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hey weirdos I am Ash and I am Elena and this is morbid [Music] [Music] this is you got it we are crazed individuals
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today just last minute holiday shopping oh my [ __ ] God yeah consumerism man yeah and by the time you guys are
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hearing this it's well over and you're probably like you're like why are you holiday shopping people are like
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twitching in their cars they're like no we have like 365 more days until we have
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to do that again honestly I'm gonna start 365 days like I'm gonna start 364 days that's the thing I always say I'm
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gonna be early and I was slightly early a little bit this time but then I've I teetered off like I started strong and
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then I just everything got chaotic and at the end I just [ __ ] myself like this Christmas I don't know what I was
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do well I know what I was gonna say I know what you're doing it's just been a lot it's been a busy busy second half of
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the year for us so yeah I think the uh the holidays just uh they just compounded on top of it yeah Drew's like
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I got you this much and I was like what what did you do return some of that what
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you mean I don't have that I don't have that much for you I don't have that but then I I thought that last night and
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then I came here and I've hidden some presents here and I was like oh [ __ ] yeah that's three of those you forgot
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like one pretty one significant present diesel present yeah and then another one is coming after Christmas
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and I'm so teo'd because um it's it's Drew's big present so Seth Rogen I have a bone to pick with you no
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not actually it's my own fault for ordering it Lee I don't have a bone to care for you I would never have a bone
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to pick with Seth Rogen I love that man's who doesn't you know probably people that suck I guess I mean
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there's people who hate everybody so yeah yeah yeah yeah you know well yeah so that's here we are that's that
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speaking of hate yeah yeah let's get it I hate the man in this story yeah so there you go that was a
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good segue perfect let's start we're going not in the way back machine but we're we're going back to the early Ops
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we're going to ashtastic early OTS hell yeah hell yeah on February 12 2007 2007.
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I was gonna say 2007 but that sounded weird but that's where our Story begins and on that day a frantic Toronto collar
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was on the phone with 9-1-1 begging for help the man on the line was 35 year old
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Christopher little and he was explaining to the dispatcher that there was a dead
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woman hanging from the rafters in his garage oh my God and he had no idea who this woman was what and then as he
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walked into his home things only got worse he made his way to the bedroom he shared with his estranged wife Julie
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Crocker and discovered her dead as well having been brutally murdered what the [ __ ] she was lying on the bathroom floor
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excuse me lying on the bedroom floor next to the bed with her throat cut open viciously oh my God nearly to the point
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of decapitating he immediately assumed that whoever the stranger was hanging in the garage had
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done this to his wife and then done that to herself afterwards and he explained that theory when police arrived on scene
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oh what it I arriving home to find a stranger hanging in your garage can you don't imagine that but I cannot like
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what that's you would see that on TV like on a crazy TV show and be like that's what that would never have too
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much no it was an unbelievable scene to walk into for any party yeah but once investigators did they immediately had
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questions oh while Chris little was convinced he knew what happened trained investigators felt
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that there was something off here not only with his story but also with the crime scene because the first thing that
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raised eyebrows on scene was the fact that Chris had no idea who this woman was that seemed very likely yeah excuse
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me he seemed very unlikely yeah and the way she was found also raised on the eyebrows because the woman was
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discovered not only with a rope around her neck but around her ankles as well huh that's pretty unusual in a typical
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case of suicide yeah then they found out that the relationship between the two dead woman women excuse me and Chris
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little was also incredibly complicated and that this woman in the garage wasn't necessarily the stranger that Chris had
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made her out to be within hours her story was starting to crumble and he and investigator or his story was starting
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to crumble around him excuse me I can't talk about that and investigators were pretty sure that this man who had quote
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unquote stumbled upon this scene and called 9-1-1 he was their killer now let's get back to the 9-1-1 call it
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came in from 95 Larkin Avenue in Markham at 3 25 a.m again on February 12 2007 and the York Regional Police and
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paramedics were on the scene within seven minutes they were ready to go first on the scene was Constable Michael
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mulville and when he arrived he discovered the body of Paula Menendez in the garage
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only she wasn't hanging from the rafters anymore her body was laid halfway in the
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back seat of Chris Little's SUV what the SUV had been partially backed into the garage and was still actually running
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when the officers arrived which you know made sense because he had gotten stumbled upon the scene got out of the
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car ran home okay I can see why they are still running sure movil noted that menendez's lips and
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skin were blue and her eyes were dilated direct quote when he checked for a pulse
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there was none to be found and as he continued searching through the garage in the exterior of the home his partner
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Constable Stephanie Hunter was inside Hunter immediately found Christopher little standing at the top of the stairs
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still actually on the phone with 9-1-1 but once he saw that the police had arrived he hung up uh with the
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dispatcher and led Constable Stephanie Hunter to the bed bedroom excuse me where 33 year old
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Julie Crocker was he told the officer that he had actually moved Julie from the bed to the floor and had attempted
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CPR at the 911 dispatchers request so when he got home she was actually on the bed oh and he discovered her and then he
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moved her to the floor to do CPR okay he also let this officer know that their two young daughters were home and had
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been during the murder murders oh my God luckily the children were taken from the
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home quickly before they were able to see anything it doesn't appear that they woke up at any time during this do you
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know how old they were they were younger I want to say that they were like two and four oh so like little they were
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little little girls um but luckily they didn't see anything and they were young enough to the point
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where they didn't really understand what was happening yeah because they were and
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they were sleeping it seems and they were sleeping yeah they were taken to stay with Julie's relatives until the
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detectives could figure out everything with Chris okay now once the scene was surveyed the detective sat down with him
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and wanted to get his whole story yeah Chris told them that he and his wife were actually in the process of getting
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divorced red flag number one oh yeah and that they were sharing the home where she'd been discovered he arrived home
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just before 3 30 that morning and immediately discovered Paula though again he said he said he did not know
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this woman by name he said that he once he found her he cut her down in an attempt to revive her and that was why
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she was laid in the back seat when police arrived okay when he was unable to revive her he said
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he ran inside and found his wife called 9-1-1 attempted CPR as he was instructed
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to do so and they knew the rest when asked again if he was sure that he did not know who this woman in the
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garage was he told the investigators no he did not story was strange yeah why would he
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start Reviving a stranger before he knew that his wife estranged or not and two little kids were okay yeah you found
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this woman in your garage and you're immediately like oh let me tend to this woman who I don't know who I don't know
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why she's here and what's going on but my wife and children are in the house and let me not check on them but take
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care of this yes that I'm sorry that's not going to be your first day that wouldn't be my first instinct I can tell
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you that I don't think that would be many people's first instinct I think most people would run into the home and
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make sure that their family was okay yeah I would say so but that's just my opinion yeah
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but according to the Canadian criminal code investigators had to obtain a warrant before they searched the house
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and carried out a forensic analysis on the victims so while they waited they sat up and set up a command post nearby
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and they continued questioning Chris he only explained more about the living situation and how he and Julie were
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sharing the home during their separation as they both kind of figured out where to go separately from the sounds of it
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it seemed like whoever had the kids stayed at home with them to kind of keep their routine normal okay while the
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other person stayed at an apartment or in Julie's case possibly with her boyfriend Rick okay now once they
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obtained the search warrant to search Chris and Julie's home they found out the identity of the woman in the garage
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officially 34 year old Paula Menendez they would soon learn that she was actually somewhat connected to Julie and
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Chris Paula and this is a little convoluted so Paula was the ex-wife of Julie Crocker's
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new boyfriend Rick Ralph okay got it yep so was what Chris was saying true had Paula in some kind of fit of rage or
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jealousy broke into Julian Chris's home to exact her revenge on Julie and then because she was so distraught ended her
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own life in the garage probably not police had seen crazier scenarios play out but still something about this
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situation was telling them instinctually to look harder into Chris yeah I yeah I
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guess I could see that being the case they were thinking but something about it was just too messy yeah it's like you
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can sit there and say yeah like that is a that scenario has played out probably billions of times yeah unfortunately in
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some kind of way some kind of roundabout way but like even just listening to that scene are
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from from over here I'm like um I don't know about that yeah it's just his reactions are bothering me
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they're strange they will only get stranger oh good so the more and more they learned about the victims as the
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interviewing more and more and the more validated they started to feel and their
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suspicions of Chris as the day went on though Paula and Rick had ended their marriage they learned that things ended
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pretty amicably and it was actually Paula who had initiated the divorce months earlier oh wow she wasn't happy
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that things had ended how they had but she knew that it was the right decision for the both of them Julian Chris had
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also ended their marriage a few months before and Chris was telling the detectives that their split was also
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amicable but the police weren't so sure and while they were learning more and more about the people involved in this
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case they were only coming up with more questions number one why would Paula who
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initiated a divorce from her husband only become jealous and violently arranged enraged when he started dating
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Julie if she was the one to initiate the divorce two why would she tie her own feet together
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before hanging herself yeah and that would make it hard and more importantly why wasn't she covered in blood if she
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had just cut a woman's throat yeah there was not a single drop of blood found on
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Paula yeah not a single drop three one of the weirdest aspects of all of this what was Chris little doing at his
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estranged wife's home at three o'clock in the morning if it was her time to be at the house what the hell was he doing
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there at witching hour yeah why was he there that's possibly the best point he's the one were you just shutting up
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he's the one sitting there saying like we split our time with the kids and and share the house you arrived at three
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o'clock in the morning and we'll get into later on your kids are sleeping his explanation I'm not even going to
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tell it to you right now I gotta wait until we get there makes no [ __ ] sense yeah I bet it doesn't and that
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whole entire morning the way that he tries to reason it out I'm like you're cooked anyways number four Julian
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Chris's two children were home at the time but other than telling the responding officer that they were there
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he made no attempt to check on them himself and we know that's wild to me we know this since both girls were home one
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would think that they would have woken up from hearing some kind of a struggle and would have gone to their father when
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he got home or that when he arrived he would have checked on them I just I would have the first thing I would have
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done is check on the kids absolutely that would have been the first thought if something is awry in your home your
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first thought should be go to your kids and even if it's not your first thought like that to me but you know maybe you
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check on your wife first then you find her in that state and you still don't go check on your children yeah none of that
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makes sense if this stranger broke into your home to back some kind of Revenge on you and your wife would she not also
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exact that Revenge with your children maybe but like you've got to go check on them yeah you gotta go find out well we
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know neither of those things happened because everything that happened in the house from the time Chris called 9-1-1
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is recorded everything everything you can hear the dog barking you can hear officer Hunter's arrival you can hear
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the paramedics discussing Julie State not once did a child wake up and not once was a child checked on until the
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officers got there and did it themselves so with all that being said the primary
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theory in detectives Minds was that Chris little had kidnapped Paula and brought her back to he and Julie's home
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where he then killed both women and staged the scene to make it look like a murder-suicide holy [ __ ] how [ __ ]
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Bonkers that's so complex and the thought was that he was so enraged about his wife moving on to Rick Ralph that he
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was taking both women from Rick Jesus and the theory was only supported by the fact that there was a crumpled up photo
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of Julian Rick found next to Julie's body what which you could see that being like being the angry ex-wife being the
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angry ex-wife absolutely or him being the angry estranged husband yeah but it also goes it plays right into like he
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staged this of course because that's [ __ ] ridiculous yeah there was a secondary theory that Chris had intended
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to actually kill Rick and had gone to his home to kill him but didn't realize that Rick didn't live there anymore and
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when he found Paula he just kind of like switched gears wow I lean more toward the first Theory yeah honestly I lean
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more towards that too I think this was his plan all along was to get Paula and make it look like she had done this
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that's what I think I don't think I think he was trying to hurt Rick and I think he was trying to hurt these two
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women yeah because I think it was his perfect scenario which is everyone says hurt Rick but also make it so that it's
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a totally outside scenario from him and he's gone like you said everybody loses exactly so either way the very same day
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that Chris called 9-1-1 and everything had been discovered detectives were actually able to get a warrant for his
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arrest and that afternoon he was arrested on two counts of first degree murder wow I bet he never saw that
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coming so quickly sure did he had wrapped all that up yeah he hadn't at all and just wait until you hear the
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[ __ ] that was found and like boy I mean the fact that Paula didn't have any blood on her at all how did you think
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how did you not think that through I mean I'm glad you did it yeah but and also it's this is just such a wild
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scenario wild like two women like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you and these are
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young women they were 33 and 34 for and like at least one of them is a mother to
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young children like the mother of your young children like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you what are you doing what
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are you doing Chris Watts seriously yeah [ __ ] this Chris [ __ ] this Chris and [ __ ]
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Chris Watts but the plan the plan didn't really work so at least there's that and
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as Chris was being arrested outside of the home neighbors actually stood by watching in shock and according to a
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Globe and Mail article quote one resident was overheard telling a neighbor I moved from Scarborough to get
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away from this crap oof like I love that sorry on your mind yeah geez how dare we
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wow now before we get into the rest of the Nitty Gritty I did obviously want to touch on both victims lives before they
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were taken by this abominable man yeah Chris and Julie had been married for 10 years before this oh my God and had
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actually pretty much known each other their entire lives because they broke they both grew up in Markham which is a
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city in Ontario we're in Canada uh Chris had grown up on a dairy farm and his father Barry actually used that
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farm to operate his small Dairy business Chris's family was pretty close-knit they were super involved in the
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community and Julie Crocker also grew up in a close-knit family she was one of three children to parents Judy and Jim
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and she was super close with her two sisters Stephanie and Jill and then together they were all super close with
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their cousins and extended family during the Summers the sisters would spend months in Vermont with their aunt uncle
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and cousins I love this it sounds like our family like how close we all are with like cousins and everything
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Julie had started dating Chris in high school they were both students at Markham District High
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and when they both graduated Julie went off to the University of Western Ontario
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but they actually stayed a couple while she was at college and made things work long distance
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when she was finished with college she and Chris married in 1997 and for a while they both just wanted to separate
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a focus on their separate careers Julie got a job in 2002 with Rogers media which was a an is a toronto-based sports
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media and brand consultancy and she worked in ad sales one year later in 2003 she became a mom
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and the couple became parents to their first daughter and a year later they would have a second daughter
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in addition to all of that Julie and Chris were also very involved volunteers for the Markham Fair which used to be
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organized by Chris's father Barry so this has like such a small town feel to it it really does it's one of the
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country's oldest fares actually and Julie was so dedicated to everything she could do for it everyone remembered her
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in every aspect of life as quote a devoted diligent and hard-working team player who touched so many lives in so
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many ways they said whether it was getting through school raising her two children or the volunteer work she did
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she gave everything her all and Paula Menendez was also from Markham and had grown up there she'd actually
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originally been born in Argentina and had a twin sister Carolina as well as an older sister Claudia their parents were
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Monica and Jaime Menendez and their family was also Incredibly Close Monica and Jamie actually wanted to move their
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family to Canada while the kids were still so young to escape the violence going on in Argentina wow which only
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makes this case all the more tragic Paula and Julie had drive as a commonality after Paula graduated from
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college she got a job as a physiotherapist and went on to work for pivot physiotherapy Clinic all of her
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co-workers were obsessed with her like she was beloved to everybody's life that she touched they said she was not only a
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skilled worker but a wonderful person who quote loved to laugh she loved jokes and she had a laugh that was completely
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infectious oh it just always makes me so sad so senseless yeah like the these two
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murders it really is these were both like beautiful involved in their Community bright kind caring like what
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have gone on to do such incredible things because they already had been yeah incredible exactly
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now it was in 2003 that Paula got married and as she met Anne got married to Rick Ralph but their relationship had
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issues from the jump after just two months of being married they were already growing apart and Rick
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had actually already started an affair with a woman at work the affair went on for years and by 2005 Paula and Rick
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were in couples therapy desperately trying to make things work and doing their best to save their marriage boy it
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took about a year of trying but they really weren't making much Headway and things weren't in a desirable place so a
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harbor a heartbroken Paula suggested that they separate and by the fall of 2006 they were officially divorced
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she was really sad about it and he was too but I for her it was like he was cheating on her first of all and she was
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like I don't want to be in a marriage with somebody that doesn't want to be here yeah like I'm not gonna keep him
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here if he doesn't want to be here I would love to be here and I would love to be a part of this marriage but not in
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this state yeah of course I understand that so they split amicably like I said and they still seem to have love for
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each other I think it was one of those things where they loved each other but they weren't in love anymore yeah but
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the divorce hit Paula harder than she actually thought it would her dream in life was to get married start her own
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family and open her own physiotherapy business and now in some ways she was back to square one
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but Paula wasn't one to let life beat her down and she knew she was still young and had plenty of time to achieve
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the goal she'd set for herself yeah and in the months leading up to her death she actually was starting to date again
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kind of starting to get out there trying her best to move on getting her groove back and just before she was killed she
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actually got a new tattoo to kind of represent this change in her life she got a butterfly that was supposed to
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signify her new beginning and how strong and resilient she was metamorphosis just
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like a butterfly I love that now you have Hilary Duff song stuck in my head there you go now heading back into the
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investigation this shit's gonna get Wilder and Wilder as we go as the pathologist examined Paula's body
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it was clear that she had not taken her own life as Chris little intended to make it look Dr Toby Rose listed Paula's
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cause of death as ligature strangulation oh meaning somebody else had placed the
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Rope around her neck in his report Dr Rose noted that the position of the ligature mark on Paula's neck suggested
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that she'd been strangled saying quote in a classical self-hanging a ligature Mark is higher up under the chin rather
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than straight across the voice box because the gravity pulls you down exactly which was where the mark on
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Paula was found straight across her voice box yeah that literally like physics doesn't make sense exactly she
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had very clearly been killed before she was hanged from those Rafters which is so terrific so dark and there were a
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multitude of bruises on her body all over her hands and wrists the back of her legs and thighs suggesting that
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she'd been handled quite aggressively Dr Rose's conclusion was that she'd been murdered and the scene was staged
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there was no question obviously as to how Julie Crocker died but the pathologist still had to carry out an
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examination of her body too it's just the way things yeah of course it was confirmed that her cause of death was an
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over 10 inch long quote deep ragged and irregular cut to the neck which started near her left ear and ended near her
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right collarbone oh my God yeah yeah Dr Rose said the cut was so deep that there
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was quilt really only skin left uncut at the back of the neck she was nearly decapitated like he literally just
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didn't get the skin in the back oh my God he said that there was quote extensive damage to the trachea internal
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muscles and cartilage the Carotid artery and jugular vein and both lobes of the thyroid gland the esophagus and even the
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cervical vertebrae wow like he what did he use a jagged knife oh like a hunting knife Jagged knife my God and in
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addition to her throat being slashed there were also superficial wounds to the left side of her face and defensive
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sharp force injuries to her face to her neck and to her hands oh my God this was
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brutal for both women when the forensic technicians process the crime scene there was not much
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evidence found within the home the detectives Knew by this point that the scene had been staged but actually the
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lack of blood evidence outside of the bedroom where Julie had been discovered only proved to their point more so it's
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kind of beneficial that there wasn't blood everywhere absolutely and it's like he lives in this house part-time
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exactly it's like they would be hard and has for years and years and years he knows this place I just happen to look
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up pictures of them because I like to see who beautiful beautiful and there's a picture of them on their wedding day
00:28:25
and I'm just looking at it and I'm like how does that how does that go from that
00:28:29
to that my brain can't compute this kind of stuff more like you marry someone no
00:28:34
and then this hat like never I think about that so much more now but especially like planning a wedding
00:28:39
because so much love goes into that like the excitement and preparation and you stand before that person and choose them
00:28:47
forever no matter what and that's and then like you have babies together yeah and this like and this isn't like Crime
00:28:55
of Passion which is very like planned and this is like brutal almost decapitation like this is how do you do
00:29:03
that to someone that you love oh he did I don't understand that he did Terrible Things to this woman even in life oh
00:29:10
good terrible terrible things he was not a husband no I mean not a husband at all
00:29:15
yeah it's ridiculous but the lack of blood in this case was helpful because had Paula
00:29:21
been the one to murder Julie that savagely like I was saying earlier and then gone out to the garage one would
00:29:26
assume that there would be at least a little bit of blood on the path out to the garage and Paula would have been
00:29:32
covered yeah like I said she was not covered in blood and there was no blood evidence found in the garage yeah no the
00:29:40
only blood evidence outside of the bedroom came from hand prints that were left by Chris after he'd attempted CPR
00:29:46
yeah none of that makes sense no it makes no sense now luckily inside of the garage there was some evidence left
00:29:52
behind by the killer there were fragments of the Rope used to hang Paula still left on the Rafters and on the
00:29:58
floor near where her body was there was a pair of black gloves next to a knife which was the one used to kill Julie
00:30:05
remember those black gloves okay it was more what they didn't find that helped the investigators Chris was trying to
00:30:12
say Paula had killed his wife in a jealous rage but she didn't even look like she'd left her house intentionally
00:30:17
or with any kind of plan she actually looked like she'd left her home unexpectedly she was found wearing track
00:30:23
pants a hoodie and boots and a scarf but no underwear and she also had none of her personal belongings with her no
00:30:31
wallet no keys no cell phone not even her car so how did she get there wow not even
00:30:41
her car I say to you again they're trying he's seriously trying to pass this off how did she get with that major
00:30:48
major flaw she didn't bring her keys her wallet her cell phone nothing yeah nothing that makes sense but
00:30:54
unfortunately over at Paula's uh apartment there really wasn't much evidence to find there were no
00:31:00
Footprints no tire tracks that they could have tested against Chris little and there was really nothing in her home
00:31:06
to indicate a struggle which is interesting however there was evidence to suggest that somebody had left in a
00:31:12
hurry it seemed there was an unpacked bag of clothes in the master bedroom Paula's purse and her cell phone were
00:31:18
found on the main floor and in the basement they found us quote still damp wash in the washing machine as if
00:31:25
somebody had just thrown it on with the intention of switching it over yeah and Paula's car was found in the driveway
00:31:31
and interestingly the word suffer was found scratched onto its Hood it what yeah
00:31:39
oh how creepy is that oh that's so creepy was he I don't know if Chris was planning on doing something else with
00:31:47
her car and then like forgot or what yeah but it's like he did that clearly wow that's weird weird as hell yeah like
00:31:57
what was the thought process there I don't know if it was like he realized that it didn't make sense and and just
00:32:05
left her car there or and it's like they're gonna find that like of course they are they're gonna go to her you're
00:32:09
an idiot so throughout the search of Paula's home investigators also found her diary which contradicted Chris's
00:32:15
theory that she was an enraged jealous lover I'm not going to read directly from it there are quotes out there but I
00:32:20
don't want to read directly from somebody's diary that feels weird yeah I feel that but the diary painted a
00:32:25
picture of a woman who was reacting completely appropriately to the end of her relationship in early October Paula
00:32:31
wrote about losing Rick and how hard that was and the following weeks though the entry or in the following weeks the
00:32:37
entries were similar but however by January which was about four months after they split up she seemed hopeful
00:32:43
and she wrote that there were of course moments of sadness but that she was starting to feel better and really
00:32:48
didn't have the same longing that she had yeah and it's like very normal going through it this is her her diary if
00:32:55
she's jealous she's gonna write about Julie Crocker she's gonna write how pissed off she is she's gonna write [ __ ]
00:33:02
this woman like all this stuff she is not one entry sound like that at all and it's like this is just normal like I'm
00:33:09
going through it and here's my thoughts and here's the grief process yeah exactly I'm feeling better exactly she
00:33:14
even wrote about how she'd started dating again yeah Paula was a future oriented person she wasn't obsessed with
00:33:20
the past no even in her most private and personal moments she wasn't showing any
00:33:25
signs of being jealous and hadn't even mentioned Julian Rick's relationship yeah so she's just moving on now among
00:33:32
some of the more damning evidence found and sent off to the technical technological crimes unit was Chris
00:33:37
Little's work computer oh boy just two days before Julie and Paula were killed Chris made a search for Paula's home
00:33:45
address on his computer why would you do that he also looked up photos and saved one
00:33:53
of a banner for Paula's home place based Clinic all in one Physiotherapy and saved an image of a MapQuest route to
00:34:03
Paula's home what the [ __ ] yeah these were all found on like the temporary image cachet part of the computer for my
00:34:11
techies out there yeah can't delete that [ __ ] nothing is deleted forever the cloud exists I don't even know where it
00:34:16
is Jessica ask Casey Anthony yeah now this next bit of evidence is [ __ ] wild after interviewing Rick Ralph and
00:34:27
Friends connected to each victim investigators learned that Chris little had been testing Julie's clothes for
00:34:34
semen using a it's called a Checkmate infidelity kit are you [ __ ] kidding me no I'm for real evidence was found
00:34:42
from the kit in the basement of Julian Chris's home and along with it this is a trigger warning for sexual assault they
00:34:51
found quote a wireless pinhole camera and a digital video that showed Mr little apparently sexually assaulting an
00:34:59
unconscious Julie Crocker what he was sexually assaulting his wife and had at least one video of it she's
00:35:08
unconscious in the video and this is like well before the murders yup like just in their lives this is what he's
00:35:14
doing yep he what the [ __ ] he must have drugged her and done this to her and I'm
00:35:18
sorry if you do that once that's not the only time you've done that no of course
00:35:21
it's not had they been able to look for more which they weren't and if that's the only time you did that no matter
00:35:26
what yeah bye get the [ __ ] out of here like you need to be behind bars like what they found [ __ ] and they found it
00:35:32
in the in the ceiling of the basement like hidden away oh my God this guy's a [ __ ] monster have you seen him yeah
00:35:39
he looks like him he does look like a monster his inside's very much reflect on the outside oh
00:35:45
wild oh my God that's awful [Music] and Rick told investigators that yes he was very much involved with Julie they'd
00:36:06
been dating for a few months at that point and they spent a lot of time at his apartment after she separated from
00:36:11
Chris like I said I think she spent nights there when it was Chris's turn to use their house yeah of course which
00:36:16
she's allowed to do they're yeah and she doesn't have an apartment yet no but where else is she gonna go yeah Rick
00:36:23
said that Chris hadn't exactly acted threateningly toward Julie when he was there like he never saw any instance of
00:36:29
that but he did seem to pop up pretty much any time Rick and Julie were out together anywhere they went Chris also
00:36:35
seemed to be there one night when they were spending the night at Julie's home Rick actually woke up to Chris shaking
00:36:42
his feet in their bedroom like him and Julie are asleep in her bedroom and Chris comes in
00:36:48
the house and wakes up by shaking his feet shaking his feet yeah yeah okay so uh Rick didn't wait around
00:36:58
to find out what the hell Chris was doing and why he was there he simply gathered up his stuff and got out of
00:37:03
there which that reaction says a lot yeah that says I'm I don't want to deal with this man I know where this is going
00:37:09
I've probably dealt with this before or something similar and I'm not doing it tonight well and he probably knew
00:37:14
there's kids in the house and I'm not gonna create it just create this huge disruption in the middle of the night
00:37:19
because this guy's a crazy person exactly he then dropped another bomb on investigators he and Julie had gone on
00:37:26
vacation together in St Lucia I think that's how you say that yeah and shortly before their trip Julie found a GPS
00:37:33
tracker on her car what the [ __ ] she believed obviously that Chris little had put it there which
00:37:40
explained how he was popping up everywhere she went with Rick he was stalking me yeah and stalking her
00:37:47
Chris's own therapist said that Chris had told her the day Julian Rick left on their trip to go to St Lucia was quote
00:37:55
the worst day of his life and later testified about that in court wow so for him to say that he was he later says
00:38:03
that like it was fine that she moved on and she made her choice and you know while I'm so upset about it I respect
00:38:08
her decisions it's like no you didn't no no you definitely you were checking her clothes
00:38:14
for semen first of all what the [ __ ] I didn't even know that was a thing it shouldn't be like infidelity kits that's
00:38:20
like for me like if if you're at that point yeah it's not working anymore you've sexually assaulted her and
00:38:29
videoed it and then hit it in your own home and now you're showing up wherever she
00:38:34
is I'm just astounded you're not you're not over this you're not over this woman
00:38:39
absolutely not not at all in the most unhealthy way one could be literally it's ridiculous that he would even claim
00:38:46
them no so detectives leaning more into their investigation of Chris then attempted to
00:38:51
track his movements on the night of the 9-1-1 call leading up to it this is where things really get interesting
00:38:57
they were able to find Surveillance footage from a gas station off of Highway 407 not far from their home
00:39:03
he's at the gas station at 2 A.M 80 minutes before he placed the 9-1-1 call and interestingly enough he's seen
00:39:11
wearing black gloves that looked identical to the ones found at the scene oh and he's deep cleaning his car oh at
00:39:20
2 am as one does yeah that's usually when you do that and the footage along with all
00:39:26
the other evidence that we've gone over LED them to being pretty confident that Chris little was their man yeah he
00:39:33
wasn't ready to accept that his marriage was over and wasn't willing to let anyone have Julie if he couldn't and
00:39:38
Paula unfortunately seemed to be collateral damage yeah I think it was just a more a punishment for Rick and
00:39:46
just again a piece to the puzzle that he thought he could get out of this exactly
00:39:51
it was his way of a double a double whammy yep now luckily like I said he was arrested the same day this happened
00:39:58
and he was arrested on two counts of first-degree murder and the pre-trial phase began on April 27 2009. the judge
00:40:06
overseeing the case did have some qualms with some of the evidence found unfortunately
00:40:11
Justice uh Michelle first claimed that Chris Little's rights had been violated when the York Regional Police searched
00:40:19
the basement of the home where they found the video of Chris assaulting Julie I'm sorry this stuff goes up my
00:40:24
ass too it's legal [ __ ] and it's called you know Constitution and all that stuff and
00:40:29
yeah but it's like I'm sorry from the sounds of it it was basically a technicality I don't know if
00:40:37
it was that the search warrant didn't include the basement but they had a warrant to search the house yeah so the
00:40:43
basement's part of the house and this man is drugging and assaulting his wife and videotaping it I think we can go you
00:40:49
know what that was probably good that we found that yeah but she she wouldn't let
00:40:54
it in there and I know that stuff like no one needs to explain it it's fine I understand what the whole thing is I get
00:40:59
it yeah yeah totally whatever but it just sucks but I'm just saying it sucks looking at it from not a law appointment
00:41:06
from an emotional point of view it sucks because now jurors weren't gonna know anything about this video's existed and
00:41:11
that's [ __ ] because that is very much who he is as a person and it should be involved in his trial and a huge part
00:41:17
of this case yeah if he's capable of drugging and sexually assaulting his own wife and videotaping it then he is very
00:41:24
much capable of murdering her and I think that should be included thank you but I understand that I can't because I
00:41:30
get it yeah yeah unfortunately she also would not allow interview testimony from several of
00:41:37
Paula's friends commenting on how optimistic she was in the weeks leading up to her death the judge's ruling on
00:41:42
this matter was with the defense when they argued that Paula made those comments to individuals who quote were
00:41:49
not someone with whom she had a history of discussing personal matters so basically because the prosecution
00:41:55
couldn't prove that Paula had deep conversations about her feelings with these people in the past there was no
00:42:01
way to prove that she was being truthful when she'd made positive comments that one is a whole bunch of [ __ ] in
00:42:07
my opinion that's that's a wild one it's just like yeah that's weird really around though yeah I mean all right like
00:42:14
okay sure cool so the jury selection was finished by late September of 2009 remember this
00:42:21
happened in 2007. this has been going on at this point for two years damn and the
00:42:25
trial started on the 23rd of September same year the co-prosecutor for the crown Michael dempser I believe that's
00:42:31
how you say it I did look it up I hope I'm saying it right he laid out his case in opening arguments telling the jury
00:42:37
that Christopher little killed his wife out of jealousy and then killed Paula to
00:42:42
frame her for Julie's murder he explained Chris could not accept that his marriage was over wouldn't accept
00:42:48
that Julie had moved on and he presented evidence to the jury showing that Chris
00:42:52
had been spying on Julie for several months and had been tracking her movements with her new boyfriend Rick
00:42:58
Ralph he was also able to find out and this was perfect he was able to find out and
00:43:03
tell the jury that Julie had been planning on fully moving out of the home during her last days and actually in the
00:43:10
days leading up to her murder had been looking at apartments oh so he argued that Julie's Independence and this step
00:43:18
to move even further from her strange estranged husband was the event that launched Chris into full-blown panic and
00:43:25
planning mode and his plan was to kill her so she couldn't get away from him I could see that boom the prosecution's
00:43:32
private theory was that Chris kidnapped Paula to murder her in the home and make
00:43:37
it look like she was the one to kill Julie because of the jealousy a lot of yeah do but demser knew he could prove
00:43:43
that and he knew he could prove this to the jury based on all the evidence but he also knew that this was a bit of a
00:43:49
confusing story to digest and that the jury might find the plot convoluted yeah so he was like you know I'm not sure if
00:43:56
that's the way I want to go so it's so crazy that you you have to think about that in these scenarios
00:44:02
the jury might not be able to handle the actual story right so we have to come up
00:44:07
with like we kind of a more palatable way to give it to them right because if there's a reasonable doubt going on then
00:44:12
you have to think about that right so instead of speculating on Chris's intentions or even his state of mind he
00:44:19
just wanted the jury to focus on evidence and he told them quote the police found a crumpled photograph of
00:44:24
her with Rick Ralph kissing in front of a pool in St Lucia Chris's therapist will testify that Chris told her the day
00:44:32
Julie left for St Lucia was the worst day of his life yeah later that day Rick Ralph was called to testify for the
00:44:39
prosecution and he told the jury about all of the times where Chris showed up while he and Julie were out with one
00:44:45
another he was able to talk about that GPS tracker that Julie had found on her car and that she knew was put there by
00:44:51
Chris so overall the prosecution was pretty successful in attempting to prove their case but of course we know the
00:44:58
defense still had their chance of course John Rosen was Chris Little's defense attorney and he told the jury that Chris
00:45:05
had been at his own home watching movies on the night of the murder mm-hmm yeah that's pretty unfortunate
00:45:12
for him because his TV cannot work for his Alibi like his TV's not gonna sit there and be like yeah he was at home
00:45:19
watching me they can't there's there's nobody can get it in there no they couldn't there's no one there to prove
00:45:24
that out loud except for you and I'm just gonna sit here and believe that and I bet in his mind it's like well nobody
00:45:29
can prove this but nobody can disprove it exactly he thought he was being slapped there the only reason the lawyer
00:45:35
said that Chris had even gone to the house in the first place this is ridiculous absolutely [ __ ] ridiculous
00:45:41
was because he needed some clothes for a work trip that he was going on the next
00:45:45
morning you know because 3am is a pretty normal time to pack your bag at your estranged Weiss house even though you
00:45:52
have the entire rest of the day to do so wow he just had to go there at 3am yeah
00:45:57
absolutely yeah that makes total sense and he also argued that his client had been on surveillance surveillance I can
00:46:03
never say that right I know it is hard to say it is he argued that that's he had been on the surveillance cleaning
00:46:07
the car because he was really just being thoughtful Julie was to use the car later that day and Chris just wanted to
00:46:14
make sure it was nice and tidy for her just being a good estranged husband so he was just like you know what let me go
00:46:18
clean this car at 2 A.M I just finished my movie I think that's a great way to do yeah yeah you because everybody
00:46:23
cleans their [ __ ] car at two in the morning yeah absolutely he argued that Paula was the real killer and that she
00:46:29
was quote A desperate jealous wife who killed her rival and then in despair hanged herself wow he focused on Paula's
00:46:37
diary which was an interesting choice because he said there was evidence within it that showed that Paula was
00:46:41
quote tormented by a failed relationship with a philandering husband and he told
00:46:46
the jurors that they might hear that Paula was moving on and maybe she was optimistic optimistic but really she was
00:46:52
quote in crisis and in turmoil and that the reason people thought she was being happy just came down to her
00:47:00
ability to put on a happy face wow yeah totally he said the happy face was how she was able to go out and drink
00:47:07
with her friends and party before she quote came home to the reality of her empty home on the day of the murders and
00:47:14
then was basically trying to say like she had gone out partying and drinking she came home she was upset she was
00:47:19
alone and she thought you know what let me go kill my husband's girlfriend my ex-husband
00:47:25
like that is it's so vile that they put these things on it is like it's so Vibe and I understand like you have a job to
00:47:33
do but sometimes the lengths that people will go to you're like yeah oh you're just like how do you I and I I again I
00:47:42
get it but it's like it's a job you got to do your job I think there's a certain
00:47:46
way to go about it without defiling a dead human just me personally could not get in the headspace to do that so I
00:47:53
could not do that job no I feel like I would be haunted yeah I just I don't think my brain would be able to like
00:47:59
formulate that no I don't think so either it just wouldn't same here yeah so the next week of the trial was where
00:48:05
the jurors heard testimony from First Responders and from family and friends of both victims responding officers
00:48:11
Michael movel and Stephanie Hunter testified about the crime scene while the jury was also presented with photos
00:48:16
of both women which showed how they were discovered oh God I can't imagine having
00:48:20
to see that co-prosecutor Douglas Casco walked the jury through the details of each scene telling them how there was
00:48:27
only a small amount of Blood on the inner and outer doorknobs of the bedroom door which led him to believe that
00:48:33
whoever had killed Julie did this because they wanted to minimize any noise so as not to wake up the children
00:48:39
oh he emphasized that the door was closed to prevent the kids from seeing their mother which would have been the
00:48:45
act of a person who cared about the kids and not the act of an enraged murderer no he also asked them to think about the
00:48:52
lack of blood found on Paula's body not a single drop anywhere but the defense wanted them to believe that she had cut
00:48:59
a woman's throat nearly to the point of decapitation and got out of that with not a literal single drop of blood on
00:49:06
her I can't even stress that point enough because it's [ __ ] ridiculous and it's like Reasonable Doubt too like
00:49:12
extreme to them like to another galaxy crazy [Music] Costco then reminded them and this is
00:49:34
this is one of my favorite parts of this case because it's like you [ __ ] yourself you thought that you were so
00:49:42
like above this you were the Mastermind of this all in this little technicality right here if I was sitting on the jury
00:49:48
and heard this I would have been like boom he reminded the jury to think about a
00:49:53
40-second period between little entering the home from the garage and making it up to the bedroom in that time he is on
00:49:59
the phone with 9-1-1 closes the front door takes off his shoes hangs his jacket then goes
00:50:08
upstairs to the bedroom where he found Julie for one thing who does that after discovering a hanged Stranger in their
00:50:15
garage yeah and secondly in those 40 seconds he told the dispatcher that there was blood all over the place
00:50:22
but he would have said that before he ever entered the bedroom they timed it there was no possible way that when he
00:50:30
said there was blood all over the place that he had actually even been to the bedroom oh so how would he know that if
00:50:36
he wasn't the one that killed killed his wife what an actual idiot Costco asked the jury and then answered the question
00:50:42
for them because he killed her yeah he had seen the blood already if I was sitting on that job at that point in
00:50:48
time I'd be like boom case closed yeah how do you argue with this [ __ ] close how do you argue with that I have no
00:50:55
idea because you didn't see any blood in the garage no so you're not talking about that nope nope absolutely [ __ ]
00:51:01
ridiculous so ultimately Chris's trial went on for two months by the end of those two months the juror Spectators
00:51:07
the Press heard from a lot of witnesses I heard from responding officers the medical examiner Rick Ralph paulus
00:51:15
family Julie's family plenty of people and the testimony proved that Julie was in an unsatisfying crumbling marriage
00:51:22
and took the initial to change that reality yeah Paula was also ready to change her reality though she was
00:51:28
disappointed about the end of her marriage she was ready for the future she was excited to move on she was
00:51:33
excited to complete the goal she'd set for herself yeah and Chris little was the complete opposite of these two women
00:51:39
he was jilted and he couldn't let go of what was already gone nope so he wanted revenge and in his mind wanted to win
00:51:47
yeah but he [ __ ] lost he lost big time as the trial neared an end Chris little decided to actually take this
00:51:54
stand and testify in his own defense that's usually not a good idea it was not he thankfully he told the jury that
00:52:01
he was innocent and that he and Julie quote had all in all a good relationship we were a good team together oh and then
00:52:08
he made it seem like he was the victim in their relationship and focused on Julie's infidelity saying quote I don't
00:52:13
blame Julie she was just not sure what she wanted and that he quote wanted the opportunity to see if we could get past
00:52:20
that but that it was Julie who took the chance away from him when she chose Rick
00:52:25
over him it was as simple as that he said when she when she made her decision he realized it was over he accepted that
00:52:33
Rick was who she truly wanted to be with all he wanted going forward was to be amicable co-parents and maybe one day
00:52:39
even friends wow let me just play the world's smallest violin while he testifies
00:52:45
he might have done his best to make himself look like the victim in the situation but all of the evidence and
00:52:52
all of the other testimonies collectively were on the complete contrary to this sweet wounded Angel
00:52:57
[ __ ] after his no reasonable person would stalk their estranged wife would place a tracker on her car would test
00:53:04
her clothing for semen or sexually assault her while she was unconscious yeah though the jury didn't know about
00:53:10
the latter no [ __ ] up in his closing arguments it is Chris's lawyer reminded the jury that the Crown's case was built
00:53:18
on completely circumstantial evidence and speculation he told them there's no Smoking Gun and asked quote where's the
00:53:26
boiling roiling I don't know boiling roiling is such a stupid thing to say cauldron of angst anger depression and
00:53:32
humiliation and finally told the jury that if there was even a hint of Reasonable Doubt in their minds that
00:53:38
they had an obligation to acquit his client they don't have it I don't I'm predicting here but they don't have it I
00:53:45
don't know because I don't here no one has it no and the prosecution's closing arguments they acknowledge that of
00:53:50
course there were lingering questions and some unknowns when it came to this sequence of events that night of the
00:53:55
murders no one had seen anybody coming or going from Paula's home that night they had simply speculated yes that it
00:54:02
was Chris who kidnapped her but reminded the jury quote he needed someone to blame for the murder of his wife someone
00:54:09
whom he mistakenly believed had the same motive for killing his wife another evidence was circumstantial it was
00:54:15
abundant and showed a man who was obsessed and unwilling to let go so in those closing arguments Casco actually
00:54:22
referenced a letter that Chris had sent Julie a couple weeks before she was killed the letter was in response to
00:54:28
people encouraging him to move on and read quote to all this I say no what I am and where I am is totally and
00:54:35
completely in love with you wow but I thought you just said that you were willing to learn you're just gonna say
00:54:40
wait a second she made her choice you said she chose Rick and you understood and respect that and just hoped that
00:54:47
someday you could be friends you just hoped but you just sat here and said no I won't move on I'm where I am is
00:54:53
completely and totally in love with you yeah obviously you're in love with her no the [ __ ] you're not I don't know what
00:54:59
you think love is but it's not this that's a no it's a no for me big old no it took the jury interestingly because I
00:55:07
I always love to see how long the jury takes today I know because it's always very telling of how it is how strong
00:55:13
that case is it is and I understand that this wasn't necessarily a very strong case because and so did the prosecution
00:55:19
they said there are still lingering questions yeah so took the jury actually three days to reach a decision oh wow it
00:55:25
was November 25th 2009 when they finally did and they found Christopher litter little might as well be litter guilty on
00:55:33
both counts of first-degree murder good [ __ ] was going to prison bye the verdict was an end to two years of Hell
00:55:41
uncertainty and an opening of wounds for both of the victims families yeah Paula's twin sister Carolina told the
00:55:48
reporters quote it won't bring Paula back and we're going to miss her every single day but Chris paid for what he
00:55:54
did hell yeah I did and she and her family were satisfied with the jury's decision
00:55:59
now Julie and Paula's loved ones were able to read Victim Impact statements on November 30th 2009 and pot this is
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heartbreaking Paula's mother Monica told the court how almost 34 years ago she and her husband made the decision to
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leave Argentina and the violence they'd experienced there so that they could give their children a better life and
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she said Paula's question Paula's murder would it make her always question that decision oh that breaks my heart she
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told the court quote please don't misunderstand me I still have the same original feeling when I compare it to
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other countries but what an irony and disappointment when our beloved Paula would end up paying for her life
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was paying with her life for a decision I made more than three decades ago oh my
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God and no no and it's not that's not what that was but it's terrible that she has to live every day of the rest of her
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life because of this [ __ ] yeah this little tiny man and I just want to be like no no no like it's because this
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[ __ ] worm of a human wiggled his way into her orbit somehow it had nothing it was like just
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happenstance yeah truly truly just happened it's so true oh and this is even more heartbreaking Paula's sister
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her twin sister Carolina told the court how she had been pregnant and had actually gone into labor on the morning
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of her sister's murder saying quote the ugly truth of it will be that my son's birthday will be a constant reminder of
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the day my beloved twin was oh my God like that is heart wrench that is way too much for one family way too much for
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one family you know what though there's this like I don't know if it's an old Irish thing I think it is it's like when
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it's like a lesson leaves another person comes in and that happens it's like you
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open the door and yeah it happened to us on um on our side when the girls were born it's so true and it's and it's
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obviously this is a very different circumstance when it happened to us it was not this a brutal murder no of
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course and that is very hard to to wrap your brain around it's just like but I hope it will provide a small company
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maybe you can give a little comfort with that just like that yeah oh it's just there's no way to there really isn't no
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because and that's the thing she's like every year I celebrate my child's birthday is also a reminder that I I
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lost my sister that just breaks my heart and I can't imagine giving birth and having that be like one of the most
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amazing things to happen in your life and all the hormones coursing throughout your body and then you get the news that
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this happened to your your twin sister oh my God like I have Goosebumps right now just thinking about it my heart goes
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so far away to my brain just can't even no to both of these families oh now Chris was offered the opportunity to
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address the the court and nobody gives a [ __ ] what you say yeah well you should
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remain silent shut the [ __ ] up but honestly he should have thought I don't like it doesn't matter but you should
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have got up and apologized yeah it's a total double-edged sword with those things because it's like I don't want to
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hear your [ __ ] face hole like you can shut the [ __ ] up but the fact that you've saved us not to say anything you
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should want to say something exactly but I don't want to [ __ ] hear it exactly it's one of those things where it's like
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I want to be invited but please know I'm not coming exactly like if you don't invite me I'm gonna be pissed but I'm
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definitely not coming that's exactly what that is exactly now after all the statements were read Justice Michelle
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fiirst addressed little and commented on his callousness for robbing his and Julie's two children of a mother saying
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quote she read him to abs loot filth I love this woman because you made them lose both their parents yeah she said
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robbing your children of their their mother's love you slashed the throat of the woman you professed to love so
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severely that her head almost came off as for Miss Menendez you saw to it that the pain you inflicted increased a
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thousand fold when you publicly labeled her a homicidal suicidal maniac day after day in this court Paula Menendez
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was truly an innocent player in a production cast and staged by you and you alone holy [ __ ] and that's honestly
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the part that gets me to is like this whole thing is tragic on every level but Paula having to he's sitting there
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labeling her not just a vicious murderer but a jealous outrageous unhinged just like doesn't
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care about these people's children would steal a mother from these children would
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would be this unhinged over a man right a man who she decided to leave because it wasn't working and she left this man
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amicably and this man was amicable too well this situation was like what you were claiming your situation was and
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what Julie wanted your situation to be and you're sitting here like just running her over the coals with their
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reputation it seems like Paula like you said the two of them like yeah it didn't
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end well like that's not a great way to end a marriage is somebody cheating and the other person not wanting to leave
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but having to but it sounds like they had come to a place where it was like okay this happened and like we both have
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love for each other but we need to move on exactly and it's like that's the best
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case scenario in that situation absolutely and it's like but I think most divorce yeah and they were being
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adults they were being mature they were moving on they seemed like they weren't having this like crazy Feud thing going
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on and honestly what a testament to Paula exactly and she's even writing in her diary that like she's going through
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it but she's gonna come out the other side and that she was feeling good she never sat there and disparaged Julie she
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never sat there and disparaged Rick no and it's like so she's this like great person who's mature and healthy and
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ready to move forward as so far the opposite that you can't it's it's just incredible you're
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painting her to be the monster that you are the literally you take responsibility that you strangled her
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with a ligature and then hung her in like and hung her out there in this like horrifying degrading way and then
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further just disparage her character after you brutally murdered her and hung her in like out to out to be a murderer
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and not to mention what if your two kids did wake up what if they saw that they did that to your kids get through that
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that image and that that entire image would we burned in their brains for the rest of their lives if you can forever
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changing them as human beings if you can do that you're not a father you're not you can do that to their mother and you
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can do that while they're home absolutely into another innocent woman and to exactly and then pin it on her
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like what the [ __ ] he's a depraved individual when I said abominable I meant abominable it truly just just it
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sounds he really does remind me of Chris Rock he remembers the way that there is
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clearly no love for those children and no love for that woman no real pure love for that woman no and to be able to
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disparage somebody after you have brutally murdered them just like he was able to it's like what the [ __ ] is wrong
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with these men seriously seriously get it together it's funny that you said not funny it's just ironic that you say that
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because the whole time I was putting this case together I kept thinking of Chris swats and we've been a lot of
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people have wanted us to cover Chris Watts I'm not covering Chris Watts no because he likes what he likes the
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coverage and I I can't even look at that case that case what happened in that case I I read a little bit of it and I
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will I'm like forever changed by that case I can't even think of those children and what that poor woman had to
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go through we try not to cover things where children are the victims yes and that is just too brutal that's just
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something yeah is probably not going to happen no so after she sentenced Chris to life in
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prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years which was the maximum sentence allowed under Canadian law I
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was gonna say that's stupid he shouldn't have parole I know he shouldn't but Canada she told him that he was quote
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cowardly vicious and deserving of the most severe punishment that their law permits good so he began serving his
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sentence at a Maximum Security Prison in Ontario but he was transferred to a medium security prison in the summer of
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2012 when the original person that he was in was closing down both Julie and Paula's families protested and wrote to
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the Supreme Court and they said the move felt like it was a slap in the face to them yeah but they were told that the
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decision was based on quote the degree of control needed to protect the public staff offender and the security of the
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institution and availability of the appropriate programs and services it's a technicality yeah I was just gonna say
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that's a very fancy way of saying like it's a technicality exactly and no and they said in no way was it meant to be a
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reflection of the crimes that he'd committed where you are should be a reflection of
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the crimes you committed exactly ridiculous he did appeal his conviction in 2014 and argued for a new trial
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claiming say it with me that his rights had been infringed upon it's like you can't claim that when the judge actually
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left evidence out because because like yeah like she did her due diligence yeah the request was denied and the original
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sentence was upheld by rot in prison yes you truly [ __ ] because no matter what
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I'm assuming that parole will be denied each time I mean come on I would think he brutally
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murdered two women including the mother of his children that he literally almost
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decapitated on the floor of their bedroom yeah but then you have to think about like um [ __ ] what's her face
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there Barbie and Ken yeah like she's out that's true but that's a little different it is a little different
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because she wasn't because he was the most active I guess like she's trust me we've talked about our feelings about
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her yeah exactly but it's one of those things about different scenarios so I'm hoping this would be a little different
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yeah you just never know but I hope with every fiber of my being that this man dies in prison keep him in there friend
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but lives a long life miserable life yep and with all that being said thank you for listening we hope you keep
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listening and we hope you keep it weird but never this [ __ ] weird you will never get away with murder don't be
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this Chris I hate you Chris [Music]