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hey weirdos I'm Ash I'm Elena and I'm Spencer and we are having another uh installment of our weirdos audio book
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club so thank you for being here today everybody we're grateful for you so grateful
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[Music] if you didn't know we have Spencer Henry from morbid Network's cult leader
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obituary and their newest baby show gossip Bridal hi everyone I'm so excited to be here we're excited to have you I
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feel like you're the perfect fit for this cuz you love like old timey True Crime mhm love it there's a lot of
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reasons as we go into this title today uh why it resonated with me and I just loved it so much o I'm excited to hear
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that makes me excited I know well before we dive into the title we want to thank
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of that Nifty gifty at audible.com weirdos for your free trial and of course we also covered this case on uh
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morbid it was episode 626 so if you need to refresh your memory at all or if you
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want to listen to that for your next morbid listening Journey it's there for you it's there for you we're there for
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you this title is there for you we're all everything is there for you it's true do it it's a crazy case like this
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case I went into cuz it was my episode when we covered it on morbid it was my episode it was my
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episode not yours it was mine and when we went into it I was like oh I think I've heard of
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this I don't know if I like I don't know the details but I was like oh this is like one of these guys that just like
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abandons women and takes their money like you know the classic tale like an HH homsy Style guy so much deer and it
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it did kind of feel like he had those vibes to him just because of all the fraud and [ __ ] he was committing like
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across borders and [ __ ] and the aliases alada the Alias ey like this guy's Bonkers oh he is wild and organized and
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I'm like rip Walter you would have loved Tinder oh my God truly yes that would have made his scheme so much easier cuz
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like thinking about like the log books and [ __ ] that he had to keep to keep his
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different wives straight keep track of them yeah and like letters he wanted to he would absolutely like he had to keep
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like his like communication with them straight what he told one what he told the other like the different stories he
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was telling them about why he was out of town all the time like I can't remember
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what I had for dinner last night that's a lot to keep up with yes stressful I can't imagine what his
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nervous system looked like oh it was riddled it was riddled with anxiety yes maybe it wasn't though maybe he was just
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totally cool as a cucumber I mean yeah H I think he just riddled our nervous system exactly yeah well I think he just
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was really good at probably compartmentalizing all of that definitely kind of like dissociating
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from all of it like yeah he had to it's a good point he and he probably learned that in childhood cuz like if you go
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back and listen to the episode where we cover the real case like he definitely had a narly childhood yeah so that's a
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good point Spencer oh I listened oh I listened you better believe but yeah I mean because a lot of times it's like
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survival tactic is learning how to compartmentalize all those separate areas of your life and kind of
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dissociate from them a little bit and that's probably how he was able to do that and not have these really strong
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emotional ties to definitely he was never really taught to have a strong emotional tie to anything CU his own
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parents treated him like [ __ ] and his mother really treated him like [ __ ] and
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then I mean once he finally got out of there what was he 12 years old I think when he got out of there and went on his
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own it's like then the world treated him like [ __ ] and obviously that's no validation or like justification for
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what he did it's just I think this is why he was able like you said to just like shut it off cuz he was like well no
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one's ever had any connection to me so why should I have a real connection to anyone else I think you're I think
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that's exactly it yeah everyone used him for what they could get out of him so he
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just decided that that was the life he was going to live and he did it in the awful life exactly and he have gone the
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other way plenty of people have plenty of people have tragic backgrounds plenty of people get treated like [ __ ] and they
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go on to be amazing people who are like I'm not going to continue this cycle but
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he's an [ __ ] go to therapy exter go to therapy get a gratitude Journal yes be grateful these are all
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steps do some self work well before we get into it even further I just want to talk really quickly about the writers
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for this title and the process because it's really this is an interest one it is so one of the names you're definitely
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going to say wait a second I know that name Jim Clemente is one of the authors of this he's a former FBI profiler who
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was part of the team that cracked the DC sniper case which is wild yeah that's a
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big deal he's been part of like huge cases like this guy has Flex on Flex on Flex he's a former New York prosecutor
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he's a writer and producer for Criminal Minds oh love that show yep he's a podcaster for real crime profile best
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case worst case FBI profilers and criminal archives he's after our own heart with all those podcasts he is and
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he's also a consultant for law enforcement and for Creative projects that involve his like massive expanse of
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expertise and he's just like wildly impressive and he had like a really tough like beginning to life as well he
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has a lot of like things in his backstory that he could have turned the other way and he went this way so he's
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like also very inspirational if you read up on him definitely and he was a first
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responder at 9911 so wow yeah so he's just I how how do you even lift that resume like I don't even know how he
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carries it around with him he's done it all and then his co-author was Peter mcdonal who is an author with 43 books
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like damn 43 books that's insane like what that's that's all the books I can't name 43 books like wow
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truly he's also a podcaster and a journalist so together this was the perfect team I think to do something
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like this yeah 100% yeah a good Duo really the duo of the century well what's interesting is they went into
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this actually thinking that they were going to make a documentary series oh yeah and then it turned into this title
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which I I love knowing like how a project started and evolved and I feel like I mean this still could make an
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excellent documentary series but I'm glad that they did the title that makes so much sense if you listen to the title
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that it was laid out that way because my favorite thing about it was like just listening to it like you can fully have
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visuals on everything that's happening at the time they did such a good job with Translating that yes 100% they
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really did and it reminded me a little bit of your new show gossip Bridal with the soundscaping and everything the like
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immersive experience of it all like oh Spencer's going to love this I no I truly all of it I was like obsessed
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listening to it the whole time I felt like I was like in an old detective novel yes you get transported when you
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can hear the music like the old timey like I just give me a cigarette babe yes and let me just
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let's give me a cigarette and a fedora and I'm ready to go baby go you're sure well it all got started when Jim
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Clement's friend he was helping this elderly woman just clean out a storage locker like most inconspicuous thing you
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could ever think of you know yeah and she they were like clearing out random boxes and this was in LA right in La yes
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and she told him oh you can just get rid of that box over there and he was like okay like maybe we should check inside
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first just you know make sure nothing important is in here and um something important was in that box it contained
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this leatherbound to home and that contained Blue Beard Watson's confession inside which is insane I just got CHS
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yes he confessed to the murder of 10 wives and to think that that leatherbound to was in there containing
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that confession full confession like three days worth of confession and this to actually belonged to the one and only
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JB Armstrong who's the pi that was hired by Catherine when she suspected that her
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husband was just cheating Miss Wacker was Mrs Wacker exactly so just literally opening that up and sifting through the
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pages must have been Bonkers wild bananas yes imagine finding that oh and Jim Clemente has it now in his personal
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collection has that leatherbound to yeah our producer Mikey got to talk to him and he showed him on the zoom and we
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were all Mikey was showing us afterwards we're like oh my God je Jim on the horn
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let's get Jim on here show me your book show me that leather bound toe gy I want
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to see your book I'm trying to see it well obviously they were uh immediately interested in this story once they heard
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about this discovery and once they you know sifted through this Tome of theirs so they researched Watson even more to
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find out about his crimes his detailed confession and when I say detailed like I said it took this guy three days to
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get everything out and it was that confession that really voiced The Narrative of Watson in this title mhm so
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it's very true to to who Watson actually was yeah for sure and you can tell like
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he does cuz it's Joseph fines that plays him he does a good job of making him like unlikable unlikable but you could
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see why women like would be drawn to him in a way almost yeah because if you were
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going walks the line if you were going into this story blind I think you would be like oh I like this guy like what's
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this guy's story but if you know the case and you go into it you're like I don't like you
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you're kind of like toying with yourself of like I kind of want to like you but I
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know what you do you know for sure but after working up the whole story Clemente and McDonald pitched this story
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to our our friends over at Audible and they suggested maybe converting it into a radio style drama actually and
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ultimately it um ended up being directed by a Canadian director and this is interesting Canadian radio style dramas
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continued way past the point where they did in us like when we transitioned over
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to TV so he was really well versed in that type of production because you know they experienced them way longer but to
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talk more about the production let me hand it over to my girl Elena cuz this is really interesting like Spencer said
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it's like a super immersive like you feel like you're there experience and that definitely goes for some of the
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actors like Katherine played by Karen David Watson's played by Joseph feines and JB Armstrong our guy is Adrien
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pazdar I think the three of them did an amazing job um but what really set this whole thing into a different realm I
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think is that how they recorded this so they recorded live in three different time zones first of all each recording
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space for each actor it was set up and movement was choreograph so the actors would move through the space while the
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microphone was set in the middle of the room so all of this would impact the sound so audio was like 3D immersive you
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heard the movements that they were making cuz they were physically making those movements in a room like it wasn't
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put in later or something like that so you heard them in real time like very organically wow Isn't that cool it is
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cool and I feel like that's a very different and unique style of doing something like this definitely and just
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the fact that people in three different time zones were able to collaborate like
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this I'm like damn I can get a meeting on the books with East Coasters literally that's the thing you know like
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we were trying to we can barely get time to hang out with friends like just us trying to all get our
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schedules meanwhile they're like let's soundscape this [ __ ] and record the entire title all at once in three
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different time zon wow that's incredible yeah it's crazy so what I think also makes like takes this one and kind of
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like separates it from a lot of titles is the way that the this is obviously inspired by a true crime case and they
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kept a lot of it very true to what happened and the way that they kind of like fictionalize parts of it to me
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didn't impact the case in a way that was like negative I think I think if anything it only made it easier to
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follow you know I definitely agree the plot it just added to the story but it didn't add anything unnecessary you know
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exactly totally and it's just an engaging way to tell the story like with this radio style and 3D audio it like we
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said pulls you into each scene you feel like you're there you feel like if you close your eyes you can just like hear
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all the cuz it's like we were talking about before like the the music in the background and you can hear someone
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lighting up a cigarette and you can hear so you feel like you get this everything
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happening all around the room kind of feeling and I it's also cool that this narrative definitely places it in that
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specific time and place like it has nods to the formation of the Bureau of investigations which is like blowing
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that would that blew my mind just like being in a place that you're like oh that didn't exist yet like [ __ ] and it
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was also like the end of the Spanish Flu that they have a nod to the beginning of
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prohibition I think all those things being tapped at during this really placed you in that time plac you and
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like little reminders along the way like this is where we are you know like we're
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not in 2024 right well I kept thinking of other like Infamous crimes of that time like
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the wineville chicken coop murders and all of these Los Angeles crimes that happened I mean not the same year but
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like within that time realm and it's just I don't know it's so fascinating to see how everything was handled yes in
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those days in comparison to now and it's there's a lot of things that you look back and you're like why would they do
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that why wouldn't they do this but a lot of what they were doing is still really
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Advanced given the tools that they had at the time yes absolutely we we're always talking about that how in these
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time periods it's like we don't have a camera on every street corner we don't have someone with a phone recording it
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we don't have a digital footprint we don't have this and that even like fingerprinting was still it infancy you
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know it took a lot to solve these crimes which makes it more fascinating in my opinion yeah for sure yeah well it makes
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you wonder too certain crimes that happen today you're like how they not figure that out everyone has their house
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cuz it's like true how are they catching these people with literally just like boots on the ground detective work here
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like that's what this is and I mean and also like speaking to how they they were
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able to solve this stuff one of the great themes in this whole thing is women not being passive and seeking out
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answers which I love because you think of this case as a whole and I mean women are the ultimate victims in this case
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but they're also the hero of this case absolutely like cat is a [ __ ] boss yeah you want to talk about feet on the
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boots on the ground let talk about Catherine wab Baker because let's talk about her damn cuz she was also the one
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first of all she wouldn't let anything she wasn't letting that go in the beginning she was like I'm pretty sure
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he's having an affair [ __ ] him we're going to catch him I'm getting my divorce yeah just to think that she
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needed to have like a a straight up reason to get divorced and like a very comp in one not just like somebody had
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to be her husband had to be guilty of a crime for her to be granted the divorce you should just be able to have a
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divorce if you don't like his ass anymore yeah it's so it's so complicated because even now there's I mean it's a
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lot easier to divorce somebody now but it's still like this personal battle that I think a lot of people have where
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there's so much back and forth so I can't imagine doing that and on top of that having to have like a good reason
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in the eyes of the court or the law in it right and that like even cheating was barely sufficient yeah you can tell cat
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is having that like personal grapple because even when she knows how terrible he is and she's like working with the
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private investigator when when Walter calls her and talks about wanting to knock her up
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she's like well maybe I should call this whole thing off and I was like girl no don't
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do but it shows that she still was kind of like battling with thoughts of whether or not she should just kind of
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ignore everything and put it on the back burner she was a product of the time yeah I was just going to say Society was
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influencing her big time and being like maybe I should just have a baby with him
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and we can have that you know classic family and I'll just ignore everything you know what fixes a toxic
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relationship baby yeah that'll fix things well and like to to prove your point even further like to add to it she
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he went after older women like widows people who had previously been married and lost somebody you know like these
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women did want to have families and for a lot of them it was like their quote unquote last chance to have a family
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yeah they're vulnerable they're susceptible they're kind of like backed into a corner Again by societal norms
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and societal pressure but yeah absolutely 100% yeah I want a high five cat from the future exactly like girl
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you did it and while cat like in in the in the actual case she didn't like you know team up with the and like go to the
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extents that she went to in in the title she did not it wasn't her just sitting back and not doing this stuff like she
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like we said was the one who was like I'm pretty sure he's having an affair and I'm not letting it go so JB
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Armstrong like let's get going and she even provided additional information and documents to further prove like once it
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started unraveling she was like oh here's all this [ __ ] if that's going to help you nail him like here it all is
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like I found some more [ __ ] for you guys and that's her in real life like that
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she really did do that like she was vital in unraveling this whole thing because she wasn't even as a product of
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that time and society around her at the time she wasn't a woman who was going to
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sit down and just be comfortable passively letting these things happen to her she knew something was a miss right
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off the bat she took action right off the bat and of course she had no idea like no way of knowing how a miss things
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were what exactly she was unraveling here and what she was up against and it's like once she found out that there
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was like way more [ __ ] than just an affair that she was like he could possibly be murdering these women and
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like he maybe he was going to murder you instead of like like just falling apart
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which he had every right to do hearing that kind of news about your [ __ ] husband she turned around and was like
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how can I help how can I make sure that he doesn't do this to anyone else and they're like what a badass 100% she like
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followed her intuition yeah and I mean it's the ultimate like going through his phone Behavior but then it like leads
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you down this crazy Rabbit Hole where you're like oh okay this is much deeper than I thought yes I love that her
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version of going through his phone is trying to get into his briefcase y his duffel bag that he carried around
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everywhere the classic which I'm like could you be more conspicuous I know just caring around a duffel bag of
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marriage certificates and being super weird about said said briefcase SL duffel bag you're G to carry around a bunch of
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[ __ ] don't be so weird about it yeah listen she is a victim in this situation but there were several red flags
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especially like when you're listening to her narrative in the title I mean well first of all I was laughing in the
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beginning because she's talking about meeting Walter for the first time and she's talking about how he kind of
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catfished her and she says no one would accuse him of being handsome which is diabolical that is diabolic a read that
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is the biggest read also in the book she's talking about like you know how they got married
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after four weeks and she's like I couldn't think of a reason I shouldn't I'm like girl I can I can think of 10
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yeah I could think of 22 different reasons why let me list them up for you cuz he was described as being like a
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gnome looking [ __ ] ug absolutely paraphrasing but it was like he was like a gnome like man that's how they
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described him he this little alala too in his mug shot that I just want to rip off take it right off I mean I don't see
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it I don't I mean who knows what was going on with otherwise who knows looks wise I think he had Charisma working for
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him unfortunately that can work Charisma I can do the trick uniqueness nerve and
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talent and she said too when he moved in he moved in with little possession and that is also the goal that's ideal don't
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disrupt my space yeah yeah we don't need you have four things great your collections here okay yeah we don't need
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that got your briefcase fist over there everything else got to get rid of yeah I
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think he was just a master manipulator definitely master manipulator and he was a Char he was playing a character so
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it's easy to make somebody like a character at all times he was playing a character you're playing a role I do
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love one of the things I love that they did do in this title is for a brief period of time while I was listening I
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was like uhoh are they going to make cat and detective Armstrong fall in love because I will not be pleased with that
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I was worried it felt like that might have been the direction they were going and I was like don't you dare take away
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her agency like that but nay but they didn't do it they did not do it and I have to say from coming from two men
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authors thank you yes thank you for making this girl a standalone badass yeah and just letting her have her own
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agency and being her own character that was just like being a badass and wasn't trying to fall in love with another guy
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what was the test that we were talking about they passed that test the Beck doll test they passed the Beck doll test
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it did because it's not just having this woman be completely in relation to what
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she's doing with a man a damsel in distress like please help me I don't know what to do she's like yeah here's
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what to do here this is what I want to do put your cigarette out it's gross and let's go go don't be dumb did you guys
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have a like a favorite badass be moment of cats I mean I'm a real sucker for any
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sort of library scene or imagery in a book they're talking about like going through the records and she's in the
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library I mean I get chill's thinking about it right now but when she was going through all the different Lonely
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Heart ads and yes this under different names but the same comparing them all yeah comparing them all and seeing that
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it was clearly all written by witer I just had a moment where I was like oh my God she's corrected the code like she
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got her confirmation and how chilling too to come to that realization and the amount of people who tried to convince
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her that these were just other men stealing that Lonely Hearts ad oh the gas lighting the gaslighting was
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outrageous wait people trying to gasl light a woman that's crazy I've never heard that never happened you guys no it
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was that's why it's fiction you know you women you're hysterical you're so crazy that's us we're just cooky that's
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us what was yours Elena my badass [ __ ] moment was definitely I loved when she was like hiring JB Armstrong and he was
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like being like whoa whoa whoa at first and he's like cuz she's like all right so what do we need to do what do you
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need me to start working on and he was like no no no you're my client like I'm the detective here I'm the investigator
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and she was like actually no you're my partner now we're working together if you're not willing to treat me as a
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partner I'll go find someone who will and I was like Snap Snap Snap baby I was like yes she was like I don't need to be
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here I'll find somebody who actually respects the partnership and doesn't treat me like a little peon cuz this
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needed to be a partnership she had so much of the information that they needed yes 100% And I think going back to like
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when she cracked the code I think it was just like I I loved that she figured it
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out on her own like she didn't have anybody else really helping her nope other than the Hillary the
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librarian who I love were like becoming friends and at the end of the book when there she walks into the courtroom and
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she sees Hillary from the library there and Hillary's like I'm here for you I was like oh God I love that that's the
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thing I love that one she didn't fall in love and two she found another female friend to about us with yes love that
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and again two like male authors like snaps to them that was great female friendship and bonds they did a great
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job with it did you have oh yes this is small but I love the way that she handled that hotel owner when she was
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trying to use his car she was like I will not be swayed thank you like uhuh like I'm
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not not happy she was so confident that she was just like yeah no she's like I will be taking her car thank you thank
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you very much thank you so much I just I feel like they gave her her flowers in this story like showed off her badassery
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and again especially given the time period it was very brave of her to do what she did and she obviously faced a
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lot of adversity while she was doing it but look what she [ __ ] did yeah without her it could have kept going on
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and on and on for a long time and to think how many more people he could have killed absolutely okay so obviously I
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live in Southern California I live in Los Angeles and I used to live in Signal Hill which is this small unincorporated
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area where the body of n Lee tone was found oh [ __ ] I was going through newspaper archives trying to do my own
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little sleo thing to see if I could uh figure out where in relation it was to I used to to where I used to live but I
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was just finding like old press photos that didn't have any exact addresses but I was like damn oh that's
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spooky that's wild I know being in La must be weird that way cuz so many things have happened there you're just
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like surrounded by well they just get publicized more I feel like yeah that's true no it's true and you know the
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locations of a lot of them mostly yeah so you can just be like I'm surrounded uhhuh 100% yeah also at the end of this
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whole title when she speaks the names of all the victims in the court scene that
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was chilly putting that in there was iconic and it was so perfect like ending on that was like yeah I love the nod to
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to the reality and in the the true part of this crime making sure that they were
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H as well because obviously cat was the focus of The Narrative of course but the
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fact that they didn't forget about the other victims along the way that was nice that was great yeah yeah we
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recommend this title 10 out of 10 if you haven't listened to Blue Beard on Audible you got to go listen and it's a
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quick listen too it's a quick listen it's a 3our you will more exact yeah it's 3 hours long you could I mean if
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you have a long commute you could get that done in a day babe yeah there is one scene of them eating just be
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forewarned yeah if you don't listen to that it's less than 3 hours so there you go it's quick but
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just warning and there's also one of them um you know what you'll get there so anyway um if you haven't listened to
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audible.com SL weirdos audible head over there for your free trial thank you to Spencer for joining us today we love
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hanging with you thanks for having me and we love Spen we love you and if we all want to end this on just maybe a
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title that we're listening to or recently listened to that we recommend so my recommendation for a title to
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listen to is sleep tight by JH marer uh I recommend all his titles and all his books in fact because I think he's a
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brilliant horror author um it's a perfect one it's got like a creepy little fictional town in it he's
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really good at infusing like some Supernatural elements but they don't even feel they feel like they're just
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reality in it I haven't listened to that yet yeah and he's got you know a serial
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killer in this one in a small town he's it's just he's a great author I highly highly recommend sleep tight I have two
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recommendations I just finished and actually so did Elena Wayward oh so good uh listening to that title was so
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Whimsical there's three female points of view and they have three different narrators for each one and all of them
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just have the mo I say this all the time about people but I think I just listen to audio titles with narrators who have
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the most soothing voices and these three women I want them to read me bedtime stories every single night so good and
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um obviously I have to recommend Elena's butcher in the Ren and the butcher game
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duh oh my God I know the author and she writes a mean book baby truly there's also the big hot book of death I've
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heard of that one have you heard of that one Spencer Spencer Madison I have heard
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of that you that's also a great one she's pretty good and they got I love their their voices too those narrators
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true I think the guy is annoying but one that I love is well I've been I'm like halfway through it right now but it's
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the crime of the century Richard Speck and the murders that shocked a nation that's an interesting one Dennis albo
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and William J Martin love that amazing so you guys have a bunch of titles to catch up on
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