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hey weirdos I'm Alina I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid and that's the computer and that
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is life save it for the outakes oh I said that and my send it to Daryl voice and I'm wearing that's hey look at that
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hey uh so hey what's going on we just changed the lighting in this room cuz we got little fancy light bulbs yeah on
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Mikey's recommendation and that was a great recommendation that he had yeah they're these cool light bulbs and you
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can change them to different moods yeah right now we're in peaceful yeah earlier
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it was so dreamy but I was like like it's a little too dreamy Wy in here I think I'm about to off it's cuz it's
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gloomy outside of Massachusetts today which is delightful yeah always welcome but you can't have too dreamy a mood
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when it's gloomy outside or you'll just fall asleep exactly and we have a ton of
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candles lit and stuff so the vibe is right it's hella cozy in here hella cozy and it smells like the witchiest shop
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you've ever walked into true it does I just did some Sage before that we did some Palos Santo we really cleansed our
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asses up in here just star ass not like a not like an enema but like a I did like a spiritual enema yeah there you go
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a spiritual anema occurred in this room and we feel good yeah yeah how do you feel today listener how do you feel I
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just said let us know listener hello listeners everybody listening was just like what the [ __ ] like did we break up
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like what are you dating someone else why are you calling me listener weirdo weirdo weirdo how do you feel today
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listener was that in my body it was a soul it was it was a soul it was it was it
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was what's happening I don't know I'm so tired I had more end of the world anxiety last night so I didn't sleep
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good somebody a couple people messaged me actually and were like ash I felt crazy that I had into the world anxiety
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until you said you had it and like that made me feel better so you are seen you're all in this together yeah I
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reached out to a therapist last night it's true and then me and Mikey were like we will be very real with you and
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try to logic it to the other side it really did help so you know we try thank you we're all in this together guys
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we're all just trying to get through the day you know couldn't have said it better myself just trying to get to
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lunch really and we did that we did that had some chicken fingers we did we had chicken fingers so we're okay anyway
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quick little side note what's up just before we start okay um Takis M controversial what the [ __ ] is up with
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those uh I know weird out of the blue but it's not if you were in my head cuz or in the room in the room I keep seeing
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people eating Takis and I was like well I love a strange snack so like let's do this and usually they're they're like
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fiery they're spicy and I love a spicy moment and I've never had them so today I said I said to Mikey and Ash I said I
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want Takis and they said order Takis on door Dash Why leave the house we live in
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the 21st century you can have whatever you want go get you some Takis so I did I ordered one and I said oo this is
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yummy it's it's very artificial but it's very spicy and I enjoy that you liked it
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in the moment I had one bite and I was like too spicy too spicy I liked the spice but I was like wow this is
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extraordinarily artificial and I like Taco Bell so that's saying something yeah that's the most AR but I was like
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okay like this is fine within 10 minutes I felt like I was going to throw up yeah
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for like 20 minutes yeah and I was like oh I'm not going to eat Takis again and I'm not I'm not saying takis are like
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poisonous or something you know like I'm not trying to down Takis they just aren't for me and I'm a little sad about
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it and I just wanted to share that with you guys that's the thing you were really excited to try them yeah and I I
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I think I'm a little sad to know that my body has like um a food boundary a limit
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yeah I've never met I've never met that boundary before and I just met it with Takis do you remember when I met it with
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the Captain Crunch Slurpee yes we all no no when you met it there that was crazy
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that was such a different time in my life where I was willing to put a 711 Captain Crunch Slurpee that I bought for
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perhaps 90 maybe 89 cents was blue it was blue it was [ __ ] the most artificial blue and then let me tell you
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something I was blue for quite some time you were you were green for a yep yep but yeah it's a weird moment when you
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figure out like oh I can't just eat anything growing up is weird it's horrible and again weird because I've
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never I love spice and I still like it just made me feel yucky for a little while so I was like oh maybe that was
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just a little too much and that's the thing it wasn't even like you ate them like too fast or anything like that like
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she just had a few you don't even have that many really no but me and Takis we're not Elena's Taki Journey that was
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my Taki journey and I just wanted you know I just wanted to share that with you now you can't do the thing that they
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do on Tik Tok remember we were talking about it the other day pickle I wanted to have you try that you wanted to have
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me try that I love that no honestly I wanted to try it until I had a talkie and I was like I don't like this and
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then you're like no I was like but you I want to have you try that it's a sad day
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when you meet your food limit when you meet your maker the yeah that is a sad day I thought it was happening for a
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second but alas I did not I'm good now though yeah you look great she dyed her hair darker yeah I DED my hair darker I
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ate a cad Berry Egg and I was right as rained everyone's like maybe that's why no everybody's like where what boundary
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is that though explain your boundary if you don't like cadburry eggs you can get
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the [ __ ] out of here cream eggs guys so good so good I even like the caramel ones yeah those are the cre on are my
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favorite Superior uh but you know what we're not here to talk about that nope but you know we have we had to get our
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you guys are like who we talk to so we had to like get all that out real quick no one else cares about my talk Journey
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yeah or two minute like hey what's up Corner listener listener dear listener so we are in a part two situation right
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now yes and I left you guys on a little bit of like a excuse me what yeah I was pissed at you yeah and it was mostly
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because like this whole next part of this is just so infuriating at times and you can just see how ridiculous and how
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negligent a lot of this was yeah um so when we left you we were um talking about detective Eddie buer there the
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detective who was um incredibly racist I was going to say the racist got it I was
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like I don't know a nice way to say that and I don't care uh so he's an incredibly racist detective and he was
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kicked off of the case and then he decided to insert himself back into it he apparently photos were found in
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George whitmore's coat pockets they were of a woman he said he found those in the
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trash and then he was just using them to like kind of like hype himself up to his
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friends and be like this is my girlfriend yeah you know he's a young kid like he's a young like you know he's
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like he's he's a teen and like I I have a feeling he has nothing to do with this
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that's adorable it is that's it was he's in a weird way trying to be like this is
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my girlfriend yeah and detective buer there decided to declare that that person in those photos was Janice Wy
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incorrect I feel so now he is being charged like he's being looked at and suspected at the very least of killing
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Janice and Emily yeah and that's where I left you which was like oh no what's going to happen that really is where you
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quite now detectives interrogated you're like you quite literally ruined my life
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pretty so detectives interrogated George Whitmore for 26 straight hours Jesus 26 straight hours and after which he not
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only confessed to the assaults of Elba barrero but also to the murders of Janice Wy and Emily hofford yeah after
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26 hours of straight prodding I might confess to a lot of [ __ ] that I didn't do I think a lot of people would yep he
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also confessed to the murder of Minnie Edmonds who we talked about that was uh killed a week before Elba barrero was
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attacked right at no time was he informed of his rights so that's not good or asked whether he wanted a lawyer
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that's illegal the interrogation interrogation resulted in him signing a 61-page confession that included very
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intimate details of the Wy hawford murders only the killer would have information about or someone that was at
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the scene or the detectives including descriptions of the broken bottle during the attack and the knives used to kill
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both women the the fact that the knives broke like all those little details that
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they hadn't released to the public yet right um according to the Whitmore statement he had entered the apartment
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building unseen so he said he somehow got into that apartment building and no one saw him okay um and had been on his
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way to the roof when inexplicably he just left the stairway and entered the corridor for no re he
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couldn't come up with a reason why he did that probably because it didn't happen and he said he entered the
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corridor on the third floor and just began trying doors until he came to Janice and Emily's which he found
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unlocked but it wasn't does everyone remember part one uhhuh that door was locked it was locked when Pat got home
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right that door was not unlocked and they found no evidence that it was unlocked in fact that was what was was
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[ __ ] them up about like obviously aside from the obvious brutality that's what was [ __ ] them up about this
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crime scene is they were like how did someone get in there's no way somebody got in B there's this open window but
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we're on the third floor and there's no fire escape but now he's saying in his confession the door was the door was
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unlocked it reminds me a lot lot of the Jesse mkelly thing I was thinking about that where there's there's blatantly
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wrong details but they are just pretending that's fine like just what don't worry about that like no look at
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this other detail right details right though and it's like well that's wrong and that's a big one like that should
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negate the other ones so for eight months frustrated investigators in Manhattan had been under intense
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pressure to solve the Wy Hofer Murders At this point but they had not made even a single step of progress at this point
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despite the you know know a lot of efforts they were canvasing the whole place and they had unrestrained
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resources like the entire Manhattan Police Department was on this and because of this reports of whitmore's
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arrest came as a huge relief not only to the residents of New York but also to the investigators and politicians who
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were feeling that intense pressure so this is not a good mix of things because everybody's like great we got someone
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don't care if it's the right person mhm within days of his arrest however several people be to doubt The
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credibility of the confession at his arraignment for the murder of Min Edmonds he actually recanted his
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confession with his lawyer telling the judge that George had been coerced into signing the document by Brooklyn
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detectives and was beaten into it oh no during that interrogation like he was very much not doing that under his own
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valtion and you know if detective buer if he was there you know that guy was definitely beaten yep that's so sad that
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like hurts my heart yeah and George even like requested to take a lie detector to
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prove that he was telling the truth I mean come on like he's not going to obviously there are cases where
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someone's to killer and they're like yeah I'll take a lie detector test cuz they're just so confident but this guy
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is younger his IQ is very low oh and he is like not understanding what's going on no one's even and the other thing is
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like he's not understanding because like he's dealing with that whole thing but also no one's explaining things to him
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like no one's even trying to make him understand what's going on so it's like he's not going to yell I'm going to take
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a lie detector test just to be like I can take lie detector test and I can fool it you know like he's doing that
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cuz he's like I'm innocent and that'll prove it right and he's a teenager he's 19 19 years old oh my God despite his
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continued claims of Innocence Deputy Police Commissioner Walter arm told reporters quote this man came up with
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details that could have only been known by could could have been known by no one
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but the police and the man who committed the crime he had information that was Never released publicly and like again
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we said the person who committed the crime and the detectives Brooklyn District Attorney Edward silver made
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similar remarks to the Press he said I would not proceed as speedily if I did not have more than a
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confession what else do you have so yeah that's the thing let us know what else you have proceed speedily to tell us
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what else you have now for some of the investigators leading the team in Manhattan it was really that extent of
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the details in the confession that were actually supicious to them as well in fact it was as though the confession was
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a little too good a little too detailed it didn't just contain information never
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released to the public it contained details about the crime scene so minute that only someone processing the scene
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with a Keen Eye would have noticed them that's exactly because like in the in the craziness of all of whatever took
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place not no killer is going to notice like the tiny little details this Blood Stained over here and
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like he's going to be like it was chaos I know what I did I know what I saw in that moment but that's it but he's like
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you said he's not going to notice these little details that a crime scene technician would exactly then there was
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the photographs that were found in George whitmore's possession at the time of his arrest which detective buer
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claimed were of Janice Wy when he was shown the photographs he repeated what he said he said that's I don't know who
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that is I found them in the trash I don't I honestly don't know who that girl is if it's Janice Wy I didn't know
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that I just found them which of course they were like yeah yeah like likely story but then they asked Max Wy
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Janice's father oh no and they had him look at them and he told investigators they were definitely not photos of his
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daughter and he had never seen the woman in those photos before and he was definitive about that wow and these
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weren't like strange photographs that you were like I don't know maybe it's a woman like he knows his daughter he's
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looking at the woman's face he's like that's not my kid like I think he would know yeah and again for this man he's
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probably hoping they're catching the guy of course who did this to his daughter so he's going to hope that this is the
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guy so he's not going to if anything he's going to kind of not hope I it's like hard to word it but he's not going
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to want this to not be the end of the the closure that they want you know what I mean so for him tose closure yeah so
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for him to say that's not her that's not her like he's going to want this closed
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and if it's not the guy he wants the right guy like he wants the right guy off the streets that did this definitely
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finally there was also George whitmore's Alibi and this one's this one blows my mind he claimed he was at work when this
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was happening washing dishes in a Wildwood New Jersey restaurant at the time of Janice and Emily's murders so
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he's all the way in New Jersey that's what he's saying is his Alibi nearly all of George's co-workers confirmed that he
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was at the restaurant at that time time and they distinctly remembered this and they said they remember this because we
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were all watching together a televised speech given by Dr Martin Luther King at the March on Washington when Whitmore
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was supposedly in Manhattan killing Janice and Emily and that hold that held no ground whatsoever like they were just
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like what all his co-workers were like he was there with us he was watching it and they're just like he was in
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Manhattan killing two women it's like he's a whole state away I know obviously New Jersey and New York are close but
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like what but it's like he has an alibi that people are confirming like how is that not worth anything oh it makes you
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feel like so shitty that there wasn't like cameras and [ __ ] I know cuz you're like oh I just want them to be like see
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here he is he's watching dishes right there now in October whitmore's attorney successfully petitioned the court for
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his client to at least be evaluated by a psychiatrist at the very least after what he described as quote the longest
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study of one patient in bellevue's history the hospital's director of Psychiatry Dr Arthur zitrin declared
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George Whitmore sane and able to S stand trial for the murder of many Edmonds but
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he although he was declared sane that didn't necessarily mean that he was competent to stand trial okay he had
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actually like we had said dropped out of school in the 8th grade I believe it was
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and had an IQ that was well below average so he he didn't even know what was like he he couldn't understand the
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complete heaviness and gravity of everything that was happening and he couldn't understand how he was being
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[ __ ] with yeah he's like I was at work these pictures are a different girl I found them in the garbage yeah like he's
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telling you the truth I found these in the garbage that's not even of her I don't even know her I was at work when
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this happened I have people that to like confirm that for you how scary is that that you can have all of those
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restaurant of co-workers say that you were there all of that defense behind you and they can still railroad you yeah
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that is so scary and despite that and all the questions surrounding the confession and the supposed evidence
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against him the district attorney in Brooklyn moved forward in the case against George for the assault of Elba
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barrero that's shocking yeah well shocking it is and it's not unfortunately now in November 1964
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George Whitmore went on trial in Brooklyn Supreme Court for the attempted sexual assault of ela barrero in court
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barrero told the jury her asent caught up with her on the sidewalk and grabbed her from behind in November 1964 George
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Whitmore went on trial in Brooklyn Supreme Court for the attempted sexual assault of Elba barrero m in court
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barrero told the jury that whoever attacked her had caught up with her on the sidewalk and had actually grabbed
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her from behind and she said snatched her pocketbook placed his right hand over her mouth and his left hand around
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her neck NE and said if you scream I'll kill you that's so scary now barrero then claimed that she and her attacker
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quote walked face to face for two blocks to 192 Bristol Street where the asent took her down a flight of stairs to the
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basement pressed her against a wall and briefly removed his hand from her mouth this is when she started screaming mhm
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following her testimony Elba barrero again identified George Whitmore as the person who attacked her that day so wait
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she said they walked face to face yeah I don't even know how to picture that yeah
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I don't know if like like one of them was walking backwards and the other was walking in front of it that's what it
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sounds to me that's how it's described I'm not sure exactly what the Yeah Logistics of that are but then she also
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when it had originally happened said she couldn't couldn't quite remember the person's face yeah so it's just weird
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how that changed up a little bit like I'm not saying that she's lying I'm just like did somebody tell you to say that a
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certain way so it sounded better yeah there's definitely some strange things surrounding this because I mean right
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from the way that they made her identify him was completely tainted completely wrong yeah so it's like they a lot of
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this is like uhoh from the start yeah now under cross-examination um Elba barrero admitted to whitmore's defense
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attorney Jerome leftow that she had already met with lawyers from Newsweek to discuss the $10,000 reward
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money and when asked whether she had met with them before or after her appearance
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before the grand jury she replied I don't know oh however on redirect she told the uh
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assistant district attorney that she had been entirely unaware of their reward when she went before the grand
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jury okay so that's a little flip FL whatever her whatever the like you know intention here is it's just not coming
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off clear what's happening here you're not coming off clear in what is going on here not at all and after a week of
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testimony the allwhite all male jury deliberated for nine hours so um not a jury of his peers whatsoever no they
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deliberated for 9 hours before finding Whitmore guilty of the assault and attempted rape of Elba Barrera wow the
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conviction carried with it a maximum sentence of 10 years for the attempted rape and 5 years for the assault and
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they said quote unless psychiatrists find him to be a Perpetual sexual menace to the community in that case he can be
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imprisoned for life oh my God yeah and that's just this one crime there's others that he's going to trial for yeah
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there's more that are coming however judge uh David malbin elected to withhold sentencing in the case pending
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the outcome of the cases against Whitmore for the Wy hawford murders and the murder of many Edmonds okay now
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while they waited for the judge's decision Jerome leftow had petitioned the court for a new trial after
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receiving a sworn affidavit from one of the jurors claiming that quote another member of the panel had made invidious
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remarks to the Jury Room about black people MH the affidavit also noted that during the trial for the attack on
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barrero jurors were made aware of the additional charges against George Whitmore for the three murders that is
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completely not okay that's the thing I'm like how many conflicts of interests are
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we at now like 47 and leftow obviously argued that this could have further biased the jury against their client
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this is they biased everyone against him from the start putting him in an interrogation room and telling him
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that's the suspect and then having Elba barrero identify him you've already biased her again he think she thinks
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he's a criminal wow and now he there he's in there you're NE you can't tell them that he's up for three murders like
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that's what are you doing that's insane and then this jury member signed a sworn
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affidavit saying members of this jury are racist and made racist remarks against black people while deliberating
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that's so heinous it really like that breaks your heart what the [ __ ] and both
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the prosecution and the judge were wholly resistant to the claims didn't want to hear it that's with judge malbin
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telling reporters quote I'm not going to make searching inquiry we want to protect the sanctity of the jury as to
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what happens in the Jury Room during deliberations we want to protect this racist ass jury is basically what that
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man just said yeah I want to let them be racist if they want be racist I don't like what no I'm not doing this WOW cool
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cool wow meanwhile one of the jurors later said that he actually heard another juror say in that room quote
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this is nothing compared to what he's going to get in New York oh my God so they were well aware and all assumed he
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was guilty and were like kind of giddy about it like can't wait to watch that that's gross while the prosecution and
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the majority of law enforcement were honestly committed to believing whitmore's confession and guilt were
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genuine which is really upsetting there were many who had been skeptical of the case from the start like there were a
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lot in of investigators that were like I don't buy this like I think this is [ __ ] up and dirty which is at least
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good good good I guess now just two months after his conviction for the attack on Elba barrero a source within
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the Manhattan District Attorney's office told reporters that the case against Whitmore for the murder of Janice and
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Emily was quote Shot full holes so he told the reporter like this is [ __ ] wow not happening now officially the
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DA's office refused to comment on the state of the case against Whitmore but many in the Press felt that there was a
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strong possibility that the case was going to be dropped against him that's how bad it was I hope so now the
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district attorney wasn't the only one skeptical about the potential for a trial against Whitmore George's own
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lawyers were feeling pretty confident that the charges were going to be dropped and they were more than happy to
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fill in the reasons why like they were like like [ __ ] this his lawyers said quote the facts show that a picture the
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police said was of Miss Wy and was supposedly stolen from by Whitmore from her apartment is not a picture of Miss
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Wy it is instead a picture of a girl named arleene Franco who lives in Wildwood New Jersey oh they found her
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and that's where he works that's where he works where whitmore's father runs a junkyard dude and he said he found it in
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the trash yeah whitmore's lawyers went on to emphasize the number of other discrepancies in the case against George
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including that several people placed him in New Jersey at the time of the murders
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and that he had an intelligence quotient of 60 oh and could not possibly have comprehended the language in the
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confession that he supposedly made wow there's no way that he could understand all of that language so it's just point
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after point after point after point of why he's not guilty oh and that button that was taken that Elba barrero had
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ripped from her attacker's coat yeah the FBI gave a report that stated the button did not match whitmore's
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coat so what are we even [ __ ] doing here so they introduced that button in that trial and they used it kind of as
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like here it is like a smoking button didn't even match but they said it did yeah they were like this is from his
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coat what the [ __ ] how are you even able to get away with that well just two months later Judge David malbin who
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didn't want to hear about the racist jury wanted to let them be racist they wanted to did he also not want to hear
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all the evidence as to why this black man didn't commit this crime yeah he was like no I don't want to hear it he
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vacated whitmore's conviction in the barrero trial after it was determined that the jury had been racially bi
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racially biased and may have been influenced by learning of the other charges against him maybe perhaps weird
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two months later he was like after all this heat came he was like you know what you're I think you're right on second
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thought I just can't sleep at night given the questionable on second thought I just can't sleep at night it's like
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wow yeah given in the questionable nature of the confession and the evidence against him in the other case
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we would all assume at this point that the charges are going to be dropped like looking at everything I've just told you
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so yeah logical brains would be like absolutely going forward with based on these [ __ ] I'm like nah yeah in April
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the district attorney in the Edmund's murder case proceeded as though nothing had changed I really hope that he like
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ended up suing the district attorney at some point in that case the jury deadlocked but the prosecutor vowed to
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try Whitmore again what in the meantime I'm wait I'm actually shocked that they deadlocked yeah right in the mean
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because I think they had nothing I think that was liter they probably deadlocked
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based purely on like some of them were probably racist yeah you know what I mean like it's like they didn't have
00:27:47
anything in that case like that was just like a what evidence do you have they have that confession that's about it
00:27:53
right and it's a shitty confession in the meantime the district attorney in Manhattan decided not to pursue the case
00:28:00
against Whitmore for the murders of Janice and Emily but that didn't mark the end of legal troubles for George
00:28:06
Whitmore don't think that was the end of everything the following year the district attorney in Brooklyn retried
00:28:12
George for the attack on barrero and he was found again guilty so that was vacated that's why they were able to
00:28:19
retry him they retried him again for the Elba barrero attack and he was found guilty sent this is a Manhunt and he was
00:28:26
sentenced to 5 to 10 years in prison oh my God the conviction would be overturned a year later but had he
00:28:32
already spent a year in prison at that point and probably longer on the ground that the judge had refused to allow the
00:28:38
defense to cross-examine police concerning the false confession in the Wy Hoffer case why for what reason why
00:28:45
not just like nah yeah I decided I can sleep at night these days different judge uh no that well that was the same
00:28:51
judge that they were they were talking about that's why it was um overturned yeah oh now the same year it was alleged
00:29:00
that Whitmore was actually under the influence of truth serum which he when he was evaluated at bellw hospital that
00:29:07
like before this all started okay finally that came out that's kind of shaky right that's kind of shaky but
00:29:13
it's a but he was under under the influence of that and during that time he kept insisting he was in innocent
00:29:21
they they usually use truth serum to be like tell us that you did it he was like
00:29:27
no I'm innocent and his confession he kept saying my the confession was coerced I was beaten into saying this
00:29:33
and because of this there was an investigation requested into this cuz now they're like wait a second were did
00:29:38
you beat him into this now days after this was revealed New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller refused the request
00:29:44
for an investigation he said he quote had no jurisdiction over the courts and therefore it would be inappropriate to
00:29:51
seek to intervene in matters pending before them he's like I don't want to like seek
00:29:56
out Justice you know like we don't want to do that it's like I don't want to make sure that people aren't being
00:30:01
beaten into into confessions we don't want to check up on any of our systems in place we just want to let them roll
00:30:07
you know that that answer is essentially why bother why bother yeah I don't really want to is really the answer I
00:30:14
don't feel like doing it feel like it the DA's office tried Whitmore for a third time and he was again convicted in
00:30:21
sentenced to 5 to 10 years in prison how many years and years of this man's life
00:30:27
for disrupted deal with this [ __ ] by 1972 George Whitmore had begun to lose complete hope of clearing his name like
00:30:34
he was like this is it then a journalist from the New York World telegram received an affidavit from Elba barrero
00:30:41
sister stating that prior to identifying George Whitmore as her attacker Elba had
00:30:47
already identified two other men as the asent kind of iconic that her sister was
00:30:54
like hey love my sister but it was in an affidavit she was being truthful on the
00:31:00
affidavit saying like I'm not saying he didn't do it I'm not saying she's not but I'm just telling you she identified
00:31:06
two other guys before that so this that doesn't hold a lot of weight wow the way
00:31:12
he was identified and the fact that two other people had already been identified
00:31:17
I mean come on and how many years later did this come out like Jesus Christ this
00:31:22
poor [ __ ] man yeah and in fact Elba had only identified Whitmore after detective Bulger RAC his partner
00:31:31
[ __ ] had made her aware of the $10,000 reward being offered by Newsweek so they literally just waved a bag of
00:31:40
cash in her [ __ ] face and that is precisely when she agreed to change her statement that's disgusting that is
00:31:47
disgusting like I know that's a lot of money but that's not worth sending somebody to jail to prison for the rest
00:31:53
of their life yeah like that's [ __ ] up that's on another level at the request of the newly appointed Brooklyn district
00:31:59
attorney Eugene gold the case was reopened and the statements from elba's Sister were
00:32:07
confirmed and that's when whitmore's convictions were overturned and he was officially
00:32:13
exonerated so luckily the new Brooklyn district attorney was like whoa whoa open that ship back up put these these
00:32:21
in here like put all this new information in here and he got it overturned wow after being released from
00:32:27
prison in 1973 George sued for violations of his civil rights but he lost his case in what [ __ ] world and
00:32:36
received no compensation how did he lose that case no compensation what this whole legal
00:32:45
circus and truly nightmare he found himself in for years and years actually ended up being the cat one of the
00:32:51
catalysts for abolishing the death penalty in New York as well and it also aided in the Supreme Court
00:32:57
um Miranda ruling in 1966 that guarantees criminal suspects the right to consult with an attorney oh wow okay
00:33:04
so something good came out of it somewhere I suppose that's the thing though it's like yeah cuz I know we talk
00:33:09
about the death penalty a lot and like you say like you're a little less gray I'm always pretty gray but then a case
00:33:14
like this comes along and it's like that'll throw you for a loop that yes like genuinely cuz he would have been
00:33:19
facing the death you can [ __ ] it up so badly and then what if all of that came
00:33:23
to light after they had already put this man to death yeah like he was he would have been sent to death for these
00:33:30
murders wow that's that like that actually just turned my stomach yeah and what makes the cases against George
00:33:37
Whitmore so egregious is that the charges against him in the two Brooklyn cases were mostly just a pretense that
00:33:44
would have validated the charges against him for the murders of Janice and Emily
00:33:47
right making Eddie Bulger there and the Brooklyn detectives look like [ __ ] Heroes that was the whole the whole
00:33:56
thing behind this was Eddie buer and his little cronies wanted to look like [ __ ] superheroes at the end of tell
00:34:02
me that that man got Karma please tell me the problem here was that even before Whitmore went on trial for the attack of
00:34:09
Elber barrero investigators in Manhattan were fairly certain he had nothing to do
00:34:14
with the Wy Hofer murders investigators were like no we don't think he did this so even though detective buer was like I
00:34:21
want to get my hero status and get this all most of the investigators like [ __ ]
00:34:25
off this doesn't work in October 1964 police arrested out of this was like something totally different arrested
00:34:32
35-year-old Nathan Delaney for the murder of a rival drug dealer oh wow as this was his third arrest for a violent
00:34:40
crime Delaney knew he could receive the death penalty it's a three three strikes
00:34:44
rule for the murder and he so he offered to tell the da the name of the real killer in the Wy Hofer case damn at the
00:34:51
time there was still intense pressure to close this case and the da Off Da office
00:34:57
knew the case against Whitmore was in shamp like he didn't do it MH so they agreed to delay these conditions cuz
00:35:03
remember there's still a case against George Whitmore for this part yeah they only were able to exonerate him for the
00:35:09
Elba barrero situation and Minnie's Minnie Edmond but like this they're still still hanging over his they was
00:35:16
still trying to fit pieces into this one now according to Nathan Delaney he had been at home on the afternoon of August
00:35:22
28th 1963 which is when Janice and Emily were killed and he said there was a knock on his door so he opens the door
00:35:30
and Delaney was surprised because he saw his acquaintance whose name is Richard Ricky robbles okay he was covered in
00:35:39
blood invisibly shaken now Ricky who had just been released from prison told Delaney that
00:35:48
he had gone out looking for drug money and had killed two women what and the way he said it was that he said quote he
00:35:55
just iced two dames what the [ __ ] that's how he described it and Delany claimed he gave Robel a new
00:36:02
set of clothes and his wife Delaney's wife gave him a gar garbage bag for the bloody clothes which I was like wow you
00:36:08
guys are disgusting yeah now Nathan Delaney agreed to wear a wire holy [ __ ] and together with his wife present they
00:36:16
engaged Ricky Robel in the conversation just a regular conversation and during that whole time talking he again
00:36:24
admitted to killing Janice and Emily on The Wire they were able to like steer the conversation to like remember that
00:36:31
time and he was like oh absolutely so he was just looking for drug money he was so we'll go he'll explain so all of this
00:36:38
was recorded him admitting to the whole thing and it was submitted to the prosecutor and the taped confession was
00:36:45
enough to get a warrant for his arrest and Ricky robbles was taken into custody on January 27th
00:36:51
1965 at the station Ricky robbles maintained his innocence and asked for a lawyer so nice that they gave him that
00:36:58
in case you were wondering he is white feel so so he got a lawyer and he was I'm sure they read him his full R yep um
00:37:06
he was promptly provided a lawyer and the two were left alone in the administrative office and after about 25
00:37:12
minutes robo's lawyer needed to leave the room and asked the officers waiting outside to watch his client until he
00:37:18
came back m in the interrogation room the detectives offered Ricky some food and he declined and at which point one
00:37:26
of them said Rick did you ever think it would wind up like this and without thinking he
00:37:33
replied he thought it would from what he read in the newspapers that he thought someday he would be arrested for killing
00:37:40
those two girls so his lawyer left the room after 25 minutes to go like get something to
00:37:48
eat or drink or like piss or something like that just for a second and those detectives were like hey Ricky you do
00:37:54
this and he was like sure did sure did like like as soon as his lawyer left but does
00:37:59
so does that matter though that his lawyer had left the room is that like is that a conflict I think it's I I I it
00:38:05
ended up working out it worked out so I think it's fine it's okay cuz I think it
00:38:10
was just in casual like they weren't interrogating him they were just like did you ever think and they didn't even
00:38:14
say did you ever think you would get caught they just said you ever think it would wind up this way yeah that's inoc
00:38:18
and he was like yeah it's crazy I murdered people and they were like wow I didn't know you were going to say that
00:38:22
so what like I don't understand so when they asked what happened replied don't know I went to pull a lousy burglary and
00:38:30
I wound up killing two girls just to be that callous about it now according to Robel this is what happened he had gone
00:38:38
out that morning with the intention of finding an apartment to Rob which is what led him to the building on East
00:38:44
88th Street which he said he chose because there was no doorman at the time I thought there was though doorman but I
00:38:51
don't know if the doorman was on break or like wasn't at the door at the time when he entered the lobby no one was
00:38:57
present so he just walked right in and he was able to get into the maintenance Corridor and found his way to the third
00:39:03
floor that's terrifying when he found all the doors locked including Janice and Emily's cuz remember it was locked
00:39:12
even though George whitmore's confession said it was unlocked Ricky robbles is saying it was
00:39:18
locked were locked Robel poked his head out of the windows and saw that a window
00:39:24
in apartment 3C was open so he's in the maintenance like hall there's Windows he
00:39:29
peaked out the window in the corridor saw that there was an apartment with a window open so he climbed out on the
00:39:35
ledge and slid over to the window which is how he got into the apartment so one of my comments in part one was like he
00:39:44
couldn't like nobody could like scale a building he literally essentially did so
00:39:47
technically he didn't scale up no right but but he scaled over sideways what the
00:39:52
[ __ ] which they were they were not even thinking that was a possibility because
00:39:57
you really wouldn't like a third floor in New York like obviously that's not super high for New York but but like
00:40:02
you're going to land on concrete it's like that's that's at the very least wow you think you're safe at that point
00:40:09
you're on the third floor yeah like why not your window over a ledge he went through over a ledge to get into that
00:40:16
apartment that's terrifying so Janice Wy oh my God was just in her room and this
00:40:22
man just crawls through the apartment Window and she's probably like getting ready for work at this Point like ready
00:40:27
to head out for her day so once inside the apartment Ricky Robel found Janice Wy in her bedroom he said quote with a
00:40:33
sheet wrapped around her and he said he immediately decided to sexually assault her oh my God so she was still sleeping
00:40:40
yeah now according to delany's wife while he was assaulting Janice Robel quote heard the front door and he got up
00:40:47
against the wall and then the girl with the glasses came in that's Emily em just
00:40:52
as she got to him he tried to take her glasses off her face as soon as she walked in and she said don't touch me
00:40:59
leave my glasses alone so as Robel tied the two women together he heard Janice tell Emily to do as he said and they
00:41:06
won't get hurt so Janice was being like let's just whatever he says and we're not going to she really thought they
00:41:12
weren't going to get hurt oh my God but Emily was angry she just walked in her [ __ ] apartment and she sees this guy
00:41:21
sexually assaulting her friend and roommate like she panicked too and so she repeat repeatedly had said she
00:41:27
wanted to quote get a good look at him to identify him later oh and she was trying like she was pissed yeah but this
00:41:34
caused Ricky robbles to panic and he went into the kitchen where according to Delaney's wife quote he thought it over
00:41:41
and in about five minutes decided he was going to kill them with his decision made Robel GL grabbed the glass bottle a
00:41:49
kitchen knife and then returned to the bedroom and stabbed both women to death with both of them finally dead he stole
00:41:56
about 20 or $30 from Emily's purse and then fled the building and they were each stabbed over
00:42:04
60 times with three a broken bottle a knife that ended up breaking and then a bigger knife so he went back and forth
00:42:11
between that kitchen at least twice did he ever did they ever say if he was like
00:42:14
under the influence cuz that just seems so he was um he was a heroin addict and he was breaking into this apartment to
00:42:22
get money to get more heroin so that is part of this is that he was that was the
00:42:27
intention here is to get money and he specifically he is quoted as saying to get more heroin that was the whole
00:42:33
point now I don't like that he decides to try to use Emily as like well she said this so I pan and that's when I did
00:42:45
it and it's like no you piece of [ __ ] you that wasn't it no like you're you're
00:42:50
a piece of [ __ ] and you were going to like like just run out of the apartment don't try to put it on her cuz that's
00:42:55
the thing I want to get a good look at you get out of there get out of there get the [ __ ] out of there then you
00:43:01
shouldn't be here in the [ __ ] first place yeah cover your face and run out wow but I just don't like regardless of
00:43:07
whether she said that or not CU we don't know if she said that the only people who know whether she said that is Janice
00:43:14
and Emily and him and he's the only one that can talk and to be quite honest he's not [ __ ] credible as far as I'm
00:43:19
concern so he's a piece of [ __ ] so Ricky Robel went on trial for the murders in
00:43:25
October 196 5 and a jury deliberated for 5 hours before finding him guilty you scared me guilty two charges of felony
00:43:35
murder in the first degree good after the verdict was read reporters asked assistant DA John Keenan why police had
00:43:43
pursued George Whitmore when they knew he was not the real killer and Keenan replied quote there were good and bad
00:43:50
policemen and he insisted that the defense had used Whitmore as a quote smoke screen to Cloud the case at least
00:43:56
he was honest like there's good there's some bad [ __ ] policeman out there and that's the truth they were on it there
00:44:01
are bad ones a month later Ricky robbles was sentenced to life in prison with the
00:44:06
possibility of parole after 26 years why yeah he is also you know he's not getting parole it's not happening no now
00:44:15
once investigators settled on George Whitmore as their suspect nearly everyone seemed convinced of his guilt
00:44:20
and never bothered to consider any alternatives and look what happened regardless of any of the evidence after
00:44:26
being kicked off the case in Manhattan detective Eddie Bulger believed his arrest of Whitmore would make his career
00:44:32
and vindicate him in the eyes of anyone who disapproved of his methods that was his whole how did that turn out for you
00:44:38
I was like did that help yeah did that work out like e you also hope that I mean this is like very obvious that he
00:44:44
just like steamrolled this entire thing yeah was any action taken against him neither he nor anyone else involved
00:44:53
in the false imprisonment and false arrest of GE Whitmore were ever held accountable at all for any of the
00:45:01
reprehensible actions that they committed nope wow they got nothing wow the fact that this man like
00:45:09
we were just saying like steamrolled this entire [ __ ] thing totally derailed it just was like bye see you
00:45:14
later like this is what I think so this is what happened and let's just throw this poor man in jail forever mhm and he
00:45:20
just got to he just got to keep on doing that probably who knows how many other cases race factored into that he was on
00:45:27
and he probably just did the like do you do the same thing like are other were other people falsely imprisoned because
00:45:32
of him like this isn't the first time he's done this or the last time like this is not something you just do and
00:45:38
that who who's I forget who the person was that made the comment of like there are good and bad police it's like you
00:45:43
sit there and you admit that and nothing is done about it yeah nothing's done they got nothing wow what a frustrating
00:45:50
case I'm glad that at the end like obviously like it's horrible but I'm glad that at the end of the day the
00:45:56
right person got put into prison but it's like but it's but it's he didn't so after he was released from prison George
00:46:03
Whitmore went back to New Jersey where he briefly owned and operated a fishing boat well good for him and eventually
00:46:08
worked odd jobs and just you know floated around and George um he he struggled a lot after this like he went
00:46:16
through a lot and he ended up dying of a heart attack on October 8th 2012 wow at
00:46:21
the age of 68 oh that's that's so young although his case in exoneration have become one of the most taught examples
00:46:28
of coercion and false arrest in the United States the state of New York never made any attempt to write the
00:46:35
wrongs committed against him or take responsibility for anything that happened during this just the fact that
00:46:40
he sued and didn't get anything in return like what he was put through his out but
00:46:47
it's so similar to like the Jesse Miss Kelly and the The West Memphis Three of it all like they don't get any get out
00:46:52
of here get yeah and deal with the rest your life deal with what's happening wow
00:46:58
now Ricky Robel when this was all going on cuz remember he was just out in the world while George Whitmore was being
00:47:03
railroaded here he watched the whole thing play out he watched Whitmore almost die for what he had done and he
00:47:11
was quoted as saying quote I didn't know what to do I didn't know how to get him
00:47:15
off and then he said I didn't want the guy to go to the electric chair but how could I help him without implicating
00:47:20
myself well that's the whole thing you couldn't but you knew what to do mhm why can't you implicate yourself you
00:47:27
this man should pay for what you did you did it he didn't like you that's what that's somebody that just like doesn't
00:47:35
have a conscience or a soul or any like that's that's completely soulless no and
00:47:40
there is there's a lot of sadness at the end of this case too so following the death of his daughter Max Wy did become
00:47:48
like a crusader against you know these kind of crimes and and he ended up authoring a book in 1964 titled career
00:47:55
girl watch your step oh uh like many in the media and law enforcement at the time Max wrote no matter how accustomed
00:48:02
to your own Community you may become never grow to feel safe in it feel threatened you are threatened you are
00:48:07
never safe that is such a social commentary on being a woman yeah no on September 24th 1968 Janice's mother
00:48:15
Isabelle actually died from cancer oh God and the following year Janice's sister Pam died of pneumonia oh my God
00:48:22
so he was like just alone he lost every both his children and after so much tragic loss in like the smallest span of
00:48:30
time in just like quick trigger warning cuz this is a very sad and to this case Max Wy checked into a motel in
00:48:37
Fredericksburg Virginia on September 21st 1975 and after calling the front desk to
00:48:43
report that he was having a heart attack he shot himself in the head with a 38 caliber revolver oh my God yeah during
00:48:50
the trial it was also learned that during the initial canvas the police had spoken to Ricky
00:48:59
robbles no but his mother no no lied to detectives and told them on the day of the murders her son was at her apartment
00:49:08
asleep on the couch you don't there's no excuse for that there's no [ __ ] see me
00:49:13
but I'm flipping this woman off right now no [ __ ] you no two people's daughters were
00:49:23
viciously brutal savagely murdered by your son you can go ahead and say I don't think he did it
00:49:31
but you know so well he was not asleep on your couch yeah you don't lie I understand like the inherent like need
00:49:39
or or urge to protect your child but not when they're in the wrong like that and
00:49:44
you don't lie you don't say he was there when he wasn't because it's like dude that's going to come back you don't know
00:49:49
that you're that's going to come back and how do you I'm sorry how do you live with yourself after I couldn't derailing
00:49:54
and and that's the thing thing derailing the investigation and then look at George Whitmore exactly like come on man
00:50:00
wow what a frustrating case all the way to the very end Ricky robbles maintained
00:50:04
his innocence until 1986 when hoping that he was going to win parole he admitted to the parole board that he
00:50:11
murdered Janice Wy and Emily hawford and Robel has consistently been denied parole and is currently serving his
00:50:17
sentence at the Attica Correctional Facility in Upstate New York wow because after he admitted to it he of course was
00:50:24
like no I'm innocent this is [ __ ] and that is the career girl murder case oh what a tragic frustrating
00:50:33
yeah Janice Wy and Emily hawford so sad and just how senseless that was and the brutality attached to such a senseless
00:50:42
murder like yeah wow wow like flabbergasting it really is and it's the crime itself is
00:50:51
so [ __ ] up and so brutal and so horrific and then the investigation afterwards is even it's the it's it's
00:50:58
also brutal and horrible and [ __ ] up well and I was so expecting I was I was so expecting you to say that it was
00:51:04
somebody that knew Janice and like had previously dated her or like felt as though she wronged them in some way like
00:51:12
they were going off of too like how just personal it is to stab somebody over 60
00:51:19
times and he and she seemed to get more yeah she did get I mean Emily was also brutalized but
00:51:27
like Janice too yeah it's just crazy he also he' come in there and immediately decided he was sexually assaulting her
00:51:36
and it was and I didn't go into the details cuz I just don't want to it was a brutal sexual assault she went through
00:51:42
a brutal sexual assault by this [ __ ] pig he is a pig before he did so it's like he he's a monster wow we need a
00:51:52
pallet cleanser brother yeah yeah we do so yeah well with that we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it
00:52:03
but not so weird that you watch somebody take the fall for a heinous crime that you committed yeah don't keep it that
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