritual
00:16:14
and he wasn't down for that he literally said quote To Kill a Kid for a ritual that lasts maybe three hours and that
00:16:21
kid's life is gone for good that's pointless agreed yeah we all agree mark But you
00:16:28
said he had killed other people before you no that was Jimmy oh okay but Mark ends up being part of like a very bad
00:16:33
thing where someone dies and it's like Mark where was that energy in 1991. keep that where was that around you at all
00:16:42
times that you shouldn't kill people he's a conundrum no the the brothers Keith and David Lawrence are up next
00:16:47
I'll tell you about them Keith Lawrence was a Satanist for a while but his brother David who is three years older
00:16:53
than him was not at all David tried to say that that you know heavy metal was what brought Keith into Satanism that
00:17:00
was his whole thing because once again that's how the culture made me do it pop culture made me do it it's not me being
00:17:07
a shitty person uh but you know I'm gonna call [ __ ] on that apparently though Keith did take music very
00:17:13
seriously and really probably was influenced because of his own mind and mind and not the actual lyrics or music
00:17:21
of himself he just liked music so of course he was also big into reading tons of book about Satan tons of book just
00:17:28
tons of a book about Satan that you know the many book he read tons of books about Satanism and
00:17:35
he really dove headfirst into it once he started so he just got really interested
00:17:39
in it which would be fine if he just got interested in it wanted to learn about it wanted to do whatever but David said
00:17:47
that once Keith got really into this his personality changed drastically he said
00:17:52
he became a more hateful more aggressive person he said he hated everybody and everything around him and he would do
00:17:59
things like simply to get people upset he liked upsetting people he was actually so upset that David didn't want
00:18:05
to become a Satanist Keith was he was like why is my brother not a Satanist that one day during an argument about
00:18:12
this topic at hand he grabbed a kitchen knife and chased him around the kitchen with it that'll definitely make somebody
00:18:18
want to do what you want them to do I'm like what did you think he was like wow this seems great you know what on second
00:18:25
thought brother this has changed my mind you you seem like you're making very good choices so I'm gonna go ahead and
00:18:31
go with you in this yeah your threats have changed my my my mind so as you can see Keith is having some issues with the
00:18:38
whole Satanism thing his person I don't think it has anything to do with Satanism to be quite honest I think it
00:18:43
has to do with Keith being like a problem child because he was getting into trouble he was being an [ __ ]
00:18:49
he's chasing his brother around with a kitchen knife so he ends up being sent Away by his parents to a private school
00:18:54
okay and this private school was in Terre Haute he was supposed to be working on his anger issues just get his
00:19:01
behavior under control and David his brother did love his brother a lot even though he didn't understand the Satanism
00:19:08
thing and he had chased him around this [ __ ] kitchen with a kitchen knife he chalked it up to Sibling [ __ ] apparently
00:19:16
and it's wild and you know siblings I guess if you chased me around the kitchen with a knife it would be a while
00:19:24
before I talked to you again just FYI yeah I won't do that cool I can safely say I won't because it'll be a while
00:19:30
it'll be a while for me and you talk it'll it'll be a few days before I speak to you again we have a whole job to do
00:19:37
together we do we have a whole last job today don't don't do that okay well David loved his brother and he did spend
00:19:44
up like when he came back from school he spent a lot of time with him he didn't stop hanging out with him when he was
00:19:49
probably trying to make sure too that he could kind of keep him on a good path yeah like keep him on the straight and
00:19:53
narrow and he was quoted as saying that he hung around with Keith that and this is like both funny and sad the way he
00:20:00
quotes this oh no um he said he hung around with Keith the most because he was the only member of his family to
00:20:05
treat him with respect David said that but then he was quoted as saying quote a satanic brother is all I had oh man you
00:20:13
know what life does get Bleak within family systems sometimes and you know but some people have nobody so at least
00:20:21
you did have a satanic brother it's like I would I want him to have a shirt that says like I was born into
00:20:25
this family and all I got was this lousy satanic brother I love it I'm with stupid
00:20:31
a satanic brother is all I had I'm with satanic brother I have a satanic brother
00:20:36
that's all I got so Keith and David met Mark Goodwin when they yeah they came into each other's lives they bonded they
00:20:45
ended up working together so that's how they met okay um and they immediately bonded over Satanism and Keith and
00:20:51
Goodwin actually because remember Keith is the brother that's bonding over Satanism
00:20:56
David just kind of goes along with his brother he's like trying to support it yeah but Keith and Goodwin signed a
00:21:02
blood a blood pact that they believe we're going to bring them power and they said quote if we're gonna do
00:21:08
this let's do it to the full extent and sign with our souls that's what they recorded saying later of like that's why
00:21:14
we did it okay they would do seances and rituals and all other manner of hokey [ __ ] that they believed was part of this
00:21:21
whole thing I just love that they're like let's if we're gonna do it let's do it right let's sign with our souls man
00:21:26
and I'm like are you supposed to have one yeah like with the way that you're looking at this I don't feel like you
00:21:32
guys do have one yeah because I feel like with the way they're looking at it is so hokey and like so just like
00:21:38
fictional that I feel like they would be the ones to be like we're not supposed to have souls man give our souls to
00:21:44
Satan but like apparently but apparently they had them and then they signed with their souls so that's
00:21:52
why they are like Blood Brothers now it's really a lot and I also wonder like did this happen in front of David was
00:21:59
David just standing there being like cool guys yeah good luck I guess I wonder how he felt about this whole
00:22:06
probably wasn't psyched so now the Lawrence brothers and Goodwin are both at odds with their own respective
00:22:13
families because they're getting worse and worse like they're not being they're not being good boys okay and they're
00:22:19
having a lot of problems with their parents and their families they're not keeping it in check yeah and they just
00:22:24
want to keep worshiping the devil but they need they need to get like more steady jobs because they were just
00:22:29
taking like jobs every which way because you know the devil may be totally giving
00:22:33
them all the power in the universe and [ __ ] but he's not going to spot them at
00:22:37
20 for rent so no they decided to get jobs together with this traveling Carnival company
00:22:44
I was waiting for the carnival element the carnival got to come in yeah because you know at this point they're like we
00:22:50
want to we want to keep worshiping but like we also need to buy food and pay rent so like we let's do this together
00:22:57
what is the creepiest job we could all take together Carnival it is they really nailed it
00:23:03
they really looked for that so while doing this they decided they wanted to start a brand new cult because
00:23:09
Cults okay so they recruited Jimmy Lee pennick in Brownstown because he was working the carnival circuit so this is
00:23:17
just a bunch of carnies ready to stamp some pentagrams on their heads and have an orgy for Satan Carney Cole because
00:23:24
they met him obviously like these Carnival circuits like they travel obviously and people will travel with
00:23:29
them because certain seasons and different places are Carnival season you know a carnival season up north is going
00:23:36
to be summer but then you could go down south in the winter and that's still Carnival season down there so it's
00:23:42
always Carnival it's always five o'clock somewhere and it's always party season somewhere you're like really selling it
00:23:49
you're like just so you know you could go to a carnival anytime you want just go to the right geographical location
00:23:55
okay okay like I feel like I you know how people have those like tiki bars and it's like Zoe's five o'clock somewhere
00:24:02
there's only one part of a creepy ass bar that just says it's always Carnival season somewhere please do that I'm
00:24:10
gonna commission that for you you should make a t-shirt that says that you were just like hello hello hello
00:24:17
t-shirt people are you listening people uh so yeah you know just a bunch of carnies got together and they were like
00:24:24
Satan yeah okay cult time so during all of this they're working at the carnival worshiping Satan and all of this is when
00:24:33
they met William Anthony alt so many boys have been here well in poor William alts he and they called him Tony I
00:24:41
should say that's what he was known as because his middle name was Anthony thank you
00:24:47
now Tony was a good guy really yeah okay and Tony is unfortunately our victim here oh no Tony
00:24:56
was only 21 at the time he was interested in Satanism he was looking for dudes to hang out with he was kind
00:25:04
of like marching to the beat of his own drum he just wanted like Bros to do that
00:25:07
with so his name was William Anthony Tony alt like I said he was born July 2nd 1970 in a small town in the small
00:25:16
town of Rochester Indiana he's a cancer there you go so is what does that mean like a sweet soul Who's like it makes
00:25:24
sense in touch with their emotions and just like cancers are like very ethereal oh you know mom's a cancer oh there you
00:25:33
go yeah like just picture him off all right so there you go Tony I get it and Tony he just feels like he was like a a
00:25:40
guy who just like needed he just needed like the right group yeah to take him in
00:25:45
you know his parents were Shirley and Gerald they divorced at one point but um the mother Shirley had remarried
00:25:54
Robert alt and that's where he took his last name he had a sister Angela and a brother Charles he was into like weird
00:26:01
[ __ ] he was just like into the occult he was interested in it he really I think
00:26:05
it was just one of those things where it's like you know this is almost like it probably to him looked at first like
00:26:13
you know like just like something like D and D something that people they're into
00:26:16
they get together they do it yeah it's something that bonds them together it's a built-in group of friends you're all
00:26:22
interested in weird dark [ __ ] but then he he did start seeing that it was like
00:26:27
a little more than that but I don't think he fully understood now he had started working for the poor
00:26:33
the poor John's Carnival company which is the one that they all found themselves working for at one point okay
00:26:39
because again it's always Carnival season somewhere so they were they were moving around to a bunch of them but
00:26:44
they ended up at this one so he met them in September of 1991. on DeKalb County fairgrounds and again he was only 21
00:26:53
years old a baby a baby so he expressed to them he heard them talking he like kind of got to know them
00:26:59
a little bit and he expressed to them that he was like you know I would like to join your cult
00:27:04
sounds kind of fun he was very interested in this stuff and also again he was like I really just want some
00:27:10
friends to hang with so like can I join yeah and you know we all want that of course we all want that but for some
00:27:16
reason they were not interested in him becoming part of the cult really which is weird do they have a reason they
00:27:22
didn't really give a reason huh and later what's even more frustrating is these [ __ ] talk about Tony and they
00:27:30
say that like he was a really nice guy and he didn't deserve any of it are you kidding me literally talk about him like
00:27:35
yeah you know what he's like a really great guy and like we shouldn't have done what we did so it's like they admit
00:27:41
that this is like a really good guy and I do wonder if the initially they were like yeah you don't belong because
00:27:48
you're actually a like good person and we're shitty people okay you we don't want you here because we don't want to
00:27:53
hang out with a good person I wonder if that's part of it they could tell he was
00:27:57
a good person probably so in September again he's like he's like I want to join your call they're like no no and he's
00:28:04
like come on like I want I want to join your call yeah like just let me join in September he approaches them and tells
00:28:10
them you know I want to be part of everything they keep telling him no and the thing is
00:28:15
he finally was like well listen uh I know something I know something pretty big okay he knew
00:28:22
something that could take these [ __ ] down oh uh-oh and he decided this was his end to the Cults
00:28:29
which is not great so somehow he knew that in August of that same year an 18 year old guy named Andrew Lee Wright was
00:28:38
murdered in Ohio by having his throat slit Jesus he was murdered in an Ohio field and his body was dumped on the
00:28:45
turnpike he was also a carnival worker this guy apparently Andrew had been killed because he had been speaking
00:28:53
about Panic committing another crime in Ohio before that oh well he also knew that this is what Tony knew Tony was
00:29:03
like I know that someone by the name of Keith Lawrence and someone by the name of Jimmy Penick
00:29:09
are responsible for this murder of Andrew Lee Wright yeah oh we don't need you to know so now
00:29:17
he knows he has something on them and he's trying to use it as blackmail for them to let him into his their group
00:29:23
okay this is a bad plan from all sides unfortunately like any way you turn this puzzle
00:29:30
that it's not gonna it's not gonna work it's wrong wrong answers everywhere like
00:29:35
it's not because if you know that somebody has something to do with a murder don't go to that person about it
00:29:40
go to the police about it exactly and like yeah because it's like he seems like he was desperate he seems
00:29:48
like he desperately just wanted to be in a group I don't know who knows if he truly believed that this was true that
00:29:56
he had done it that's the other maybe he thinks that it's a rumor but he's like I'm gonna use this because why not right
00:30:01
there's no way that Tony could have known that him doing this was gonna cause anything of what happened of
00:30:08
course not but it's like Just for future ref when this kind of thing is never a good
00:30:14
way to get somebody to to let you into a group or to like you don't want to hang
00:30:18
out with these people no you don't and I don't think Tony truly wanted to either
00:30:22
I think he just wanted a group and he didn't know how bad these guys were I really don't
00:30:26
so of course at first they're like fine you can be part of the group but there's
00:30:31
like a huge initiation process and there's a ritual in this probably you know some like orgy involved and you
00:30:40
have to make sure you don't tell anyone about this okay because shit's about to get real so don't tell anyone that you
00:30:46
are becoming part of this cult don't even tell people that this cult exists that's the only way that you're ever
00:30:51
going to become one of us and he was like okay he's like that's easy yeah he's like I don't want to talk about it
00:30:55
anyway so September 25th 1991 they asked a friend of the cult which is like a friend of the Pod but really scary I
00:31:04
would assume because like literally it's like friend of the cult um This Woman's name was Brenda Ferguson
00:31:09
to help them with this whole thing of course they didn't really tell her what they were doing that's the thing
00:31:14
they weren't like hey Brenda we want to do something terrible to this guy can you help us out they said that they were
00:31:20
initiating Tony into their satanic church and that they needed her help to scope out a really good secluded place
00:31:26
that has like satanic Vibes but also might be really good for a picture after you know flanking the new initiate like
00:31:34
a graduation photo okay so it had to be a mix of broken down cemetery and picturesque View
00:31:43
you know yeah like that's what they were looking for not an easy task beautifully
00:31:47
said but you know what who better than Brenda to do this I trust Brenda who doesn't so they everybody can trust a
00:31:53
Brenda so the carnival is shutting down for the day all the rides are over the lights are slowly turning off the creeps
00:32:00
are slinking out of their booths to do all manner of dark [ __ ] I'm totally kidding they were probably
00:32:04
just completely normal people who are just going home after A Hard Day's Work yeah they're definitely just going home
00:32:09
for a beer yeah that's all what we just pictured but like in reality they were all just like wow great great job
00:32:15
everybody see you tomorrow yeah now except for these [ __ ] these were the ones slink enough to do some bad [ __ ] so
00:32:21
now everything's over they work their hard day Brenda picks them all up in her car she picks up Jimmy Mark Keith David
00:32:28
and Tony so Brenda had found the perfect place she had done her job it was the secluded
00:32:34
Farm outside of Auburn um Auburn farms and farms are perfect for a ritual oh of course they're all
00:32:43
like this is what we need they're spooky but you know they're necessary they can
00:32:48
they can be picturesque they've got everything and they're super secluded usually that's the thing and I feel bad
00:32:54
because Brenda did a good job with the location if it was what they were planning on doing which was some like
00:33:00
spooky Yuki ritual not involving any kind of sacrifice or anything like she'd done she'd found a great location for
00:33:05
that and I feel bad because I think she thought that she was just setting them up for a really great ritual that
00:33:11
evening and then so she just left and dropped them off thought nothing of it and they all said she didn't no they
00:33:17
didn't tell her anything they told her initiating Tony they've done something terrible so
00:33:24
so they get in there and they have Tony lie down on the door that they have makeshifted into a satanic altar once he
00:33:32
lay on the door slash altar they tied him up and they gab get they gagged him with a towel it like bothers me I'm like
00:33:39
at what point did he realize I know like I thought about it and I was like did you realize like as soon as it start
00:33:47
like when they tie you up you have to realize something is awry or at least just be like like start to get nervous
00:33:53
and it's like he I'm sure he tried to get away it's just like really sad it's heartbreaking
00:33:58
so it begins with Keith reading some kind of satanic spell or prayer who knows like these [ __ ] probably just
00:34:05
made this [ __ ] up of course so this is happening and everything just kind of seems weird but not yet completely
00:34:11
violent it's just weird and then Jimmy just whips out Keith's knife and slices from Tony's neck to his groin oh my
00:34:21
goodness and we are talking a deep cut like close to the y-shaped incision that you prepare an autopsy with right yeah
00:34:29
that takes force of course trust me that takes Force so now that they have sliced
00:34:36
he he's basically been sliced open he's been eviscerated at this point good one in the Lawrence brothers just
00:34:43
start putting inverted crosses like cutting them into his upper torso and abdomen they also just slice into him
00:34:51
like all over the place and he's alive for all of this he was still alive so now he is lying here bound and gagged
00:35:00
and bleeding and sliced open and Jimmy Panic leans down into his face and asks Tony if he is ready to die
00:35:08
what Tony answered and Jimmy's response was to slice open his throat oh and he said he answered me but I don't
00:35:20
think he ever said what the answer was but he said I'm assuming it was no this all just happened so quick it happened
00:35:27
so fast and the fact that he was saying he answered me is like he was alive for all of that yeah until the very end and
00:35:34
it's just like you think of Tony on his way and he's probably just excited to be
00:35:38
a part of something yeah and obviously had no idea that this was gonna happen it's just like thinking of him driving
00:35:44
out there that night ruins you yeah because it's just he had no one could ever conceive of this happening Never No
00:35:52
One never and that's why I truly believe that Tony didn't think that that maybe thought those rumors of you know Keith
00:36:00
and uh Jimmy being murderers was were just like rumors because they were in a satanic cult and all that right I truly
00:36:08
believe he probably didn't know exactly what he was getting into I agree with you I really believe that and which
00:36:13
makes it even sadder because I think he just wanted a group to hang with right and it really does break my heart
00:36:19
now they weren't done after they've slid open his throat and are satisfied that he is dead Goodwin Keith
00:36:28
Lawrence and Jimmy all help each other cut off Tony's head yeah and they dismember him why they cut
00:36:37
off his hands and then they attempted to burn the dismembered pieces of his body
00:36:42
they took all the remains after this and they buried them in a shallow grave in a
00:36:46
nearby fields that was like near the site of the murder then they just call Brenda and had her pick them up
00:36:55
and here I'm wondering about what Brenda thought about them being minus one member here right because it was Tony
00:37:02
original like did Tony go out there with them yeah Tony was out there with them so so here's the thing I don't know
00:37:10
about Brenda I don't know what and that's why I'm not gonna sit here and like pretend to know about Brenda or
00:37:15
what she knew or what not I know that they claim that they didn't tell her anything and I know that she was really
00:37:23
not brought into this after this but I'm still like Brenda did you ask where Tony was I mean I would ask maybe
00:37:30
am I detail-oriented I don't know if I would just be like well I came here with this many of you and now there's
00:37:36
one less of you one you would think that she'd be like oh is Tony coming like does he need her that's the thing I'd be
00:37:41
like where's Tony like they need a ride that's what that would matter what I would ask yeah that's the thing like I
00:37:46
intentionally chose a secluded area for you like where is he but I guess just playing Devil's Advocate and no pun
00:37:52
intended um maybe she did ask and maybe they gave some kind of answer like it's part of
00:37:57
the initiation he has to walk home he has to like find him so his way home it's true that's why I don't want to
00:38:02
like say either way with Brenda I obviously it makes you question but you have no idea and I don't wanna who knows
00:38:09
who Brenda is now either way they stopped at an Arby's food kidding me that is always just like so incredibly
00:38:20
disturbing when they carry out such a heinous act and then go get a burger yeah now how did they pay for this
00:38:26
Arby's by the way oh I'm sure you're gonna they didn't pay for it with their money they took money from Tony's
00:38:33
Pockets before they burned his dismembered corpse in a field nearby I don't understand how people can do
00:38:40
this to other people they stole money out of his pocket while they buried his dismembered corpse nearby the place
00:38:47
where they murdered him in a Satanic ritual torture I just don't that's like I just said I just don't get it it's
00:38:52
like how do you not think of your brother or your sister or your dad or like that like your cousin right like
00:38:59
there are people exactly and how do you not think how do you not put yourself in
00:39:03
a place of empathy and like think how you would feel if this happened to your family exactly or how your family would
00:39:09
feel if this happened to you like I just don't understand the lack of empathy that people have I don't either that's
00:39:15
the thing it's like that that's what kills me these are people love these people right and like I feel like every
00:39:21
decision I make I think about how it's gonna affect the people around me and me yeah and it's like does everybody get it
00:39:27
right all the time no of course not but but these kind of people don't even consider it it's not even a fleeting
00:39:33
thought in their mind what these yeah these people are who they could be hurting and these choices are just like
00:39:40
I mean these are Beyond like that's the thing like you don't get these right or wrong you just know that murdering
00:39:44
somebody is wrong it's and this is like torture absolutely torture now what's crazy too is they just kept working the
00:39:52
carnival because nobody was not nothing happened and actually ended up driving down to
00:39:57
Florida at one point to get Winter Carnival jobs because remember the carnival is in season everywhere and
00:40:03
they did so in Keith's van which he called rigor mortis that's so [ __ ] lame you guys are the lamest yeah like
00:40:11
the lamest [ __ ] they returned home at the end of the year and luckily by December people at
00:40:18
Art there was Rumblings about what happened to Tony he was missing people were already saying you know I he hung
00:40:25
around these guys with these guys we know about these guys the other thing is and like I'm glad
00:40:31
that they're I'm not glad that they're stupid but it's just like oh I know you already knew that Tony was on to you so
00:40:38
did you not think that those rumors were circulating and then you're gonna do this to Tony that's only gonna add fuel
00:40:44
to the fire and then people are gonna come in hot on your tail like how did you not think of that like did you think
00:40:49
a demon was gonna come and save you like from all of this [ __ ] you idiots foreign
00:40:56
[Music] I am healthy and I feel great and I think a lot of that is because of liquid
00:41:06
IV and the fact that I'm prioritizing my health and wellness because sometimes you push your body too hard or you just
00:41:13
feel run down but that's the thing when you're feeling like that it's so important to stay hydrated because
00:41:18
making hydration a priority helps you feel better on a daily basis when I put my health and my Wellness first I
00:41:25
literally said let me put that hand in hand with liquid IV because that makes me feel like a million bucks and the
00:41:31
reason it makes me feel like a million gajillion bucks is because one stick of liquid IV hydration multiplier and a 16
00:41:38
ounces of water hydrates you two times faster and more efficiently than water alone and it comes with delish flavors
00:41:46
there's watermelon there's strawberry there's pina colada there's even acai berry flavor
00:41:51
literally I've tried every single flavor and I haven't even gone wrong with one of them if you have listened to this ad
00:41:57
before you know that I love the caramel apple flavor I think I'm not sure if it's like seasonal but I absolutely love
00:42:02
it and I got so much of it that I have it all year round it's delicious I um actually went out
00:42:09
for my birthday last night and I had one drink more than I should have which is for me two drinks and I was feeling a
00:42:16
little yucky so as soon as I got home I was like I don't want to feel like crap tomorrow I'm gonna have a liquid IV I
00:42:21
woke up like a couple hours later and I was like oh my gosh I feel great and then I went right back to sleep but
00:42:26
here's the thing liquid ID contains five essential vitamins B3 B5 B6 B12 and vitamin C it's made with premium
00:42:34
ingredients with three times the electrolytes of traditional sports drinks and it has no GMOs it's free from
00:42:41
gluten dairy and soy and the thing that makes it so effective in case you're wondering that's the science of cellular
00:42:48
transport technology which is designed to enhance rapid absorption of water and other key ingredients into the
00:42:55
bloodstream now all of that is wonderful but what's even better is that liquid IV
00:43:00
is on a mission to change the world which I highly respect liquid IV has donated over 20 million servings
00:43:06
globally so grab liquid IV in bulk nationwide at Costco or you can get 25 off when you go to liquid iv.com and use
00:43:15
code morbid at checkout that is 25 off of anything you order when you use promo code morbid at liquid iv.com experience
00:43:24
better hydration today at liquid iv.com promo code morbid so yeah but by on December 12th Keith
00:43:35
Goodwin's own dad called police and told them that he had something to say that's
00:43:41
a good dad right there he told them his son had described to him that he witnessed a murder that was part of a
00:43:46
ritual satanic sacrifice oh my God that poor man too I'd be having to do that that's my son that's what he did really
00:43:52
great and having to call the police and be like you need to come arrest my child
00:43:57
that I can't imagine the internal struggle that you would go through oh well they were immediately arrested good
00:44:04
now Tony's body was discovered the next day December 13 1991 when deer hunters in the area stumbled upon the Loosely
00:44:12
buried body they also found the burnt remains of a hand and a head now Goodwin was charged with conspiracy
00:44:20
to commit murder Jimmy Penick was charged with aggravated murder he basically just admitted the entire thing
00:44:26
outright he was like yep I did it Goodwin admitted that he had witnessed the entire thing and had lightly
00:44:33
participated you don't lightly participate in Murder you [ __ ] face you participate or you don't you
00:44:39
participated and by the way being there is participating oh yeah whether you're picking anything up and doing it
00:44:45
yourself you're participating in a murder because you're not acting you are stopping exactly you are fully part of
00:44:51
that yup and it's like and and you did nothing afterwards to to alert anybody then you are fully part of like Tony's
00:44:58
body just was out there rotting for months because you didn't tell anybody consider yourself a murderer yeah you
00:45:03
piece of [ __ ] now the Lawrence brothers were actually vacationing in the Bahamas
00:45:07
at the time so they were busy I don't even know what I could possibly say about that but they came back on
00:45:15
January 10th and when their plane landed in Miami they were quickly extradited immediately back to Indiana and were
00:45:21
charged with aiding in a murder good I'm so mad that it wasn't on the way to them
00:45:25
right I know they actually got to have a last vacation that makes me so angry now
00:45:29
during the trial they admitted that Keith had actually tried to cut Tony's heart out what yeah that came out so
00:45:36
Keith being like I lightly participated yeah police not a ton like he did not or that wasn't even him
00:45:42
it was Goodwin who said that he lightly participated but Keith one of the brothers he's he just comes home from
00:45:47
the Bahamas and it's like what I don't yeah I didn't do anything and they're like no he actually tried to cut his
00:45:52
heart out but like good try now Goodwin and David Lawrence decided that they were going to find religion in jail
00:46:00
because they think it helps and David Lawrence actually said if he went to prison that Jesus would just
00:46:07
freeze his soul because no man can lock that down yeah spoiler alert that doesn't happen so and
00:46:17
he said though that he regretted the whole thing because quote that boy Tony had the right to live yeah he did and
00:46:23
you took it from him yeah they all say that a lot like a lot of them are like he had a right to live and I'm like then
00:46:29
why'd you take it from him what is wrong with all of you and Mark Goodwin actually apologized to Shirley Tony's
00:46:35
mother but she said get [ __ ] good he said to her Mrs Givens I never really knew your son whatever I know I do know
00:46:45
he was a good-hearted person I am very ashamed of what I did to your son and she actually yelled at him you damn well
00:46:52
should be what chance does he have now what am I supposed to feel sorry for you you never should have done it exactly
00:46:59
it's like yeah [ __ ] off like oh I love that because I always sorry after the fact is always like okay but you were
00:47:07
sorry you wouldn't have done it and it's like that kind of thing sorry after I murdered your child and uh do you think
00:47:14
that's going to help in any way shape or form how do you think that's going to help the sorry and then what business do
00:47:19
you have saying that you didn't even know my son but what you do know of him is that he's a good person so you didn't
00:47:24
know him but you took his life yeah okay like very cool the little you knew about
00:47:29
him was that he was a great person right and that's just and that's all you knew
00:47:34
and you still decided to do this so exciting insult to injury it truly is David also said that he blamed his
00:47:40
brother Keith completely okay and he regretted hanging out with him so much and he said even if he had gotten out of
00:47:47
this whole thing he would have never spoken to him again Jimmy Penick was 25 at the time and he
00:47:53
ended up getting 60 years in prison good he pled guilty to avoid trial and possibly the death penalty now he had a
00:48:01
lot of like aggravating factors in his sentencing that were very interesting to read and I just want to tell you a
00:48:06
couple an aggravating factor in his sentencing was the fact that he had done it before yeah because now they know
00:48:13
that he had done it before was he convicted of that murder he did do that so in the court transcript it says quote
00:48:19
this was the second time that defendant Jimmy Lee pennick would has murdered someone because previously in August of
00:48:25
1991 he murdered a man in Fulton County Idaho cutting also cutting his throat with a knife so it was also the same
00:48:32
exact way that he murdered Tony how did he get away with that I don't know that's what's so crazy and it says also
00:48:38
considered for his sentence was the heinous nature of this crime yeah in the court documents as well it stated that
00:48:44
if his sentence was reduced in any way it would quote depreciate from the seriousness of all of this most serious
00:48:52
classification of crimes in Indiana perhaps the most heinous crime ever committed in DeKalb County Indiana
00:48:59
they said that quote the death of the victim at the hands of the defendant Jimmy Lee pennick was painful and
00:49:05
torturous to the victim and that quote later on the day the murder later on in the day of the murder of defendant Jimmy
00:49:12
Lee pennick knowingly ate food purchased with money stolen from the deceased victim and then they reference also the
00:49:18
planning of it like they obviously had planned this out completely in the complete lack of remorse that was also
00:49:24
considered good now penix team argued quote Panic does concede that the victim suffered
00:49:30
some pain some we're here to argue the amount of pain I inflicted on this individual and
00:49:37
he's also like okay I can seed that I guess he suffered some pain but argues that virtually all murders involve pain
00:49:44
or torture so this is not an element particular to the facts of this case case which can be used to justify
00:49:51
imposition of enhanced or consecutive sentences you're kidding me the amount of pain that he inflicted on his victim
00:49:58
Through Torture should not be taken into account when it comes to sentencing like
00:50:04
a big sentence or consecutive sentences is what they're saying tell me that the job because all murder hurts right tell
00:50:10
me the judge flipped him off absolutely and did not consider that yes the so the
00:50:16
court found that infliction of grave injury and pain over an extended period of time is sufficient to support an
00:50:22
aggravating Factor now what's interesting about this remember we're involving torture here like pain and
00:50:29
torture they used a precedent for this and this precedent was Loveless versus the state 1994. this is precedence set
00:50:38
in the case of chandel shares horrific torture and murder in 1994. now Melinda Loveless is the defendant
00:50:46
stated there that's really interesting to me I was like holy [ __ ] that is wild
00:50:50
because remember this trial happened like after the chandashara case happened right right so Panic like because the
00:50:56
trial happened like way later than the murders of course now Penny says quote and this is what the court said quote
00:51:02
panic's own words describe how the victim's chest and abdomen were cut open how Goodwin tried to cut out the
00:51:09
victim's heart before he died and how the victim remained conscious throughout this and responded to questions from the
00:51:16
defendant only after defendants slit the victim's neck did the torture end there's sufficient evidence on the
00:51:23
record to support this aggravator so they were like your own [ __ ] defendant like sealed his fate there
00:51:30
right he told us everything so what are you trying to do now they also tried to get rid of the aggravating factor that
00:51:37
used the dismemberment and concealment of the body panic's team argued that dismemberment and concealment and are
00:51:44
basically the same thing they're both done for the same purpose to conceal okay yeah but the court was like
00:51:52
no you idiots they said quote furthermore we do not believe that these are the same factors although removing
00:51:59
and burning the hands may have been done to conceal the identity of the victim and get ready removal of the head had
00:52:06
nothing to do with this defendant himself stated that the head was removed in order for Keith Lawrence to give the
00:52:13
skull to a friend no yes found that buried in a court transcript it was never repeated in any
00:52:21
newspaper what that he's his team is trying to sit there and be like well they dismembered
00:52:27
the body to conceal the identity of the body so you can't have two aggravating factors one for concealment of the body
00:52:33
and one for dismemberment because we're arguing that they were done for the same
00:52:37
reason okay and they're like cool we can do that on the hands if you really want
00:52:40
but the head [ __ ] Jimmy Penick literally told the court it is on record that they took
00:52:47
Tony's head off so Keith Lawrence could give the [ __ ] skull to a friend that's beyond that is so beyond any kind
00:52:56
of words that I can ever conjure right now like I'm like and you are sitting and for his defense
00:53:04
team to be sitting here trying I'm like Honeys hang up the towel yeah hang up the towel I what are you doing
00:53:12
how can you try to argue that when you know full well that that's already been said truly Wild
00:53:19
Now Keith at the time was 20 years old he got 50 years in prison with 20 suspended years for conspiracy to commit
00:53:26
murder he actually got out of prison in 2004 and he had 20 years probation knocked on there and in 2006 he went
00:53:36
back to jail for 180 days for public intoxication and then apparently was being held on bond for charges of
00:53:43
criminal confinement and captivity put him back and could not find any other thing about it I was like what the
00:53:51
hell is going on let him in prison leave him in prison he hasn't changed and he was being held like without like you
00:53:57
could like with no bail yeah which they were like obviously they're doing that because of his previous [ __ ] right now
00:54:02
David he got he was 23 years old at the time he was a little older than Keith remember and he pled guilty to assisting
00:54:09
a crime and he got eight years in prison now Mark Goodwin pled guilty to assisting a criminal and Battery by
00:54:16
means of a deadly weapon and he got eight years that's [ __ ] thank you both of those sentences thank you so
00:54:23
[ __ ] and insulting very insulting like Tony's Family can you imagine I would have been here's outrage eight
00:54:31
years and when he was in jail when Mark Goodwin was in jail he also found religion and said everyone should be
00:54:38
careful of the lore of Satanism and literally said quote look at William alt he was a Satanist and he didn't make it
00:54:45
because you killed him because you murdered him it had nothing to do with him being a Satanist you
00:54:51
murdered him because you're a murderer because you're a torturer I feel like he said that to be a dick he's it's
00:54:57
outrageous like why else would you say that yeah you know why he didn't make it it had nothing to do with him being a
00:55:03
Satanist it had everything to do with him meeting your stupid ass and then he admitted his own fault in the other
00:55:08
murder that started this entire thing he said quote I regret it because that boy
00:55:13
had the right to live so did Andrew their families put time love and money into those guys and now there's no more
00:55:20
of them because of you thank you what like I like you're just saying that is is oh
00:55:31
okay that would cool but that's your [ __ ] fault dude and I also love that they it shows you exactly that statement
00:55:39
to me is like very um very much encompassing Mark Goodwin and all these guys is like him being
00:55:45
like you know yeah it's a real bummer because their family put like a ton of Love time money into them and like now
00:55:51
they're not here anymore it's like do you think that's why people put like a lot of people love people and care about
00:55:57
people they put time love and money into them and then once they're gone like [ __ ] I did all that for nothing like
00:56:02
that's not how that I think that's how human emotions work which just shows us that you don't that's the thing an
00:56:08
understanding of them because it's like no Tony's family just loved him right it's and Andrew's family loved him it
00:56:14
has nothing to do with I put time money and all this into someone and now they got murdered and that's annoying to me
00:56:19
no it's that they cared about them it's that they are not here anymore to love to talk to to joke with to do anything
00:56:29
it's so crazy that they're just like oh yeah they just you know the family put all this [ __ ] into them and now they
00:56:34
don't for nothing that just shows that tells you everything you need to know about it really how he considers his
00:56:40
personal relationship exactly and probably why he was able to do something like this yeah it's insane to me
00:56:48
so that is the tale of the Kearney Cults wow that was really really gut-wrenching yeah I just the fact that
00:56:59
Tony just wanted to be a part of something that's what killed it probably went out there so like I said so excited
00:57:04
and this is what happened exactly and his poor family having to sit through this trial and listen to these guys say
00:57:10
like yeah I didn't even know your son but I heard he was great sorry for killing him my bad for those families to
00:57:17
have to deal with that I yeah I don't even know how you would go about the rest of your life it's so flippant and
00:57:22
it's that's it that is the perfect word for it it's so flipping and it's just acting like
00:57:27
like murder is just like oops sorry that I ran over a nail with your car and I popped the tire like that's a bummer
00:57:34
that's a great car and it's like no this is a person that you ceremoniously tortured and killed and
00:57:42
that's the thing they dismembered like him saying oh they put so much time and money into this it's like a car yeah it
00:57:47
truly is like he treats it little them like it's a possession this whole thing is just a possession and not human
00:57:53
beings that actually were taken from their families and loved ones this is devastating it's a really like it
00:58:00
reminded me of the Fall River called look how gnarly that got and how just like wow like the chaos and that but
00:58:08
these guys all admitted it they all admitted to being there a couple of them obviously tried to take themselves like
00:58:14
bring themselves into a like outer shell there'd be like I was just there I didn't touch them but they all know what
00:58:20
they did of course and they all inflicted some kind of injury on Tony and they all deserve to be in prison
00:58:25
forever but unfortunately yeah like the Lawrence brothers there and Mark Goodwin
00:58:33
they didn't get nearly enough and they get to go back out and live the lives yeah Tony should have been living yeah
00:58:40
21 years old so sad poor Tony I know well yeah that's a rough one that was a really sad one it was but thank you guys
00:58:49
of course for listening and we hope you keep it weird I do not have to tell you not to keep it this weird and I'm simply
00:58:58
not going to Elena will [Music]