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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is a sickly [Music] M this is a we both have Co recording
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morbid this episode brought to you by The Rona this episode brought to you by germs yeah so we just uh we just came
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off of my little mini book tour and we came home with a present so and the present
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was uh yeah what're so this is we're recording uh in two separate places which we haven't done in a long long
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long long time it's giving like pandemic 2020 days when I like lived with Drew well I lived with you for a little bit
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but then I went to live with Drew and we had to zoom ation record I'm working on
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my home office but it's not quite done yet you know we do what we can do here and we just we weren't going to not give
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you this episode are you kidding me [ __ ] that [ __ ] NE would we say no episode we
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did wait a day that accent was good sorry how dare you not acknowledge that that was was really good but we did wait
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a day to record it we were going to record it yesterday but yesterday I literally was not among the living yeah
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my CO's not bad like I came up positive and I was like wow that's weird I feel like pretty fine yeah you're you're the
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asymptomatic [ __ ] I've never had Co asymptomatic so that's cool it's weird it's weird to have an asymptomatic yeah
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cuz I feel fine but I'm not allowed to go anywhere yeah he get yeah you on the other hand Elena facetimed me yesterday
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and I'm usually want to like make people feel better I think I Mikey it was me Mikey and Elena FaceTiming and I audibly
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gasped when she she oh my god I've never seen you look so sick I was the sickest I have ever been
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yesterday I feel still terrible today but I feel much better than I did yesterday you look a million times
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better when I opened the zoom I said there she is thank God that's the sister I know was it was scary [ __ ] we were
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working with yesterday it was real rough it was real it's okay but you know what
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here we are I'm rallying I'm in a place called space yeah so what we what we're doing for you today is we did so I
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covered the defo murders last time which were horrific and terrible and tragic and we gave you a little bit of the how
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you know his lawyer William Weber there was claiming that there was voices that were telling him to do it in the house
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just a little sneaky peeky into what was to come y William Weber really uh he's really The Mastermind behind the at
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least the Nugget that made this happen and today we're going to cover the idville horror conspiracy oh man uh it's
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a conspiracy because for a long long time it was considered true like completely true I
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grew up thinking this was like real to real as [ __ ] and the thing is I think there's truths in there but it has been
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exaggerated to such a degree like they didn't just go into this thinking like let's make a a crazy Horror Story and
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we'll pass it off as true they took it into such a place that I was like how would you ever think no one would
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question some of these things the bleeding walls is where they lost you even as a young youth I was like I've
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never seen that yeah and it's like and what's crazier is I think we covered a case it was like a case I of course I
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can't recall where it was oh I know exactly what you're talking about the house bled it's literally called The
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Bleeding House my dad sent it to me I think it was a patreon episode that he did yeah we're GNA then you know what
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maybe we'll revive it again because we should it's a very interesting one cuz that one I I kind of believe that
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actually okay so I said they lost me with the bleed Bing walls cuz amville did but I completely believed this other
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couple with bleeding walls cuz their walls were I think they were bleeding less intensely yeah I think so it's all
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about the the the level of blood with which you get there's a few things in this story that you just say you took it
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too far you took it too far and in the end we'll see what happens here and we'll see the possible reasons for this
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be going the way it went but again exactly but again I think that given what happened in this
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house there's got to be something going on in there for sure yeah I'm sure there's like left over
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residual bad energy so let's start off in 1975 shall we I love the 70s so we [ __ ] shall let's go newlyweds George
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and Kathy Lutz started looking for a home for themselves and Cathy's three kids from a previous marriage lovely she
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had Daniel who was 9 years old uh Christopher seven years old and Melissa 5 years old little youths little
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youths little babies George needed to stay in the Long Island area because he was the owner of a Long Island surveying
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company so really that was the only criteria that was like non-negotiable was that they needed to stay in the area
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okay other than that they really other things they had on the list of like things they were really looking for was
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they really wanted to be on the water and they also needed the house to fall into their budget of $30,000 to
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$50,000 was that a lot for back then yeah like well it wasn't a lot but it was house money okay back then you know
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like that was right now we look at that and we go holy [ __ ] I'm like I don't even think you could buy like a used
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vehicle for that no probably not now but in 1975 you could definitely buy a house
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for get a nice waterfront property could you conceivably get the Amityville house
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no yeah no which is interesting so and again remember that's their budget $30 to $50,000 was where they had to stay
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okay so by the time they decided to check out the little town of Amityville George and Cathy had actually already
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seen about 60 or so homes in their price range damn yeah you guys got to pick one
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yeah I say this all the time because I have one of my children has my husband's inability to make a decision where they
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get like paralysis about deciding about things and I always tell her I'm like you could look forever for the right
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thing and you'll never find it you you'll never cuz you'll always be thinking that there's something else out
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there that's better than this one thing that you chose you got to make a decision and you got to stand strong in
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your decision it's like wedding dress shopping once you find the one stop looking stop looking that's your best
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advice that you gave me yeah cuz Al you'll always keep thinking there's something just a little bit better that
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you haven't seen yet and if you have that mindset you're going to just keep finding that something better and then
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you're just going to drive yourself insane yeah and you'll never be happy with what you choose so it seems like
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that's what happened to George and Kath here yeah I'm like you guys got to stop but none of these other homes were
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really singing to them enough for them to even consider putting in an offer so they hadn't even put in an offer okay
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because of this George really didn't have High Hopes wink wink nudge nudge uh when because they had that sign out
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there that said High Hopes I was like H uh he didn't really have High Hopes when he called the
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Conlin realy office in masaa park but the realtor on the other end of the line Edith Evans told George that you know
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what you're in luck because a new house uh just came on the market and it is a little outside of your price range but
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it really meets your other needs and I think you should at least look at it okay now interesting that it's out of
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their price range because it seems like that was one of their like main things was they were not coming out of that
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budget they really couldn't yeah so like why even look at this one if it's outside of your price range oh sometimes
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it's just fun but it's not because you can't afford it so it's like terrible but also fun yeah but it's like you
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can't have it so the house at 112 Ocean Avenue does that address sound familiar from last episode uh it did seem to meet
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the Lutz's needs and then some really uh it was an Old Dutch Colonial it had a massive yard an enclosed porch with a
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wet bar it had a heated swimming pool oh [ __ ] right it had more than enough room for the kids and it was on
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the water and even had a dock and a boat house damn I didn't realize it had a boat house too oh yeah the defos were
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very very wealthy I guess so now of course as Edith Evans had already warned them it was out of their price range at
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$80,000 remember their budget is between 30 and 50 it's like more than more than
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double their price range yeah I was like why even bother looking at this that's that's not a great real estate agent no
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that's way outside of your price range but there was no denying that it was an absolutely beautiful property and
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exactly what they were looking for when they set out to buy a house so they had to consider it all right when Edith told
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George the price over the phone they expected to find it you know in badly need of repair to be honest or have some
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other expensive defect because although that was way out of their price range it
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was much lower than what that house was worth it sounds like it yeah when they saw it they were like what like this is
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$80,000 it's [ __ ] massive it's got a boat house it's got all the [ __ ] that's
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when you ask who died here exactly exactly and he was even coming furnished wow oh that's when you absolutely ask
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who died there because what's even crazier is it had been on the market for nearly a year and no one had put in
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offers on it okay that's what I'm just kidding no that's when you said there's many red flags being thrown up here it's
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like the Tik Tok guy running around with the giant red flags yes if it seems too
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good to be true might to good to be true so when George asked about you know the
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relatively low asking price and you know the lack of interest for about a year on
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this thing the realtor you know what she didn't I got to give it to her she didn't B to dance around the reality of
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the situation she wasn't like well you know she was like yeah so in November uh of this year uh 24 or of last year
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excuse me 24-year-old Ronald defo Jr had snapped one night when room by room shooting and killing all six members of
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his family with a 35 caliber rifle includ including small children yeah she was like so so that's why I would have
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ran for the [ __ ] Hills I would have gone okay well we're looking at house number 62 today yeah you know what and
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she even let them know that at the trial deo's lawyer said that the young man was
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insane when he committed the murders and for months that he had been hearing voices in the house telling him to kill
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mhm and you know that there was all the tales in the town like you know everybody had their own little like
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myths and legends about the house now that the house is what made him do it of course everyone in New York and perhaps
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even the entire country at this point had heard of the murders so she was like this you know this is the house know the
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murders you definitely know the house she actually she was like what it was actually strange to her that they didn't
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recognize the house because it was everywhere and if you guys remember the original Amityville house has those very
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iconic windows that look like eyes yep uh they're they're not there anymore the new owners have since taken them out so
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that it will not be as recognizable which good for them yeah uh but yeah she was like you know it's like very iconic
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looking house I'm actually surprised that you you've never seen this and that you didn't know what you were walking
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into to be quite honest right and what's even Wilder is if either either of the lutzes had been play paying close
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attention when they walked through the house they would have noticed there was a scarring in bullet holes that remained
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from the murders you serious yeah [ __ ] that there was even some faint chalk outlines from the ongoing investig into
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the murder still in the house no yeah you got to run and meanwhile they're like where do we sign yeah like that's
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so to Edith complete surprise George and Kathy insisted the Holmes recent tragic
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and gruesome events quote weren't something that would bother them when it came to choosing a house which like
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okay I'm like so what does bother you what's on your no what's on your C list what's what's your like boundary line
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non do you have them and here's the thing I can understand like the new owners of this house like the owners now
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yeah you know so much time has gone by that's the thing I can understand there's a little bit of distance you
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know like it's it's history history has happened in that house it's tragic awful
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history but yes it's history but to do it within like the same year I feel like that's like I don't know I feel like the
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energy cuz you and I have said it walking into you know the SK Pierce mansion and especially walking into the
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Lizzy Barden house the Lizzy bordon house has an energy you can't describe and that was how long ago hundreds of
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years ago at this point hundreds yeah so it's like I don't understand how this house within that year didn't have the
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most dark and heavy energy I'm sure it did and I feel like it had to do you think like obviously we're going to get
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there in the story where it kind of comes out that they were big fakers do you think they were looking for
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something like this and they they knew about the Amityville Horror I don't even think they were looking I think it was a
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just a happy accident that they were able to and I think once they I think they knew when they went into this house
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what it was okay like I don't think they were they were ignorant to the fact that
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this was the defo house yeah I just like with all the news coverage and everything and it having been so soon
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yeah they were in New York I just don't buy it yeah they're in New York I mean come on yeah that's the thing I mean
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Maybe I'm Wrong maybe they didn't know but they definitely rolled with it that's for sure I can't say it's
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something I would do no but I'm hug on energy so yeah now they they told Edith you know it's not a problem they said
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neither of them were particularly religious they weren't really Believers in the Paranormal so the murders while
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very tragic and upsetting uh they just said it was kind of just historical fact at this point it was like historical
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fact within the year yeah despite being astronomically outside of their budget they couldn't deny that the house was a
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bargain for what it was and it was exactly what they were looking for so George and Cathy put in an offer at the
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asking price plus they added an additional $400 for the furniture wow I know which was accepted by the seller
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and on December 13 just weeks after Ronald defo was convicted for the murder of his entire family in that house
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George Cathy and the kids moved into the Amityville house setting into motion chain of events that would forever
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change not only the luta lives but the entire town of Amityville even today I know they're probably like [ __ ] off yeah
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Amityville is literally like [ __ ] you Lutes cuz like we said it's like a really nice area like a it is it's like
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a quiet coastal town yeah it's a little Seaside town like very cute very sweet very very cutesy cuty
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in this was not part of that five now as George Kathy and a small collection of friends were unloading the trailer and
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moving things into the house the couple's priest Reverend Ralph pearo arrived to bless the house even though
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they said they weren't religious thank you because so neither George nor Kathy considered themselves particularly
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religious uh they did attend church on a fairly regular basis and the Reverend according to them had been helpful to
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them when they were getting married like they he had been like part of their whole
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like marriage process which to me is religious if you if you have a priest on call like your priest on call you are
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somewhat religious 100% so like maybe I'm wrong I don't know but I'm like I don't have a priest on call so I don't
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and I consider myself not religious same but I feel like if you've got a priest there's a little nugget of religion in
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there if you have one if you have a priest on call if a priest helped you throw your wedding process and then a
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priest is coming to bless your house that you just bought yeah wake up you're religious and that's fine yeah there's
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nothing wrong with that like do you it's just weird to say you're not when you very clearly are that's that's part of
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the strangeness of the lutzes and and it gets even stranger when it comes to this
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priest as we'll see I bet I bet yeah so you know of course they said they were going to have their priest even though
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they're not religious Come Bless their their new home like why wouldn't they yeah totally and you know according to
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them Reverend pearo was more than happy to bless their new home but when the day
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finally came according to all the reports he couldn't shake this feeling of just like yuckiness like unease that
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had been with him since he'd woken up that morning well yeah you know that you're going to a house where a family
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was just brutalized I mean that'll do it like I would wake up feeling a little funky as well the same uh he said the
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feeling stuck with him through his lunch appointment with friends but he was still there when he you know when they
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pulled in the driveway he arrived um he just decided you know I'm going to go and I'm going to do it so he knocked on
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the front door they let him in he went room to room conducting the blessing ritual which included like you know
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flicking holy water around and you know uttering prayers kind of thing like everything we've seen of like somebody
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blessing something you know sure uh the ritual was one he'd conducted a billion times for parishioners over the years
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like this is a very normal thing that people do yeah so he'd done it a ton of times it was almost like muscle memory
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at this point you know what I mean it's a very that he knows how to do it he's got a lot of experience but he said this
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time was different cuz when he entered one of the rooms upstairs uh which he later Learned was John and Mark deo's
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room one they shared together he flicked the Holy Water started saying the prayer
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and all of a sudden from behind him he heard a deep voice of a man Clearly say get out
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I would leave yeah I I would do I think that's very thing yeah I think that's I mean this person is telling you get out
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I think it's time to get out bye I would leave you don't need to ask me twice you
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don't need to say it twice uhuh so it startled him so he Whirled around not knowing what to expect but no one was
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there so he was like oh so he left that room immediately and quickly finished blessing the other rooms of the house
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cuz he was there to do a job so he's like I'm going to finish it but and he's like and obviously this house needs the
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blessing because that just happened yeah so then he all but ran downstairs towards the door uh and George and Kathy
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thanked him for coming and they were like oh do you want to stay for dinner but he was like no thank you I have
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other plans by and he just left the priest said [ __ ] that he said absolutely not good luck uh so as they walked out
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to the car the Reverend mentioned that he'd recently learned the house had been where the notorious Deo murders happened
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and to his surprise he said George just said yeah like we knew it when we bought the house like
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it's fine uh he's like that's why we figured it was such a bargain so it worked out for us and he was like
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oh he said two thumbs up yeah that's totally fine we knew that so they just kind of chatted for a bit about the
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tragedy before pearo got in his car and left without telling them what had just happened in the bedroom upstairs so he
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didn't say it to him you got to tell people when that [ __ ] kind of happens you got to let them know you just for
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good measure now according to George and Kathy Lutz things started happening almost immediately after they moved into
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the house and had it blessed okay on November 19 or excuse me December 19th George was woken up at 3:15 in the
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morning by a very loud knocking at the front door e so he was like why the [ __ ]
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is someone at our house in the middle of the night and why are they knocking like
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that and he sat there and kind of listened for a minute and then he was like wait it's not coming from the front
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door but he said it was coming from somewhere off to his left in the bedroom like he couldn't figure it out like
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somewhere else in the house yeah so he got out of bed and he started investigating the rooms on the second
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floor and he assumed one of the kids was up like making noise or something yeah but he checked and all the kids were
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asleep so he had just entered the sewing room which was across from the main bedroom which was this room the sewing
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room was uh John and Mark deo's bedroom okay um um and he said as he was in there looking around something outside
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on the lawn caught his eye okay so from the window upstairs George could see that something was moving outside by the
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boat house he said it looked like a person but like also not a person it was vaguely the shape of a man but he
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couldn't tell any features he was pretty far away so he called out of the window
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hey who's there no call the police and the commotion caught the attention of Harry the family's dog
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uh who started trailing the shadow through the yard cuz he was like I'm going to [ __ ] you up yeah so George uh
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George called out again and this time instructed Harry go get him but the dogs was on a leash like a was tied up so he
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couldn't get as far as the the figure was yeah so George went downstairs to investigate further but after a few
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minutes he was like I can't find it whatever it was is gone so he tried to go back to sleep but he honestly
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couldn't go back to sleep he was just laying in bed worrying about whether he made a mistake buying this house
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essentially I would call the police and have them like check out the area thank you this is literally when I always have
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issues here at this point I'm calling the National Guard and being like there's a shadow figure outside of my
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but like [ __ ] that I'm never going back to sleep yeah when that whole thing happened where um it was like I it was
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like 3 or 4:00 in the morning and it was like the middle of a blizzard and I I talk about it on the Simply Safe ad if
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you guys listen to the ad yeah I got like a knock on the door between like three or 4 in the morning and it
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happened like consecutively until like 6:00 a.m. I called the [ __ ] police hell yeah and they checked out the area
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and they found nothing but Footprints how [ __ ] terrifying is that I hate that so much I about to Simply Safe the
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very next day baby hell yeah [ __ ] that [ __ ] but yeah like why would you not call someone that's the thing like
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you're not and this is I mean it's 1975 so I was going to be like get a [ __ ] security system I don't know how badass
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they were back then so I mean at least it's something or have them back then at least you have a dog dogs will [ __ ]
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people up that's true especially when he he was able to say go get them and Harry
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was off to business you know to be able to be in a place of sick boy I'm obsessed yeah it's the best where we
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already have Sid and blanch on like they're the sweetest pups and then when we say Get It They'll they'll [ __ ] you
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up they'll get it and they're they're bigam it's a nice feeling it's a nice feeling they they were going to [ __ ] up
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a coyote the other night I was like don't do that come back in God yeah no we we don't need that no we made them
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come back in cuz we're like do not attack aot please but they had zero fear they were like [ __ ] that that's their
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family that's their family they're looking up for you those are my [ __ ] right there literally quite literally
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yep quite literally so but when he said he just like went back upstairs and tried to go back to sleep I was like ah
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no also how do you just how do you go back to sleep after that like I I don't know and he didn't I mean he was
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definitely up all night so but it's like you have three kids in the house there's
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no way I can sleep after that yeah no so in the days after that there was obvious
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like tension that started forming in the house that Cathy couldn't explain she said from the moment she had introduced
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George to her kids cuz he's their stepfather right they had all gotten along very well like they loved him he
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loved them like since they got married he they had on their own valtion started calling him Dad wow like they it was a
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good fit yeah but ever since they moved into the house George's appreciation for
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the children we'll say had been a wearing thin oh no and he' started losing his temper with them a lot and
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he'd never ever done this before according to Kathy had he lived with children before he had I guess they had
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been together a lot like you know they had he had never lost his temper like or shown an inclination that he would lose
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his temper like them neither did some of my stepdads until we lived with them that's so awful but well he started
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referring to them as Bratz to her which he never did like he never did that I'd Square the [ __ ] up oh that's that's the
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thing so and then he called them misbehaved monsters who wouldn't listen he called them unruly children who must
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must be severely punished baby baby when I tell you this man would be in [ __ ] orbit at this point I'd be like get the
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[ __ ] out of my family get the [ __ ] out of my house yeah I'd be like you can go
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the shadow man bye yeah you go live in the boat house sir like see you later yeah no your kids come first yeah like
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[ __ ] you know talking [ __ ] about your kids uhuh no you know the sound it's Christopher Walkin On Tik Tok when he
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says you're talking to my guy all wrong yes do it again I'll stab you in the face with a soldering iron that's that's
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my energy so when it comes to the kids you talking to my guy all yeah now again though they
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recognized that this was a a big change in Behavior so much it wasn't like a change like oh I guess he's just getting
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used to living with kids it was like who is this man like unrecognizable yeah an
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unrecognizable man even George started to notice a change in everyone's personality especially his and author
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Jay ansen who wrote a book on this subject that will'll link in the show now uh he said it was not a big thing
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just little bits and pieces here and there so it was like it was a big change in his personality but it was like they
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it would come in small bits gradually you know like it wasn't an overall change it would suddenly like start
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rolling out yeah um like there was that big CH it was like big chunks of changes
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I should say like a big change in his personality with the kids so that happens all at once okay but nothing
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nothing really else so he's still the same George other than that but then a few days later he was always very
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meticulous when it came to his hygiene he was a very clean man he kept himself together we respect he stopped yeah but
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then a few days later not only is he being shitty about the kids but now he's being shitty about the kids and
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irritable and he's also not shaving or showering every day and he would go days without going into his work like his
00:28:18
office he's irritable he smells bad and he's getting lazy yes that's no buo get out of here so before they moved in
00:28:26
George had planned to move his office into at the house but now that they were all moved in and unpacked he just
00:28:31
abandoned that plan he just wasn't doing anything okay now George wasn't the onlyone experiencing strange [ __ ] in the
00:28:38
house or like you know a change Kathy was also starting to experience things but she was starting to see and feel
00:28:46
things that were like off-putting okay now a few days before Christmas Cathy was standing in the kitchen writing out
00:28:53
a list of gifts that they still needed to buy for people when she felt someone or something according to her come up
00:29:00
from behind and embrace her okay I'm not mad at it now she wasn't startled she said she weirdly felt comforted by the
00:29:09
presence huh and she said it seemed to reach out and take her hand very gently and gave it a soft Pat like her mother
00:29:17
used to do when she was young oh wow so that's kind of beautiful huh I know I'm like was that like you know the mom
00:29:27
maybe is that Mrs defa or don't some people I don't want to get there before you do but don't some people think that
00:29:33
there's a portal oh yeah so maybe her mom pass through or something like find there you
00:29:40
go who knows yeah so the illusion though was broken by the sound of Chris calling
00:29:47
from the other room screaming for his mom to come upstairs so the boys were in the upstairs bathroom looking down at
00:29:54
the toilet bowl and Kathy looked in and saw that the bowl was entirely black ew like it had been painted black okay
00:30:02
almost like that's how black it was so she flushed the toilet several times but it stayed ew so she was like I'm
00:30:10
confused about this cuz I just scrubbed the bathroom a few days earlier everything was spotless the toilet did
00:30:15
not look like this she was like what the [ __ ] from down the hall Kathy could hear
00:30:19
her other son Dany yelling for her to come quick to the other bathroom Dany was in the bathroom off of his parents'
00:30:26
bedroom to get cleaning supplies to try to help clean that that toilet bowl but when he went inside he saw that that one
00:30:33
was completely black too and it was admitting a foul oder maybe you got a septic problem that's what I'm saying so
00:30:39
the stench was so bad that it forced them out into the hall and they started yelling for George who noticed the smell
00:30:45
as soon as he got to the second floor Landing it was that bad oh gross so they ran from room to room opening all the
00:30:51
windows but when Kathy got into the sewing room which again was John and Mar deo's bedroom she was stunned to find
00:30:58
that both the windows were covered with black house flies I would vomit and it wasn't like a
00:31:05
few flies it was like covered e now it's not crazy for a New England home to have
00:31:12
problems with flies yeah like we all can confirm that we all get flies even if you're the cleanest house in the world
00:31:19
during the summer yes you're going to get flies but not that not to like cover all your windows well and also uh
00:31:27
remember this is the dead of winter oh right this is December right you shouldn't be having a problem with FL
00:31:33
they're pretty dormant in the winter and like dead yeah like and dead and like not alive yeah so things escalated from
00:31:43
there within a few days 5-year-old Melissa began frequently mentioning that she had a new friend named
00:31:50
Jodie and Kathy asked her daughter one afternoon is that one of your new dolls and she said no Jody's a pig he's my
00:31:58
friend no one can see him but me the way my entire body just got covered in Goosebumps yeah that's when
00:32:05
you throw the whole kid away you say you know what the whole kid away you are such a little sweetheart but we have two
00:32:10
others who are also pretty great so I got to give you the boot babe you know what you've ran out your welcome here so
00:32:17
one evening as George was putting Melissa to bed she started talking about Jodie and George was like okay like
00:32:24
where did your friend go and she said he'll be right back he had to go outside for a minute so like Kathy George was
00:32:31
assuming that Jodie you know was Melissa's new imaginary friend which isn't alarming for kids to create
00:32:37
especially at that age yeah no and they'll get very like serious about their imaginary friends they'll tell you
00:32:44
where they are what they're doing like you're sitting on my new friend you know like that kind of thing Luke Skywalker
00:32:50
back in the day my boy yeah your boy exactly skel tone but I had naughty Martha who did all the things that I I
00:32:58
did that you did not it on her but that's so it's like it's weird and alarming when it happens but also
00:33:06
not because you're like this is a kid thing it's a very normal stage of development yeah so at this point George
00:33:11
and Cathy are both thinking that Jody's a new Pig friend that she's got sure but
00:33:16
that night after he tucked her into bed Melissa all of a sudden said there he is
00:33:19
Daddy and pointed towards the window and he was like oh okay so he's like I'm going to look so when he look turns to
00:33:26
look he said he saw two fiery red eyes staring at him through the second floor window well and Sh yeah bye bye and she
00:33:35
said that's Jody he wants to come in I'd say he has to sleep outside tonight unfortunately yeah he has to sleep
00:33:43
outside forever eternity just yeah he's a pig he likes it out there oh yeah and he she was not afraid of Jodie that's
00:33:52
the thing like there was no fear she was excited well kids learn to be AF that's
00:33:56
the thing yeah there's there's my boy jod yeah my little pig friend he wants to come in let my guy in let my guy in
00:34:05
you're talking to my guy all wrong so he was like okay no so he was like I'm GNA say good night he'll find
00:34:12
his way in I guess by so over the course of their time in the house the attacks on the lutzes you know went from unseen
00:34:22
forces and then all of a sudden and that you can almost like believe that energy there
00:34:30
was energy that maybe they were hearing things maybe you could see something out
00:34:33
of the corner of your eye like that kind of thing if they had just stuck with that I would have been like probably
00:34:38
yeah yeah 100% like I probably would have believed that yes but then it start and even this like the ephemeral stuff
00:34:44
like going from like smelling foul odors kind of thing like I even that I can get
00:34:49
I believe in that because I feel like there's like science behind that yeah and and it's like you can even go with
00:34:56
the infestation of flies and the disembodied voices that kind of stuff you're like I I believe that that could
00:35:02
have probably happened and then it started getting physically assaultive and this is where I'm I'm out this is
00:35:10
where I get and it's not because I don't believe that you can be physically assaulted in the way that they were okay
00:35:18
I don't know though so I don't I don't know a lot about the ways that they were physically assaulted I know like the big
00:35:22
things in the case like the bleeding walls and the Flies and the priest and all that I to agree with you I believe
00:35:28
you can be physically assaulted but I'm interested to hear how they were so one evening everyone's asleep and they
00:35:35
claimed to have been woken up by knocking sounds that quickly escalated to the point uh that it was so crazy
00:35:42
that the windows cracked and the doors were blown off the hinges okay unless it's a hurricane I don't
00:35:52
know if I believe you yeah like let say you really had me go for a minute there there I'm you lost me here it's the
00:36:00
window you know what it's the windows cracking I would believe that a door got blown open cuz like I've seen that [ __ ]
00:36:06
oh no it didn't get blown open it got blown off the hinges oh sorry bye no yeah like oh you tell me a door got
00:36:14
blown open for sure absolutely off the hinges blown off the hinges no hurricane in sight no no yeah so also so that
00:36:26
happened and then even though George is slowly sinking into becoming a feral human being at
00:36:32
this point he's also finding himself constantly freezing in the house like could not get warm and he would spend
00:36:40
hours every day just sitting in front of the fire trying to get warm oh I don't like that at all yeah
00:36:47
so this this next one is the one where I say well if the if the doors blown up the hinges and the windows cracking
00:36:54
didn't make you go huh then I feel like this one probably should okay let's go girls so one night in January when they
00:37:03
were sleeping Kathy and George you know were suddenly woken up because Kathy was
00:37:08
lifted off the bed by an unseen force and George watched her be carried off into the
00:37:17
direction she can't even get through it she said she said I'm not there I'm just
00:37:22
picturing watching John be car like bye oh no that's silly like it's just silly goose [ __ ] I
00:37:37
just can't so she got carried off in the direction of the closet and the closet they had not found a use for this closet
00:37:45
apparently yet I don't it's a closet some [ __ ] clothes in there I don't know you should use it as a closet put
00:37:51
your shoes in there I guess so oh I'm crying um so I don't know what happened here apparently she
00:37:59
just got she got carried off to the closet and I the next day so apparently they dropped her and she was fine she
00:38:10
just stay she stay there George went over to investigate said closet because his wife was carried off into the wild
00:38:17
blue yonder over there so he was like I should I should see what's going on over
00:38:21
I love that there's no additional detail of that night just she got carried over
00:38:25
to the closet and then the next morning he went to check it out I'm like what about the in between time did you did
00:38:31
she get up off the floor did you help her did you did you stay the night there did she get picked up again they did was
00:38:38
she yelling I need so much more was she scared was she crying I would cry probably I would C did you just go back
00:38:46
into your bed after that and you're like whoa that was crazy what a ride hello I'm crying I was watching
00:38:54
scoobydoo last night and that is giving major Scooby Vibes oh what you like all I all I want to hear is like them
00:39:03
pulling the mask off of somebody in the closet you meddling kids or just like when they like run really quick like the
00:39:10
like I want to hear that with with the vision of Cathy being pulled away that for some reason the vision of
00:39:17
that just like sent me I could not stop laughing that's good [ __ ] and he goes and investigates the closet and he found
00:39:24
that just beyond it was a hidden room that didn't appear on any of the plans or blueprints that he' seen when he'd
00:39:31
went to the Amityville Historical Society I would be over the moon Happ be psych you have a hidden room room how
00:39:39
[ __ ] fun is that I'm out here trying to convince John to add a hidden room onto our house I think you should yeah I
00:39:46
want one and it could be a Speak Easy it's my dream that's my dream I'm like I'm an adult yes I should have a hidden
00:39:54
room hello I need more room for activities that's one of my goals in life is to have a hidden room oh do it
00:40:00
like behind your bookshelf right like you pull a book and a door opens and then it's just like a room I don't even
00:40:06
know what that room is for they do that [ __ ] on like weird like home shows all
00:40:10
the time I think you should do it I want to so we're going to convince John of that oh yeah I'll be over soon so I'm
00:40:17
like so what was the like reason for all so like she got carried over to that closet was that like the demons and the
00:40:24
ghosties just being like guys check it out you have a cool hidden room back here let me tell you if I was a ghost
00:40:29
living in that house I'd be like um you haven't discovered this yet check this out go do something there's but it's
00:40:35
like so much you could do with this so much room for activities but do you do you carry the wife over there in the
00:40:42
middle of the night now I do that now that I have that idea and I'm bringing it to the Afterlife with me yeah cuz I
00:40:48
mean you are going to get somebody's attention that way I mean it'd probably be like way more clunky than this
00:40:53
experience sounds because I'm not like I'm not like a power lifter yeah you know but maybe you will be maybe I'll
00:41:00
get that skill I I just feel like hop on piggy back on over to this hidden room yeah here we go I just want to show you
00:41:05
something real quick yeah so that happened but throughout their ordeal the Lutes kept quiet about what was
00:41:11
happening in the house they weren't telling people I wouldn't I'd be on the national news that's what I'm saying
00:41:16
they didn't want the you know reputation of crazy people you know these weird people just moved into the neighborhood
00:41:21
now they're creating a you know Shenanigans got it but like to be honest like just letting you know like if you
00:41:28
have weird [ __ ] happening in your house and we live in the same neighborhood and
00:41:32
you want to tell me like tell me everything tell me cuz I'm not you're going to be awesome come and knock on
00:41:37
our door been waiting so a few weeks after moving in they turned to the Amityville Historical
00:41:47
Society in the hope that they could maybe provide them some information about the house or the L cuz they know
00:41:53
about the Deo thing obviously but they were like you know what did anything else happen here which I was also like
00:41:59
do you need anything else I don't know like I feel like that'll do it in my opinion yeah so it took a few days but
00:42:06
eventually some of them from the society got back to them and uh what they said was that apparently the house it seemed
00:42:12
sat on land once used by the shinok tribe and uh it was used as quote an enclosure for the sick mad and the dying
00:42:22
oh the society member noted that well they may have used it as like a um kind of like a holding Place area the Shinx
00:42:31
didn't use the area as a burial ground and they didn't use that area as a burial ground because quote they
00:42:37
believed it to be infested with demons fantastic now this is something this would give me pause is there do you know
00:42:46
if that that's been like backed up if that's like the truth we'll get there okay so that's a no good question good
00:42:55
question so further Legends because of course you're not just going to get this one thing there's lots of chitchat about
00:43:03
this land about the house there all kinds of stuff so further Legends told of the Lutz's property once being home
00:43:10
to John Ketchum who was a former member of Salem Massachusetts who' been forced out of the state for PR practicing
00:43:18
witchcraft well [ __ ] Ketchum relocated to Long Island and set up a residence allegedly just a few hundred feet from
00:43:26
where the Lut has now lived and supposedly he continued practicing Witchcraft and devil worship okay um so
00:43:34
we all collectively can say that's [ __ ] not real yeah uh there is no there's no nothing to say that this is
00:43:44
the truth he did have to leave Salem Massachusetts for lot there is like things about him going to Long Island uh
00:43:51
but what we do know is that he was not um doing devil worship and all that [ __ ]
00:43:57
and uh there's also like According to some of the accounts John katum was buried somewhere on the northeast corner
00:44:05
of the let's property there's nothing to indicate that at all okay uh the discovery of this information was
00:44:12
obviously scary to the Lutes but it didn't really help them nor didn't help them uh it just kind of explained maybe
00:44:19
everything that was going on like maybe the land itself is evil which would make
00:44:23
more sense yeah so the Lutz's terrifying ordeal finally came to a head on January 13th
00:44:30
1976 so this was not a long period of time no not at all cuz remember they moved in towards the end of December um
00:44:37
by this point the attacks were constant they ranged from disembodied voices to being pushed by unseen hands to finally
00:44:46
what we' all know according to them seeing blood oozing from the walls hearing the sound of and one of my
00:44:53
favorites was they would hear the sounds of what they described as a full marching band in the living room forgot
00:44:59
about that one marching band good it's a good one and after discussing the matter
00:45:04
at length George and Kathy decided it would be in everyone's best interest if they got the [ __ ] out of the house maybe
00:45:11
just for a while maybe for good I love that they AR we're not sure yeah they were like you know what so they made
00:45:17
arrangements to stay with Cathy's mother in near Babylon New York so they were like you know what we'll stay with
00:45:22
Kathy's mom see what we can do oh so my portal theory is wrong because her mom's
00:45:26
alive yeah she is so that morning Cathy and George packed the kids and Harry into
00:45:33
their van and prepared to leave but George started to turn the key to the ignition and the van stalled oh no so he
00:45:43
got out and opened the hood hoping he could fix whatever was stopping them from leaving and as he stood in front of
00:45:49
the car leaning under the hood a big gust of wind forced the hood down and he barely managed to avoid being hit by it
00:45:56
us crazy that's crazy so just moments later Thunder sounded in the near distance and the wind picked up to
00:46:03
hurricane speed shut the [ __ ] up no it didn't which forced them out of the car
00:46:08
and back into the house just as the power went out uh wild series of events so despite the 20° temperature and rain
00:46:17
and sleep battering the house uh inside it was nearly 90° and felt as though it was getting hotter by the second okay
00:46:26
the storm ended a few hours later but it was still the power was off for the rest
00:46:29
of the day and at 600 p.m. the next day George went down to check the boiler which was off and when he came back
00:46:36
upstairs he saw what appeared to be a dark colored blob working its way towards the living room and towards
00:46:43
Cathy and the children okay and I was like don't worry that's just my sleep paralysis demon he's fine he just hangs
00:46:49
out don't worry about it but several hours later it was clear that they wouldn't be able to leave the house
00:46:54
until the next morning so Kathy George put the kids to bed and yeah but they put the kids to bed in their bed okay
00:47:03
and they fell asleep on chairs in the bedroom okay so they were all in the same bed I get that now a short time
00:47:10
later the heat in the house broke dramatically and the temperature just started to plummet now somehow even with
00:47:17
all that was going on inside and outside the house they all managed to fall asleep in that room no incorrect at 3:15
00:47:26
a.m. same time he had woken up before George was woken up again by the sound of a full marching band in the living
00:47:33
room downstairs what's like what do they think the marching band story is that's
00:47:38
what I wonder cuz I'm like where are they from who does that go back to yeah like a marching band yeah I don't know
00:47:45
about that but this time the noise was accompanied by a bunch of unintelligible voices like they couldn't tell what they
00:47:55
were talking about but just voices it was a whole it's like the victrola party at the smeer house [ __ ] I love a
00:48:02
victrola party I'm vcta par is everywhere that's but this one's like worse I guess so and honestly for the
00:48:12
first time things got a little worse here because George could hear the band or whatever it was start to climb the
00:48:18
stairs towards the bedroom he said parties in here I said oh no now the sound of the band signaled what would be
00:48:27
the worst and ultimately final assault on the Lutz family in that house uh because moments later lightning started
00:48:33
flashing in the bedroom the bed frame started shaking wait wait you you passed that like it was nothing lightning
00:48:42
flashed inside the bedroom well lightning didn't hit in the bedroom it like flashed in the like the bedroom's
00:48:48
like outside of the bedroom Lightning's flashing I thought you meant lightning was happening inside the room and I said
00:48:55
you can't just Grace past that you can't just walk past we got we got to talk about that for a minute I wouldn't have
00:49:01
been shocked if they said that happened well no me either by this point everyone
00:49:05
was awake but George found that he couldn't move he was having sleep paralysis and could feel what he thought
00:49:12
were Hooves stepping all over him nay nay that's that's my only response nigh nigh nay he said they were walking
00:49:21
across his body to get to his family okay and soon the whole house was shaking like it was going to come down
00:49:28
around them I mean that probably would be good it honestly see you later so it took all the strength he had but George
00:49:35
finally managed to break his paralysis getting himself up he grabbed his children and Cathy they ran towards the
00:49:41
door but when they got to The Landing George heard Dany cry out that there was something in his room and he told George
00:49:48
it's a monster he doesn't have any face I'd say that's fine cuz we're leaving anyway I'd be like that's cool leave him
00:49:54
be now when he looked up George saw an enormous hooded figure dressed in white standing near the stairs e the thing
00:50:03
pointed at them and George knew this was it he had to get his family out this is
00:50:08
the last second he had to get everyone out or they were going to die what if he just wanted to have a dance off and he
00:50:16
said and he was just like your turn your family let's see what you got you have a
00:50:20
whole marching man behind you I don't think so I think I think he was trying to see what their step team was all
00:50:26
about yeah he was trying to see if they had what it took to be America's Next Top dancer yeah he was like step up l's
00:50:35
family I think I think that's what was happening and you know what that's why no one ever had a problem with this
00:50:41
house again because they were like winners and they just like left they were like all right we're the winners
00:50:46
that's the thing so he ran his family down the stairs managed to rip open the door push the kids out then Kathy Harry
00:50:55
and himself and when once they were all in the van he jammed the key in the ignition and the engine turned over he
00:51:01
was able to start the ignition so they just wanted to have one last party yeah they just they were like stay another
00:51:06
night you didn't tell us you were leaving uh so he flies out of there tore down the driveway onto Ocean Avenue
00:51:14
Ocean Avenue where I used to sit and talk with I can't believe it's the first time we did that I know I can't that's
00:51:22
really that's sad that my first concert oh I loved that song Yellow Card forever
00:51:26
so they were finally free of the house whatever had happened in there and they would never go back there again yeah I
00:51:31
wouldn't either they wouldn't even go back there when they were investigating they refus to well it's for the plot I
00:51:36
was going to say it's for the plot like I wouldn't go back either if that if all
00:51:40
of that actually did happen to me but where we know it didn't just adds to the story like and then we never stepped
00:51:48
foot back in the scary house never so just a few weeks after fleeing their home George and Cathy were at a party
00:52:00
I took a sip of my drink at the worst time cuz you almost just got a straight up spit take they were just at a party
00:52:08
I'm sorry and maybe this is just me I don't even have kids yet if my kids were almost demonically possessed and like
00:52:15
taken away from me by demons I don't think I'd be hitting up on a party like weeks later and leaving them with anyone
00:52:22
I don't think my kids would ever let me leave them alone and I wouldn't leave them like and not alone I mean like even
00:52:28
with like a babysitter like they would my kids would just want to be with me 24/7 yeah and and vice versa cuz like I
00:52:35
know me as a kid if that happened to me I'd be like you're never leaving my side
00:52:39
Mom and Dad literally never we're sleeping in the same room forever like the [ __ ] are you celebrating I mean
00:52:46
getting out of what's going well they were at a party in Amityville where they happened to meet William Weber the
00:52:52
lawyer of recently convicted killer Ronald defo shut the [ __ ] up now Weber was a local so it is entirely possible
00:53:01
that this was a purely coincidental meeting yeah maybe it's strange that they met but like it's it's not that
00:53:07
strange cuz like they did all in the same community and like we said it is a smaller Community exactly so Weber had
00:53:13
always maintained that defo was mentally ill and he had been hearing command hallucinations in the weeks leading up
00:53:19
to the murder of his family so when George and Cathy mentioned where they had been living and the cause for them
00:53:24
leaving that house he was so interested cuz remember he's also in the middle of trying to get appeals for his clients so
00:53:32
this was a delicious Little Nugget of information for him with deo's conviction less than two months behind
00:53:40
them Weber had already started planning the appeals of course so he said demonic
00:53:46
infestation what paranormal attack tell me at all he said have a seat exactly so
00:53:53
in mid-February Weber actually organized a press conf conference for himself and
00:53:57
the Lutes shut up yep and during that press conference he announced based on certain facts related to relayed To Us
00:54:04
by George and Kathy Lutz and certain physical evidence brought to our attention we are considering a motion
00:54:10
for a new trial so Weber didn't provide any details there he just strongly indicated
00:54:16
that the very strong force that had driven the Lutes out of the house could have been to blame for motivating defo
00:54:23
to kill okay that's [ __ ] up yeah it is it's like you're literally blaming a house
00:54:28
for this guy just being a piece of [ __ ] yeah no I don't I don't like that and I
00:54:32
don't like that the Lutes were like yeah let us help you do that let's do this now contrary to what they would later
00:54:38
claim George and Cathy Luts minimize the extent of their supposed paranormal experience denying having seen human
00:54:46
shapes flying objects and hearing any wailing noises or you know whatever in fact the most George would say was that
00:54:53
they experienced psychic phenomenon that he could not describe that persuaded him
00:54:58
and his family to suddenly move out move out because of concern for our personal
00:55:02
safety as a family okay now on advice from their new legal council William Weber neither George nor Kathy would
00:55:11
elaborate on the details so they very much downplayed it for the Press at first they made it vague to to make
00:55:16
people more interested ex now the press conference gathered a lot of attention from the New York media and generated a
00:55:23
lot of rumors about the letes and their supposedly haunted house of course this kind of helped them well it's like when
00:55:30
somebody puts up like back in the day when people would put up a Facebook status like in the worst mood don't ask
00:55:35
me why yes everybody ask everyone's theorizing what it's about yes now it obviously it was not very often around
00:55:44
town that a seemingly reasonable couple was holding a press conference to announce they'd experienc psychic
00:55:48
phenomenon to such an extent that they'd been forced out of their new home wouldn't it be sick if that actually did
00:55:53
happen more often I know I'd be so interested about yeah you could like hold Town meetings and [ __ ] yeah now
00:55:59
among those who took interest in their story was a local news channel channel 5 who wanted to do an investigative story
00:56:05
on the house and the luta's experience George agreed to allow the news channel to enter the house but he said he and
00:56:12
his family would not be joining the investigation I bet a few weeks later the news team arranged to film the
00:56:18
investigation at the Lutz's house um and it was going to be led by a notorious husband and wife psychic investigative
00:56:26
team oh Ed and Lorraine Warren I was going to guess Ned and Moren a close yeah our our friends Ed and
00:56:35
Lorraine cut their fingers all up in here this is one of the ones they're most well known for actually um on the
00:56:42
night of the investigation the Warren arrived at the house with a number of other individuals from their Inner
00:56:47
Circle that included a lot of Psychics that would help with the Seance as they moved from room to room Lorraine used
00:56:54
her you know abilities uh to try to sense the presence of any evil entities that dwelled in the house
00:57:01
which I was like I don't really think we need Lorraine's abilities to see that I
00:57:05
think we can look at history yeah almost immediately Lorraine stated that she felt the presence of a negative entity
00:57:14
right from the bowels of the earth wow and she said this is the entity that was threatening you and likely convinced Deo
00:57:23
to kill his family which I was like oh yeah Lorraine shut the [ __ ] up are you really sitting here trying to take away
00:57:32
the fact that Ronald Deo Jr is a piece of [ __ ] who murdered his entire family because he's a piece of [ __ ] piece of
00:57:39
[ __ ] a piece of [ __ ] a piece of [ __ ] that's the thing it's just like it I when they go to like the Saker house and
00:57:47
they go to like these other houses like sure it's kind of fun I get it like spooky you're just living your life I
00:57:53
love ghost hunting I get it absolutely when involves a murder like directly a mass family Annihilation like like
00:58:01
multiple children died in their own homes while they were maybe sleeping step away from that don't touch
00:58:08
that and don't be sitting here trying to say that Ronald Deo Jr only did it because this demon from this house
00:58:18
convinced him to like don't take the responsibility off of him it's also just kind of St it's just stupid to claim
00:58:24
that when the history is very clear of like they had a bad relationship he and his family didn't have a great
00:58:31
relationship and he was not completely in his right mind all the time no exactly like on the day of the Mur he
00:58:38
wasn't yeah he had shown that he had he could be violent he had shown that he you know I mean he sounds like he had
00:58:45
grown up in environment that kind of uh help with that violence yeah and it's like we just to take the I just don't
00:58:54
like the taking responsibility of of him here and doing it to kind of further your own [ __ ] agenda which is ex
00:59:01
exactly what she was doing and that's why people think that's why Ed and Lorraine have the the black mark on them
00:59:08
that they do cuz this kind of [ __ ] like you want to do fun ghosty ghosty [ __ ]
00:59:12
but sure go right ahead this kind of stuff just rubs me the wrong [ __ ] way you just don't touch that they just and
00:59:19
it shows that they're scammers like it shows that they will go to the ends of the Earth to push their own [ __ ] and
00:59:27
it's like what are you trying to do like get this guy off for murder that's like
00:59:31
get this guy that's the other problem is that this just happened lorine and doing
00:59:36
this now yeah it's not like you're doing this now in like 2024 when the guy's dead and it's all over even that would
00:59:44
annoy me because it would be taking responsibility off of him yep but you're doing it within the first year that he
00:59:50
has been convicted and that it happened and that he is in the appeals process where they are using the IDE aidea that
00:59:56
he was mentally ill or insane or that there was some unseen force in the house making him do it just not cool no so
01:00:05
during one of the several seances conducted in the house that night one of the psychics accompanying the Warren
01:00:11
claimed to quote feel personally threatened by a shadow being and the entire team concluded a demonic Spirit
01:00:18
possessed the house and they recommended an exorcism of course and did they contact the arch dases of of course they
01:00:26
do they always contact the arch dases except they don't so the couple also took a bunch of time lapse photos at
01:00:34
various points around the house and in one of the photos taken at the base of the stairs it is a creepy photo it's a
01:00:41
very famous photo I don't even know if I've seen it there appears to be a child who can clearly be seen standing in the
01:00:47
doorway leading to an adjacent room hate that the Warren claimed that this was evidence of Paranormal Activity and
01:00:53
claimed the photo captured the Ghost of John Deo who was the youngest one okay whose Spirit they believe was still
01:00:59
trapped in the house oh [ __ ] it's a scary photo and that's horrifying I think it's it's a hard one
01:01:07
to uh to figure out what happened there like what kid that is that is probably one of the scariest pictures I've ever
01:01:13
seen in my life my I can feel the hair on my legs just standing up yeah it's that one's
01:01:19
definitely a scary one I'm like I hope I closed out of that cuz I don't want to like open my phone and have that be
01:01:25
there I know right [ __ ] that I do think though um that it has been debunked that
01:01:32
photo it's very clear I think it was um one of the Warren's team they figured out um I think it might have been like
01:01:41
his name was like Paul something I think is what they think it was uh either way
01:01:46
it's a pretty scary photo just as like I could see why people were fooled for a long time I probably would have been I
01:01:54
just was so see there you go that's I mean that's the that's the wild thing about the Warren is they they definitely
01:02:02
they're able to get you at first and then you're like oh [ __ ] you so while the Warren have been most the like the
01:02:10
biggest names associated with The idville Haunting and they are very much associated with it like it's like hand
01:02:15
in hand it's like them in The Conjuring kind of thing um they were merely one of
01:02:20
several paranormal investigators who were attracted to the house by that press conference like they weren't the
01:02:24
only ones uh their involvement in the case kind of ends when that investigation with Channel 5 ended like
01:02:32
they didn't really stick around longer oh okay they obviously discussed the incident in the story many many more
01:02:40
times in their career like they did use it as like the pinpoint kind of like goalpost thing yeah but they kind of
01:02:46
they pieced out after that channel 5 investigation like they got their fake photo and they were like all right bye
01:02:52
that's interesting so the Warren's investigation was followed by another investigation by Hans holer I've heard
01:02:59
of Hans which Hans holer I think when we were with Mikey and Dave watching uh a haunting that sto that show which we had
01:03:07
so much fun watching hilarious Hans holer was in a couple of the things and I said I think I believe everything this
01:03:13
man has to say cuz his name is Hans holer he just makes sense he's a supposedly skeptical Paranormal
01:03:20
Investigator who unlike the Warren was Guided by a more scientific method of inquiry which I can appreciate um
01:03:29
accompanied by Nom nominally famous psychic Ethel Johnson Myers I don't know if you've heard that name I have holer
01:03:36
suggested that the Lutz's house had been built on an ancient shinok Indian burial
01:03:41
ground that's the quote sure and was haunted by the angry Spirit of Chief Rolling Thunder I feel like that borders
01:03:49
on racism when they go the burial ground route yeah I think it's just that they don't have proof of that uh there's also
01:03:59
they don't have proof of that at all and they also were told by the historical society that like allegedly that these
01:04:08
um the indigenous people would not bury their dead on that ground because it was
01:04:13
thought of as like cursed yeah so they were told that it wasn't and now this guy's saying it it was yeah I take it
01:04:19
back when I said I believe everything Hans has to say yeah so he also examined many of the photographs s from the
01:04:26
original defo crime scene including several photos of the bullet holes in the walls and he said he saw mysterious
01:04:33
Halos appear around the bullets okay you're like no Hans uh from William Weber's perspective the Lutz's story was
01:04:42
one that was worthy of being told of course oh yeah you know he just wants to get it out you know no other reason at
01:04:49
all no it's really important just you know he just was entertained by it it has nothing to do with with his ongoing
01:04:56
court case no of course not why would you even think that guys so in March 1976 less than a month after the press
01:05:05
conference he presented the lutzes with a book contract with Publisher Mars and Burton well [ __ ] under the terms of the
01:05:13
contract Weber Mars and Burton and George and Kathy Lutz would receive 12% shares of the profits while Paul Hoffman
01:05:21
the book's proposed author would receive 40% 12 per kind of sucks that percentage
01:05:28
sucks so I would not do that for 12% yeah so Kathy and George were like well you know what he's been supportive of us
01:05:35
so let's just go with it so they signed the contract and let's go damn you didn't even [ __ ] up negotiate a better
01:05:41
percentage no now just a few weeks after signing the contract with William Weber
01:05:46
George and Cathy met Tam Mossman who was an editor with Apprentice Hall publishing okay they told Mossman about
01:05:53
the deal with Weber and he was like uh yeah he might be offering you free legal advice but he also offered you a really
01:06:00
bad book deal okay I'm like is somebody around them that gives a sh so since the
01:06:06
contract technically hadn't been finalized I guess they hadn't signed it I shouldn't have said that they agreed
01:06:11
to the contract they had signed it there was still time to back out of the deal no John H Mossman pres uh suggested that
01:06:19
they pursue their own author and sell the story on their terms so a few days later he introduced them to his friend
01:06:27
author Jay ansen who I mentioned before it sounds like they just didn't realize how lucrative this could be and when
01:06:33
they did they were like [ __ ] yeah that's literally what happened yeah so Jay Anson at the time was working on a
01:06:40
documentary about the making of the 1973 horror film The Exorcist hey unlike the
01:06:46
deal with Weber which you know gave a lot of individuals a lot of money for doing nothing yeah Anon suggested that
01:06:53
he work with the Lutes to tell their story for an even split of the profits that's a much better book deal much
01:07:00
better deal so days later the Lutes ended their contract with Weber their proposed one and eventually signed a new
01:07:06
contract with Anson by then however Weber and Hoffman had signed contracts with Good Housekeeping in New York
01:07:14
Sunday news for articles about the Lutz's experience in the house one appearing in July 1976 the other in July
01:07:22
1977 as a result the Lutes ended up suing in Weber and Hoffman in civil court for Eng invasion of privacy
01:07:30
seeking $4.5 million in Damages you're going to have to show me those damages 4.5 million you weren't
01:07:39
even worth that before are the damages in the room with us that's that's what the judge said the judge said hello can
01:07:47
you point to the damages no Hoffman and Weber well and Hoffman and Weber counter sued alleging
01:07:56
breach of contract and fraud so maybe they did sign actually and they requested $2 million in Damages which
01:08:03
they probably could have accounted for exactly So eventually the court did dismiss George and Kathy lets's suit
01:08:10
against Weber and Hoffman but by then Anson's book had been published and had quickly become very very successful the
01:08:18
book would actually go on to sell more than 10 million copies worldwide [ __ ] and it spawned the hit adaptation in
01:08:25
film the 1979 Amityville Horror you know I've never seen it it's wild and it had
01:08:32
seven direct sequels as well as dozens of unofficial films which just ask Caleb our boy Caleb is currently just
01:08:42
bushwhacking his way through he's like he's chest deep in Amityville sequels he's always he's and he's not happy
01:08:50
about it he embarked on a journey that he didn't know all about you know Caleb is a completionist he
01:08:59
does not like to half ass things so once he starts something he's going to finish
01:09:03
it he's a balls to thewall kind of guy so if you yeah he's really going for it uh cuz as soon you can now use the
01:09:12
idville name to like it's now open to you so that's why people use it to sell movies yeah it's like because you can't
01:09:20
copyright a town name or something like that yeah it's like it's you can just you can use it so it's like people use
01:09:25
it uh the P publication of Anson's book and all the films were a financial Boon for the Lutz family of course but with
01:09:33
the success and attention came a little bit of scrutiny I would say that would eventually uncover some inconsistencies
01:09:42
and cracks in the story so the cover of Jay Anson's book The Amityville Horror that's what it's
01:09:50
like his is the original includes quite a uh a bold subtitle a true story so this is implying that this is a
01:10:01
a non-fiction book that's wild in fact I mean it was that claim that really was the success and the legacy of the books
01:10:08
and films for idville of course um creating a myth that even today nearly 50 years later a lot of people believe
01:10:16
is a very a totally true story but it's also understood that when an author adapts a supposedly true story
01:10:24
for a book or a movie there will be elements woven in for you know the sake of readability and continuity you know
01:10:31
like fictional elements some artistic license that's why it always says like based on a true story exact that's what
01:10:38
it needs to say but there's just said a true story yeah you got to say based yeah the problem with Anson's book
01:10:45
however was that it included so many unbelievable and outrageous claims that it wasn't long before a lot of people
01:10:51
wanted to see the evidence and support you know they were like show me what what makes this a completely true story
01:10:58
because I don't know now the Amityville Horror was released in mid-september of 1977 and within a few months journalists
01:11:08
and Skeptics around the world started flooding Anson's publisher Apprentice Hall Incorporated with requests ranging
01:11:15
from the whereabouts of the Lutes or Ralph pearo the Reverend to the existence of evidence directly
01:11:22
contradicting the claims made by the book they were like we wanted in the uh in an article for news day
01:11:28
published in November that year investigative journalists took matters into their own hands when
01:11:33
representatives from Apprentice Hall refus to respond to requests for any of this or any questions uh oh among the
01:11:40
discoveries that were made were the local Catholic dicese quote denied that psychic incidents in conversations
01:11:48
including clerical official cited in the book ever took place so the Catholic church is like leave us the [ __ ] out of
01:11:55
your hauntings the Catholic church is like get the Warren away from get our get our name out of your dirty
01:12:02
mouths they're doing like they're putting the warrs in the freezer you know what we will engage in witchcraft
01:12:09
stop we're going to engage in the dark arts here just to get you to shut the [ __ ] up about us I bind you Warren they
01:12:16
also found out that neighbors and former and current residents of the house denied multiple key points of the story
01:12:23
including the Amityville historical Society denying that there was any evidence of
01:12:29
the land having been used by the shinok tribe whose ancestral land was quite a bit further east that's so [ __ ] up
01:12:38
like yikes that you guys were like let's throw some indigenous [ __ ] in there cuz
01:12:43
that's spooky like whoa you didn't think someone was going to check up on that that makes you look like such a [ __ ]
01:12:52
douchebag and to use the IM historical society's name too they're going to be like no no like you don't think they're
01:13:00
going to come forward and be like no [ __ ] that's our literal job that's shitty to do yeah especially to like
01:13:07
indigenous communities and what's funnier because remember they claimed that while they were in the house they
01:13:12
went to the historical society and joined them to find out what was going on or nor a representative from the
01:13:18
Historical Society confirmed that the letes did join the Historical Society but not until January 25th 197 76 was
01:13:26
which was a few weeks after they fled the house and a few weeks after was when they met William Weber and started
01:13:34
discussing all of this [ __ ] so I'm sure there was discussion of why don't you join the historical society and find out
01:13:40
some [ __ ] e and then if you don't find out what you want just lie about it just make it
01:13:45
up that's fck you know what yeah also like I think you just said you didn't think anyone was going to check up on
01:13:51
that that's the thing like come on that always happens with people who lie though you're like you didn't think
01:13:58
anyone was going to look into that and that like the the society that you literally mention by name isn't going to
01:14:05
be like no yeah why wouldn't you just say like according to unnamed sources if you're going to lie do it you named a
01:14:11
society yikes like damn now at least two paranormal investigation groups declined
01:14:17
to investigate the house at the let's requests quote because of commercial promotion or lack of observable data
01:14:25
so they were like no it was very clear that they wanted to make this a thing so we wouldn't investigate which I was like
01:14:31
good Integrity on them I love an Integrity I do too I love an integrity that's what I look for now the new
01:14:38
owners of the home Barbara and James cromity I hope I said their name right also spoke out holding their own press
01:14:45
conference to defend the reputation of their home and the memory of the defo family nice Barbara told the group at
01:14:53
the press conference the house is n haunted it's beautiful and we love it uh the chomes were particularly critical of
01:15:01
Anson's book and the Lutes telling reporters that their claims have drawn thousands of curious onlookers to drive
01:15:07
by the house and even come onto the property that's really [ __ ] up don't go on to somebody else's property no and
01:15:13
Barbara said it was ridiculous and tragic for the surviving members of the defo family and for the town yeah they
01:15:19
were made into ghouls right and it's true now Jay Anson the author defended the book in the assertion that it was a
01:15:27
true story he said the way I approached the story I left myself out of it I did it as a reporter so that by the end of
01:15:33
the book you believe or you don't believe these are the facts this is what happened to the family this is what
01:15:39
happened to the priests now the problem with ansen and the Lutz's position there
01:15:44
that he just said that readers could make up their own minds about what happened that strongly suggests that uh
01:15:51
he was not working with facts yeah but instead he was with subjective experiences that are um huh notoriously
01:16:00
difficult to prove or disprove which is why you cannot put a true story on the cover if it was a true story you say
01:16:08
this is truth yeah I'm just reporting facts and I can back it all up but instead he's saying you either Believe
01:16:14
it or you don't o okay I don't believe it okay I don't there's that now in fact as Newsday pointed out quote differences
01:16:23
between the Lut version of events and ascertainable facts crop up in the book from start to
01:16:29
finish when Newsday reporters spoke to the Lutz's Neighbors on Ocean Avenue all of them denied noticing anything unusual
01:16:36
happening in the house one neighbor said if they did have problems you'd think they would have come over and make some
01:16:42
mention to the neighbors in fact James malali who purchased the let's former home after they moved to edville visited
01:16:50
the family at the new house a few weeks after they had moved in by which time the book claimed they were under very
01:16:57
heavy Supernatural attack at this point yeah but James malali recalled that George and Cathy happily gave them him a
01:17:03
tour of their new house at no time did they say anything at no time did anything seem out of the ordinary and
01:17:11
likewise when the CR family moved in a few months after the lutzes fled they found nothing out of the ordinary and
01:17:17
there was no signs that the house had sustained any damage on the inside which remember they're claiming that doors
01:17:23
blew off hinges it was crumbling around going crazy yeah well it would have been
01:17:29
impossible to verify the let's story of their experience since you know you can't verify someone's personal
01:17:36
experience no there were a large number of people supposedly consulted during their stay in the house who could be and
01:17:43
often were followed up with by reporters in one of the book's most notorious moments George L Lutz described seeing
01:17:50
his daughter's imaginary friend jod through a window and when he went outside to investigate he said he found
01:17:56
a trail of hoof tracks left in the snow now according to George he called the police and he said Sergeant Pat
01:18:04
karodo was dispatched to the house Sergeant karodo on the other hand told the reporter that story was quote
01:18:12
absolutely false I was never on the property from the time of the defo murder investigation until after the
01:18:18
let's left you can't lie about the police they have logs they have logs like Alo like
01:18:27
you named some poor guy in this like what the [ __ ] and an officer of the law of the law kidding also the weather
01:18:36
report indicated there was no snow on the ground when George claimed to have found the tracks in the snow nor had
01:18:42
there been any snow on the ground the week prior George baby George honey you got to look at weather reports my guy o
01:18:52
almost almost happier that he didn't though damn big old yikes in another of the novel's most memorable moments
01:19:00
Reverend pearo hears that disembodied voice tell him to get out while he's blessing the house in fact Pear's
01:19:07
involvement in the story was one of the aspects that lent the story a lot of credibility that he's a priest he's
01:19:14
coming and saying this is happening yet when he was called to testify in the Lutz's suit against Weber pearo stated
01:19:22
quote his only contact relating to this case was a telephone call from the lutzes regarding their psychic
01:19:31
experiences what now contrary to their repeated claims that those M and those made in the Anville horror Reverend
01:19:40
pearo never went to bless the Lutz's house I feel duped according to pearo he referred George Lutz to the local Parish
01:19:52
St Martin of tors and suggested they speak with the priest there but he said but quote the Lutes neither called nor
01:20:00
ever attended Mass well yeah cuz remember they weren't [ __ ] religious oh and the claim that the priest this is
01:20:06
the priest that helped them when they were getting married debunked they were married July 4th 1975 and during
01:20:14
questioning George answered later that they met the priest July 14th 1975 and Kathy said they met him July
01:20:22
30th 1975 over the phone y'all don't even remember your [ __ ] wedding date and then he
01:20:30
said no no I've only had contact with them over the phone what yeah guys so they could even get the right do you
01:20:40
think that cuz like I mean they left the house like do you think they they got in
01:20:44
over their heads I know exactly what happened here and I'll tell you okay so the most damning Discovery I would say
01:20:51
made during this time came from one of the book's original Architects was Willam Weber who told People magazine in
01:20:57
1979 I know this book is a hoax we created this story over many bottles of wine that George Lutz was drinking we
01:21:04
were creating something that the public wanted to hear oh no so I'd say that he said we were creating something that the
01:21:12
public wanted to hear and allegedly it could have helped my client exactly according to Weber the Lutes created the
01:21:19
story in an effort to get out of deep financial trouble mhm cuz they bought a house that was like double their [ __ ]
01:21:26
price range cuz the house was a bargain at $80,000 for what it was but like you said it was almost twice the average
01:21:33
home price at the time and twice what the light Lutes could afford ma always says a sale is not a sale if you can't
01:21:41
can't afford it exactly and their mortgage wasn't their only expense they also owned a car a motorcycle and two
01:21:49
boats the fu with the typical expenses I'm saying boats are expensive oh yeah along with the typical expenses that
01:21:58
come from raising three children that's the other thing you got three holigans running around yeah three little
01:22:03
hooligans they're expensive super expensive so the pass two boats I'm sorry what hell no in simplest terms the
01:22:12
Lutes were living a lifestyle well beyond their means yes and it didn't take long to realize they couldn't
01:22:20
[ __ ] afford all of it and the book that's why it's so strange that they decided to take this house on when they
01:22:27
knew they couldn't afford that mortgage so I think they went into this knowing what they could do I wonder because once
01:22:34
they found out it was the defo house I wonder if they said well we could turn this into something I think they knew it
01:22:39
was the defo house I don't know but like you said they lived in New York yeah it's strange this national news it
01:22:45
wasn't just like a a little thing that happened in New York yeah now the book deal with ansen and the movie adaptation
01:22:52
that followed were very lucrative obviously but the lutzes didn't plan on things going badly between them and
01:22:59
their original Partners or the possibility that they were going to be sued that's why you don't [ __ ] people
01:23:03
over in contracts exactly contracts are shouldn't be [ __ ] around with so in fact it was Weber's frustration and
01:23:12
animosity that led him to expose the story in the first place because they [ __ ] him over and he continued to do
01:23:19
so in the years that followed and I'm sorry isn't it just funny yeah like they [ __ ] him over in a contract and he was
01:23:33
like okay I God he said hold my beer he said I'll buy my time and then I'm going
01:23:41
to ruin your whole life in 1988 in fact so he's still going good this was in 1970 something he's
01:23:51
he's in 1988 still hold a grudge hold a [ __ ] it's like that lady on Tik Tok oh I feel that deep in my bones know
01:24:00
that I will be that person who has a gruder in the afterlife and I will take on other people's grudges for fun I'm
01:24:06
working the counter I'm Petty as [ __ ] I got we got this together building a gruder I would be William weer in this
01:24:15
scenario me too 1988 a decade later I'm still [ __ ] you over I got something to say he said I'll
01:24:25
Burn It To The Ground burn it all so in 1988 like years later he appears on the show urrent Affair where he elaborated
01:24:36
he said we took the real life incidents and transposed them in other words it was a
01:24:43
hoax he's still I love 1988 he's like did I did I say it loud enough for the people in the back it wasn't real it was
01:24:51
a hoax so the Amityville hoax would be the subject of many court cases in the decades since its publication most
01:24:58
having to do with money but none as surprising as Ronald deo's 1992 attempt to use the claims as the basis for a
01:25:07
petition for a new trial which is the shitty part of what came out of this I can't luckily it didn't work because by
01:25:13
that time defo had served 15 years of his life sentence but he believed the exposure of the Amityville hoax entitled
01:25:20
him to a new criminal trial he said William Weber gave me no choice he told me I had to do this he told me there
01:25:27
would be a lot of money from book writes in a movie he would have me out in a couple years and I would come into all
01:25:33
that money the whole thing was a con except for the crime I mean yeah so that's the we laugh about William Weber
01:25:39
being like Petty as [ __ ] about the lutzes but he was really shitty when it came to the defo case cuz he was trying
01:25:44
to get him out on that yeah which is not cool which [ __ ] that so the legacy of
01:25:49
the Lutes and the idville horror and like I said in the first um episode with the defos it didn't work yeah didn't get
01:25:56
his new [ __ ] but the legacy of the Lutes and the Amityville Horror has persist
01:26:01
persisted for nearly 50 years and it has led to countless debates about fact fiction what is real what isn't it what
01:26:10
gets what tends to get lost in all of that though is the story about Amityville the town itself like um it's
01:26:20
kind of Taken on a life of its own the myth of Amityville and it like we said it's a it's a Seaside
01:26:27
town it's a small place it's a nice place and it's really disrupted life for the residents there because people can't
01:26:35
tell too absolutely um well Anson the Lutes and Ed and Lorraine Warren made Millions from their supposedly uh quote
01:26:44
unquote true story people like Barbara and James cromity who owned the house and the residents of Anville had to
01:26:51
contend with thousands of people in paranormal Enthusiast descending on their town every year yeah that's
01:26:57
annoying it's kind of like Salem during Halloween I you know what I mean people forget that people live there and that
01:27:04
that's their home and it's I think it would be one thing if people you know just like went passed by like that would
01:27:09
be something people act a fool around like Halloween and they act a fool around paranormal stuff it's like go if
01:27:17
you want to go and be respectful like to S them obviously but like leave people's
01:27:21
personal properties alone yeah that's the thing like you just got to be you got to be cool about it man you want to
01:27:27
drive past the house I get that I probably want to drive drive by look at it move on yeah like but don't be weird
01:27:35
don't don't disrupt people's lives yeah you know it's not cool like I don't know
01:27:39
when this episode comes out cuz I never know where we are in space and time but sometime in October it's in October so
01:27:44
if you're going to Salem this month or anytime really because remember people live there but especially during the
01:27:51
Halloween months when it's like really crazy there just that's cool they people don't mind I I don't live there but like
01:27:57
people don't mind just be be respectful to people who live there it's it's a really cool place it's a really
01:28:03
historical place it's got a lot of heavy history and people live their year round
01:28:07
and have their kids there they have families there so just like be cool just don't act a fool don't be all un they
01:28:13
will don't be all uncool as you know Luen says count us and because you want to be able to go there every year and if
01:28:20
it continues the way it has been they're going to be like [ __ ] Y'all yeah they're
01:28:23
going to shut that down I wouldn't blam them I wouldn't either so last summer apparently and this was in um in 1977
01:28:32
Barbara told reporters Barbara kity the owner of the house said last summer 5,000 people trumped through here they
01:28:38
left trash everywhere and even had picnics on the neighbors Lawns which if you're that kind of person [ __ ] you like
01:28:45
you got get it together what are you doing having a picnic on someone's [ __ ] lawn also if you're one of those
01:28:51
kind of people which you're not if you're listening to the show cuz none of our listeners are are stupid no you're
01:28:57
all great but if you know someone that's like that you got to tell them to go to
01:29:01
BJs and get themselves the family pack of [ __ ] shame because you have I didn't know what you were going to tell
01:29:08
these people to buy a no shame if you are and you need some like you need a healthy amount of human shame you don't
01:29:16
sit on someone's lawn and have a picnic like that you should when you don't have
01:29:21
shame to that degree you're bordering on not being a human and you need to go fix that if you can't
01:29:28
call your mom or like somebody you love and tell them what you did that day don't do that yeah don't do that thing
01:29:34
good call now despite all the claims of Supernatural assaults and documentation of hoaxes and an endless parade of
01:29:41
taurus the house at 112 Ocean Avenue still stands and it's as marketable as ever some of the subsequent owners went
01:29:50
as far as to renovate removing the you know they finally remov the homes iconic Dutch Windows to make it less
01:29:56
recognizable to tourists yeah um because they did those they became the iconic uh
01:30:03
Windows they looked like eyes they were spooky yeah and other owners embraced the history and celebrated its place in
01:30:09
Horror history like you know you never know who you're going to get Liv in there uh it's kind of like the um the
01:30:15
house on Elm Street the house from Nightmare on Elm Street that house has had several owners over the years the
01:30:21
newest owner uh does not embrace place in says please [ __ ] off which that's a place there's a difference
01:30:31
between a mass murder happening in a place a real mass murder and a real hoax happening in one place I feel like
01:30:38
that's a place where it's just got a different vibe but if you're buying the Elm Street house you know what you're
01:30:44
buying it's true you're buying the house from Nightmare at Elm Street yeah come on come on you got to know you got to
01:30:51
know I won't get into if people are just driving by cool people taking like a quick pick I get it yeah people on your
01:30:58
lawn kick them off no nobody should be going on your property that's not no matter what you're doing but if they're
01:31:03
near your property like come on you but you got to embrace that one a little bit
01:31:07
not on property I'm saying off property but in but that's the thing like with with all these kind of houses and places
01:31:13
you're going to get people who embrace the the kookiness and the wildness and the horror stuff you're going to get
01:31:20
some people who aren't as comfortable with it and you need to respect regardless people's boundaries are
01:31:25
important yeah now in January 2023 the former defo murder house sold for $1.5 million which was a
01:31:35
1,775 per increase from what George and Cathy Luts paid in 1977 well [ __ ] pretty
01:31:41
good increase um the I don't know how the newest owners feel about it so I think the safest thing is to assume they
01:31:48
do not like the attention of that house and to leave them be and let them live I
01:31:54
like that I like that but everybody so far who has lived in that house has claimed that that house is not haunted
01:32:02
in the way that it it has been portrayed and it's been 50 years so like 50 plus years I think we're going on 60 maybe
01:32:10
people have experienced little things here and there I wouldn't be shocked by any means but they have not you know
01:32:16
heard marching bins and been carried off into closets and such I want to know whose idea it was to add the marching
01:32:23
band cuz that's just that's that's that's overzealous it is and the the big figure pointing that's my favorite
01:32:31
visual that I created for myself yeah just I just picture him like pointing and then when they didn't like start
01:32:37
dancing like he just gets on the ground and starts doing like a coffee grinder move yeah he's like oh okay it's my turn
01:32:43
then gu okay let me show you how it's done sking your turn fine this how we do it on the other side he's like all right
01:32:48
it's going to cost you in judging but let's go oh man so that is the story of The
01:32:55
idville hoax what a tale what a tale it's when you really look at it like overarching view it is really shitty
01:33:04
what they did it's very shitty it's like super shitty and they did it for their own personal gain which is very shitty
01:33:11
yeah and when you think about like um I forget who said it but somebody was like
01:33:15
they're still like defo family members and you turned them into ghouls like that's [ __ ] up they banked off of the
01:33:20
defo tragedy which is a horrific I mean we covered it first episode how bad that
01:33:24
was that was a horrific horrific family Annihilation and and still has unanswered pieces of that like there's
01:33:31
so much mystery surrounding that in and of itself they banked on that and they also banked on a
01:33:38
fictional burial ground yeah which scenario so [ __ ] up I hate I hate that aspect yeah and it's like I don't and
01:33:45
then they threw like John Ketchum into there yeah they they really just ran in so many different directions like damn
01:33:52
you just dipped your fingers in the Witch Trials too like you really grabbed it's like the trifecta [ __ ] up for
01:33:57
real are you indigenous burial ground uhhuh actual family Annihilation and the Salem Witch Trials you just grabbed all
01:34:06
three and threw them in the story just tragedies everywhere yeah o so yeah that's wild it is a wild Tale But it's
01:34:14
spooky season so we got more [ __ ] crazy ass Tales coming your way we do and I hope you're enjoying them and
01:34:21
being horrified by them yeah I have like a murder Mansion next I think there's a
01:34:25
poltergeist coming down the pike oh yeah we got it all and then guys hang real tight because following all of this the
01:34:34
next couple episodes you're getting Jerry brutos Fish killer oh no so that one's
01:34:42
going to take us right back into the depths of hell it's just going to make you feel real weird about putting your
01:34:46
shoes on in the morning it sure will I so look him up everybody if you don't know who he is and anticipate that yeah
01:34:52
we also have some special guests that are going to be upcoming we're really excited about that we we have a lot of
01:34:57
cool stuff coming down the pike we do I'm excited and before spooky season commences we're doing something a little
01:35:04
extra fun for the listener tale yes but stay tuned for that cuz we we got some stuff in the works cuz that one falls on
01:35:11
Halloween right it falls yeah that one falls on Halloween so who knows who know you might see but we have up Our Sleeve
01:35:21
who knows I'm so EX I'm very excited I can't wait so yeah um with all that being said
01:35:30
we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you take an
01:35:37
entire family's tragedy and like so many other tragedies throughout history and turn them into um a book for your own
01:35:44
personal gain I just think that's a little bit shitty yeah it's not cool yeah just don't lie like if you
01:35:50
experience something haunted go off go crazy that's excited but if you're going to lie about it you're just a [ __ ]
01:35:57
squid it's true no one likes a squid no bye bye [Music] oh [Music]