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hey weirdos I'm Elina I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid it sure is honey it sure is honey
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you know what else is morbid the freaking crick in my neck that's pretty morbid so morbid pretty mobid mobid
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mobid it's pretty maab maab indeed maab you said um so what's what's what's blowing
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your skirt up what's um you know it's a big real season Real Housewives they's so many
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Real Housewives on right now oh I love that for you New York is on uh pomac is on doing pretty good
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steady pic season uh SLC is popping the [ __ ] off might I say that this might be
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my favorite season of SLC that's ever happened I love the new housewife brownin there you go yep and then um
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what other one is on right now why can't I think things oh OC OC just had a [ __ ] Banger of a season and I think
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that the season finale might be this week wow really looking forward to the reunion so Bravo heads it's Real
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Housewife season yeah have at it and let's just hope that New York gets better what are you guys doing I really
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I couldn't I tried I I an OG New York cast girly oh same once it flipped over I was like no like those women raised me
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essentially literally those those women raised me and then for better for worse they raised me it's yeah it's okay I
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still like literally I was watching the season with Jules the other day oh I love the old SE I'll watch them over
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that's one of my favorite Seasons chaos yeah I really wanted to be and I was I was excited for the new like the new
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reboot of New York and it was fine like I was like okay season 1 it wasn't like my favorite thing ever SE so I couldn't
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bother Ben Mander I have to pull it up really quickly because he had a tweet that explained exactly what um Ben and
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Ronnie for Life yeah Ben if you're a Bravo head we've mentioned them before but just in case you're like just
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joining or something if you're a Bravo head go listen to watch what Crain with Ben and Ronnie oh
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my God they're [ __ ] hilarious and they cover all the Bravo shows and they're just lovely humans as well oh my
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God and if you're looking for like a campy like just I don't even know how to describe them they're like Indescribable
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because I love them so much and you got me into them Lara and Carrie oh from Su sexy unique podcast they cover OC and
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SLC and hilarious me and Drew listen to those Recaps cry laughing like through genuine like streams of Tears oh huge um
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huge Laura and Carrie fan forever uh but Ben this is this sums up the difference between uh Real
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Housewives of Orange County and Real Housewives of New York okay so he tweeted rhoc you told everybody I pushed
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Travis down the stairs her daughter told Emily's kids that I'm mean you did a background check on Ryan the FBI is
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investigating you talked about my bloody face photo are you going to put a hit out on me and then Real Housewives of
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New York I made a pavlova it's literally all that's happened wow it's only been two episodes
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so I'm hoping for more but that's my real housewives recap for you guys damn how are you well [ __ ] what's going in
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your life you gave a lot for that was good that was good information that was good Rex I'm always here to give the
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Bravo Rex yeah I love that and our bravoo heads listening love that so hell yeah hi friends we're well balanced here
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what what's going on in your neck of the woods well I just saw a really cool thing on Tik Tok and I was really
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excited to share it cuz I think people listening will be like holy [ __ ] cuz I was tell me everything I guess blumhouse
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is doing like this cool it's a it's an Insidious like live horror experience oo and I think they're doing I'm bringing
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the thing up right now cuz I I wanted to give you guys the right information cuz
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I was just I kept following Tik toks about it and I was like can I I want to do this I love an immersive experience
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yeah it's like a tour they're going in like over 80 cities in North America next year damn yeah it looks cool A
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Haunted House kind of vibe yeah I think it's just like this like immersive like you're going to be like surrounded by
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Insidious essentially oh I'm obsessed with that it just looks too the idea of it was just too cool not to mention yeah
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and Blum House I feel like I love everything that they do and I think there there's tickets on sale now I
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think so I I want to go I'll go with you I'm looking at it I'm like I want tickets to this coming to a city near
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you and I'm looking right now is it in our city [ __ ] it's in our city coming to Boston at the colonial oh [ __ ] that's
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we got get tickets well we are getting tickets we're going see you there we're absolutely going if you are not there
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you are square that's very true you're not Weir this is just this is just me I just found it I just wanted to tell you
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guys about it so I like I like that this is just me I just found that this just I
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just wanted you to know you talking about horror [ __ ] and you me talking about bravoo this is just us this really
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is just us this is the dichotomy of our podcast I figured you know what that was
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blowing my skirt up at the moment the idea of that so that's one of my favorite Expressions ever I got it from
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you you were I've heard it before but you used it recently and it and it tickled me I used it on the car ride
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home the other night because Drew loves to say that things didn't blow his skirt
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up and it's so funny cuz Drew doesn't wear skirts so it just it I like that yeah well you know what
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doesn't blow my skirt up Jerry brutos Jerry Brut he also does not blow my skirt up but he's it's a fascinating
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True Crime that's the thing it's a fascinating case it's a horrific case and it's only going to get worse and
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part two is really going to take it there so I just need everybody to know that I'm just really looking forward to
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him getting apprehended because I that's my always my favorite part of the story
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is like when the police close in and I don't know how that happens here so pop off sister so when we last left you um
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was when we he had already kidnapped and murdered Linda SLO and Jan Whitney M uh so he's already
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escalated to horrific acts and he's doing these I mean he's strangling he's hanging them up by their neck he's
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dressing them in other women's clothing that he has stolen all around his career
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he's taking lots of photographs he's taken one of their feet and kept it and he dumps them in a river afterwards and
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weighs them down like he's a [ __ ] brutal dude he was going to try to make a paper weight out of one of their
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breasts the last time he's going to do that so what yeah oh God so on the afternoon of
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March 27th 1969 19-year-old Karen sprinker left her home and she was on her way to the Meyer
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and Frank department store in Salem Oregon uh that day she had made plans to have lunch with her mom and to do some
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shopping for spring clothes cuz she was going to be going back to school and she
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wanted to have like additions to her wardrobe yeah she actually had big plans of a medical career as a doctor and she
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was brilliant she was so smart she had everything going for her she graduated second highest in her high school class
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like wow she was going places uh Jerry brutos had also gone out that afternoon just driving around doing his disgusting
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troll thing he was looking for women particularly near the Meer and Frank department store that's when he spotted
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a specific woman this woman was not Karen uh he said later that he couldn't take his eyes off of this woman he said
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quote I had to have her he told detectives later but by the time Jerry had parked his car in the it was like a
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multi-tiered parking garage yeah by the time he had found a spot and parked his car the woman had disappeared inside the
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store so he missed his chance for her we will not know who that woman is but I'm
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like somebody out there has no idea possibly that they were a second away like you have to wonder how often that
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happens that's the thing that like something just you know something gets yeah like some kind of intervention just
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gets in the way yeah yeah so as Jerry was walking back to his car he was going back to his car to leave like he was
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going to be like he was like [ __ ] I missed my chance of leaving right but as he's walking back to his car just by
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chance he notices Karen sprinker getting out of her car oh no and he later said I
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didn't like her shoes but she was a pretty girl with long dark hair now Jerry and Karen were walking
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towards one another she was headed to the inside to the like the department store and he was headed to the parking
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lot and when she got to the front door of the department store he suddenly grabbed her by the shoulder out of
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nowhere just walking by a dude and he just grabs you and you're she's almost in the store she's literally so what it
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is is there's like a Stairway that goes from the parking lot Garage in to right to the front door okay so it's like this
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stairway that is just like door at the bottom of the stair that goes right into the department store and right here she
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was going down there and he was like it was literally like seconds away from that door and it's like nobody saw
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anything no nobody saw anything so he grabbed her by the shoulder and he shoved the barrel of a pistol into her
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ribs oh my God and he told Karen to come with him quietly and he wouldn't shoot her so she did exactly that because I
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can't imagine being in that position well and you honestly I feel like you just have to comply when somebody has a
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gun to your anywhere on your body my personal advice to you is never let someone take you to a second location
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yeah do whatever you obviously do whatever and that's what I mean like do whatever you can to stop that from
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happening which also Karen also did try to stop that from having she fought like
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hell yeah so do that like don't let somebody take you to a second location that is far worse than something
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happening to you right there yeah so kick scream do whatever you got to make do make the most noise you can possibly
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make if something like this happens literally the most noise scratch at eyeballs do whatever you got to do
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scream fire yeah exactly so cuz it's that second location when they get you in a car or they're taking you somewhere
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else that it's going to be a lot harder when they have the upper hand in a second location yeah and now you're
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somewhere where you weren't initially going so they can't track you right but what she didn't know and what she had no
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way of knowing was that the pistol he was using was a toy mhm oh no but it looked like a of
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course you're not going to you're not going to question that in the moment yeah so when Karen failed to show up for
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lunch that afternoon her mother became alarmed very quickly and she waited more than an hour at the restaurant she
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searched around she checked the parking lot and that's where she discovered Karen's car locked and abandoned Karen's
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father Lucas reported her missing later that day and police opened an investigation pretty immediately cuz
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they were like she wasn't running away she was coming to meet me for lunch like her car is here something happened yeah
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uh the first lead came in quickly when a young Woman matching Karen's description
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was actually seen at the Southern Pacific Railroad Station with two men it wasn't Karen right but matched her
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description one of these people bought tickets to San Francisco for all three of them and the ticket clerk remembered
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the three young people and told detectives it didn't look like the girl was being forced to accompany them she
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looked like she was willing to go there but Karen's mother was like and they were really going with this lead and
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Karen's mother was like no she wasn't running away like this isn't and please everybody [ __ ] believe her her she
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said to them something happened to that girl from the time she parked her car on
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the ramp before she could get into the store wow and he she just knew she was like she didn't make it into that into
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that store right now once Karen was taken back to Jerry brutus's basement of Horrors he sexually assaulted her then
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he forced her to dress in the stolen underwear and shoes while he photographed her he took a lot of
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photographs of Karen he made her change several times this was a very long drawn
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out torturous process for her the photos are heartbreaking yeah um because it's clear I mean it's just of her face right
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but cuz they've obviously cropped it yeah but it's clear that she's just in complete shock and doesn't know how to
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get out of the situation like it's a horrifying photo just because of her face not something I would want to see
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no I don't recommend going to look for it but I'm it's just it's awful what he did to these women because you can tell
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like how do you get out of that you're in his basement I have no idea what do you do and it's like you don't know if
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you comply if you if I comply maybe he's going to let me leave like maybe he just
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wants this yeah there's so many things that must be running through your head when he was done photographing her
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against her will he looped a rope around Karen's neck and threw the other end over the Hoist and the basement ceiling
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cuz he had created this whole like Loop and pulley system now where he could hoist someone up he then hoisted her up
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just enough for her feet to not touch the ground literally so her toes were scraping the ground and then he left her
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to strangle to death while he went upstairs and watched cartoons and spent time with his
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family so they were just upstairs while this was going on mhm okay so he just went upstairs spend
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time with his family's kids wife watched cartoons while there is a woman strangling slowly to death in their
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basement that I don't know how you I don't know how the human brain can allow you to hurt somebody like that and to
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like also hurt your family at the same time like that's that's [ __ ] with your family too oh yeah I like that's
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just and it's just like such conflicting pieces of your brain right how are they turned on at the same
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time I don't even I don't know about the Pathways in Jerry br's brain well later
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he returned to the basement to repeatedly violate Karen's body yeah um she had died at that point yeah she had
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died she strangled to death by that point he had developed a routine so he spent the next few days photographing
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her body just like he had done and violating it in other ways um because remember he is a
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necrophiliac and before disposing of Karen's body he sliced off both of her breasts because he wanted to try to make
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the paper weights again uhhuh when the time came to get rid of her body uh Jerry weighted her down with mechanical
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Parts like um an engine from from like an old car and stuff and dumped her in the long Tom River I don't know what
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happened with the paper weights of it all I think it's better that we don't know yeah I didn't I didn't go too far
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into whether they worked or not whether he was able to finally do it for his sake I hope no yeah definitely not so
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several months would pass before Karen's body was discovered in May wow uh by then she had been in the water way too
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long for the medical examiner to get much information about her remains her cause of death was listed as death by
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traumatic asphixiation wow when you so obviously like it becomes harder because like you get water logged MH will your
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teeth disintegrate faster in water too no no your teeth will pretty much hang out at the same time um now unlike the
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other bodies who were discovered without clothing Karen was actually fully clothed when she was found so he
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redressed her obviously so yeah it but was what was even weirder was the clothing thing didn't belong to her and
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it clearly didn't belong to her is it his wife the sizing of the undergarments for example were much larger than
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anything Karen owner would reasonably be wearing okay um also when the medical examiner removed the 38D siiz bra which
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was not her size quote Soden lumps of brown paper toweling dropped out revealing that Jerry had cut off Karen
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this is when they found out that he had cut off Karen's breast right and then stuffed a bra to make her chest appear
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larger with paper towels oh and all this clothing was clothing taken from other women okay and
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some of it was like other women he had murdered yeah he dressed her in this man yeah that's just
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yep now less than a month passed before Jerry was back out on the prow less than
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a month holy [ __ ] April 21st Jerry attacked a 24-year-old woman Sharon wood in a parking garage as she was leaving
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work uh he walked right up behind her and put a pistol in her back telling her that if she didn't scream he wouldn't
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shoot her but she said [ __ ] that and she fought real hard hell yeah she she basically was like I was not she was
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having a bad day and she was like I was in no mood to deal with this [ __ ] so he tried to choke her out he put an arm
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around her like and literally tried to put her in like a sleeper hole and she just bit down super hard on his
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hand like drew blood from his thumb like that's how hard and just screamed she just kept on screaming and luckily a car
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drove in as this was happening and she was able to get away because he ran can you imagine how traumatizing that
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experience would be how do you move on from that how do you ever Park your [ __ ] car in a parking garage again go
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in public or do anything ex by yourself like I would never want to be alone again no I don't I I'm sure that
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happened s a lot with survivors of like attacks like this like they probably don't want to do anything by themselves
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absolutely and luckily he so he ran away and then on the afternoon of April 22nd
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the next day very next day he tried to abduct a 15-year-old girl and force her into his car he's disgusting but she got
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away like she was able to run away he also tried to kidnap a [ __ ] 12-year-old on her way to school oh my
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God literally grabbed her and was trying to throw her in his car and she saw a neighbor working in the yard she's on
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her way to school a 12-year-old yeah like a sixth or seventh grader literally saw a neighbor working in her yard and
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was able to break free from him and run directly into this neighbor's arms like this neighbor just grabbed her talk
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about timing yes and it's like what he was going to do this to a 12-year-old well it seems like he was
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trying to look for somebody like easier to overtake that was one of the things they said about him later was if you put
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up too much of a fight with him he would like like that would throw him off because he wanted the easy like thing or
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what he determined to be the easy thing so that's why like they all fought like most of them fought to some extent you
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know what I mean but it was like if you somehow were able to like get someone else involved or get CU as soon as
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someone else became involved he was a w flower like he was a little [ __ ] right
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so it's like if he got you alone he was more likely to overpower you no matter what but if you could get someone else's
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attention or like Break Free somehow he was out of there he was out of there and
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it's just like a [ __ ] 12y you are going to bring a 12-year-old back to your [ __ ] basement of Horrors I can't
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get over thatwhile you literally have like two children you're a father like that's disgusting and horrific no matter
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what but you're you add the layer of the fact that he has his own children he is I mean he he I don't think there
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enough credit is put on how bad this guy is like I think it gets overshadowed a lot by like oh he's the shoe guy like
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he's the shoe fetish guy but there's a lot more and that's like the H what a weird part of this story and it's like
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yeah yeah that's real weird do you know what else he did like it's just like you
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got to look at what this [ __ ] did like he's gross he's awful he's a [ __ ] necrophiliac oh he's a [ __ ] demon and
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it's CRA like you were just saying the the shoe thing definitely overtakes this story because I I know who Jerry brutos
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is I've heard this story but I actually forgot that he was a necrophiliac yes that's the and it's like the shoe thing
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is a big deal yeah of course cuz it's like he that is a a massive part of his pathology and it's a massive part of
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what he fetishizes and what he does and it seems like why he became who he was EXA and you heard what he said with you
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know um with Karen sprinker right um she he said I didn't like her shoes right but she was pretty yep but like he he
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had to comment on the shoes like I didn't like her shoes yeah so it was a massive part of his pathology so I'm not
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knocking the fact that like that's a big part of this and it should be a big part
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of it but like I feel like it he it doesn't get known how bad he was he was disgusting yeah so after trying to
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abduct a 12y olds and failing just one day later he's like desperate on April 23rd Jerry drove over to Portland where
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he spotted 22-year-old Linda Sally loading bags on into her car in the parking lot at the Lloyd Center um armed
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with that same toy pistol and now a fake police badge oh he approach Linda and he
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flashed the badge and he told her that he was a store detective with the Lloyd Center and he was taking her into
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custody for shoplifting what so Linda was like what are you talking I didn't shoplift anything like no I like you
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have the wrong person but he was very insistent and she was always one to follow the rules she didn't go against
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Authority so she went with with him well you're not going to like run away from what you think is a police officer no
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and that's and of course not and later after his arrest Jerry commented on this and said she didn't fight me at all she
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just got into my car well why would she because you were pretending to be a detective you [ __ ] [ __ ] like
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making it seem like like it was so weird she didn't do anything you're making it
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seem like you're a detective which is the entire reason that you came up with that plan in the first place remember
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this is in the 60s it's like people like we're just coming out of the 50s here people are taught to re even now but
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it's like yeah especially back then you were taught to respect police officers well and especially as a woman you
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didn't have a lot of then that's the thing so it's like of course she did yeah oh it's so annoying and she
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apparently according to him remained completely silent the whole Drive she didn't even speak up when it was clear
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that they had passed the Portland City Limits and crossed into Salem well she's probably just trying to figure out how
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the [ __ ] to get out of there she's probably in complete shock and terrified and still being like is he a detective
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like he flashed a badge like what is going on so they into his home and she still didn't say anything and once he
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led Lyon to the basement Workshop is what he called it he tied her up with rope and then went back into the house
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to have dinner with his family while she was tied up and they just like they never heard screams or anything like
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that I gu never heard struggles I'm shocked by it to be honest not the kids obviously no not the kids but you never
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heard anything which again like we've seen that happen I mean yeah it happens for sure but this is just like whoa cuz
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I feel like a lot of times like when when somebody's like yeah I I didn't know anything is when they're it wasn't
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happening in the house right like when there're are bringing back people that they've already killed yeah but the fact
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that he like dragged this girl into the basement and tied her up and then was like okay dinner time yeah it's just
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strange that's what's confusing to me is like he's bringing live women back to his house to murder in his basement
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right and it's like there's times where there is like you know his wife is home well also like I mean maybe this is just
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me like you hear a car pull in the driveway I look at my camera or before cameras I would look out the shades like
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I I don't know yeah I don't know unless he's picking specific times where raline
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isn't home when he pulls in so she just comes home and gets home and starts din he just walks upstairs and is none the
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wiser you know know what I mean yeah like it's possible no definitely it's just I'm like damn it's it's also just a
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another thing of how bold and Brazen he is oh yeah and how completely like having no room
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remorseless he doesn't he walks upstairs and has dinner with his family knowing what's happening down there knowing
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somebody else's child is downstairs in his basement like it's you know what I mean like that's just [ __ ] up he's
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looking at his wife a a woman he claims to love and has another woman downstairs
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in his basement daughter yeah so this [ __ ] had dinner with his family and then he just goes back downstairs to the
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basement and Linda had actually freed herself from her ropes somehow but she was just sitting there on the couch okay
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hadn't tried to run away you know nothing like that she likely believed he was going to let her go eventually he he
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what bothered me about this is he made it seem and he had like a habit of doing this where he would sit there with
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detectives and be like yeah it's so weird she just sat there she didn't even try to get away she didn't even try to
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use the phone and it's like I think what you're failing to tell us you big piece
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of [ __ ] is that you probably told her several times if you just stay put I'll let and listen to what I say you're
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going to go home to your family tonight right and it's like he's making it seem like these dumb women didn't do anything
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killed her and it's like you first of all you told her you were a detective so she probably had no [ __ ] clue what
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was going on and it's like don't tell me that you didn't give her some kind of idea that if she just listened and
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didn't fight back right that you were going to let her go it pisses me off so much cuz he did the thing was like it's
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yeah it's crazy she just got my car you flashed her a badge right of course said
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you had to take her downtown like come on yeah this one is very um they're all very unsettling and graphic but this one
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just has like an added element into it just so you know um so it was she just kind of was sitting there when he came
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downstairs probably hoping that he was just going to be like okay let's get you home um it was only when Jerry pulled
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out a big belt like a leather strap and tried to get it around her neck that Linda lost it yeah uh she started
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resisting kicking scratching at every part of him that she could which again she's yelling she's fighting there's
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nothing over her mouth to stop her from yelling in his home basement yeah but she was fighting the whole time and he
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finally did get it around her neck and he strangled her to death but she fought hard yeah um he did what he did to all
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the other women that he killed he violated Linda's body he photographed her and and then he hung her up by her
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neck on the usual pulley system her body and while she hung there he placed needles into her rib cage on either side
00:27:08
what and attached those to wires and an electrical current attached to a large battery what and what he was hoping to
00:27:15
do there was he was hoping that by doing that and like sending the electrical current through there that he would make
00:27:21
her body like jump or dance yeah on the pulley uh like animate it [ __ ] weirdo yeah and it didn't do that it just burnt
00:27:32
her skin which he was upset to find out that's just so sad it reminds me of the Hillside Strangler stranglers with the
00:27:41
the US usage of like electrical and experimentation like that and stuff and how they just and the way they are so
00:27:48
[ __ ] callous and cold about it later just being like what I wanted to see what would happen it's like this is a
00:27:53
person like what are you doing like what the [ __ ] so a few days later Jerry weighed Linda's body down with um
00:28:01
another old engine that he could find and dropped her body into the long Tom River as well not far from where he had
00:28:08
dumped Karen Springer's body and then he just went home now with the recent disappearances of Jan Whitney and Karen
00:28:15
sprinker in the attempted abductions just a few days earlier like one after the other yeah Linda Sally's
00:28:21
disappearance was taken pretty seriously like right away like the other the other
00:28:27
women I feel like they were like oh maybe they were in one off but now they were like oh [ __ ] these might be
00:28:33
connected now when you have three it's like okay like start looking at it and and not only three women who have turned
00:28:39
up missing but all other disappearances and other assaults and other attemps exactly now everyone who knew Linda
00:28:46
described her as very stable and very reliable hardly the type of person that would run off without telling anyone so
00:28:53
finally they listened to people who knew her good um and also Linda's car was dis
00:28:58
Ed abandoned in a parking lot which definitely supported the theory that she was taken away from where she was and
00:29:04
that she didn't run away with it yeah now whether he was in a rush or was just careless Jerry failed to notice how
00:29:13
shallow the part of the water was where he dumped Linda's remains uh about two weeks later on May 10th two men fishing
00:29:21
on the long time River noticed something partially submerged in the water okay when they got closer they realized it
00:29:27
was the partially nude body of a young woman uh her remains had been Tire tied to an auto transmission uh they was tied
00:29:35
using a nylon cord and copper wiring oh which he used for all of them and that was going to be something that tied him
00:29:42
to it okay cuz he was very those are very specific things nylon cord copper wiring it's not like a regular rope no
00:29:50
so by the time the body was discovered decomposition and the effects of you know being in the water had made Linda's
00:29:56
face largely unrecognized iable investigators thought it could actually have been Karen sprinker at first and
00:30:03
ironically it was just 2 days later while investigating that same area for evidence you know in Lind in whoever
00:30:10
this body was that the sheriff's department divers also located Karen Springer's body about 50 feet from where
00:30:17
Linda s um Sally had been discovered oh wow yeah so Linda's body was identified through dental records okay because
00:30:25
that's how badly she was decomposed uh Karen's body was tentatively identified by her mother through a description of
00:30:32
her personal items which is just horrifying that's heartbreaking yeah detectives were glad to have some
00:30:38
information to work with but they couldn't ignore the fact that the similarities in the cases suggested that
00:30:43
they were likely looking for one killer MH um not only were the bodies left in roughly the same area but they also were
00:30:50
killed and weighted down in very similar ways right also they were mindful of the
00:30:55
fact that Jan Whitney had also disappeared under circumstances and they couldn't rule out
00:31:00
the fact the possibility that this was the same person and they had a serial killer yeah now in the days that
00:31:05
followed divers continued to comb that riverbed looking for any additional evidence belonging to either the women
00:31:12
or anything else of that matter but they didn't get anything else uh Sheriff Charles ream told reporters on May 15th
00:31:19
we're sure there are no B more bodies under the bridge the problem was though that they also didn't have a lot of
00:31:24
leads to work with at this point the lack of leads kind of sent detectives back to the drawing board a little bit
00:31:31
so they looked at the last time anyone had seen Linda and it seemed impossible that her killer could have abducted her
00:31:38
in like a brightly lit parking lot in the middle of the day but honestly he had done he had done it at least one
00:31:45
other time in the case of Karen sprinker so right and it is shocking like I understand why they were like how the
00:31:51
[ __ ] did he just grab her in daylight and you know they're thinking like he couldn't have grabbed her and she fought
00:31:56
back in broad daylight someone would have seen her but then they're like but again like it happened to Karen right
00:32:02
you never know so you just don't know but they said that um back at Lloyd's they talked to a clerk that was at the
00:32:09
jewelry counter who had last seen Linda and they ended up being the last person who saw Linda alive besides Jerry brutos
00:32:16
yeah um but this clerk said they that she remembered Linda because it happened to be a very slow day and she took a
00:32:22
long time making up her mind so she just had had remembered her that yeah she spent a lot of time with her um but
00:32:28
that's all she could really tell her was just like yeah she was in here right now
00:32:31
for months investigators dug into every aspect of the victim's lives just trying
00:32:36
to find anything that they could connect them together or that they could just figure out anybody connected to them
00:32:42
that could do this but they just kept coming up like dead end after dead end and then in miday they finally got a
00:32:48
break when an Oregon State University student called police to report an incident this incident was was was when
00:32:56
a suspicious man had called this girl out of nowhere on May 14th and this guy just asked her out on a
00:33:05
date okay and she was like I didn't know who he was he was a man who called me and I guess he said I just came back
00:33:12
from Vietnam and he had dialed her number at random that's what he told her that's believable and he wanted to ask
00:33:19
her out on a date he was like you know what let's go out and she said like you have no idea what I look like you have
00:33:25
no idea what my [ __ ] name even is and you want to go a date yeah you good but she said I didn't know why but I
00:33:32
accepted the date and I said I would meet him she's a college student so maybe she
00:33:38
was just like you know maybe she's a big believer in fate maybe I think that's what she was like you know what maybe
00:33:42
this little it was the 60s yeah and nearing the 70s very very different time honestly it
00:33:49
me oh my God my future husband just called crazy you're like the stars have a line
00:33:56
relatable um so two met at the Oregon State dorm lounge and the girl said it was a very awkward experience which I
00:34:04
imagine it was I I hate that it's Jerry brutos obviously that she met up with but I love that she was just like all
00:34:10
right let's try and she went to like a public place yeah she was smart about it know she didn't go meet him at like some
00:34:15
secluded area or like his house or something yeah um so they made Small Talk briefly and then the man began
00:34:21
telling her about his experience with new massage techniques no graas and before she could even say anything he
00:34:28
was up and standing behind her and massaging her shoulders nope get the [ __ ] away from me do not touch me
00:34:34
without my consent same he told her to think of something sad while he was doing it why would I think of sad things
00:34:40
while you're relieving tension from my body you [ __ ] idiot well she was like I can't I don't know what to think of
00:34:46
like she was like what the [ __ ] so his response was think of the two girls killed and put in the long Tom
00:34:52
River oh I'd say you know what I've got to go back to my dorm now get the [ __ ] away
00:34:58
from me scream the conversation progressed and eventually the man mentioned that he believed people should
00:35:04
be able to decide for themselves what's right and wrong oh yeah that's a good idea and she was like hard disagree and
00:35:12
she said it to him she was like hard disagree like that is not how the world Works no there's bad people in the world
00:35:18
so like bad people can't decide what's right and wrong for people and he became irrationally angry at her for that did
00:35:25
not want to hear that and the flare up of anger obviously made her very uncomfortable scared uh but it wasn't
00:35:31
until he mentioned that he needed to replace the engine in his car that she really became uncomfortable because she
00:35:38
remembered that at least one of the women that had been found in the river had been bound to an engine block when
00:35:43
she was discovered and she was like too much too much is leading back here why is he telling her all of this oh and it
00:35:50
gets worse because the most alarming moment happened when after they'd been talking
00:35:55
about the missing women for a little because he kept bringing it back yeah Jerry casually asked and he was
00:36:02
referring to her agreeing to meet him when she didn't know who he was so he was this is why I think he does this
00:36:08
[ __ ] to make women look stupid yeah because he he invited her he called her up pretended to be this guy got her to
00:36:16
come there with him and now she's going to kind of Shame her for it yeah because
00:36:20
he said what makes you want to be raped like the other girls oh my God whoa he casually said that oh my God referring
00:36:29
to the fact like well you just showed up and met a stranger what makes you want he's like they must have done and again
00:36:34
he's blaming the other girls like they must have wanted to holy [ __ ] and also like first of all when they were going
00:36:39
to a department store well that's the thing like this girl came for a date and did not want that that does not mean
00:36:44
that she wanted to be raped and those two girls you took them against their will so what the [ __ ] are you talking
00:36:49
about small guy exactly small guy ass it's so true like and that's why when doing this whole thing like the story
00:37:00
and the story out there for Linda Sally is like that he just came downstairs and
00:37:05
it was so weird she had untied herself and she's just sitting there she didn't even try to call on the phone she didn't
00:37:09
even try to escape like that's the story that's everywhere you read and it's there's no like it's it's almost being
00:37:16
like isn't that weird that she just like was fine with being in this guy's basement and like didn't try to get away
00:37:22
and he's like no no no it's very clear that this is what he does that he is has clearly made her promises and kept her
00:37:30
docile with the hope of getting the [ __ ] out of there and then he's going to turn
00:37:34
around to the detectives and go yeah isn't it [ __ ] weird she just like untied herself and didn't even try to
00:37:39
escape she must have wanted it well and I also was thinking [ __ ] you and I also
00:37:43
was thinking too I feel like the fact that he took pictures of women almost LED them to believe that like he would
00:37:49
let them go because then he had some kind of blackmail over them exactly and they could just say like I'm not going
00:37:54
to tell anybody you have those pictures have those pictures I'm going to go like
00:37:58
we have an equal thing here and I'm going and we'll never have to do this again yeah and I can see why somebody
00:38:03
photographing you like that wouldn't lead you to believe that the next step would be them killing you exactly it
00:38:08
would actually lead you to believe like I'm going to I'm going to I am in this position I am I'm going to take these
00:38:13
pictures and then I'm going to get the [ __ ] out of here I'm just going to try to get myself out of here so I can at
00:38:17
least try to get help like I'll do what he says to keep him calm right cuz he's also a big guy that's the other thing
00:38:23
even though Brut he's a small guy well small guy mental he hegy of a tin tinyy tin tin Tintin
00:38:34
TIN Tiny micro small dick energy if you will the tiniest dickr small dick energy
00:38:39
oh my God yeah but he's a big guy he's a big freckled man I actually haven't looked up a picture of him this entire
00:38:46
time he's heinous I I believe he's heinous they usually are something you just said about the way that he was just
00:38:52
sitting there on the date with her and saying like what he just said to her about about you know well why do you
00:38:58
want to get raped like those girls it reminds me I just watched um the new anak Kendrick movie that she it's like
00:39:04
her directorial debut I heard great things about it woman of the hour I just watched it it was so good but it reminds
00:39:10
me of this one scene in the movie where he gets like upset with a girl that he's
00:39:14
very much trying to kill and it just sent chills down my [ __ ] spine but 10 out of 10 recommend that movie really
00:39:20
good I I definitely want to watch that Siri also is intered Siri is also like you should watch that she said I didn't
00:39:26
hear that what movie was that tell me more uh but that's that's the thing I feel like this if you look him up he's a
00:39:33
big Jerry brutos is like a big beady-eyed [ __ ] yeah he's big and I'm sure they were trying to comply because
00:39:41
he's a scary [ __ ] intimidating foe to be in in your in his world yeah so they're probably yeah so
00:39:49
they're trying to just like comply get the [ __ ] out of there but that I just it
00:39:53
pisses me off that this little [ __ ] likes to make it like like oh so what makes you want to do this just like the
00:39:59
other girls and it's like first of all shut the [ __ ] up they didn't nobody wants it shut the [ __ ] up no and it's
00:40:05
like and you were the weird [ __ ] who called her and did this and she met you in a public place okay on a campus yeah
00:40:12
exactly like she's in she's safe here you're the one being a weirdo it's just it's for the shock Factor because you're
00:40:18
immediately like imagine sitting across from somebody and hearing them say that too immediately all you would like you
00:40:23
would you would dart back you know and it's to shame them yeah exactly it's to make her feel uncomfortable to make her
00:40:30
feel ashamed that she has agreed to do this and he's a piece of [ __ ] so where do we go from here so after they'd
00:40:36
returned to the dorm because he walked her back to the dorm oh uh the man asked if he could see her again and she was
00:40:42
like I'll think about it but as soon as he left cuz she didn't want to piss him off so she was like I'll think about it
00:40:48
as soon as he left she called a corvees detective to report it [ __ ] girl that's my girl and they said okay here's
00:40:56
what we want you to do we want you to make another date with him but we will be waiting for him when he comes to pick
00:41:02
you up this poor girl so they were like you don't have to go on the date you just have to make a date with him and
00:41:09
she did so she a few days later or she made a date for a few days later and so she was like come pick me up and when he
00:41:16
came to pick her up detectives were waiting to question him this might be my next favorite apprehension next to um
00:41:24
[ __ ] the nightstalker well it's kind of this one's layered cuz they didn't have anything on him yet oh so they're
00:41:30
just question right they're just questioning him still still love that he thought he was going on a date with this
00:41:36
girl but yes also he was like creep he was probably going to kill her well one he was going to kill her and two I'm
00:41:42
like did you guys put her in the [ __ ] Witness Protection Program seriously cuz
00:41:45
you didn't arrest him after that he knows where she lives the good news is this is what gets them on the radar him
00:41:50
on the radar so it does this leads to his arrest for sure so he gave detectives his name but he provided a
00:41:56
fake address and denied knowing anything about the murders of Linda and Karen or
00:42:00
the disappearances and attempted abductions of other young women but still detective Jim stovel recalled that
00:42:07
how Jerry quote attempted to play mind games with him during their interview so this dumb [ __ ] thinks he's smart too I
00:42:14
would be like you're laugh like I wish they I hope they were just so [ __ ] mean to him I would demean this man
00:42:20
until his future Generations felt it like I like that just ruin his life yeah uh according to St
00:42:27
Brutto quote used hypothetical examples of what the killer could have done that struck a little too close to the truth
00:42:33
to be coincidence wow yeah it's giving if I did it I literally was just thinking that now despite their
00:42:41
suspicions investigators had no crime that they could charge him with technically he didn't do anything right
00:42:48
and Jerry you know he was just kind of being weird and creepy but you can't really charge anyone with being weird
00:42:53
and creepy so they had to let him go and in the week that followed they discovered that their instincts were
00:42:59
probably right about brutos because a search of his name they went like further into his background it turned up
00:43:04
previous charges for assault and kidnapping as well as his incarceration at the state hospital and his late teens
00:43:12
they also discovered a 1960 arrest where Jerry was arrested for prowling around the Oregon State campus oh no so brutos
00:43:20
also lived in close proximity to where the victims had been abducted from so as they're putting all these things
00:43:25
together they're being like guy right some some's off here he's got a record yeah he was acting strange with us he
00:43:32
was be trying to play mind games with us getting a little too close to the real details of [ __ ] and now he lives close
00:43:38
to where they're abducted like all the pieces are falling in and his car wasn't a match for the one that had been
00:43:44
identified in the attempted abduction of um like some of the young women who had
00:43:48
gotten away but his mother's car was and she had been known to she was um known to have been staying with him at
00:43:57
at the time so he was going to abduct these this 12-year-old this 15-year-old this 23-year-old mother his mother's car
00:44:04
and probably killed them in her car he probably got like some kick out of that because obviously he hated her that that
00:44:10
was for sure part of it oh the the weird psychological layers to that oh yeah wow
00:44:16
oh yeah so the information stovel and the other detectives managed to get together was enough to get a warrant so
00:44:22
they really did their due diligence after this meeting they had to let him go but they didn't let it they didn't
00:44:27
let it lie they went further and got enough to get a warrant to arrest him or to search his home at least so they on
00:44:36
May 26th 1969 stovel and a team of investigators arrived at Jerry brutus's front door wow which is not good for him
00:44:43
uh-uh so the warrant to search their his house mentioned the sexual nature of the
00:44:48
crimes and the specific ways in which the bodies had been dispose of including the use of the copper wire and the nylon
00:44:54
cord being very specific very niche and also the car parts that they had been bound to Y in their search of the
00:45:00
basement investigators found copper wire and nylon cord imagine that and they matched exactly to those found in the
00:45:08
murders they also found industrial mechanical cloth which M matched the cloth that was discovered on Linda's
00:45:15
body wow now the materials discovered in the basement tied brutos to the missing
00:45:21
and murdered women but the most damning evidence was the massive stash of photo photogaphs showing nude bodies dangling
00:45:30
from a rope and that's a quote and women's clothing discovered all over like all they found a massive stockpile
00:45:38
of this stuff according to the Press many of the photos of women were taken from the neck down so it was difficult
00:45:45
to identify them or even determine whether they were alive when the picture was taken that's horrifying but at least
00:45:50
one photo a small image that was confiscated from Jerry's wallet he was carrying it around with with him was a
00:45:58
nude Karen sprinker oh that's awful and it was like her face was in it also in many of the images they found that there
00:46:07
was a mirror that he had laid on the ground underneath the women's bodies so that he could like dress them hang them
00:46:16
up and put a mirror underneath their bodies so he could look up their dresses oh God ew yep and in one of
00:46:24
those specific photos with the mirror there is an image of Jerry's own [ __ ] face reflected back as he was taking the
00:46:34
[ __ ] photo he's so simple and it is a you can see the photograph it is just of
00:46:41
his face like they blue they it's not like the whole photograph no it's just the part that's his face yeah and it's
00:46:48
haunting to look at because you are looking at the moment that this person like is
00:46:55
torturing someone it's wild to look at somebody in the moment that like they have no Humanity yeah you know what I
00:47:03
mean like that it's just like they are they're most a creature we can't even fathom you know what I mean it's weird
00:47:09
to be able to look at someone and in that photo be be it because of the flash or like something else the whatever
00:47:16
happened it distorted his face a little so his eyes are like blur like there's no eyes oh that's horrifying and his
00:47:22
eyes are like the scariest part of him for some he's very be very looking eyes and they're like erased off his face
00:47:30
it's a oh that sent a chill down my spine again yeah it's very very unsettling but it was a very specific
00:47:35
thing about him that he would put that mirror under there and take photos because he liked having all the angles
00:47:40
that's disgusting yeah so the discoveries in his home were enough for an arrest warrant obviously I say so and
00:47:47
on May 29th Jerry brutos was arrested for the murders of Karen sprinker and Linda Sally since he had become a
00:47:54
suspect two weeks earlier technically Jer had been under constant surveillance they were not letting him just walk
00:47:59
around that's good and he was picked up after and this is interesting after officers pulled ralphine over while she
00:48:06
was driving his wife and found Jerry hidden under a blanket in the back of the car huh and what they believed was
00:48:15
that he was attempting to flee the state yeah she she was helping him out that's
00:48:20
that's interesting um a few days later on June 2nd two additional murder charges were
00:48:26
added for the murders of Linda Slawson and Jan Whitney as well as a charge for assault while armed with a dangerous
00:48:33
weapon related to the attempted kidnapping of the 15-year-old we uh victim uhhuh she had identified brutos
00:48:40
as the man who tried to abduct her good for her good girl on June 4th the grand jury indicted Jerry for the murder of
00:48:47
Karen to which he entered a plea of Not Guilty by reason of insanity you're gross but not insane yep the judge on
00:48:54
the case Val sloper accepted the plea but ordered that Jerry had to undergo psychiatric examination before
00:49:01
proceeding with the case cuz he was like okay you want to claim that you're insane get me some experts that agree
00:49:05
with you right so in a statement to the Press um Jerry's lawyer Dale Drake told reporters that he expected the trial to
00:49:13
begin sometime within the following four to six months because they were going to
00:49:16
have to gather all that um but at the same time district attorney Gary gortmaker was holding off on pursuing an
00:49:24
indictment for the other three murders because he didn't didn't want to be forced to reveal the details of those
00:49:29
cases to the defense right during like the trial prep uhhuh for the Karen sprinker case during Discovery Now by
00:49:36
mid June the evidence against Jerry Brutus had been piling up so it seemed very unlikely that he was going to get
00:49:42
away with murder yeah uh in addition to the photographs and women's clothing investigators had discovered additional
00:49:48
evidence indicating that at least two of the murders those of Jan Whitney and Linda Sally had occurred in Jerry's Home
00:49:55
right like at least those two had been murdered in his home in there yeah um and the manner of the deaths were listed
00:50:01
as and this just gave me like was very chilling to me the manners of death were listed as hands rope and strap oh I
00:50:06
don't like hands is really upsetting under the circumstances and believing he could successfully use an insanity
00:50:13
defense Jerry began providing detective stoval with details of the crimes because he was thinking well I'm going
00:50:19
to blead Insanity who cares uh and he was careful to Omit certain pieces of incriminating evidence like the location
00:50:26
of Linda laon's body cuz they had not found Linda yet um he did this under the mistaken assumption that they couldn't
00:50:34
charge him with her murder if they couldn't find her body which we know is incorrect correct uh when he wasn't
00:50:40
meeting with his lawyers or detectives he was spending a lot of time with any of the seven State psychiatrists
00:50:46
assigned to the case by the state wow in general they observed what they described as quote a man who was
00:50:51
agitated in tense could not sit still for an interview but Rose frequently to start stried around the interview room
00:50:58
and when he was cooperative the evaluating psychiatrist found him to be affable and talkative saying that he
00:51:05
spoke with grandiosity and immaturity and peppered his conversations with unnecessary details a Chuck cuz he's a
00:51:11
lying sack of [ __ ] the doctors also noted that Jerry seemed to demonstrate an appropriate range of emotional
00:51:17
responses when discussing most subjects except when he talked about the deaths of the victims and he said they
00:51:25
said during they all said during that time he showed no emotion at all that's really scary totally human except when
00:51:33
he was speaking about the deaths of them where he didn't give a [ __ ] in fact in
00:51:38
one case he called I believe it was Linda Sally he referred to her as as inconsequential to him as a candy
00:51:46
rapper what the [ __ ] and the fact that he can't even it seems like he can't even pretend to care no and he makes and
00:51:53
he makes no attempt to he's just like no I don't care so dark yeah and he said he told them I act the
00:52:02
way I do because everybody takes advantage of me and that's how he described why he was such a violent
00:52:08
Predator that's not true and it was clear you take advantage of it was clear to the evaluating psychiatrist that his
00:52:15
behavior stemmed from his very bad and very abusive relationship with his mother in particular yeah but as far as
00:52:22
Jerry was concerned he attacked and killed women because his wife couldn't meet his his sexual needs okay he said
00:52:29
she won't dress up like the other women do and that makes me feel sorry for myself makes you feel sorry for yourself
00:52:36
also like hey there's this thing called divorce and there's also this thing called there's many other women on this
00:52:42
planet so like if that's a kink that you have talk about it before you get married to somebody and like figure that
00:52:50
whole part of yourself out and just the fact that when someone says and then it made me feel sorry for myself gross
00:52:58
completely negated whatever statement you made before that I don't give a [ __ ]
00:53:01
it made me feel sorry for myself shut the [ __ ] up well it's also just another way to blame another woman of course
00:53:06
like I'm mad it's women's fault I'm mad at her for trying to you know drive him past state lines but I am also sorry for
00:53:14
her for that for like what the [ __ ] he's just always trying to blame a woman anybody else and in his evaluation
00:53:20
report to the prosecution Dr Guy parash summarized Jerry as follows in psychiatric examination he was
00:53:29
obviously anxious agitated and depressed he cried frequently saying he was sick and that he could not have help
00:53:36
throughout the detailed discussion of his crimes he appeared very preoccupied emotionally detached and quite certain
00:53:42
that these things had to be done nope they didn't in general I did not find any evidence of a psychotic process or
00:53:49
evidence of perp perceptual disturbances his cognitive processes are very wellmaintained and he he was able able
00:53:56
to give details of past and recent events he shows poor and faulty social Jud judgment and certainly has no
00:54:03
insight into the basic his basic emotional problems it is my clinical opinion that Mr brutos understands the
00:54:10
nature of the charges against him and can assist in his own defense this man has a paranoid disorder and his behavior
00:54:16
is a product of that disorder yeah despite this I believe he can differentiate between what is morally
00:54:22
and socially right and wrong 100% all the other examining psychiatrists had basically the same opinion and you said
00:54:29
there was like seven total seven of them they all noted that while Jerry did appear to meet the diagnostic criteria
00:54:35
for a psychotic disorder he was certainly capable of knowing that his behavior and perspectives were socially
00:54:40
unacceptable and in certain cases criminally unacceptable right also at least one of the psychiatrists Dr George
00:54:46
suckow noted that on all three occasions Mr that Mr brutos has requested psychiatric help in his life he has been
00:54:54
in difficulty with the law so as he saw it Jerry was Savvy enough to use his psychiatric history to his
00:55:01
benefit y citing his a mental illness whenever he was in trouble that's pretty Savvy that is however he also wrote
00:55:08
though he does describe some rather elaborate fantasies of a sadistic nature towards women in particular none of
00:55:14
these is extensive enough or involved enough to qualify in my opinion as being delusional since he clearly understands
00:55:21
that they are not real yeah now in simple terms Jerry brutos may have been a violent sex offender and murderer who
00:55:27
saw himself as being above the standards of others but he was well aware of what
00:55:31
he was doing and when he committed the murders that he was charged for he was fully he knew what was going on he knew
00:55:38
what he was wrong he was fine with it right and in fact several of the psychiatrists who evaluated him
00:55:43
diagnosed him with an antisocial personality disorder and noted that there was no known treatment for such
00:55:49
individuals so um in George Sucka wrote in the convoluted medical ease of the psychiat
00:55:57
Jerome Henry brutos was quite sane and eminently dangerous in the language of the man on the street he was a monster
00:56:04
he would always be a monster he certainly is so he's saying this guy is a monster and he can never be cured this
00:56:11
is who he is and you cannot rehabilitate him you just wonder like what's missing
00:56:17
what like what piece is missing something I think the more we see these things the more I am convinced
00:56:26
childhood is so so vital to who you become something gets broken in a very specific Way by a very specific set of
00:56:37
treatments or or situations that you are in when you are in a perfect state of of
00:56:42
development I don't even know if it's just that though because that happens and people turn out fine but that's what
00:56:49
I mean I think it has to be a perfect storm I think it has to be at a certain I think we don't know what that one spot
00:56:57
in development is that if you [ __ ] it up you're [ __ ] I wonder I think we can't
00:57:02
pinpoint it yet well I wonder if it's like you it's so hard to like like articulate
00:57:08
but I wonder if it's that but also like if not everybody has that thing that you
00:57:14
can [ __ ] up you know what I mean like I I feel like they have like the the people like this who do things like this
00:57:20
like Jerry brutos did there's got to be something in them already like I truly believe that there's got to be something
00:57:27
innately wrong with you from the jump that then I I I'm I feel like I'm a pretty firm believer that it's nature
00:57:34
and nurture I AG at the same timee I agree I think I mean when you look at his mother any mother who can actively hurt
00:57:47
their child yeah and like neglect their child and show that and like abuse their
00:57:53
child and you know sh tell them basically that they're not worth what the other child is there's something
00:57:59
broken in that person oh absolutely and it's like so obviously something could absolutely be in there biologically and
00:58:07
genetically that's just broken right but you wonder where it all starts like what
00:58:12
does it how far back does that not only do yeah not only do I wonder how far back that starts but what is that piece
00:58:18
yeah and I I wish there was like I feel like someday we will figure it out we need to like follow a line yeah
00:58:26
and you need like first deter where where you see these little bits and pieces of things to deter what is this
00:58:34
coming through the maternal side paternal side is it both does it matter it does it skip a generation does it go
00:58:40
every three generations that you see this is it every generation and I feel like there's got to be some kind of like
00:58:45
stimulus where like or like stimuli where something like one part of the brain connects with another part that
00:58:52
it's not supposed to given a certain yeah some pathway that is disrupted or is bifurcated or created you know like
00:59:03
something is happening yes I just want to know what it is it makes it because it's like and obviously
00:59:09
if we knew what it was we could stop these things from happening before they happen happen well and I just wonder
00:59:15
like how many studies are being done on incarcerated serial killers because I think like I'd be happy to [ __ ] fund
00:59:22
that just to find out for real like I would love to be able I just want to see and it's something to look into and I
00:59:28
think we should look into like what ex what studies are being currently done on this kind of stuff yeah let's look into
00:59:33
that a little bit maybe follow up in the next cou in like the what are we looking
00:59:38
at well there's there's got to be some psychology behind this all and there's got to be some there pychology there's
00:59:47
physiology there's I feel like there's so many things happening but's a lot of work for
00:59:52
sure there's got to be some common denominator thre that just we that no one's been able to find because it's
01:00:00
like finding a thread in a Haack you know we need to gather like three to five [ __ ] monsters and just study the
01:00:10
[ __ ] out of their brains while they're still living you know it would be a very
01:00:14
hard study to conduct it would be a very hard study that's the thing like I it' be dangerous I'm sure but but I'm just
01:00:21
in there's got to be something and I just I just want to know what it is this kind of stuff is fascinating it is it
01:00:26
really is cuz like we always said like they're not always from a home like this you know no or there's there's things
01:00:32
that I mean there's things that I hear in certain stories that I can relate to and I'm like I I'm not a serial killer
01:00:37
you know exactly that's why I think it's just there's got to be a perfect storm of things that once it all meets it's
01:00:44
like all the boxes get ticked and an explosion happens yeah and I I don't know my brain is just really rambling
01:00:53
now because I'm also like why is it more often men then like obviously there are
01:00:57
women serial killers but it's so it's it doesn't happen as often so is it something within like within chromosomes
01:01:05
possibly what could this be they're just just I just want to know about the science I know it's just like it really
01:01:10
is and he's really one of those like cuz you're just like what the [ __ ] you are
01:01:14
just a straight up monster yeah but then you look at his background and you're like yeah some shitty things going on in
01:01:20
there but then you go back to that whole thing of like a lot of people have shitty upbringings yeah I find him to be
01:01:25
really similar to Ted Bundy yeah especially with like the necrofilia like that kind of thing like but then he's
01:01:31
got like Hillside stranglers in there yeah definitely he's got some BTK in there yep definitely he's got and that's
01:01:39
the thing you look at all these what the [ __ ] going on yeah what's going on with all you and he was before BTK right
01:01:46
yeah yeah I mean I think BTK was like killing at that point but yeah not caught he was in the 70s yeah so he
01:01:52
wasn't going yet wasn't going yet this was 69 he was just about to start so by mid
01:01:58
June Jerry had entered similar plays of Not Guilty by reason of insanity in the indictments for the murders of Jan
01:02:04
Whitney and Linda Sally but by the time the psychiatric evaluations started uh flowing in it was clear that uh he was
01:02:11
not going to have anything to back that up definitely no expert Witnesses no testimony no evidence no digity so he
01:02:18
had no choice but to change his police on June 27th 1969 just 3 days before his trial for the murder of Karen spring ER
01:02:26
Jerry changed his plea to guilty on all three counts of murder there it is at the time the prosecution didn't have
01:02:32
enough evidence to get an indictment for the murder of Linda Slawson oh that's sad so that charge was dropped that
01:02:37
always makes me so sad when like you know he did it but they just can't get like the official amount yeah when judge
01:02:44
sloper asked for confirmation defense attorney Dale Drake said the defense had exhausted every legal remedy for
01:02:51
providing BR brutos with a defense and he added the states evidence tallied with statements by made by brutos to his
01:02:57
defense team so when sloper addressed brutos directly and asked why he was changing his plea Jerry said well uh
01:03:04
because I did it whoa that was his answer simple as that he waved his right to to a delay
01:03:11
between conviction and sentencing as well so judge sloper imposed three life sentences each running consecutively
01:03:18
putting brutos in jail for the rest of his life good on July 28th just one month after he was sentenced the body of
01:03:24
Jane Whitney was discovered tied to a piece of railroad iron submerged in the willamet river that same day the
01:03:32
prosecutor's office released a statement to the Press saying although he had confessed they would not be pursuing a
01:03:38
case against brutos for the Mur murder of Linda Slawson they said we have no substantiation so they just were having
01:03:44
trouble getting the pieces together he confessed to it unfortunately and this is really heartbreaking Linda Slawson
01:03:52
remains were never recovered an brutos refused to tell investigators where he had disposed of her body what a douche
01:04:00
so the sentences handed down to Jerry brought a lot of relief especially to women in Oregan right um as well as for
01:04:08
the families of the victims but many were very concerned though because the sentences still allowed for parole
01:04:14
parole I was just thinking that yeah under the terms of his sentence Jerry could be eligible for perole in as
01:04:20
little as 10 years wow um and that after receiving three life sentences contingent upon the adjustment he makes
01:04:27
during the interim is what it said in response to the community's concerns Oregon parole board chairman Jack wisman
01:04:34
released a statement saying there there'll be a continual study of the case over the course of his imprisonment
01:04:40
to evaluate his Threat Level before parole could even be considered which we like that's basically I think his Threat
01:04:45
Level is pretty [ __ ] High guys you need to continue Threat Level Midnight at all times um and he said there must
01:04:53
be sufficient learning adjustment emotional social and psychological on the part of brutos before he would be a
01:05:00
proper candidate for serious parole even consideration damn so that's nice but still the idea of it is still scary and
01:05:07
those families were probably freaking the [ __ ] out of course as it happened Jerry brutos became a model prisoner
01:05:13
once he started serving his sentence he joined several programs he even took on a clerical job at the Oregon State
01:05:20
Penitentiary but he did remain a target for the other prisoners particularly those who targeted sex offenders and
01:05:28
sexual Killers including one incident in 1978 when he was stabbed a lot by a fellow inmate I just Liv a lot a lot but
01:05:36
he lived unfortunately uh throughout his nearly four decades in prison Jerry was
01:05:41
considered for parole a number of times but each time he was denied that must have just been gutr made them go through
01:05:48
the families all had to go through it over and over right cuz that's a lengthy process it's not like they just like you
01:05:52
know God the the number that must have done in their nervous system to be in fight or flight for that like
01:05:59
on end and just wondering how long until the next one in June 1995 after repeated
01:06:05
parole hearings the board informed Jerry brutos he was no longer eligible for parole due to his complete inability to
01:06:12
show considerable evidence of Rehabilitation they said to this is the state board chair Marva Fabian told him
01:06:19
you will be in prison for the rest of your life and there will be no future parole hearings icon oh but did try to
01:06:26
appeal before the parole board every two years despite them saying this and despite never demonstrating even an
01:06:33
ounce of remorse for his crimes it's like that's all you have to do yeah now I'm glad he was incapable yeah on March
01:06:40
28th 2006 Jerry brutos died in the infirmary at the Oregon State Penitentiary after a long and terrible
01:06:48
battle with liver cancer Karma his death was a big relief to many of the victim's
01:06:54
families who lived with an anxiety that you just never know that they're going to let him out for something uh Jan
01:07:00
Whitney's sister Cindy Elliot told a reporter I'm feeling relief you hate to say you're glad that someone is dead but
01:07:06
my family believes it should have happened years ago and to that I say [ __ ] yeah it should have here and you
01:07:12
don't have to feel bad at all nope he took your your loved one [ __ ] that guy and he was a blight on Humanity so and
01:07:19
continue to terrorize your poor family I don't think she should feel bad one bit
01:07:23
you wouldn't tell people where like Linda SL family never had her body to bury never had her anything of hers to
01:07:30
say goodbye to abely devastating yeah he did it it was his last little Power Trip
01:07:35
he could take and he took it to the Grave [ __ ] that guy unreal what a douchebag what a wild story I never I
01:07:42
don't know if I knew all the details of that to be honest he's really bad yeah like he's really
01:07:49
bad one yeah yeah he's a piece of [ __ ] yeah and I'm glad he's dead and we're glad to be rid of him yeah bye rest in
01:07:58
distress Jerry truly don't rest at all no be tormented for the rest of your life yeah your afterlife yeah wow thanks
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