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hey weirdos it's crimas it's the holidays it's whatever you celebrate you festive fiends I hope you're having an
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amazing holiday break hopefully you sound like the contest today do I yeah I'm sick you sound like Ronnie and Ben's
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impersonation of count I'm sick right now but in the future where you are yeah I won't be and I will be enjoying some
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time with my family the fam dily for the holidays and I'm excited about that and
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I hope you guys are too yeah so we decided to revisit a tale that is horrifying but has an amazing ending
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it's incredible the ending Julian capka is literally a miracle she's astounding like talk about a miracle at Christmas
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juli a chis Miracle a criis miracle yeah she's a she's crazy a harrowing tale and
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it's definitely one worth listening to so we wanted to give you guys this for another little rewind to one of our
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favorite episodes our favorite cases to cover yeah just give you a little something for the holidays you know we
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needed a little bit of time off to spend with the family but you can still enjoy
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an older episode exactly and it's a story of like bravery and hope and perseverance and being a badass yeah
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it's a perfect holiday tale wait let's let's cap off the year with that and go into
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2025 like with the spirit of Julianne I can't wait for 2025 so let's take 2025 like Julianne said [ __ ] you jungle I'm
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getting out of here yeah that's what we're going to do in 2025 everybody so please enjoy jul capka
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she's [ __ ] amazing and so are you happy holidays Merry holidays love your faces
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off beep hey weirdos I'm Elina I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid yeah it is today we're doing a
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Survivor tale oo I feel like we haven't done a Survivor Tale in a minute we have
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not and this one I have had on my list forever but was scared to do it because it's a plane crash Survivor have you
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ever really talked that in depth about your fear of f I've probably mentioned it I don't know how how far I've gone
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into it so we're going to be covering um the survival tale of Julianne Copa um this was back in 1971
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we're going to go through what happened her life and her journey after she survived
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Julianne I'm telling you guys after you hear this go read her book like go to learn more about her like like she is
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such an inspiring lady oo so inspiring like outrageously inspiring she flies all the time now after this and when you
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hear what happened you're going to be like excuse me so this is actually I didn't know if this was going to help or
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hurt do you think it helped I think it helped okay because I'm like well [ __ ] me if Julianne can get on flights what
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the hell am I complaining about like what the hell you're like I've never gone down in a fiery crash oh Lord why
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would you say that out loud so Jesus Christ well I didn't mean it like that um I thought we were
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out never will knocking on all the wood but yeah uh so no sorry so so I have a uh debilitating fear of flying yes and
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when I say debilitating I mean uh Ash witnessed it for the first time last year yeah and I literally walk into the
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plane in tears like I I've seen Elena cry maybe like a handful of times in my life I think like when sad things in our
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family have happened or like Bubba like I would say like maybe three to five times and you walking onto a plane was
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one of them and I've also never seen you look scared yeah other than when you're
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getting on a plane it's honestly I can say for sure it's the only time I feel completely out of control of myself and
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my emotions well you kind of I mean you are control truly fearful like I have never felt fear like I fell walking onto
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a plane I think a fear of flying is one of the easiest fears to kind of comprehend like from an outsider's
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perspective cuz it it makes sense cuz you're just kind of like how do we fly up there how do it happen I don't like
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to think about it too much but honestly thinking about it actually helps more because it will help you understand
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that's at least it helped me yeah I don't know if it'll help everybody I'm not going to sit here and be like it'll
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help everyone across the board but I can tell you the people I've talked to that
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also have dealt with fears of flying so they found comfort in look like there's a lot of books and honestly I'll I'm
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going to link the books in the show notes to just in case some of you have a fear of flying it's a common fear you
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know and I'm telling you I don't know if you have a fear of flying if listening to this episode is going to help or hurt
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you so I'm not going to sit here and claim it did it helped me researching it but I don't know if it's going to freak
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someone out that has a fear of flying so just know that going in but I will link
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the books because I got a few books that helped like understand the mechanics of
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flying okay and understand the physics and understand airf flow and understand wind shear and understand what
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turbulence actually is and jell it makes you understand the whole thing so you're
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kind of up there and you're like all right so that's what that bump was okay so that bump isn't a big deal because
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that's what's happening or like you know the the the Earth is cooling at an irregular rate and that's why I felt a
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little bump because it let like push some a up like and it's actually kind of interesting okay yeah I mean well and
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you love science too so it's very sciencey it's like a nice way of just like making it tangible I think like I
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need something that I can hold on to I just statistics don't really help me I need like tangible things to be like
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understand that this makes sense but I will tell you that I I'm literally like like I I get all the physical symptoms
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of anxiety on a flight I I burst into tears in the middle of a flight as soon as a bump hits I will look over at John
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and he always says the look in my eyes is like nothing he's ever seen like it's always just pure fear oh yeah when we
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flew together me and Drew were in the front and you were closer to the back and watching you uh walk to your seat I
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I've never in my life seen you look as scared us in that moment it's like walking to an execution to me it's like
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what I would think it looked like yeah like walking Down The Green Mile I feel like that's how it feels to me but after
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like learning about all this I was like well Julian just gets on planes now that's crazy and she just gets on planes
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to do like really good [ __ ] for like the environment and for like animals and to
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like further research and [ __ ] and to like better herself and I'm like well if
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Julian can do that after what I'm about to tell you like I can stop are you having like um like a Patrick suy Don uh
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Donnie Darko moment with the little kid and he's like I'm not afraid I'm not afraid anymore that's literally me right
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now let's hope it carries on until like going to Disney with the kids and stuff and getting on a plane but you know this
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is this is an amazing tale so first I'm going to talk about you know Julianne who she is how she grew up because it is
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a huge part of how she survived okay so we're going to talk about Julianne Copa and like I said I'm terrified of flying
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so this was definitely immersive therapy for me and I'm glad I did it finally um
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but I know that things have changed in Airline safety now and that this wasn't even in you know the United States so it
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was like a totally different set of protocols and all that this was also in the 70s anything went we're going to
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find out that this Airline was not great this quote unquote Airline I honestly would say quote unquote Airline it's not
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around anymore it ended right after this actually so don't worry about that but but this is a terrifying tale that does
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it does turn into like a tale of perseverance of strength of like inspiration it's wild Julian's a badass
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she's a real Testament to what the human body the mind and honestly like the human Spirit can withstand and endure um
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so what happened was December 24th 1971 17-year-old Julianne Copa and her mother
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Maria were set to take a flight to paopa from Lima Peru pppo was about 450 Mi away from where they were and the flight
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would have only been about an hour they had done it before but the airline they were essentially forced to take this
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flight on had a long history of tragic and terrifying air disasters and in fact the plane that they took this flight on
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was the only plane that the airplane Airline had left because they had lost so many planes are you [ __ ] kidding
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me this was it yeah oh so backing up we're going to talk about Julianne first Julianne Copa was born in October of
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1954 in Lima Peru her parents were Maria who she took this flight with and her father was Hans wilheim originally he
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was from Germany um Hans and Maria had met each other while they were in a biology doctoral doctorial doctoral
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program in Keel oh how [ __ ] rad they were both brilliant clearly like brilliant this is a brilliant family
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they had focused and excelled in studying Ornithology and this is the study of birds essentially oh cool they
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also were heavily focused purely on zoology they were just very interested in animals like Flora of the Amazon they
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were they the research they did is like outrageous and it's still going on today
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um once they graduated they were looking to live in an area where they could like
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really dig their heels in and have a diverse and exciting field to put their degrees to good use in they found that
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Peru was just that place because there was a lot of unexplored areas of very highly diverse creatures there so they
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moved together and they married there as well and this was a massive thing at the
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time because during this time it was wildly taboo and completely unheard of really for a woman to even get a
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doctorate degree especially in a scientific field of study but then Maria took it to another level when she moved
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with Hans to a foreign country before they were even married level up level up taboo
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taboo Maria was a super strong really determined and completely capable woman and Julianne is exactly like her in
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every way truly in fact this is likely what allowed Julianne to survive when the odds were catastrophically stacked
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against her in fact just to show you what kind of woman Maria was she was once on a two-month Excursion into the
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Amazon in 1955 when she was involved in a severe accident A truck hit a power line and it
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ended up hitting Maria oh man she lost her sense of smell and taste from this and suffered serious injuries but her
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only concern was how she was missing work and wanted to get back to it oh my God like just like I want to keep doing
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my research good for her julienne later said that when she was able to see her mother in her work environment she was
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struck by how patient and tenacious at the same time she was and she said nothing would DET her mother from a goal
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she this served her really well because Maria published several books and P pamphlets on zoology and Ornithology and
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was one of the most renowned or anthologists in Peru how incredible is that and this is that's incredible
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anyways but the fact that women just like weren't really allowed to do this back then or weren't credited she just
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plowed through any boundaries that were like figurative or physical in front of her was like no I'm doing this she was
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like I don't give a [ __ ] I'm going to do it yeah she's a badass now her father
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Hans was just like Maria like they found their match in each other Hans was someone who never backed down and never
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complained either he just did what he wanted to do did what he had to do never complained whenever I hear about
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somebody that doesn't complain I'm like I complain so much and then I'm like I should stop doing that like H yeah I
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know but he had a lot of adventure and a lot of hard work under his belt and Julian was always in awe of him as well
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of her as her mother she said she was just always impressed by her parents those are like the two most incredible
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Role Models you could have and it's like that's all you want as a parent is for your kid to be like wow I'm in awe of my
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parents totally you know and he actually wrote a book about zoology and am aminals
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amals I the kids too much I did and I was about to say Amazon and animals at the same time so I just revers them
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animals in the Amazon rainforest called the basis for universally valid biological theory that do you know it uh
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it's a massive Tome of knowledge at over 1600 pages and covers everything you could ever want to know about animal
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life in the rainforest that's wild like wild wildly he had survived his own perils in his lifetime as well he had
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been offered a job in South America and this being the 14 the 1940s when this happened um he had to make his own way
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there so he hitch hitchhiked and hiked on his own through the Alps to get there the [ __ ] then when he was later in Italy
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for his studies he was kidnapped and held in a prison camp in Naples and he escaped and my ass this morning is like
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I don't want to get out of f yeah I was like tired like they didn't do my coffee
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right at Starbucks [ __ ] my whole day is ruined like godamn this honestly this was a good it's a wake Cas to begin the
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new year with yeah because it gave me this like Oh shut the [ __ ] up energy like just do your job so what she wrote
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in her book which is I fell from the sky oh yeah it's I'll again I'll link it in
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the show notes when I fell from the sky it's an amazing book I'm proud of you for even saying those words yeah it's an
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amazing book it really imagine but my God is it terrifying she said I often think of my father's long arduous
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Odyssey when I find myself in danger of becoming a little dispirited yeah and she said his story is an illustration
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for me that it pays not to let things get you down girl I'm saying isn't this this is a good like happy New Year let's
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listen to Julian Julien is writing my Anthem they she is she's writing everything so they had both built really
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impressive lives and careers around themselves through hard work and just discipline and perseverance and passion
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they were thriving as a family after their wedding in Lima Peru Maria found out that she was pregnant with her
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remarkable daughter Julianne I love this story so far but I'm getting sad cuz I know I know they did have a wonderful
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life together I will say that good after Julian was born in 1951 hans's brother uh Yokum moved to Lima as well and this
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was hans's brother y uh unfortunately Yokum he died shortly after moving due to spasms I guess but it was tragic and
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still the cause of death is completely unknown and after his death hans's mother and his sister traveled to Peru
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to be with the little family and to kind of just like welcome Julianne into the world kind of like a sad moment yeah do
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you think spasms was like seizures I think it probably was just didn't realize it yeah I imagine that it was
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probably like you know epilepsy right now Julian's childhood seemed like it was pretty wonderful I could it sounds
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like it she remembers being surrounded by animals and family which sounds pretty great for a kid oh my God it's
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like the [ __ ] Wild Thornberries really is it just hit me there you go she also learned compassion and hard
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work very early on from her very impressive and very hardworking parents she would help her mother a lot nursing
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sick birds and taking care of young chicks that lived in their home God because Maria would take in any sick
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bird and she would nurse them back to health always love can you imagine how rewarding that would be and seeing your
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mother like that is teaching true empathy and compassion for something that you that like most people don't
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show compassion for it's so true and something that can't give anything back to you it's just something that you are
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purely giving to and not getting anything back but you just a sense of I helped that that's the main thing there
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is like it can't do anything for I mean you know it it can be beautiful exactly but it's return it's not going to sit
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there and like you know pay the bill at the end you know just going to say that but in fact through all of the hundreds
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and hundreds of birds that Maria and her daughter brought into their home sick or
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injured not one of them died under Maria's care wow all of them were saved the importance of compassion and
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kindness were certainly a big deal in their home but they also needed to make sure that Julianne knew the Perils of
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living in the Amazon rainforest they taught her a deep appreciation for the Wonders but also the vast dangers that
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lurked within it totally she was quickly shown how to survive and navigate the world around her without modern
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technology they wanted her to always be prepared to make something out of absolutely nothing nothing and it's so
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fortunate that they did that I was going to say it sounds like it would have been
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a major key oh the most so they took her as young as 5 years old onto hikes with
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them through the Amazon where they would camp out in very simple tents or sleeping open and sleeping bags wow and
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taught her how to survive there my goodness and what to avoid what would help her what kind of things she could
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eat what she shouldn't even touch how animals act around humans when they're going to attack how animals act when
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they are just curious you know all of that but because of her parents hard work and willingness to make themselves
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uncomfortable for their careers and betterment of their family's lives they were doing pretty well financially they
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had a maid Alita who Julien became very close to in fact she is still close to her today I love that they still have a
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relationship she had very fond memories of this time in her life and she said the people that she was surrounded by
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like the best kind of people sounds like it when she was of age Julianne attended
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the Alexander Von homol school um it's a German Peruvian private school in Lima this school was pretty prestigious and
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was mainly catered towards International students from like pretty wealthy families she had friends and again holds
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very good memories of this time in her life she said every she was a very normal kid very happy very healthy yeah
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it had always been Hans and Maria's dream to take their research and conservation passions and skills to
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another level and they wanted to open a conservation and Research Center in the Peruvian jungle how [ __ ] awesome and
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they did I knew it of course they did you didn't even have to say that they did they were finally able to achieve
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this in 1968 when they opened their facility called panguana in 1968 there they planned to live deep in
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the Peruvian jungle they thought for about 5 years studying the native flora and fauna the thing was panguana was far
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away like really far into the jungle it took days and days and days to travel through Rivers Trails jungles it was
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super dangerous it was long it was arduous during their Trek they would sleep wrapped in wool blankets on
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Riverbanks God and had to truly use all of their skills to survive together but Julianne later said that at the time of
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this journey she was 14 years old wow and she said at the time she wasn't psyched at the idea of living in the
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jungle for years she's like I loved the whole thing but like I didn't want to actually live in the J jungle for years
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she said quote I was less than thrilled by the idea of living in the jungle I imagined sitting all day in the Gloom
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under tall trees whose dense canopy of leaves wouldn't let a single Ray of sunlight in but luckily because of her
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closeness with her parents and her adventurous and very adaptive Spirit she was able to really find that she loved
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living in the jungle with her parents she leaned in it wasn't easy though they had a house that was on stilts and had
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no like it had like half walls and just like a canopy over it wow it had to be really high like very high to stay away
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from predators and flooding and she would have to stay away from poisonous creatures like spiders and snakes and
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all that while doing just about everything yeah anything like sleeping yeah and all manner of animals were all
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up in her business at any given time like bats in like in the house like you know fruit bats and they would there
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would be all kinds of like things just crawling in there and they'd have to make sure that they were out and not
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poisonous there was no electricity no water because they didn't want any modern devices making noise to scare
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animals away like they didn't want a generator cuz that would keep all animals away right so they just they
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were researching so her whole life had led up to this she had been taught to survive
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thrive and to live with animals in the wild her whole life and now she was legitimately putting those skills to the
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test and she was gaining a lot of new ones every day that she lived there she became even closer to her parents during
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this time and they really soaked in what they had to teach her while she was there now after a year and a half in
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1970 unfortunately this way of life had had to come to an end because the powers
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that be started to become concerned that Julianne although she was doing homeschooling was not receiving a proper
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education in the jungle and they said if she didn't return to Lima to take on a regular school curriculum they weren't
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going to let her graduate they all understood this I was going to say you have to no one fought this everyone was
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like we get it yeah well and they are two people that are like college educated and they were like you know
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what she has great experience plenty and we are glad we gave that to her and now
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she's got to do this but now she can finish she can always come back exactly now luckily because she was surrounded
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her whole life by her family and people who loved her um she was able to stay with family friends in Lima and continue
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her schooling at the same school while her parents stayed at panguana okay now Julian was always one to adapt in the
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jungle and in social situations she was a Survivor through and through so she fell right back into the traditional
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like School environment like nothing happened can you imagine one day and you're you're in the jungle and the next
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you're in a desk yeah I've just been living in the jungle for a year and a half and here I am I'm at a desk and
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like nothing's changed like we got new kids all the time but like none like that imagine that [ __ ] new kid
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showing up not that she was new she was jul it's like whatever like nothing's changed so cool she fell right back into
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the Traditional School environment right back in with her group of friends she refer to this as quote a wonderful
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light-hearted time and one that helped her grow in a different way than her adventurous time in the jungle day yeah
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so the following year in December of 1971 Julianne had blasted through her curriculum and had earned the credits
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and all the grades to graduate she would graduate on December 23rd 1971 she was also looking forward to the
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fiesta de prom promo I believe it is which is a party thrown by the school to celebrate graduation as well that's
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awesome her mother Maria traveled to Lima that November to spend time with julienne and they had planned to fly
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back to paopa after graduation they would spend the holidays together and the Maria would travel back
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to panguana Maria had actually intended to leave a few days earlier but Julianne
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had wanted her understandably to stay for graduation so she stayed she didn't leave earlier so Maria initially tried
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to book them a flight on faucet Airlines but unfortun Ely with the holidays there
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was no tickets so the literal only option they had was lan Airlines because they were the only other airline that
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actually flew to poopa this Airline was bad it had a very bad history of crashes
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and mishaps and Hans that her father was horrified that they were going to be flying on it well you said they only had
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one plane left cuz all the others had been demolished yeah this is the last plane that's like that alone I'd be like
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no no Hans actually insisted they cancel and book with another airline even if it
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meant staying another day he was like I don't want you coming on that but Maria wanted to get back home really bad and
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she didn't want to wait so Lan had 20 years of terrible history behind it in 1971 just to name a few a 1948 at lancea
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flight from Colombia crashed 5 minutes after takeoff and killed everyone on board oh my God most of these crashes by
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the way if not all of them are due to Pilot error and lack maintenance on the planes so they just weren't they didn't
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care they were hiring anybody and not taking care of their planes less than two years after that a lance of flight
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crashed into the side of a volcano in southern Colombia oh my God and one year after that another crash occurred where
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27 passengers and crew were all killed in 1966 a lan of Flight 101 carrying 49 people went missing in the Andes and it
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was found that due to Pilot error it had crashed into a mountain side my God in 1970 a lance oflight 502 from Cusco to
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Lima carrying 99 passengers 50 high school students as well dropped from the sky when an engine stopped working
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because it caught on [ __ ] fire oh my God LAX engine maintenance and pilot error were were this issue double time
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so it was checkered God it it's like you're how are you flying to the side of a volcano in a mountain you're not
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supposed to be that low no supposed to be way up it's pilot error these are all nothing is being maintained was being
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maintained on this air like were they Pilots even that's what I'm saying so this was definitely checkered uh it was
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bad it was tragic nightmare airline in fact people would say about Lan lancea lands on its belly ah but sometimes
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these things these things seem less dire when you really want to get home and sometimes
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you don't take it all into consideration it's like one of those things or when you're 19 and you book a little bit of a
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wild flight to Texas and you're just like oh the $120 flight I'll take it yeah you did that so I'm still astounded
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by that I did there and back I'm astounded by that that was a cheap ass flight so Maria told actually said to
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Hans not every plane's going to crash and book the tickets for December 24th so Christmas Eve Julie and her
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mother arrived to chaos at the airport because of the booked Airlines everyone was vying for the remaining lances
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flight and since Lan had crashed so many planes like I said they only had the one
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there was one plane left in this entire Airline but this one plane Julianne said
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she looked out and she was like I don't know it looked brand new to me all right
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she's like it looked fine like it didn't look like it was beat up it's not like I
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looked over there and there's like a propeller hanging from it like it's just like wasn't all crusty and Dusty it
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looked like a plane so she said she believed it looked completely fine completely fright like to this day she's
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like it's not if I had looked out there and it looked janky I probably would have questioned a little bit but she was
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like you look at a plane that looks brand new you don't know what the hell are you supposed to know exactly now Lan
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oflight 508 model l188 88a was actually a plane that was designed specifically for flying in
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desert conditions so not the rain Forest no this would be a flight through the Andes it was not made for this at all
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and actually could not withstand heavy tur turbulence which you would undoubtedly face over mountains in
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rainforest oh no as if this isn't bad enough like and this is wild as if it wasn't bad enough this plane was also
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made with spare parts of other airl airplan airplanes I don't know why I can't talk sorry spare parts spare parts
00:28:56
from like whatever plane girly this was a junkyard plane this was just put to it
00:29:01
was a Frankenstein plane this was Herby fully loaded but worse this was Herby not loaded this was yeah this is bad
00:29:09
this is just herb but at the time no one knew this so it's like no one was told hey by the way this plane is made from
00:29:17
pieces of other planes I think they would all question that a little bit oh my God I like can't breathe now Maria
00:29:23
and Julianne sat in the second to last row 19 the flight like I said was supposed to be an hour and there were 92
00:29:30
passengers on board about halfway into the flight 30 minutes or so they brought lunch and as they collected it a bit
00:29:36
later they entered directly into a stormy patch of clouds uh a thunderstorm Julian now I know now after doing a lot
00:29:46
of research that like Pilots don't want to fly through storms and they don't they will divert the airplane around the
00:29:53
storm even if it means adding some extra time to your flight of course I would much rather that and we would all much
00:30:00
rather that Julianne says she felt a jolt in some severe turbulence luggage and things began falling from the
00:30:06
overhead bins Panic started ensuing pretty immediately she said and this is going to get very this I can feel my
00:30:14
entire body like lighting up right now so if you have a fear of flying even if you don't I am going to talk about a
00:30:20
pretty SP car experience on a plane yeah if you would like to skip ahead a little
00:30:24
bit I understand if you don't want to hear this part it's going to be pretty quick I don't have a and I'm like not
00:30:30
even kidding you I'm in my like Fighter for she like holding her hands so this is like a little scary I just want to
00:30:35
tell everybody um because this is like woo like my whole body but this immersive therapy we're going to be okay
00:30:41
proud of you for doing this oh all right so she said cuz I'm like Julian lived this so I can talk about it you know I
00:30:48
mean like like if she can live through this and get on another plane I can [ __ ] talk about it and her story
00:30:53
deserves recognition cuz she's a [ __ ] badass and I'm assuming Maria pass her stes so she said her mother was clearly
00:31:02
anxious as this began happening and then she remembers a flash of white light as
00:31:07
lightning struck the white right wing of the plane oh my God now I would like to
00:31:12
say right now lightning hits planes yeah that happens toy Cyrus recently but there are things put in Planes now and
00:31:21
have been for a while that divert the energy from that lightning out of the plane so it does not touch the
00:31:28
electrical system it's not going to explode the electrical system in fact if it does anything to a plane which it
00:31:35
rarely does anything you never have any evidence of a lightning strike it can literally like make a pole that's like a
00:31:41
dime size in the and it will do nothing okay just to put that out there cuz I looked it up yeah I scared of it but
00:31:49
it's something that is in the plane that literally like throws the energy out of
00:31:55
the plane it diverts it across the wings and out of the Wings and you can actually see the pieces on the wings
00:32:01
that do this which is interesting that will throw that energy out off the wings so it's it's very interesting and that's
00:32:07
why I'm going to link these books okay I think even if you don't have a fear flying it just might be very interesting
00:32:12
to see how this all works I'm interested but back then no no and not on the spare
00:32:18
part plane no yeah that's was not happening so what happened was when the lightning struck the right wing of the
00:32:24
plane this lightning hit the plane like it was something that had absolutely zero things in place to divert that
00:32:30
energy so that just was like lightning hitting an object so she said quote with a jolt the tip of the airplane falls
00:32:39
sleep steeply down forward I can see the whole aisle to the cockpit which is below me people are screaming in panic
00:32:47
shrill cries for help the roar this is the part that I was like uh the Roar of the plummeting turbines which I will
00:32:54
hear again and and again in my dreams engulfs me this part gets me every time the last thing she heard which she said
00:33:03
was clear as glass over everything was her mother saying quietly and calmly now it's all
00:33:10
over oh my God how immediately afterwards the plane went into a sharp nose dive right after she said that and
00:33:18
she said she said the turbines I couldn't hear them I couldn't hear anyone else screaming I just heard my
00:33:24
mother say now it's all over oh my God I am liter my entire body is lit up I am covered in
00:33:32
chills oh my God and your oh to hear your mom say that now it's all over and your badass mom who you have seen face
00:33:40
everything in this world and do everything she could not even to cry it not even to yell it just quietly and
00:33:46
calmly say now it's all over a lot of people say that like the moment before you realize you're about to die it's
00:33:53
weirdly calm Cal a lot of people say that it just this is even scarier when Julian opened
00:34:01
her eyes again cuz she said she could hear those turbines that Roar cuz we've all heard that in like TV or movies when
00:34:08
you hear that like a plane something happen or even when you're starting to land you hear that like like it's that
00:34:15
but those are so much louder and she said it kind of like blacked her out yeah in the nose dive obviously so when
00:34:23
Julian opened her eyes again she was outside of the plane and no she was not on the ground she was 10,000 ft in the
00:34:32
[ __ ] air and still strapped to her seat with the row of seats still attached to her seat just Free Falling
00:34:40
Falling outside of the plane her row two miles up what yep her row of seats just freef
00:34:49
falling from the sky with her still strapped to her seat what it was wner Herzog who later
00:34:57
said about that and we'll talk about Herzog after this too he he said it pretty perfectly he said she did not
00:35:04
leave the airplane the airplane left her yeah and as chilling as that statement is it's also very correct the plane had
00:35:11
been essentially blown apart by the lightning and her row of seats with her still strapped to it was spiraling to
00:35:18
the Earth and julienne was just going in and out of Consciousness so was her mother like thrown from yeah her mother
00:35:24
was not in the seat next to her anymore oh my God and if you think about those little um
00:35:31
like peep pod things that like are little helicopters you make the little helicopters out of they're like that
00:35:36
little Boomerang shape Y how if you do that like you flip it and it kind of spirals down to the ground if you can
00:35:42
think of that that's what her seat was doing that's essentially what her seat was doing my God now interesting like a
00:35:49
quick little interesting note about uh we her Herzog cuz I just mentioned him he was supposed to be on Lance of Flight
00:35:55
508 oh [ __ ] that Day on in 1971 he he and his entire film crew had been scouting locations for his film The
00:36:04
Wrath of God and they were intended to be on that flight to head out to a scout a scout location but because of all the
00:36:10
chaos at the airport and this being the only flight he was not able to get a seat and he made arrangements for
00:36:16
another fight imagine all the people that weren't able to get a seat finding out about this plane crash and later he
00:36:22
took this brush with fade and he he went back to this and he did something with Julianne so we'll get to that after but
00:36:31
she survived remember she survived falling more than 10,000 ft to the ground outside of the plane tra strapped
00:36:39
to a row of seats how now Julianne being brilliant attributes her survival partially to this row of seats she was
00:36:47
still trapped to like I said it began spiraling as she fell and this caused wind resistance and it caused it to slow
00:36:56
as she was falling right then she also crashed into the canopy of the Jungle below there were trees leaves
00:37:03
Vines other vegetation that had she had already slowed thanks to that spiraling which was also bringing her in and out
00:37:09
of Consciousness God so she was also not tensed up cuz she was not even there right so it's spiraling creating the
00:37:18
wind resistance she's limp and then she hits the canopy which slows her down CAU
00:37:23
her she hit the ground below and immediately the world went black after an unknown period of time Julianne began
00:37:30
to have strange connected dreams she said she said first she was running through a tight dark space and she was
00:37:36
trying not to touch any of the walls and she said it was loud with a roaring humming sound like anine like a turbine
00:37:43
surrounding her and before she knew it she was shot into another dream where she was obsessively wanting to wash
00:37:50
herself because she was sticky and covered in mud huh she said in the dream she kept thinking one thing all you have
00:37:56
to do is get up okay and then she woke up she was no longer attached to the row of seats she had become come unbuckled
00:38:05
at some point but she was now huddled beneath them instead and it had rained she was soaking wet and covered in mud
00:38:12
dirt and blood oh my God she was hurt but her injuries will shock you when you consider that she fell 10,000 ft from a
00:38:22
plane that essentially blew up uh-huh she had a severe concussion that had her and a cut over her left eye and it
00:38:30
caused it to swell shut like huge she had a broken clavicle which that's a that hurts I'm not saying any of these
00:38:37
injuries are good or easy no but when you like you would expect her to be falling 10,000 feet I thought she'd be
00:38:43
in pieces to be quite honest all her bones broken now a very deep lateration on her arm and a pretty big open gash on
00:38:49
her leg oh later she found out she had ruptured a ligament in her knee but she didn't even know about it and she said
00:38:56
weirdly she didn't didn't feel pain at the time that's wild her body must have just she was in shock coursing with
00:39:02
adrenaline Julian said her first thoughts that were clear were ones of helplessness and quote a boundless
00:39:09
feeling of Abandonment I mean yeah you're all alone she saw no one around her either she didn't see bodies she saw
00:39:17
nothing she was like I'm alone I'm completely alone like like you said including her mother and she also had
00:39:23
lost her glasses which she needed to see oh no she managed to crawl from beneath
00:39:28
the row of seats and stand up everyone take that in for a minute she fell 10,000 ft strapped to a row of seats
00:39:37
outside a [ __ ] plane that blew up and then she just stood up like what stood up and she had blown apart a ligament in
00:39:45
her knee and stood up now unfortunately she immediately blacked out upon standing but Jesus so Flight 508 was
00:39:52
scheduled to land at 4:30 p.m. that day and when it didn't show up with no communic
00:39:58
everyone started to panic because this is L Airlines family and loved ones were trying to get information from Lan
00:40:04
officials but they were giving out contradictory and half statements they had no idea what had happened they had
00:40:10
they were just out like completely in the dark a search operation was started and is still the largest in the history
00:40:16
of Peru wow but it was still pretty small because it was the holidays and most of the officials were gone for the
00:40:23
holidays also there was no communication from the plane and the thick can copy of
00:40:27
the Jungle hid the crash site oh so helicopters were sent over the site several times and Rescue Planes but they
00:40:35
couldn't see the crash through the trees right Julianne however could hear and see them but was helpless to tell them
00:40:43
she was down there no throughout her entire Journey Rescue Planes flew above her and
00:40:49
she would just look up and be like and she'd tried to yell for them tried to show them but they never saw her oh cuz
00:40:54
she was not rescued by a rescue plane wow so day two so she was out for the entire
00:41:00
day she blacked out gone didn't wake up until the next day which was Christmas morning yeah exactly and she was unable
00:41:07
to stand without passing out but she fought and fought tried to do it slowly and slowly but she kep passing out
00:41:13
coming back that concussion must have been gnarly and think about how sick and awful you feel when you pass out if
00:41:19
you've ever passed out she was just doing it over and over again just trying to stand up that's so much on your body
00:41:25
and she finally got herself onto her knees and she stayed conscious and after a lot of time and a lot of struggle she
00:41:31
was finally able to stand and when she did this is when she realized that her clavicle was broken o she said
00:41:39
horrifyingly quote the two ends had pushed on top of each other oh but they had not broken the
00:41:46
skin and she couldn't feel the pain from it what so she could feel the two ends that had broken pushed on top of each
00:41:54
other like the middle part like that over could feel it which I'm sure was an outrageous even if it wasn't pain that
00:42:02
she could feel it was outrageously uncomfortable she dealt with this for 11 days oh my God 11 days and she has like
00:42:10
multiple open wounds oh yeah she was shocked that she was not feeling a lot of pain and once she had stood and
00:42:17
assessed her surroundings she was again confronted with the reality that her mother who had been sitting in the seat
00:42:22
next to her was nowhere to be found right no one was she wasn't seeing any one she was completely alone not even
00:42:29
bodies and she said it was the loneliness of this that was the worst part of course she said it made it made
00:42:34
it her mission to find her mother she was like even if my mom is dead I need to find my mom now this is when those
00:42:41
instincts in those years of her parents teaching her survival and strength kicked right in it's almost like her
00:42:47
whole life led up to this led to this yeah she was in the jungle she knew the jungle she knew how to survive this and
00:42:53
although she had never done it under these kind of circumstances she was ready to be that bad [ __ ] that she is
00:43:00
and in her book Julianne says that she immediately told herself one thing she said quote with calm and methodical
00:43:06
thinking you could Master almost any situation in which you end up in in nature I think that's such a good motto
00:43:13
to live by calm and methodical thinking is like my lifeline always so true and I
00:43:19
think it really is if you can calm yourself which is no easy task and you can get into that methodical thinking
00:43:25
space you really can get through most things that's exactly how you get out of an anxiety attack it's true but it's an
00:43:31
easier said than done but like you can do it if you really really find the tools to do it m now Julian said first
00:43:37
things first of course I want to find my mother but I need to put my oxygen mask
00:43:42
on first before anybody else's so she knew the first thing she had to do was find a source of of fresh water a human
00:43:49
can only last 3 days without water she started licking the leaves she found because it had rained so she was licking
00:43:56
water off of all the leaves and like drinking it off the leaves smart and she hadn't found a bigger source of water so
00:44:02
this was just going to have to hold her over now not only could she not see any bodies or people at all around her but
00:44:08
she said there was barely any plane wreckage around her either weird but luckily she did find a bag of candy and
00:44:15
a Christmas Stalin which is like a fruit cake oh that's that somebody had had in
00:44:19
there um unfortunately the the uh Christmas fruit cake had sat in the mud and rain for 2 days and it was soaked in
00:44:26
like muddy disgusting Julianne left it she took the bag of candy and left that she says now
00:44:32
she definitely should have taken it okay but at the time she was like [ __ ] that
00:44:36
that's gross well and she probably also was thinking like maybe like exactly but she says now she's like
00:44:42
I probably should have taken that fruit cake but just like cut the top off yeah I mean I think we can all forgive her
00:44:47
this little uh Mi mistake I suppose considering she fell out of a [ __ ] the sky yeah I would say she spent hours
00:44:54
around the craft site searching for supplies anything that could help her with survival she found no bodies no
00:45:00
survivors and no real supplies she could use either wow uh it was these hours that she first heard the rescue plane
00:45:07
above her oh she had nothing to signal with and told herself she had to make her way to people because she was like
00:45:14
they're not going to find me I have to find them so as she realizes this she hears the sound of Dripping and running
00:45:20
water okay we love it and so she follows it she found a river and she followed it
00:45:26
Downstream from hours and literally climbed over trees and huge Boulders bushwhacked her way along the river
00:45:33
until night came remember what just happened to her she's incredibly concussed she fell 10,000 ft from the
00:45:40
sky her clavicles are overlapping she has multiple lacerations and one of her eyes is swollen shut and she also can't
00:45:48
see without her glasses yeah that just that yeah like I did a pelaton ride last night and was
00:45:58
exhausted I was exhausted I was nauseous cuz I was hot and I was like oh my God me while you're just like in your attic
00:46:05
yeah and I'm like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you like this has put so much in
00:46:09
perspective for me I'm like [ __ ] literally godamn my ass got a facial last night was like well I can't work
00:46:14
out tomorrow can't do that damn yeah like Julianne thank you thank you for being who you are so night came she was
00:46:23
clearly exhausted and she found a place next to the stream where she just fell as sleep at this time news of the crash
00:46:29
had reached Hans Copa who had convinced who was at this time he thought his wife
00:46:36
and his daughter had heeded his warning about flying Lan oh and weren't on the plane oh so his hopes were crushed the
00:46:45
following day when he caught a news report that had listed all the passengers and Maria and Julia and Copa
00:46:51
were on there I can't imagine and knowing knowing that he didn't even want them on that flight oh and just and to
00:46:59
have some sense of calm like no they weren't on that flight they weren't on that flight they weren on that flight I
00:47:03
told them not to get on it and then like Julianne knowing that her father didn't
00:47:07
want them on that flight not knowing what happened to her mother knowing that her mother just wanted to get home to H
00:47:14
like just wanted to get to him quicker him knowing that she just wanted it like it's a whole it's horrible so day3 on
00:47:21
the third day December 26th she woke up and continued following the stream it was winding and not straight which made
00:47:29
it more difficult and long to follow and the obstacles were still there but she took them all like the badass she is she
00:47:35
recalled seeing a Goliath bird eater spider on her way I looked it up so you don't have to it's a giant tarantula
00:47:43
that eats birds I don't have words and she said that alone would have killed her like
00:47:50
that come close to her like that would have been it for her and honestly me just looking at it would have killed me
00:47:55
what did you say it was a giant a Goliath birde eating spider Goliath spider should not be in the scene it
00:48:02
would have been cardiac arrest for me it's it's it's giving Sinister babe I don't know if you guys follow B guys you
00:48:09
need to follow um oh I don't know the Tik Tok name now [ __ ] oh hang on I'll pause there's a there's a Tik Tok that
00:48:16
you guys absolutely need to follow yeah okay you tell them the Tik Tok name and then I've got a hot a hot Goss to throw
00:48:23
on you so there's a Tik Tok account that's given it's I don't even know how to describe
00:48:28
it but it makes me laugh and gives me joy just go follow every single time that I watch any video and it is @
00:48:37
Sinister pom B Pond babe I'm going to link it in the show notes because I hope she gets a billion followers because I
00:48:44
think she just reached like 100k followers and I'm like let's get her get her to a million let's bring bring her
00:48:50
to the billions because a it's the way she tells stories and she has the best accent and she says BBE after everything
00:48:59
and she'll say it's giving Sinister BBE I've been saying it in my real life can't conf all the time it's giving C
00:49:06
it's dark sided it's darked she is so [ __ ] funny please follow her I want BB's page to just blow the
00:49:16
[ __ ] up to pop off I want to make it pop off because she's so [ __ ] funny and
00:49:22
this is truly the Goliath bird eating spider is Sinister Vibe so Sinister babe that it's inch long fangs babe act like
00:49:30
hypodermic needles babe yeah inch long things yeah it is giving dark saded and she had to see this Sinister spot oh my
00:49:43
God she had to see this thing along the way and just avoid it just hope to avoid
00:49:48
it I feel like they are crawling all over Meep but besides that Sinister moment babe she also had to clean climb over
00:49:58
Boulders Fallen trees she had to dodge other animals other insects she faced it all with a concussion a swollen eye and
00:50:05
a broken clav clavicle throughout the entire Journey she heard the continuous sound of planes above her searching for
00:50:14
missing flight 508 to be that close to rescue and to to full well know like I'm so close but it's not going to happen
00:50:23
like I have no way to let them know I right there and you just keep heing it and you're like yep and then you're
00:50:28
probably like they're going to give up aw when are they going to give up when am I going to stop hearing them how
00:50:33
hopeless and when I stop hearing that that's the true like no one's coming yep like now the Amazon had Jaguars cougars
00:50:40
and at least 17 different species of supremely venomous snakes yeah finally after hours and
00:50:49
hours and hours and hours the stream opened up into a big river and into it Julianne waited because she thought okay
00:50:57
I'm going to just float down this River I'm going to let the current take me I'm
00:51:01
going to hope to make it somewhere there water snakes aren't there remember the Amazon is a constant barrage of threats
00:51:06
to humans in the water there were several different types of Cayman what is that which are like tiny looking uh
00:51:14
little alligator things they're very dangerous I say tiny but they get big um they're scary there's anacondas my
00:51:22
anaconda don't no and stingrays piranhas bull sharks sometimes yeah but remember
00:51:29
sharks are among the most dangerous oh yeah and there's some in this [ __ ] River yeah Piranha's just make me think
00:51:35
of Wednesday yeah there you go so but remember Julian is a bad [ __ ] always remember that never forget it and she is
00:51:42
also been prepared for this [ __ ] her whole life she would lead yeah right I'm sorry to interrupt but you said Tiny and
00:51:50
I know I don't cuz some sometimes I'm thinking of baby ones are tiny and cute but like big ones are scary they are
00:51:55
thickums McGee huge and they're they will eat you in one little they're like alligators or crocodiles like you know
00:52:03
what I mean like that kind of it's an Al alligatoroid alligatoroid there you go um that's terrifying but what she would
00:52:12
do is she would lead with one foot and she said she found her sandal like one sandal oh and so she would lead with the
00:52:20
sandal foot okay and feel things out in the water and then she used a large walking stick to touch in front of her
00:52:27
before moving forward so she didn't step on anything exactly the entire time she
00:52:30
was walking she was just slowly eating the candies out of the bag just to keep her going the just to picture her like
00:52:35
I'm just picturing her with like a big old bag of Skittles yeah just sitting there eating them just floating down the
00:52:40
Amazon River poking out for Piranha's bull after falling 10,000 ft out of the sky the [ __ ] now hours of walking
00:52:47
through the water was when she finally saw a piece of the plane wreckage it was in the middle of the river she saw a
00:52:52
large turbine that like it's that fear of big things that are not supposed to be I'm doing
00:52:59
I'm doing the naah the na motion right now like mm not for me like cut it out Uncle Joey cut it out no cut it out
00:53:07
I don't want seeing a large turbine in the middle of a r that's not it it's that's giving Sinister bab that's giving
00:53:17
dark sided that is the most dark sided because I'm telling you go follow that account I'm telling you it'll just give
00:53:23
you Joy when you need a little pickme up you need to laugh something silly this is the account for you I don't know why
00:53:30
uh but it is you're great things just speak to your soul if you're listening the person who owns that account you're
00:53:35
[ __ ] great you you are Sinister Vibe you're giving me a lot of Joy so she said Marie condos what Julianne said was
00:53:44
she just stared at this turbine she said she stared at it and she was just amazed
00:53:49
at what she was looking at but mostly she said which I'm like this is just this is
00:53:55
Julianne she was like like but then I got happy because it meant that I was likely going in the right direction to
00:54:00
find more pieces of the plane and possibly more people yeah she said she was convinced that she was not the only
00:54:08
Survivor she kept saying to herself she's like there is no way that only I survived this point I could understand
00:54:14
that there has to be more survivors yeah and she said years later she would return to this memory of seeing this
00:54:22
turbine in the middle of the river yeah and she said she would return to it over
00:54:26
and over and over again think about it all the time and she said it would just Amaze her how like she had this weird
00:54:32
Detachment from discovering proof that a plane had exploded around her yeah like
00:54:39
she was like I was looking at a piece of the plane that I had just been sitting on two days earlier and I'm sitting
00:54:48
there going wow that's interesting that means there's people over there I bet and instead of just being like what the
00:54:54
[ __ ] like crazy and she's like I just kept returning to it being like I don't know what was going on there I feel I
00:55:00
just feel like her mom was with her too you know 100% guiding her like giving her strength I think so too now this was
00:55:07
when Ground searches were knocking into high gear back in Lima and they had begun to Journey Through the Jungle
00:55:12
looking for the crash site damn now unfortunately this was not organized well and they were sending them in wrong
00:55:19
directions because they were getting false leads and like shitty tips because of all the false leads being sent in the
00:55:25
government actually had to impose a blackout on news reports because people are [ __ ] corre everywhere always and
00:55:33
this was to stop the false [ __ ] from spreading but also it kept the families in the dark they didn't know what was
00:55:39
going on how sad is that that like when certain media gets involved even like it
00:55:44
reminds me of the Idaho killings yeah the amount of misinformation being spread now that he's been apprehended
00:55:50
it's crazy and it's so it's so easy for it to spread too yeah now day four brought a horrific memory and Discovery
00:55:58
for Julianne and one that I can't imagine stumbling upon no she said on this day she had walked for a few hours
00:56:04
and then remembers distinctly hearing quote the flapping of large Wings unmistakable louder and lasting longer
00:56:11
than that of other birds this was very concerning because she knew what this was she said it was the king vulture
00:56:18
uhhuh and she remembered a lot about this kind of bird specifically she knew from her mother's lessons that its
00:56:24
presence meant there was a large amount of caran very close by is dead meat oh unfortunately she was right now she left
00:56:34
the river and walked into the jungle until she came across a row of three seats from Flight 508 oh no they were
00:56:42
lodged 3 feet deep into the ground upside down oh my God so on they were upside down so the head portions of them
00:56:51
were in the ground this meant that they had hit the ground with un unable Force Inc unbelievable Force what is
00:57:01
worse all three passengers was still strapped into the three seats oh God all of them were lodged head first into the
00:57:08
ground oh my God only their legs jutted out and as Julian described it quote their legs were just jutting grotesquely
00:57:16
upward oh and it was two men and a woman that's awful of course this would destroy anyone but Julianne fought
00:57:25
against any instinct to run cuz she said her first instinct in any of ours would
00:57:30
be to run the [ __ ] away from this site absolutely this would be the most horrific I would just want to get as far
00:57:35
away from this as possible and she knows that the [ __ ] king vulture is on its way yeah so I'm out which might I note
00:57:41
has a wingspan of about six feet yeah that's why the sound of it is very distinct cuz it's huge flapping like
00:57:48
this thing is massive and I'm sure the sound of it flapping is probably really scary I wonder if we can find a sound of
00:57:55
it yeah because just to give you a full picture here like we'll pause and find a
00:58:00
uh a little a sound clip I think we will not find you one because I looked and yeah you really can't get a
00:58:09
clear one that sounds like anything other than like we're not meant to hear it we're not that's that's what we
00:58:14
believe in trying to find that though I'm not going to live in this alone I found a [ __ ] video of an eagle that
00:58:20
found a goat and carried that [ __ ] into the air into to the air nature it's giving Sinister it's
00:58:30
getting Sinister by it really is but God what is the [ __ ] planet yeah so this is after Julianne discovered this
00:58:38
horrific scene she fought every Instinct she had to run the [ __ ] away from this
00:58:45
and instead she went closer because even though she knew logically that none of those passengers were her mother because
00:58:53
she had to be sure she had to be sure that's love so she used a stick to move the woman's shoe and saw that her
00:58:59
toenails had been painted and her mother never painted her toenails oh I that's just like such a I know it's such a like
00:59:05
a specific thing yeah meanwhile the king vultures perched above her in the trees
00:59:11
and were just waiting for her to leave essentially yeah cuz they're not very confrontational they're not so they were
00:59:17
just waiting for her to leave they were like can you please leave they also don't have eyelashes they don't we found
00:59:22
that out that's interesting um and she searched for anything else that could help her but nothing really could just
00:59:28
pieces of scorched plane were in the area so she went back into the river and it was just those three passengers she
00:59:34
found that's all she found now night four the candy was gone no food in the immediate area and that this crash had
00:59:42
happened in the rainy season when fruit was not plentiful in the trees like it would have been in dry season right she
00:59:48
didn't have tools to open any of the fruit anyways and she didn't have any way of getting up into the high trees to
00:59:54
get the fruit so she drinks from the salty River in like dirty river water just to keep herself somewhat hydrated
01:00:02
and distract herself from the Hunger right so as she fell into hunger and exhaustion she came across a barrier of
01:00:08
Driftwood and Tangled reads that would be impossible to climb in the river this made her have to leave the river again
01:00:15
which was dangerous yeah and difficult and she had to get through the dense unbeaten jungle for hours before finally
01:00:22
being able to get around that and back to the river when she does this is the first time that she sees that the canopy
01:00:30
above her head has opened like there's an opening of the trees and now she sees the plane as it flies over oh she can
01:00:38
hear it she can and now she's seeing it and she's like they might be able to see
01:00:43
me so she starts waving her arms and screaming throwing things like trying to get the intention it hovers and then
01:00:50
just leaves oh yep this would have been devastating I can't imagine this was the
01:00:56
closest thing to being able to be seen to her that could have happened and it didn't happen and this is night four
01:01:02
yeah this is night four um I believe it is let me no this is um this so this was
01:01:07
night four we're into days like five and six at this point like we're kind of like all bleeding into each other but
01:01:13
this is devastating um and Julian says it was it was this when she finally took stock of her situation and finally
01:01:22
started to think about not only what had happened but also how that vast and massive the jungle around her really was
01:01:29
and she said this made her start losing hope so she didn't let it consume her cuz she said if she had really fallen
01:01:35
into thinking about what was actually around her and what wasn't around her you'd Lose Yourself she wouldn't be able
01:01:41
to go forward now to give you context for what was around her Jaguars the Amazon rainforest covers more than 2.5
01:01:49
million square miles of land wow 59% or a little under 1.5 million square miles is per is in Peru and in 1.5 million
01:02:01
square miles of rainforest land there really estimated to live just a little over a thousand people wow yeah in 1.5
01:02:11
million square miles of land that's crazy which meant the odds of her running into a person for help was
01:02:18
essentially slim to none like more than that or less than that I mean but she didn't let this take her down a lot of
01:02:25
people would give an they would have let the insurmountable depression of this reality just make
01:02:29
them lay down hope to be found or Just Surrender but it's julienne we're talking about so she kept going down the
01:02:38
river she knew if she let the current push her down the river she was conserving her strength as well as
01:02:44
keeping herself safer on land too because if she's in the river the things on land can't get to her and she felt
01:02:49
like she could at least contend with the river [ __ ] yeah now also days in the Amazon were about 85 to 95 deg oh my God
01:02:57
and humid too and nights could get colder and remember she was wearing I think the only thing she was wearing at
01:03:03
this point was like a cotton short dress like and she's wet now too and she's wet
01:03:08
and during the day she was being beaten down by the Sun and then soaked and at night she was just freezing oh my God
01:03:16
she was also being assaulted by mosquitoes every other insect it was hell and at night they would just buzz
01:03:22
around her in the day they would Buzz around her constantly think mosquitoes and it's like those kind of bugs buzzing
01:03:29
all the time would drive you [ __ ] insane like I would lose it so Julian's concussion by like day seven so we're a
01:03:37
week into this my God Julian's concussion had actually kind of afforded her a big um like a bit of reprieve in a
01:03:43
way in the beginning days of her survival she was in kind of a brain fog of sorts right so she could really only
01:03:50
think and focus on survival in those days but by the seventh day she was really only thinking about her mother
01:03:56
and the reality of her situation finally and sometimes the thoughts were typical
01:04:01
you know she's a teenager so she would sit there and she would think about you know what she wish she would be doing
01:04:06
right now what her friends were doing who she missed like you know I wish I could eat my favorite junk food kind of
01:04:13
thing and then she would get like super existential as well like thinking about like what's the meaning of all this like
01:04:20
am I supposed to be here why did this happen like why me you know like all that and although she doesn't really
01:04:27
understand why or how she knew in that moment and she knows now that her survival meant something she just didn't
01:04:35
know what of course it did but she was like there's no way this was an accident there's no way this is coincidence I
01:04:40
meant to do this I'm meant to be here and I'm not meant to die alone in the [ __ ] rainforest with no one knowing
01:04:46
what I've done clear I just fell 10,000 ft from the air I've survived 7even days
01:04:50
I'm not supposed to die right now like I'm getting out of this the river is not taking me down nothing taken me down so
01:04:57
she resolves that she's like I'm going to get to safety I'm going to lead a life of meaning and I'm going to
01:05:03
contribute to the world when I get out of here wow like she sat there at 17 years old in the [ __ ] rainforest in
01:05:10
the middle of a river a week after falling 10,000 ft from the sky and said I'm going to make a difference in the
01:05:16
world that wherewithal at 1 alone but then you had all of those circumstances now at this point her resolve had not
01:05:24
dissipated she was still sure there had to be another Survivor of this flight there was no conceivable way in her mind
01:05:32
that she was the sole survivor so she was just always looking out for people and by this time a week after the crash
01:05:38
she noted that the cuts on her arms and legs were starting to look pretty bad and now they were starting to hurt the
01:05:45
laceration on her calf had become very irritated and very swollen oh no she's in the dirty river water too it's not
01:05:52
helping and the laceration on her arm was feeling very painful and very hot but was in a place that was difficult
01:05:59
for her to see it was like behind her arm so unless she strained her neck to look at it she really couldn't see a lot
01:06:05
of it but when she did finally see it she saw that maggots had actually begun to burrow into the wound oh my God yep
01:06:14
flies had laid eggs in the wound probably while she was sleeping oh my God she knew that this meant she knew
01:06:23
that it meant that if she allowed them to continue buing into the wound her arm off really going to get bad and possibly
01:06:29
need to be amputated so she tried to pull them out herself oh my God using a piece of bent plain metal that she
01:06:35
molded into tweezers oh but she couldn't get them and just had to give up and keep going down the river with maggots
01:06:44
in her arm I don't even yep she just was going down the river with live maggots eating
01:06:54
the wound on her arm that she got when she fell 10,000 ft out of the sky I'm not well [ __ ] I am not well [ __ ] this
01:07:03
is coupled with another scary turn of events like we've stated many times before Julian was very experienced so
01:07:11
very know knowledgeable about the jungle and survival and she knew that most of the animals in this jungle would
01:07:17
probably be terrified of her and pretty much keep their distance they would run from her normally but she now sees that
01:07:23
they were making themselves known and seemingly watching her following her acting curious of her I'm so [ __ ]
01:07:30
stressed what this told her was that they had probably rarely possibly never seen a human before Oh my God their lack
01:07:39
of fear was evidence of that this was a crushing blow to her spirit because she now knew that she was completely
01:07:46
isolated from anyone else these animals had not seen a human before Oh my God she was the first one to roll through
01:07:53
here oh my God so da eight and n it was now that the sun started to unleash the Full Assault on her body oh and her like
01:08:03
infected it was 8 days in and she woke up in searing pain on her back and shoulders and realized that she had
01:08:10
about a second degree sunburn on her back and shoulders that had actually broken open and was now bleeding what
01:08:17
the [ __ ] yep unfortunately she can't do literally anything about this and just
01:08:22
has to keep going in this Unbelievable pain while bleeding from not like she has any [ __ ] copper tone on her nope
01:08:28
this day is when she began to hallucinate as well her mind started to play a lot of cruel tricks on her she
01:08:34
keeps being sure that she's seeing houses in the distance but it's just a sea of trees why does your mind do that
01:08:40
it's just I don't know if it's I think it's partially like a survival thing a preservation thing it's trying to get
01:08:45
you in yeah trying to get you to keep going she also has auditory hallucinations thinking she hears
01:08:51
chickens which would mean that humans were nearby but it's just jungle Le birds that she hears um this may have
01:08:58
broken someone else's Spirit hearing and seeing things only to realize that they
01:09:02
were not real but julienne said it made her strive even harder to survive because she was now determined to really
01:09:08
see and really hear those things okay now while she is hearing and seeing these false images and sounds she
01:09:15
accidentally gets her foot stuck in a sandbank no and it makes her trip and fall oh my God now she's been traveling
01:09:21
through the jungle for over a week straight with no food and little water no medicine or aid for her wounds and
01:09:26
she's likely fighting various infections when she hits the ground all she wants to do is sleep she was like I hit that
01:09:33
ground and I was like I can't get up like this is it and she can't fight the urge anymore her body is telling her
01:09:39
like you go to sleep go to sleep so she closes her eyes and just lets herself rest on the jungle floor for a few
01:09:45
moments but then she said she was woken up by a chirping sound and it's not a bird chirping she knows that
01:09:53
sound go away it's a baby Cayman when she opens her eyes she sees a baby Cayman and then she sees its
01:10:02
mother no and they are approaching her in a very aggressive and very threatening way oh my God and she said
01:10:09
if she jumped up like she wanted to they would have attacked her in and got her in an instant they would have she would
01:10:15
had no choice no chance but she said what she knew she had to do was just slide away from them so she slid on the
01:10:24
ground away from them slowly when every cell in her body was screaming at her to
01:10:32
jump up and run the [ __ ] out of there she was slowly sliding like a worm on the ground until she slid back in the
01:10:39
river and let the current take her away and got away Eliza [ __ ] Thornberry yep but
01:10:49
unfortunately this also cemented her the knowledge she already knew that there were no humans anywhere near here
01:10:55
because she said there was a large amount of Cayman and that made it sure that there was no humans around [ __ ]
01:11:01
alligators y'all yeah [ __ ] aligators yeah but the ninth day she was beyond exhaustion and her hunger was
01:11:11
something that was no longer something she could ignore and it just ate away away at her it's all she could think
01:11:17
about she tried for hours that day she said to catch poison dart frogs to try to eat something you can eat them even
01:11:24
though they're them I think there's a poison sack that she I'm sure she knew where it was and she said she tried for
01:11:30
hours literally all her energy was spent trying to catch these frogs she couldn't
01:11:35
couldn't catch one and ended up just falling asleep in the middle of it so the 10th day was the same she just let
01:11:42
the current take her down the river and unfortunately the river is now becoming less open and expansive and now there
01:11:47
are dams of Driftwood and rocks that are she's having to climb over and a void she has zero energy so you can imagine
01:11:55
how difficult this was getting she has [ __ ] maggots in her arm y'all yep as the day went on and eventually the sun
01:12:01
was beginning to set Julien saw what she thought was like a gravel Bank on the shore so she was like you know what
01:12:07
that's a great place to get some sleep I'm going to lay on the bank and just let my body chill so she laid down she
01:12:13
just let her body begin to let go but right before she was closing her eyes God she saw something oh no it was a
01:12:21
boat she saw a boat and in her head she was like this is a Mirage like close your eyes look at it again so she
01:12:29
thought like she blinked and when she blinked it was still there and she's like and I looked around and it was
01:12:35
still there still tied to the bank no one's in it so she shook her head still there she reached out and touched it it
01:12:43
was a boat and she was touching it and she said and it looked new and it looked like it was in working order meaning
01:12:50
someone who ran this boat is nearby yeah like at the very least yeah so she explores the area around the boat she's
01:12:58
got like a new found energy she didn't even know existed within her at this she she finds a foot path that she said was
01:13:04
not natural it was cleared by hand okay she follows it and finds a Tambo then you're like who the [ __ ] am I going to
01:13:11
find exactly so she finds a Tambo which is a small like Shack that was made by hand where people will store supplies
01:13:18
like gasoline for boats and such yeah yeah now this was crucial because it confirmed there had been a human around
01:13:26
and also there was gasoline in there which could be used to help her maggot infested wound Debbie bought Gasolina
01:13:34
there you go I don't even think she gritted her teeth and poured the gasoline onto her wound which would
01:13:41
cause unbelievable staring pain but because she is brilliant and learned from experience and from her parents she
01:13:48
knew this would be some do something internal to heal like to help get those maggots out that's so horrific first it
01:13:54
made the maggots try to dig deeper into the wound but eventually it forced them out oh my God so she was able to pull
01:14:01
some of them out she pulled over 30 magets out of I need you to stop saying the word mag and she later found out
01:14:06
that there was far more that had to be removed later oh my God so she's trying to sort out her thoughts make a plan so
01:14:12
far she didn't see a human but just evidenced that one was around at one point in the recent past so she did
01:14:20
think really quickly about just using the boat to take her down the river honestly but then she was she was just
01:14:25
so tired but literally I mean she just performed amateur surgery on her arm essentially um but she just laid down
01:14:33
and she was like I'm going to lay down first and think this over and then when she started thinking about it she was
01:14:37
like well taking the boat is a non-starter because it would help me but I could potentially be abandoning
01:14:43
someone else in the Amazon rainforest and she's like I literally can't do that and she wrote later I cannot possibly
01:14:49
save my own life and jeopardizing others that's a human right there so she did borrow a tarp from The Shack and laid
01:14:55
down on the banks to sleep again okay now day 11th when she woke up there was still no one around her suddenly a
01:15:02
depressing thought hit her like a ton of bricks sometimes hunters or wood cutters
01:15:07
would use these tambos while they were out in the jungle and then they would just abandon them for months sometimes
01:15:13
forever even their boats so when she didn't know she was like I don't know oh no so she made the impossible decision
01:15:20
to continue floating down the river now just hoping that maybe she would come across a village or evidence of more
01:15:26
people so she's about to go into the river and then it begins to rain and once again her exhaustion and her lack
01:15:34
of nutrients and infection were making it impossible to move very much and she didn't have a lot of strength so she's
01:15:39
like you know what it's raining I'm going to stay in the shack until the rain passes okay I think a lot of this
01:15:46
is her mom I do too that the Universe and her mom working together to sure cuz in the afternoon the rain finally
01:15:53
stopped and she was still alone so she made the decision to move but unfortunately her body still just
01:15:59
wouldn't even stand like she had no strength I mean she just had to pour gasoline into her arm exactly it's
01:16:05
almost like something was working there to her to keep her there so she decided to rest another full day she was like
01:16:11
I'm going to give myself another full day to regain some of the strength and then I will start moving in I might as
01:16:16
well just stay in the shack while I can so she's in a serious state of despair at this point she hasn't eaten even a
01:16:23
little something in over six days and has only drank Dirty River water she's been bitten on every inch of her body by
01:16:30
a variety of insects as she tried to sleep and they're buzzing in her ears she's cold she's soaking wet suddenly
01:16:37
her brains begins telling her that she was correct more people survived the crash but they stayed put and they were
01:16:45
saved that's what her her brain is telling her now you were correct yes people survived but they were all saved
01:16:52
and you're left here alone no no this she said this was just she was like I I was the only one left I was the only one
01:17:00
that left the crash site and now I'm stuck in the jungle forever because of my decision no that's what she like her
01:17:06
brain just started going against her and in her book she said she thought to herself how strange is it that a person
01:17:11
can disappear just like that and no one knows about it it is crazy so she just lays in the shack for most of the 11th
01:17:19
day just trying to catch something like a frog to eat she was seeing them she just couldn't catch them she never gets
01:17:24
one the hunger really starts to shut her body down even more and as Twilight seeps in and another day passes behind
01:17:31
her in the jungle she hears it voices in the distance immediately she sits up but
01:17:38
then just as quickly her head tells her that's just another auditory hallucination don't listen to it she
01:17:44
doesn't want to get excited but she keeps hearing them and then she's hearing them getting closer and closer
01:17:50
and closer and she's still trying to convince herself that this is just another hallucination when suddenly
01:17:56
three men just emerged from the jungle immediately they all like jumped back when they saw her in the shack cuz it
01:18:03
was their Shack so they was like what the [ __ ] but they look at her and they knew about the plane crash oh my God and
01:18:10
they're like holy [ __ ] she was almost too stunned to speak but she quickly regained her composure and said in
01:18:16
Spanish I'm a girl who was in the lanac crash my name is Julianne oh my God these three men were Forest workers and
01:18:25
they immediately hustled Julianne to safety oh my God they brought her back to their Camp they fed her they gave her
01:18:31
clean water dry clothing they helped attend to her wounds the to the best ability they could God they even took
01:18:38
out more maggots out of her arm themselves stop they then praised her for staying at their Shack they were
01:18:44
like that was a brilliant decision we're so glad you did that and they said if you had left that area you would have
01:18:49
never been found because like the uh the rainforest as you go further out gets more uninhabited you would have been
01:18:57
going deeper into it and they said her body by the way like they the C condition they found her in they said
01:19:04
your body would have given out by tomorrow you'd be gone like there's no way you were going to be living wow and
01:19:11
they said that um she if she had even tried to float down the river that would have been out she was literally on her
01:19:17
last breaths essentially when they got her that was her strength and her mom with her no [ __ ] doubt in my mind
01:19:24
exactly they weren't and what's even crazier and this is why I'm like holy [ __ ] everything worked they weren't even
01:19:30
supposed to have returned to the shack that day wow they were just but they wanted to make sure that the boat was
01:19:36
still tied up after the rainstorm otherwise they weren't coming back to the shack Kismet and he said they said
01:19:43
they never would have found her that all of that was meant to be 100,000 gajillion perc so she immediately asks
01:19:50
them about other passengers other survivors and they tell her the airplane has hasn't even been found and you are
01:19:56
the only Survivor oh my God and she asked about her mother even though they had just told her no one survived and
01:20:01
they said no you're are the sole survivor can you imagine the weight of that falling on you hearing that like
01:20:07
out loud it's just you she tells them the story too like cuz they're like you have to tell us like what have you been
01:20:13
through like it's been almost two weeks like what's going on so she tells them the story she told they sh and they kind
01:20:21
of tell her too like about the massive search that's been going on and is like I heard the planes and they're like holy
01:20:26
[ __ ] like they were on top of you like that's wild and they're telling her like
01:20:31
you know they like everyone thought everybody was gone no one thought that somebody survived like no one's going to
01:20:36
believe this she told them about like going down the river about the vulture she told them everything the alligators
01:20:42
yeah and they tell her that the next morning after she sleeps a real sleep they will take her to turn a Vista where
01:20:48
they can get her proper help and medical care they're angels and Julianne couldn't sleep that night even though
01:20:54
she was safe she was like I just couldn't believe I was going to get out of here yeah she was probably so excited
01:20:59
now it is very shortly after Julianne's discovery that it's like headline news worldwide a lot of lies were told
01:21:06
because the Press they somehow tried to make her story like even more Sensational which they did not have to
01:21:13
like there was they were saying that like she had like made a makeshift raft that she lived on for 11 days and it's
01:21:20
like no she didn't yeah I think it's even more impressive that she didn't and that she woke up under three bodies or
01:21:25
something like that and she's like no I didn't like that none of that was true why would you why did your brain even go
01:21:30
there and the times actually quoted Julian as saying and this isn't not a real quote they quoted her as saying I
01:21:37
felt a sensation of emptiness but I don't remember anything else until I woke up on the ground with three bodies
01:21:42
on top of me she didn't say that how do you what and then they said that she told them that she survived by eating
01:21:50
the Christmas cake which she had been taking to her father and she's like nope that was mine that wasn't my Christmas
01:21:55
cake and I didn't need it so what's worse is in the days that followed the rescue also the Press started to kind of
01:22:03
turn on her a little bit what and they started saying well she ran away from injured passengers who could have been
01:22:09
helped no honey they were them for themselves into the ground or just gone yep like [ __ ]
01:22:17
off luckily for the most part the overall tone and the most of the tone was celebration that she was alive isn't
01:22:24
is it wild that there were trolls in this situation there trolls in every situation always they will always find a
01:22:30
way to be miserable trolls be trolling but they spent so these three men and julienne spent 11 hours on a boat going
01:22:38
to turn Vista God once they arrive inav Vista she's taken to a hospital where she's finally able to get real treatment
01:22:45
and medicine for the various infections she was suffering from unbelievably she has to
01:22:51
fly to Jaren coka I believe it's called to get better medical treatment and this
01:22:58
is where she would actually stay and be stabilized but she was actually she was absolutely terrified OB this is less
01:23:03
than two weeks after she from the sky but she was also so out of it and had no strength so she was
01:23:11
like I couldn't fight it I just got on the flight I just needed to get to the hospital holy [ __ ] wow and she wouldn't
01:23:17
have lived if they tried to take her a slower way like she had to get on this flight to get there it's almost like a
01:23:22
flight Julian spent months in that medical facility in YN coka but she was strong and by March she was back in Lima
01:23:29
and back in school oh my God yes she loved being back in her normal routine and around those she loved D but the
01:23:37
Press were [ __ ] nightmares and they hounded her day and night like leave her alone day and night so because of all
01:23:45
the craziness her father Hans actually had her sent to Germany to get away from it she lived with her grandmother and
01:23:51
her aunt there MH and Julianne said that he had good intentions moving her there
01:23:57
but she felt very betrayed by it because she said she was in such a state she just through and she had lost her mother
01:24:05
in that way that she was like being sent away felt like I was abandoned yeah and
01:24:10
that's not his intention but like he was also going through the trauma that he had gone through so it's like this was
01:24:16
just all a lot of confronting a lot of different trauma well and I'm sure in his mind he probably felt like she
01:24:22
needed to be with her grandmother as like a maternal figure I think he just didn't know what to do and with his own
01:24:27
grief of losing his wife which he and his wife were so close like they were it was just jungle 247 you know like their
01:24:36
bond must have been outrageous absolutely so it's like this is just Unthinkable it's so layered and she said
01:24:43
panguana and my school were the only things left for me and she said that's when she felt the sense of Abandonment
01:24:49
unfortunately Hans was very understandably devastated by the loss of Maria and Julian said she quote
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suspected that for him it was a problem that I survived and not my mother oh and
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what I think she means by that is that only one of us came out of that yeah not that it was a not that it was bad that
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it was her who came out of that it was just like I would rather have both of you you know like I really want both of
01:25:14
you would be a reminder constantly and she looks like her mom yeah like you know what I mean like she has a lot of
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her mom's features I'm sure that's like really tough that's that's on a different level of TR it's a different
01:25:25
grief like I don't know that grief I can't imagine that grief I don't know the grief that Julianne was going
01:25:31
through and I don't know the grief that Hans was going through so I'm not going to judge either or I have no idea what
01:25:37
that feels and oh that makes me want to cry right now and Julian loves her parents and respects her parents to this
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day she does not have bad things to say about what happened here I don't think anybody could have handled that
01:25:49
situation I don't think there is a proper way to situation I don't know what this I honestly don't what the way
01:25:55
to handle it would have been but Hans left panguana for per um uh for Peru in 1974 uh he just kind of left and didn't
01:26:04
say goodbye to anybody and didn't tell anyone he just started Living in Germany but everyone said he was just never the
01:26:10
same it just destroyed a huge part of him he died in 2000 at 87 years old wow Julian said their relationship
01:26:18
definitely changed when she came home that's really sad um it never really recovered but she kind of like she could
01:26:25
understand in some way okay uh later Julianne actually learned she wasn't initially the sole survivor of that
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crash when the crash site was later found they discovered bodies and were able to bring them out of the Jungle and
01:26:38
there was also evidence that at least a few of them 17 to be exact had survived the fall from the sky wow but their
01:26:45
injuries were so significant that they died very shortly after hitting the jungle floor one of those people was
01:26:51
Maria she survived initially but she was nowhere near like nowhere near her to find
01:26:59
nowhere near where she would know where she was but they were able to recover her body they were able to recover her
01:27:04
body she said when she Julianne said when she found this out it did shatter her knowing that her mother had survived
01:27:10
at some point that she wasn't near her yeah now an investigation into the crash found that the crew was under a ton of
01:27:16
pressure to keep the schedule on that flight because things had fallen behind during the holidays so they pushed
01:27:22
through the storm instead of diverting around it and adding more time to the flight dude time is made up lightning is
01:27:29
notat yeah fatal error that's ridiculous also the plane was in terrible shape like I said it was put together with
01:27:36
scraps of other plane to begin with and after this Lance shut down good bye lansa now Julianne did not return to
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Peru for a decade and honestly I probably would never return but she was a PhD student oh my god of course she
01:27:51
was yeah and had an opportunity to St study and Amazonian bats in panguana again the place where she'
01:27:58
lived with her parents and formed such a strong bond with them and foundations for her eventual unbelievable survival
01:28:05
and she took the opportunity and spent 18 months living in panguana finishing her disertation my God after surviving
01:28:12
in the jungle she went back to the Jungle she's the the most badass woman I think I've ever heard of she also became
01:28:19
the director of panguana after her father died wow and in the 19 1990s she returned to the crash site with director
01:28:27
Warner Herzog the actual crash site and he was the one who was supposed to go on
01:28:31
that plane with his crew exactly and she said this is when she really realized how badly she wanted to return to the
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jungle and she wanted to preserve her parents Legacy she said this was when it hit her and she said the way she looks
01:28:44
at it quote the jungle caught me it saved me it was not its fault that I landed here yeah how do you look at it
01:28:52
that way I don't know how do you have the [ __ ] you're a beast of a human now we talked earlier about how
01:29:00
filmmaker wner Herzog was supposed to be on Lance of Flight 508 um but he actually made a documentary in 1999
01:29:08
called Wings of Hope wow and where he returned to the jungle and to the crash site with Julianne they walked to where
01:29:15
she crashed and also visited where she was rescued and the stops along the way of her unbelievable Journey where she
01:29:22
just tells the story and she talks about all the emotions she felt the pain the numbness the times when she thought she
01:29:29
couldn't go on anymore she talked about the isolation and feeling of loneliness that truly goes unmatched I can't
01:29:36
imagine no none of us will ever know what that's like no as they go through this experience she would stop and pick
01:29:42
up pieces of the scattered rest like picking up pieces of the plane that are still there today wow it's just
01:29:51
scattered over a crazy amount of space and they actually visited P Pula where there's a cemetery that many of the
01:30:00
passengers from flight 58 are buried and there's a big Memorial that the graves are all around and there's this map in
01:30:07
the memorial that traces with dotted lines from the crash site to turnov Vista where Julianne was eventually
01:30:14
healed wow under the memorial there are the words um a lost day esparanza or wings of Hope MH all 71 passengers and
01:30:24
all six of the crew of the plan's crew died in the crash with only Julianne surviving that is so remarkable yeah
01:30:32
today Julian Copa is married and actually goes by Julianne Diller her married name and she splits her time she
01:30:38
go she lives in Munich and she also works as a librarian at the Bavarian State collection of zoology and panguana
01:30:46
my God she does it all still she has spent decades in panguana building it up making the facility in The Institute
01:30:54
larger more like with more resources um and it has actually been designated as a conservation area now
01:31:02
she flies all the [ __ ] time my God all the time flies all the time is making the world a better place is
01:31:09
treating animals is studying is researching is bringing new information into the world is a [ __ ] G the GS G
01:31:20
there was a point earlier where you said she was like all right first things first and all I could think of is first
01:31:24
things first I'm the realist drop this and let the whole world feel it like that's julan she's still in the jungle
01:31:31
business Julian my God is one of the most inspirational people I have ever read about I want to play this episode
01:31:41
for my children someday and be like never [ __ ] complain about anything like I know we all like
01:31:50
everyone's allowed to complain about [ __ ] like [ __ ] goes down we we're not saying like oh now you're never allowed
01:31:55
to complain no jokes but it's like if you feel yourself slipping into a rut of like everything sucks and I'm mad and
01:32:03
this is annoying to me and let julen guide your way think about julienne just think about Julianne just think about
01:32:10
that Journey think about maggots in her arm I could be stuck in the rainforest right now face to face with an alligator
01:32:16
in it's [ __ ] baby I could be sitting next to my mother one second in a plane and then I could be crash 10,000 ft out
01:32:25
of the air in the second and then I could spend almost 2 weeks battling the Amazon [ __ ] rainforest you know
01:32:32
what's [ __ ] just to survive we're going to be on a plane in two weeks and that's [ __ ] yeah but you know what
01:32:37
it's okay this plane is from 200 whatever yeah this plane can withstand a lightning strike this plane has had
01:32:47
regular maintenance this plane has a very professional pilot yeah and flying is different now I flew over tornadoes
01:32:55
earlier last year so we good we good actually I was flying the day that Miley Cyrus's uh flight was hit with lightning
01:33:03
that that day we all know that day I know that do you know where you were that day how could you forget that day I
01:33:10
was on a flight and she was too and it got hit by lightning but she was fine but she was all right exactly because
01:33:16
the planes come withstand lightning now that's my point and also no plane has ever crashed due to turbulence there you
01:33:23
go so you can take that with your hat and Jello and Jello oh yes if you I I don't know if I've mentioned this before
01:33:30
I think maybe um maybe I have but if if I have hear it again uh if you haven't here you go there's a Tik Tok where this
01:33:36
girl said that she heard from a pilot that if you ever get nervous about turbulence and you can't understand what
01:33:41
it is because it is a little very scary I was going to say a little it's very scary I like [ __ ] my pants every time
01:33:46
there a little uh she put a little rolled up piece of paper in a little cup of Jello-O and she put it in the middle
01:33:52
and she said here's the plane and the Jello around it is the air that you're flying through and then she Taps the
01:33:57
Jello-O and you see the Jello-O just kind of wiggle and she said is that piece of paper going to drop and you say
01:34:02
no Tik Tok it's not she says that's because there's all this air pressure underneath and all this air pressure on
01:34:09
top and on either side and that little piece of paper isn't going anywhere it's just jostling around because the air is
01:34:15
jostling around boom and then she said anytime you get in turbulence just think of that think about Jello yeah and I'm
01:34:20
telling you it helps the last time I was on the plane I thought about jell that's
01:34:24
what I thought about too and it helped me but again I will link some of those books in the show notes in case you are
01:34:29
a fearful flyer or if you're not and you're just interested in it yeah totally but I'm telling you Julianne did
01:34:34
it jul jul still does it she gets on a plane so I can get on a plane Julianne forever yeah Julianne for life she's a
01:34:46
inspirational inspirational Bish to say the least yeah I love her wow well with all of that
01:34:54
being said I thought this was going to be a short Episode by way you're insane you always think it's going to be a
01:34:58
short episode and then we have like four parts yeah but we love you for it I try
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and we love you guys we love you and we hope that you keep listening and we hope
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you keep it we weird Oh weird I was like why did you just say weird I don't know
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cuz we did the the I don't know I don't know we were like giving Sinister babe giving Dark Side did
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