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Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And
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this is Morbid.
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>> This is morbid. It's more of the bed.
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>> It's more of it.
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>> And bit of more.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> It's It's our show.
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>> Yeah. What's up?
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>> We went to yoga this morning.
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>> We yogaed so hard. Actually, we did. Let
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me just say for a second, we yogaed with
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the best of them this morning. That was
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a hard class.
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>> A difficult flow. I was not quite
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flowing, but
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>> but you know,
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>> but I moved.
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>> We got through it.
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>> I What was it? Half moon reverse and
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moon left and moon right there. So much
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mooning.
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>> It was a lot of mooning. Not that kind
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of.
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>> We were not showing our asses, but I was
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I was showing my lack of
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>> kind of showing my ass with showing how
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I don't know how to do all yoga poses.
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Yeah, for sure.
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>> But yeah, I feel I we're trying to like
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move, you know?
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>> We're trying We tried a Pilates class
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yesterday.
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>> Yeah. I'm just trying to like
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>> And then we signed up for a lot of
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Pilates classes.
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>> Yeah. And I feel you know what it is?
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It's like ever since like the kids are
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getting like older and I'm sitting there
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being like, I need to be like around and
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healthy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> For the rest of your days. We I need to
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be 150 years old. still kicking it with
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you and your my great great
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grandchildren.
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>> Awesome.
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>> So, I'm looking to stay to do that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, I think
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quite a lofty goal.
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>> You know what? I'm a Capricorn.
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>> I mean, I make big goals.
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>> You know what? Actually, I've been
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shouting out my nail guy so much and I
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got my nails done the other day and he
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was like, "Thank you so much for
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shouting me out. Here I go again, Hely.
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I went to the nail salon last week and
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he had on Black Mirror which I've never
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seen before.
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>> It's like obviously like very like
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sci-fi futuristic. You know, maybe you
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will live until 150 cuz they might
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upload you to the cloud and you could
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just continue living on.
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>> That'd be pretty sick.
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>> Yeah, let's go.
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>> I don't know if I would want to live on
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the cloud. Do you think you would?
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>> I mean, if if my kids are still around,
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I would like to still be around.
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>> That's beautiful.
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>> That's how I feel.
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>> That's the most beautiful thing I've
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ever heard.
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>> If they're if they're still kicking it,
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throw me on the cloud.
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>> Okay, I'll write that down. can stay
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around.
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>> I think I'm like I'm something in your
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will. So, I'll make sure I know that.
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>> So, there you go.
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>> I guess you won't even need the will cuz
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you'll be kicking it.
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>> I'll just be around.
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>> Everybody's just kicking it.
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>> Yeah. And I want to be like a cool
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grandma.
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>> What do you want your grandma name to
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be? Have we talked about that?
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>> That I haven't figured out yet.
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>> I know what I want mine to be.
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>> I won't know that until I think it's
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like happening.
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>> I want to be glamma.
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>> That makes sense.
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>> And I refuse I refuse to be called
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anything else.
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>> I kind of want to do the thing where I
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let them decide. What if they call you
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like Schnoogan?
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>> Then Schnoogan it is.
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>> And Schnoogan.
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>> Yeah. Then Schnoogan it is.
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>> Hey,
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>> I love a weird grandparent name. So
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>> I do too. Like um I don't want to say
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names, but like our family
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>> one of the Yeah. One of our our friends
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their kids call their grandparents uh
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Goo and Goopy.
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>> Oh yeah, that one.
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>> And I think that's the funniest thing
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I've ever heard in my life.
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>> And then in our family, like we have
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extended family where their grandkids
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call them
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>> banka. Yeah.
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>> Banka and Gigi, I think.
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>> And Gigi. Yeah.
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>> Oh, you know what though? For me, I do
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want to be called Gigi.
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>> See,
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>> this is tough. You got some time to
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think about it. So,
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>> yeah. I don't even have children yet.
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>> You know,
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>> you're like, "My kids are nine. We all
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have time to think about it. That's why
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I'm not worried about it right now."
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>> All right. Well, Pilates, kids,
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grandma's uploading to the cloud. What
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do you got for us today?
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>> What do I have for you today?
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>> What's up, Red?
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>> Oh, I have a t-shirt for you today.
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>> You have a t-shirt for me,
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>> Mikey? I just looked over. Is that the
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universal signature for for t-shirt?
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>> I just looked over. I said, "What do I
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have for you today?" And I just happened
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to look at Mikey and he just kind of
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like flexed like placed his hands down
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his body and I said, "T-shirt."
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>> But you also kind of like he kind of did
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it like in the chicken dance way and
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like moved his shoulder. He like started
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under
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>> It kind of felt like he was coming at
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you.
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>> Yeah. And I got it. I was like,
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"T-shirt?" That's like We mind melded
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for a minute. I said, "Te-shirt."
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>> I just stood over here like what? Yeah,
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we um I'm not good at this, so maybe Ash
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got you. Um we teamed up with And it
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doesn't even feel like we teamed up with
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them because they're just so talented. I
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don't even really feel like I did
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anything.
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>> Yeah, they did all the talented part of
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this. They did
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>> it was and they are Matt and Ryan from
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the Black Veil. Um if you go to the
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Salem Nightfare, you know who Matt and
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Ryan are. And if you don't go to the
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Salem Nightfare, what the [ __ ] is wrong
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with you?
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>> Get on it.
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>> Get on it next year. But in the
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meantime, you can support them and us by
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buying our brand new shirt that they
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created. And it's really [ __ ] cool.
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Wait, what the [ __ ] What?
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>> It's a piece of lettuce. Girl,
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girl,
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>> what is happening? I just
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>> Mikey and I are both like
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>> I was just like hitting myself to clear
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my throat and this this lettuce did not
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come out of my throat but I don't know
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where it came from. You you would you
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would like
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>> you just slap your chest and food comes
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>> remnant lettuce
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>> remnants of a past lunch whatever I
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laugh I'm like I don't laugh like that
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and people are like yeah you do I just
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laugh like so many varieties
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but yeah the merch that we like is
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awesome and Matt and Ryan are so
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talented also really cool because
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they're our tattoo artists so Yeah. If
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you have this, it's like having them
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tattoo you.
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>> Exactly. You know, it's they're insanely
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creative. They're lovely human beings.
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>> The loveliest of human store is [ __ ]
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phenomenal and there's nothing like it.
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>> And there's actually one of a kind
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experience. Yeah. There's two now.
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There's one on um Essex Street, right?
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>> Essex Street and then the other one's on
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Boston Street.
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>> Yeah. They're amazing. And we were so
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excited to just like join up with them
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and for them to do the hard part which
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is create the design and also
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>> cuz we trust them.
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>> So you can either go to our Instagram
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and like hit a link there or however
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that works or you can go to
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>> Blackville Studio.
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>> Blackville Studio.com
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>> Leave yourself in.
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>> Leave yourself in. I'm like Mikey what
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is it?
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>> Leave it in.
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>> Leave it in. We need to get merch also
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that just says leave it in. Um, also
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they created our uh rewatcher artwork.
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So if you're not going over to listen to
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the rewatcher, we're now covering True
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Blood. We're all done with Buffy, which
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was so much fun. If you haven't listened
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to the Buffy one, do that. But now we're
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on to more different things.
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>> And Andrew McMahon did our [ __ ] theme
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song for tonight. Can you believe it? So
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I'll never stop saying that.
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>> We might say that every episode. I
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probably will.
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>> And you can't blame us.
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>> No. Who could blame us? What millennial
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can blame us?
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>> I don't. Even the Gen Z's, you can't
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blame us.
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>> No, you can't. I'm saying crazy stuff.
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You are. She's really off her.
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>> I'm a little bit rogue. I wasn't going
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to have a diet.
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>> A little bit rogue. She's a little bit
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rogue. I wasn't going to have a diet
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coke and then I had a diet coke. Yeah,
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that'll happen. Only had like four sips,
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but it's making me rogue. Well, before
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we go too rogue, before I allow Ash
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before Rogue loses all
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>> fly off into the the wild blue yonder
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>> into the vagy,
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>> uh, we have a two pad here. I didn't
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even know that. Yeah, we have a tada.
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>> Yes, I did. You knew that. Um, but I
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liked your figning shock.
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>> The funny thing is I wasn't even
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figning. I just forgot that it was two
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parts. You know, it's the Diet Coke. Um,
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it's the aspartame, you know. But we're
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going to be talking about a pretty
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gnarly case. Uh it's one that he's a
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bigger name, Richard Speck.
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>> You might have heard of him.
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>> Yep.
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>> Uh you might remember he was in Mind
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Hunter.
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>> Yep. Yep. Yep. Like they showed like
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portrayed him in Mind Hunter.
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>> Um I believe he's the one that like
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kills the bird.
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>> I think in Mind Hunter during their
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interview he like Is that the first sec?
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I was going to say is it the first
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second or the second?
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>> The first second. It's the first one. I
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believe.
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>> Why don't I remember that?
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>> Uh it's when they're interviewing a lot
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of the serial killers. I think he's the
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one who kills the bird and it made me
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upset. What a douchebag.
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>> Um it's very him though. Uh and he's
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also uh so ugly. Um that's he's very
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ugly.
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>> I love who you are.
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>> He's I mean that's pretty I think like
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across the board we can all agree. I I
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think I'm not alone on this island. Uh
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he's ugly inside. He's ugly outside.
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He's ugly all around.
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>> His aura is ugly.
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>> Yeah, he's disgusting. disgusting.
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>> And this is
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>> Nicholas would say the disgusting.
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Nicholas would yell that right now.
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>> Uh but this is also known as the student
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nurse murders.
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>> Um this this case is super gruesome.
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It's brutal and it's also [ __ ]
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shocking.
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>> Really?
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>> He
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contained and murdered
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so many women at once. It is like I
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still and and we'll get into it, but the
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investigators in this case were like
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there had to have been more killers.
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Like there's no way one person did all
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this. And I don't blame them. Sometimes
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they do though. Like sometimes one
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person is capable of the craziest [ __ ]
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>> But honestly, I haven't. This is one of
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a kind.
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>> So, do you think he possibly wasn't
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working solo?
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>> Oh, no. He He was. It's just this is
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that he was able to do it. This isn't
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one of those where it's like, oh yeah,
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some people that that happens before.
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This does not like when you hear how it
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happens, you're like, how did that
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happen, though?
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>> I don't know any of the details of this.
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I know the name and I know like the
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overview, but not any details.
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>> Horrifying. It's a horrifying case. It
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really is. So, we're going to go to
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10:30 p.m. on the night of July 13th,
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1966 in Chicago is where we are. Uh Kora
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Amaroe had just drifted off to sleep
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when she heard a knock at the front door
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of the townhouse that she was sharing
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with eight other young women and it was
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in the Jeffrey Manor neighborhood on
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Chicago Southside. Uh all nine students
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were in the nearby South Chicago
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community hospital nursing program and
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the house was kind of like a dorm. It
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you know it almost had like it wasn't a
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sorority but it had that like vibe to
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it. There was even like a house mother
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who lived in like an adjacent townhouse.
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Um, and many of these students, like
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Kora, had come from other parts of the
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country or the world. They were from
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everywhere.
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>> Now, thinking it might be one of her
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roommates who'd forgotten their keys,
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Kora, of course, gets up to let them in.
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>> And she started to open the door and she
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said that the person on the other side
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started pushing it open like forcibly
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>> and it didn't feel like one of her
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friends like who would just, you know,
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like help open the door kind of thing.
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This was like with force. So she finally
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the door swings open because she's kind
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of like taken off guard by it and it was
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not one of her roommates. It was a young
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man that she never seen before. No thank
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you. So Kora told a jury the next year,
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"I saw a man standing in the center of
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our door holding a gun in his right hand
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pointing it towards me."
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>> [ __ ]
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>> She just woke up from this.
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>> Yeah. And just like thought she was
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getting the door for one of her friends.
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>> Yeah. She said, "I noticed marks on his
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face, the dark clothes, his hair
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blondish, combed over in the back." Kora
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stared at who this was trying to figure
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out what the [ __ ] is going on. And she
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said it felt like several minutes, but
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then she was just like shaken out of her
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shock by him saying, "Where are your
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companions?" And he grabbed her by the
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arm.
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>> Ew, what? And she's like, "What the
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fuck?" And by then, the five other women
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who were in the house at the time heard
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all of this commotion and had come out
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to see what was going on. And as soon as
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they saw the gun, Kora and two of her
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roommates, Merita Gardulo and Valentina
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Pacion, ran into one of the closets in
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an attempt to just hide from him because
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they didn't know what the [ __ ] else to
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do.
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>> I mean, what do you do?
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>> So, for 5 minutes, they tried to hold
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the door closed from the inside. All of
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them holding the door knob to keep it
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from turning as he's trying to open the
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door.
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>> Oh, that's chilling. Now, ultimately,
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what's even scarier is it wasn't the
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this man who convinced them to come out,
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but one of the other girls in the house.
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One of the other girls said, "You come
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out of the closet and he's not going to
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harm you
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>> because they were believing or at least
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hoping that if you just come out and
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listen to what he says, he's not going
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to hurt us." That's what he's saying.
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And that's what he kept telling them.
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I'm not going to hurt you. Just listen
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to what I say and you'll be fine. It's
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>> like, then why the are you here, bro? So
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they come out of the closet to find this
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man pointing his gun in their direction.
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He's now rounded up all six women.
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There's six women.
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>> And the man instructed him to them all
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to go into the nearby bedroom and sit on
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the floor. And in a super calm and even
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voice, he explained he just needed money
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to get to New Orleans. And if they would
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just give him whatever money they had,
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he would leave and no one would get
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hurt.
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>> Okay.
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>> Now, if someone says that, you're going
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to be like, "Okay, take all that. We'll
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just listen. Take whatever the [ __ ] you
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want. I don't even see you like well I
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whatever
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>> didn't even hear your voice.
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>> So to Kora and two of her roommates who
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had also come from the Philippines to
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study in the US um that was Merita and
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Valentina
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the insistence that all he wanted was
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money seemed disingenuous to them.
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>> Yeah.
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>> They said they were like clocking him a
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little bit. They had they said they had
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all known men like him back home or at
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least heard about these kind of men. men
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who would like promise that you'll be
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fine just to convince you that you're
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safe only to turn on you without
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warning.
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>> Oh man.
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>> They all watched in complete terror as
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he began stripping the bed sheets with a
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large hunting knife that he pulled from
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a sheath on his belt.
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>> What the [ __ ]
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>> Using the strips, he started binding
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them at the hands and ankles. So that
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would immediately be like, "No, you
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don't need to bind me if you're just
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trying to get money."
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So, while the man was occupied doing
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this, Kora and the others are whispering
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to each other. Kora and the other two
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students that were born internationally,
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they all decided they were like, "Let's
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rush this [ __ ] and knock him
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down.
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>> Let's go."
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>> Like, what do we like? There's more of
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us than there is of him.
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>> Right. Right.
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>> And it's like, yeah, sure. Like, one or
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two of us might get hurt in the process,
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but there's no way he can control all
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five or six of us at once.
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>> Get hurt or God knows it's going to
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happen here. And it was pretty
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reasonable and one that probably would
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have worked I think if they could have
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but also the so the what happened was
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the other girls insisted that they
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should just do what he said and he'll
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leave which you can understand
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>> I can't fathom being in this so I'm not
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going to sit here and say well in this
00:14:41
situation I would do this go [ __ ] myself
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I'm not going to say that like are you
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kidding me like go shut up I hate never
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have I ever heard somebody tell
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themselves
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myself. Like that's I I'm not going to
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sit here and be like, "Yeah, well I
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would have rushed." Like, "No, I don't
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know what the [ __ ] I would have done in
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this situation."
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>> This sounds [ __ ] terrible. And it's
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like, so you can see both sides like
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what like
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>> Kora I and her friends, I can understand
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that they were like, "Let's rush this
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[ __ ] cuz I want to believe that
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I also would have thought that."
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>> But at the same time, you might be
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frozen with terror. You're [ __ ]
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terrified.
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>> I've never been in this position before.
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So, it's like if he's telling you, "I
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just want to go to New Orleans. I need
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money. You guys have money. Just give me
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the money and I'll leave."
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>> I can understand why they were sitting
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there going, "Okay, maybe if we just do
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what he says, he'll just leave." And
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like,
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>> but I'd also be like, "Why is he tying
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us up?" Like, that would be a question
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on my mind.
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>> And why did he come with a hunting knife
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and a gun?
00:15:39
>> Exactly. That's a little scary. You
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could say like intimidation. He's just
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trying to intimidate us into not rushing
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him.
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>> Well, you're also just not going through
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all the possibilities like necessarily
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right then in there.
00:16:02
So once this guy had tied the hands and
00:16:03
ankles of all six women, he untied one
00:16:06
of the women, Pamela Wilining, and he
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led her out of the room into the living
00:16:10
room. From their spot and on the bedroom
00:16:14
floor, the other girls could hear him
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demand that Pamela remove her clothes.
00:16:18
>> Oh no. And they could also hear as he
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sexually assaulted her.
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>> Oh, that's awful.
00:16:23
>> Then something
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very unexpected happened. In the middle
00:16:27
of his assault on Pamela, he was
00:16:30
interrupted by the arrival of another
00:16:32
roommate, Gloria Davyy, who he quickly
00:16:35
subdued and led into the bedroom with
00:16:38
the rest of them where he tied her
00:16:39
ankles and wrists just like the others.
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>> Okay.
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>> So, he is just in the middle. He was
00:16:44
interrupted and managed to get her into
00:16:45
a room as well.
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>> Yeah.
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The scene repeated itself 20 minutes
00:16:50
later when two remaining roommates,
00:16:53
Suzanne Ferris and Maryanne Jordan,
00:16:55
returned as well. Oh my god. So,
00:16:58
thinking quickly, he brandished his gun
00:16:59
and forced them into the bedroom off the
00:17:01
living room as well.
00:17:02
>> I can't imagine one experiencing this
00:17:04
from the very like start and then two,
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walking into this scenario.
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>> Yeah. Like, and you just can't even like
00:17:12
fathom it. You're like, what? Like, how
00:17:14
did this happen? how your life changes
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in a split second like that. Like who's
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like those two girls are probably coming
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from class or shopping or running
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errands and it's coming home.
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>> You're just coming home for the night
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and you think your day is ending and
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this [ __ ] is in your house doing
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this.
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>> Like that's so scary. You should all
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know now that none of the victims in the
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other room survive except one.
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>> Oh man,
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>> there's one survivor to this one.
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>> That's unreal. So, it's impossible to
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know exactly how things unfolded in that
00:17:46
room. We can rely on Kora, her
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testimony, because she is the one that
00:17:51
survives. Yeah.
00:17:52
>> Um, in the coroner's report to piece
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together, you know, a little bit of an
00:17:57
accurate picture of what happened in
00:17:58
there. But from the bedroom, the other
00:18:00
woman could only just sit there and
00:18:02
listen as he just unchathed his knife
00:18:05
and drove it into Pamela Wilining's
00:18:07
chest, killing her almost immediately
00:18:10
because it severed her pulmonary artery.
00:18:12
Oh wow.
00:18:14
>> And that they're just tied up listening
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to this.
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>> Uhhuh.
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>> And once Pamela was dead, there was no
00:18:20
turning back. This guy is now a killer
00:18:22
and now he has to get rid of witnesses.
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>> Yeah.
00:18:25
>> So the man returns to the bedroom where
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he locked all of the roommates.
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and he took them from the room one by
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one and killed them just like first it
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was Suzanne Ferris who he stabbed at
00:18:38
least 18 times before strangling her to
00:18:41
death.
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Then it was Maryanne Jordan who he
00:18:44
stabbed multiple times including once in
00:18:47
the left eye.
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According to the coroner, her cause of
00:18:51
death was from a stab wound directly to
00:18:53
her heart. But the coroner couldn't tell
00:18:56
when the fatal wound was administered.
00:18:58
So she could have been alive when she
00:19:00
was stabbed in the eye.
00:19:01
>> That's awful to think about.
00:19:03
>> Yeah. And finally, he killed Nah
00:19:05
Sheamala, who he stabbed three times in
00:19:09
the neck before ultimately strangling
00:19:11
her to death.
00:19:13
>> It's crazy that he's also switching off
00:19:15
between stabbing and strangling them.
00:19:17
And that he has the
00:19:19
>> like not I don't want to say strength,
00:19:21
but like the wherewithal to be able to
00:19:24
do that many times over.
00:19:27
>> The stamina. Exactly.
00:19:28
>> Yeah. And it's also he's choosing two
00:19:31
very intimate ways to kill someone.
00:19:33
>> Yeah.
00:19:33
>> And he has a gun.
00:19:35
>> Yeah.
00:19:35
>> And it's like
00:19:37
>> I guess he just brought that to get them
00:19:38
like
00:19:39
>> to do what he said.
00:19:40
>> And just think about it from the other
00:19:42
room. They're all just listening
00:19:43
helplessly as their friends are murdered
00:19:45
one by one and knowing that they're
00:19:47
next. Yeah.
00:19:48
>> And just going to come in and get you.
00:19:49
>> Not knowing exactly who is going to be
00:19:51
next.
00:19:52
>> Are you next or eventually I'm being led
00:19:54
out there to die?
00:19:55
>> Yeah. because I'm bound and I can't help
00:19:57
myself.
00:19:58
>> What are you gonna do?
00:19:58
>> Like many months after this, Kora would
00:20:01
tell the investigators from the district
00:20:03
attorney's office that despite the
00:20:05
absolute [ __ ] horror show that was
00:20:07
happening out there, she said there were
00:20:09
no screams, no sounds of violence. In
00:20:12
fact, Kora recalled that if she didn't
00:20:14
know otherwise, she never would have
00:20:16
expected her roommates were being
00:20:18
systematically and brutally killed just
00:20:20
feet from where she was.
00:20:22
>> That's it. Eerie silence. How? Because a
00:20:26
lot of the times he was stabbing them in
00:20:29
like the neck and [ __ ] so that like
00:20:32
>> it only sank in when after killing the
00:20:34
first three women, this man now [ __ ]
00:20:38
covered in blood came back to the
00:20:40
bedroom where he'd left the others and
00:20:41
started bringing them into the room as
00:20:43
well. So now they're seeing this man
00:20:45
come back covered in more and more blood
00:20:47
each time.
00:20:48
>> Yeah. That's a nightmare.
00:20:49
>> Like that you can't make that [ __ ] up.
00:20:51
>> Yeah. First was Valentina Pacion who was
00:20:55
stabbed in the neck. She was followed by
00:20:58
Merita Gargulo who was also stabbed in
00:21:00
the neck before being strangled.
00:21:03
Then he came for Patricia Matusk who
00:21:05
died of strangulation but not before.
00:21:07
And this is [ __ ] terrible. Before so
00:21:10
she died of strangulation but not before
00:21:12
she was kicked in the stomach so hard
00:21:15
that her stomach began to hemorrhage.
00:21:17
>> What?
00:21:18
>> Yeah. Do you know how hard you have to
00:21:20
kick someone in the [ __ ] stomach to
00:21:21
do that? can only imagine.
00:21:23
>> It was during one of these times that Ka
00:21:26
thinking quickly managed to stuff
00:21:28
herself as far back under one of the
00:21:30
beds as she could, hoping that he
00:21:33
wouldn't detect that she was gone. Like
00:21:35
maybe he didn't count or something,
00:21:36
>> right?
00:21:37
>> And in fact, when he returned, he seemed
00:21:39
so singularly focused and in like a
00:21:41
rampage state, like he seemed like a
00:21:43
[ __ ] animal at this point, that he
00:21:45
didn't notice that one of the six
00:21:47
original women was now missing from the
00:21:49
room. That's
00:21:51
wow.
00:21:53
>> Imagine how you would feel in that
00:21:54
moment
00:21:55
>> realizing like, okay, I got away with
00:21:57
this, but also exactly what you're about
00:22:00
to say. How long did she sit there?
00:22:02
>> So, well, first he grabs Gloria Davey by
00:22:04
the arm and drags her away.
00:22:06
>> And when the bodies were discovered,
00:22:08
Gloria was the only one who hadn't
00:22:10
suffered any stab wounds. Her cause of
00:22:12
death was listed as strangulation. So
00:22:14
maybe I don't I would say like maybe he
00:22:16
was exhausted by this point, but
00:22:18
strangulation takes more strength than
00:22:20
stabbing does, I don't think.
00:22:21
>> Yeah, maybe he just that's what he
00:22:22
decided on.
00:22:23
>> Yeah. Now from her hiding spot under the
00:22:26
bed, Cora just lay there [ __ ]
00:22:28
terrified. Every muscle is tensing in
00:22:31
her body as she's listening to him now
00:22:33
in a total [ __ ] anim animalistic
00:22:36
frenzy, rumaging around the townhouse
00:22:39
looking for valuables and cash, like
00:22:41
just ripping [ __ ] apart. And she's just
00:22:43
sitting there being like, "Is he gonna
00:22:45
look under the bed next?" Right.
00:22:46
Exactly. Realize
00:22:47
>> she wouldn't remember precisely when he
00:22:50
left the house. But they think it wasn't
00:22:52
very long after midnight. And once he
00:22:54
thought everyone in the house was dead,
00:22:56
that's when he left apparently. Like he
00:22:58
he thought he had gotten everyone. He
00:22:59
got everything he could out of there.
00:23:01
But still, Ka was so [ __ ] terrified
00:23:03
that she still didn't make a sound and
00:23:05
she didn't move from her spot under the
00:23:07
bed. So, she stayed silently pressed up
00:23:10
against the wall under the bed, bound
00:23:13
until 5:00 a.m.
00:23:14
>> Wow.
00:23:15
>> This was not even midnight essentially.
00:23:18
>> So, like hours and hours and hours.
00:23:20
>> And she said she was literally sitting
00:23:22
there just staring straight ahead, dead
00:23:24
silent, just in a state of terror for
00:23:27
hours.
00:23:27
>> She had to have been in shock.
00:23:28
>> And then the alarm clock starts going
00:23:30
off at 5:00 a.m. because that's when the
00:23:32
nurses would have started their day.
00:23:34
>> Mhm. Imagine how jarring that sound must
00:23:36
have been. in that house
00:23:38
>> in the silence of that house. That alarm
00:23:40
going off to start the day. Now, she's
00:23:43
terrified that the man is still in the
00:23:45
house at this point. She doesn't know.
00:23:47
She didn't hear him leave. She doesn't
00:23:48
know what's going on. So, she still lays
00:23:50
there completely still for another hour
00:23:52
before crawling out from under the bed
00:23:54
>> and just listening to that alarm go off
00:23:56
over and
00:23:56
>> she said this was the such a scary part
00:24:00
because she said it was like eerie
00:24:01
silence when usually in the morning when
00:24:03
that alarm goes off, she's like, "It's
00:24:06
laughter. It's us talking about our day.
00:24:08
It's us getting ready. It's showers
00:24:10
starting. It's makeup being done. It's
00:24:12
hair stuff being like,
00:24:13
>> and it was just dead silent.
00:24:15
>> So sad.
00:24:16
>> And she said, but nothing could have
00:24:18
prepared her for what she saw when she
00:24:21
walked out of that room. And she said
00:24:24
she crept slowly down the hall towards
00:24:26
her own bedroom at the front of the
00:24:27
house. And she said every single place
00:24:31
she looked, it was just horror. It was
00:24:33
just blood. It was horror. And she said
00:24:36
scattered throughout the entire house
00:24:38
were the bodies of her roommates.
00:24:39
Mutilated, motionless, just everywhere.
00:24:42
>> Oh my god.
00:24:43
>> And this isn't like no matter you come
00:24:45
out of the room and you see one murdered
00:24:49
person
00:24:50
>> that's going to change you forever.
00:24:51
>> I can't even fathom that.
00:24:53
>> Seeing this many
00:24:54
>> and these are all your friends.
00:24:56
>> Like multiple multiple friends brutally
00:24:59
mutilated out there
00:25:00
>> and you're the sole survivor.
00:25:02
>> You can't even fathom that. You can't
00:25:04
even write that. You can't.
00:25:06
>> That's I was just going to say it's
00:25:07
something that you would see in a movie.
00:25:09
>> Cora did her best to just look straight
00:25:11
ahead down the hall. She was just
00:25:12
focused on her bedroom door and finally
00:25:14
she gets in there and closes her door
00:25:16
behind her. And then she ran to the open
00:25:18
window and pushed the screen out into
00:25:20
the ground below. And she climbs out the
00:25:23
window, crawled onto a twoft ledge about
00:25:25
10 ft off the ground. And she said she
00:25:28
was cowering there because she was
00:25:30
scared to yell. So she said she finally
00:25:33
broke her silence and screamed, "Help
00:25:34
me! Help me! Everyone is dead. I am the
00:25:37
only one alive on the samp." Now a samp
00:25:41
is a kind of flatbottomed boat that's
00:25:43
common in East and Southeast Asia. So in
00:25:46
her mind, in her shock and trauma, she
00:25:49
was back in the Philippines fleeing one
00:25:51
of the violent insurrections that
00:25:53
ironically had caused her to seek a
00:25:55
better life in the United States in the
00:25:57
first place. Oh my god. So she was like
00:26:00
fully transported back to like literal
00:26:03
like war and insurrection.
00:26:05
>> What your brain and your body does in in
00:26:08
times of stress and times of just like I
00:26:10
don't even know what to there's no words
00:26:12
to describe this situation. It's
00:26:14
remarkable what your brain does.
00:26:16
>> I'm the only one alive on the samp like
00:26:18
she fully was like that.
00:26:21
>> That's where I am horrifying. And just
00:26:23
for her to even be scared to yell.
00:26:26
>> Mhm.
00:26:26
>> Like which everyone's been in like a
00:26:29
situation where they don't want to make
00:26:30
any noise and like you think about it
00:26:32
and you're like, "Oh my god, I'd be
00:26:33
scared to scream right now." You know
00:26:34
what I mean? Like think it or like
00:26:35
watching a movie and being like, "I
00:26:36
don't think I could yell in that
00:26:38
situation cuz I'd be so scared."
00:26:40
>> This is one of those
00:26:41
>> to actually be faced with it though.
00:26:43
>> That's the thing.
00:26:44
>> Now, a few houses away, Betty Windmiller
00:26:47
was standing out on her back porch and
00:26:49
she heard Kora's cries for help. So
00:26:51
Betty ran around the front of her house
00:26:53
and ran directly into her neighbor,
00:26:54
Robert Hall, who was out walking the
00:26:56
dog. And the two ran down the street in
00:26:58
the direction of the screaming and found
00:27:00
Kora perched on the ledge outside her
00:27:03
second story window.
00:27:04
>> What a sight.
00:27:04
>> And she kept repeating over and over,
00:27:06
"My friends are all dead. All dead. All
00:27:08
dead." And she just kept yelling it. And
00:27:11
by then, others had come out of their
00:27:12
houses to see what was happening. And
00:27:14
they came over to try to help calm Kora
00:27:16
while Miller and Hall called for the
00:27:18
police. Mhm.
00:27:19
>> Now, just by chance, a patrol car was
00:27:22
driving through the neighborhood around
00:27:23
the time Corora's neighbors placed the
00:27:25
call. So, there I know it happens a lot.
00:27:28
>> Now, searching around the outside of the
00:27:30
house, officer Daniel Kelly found the
00:27:31
back door of the house unlocked with one
00:27:33
of the screen panels on the door having
00:27:35
been pushed out. Inside, Kelly
00:27:38
discovered exactly what had driven Kora
00:27:40
to be hanging out on a ledge on her
00:27:43
second story. In the living room, Kelly
00:27:45
found Gloria Davis's nude body face down
00:27:48
on the couch. Oh.
00:27:49
>> So, also, he had definitely sexually
00:27:51
assaulted more of these women.
00:27:53
>> Yeah.
00:27:54
>> Uh, he recognized her immediately as the
00:27:56
sister of his former girlfriend.
00:27:58
>> Oh my god.
00:28:01
>> Which must have been
00:28:03
>> That's next [ __ ] Yeah.
00:28:05
>> And still he just had to keep his job,
00:28:08
man. Now the rest of the horror awaited
00:28:11
him on the second floor. Just outside
00:28:13
the doorway to Corora's room, Maryanne
00:28:15
Jordan's body lay on the floor. A
00:28:18
vicious knife wound very visible on her
00:28:21
chest. Right next to Maryanne was the
00:28:23
body of Suzanne Ferris. Her clothing was
00:28:26
torn like whoever killed her had tried
00:28:28
to remove it by cutting it away with a
00:28:30
knife. It was like it was like sheared
00:28:32
away.
00:28:32
>> Yeah.
00:28:33
>> There were several slashes and stab
00:28:35
injuries visible visible on her neck,
00:28:37
face, and back.
00:28:38
In a nearby room, Pamela Wilining's body
00:28:41
lay on the floor. A long strip of fabric
00:28:43
was still tied tightly around her neck.
00:28:46
In the other bedroom at the front of the
00:28:48
house, he found the body of Valentina
00:28:51
lying across the body of her friend
00:28:52
Merita. Both had been stabbed repeatedly
00:28:56
and were there were dark marks on
00:28:57
Merita's neck indicating that she had
00:28:59
been strangled and she was literally
00:29:01
lying across the body of her friend.
00:29:03
That's just
00:29:04
>> so either like she tried to crawl away
00:29:07
or he placed her there,
00:29:09
>> which both are horrifying.
00:29:12
>> Yeah.
00:29:13
>> Now, Nina Shamala's body was on the bed
00:29:15
and she also had been stabbed repeatedly
00:29:18
and strangled. And Kelly found the body
00:29:20
of Patricia Matusk on the floor in the
00:29:23
bathroom with large dark abrasions on
00:29:25
her neck. With the exception of Gloria
00:29:28
Davyy and Maryanne Jordan, all the
00:29:30
victims were still bound around the
00:29:32
wrists and ankles,
00:29:33
>> which take take that what you will.
00:29:36
Yeah.
00:29:37
>> Uh by the time he'd found the last body,
00:29:39
Daniel Kelly had already called for
00:29:40
backup and a full forensic team.
00:29:43
>> He told the dispatcher what he
00:29:44
discovered there, but none of them, not
00:29:46
even the most hardened senior homicide
00:29:48
detectives at this point, were at all
00:29:50
ready for what they were going to find
00:29:52
there.
00:29:52
>> I don't know how you would ever begin to
00:29:54
prepare yourself to walk into something
00:29:55
like Nobody was walking in here being
00:29:57
like, "Oh, you know, typical day on
00:29:58
homicide." Like, they were like, "What
00:30:00
the fuck?"
00:30:01
>> No.
00:30:02
>> Now, when homicide detectives arrived
00:30:03
there a short time later, they were
00:30:05
greeted by a big throng of of reporters
00:30:08
who'd beaten them to the crime scene.
00:30:10
>> Nice.
00:30:10
>> And all of them, police and reporters
00:30:12
alike, were
00:30:14
>> traumatized by what they had seen. In an
00:30:16
article describing his experience, Daily
00:30:18
Calamit reporter Tom Hollitz wrote, "I
00:30:21
entered the residence of the eight slain
00:30:23
student nurses. It was silent. There
00:30:25
were other newsmen milling about in the
00:30:27
back bedroom. I walked in and saw that
00:30:29
the broom had been torn up. Women's
00:30:31
undergarments, prayer books, and
00:30:32
assorted coins were on the floor. I
00:30:35
walked into the front bedroom. It was
00:30:36
then that I wanted to vomit, but held
00:30:38
back. There was blood everywhere. I just
00:30:40
stared.
00:30:42
Now, the officers on the scene were
00:30:44
equally shaken by what they saw that
00:30:46
day. Commander um Edward Shehy told a
00:30:48
reporter, "I've seen bodies before. I
00:30:51
don't know why I'm upset. I'm shaking."
00:30:53
Like I think even he was like I usually
00:30:55
I can handle this but like I'm [ __ ]
00:30:57
up.
00:30:58
>> Like the other officials at the scene um
00:31:00
Edward Shei he had little to tell the
00:31:02
press at this time other than say it was
00:31:04
a massacre.
00:31:05
>> Yeah. Like it's a nightmare.
00:31:06
>> He's like I don't have anything else to
00:31:07
say to you. This is [ __ ] terrible.
00:31:09
Now because of the scale of the carnage
00:31:12
here, investigators immediately assume
00:31:14
that the murders were definitely done by
00:31:17
more than one person. Like there's just
00:31:20
the scale of the carnage, the amount of
00:31:22
women that were killed,
00:31:23
>> right?
00:31:24
>> And like this small area, no one would
00:31:26
think this was one person. Not one.
00:31:28
>> That makes perfect sense.
00:31:30
>> Um it seemed completely impossible that
00:31:32
a single person could control nine
00:31:33
adults.
00:31:34
>> Yeah.
00:31:35
>> Long enough to murder each of them. Like
00:31:37
that's wild.
00:31:39
>> Yeah. Now, at a glance, it was clear to
00:31:41
detectives that whether it was one man
00:31:43
or 10, the killer or killers had at some
00:31:46
point clearly escalated to the point of
00:31:48
absolute [ __ ] frenzy.
00:31:50
>> Yeah.
00:31:51
>> The bedroom where the original six women
00:31:53
had been held was completely trashed.
00:31:56
Belongings, clothing, other items just
00:31:58
thrown around the room, like ripped up,
00:32:00
just frenzy.
00:32:02
>> Just picturing somebody lose control
00:32:04
like that is so scary. And Cora was
00:32:06
under a bed during this. Yes, she heard
00:32:08
everything start to finish. Everything.
00:32:11
>> Everything. Purses were pocketbooks were
00:32:14
turned upside down. Their contents was
00:32:16
everywhere all over the floor. Any cash
00:32:18
or valuables was stolen. Uh despite the
00:32:21
chaotic state of the house, there was
00:32:22
also little physical evidence actually
00:32:24
to be found anywhere that would help
00:32:26
them.
00:32:26
>> That's crazy.
00:32:27
>> As far as investigators could tell,
00:32:29
everything that had been tossed around
00:32:30
the bedrooms belonged to the eight women
00:32:33
who lived there.
00:32:34
>> Mhm. and told them nothing about the
00:32:36
killer or killers.
00:32:38
>> There was, however, one item discovered
00:32:40
that probably didn't belong there. It
00:32:43
was on a desk in the living room. They
00:32:45
found a man's white t-shirt that was
00:32:47
sweat stained.
00:32:48
>> Gross.
00:32:49
>> But curiously, very free of any blood
00:32:52
stains.
00:32:53
>> Oh,
00:32:54
>> yeah.
00:32:55
So, I don't know.
00:32:56
>> Yeah, that's weird.
00:32:57
>> Uh, but you just like leave a shirt
00:32:59
there.
00:32:59
>> You just left a shirt there. Elsewhere
00:33:00
in the house, they collected more than
00:33:02
30 fingerprints from the walls. the
00:33:04
furniture, personal items, and the
00:33:06
bodies themselves. Outside on the front
00:33:08
lawn, they discovered tire tracks from a
00:33:10
car that appeared to have sped away from
00:33:12
the scene.
00:33:13
>> Um, otherwise, there was really little
00:33:14
to be found that could explain what the
00:33:17
[ __ ] happened there the previous night
00:33:19
and especially not tell them who did it.
00:33:21
>> Now, the best lead detectives had, it
00:33:23
seemed, was their only surviving
00:33:25
witness, Kora. she had been in the house
00:33:27
when the whole thing happened and could
00:33:29
presumably describe the killers and
00:33:32
hopefully give some like crucial details
00:33:34
that they needed to try to get any kind
00:33:36
of lead.
00:33:36
>> But also, who remember who who would
00:33:38
even remember like exactly what he
00:33:40
looked like after all that?
00:33:42
>> That's well by that time Ka had been
00:33:44
safely rescued from the second floor
00:33:46
ledge and she was taken to South Chicago
00:33:48
Community Hospital, the same hospital
00:33:50
where she and two of the others worked.
00:33:53
Um, having learned of the murders, the
00:33:55
hospital staff sent all the student
00:33:57
nurses home because they didn't want to
00:33:59
them they wanted to spare them the
00:34:01
emotional
00:34:02
chaos of seeing their classmates bodies.
00:34:05
>> Yeah, of course.
00:34:06
>> Um, a few did choose to stay though
00:34:08
because they wanted to be of some help.
00:34:10
>> That's sweet.
00:34:10
>> So, when investigators were finally able
00:34:13
to sit down with Ka that morning, they
00:34:15
quickly realized that she was very much
00:34:17
in a state of shock and far too
00:34:19
traumatized to be of any help.
00:34:20
>> Yeah. For two hours though, they tried
00:34:23
to act this absolutely devastated
00:34:25
student nurse
00:34:27
anything about what had happened that
00:34:29
night, which like
00:34:29
>> two hours, which like you have to try, I
00:34:33
guess, but it's like
00:34:33
>> you have to try for 2 hours.
00:34:35
>> Well, that's the thing. If you don't if
00:34:37
you don't get anything hour one, it's
00:34:39
safe to say you're probably not going to
00:34:40
get anything hour one. It's like give
00:34:42
her give her some time to you know and
00:34:44
>> it's like I get it you know like
00:34:46
everybody has a job to do but
00:34:47
>> and that you want to get fresh and you
00:34:51
don't want something
00:34:52
>> gosh forbid that she just forgets
00:34:55
>> yeah any of the crucial information
00:34:59
>> but if she responded which sometimes she
00:35:02
didn't respond at all she was just kind
00:35:03
of catacomb
00:35:05
>> um all they got was like a you know sto
00:35:07
short strings of sentences mostly in her
00:35:09
native language was this uh to galig so
00:35:12
they couldn't understand. Anyways,
00:35:14
>> ultimately she had to be sedated and it
00:35:16
was several hours before they could even
00:35:18
speak to her again, which like I get
00:35:20
>> that poor girl.
00:35:21
>> Yeah. So, while they're waiting to talk
00:35:23
to Kora, they started canvasing the
00:35:25
neighborhood just hoping that someone
00:35:26
saw something. Unfortunately, as Kora
00:35:29
would later tell the jury, the murders
00:35:31
and the ransacking of the townhouse were
00:35:33
surprisingly quiet for such a brutal
00:35:35
crime. None of the neighbors heard
00:35:38
anything. What? Nothing. But I mean,
00:35:42
even like she later said how quiet it
00:35:44
was while he was taking everybody.
00:35:46
>> Oh, yeah. She said it was like shocking.
00:35:47
>> So, one neighbor a few doors down
00:35:50
thought she saw a car parked in front of
00:35:52
the nurse's house when she arrived home
00:35:53
at 3:00 a.m., but she couldn't be sure.
00:35:55
>> Also, can you imagine looking back and
00:35:57
thinking how you spent your night when
00:35:59
that was happening, like, however many
00:36:01
doors down.
00:36:01
>> Like, you're sitting there being like, I
00:36:03
was watching a movie or like I was
00:36:05
taking a shower.
00:36:06
>> That would be such an out-of body
00:36:08
experience.
00:36:08
>> It would. It would [ __ ] me up. you that
00:36:09
would absolutely
00:36:10
>> like I'm just living my life completely
00:36:12
oblivious to the absolute hor and to the
00:36:15
fact that like people needed help
00:36:17
>> and I couldn't help them cuz I didn't
00:36:18
even know they needed help. Like that
00:36:20
would really throw me for a loop.
00:36:35
Another neighbor told police that there
00:36:37
was a quote strange collar at her door
00:36:39
the day before, but no one else had any
00:36:41
similar experience to that.
00:36:42
>> That's weird.
00:36:43
>> Even the house mother, who lived in an
00:36:45
adjacent townhouse and was awake at the
00:36:48
time, said she didn't recall anything
00:36:50
out of the ordinary that night.
00:36:51
>> Wow.
00:36:51
>> Yeah,
00:36:52
>> that's crazy.
00:36:53
>> Yeah. Now, by that afternoon, more than
00:36:55
150 officers were assigned to the case,
00:36:57
pulling from officers from the robbery
00:36:59
and homicide squads in addition to a lot
00:37:02
of the beat cops that they could get. By
00:37:04
early evening, Ka had started to come
00:37:06
out of her sedation and was finally able
00:37:08
to speak to detectives. To their
00:37:10
incredible surprise, the murders were
00:37:12
committed by a single man. She was like,
00:37:15
"Nope, there was no one else in that
00:37:16
house."
00:37:17
>> Uh, Cora described him as being about 25
00:37:20
years old.
00:37:20
>> What the [ __ ] 6 feet tall and weighing
00:37:23
about 170 lbs. Now, despite her trauma
00:37:26
and shock, she walked detectives through
00:37:28
everything that had happened as best as
00:37:30
she could remember from the moment she
00:37:32
woke up to the knock on the door to the
00:37:34
following morning when she came out from
00:37:36
under the bed after hearing the alarm
00:37:37
clock. Uh, she said, "I thought if the
00:37:39
man was still in the house that would
00:37:41
that would scare him off, but I wasn't
00:37:42
sure if he had left. I waited and when I
00:37:45
didn't hear anything after a while, I
00:37:46
crawled out. When she was asked if she
00:37:49
could pick him out of a lineup, she
00:37:51
said, "I would recognize him. I would
00:37:53
know if I saw him again." Which he has a
00:37:55
very distinct face.
00:37:56
>> He does.
00:37:57
>> He has terrible skin.
00:37:58
>> Yeah.
00:37:59
>> Now, to the press and the public,
00:38:02
investigators expressed confidence in
00:38:04
their ability to catch who was
00:38:05
responsible for these murders. Um, lead
00:38:08
detective Michael Spiato told reporters
00:38:10
during a press conference, "I'm
00:38:12
optimistic about some of the leads we
00:38:13
now have in the case." But the truth was
00:38:16
detectives said very little.
00:38:18
>> Um, other than the description provided
00:38:20
by Kora, which didn't really help
00:38:23
because it kind of described thousands
00:38:25
of young men in Chicago at that time.
00:38:27
>> Yeah.
00:38:27
>> They had no idea where to start.
00:38:29
>> But it's like they can't tell that to
00:38:30
the press because you're going to freak
00:38:31
out. pandemonium. Now, if there was any
00:38:34
place in the United States where social
00:38:36
and cultural changes of the 1960s were
00:38:39
happening in full display right now, it
00:38:41
was Chicago in the summer of 1966.
00:38:44
>> Um, by this summer, it was the
00:38:47
turbulence of the national debate over
00:38:49
civil rights had definitely reached
00:38:51
Chicago. um and a typically pretty chill
00:38:55
Midwestern city after police arrested
00:38:57
the a black man they believed was wanted
00:39:00
for armed robbery. That's when things
00:39:01
really boiled over.
00:39:02
>> Yeah.
00:39:03
>> People were tired of the oppression, the
00:39:05
marginalization, and the abuse that
00:39:07
they' taken from police for decades at
00:39:08
this point. And black residents of
00:39:10
Chicago's west side took to the streets
00:39:12
to protest their poor treatment.
00:39:15
>> For three days between July 12th and
00:39:17
July 15th, the majority of the Chicago
00:39:19
Police Department was deployed to these
00:39:21
protests. Mhm.
00:39:22
>> Um it turned out though that the protest
00:39:24
what was going on which had stretched
00:39:26
the department really thin at this point
00:39:29
also became somewhat of a benefit in the
00:39:31
hunt for this killer
00:39:32
>> really
00:39:33
>> because they were forced to pull
00:39:34
detectives from other departments.
00:39:37
>> So the squad of officers that they got
00:39:39
were made up of men and women from with
00:39:41
a variety of resources and skill sets.
00:39:44
>> Okay, that's really cool actually that
00:39:46
it worked out like that.
00:39:46
>> And what's wild is the most valuable of
00:39:48
these turned out to be the robbery
00:39:50
squad. really
00:39:51
>> because robberies are hyper local crimes
00:39:54
that typically involve the selling of
00:39:55
stolen goods.
00:39:56
>> Yeah.
00:39:57
>> Robbery detectives because of that
00:39:59
develop a network of contacts, both
00:40:01
upstanding contacts and criminal
00:40:04
contacts.
00:40:04
>> Okay.
00:40:05
>> They can be relied upon as a source of
00:40:07
information in situations like this.
00:40:09
>> That makes sense. Yeah. So when the
00:40:10
large squad of investigators and
00:40:12
officers spread out across the city, the
00:40:14
detectives naturally engaged their
00:40:16
networks, hitting up their informants,
00:40:18
seeing if anyone heard anything about
00:40:20
the murders. One of the robbery
00:40:22
detectives had a contact who work at
00:40:24
worked at a southside garage known as a
00:40:26
gathering spot for a lot of petty petty
00:40:29
criminals.
00:40:29
>> Okay.
00:40:30
>> And people just like passing through.
00:40:31
>> Yeah.
00:40:32
>> The mechanic didn't know anything about
00:40:33
the murders and hadn't heard anything
00:40:35
from the men who usually hang around the
00:40:37
garage. But when detectives described
00:40:39
the man based on what they'd learned
00:40:40
from Kora, something did sound familiar
00:40:42
to him. A few days earlier, a younger
00:40:45
guy had been hanging around the station
00:40:46
who fit that description. The mechanic
00:40:49
remembered the guy because he was like,
00:40:50
he was so [ __ ] rude and belligerent.
00:40:52
He was an [ __ ] He's like, "I
00:40:54
remember him." According to the
00:40:56
mechanic, the guy had said something
00:40:57
about how he was shipping out or taking
00:40:59
a boat somewhere. He said they'd be able
00:41:01
to pick him out of a crowd because the
00:41:03
tattoo on his left arm read, "Born to
00:41:06
raise hell." Oh god, [ __ ] loose. Get
00:41:09
a grip. The man had even left two of his
00:41:12
bags with the mechanic while he went out
00:41:14
to look for work at the National
00:41:16
Maritime Union, the NMU,
00:41:19
>> uh, around the corner from the station,
00:41:21
and he hadn't come back for them.
00:41:23
>> Oh, so now they have his [ __ ]
00:41:24
>> Yeah. So, the mention of the boat and
00:41:26
the National Maritime Union made the
00:41:28
detectives think back to the crime scene
00:41:30
and to the unusual knots used to bind
00:41:33
the victim's hands and feet. Oh [ __ ]
00:41:36
After hours spent combing the streets
00:41:38
and alleys and hitting up every contact
00:41:40
they could think of, investigators had
00:41:43
finally gotten a break and a potential
00:41:45
suspect.
00:41:46
>> That's a solid lead.
00:41:47
>> Yep. Founded in because those those
00:41:49
knots were maritime knots. Like they
00:41:52
are, you know, those are marine
00:41:54
>> easily identifiable. Um, founded in
00:41:57
1937, the National Maritime Union
00:41:59
functioned as a labor union where
00:42:01
sailors and others with experience on a
00:42:03
boater ship could find work through
00:42:05
assignments that were arranged by the
00:42:07
union.
00:42:07
>> Yeah.
00:42:08
>> Um, having received this tip from the
00:42:10
mechanic, the detectives rushed over to
00:42:12
the union building, but found no one
00:42:14
there who matched the description given
00:42:16
by Kora.
00:42:16
>> Damn it. But when they spoke to the
00:42:18
administrator on duty and gave the
00:42:20
description, the man recalled someone
00:42:22
who'd been in a few days earlier who
00:42:24
matched that description.
00:42:25
>> Okay, everybody is really looking
00:42:27
>> we're working. According to the man at
00:42:29
the NMU, a young man matching their
00:42:31
suspect had been in a few days earlier
00:42:33
and he was looking for work on a boat
00:42:35
headed to New Orleans.
00:42:36
>> Huh.
00:42:37
>> Something the killer had mentioned when
00:42:39
he gathered up the six original victims
00:42:41
in the bedrooms. Now, as luck would have
00:42:44
it, the trash at the NMU still hadn't
00:42:46
been taken out from the previous few
00:42:48
days. And after digging through the
00:42:50
waste paper basket, the administrator
00:42:52
was able to find the crumpled slip of
00:42:54
paper containing the information they
00:42:56
needed. Stop. The slip had sent the man
00:42:59
to a job on a um on a ship called the
00:43:02
Sinclair Great Lakes. But when he
00:43:04
arrived, there was only one bunk
00:43:06
available, and the job had already gone
00:43:08
to another man. The suspect returned to
00:43:11
the NMU in a highly agitated state. He
00:43:13
was pissed off and the administrator
00:43:15
told him if he left his information,
00:43:17
they would do their best to find another
00:43:19
assignment for him. Fortunately for the
00:43:21
detectives, this man wrote his name and
00:43:23
a number where he could be reached on
00:43:25
the slip.
00:43:25
>> No.
00:43:26
>> Suspect's name was Richard B. Spec and
00:43:28
the number was a direct line to his
00:43:30
sister who lived in the city. Hello. So,
00:43:33
let's before we get into the next part,
00:43:36
let's go back to who Richard [ __ ]
00:43:38
Speck is.
00:43:39
>> Yeah, I'm curious.
00:43:40
>> Richard, yeah,
00:43:42
>> Richard Benjamin Speck was born December
00:43:44
6th, 1941, and he was born in Kirkwood,
00:43:47
Illinois.
00:43:47
>> A sagge.
00:43:48
>> He was the seventh of eight children
00:43:50
born to Benjamin and Mary Speck.
00:43:52
>> That is so many children. The family
00:43:54
struggled financially, but they, you
00:43:56
know, they were resourceful and Ben and
00:43:59
Mary Speck managed to support themselves
00:44:01
and their eight children even in the
00:44:02
hardest of times. Through most of his
00:44:05
adult life, Ben Speck was a farmer and a
00:44:08
logger and would sometimes supplement
00:44:10
his income with odd jobs here and there.
00:44:12
>> Okay.
00:44:12
>> Mary Speck spent the bulk of her time
00:44:14
raising all those children.
00:44:16
>> In fact, Richard's six older brothers
00:44:18
and sisters were considerably older than
00:44:20
he and his younger sister, Carolyn. So
00:44:22
Mary had her hands full far longer than
00:44:25
would have other otherwise happened if
00:44:28
she had evenly spaced them.
00:44:29
>> Yeah.
00:44:30
>> Um and when she wasn't wrapped up in
00:44:31
family life, Mary Spec was a devout
00:44:34
Christian who volunteered regularly with
00:44:36
the Presbyterian church.
00:44:37
>> Okay.
00:44:38
>> Unlike most marriages of the day, it was
00:44:41
Mary, not Ben, who ruled over the house
00:44:44
with a dominant personality.
00:44:45
>> Uhoh. Guided by mommy issues by her very
00:44:49
strong religious convictions, she set
00:44:51
standards for how everyone, including
00:44:53
her husband, would behave.
00:44:54
>> Oh, no. Mommy issues and religious
00:44:56
trauma.
00:44:57
>> Yeah. She was not above imposing her
00:44:59
will on everybody whenever it suited
00:45:01
her. This all changed somewhat when
00:45:03
Richard was 6 years old and his father
00:45:05
died from a heart attack at the age of
00:45:07
53.
00:45:08
>> Oh wow, that's so young.
00:45:09
>> Richard had been close with his father
00:45:10
and this hit him pretty hard. He was
00:45:12
only six.
00:45:13
>> Yeah, that's [ __ ] up. But given their
00:45:14
financial circumstances, there was very
00:45:16
little time to grieve this loss. Just
00:45:19
three years later, in 1950, Mary Spec
00:45:21
met and married Carl Lindberg, a man
00:45:23
she'd met um on one of her many train
00:45:26
trips back and forth to Chicago after
00:45:28
Ben's death.
00:45:29
>> Okay.
00:45:29
>> Mary had been instantly charmed by this
00:45:32
insurance salesman.
00:45:34
>> But once they were married, she learned
00:45:35
quickly that he was nothing like Ben.
00:45:38
While Ben was generally kind and
00:45:41
submissive, he just went with the flow.
00:45:43
Yeah,
00:45:43
>> Carl was a quote hardrinking hellraiser.
00:45:46
>> Oh, with a long criminal record of
00:45:49
fraud, forgery, and disorderly conduct.
00:45:51
>> How delightful.
00:45:52
>> He was quick to anger, and he didn't
00:45:54
hesitate to resort to violence if he had
00:45:56
been drinking.
00:45:57
>> Damn, that's like the stepdad way.
00:45:59
>> Yeah, the stepdad from hell.
00:46:00
>> Yeah.
00:46:01
>> Now, following the marriage, Mary moved
00:46:03
to Texas to live with Carl, while
00:46:04
Richard and Carolyn were sent to live
00:46:06
with his oldest sister, Sarah, in
00:46:08
Chicago so he could complete the third
00:46:10
grade. the third grade.
00:46:13
>> Throughout this time, Richard was
00:46:14
remembered as being quote, "a very good
00:46:16
boy who got along well with his peers
00:46:18
and his sister." This all changed though
00:46:20
when the school year came to an end and
00:46:22
Richard and his sister moved to be with
00:46:23
their mother in Texas. And once again,
00:46:25
Carl Lindberg proved to be the
00:46:28
antithesis of Richard's biological
00:46:30
father. Lindberg was physically and
00:46:33
emotionally abusive to Richard and
00:46:36
within a very short period of time, the
00:46:38
effects of that abuse were very
00:46:39
noticeable to his teachers. can [ __ ] a
00:46:41
kid up real easy.
00:46:42
>> Yeah. His eighth grade teacher said he
00:46:44
was sort of sulky, but he didn't talk
00:46:46
back. Over time, he withdrew himself. He
00:46:48
became isolated, failing to make any
00:46:50
friends. Uh his teacher later said he
00:46:53
seemed sort of lost. I don't think I
00:46:54
ever saw him smile. I wasn't able to
00:46:56
teach him anything.
00:46:58
>> Did you try to?
00:46:59
>> Which is just like really sad.
00:47:01
>> In 1957, Speck enrolled in Crosier
00:47:04
Technical School and managed to earn no
00:47:06
credits in his first semester, even
00:47:08
failing gym. [ __ ] how do you fail Jim?
00:47:10
>> Yeah,
00:47:11
>> even I didn't fail Jim.
00:47:12
>> When the next semester started, he
00:47:14
didn't bother to return to school.
00:47:16
Instead, he just started engaging in
00:47:17
criminal behavior and was picked up by
00:47:19
the police very frequently for vandalism
00:47:21
and petty theft, which
00:47:23
>> he didn't have a he really didn't have a
00:47:25
shot. Like, unfortunately, he just did
00:47:27
not have a shot.
00:47:28
>> You feel bad for the kid version.
00:47:30
>> Now, 6 years later, Carl Lindberg
00:47:32
divorced Mary Spec, but as far as
00:47:34
Richard was concerned, the damage had
00:47:35
already been done.
00:47:36
>> I mean, yeah. Uh by then he'd begun
00:47:38
hanging out with an older group of young
00:47:40
men, many of whom had already amassed a
00:47:42
very long criminal history and they all
00:47:44
spent their lives drinking, gambling,
00:47:46
fighting, doing just like dumb [ __ ]
00:47:48
Raise and hail.
00:47:48
>> Raisin hail. He was born to do it. Uh
00:47:51
during this time he started supporting
00:47:52
himself through petty theft, breaking
00:47:54
into homes, stealing whatever valuables
00:47:57
he could find lying around in people's
00:47:58
house.
00:47:58
>> Delinquent.
00:48:00
>> Now, as far as criminals went, Richard
00:48:02
Spec was um not sophisticated, I would
00:48:06
say.
00:48:06
>> Okay. Uh but he really didn't need to
00:48:08
be. All he needed was enough to get by.
00:48:10
Like he wasn't looking to do any like
00:48:12
big heists or anything. At the same
00:48:14
time, his behavior on the street was
00:48:16
becoming more and more aggressive. In
00:48:18
1965, Speck and a friend were arrested
00:48:21
for beating a 15-year-old boy and
00:48:23
cutting his face.
00:48:24
>> What the [ __ ]
00:48:25
>> Yeah. A few months later, Richard was
00:48:27
arrested after police found him crouched
00:48:29
outside the window of a house that he
00:48:31
intended to burglarize
00:48:33
carrying a screwdriver in his pocket.
00:48:35
>> I'm sorry, what? When they asked him
00:48:36
what he needed the screwdriver for, he
00:48:38
answered, "I always carry a
00:48:39
screwdriver."
00:48:40
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:48:42
>> As one does. What the [ __ ]
00:48:45
>> He looked at them like they were crazy.
00:48:46
Like, you don't have your screwdrivers
00:48:48
tonight, fellas.
00:48:49
>> No big deal. Um, so how old is he now?
00:48:52
He's
00:48:53
>> He's like 23 at this point. Depending on
00:48:57
>> uh during this period of criminality, he
00:48:59
also made time for um I would say women,
00:49:02
but no, girls.
00:49:04
>> No. including a 15year-old girl.
00:49:07
>> No.
00:49:08
>> Named Shirley Malone, who he dated
00:49:10
briefly.
00:49:10
>> That's not dating.
00:49:11
>> Um who he uh groomed and uh was a
00:49:15
president.
00:49:16
>> Yeah. When Mary Spec discovered that
00:49:18
Shirley had become pregnant,
00:49:20
>> she demanded that her son marry this
00:49:22
girl. So in 1962, they married at city
00:49:24
hall. Uh married and with a child on the
00:49:27
way, Richard and Shirley moved in with
00:49:29
Richard's mother, but that didn't last
00:49:30
long.
00:49:30
>> Married to a child with a child on the
00:49:32
way.
00:49:32
>> Exactly. Between Richard's hard drinking
00:49:34
and his tendency to lose jobs every four
00:49:36
minutes, the couple were soon kicked out
00:49:38
of his mother's house and spent several
00:49:40
months moving around from one apartment
00:49:41
to another.
00:49:42
>> Oh, that poor girl.
00:49:43
>> In July, Shirley gave birth to their
00:49:44
daughter, Robbie. But by then, the
00:49:47
relationship had completely deteriorated
00:49:49
and fall apart. And rather than continue
00:49:51
following her deadbeat husband around
00:49:53
one tenement to another, she chose to
00:49:56
return to her parents house. By this
00:49:58
time, the relationship had become
00:49:59
physically abusive, including one time
00:50:02
where Richard threw a knife at Shirley
00:50:04
and hit her in the leg.
00:50:05
>> What the [ __ ]
00:50:06
>> So, she was like, "Nah, I don't really
00:50:07
see a reason to stay with you. I'm out."
00:50:09
>> Yeah. Now, while their relationship may
00:50:11
have ended, Shirley's connection to
00:50:13
Richard through their daughter meant
00:50:15
that she could never sever all ties to
00:50:17
him. In the years after that, Richard
00:50:19
not only harassed and frequently
00:50:21
terrorized Shirley, but also Shirley's
00:50:23
parents, Ida and Albert Malone.
00:50:24
>> Like, dude, what are you doing? In
00:50:26
addition to frequently making
00:50:27
inappropriate and wildly disrespectful
00:50:30
sexual comments to his mother-in-law,
00:50:32
>> he would often threaten them with guns
00:50:34
and other weapons, including an incident
00:50:36
in 1965
00:50:38
where he twice attacked item alone with
00:50:40
a knife while her husband and daughter
00:50:42
were out of the house. It was only after
00:50:45
Ida grabbed a knife and shouted, "I'll
00:50:47
make you eat that knife."
00:50:50
That Richard finally retreated.
00:50:51
>> And that's what we call queenship.
00:50:53
>> A bad [ __ ] Yeah.
00:50:54
>> She said, "I'll make you eat that
00:50:55
[ __ ] knife." He retreated and
00:50:57
threatened to kill her as he left the
00:50:59
house. But she was like, "Yeah, you're
00:51:00
going to kill me while you retreat cuz I
00:51:01
told you to eat that knife.
00:51:02
>> Swallow that knife." Finally in
00:51:06
>> of southern charm when Catherine says,
00:51:09
"I hope you fall on a knife."
00:51:10
>> Which is why don't you fall on an ass?
00:51:13
>> That's the most intense thing to say
00:51:16
thing to say. Now, finally, in January
00:51:19
1966, after years of abuse from Richard,
00:51:22
the Malones brought their daughter to
00:51:23
the courthouse and formally filed for
00:51:26
divorce and requested sole custody of
00:51:28
their child. The divorce was not
00:51:30
contested, and it was granted on the
00:51:31
spot.
00:51:32
>> God, I thought you were going to say not
00:51:33
granted.
00:51:34
>> The next day, Shirley married Tinker
00:51:35
Frasier, a man she'd been seeing for
00:51:37
several months. And just before the
00:51:39
divorce was filed, Richard visited
00:51:41
Shirley one final time and begged her to
00:51:43
reconsider.
00:51:43
>> Shirley, baby, no. When she refused, he
00:51:46
pathetically asked if he could borrow
00:51:47
her car before exiting their lives
00:51:50
forever.
00:51:51
>> What a deadbeat.
00:51:51
>> What a pathetic.
00:51:52
>> What a deadbeat.
00:51:53
>> Loser.
00:51:53
>> That's such ex-husband behavior.
00:51:55
>> Such a [ __ ] loser.
00:51:56
>> Please get back with me. Please, please,
00:51:58
please. Can I borrow the car?
00:51:59
>> Can I just use if we're not going to get
00:52:00
back together, can I use your car?
00:52:02
>> She's like, "Fuck off.
00:52:02
>> It reminds me of driving in cars with
00:52:04
boys."
00:52:05
>> Now, between 1961 and 1966, Richard
00:52:08
bounced between jobs, apartments, even
00:52:10
penitentiies. And hey, it was really the
00:52:12
latter of the three where he seemed most
00:52:14
comfortable and at ease to be honest.
00:52:16
>> Isn't that so like I don't feel bad for
00:52:18
him. But isn't that such a sad concept
00:52:20
that you hear about
00:52:21
>> seems to be locked up
00:52:23
>> and that and that some people are more
00:52:25
comfortable in that scenario.
00:52:26
>> It's a sad state of being
00:52:28
>> more comfortable in that scenario where
00:52:29
all of your creature comforts are taken
00:52:31
away from you.
00:52:32
>> Exactly. Now in the real world there
00:52:34
were so many variables and social norms
00:52:37
to be navigated but in prison he knew
00:52:40
what was expected of him. It felt like
00:52:42
it's simplified.
00:52:44
>> Okay.
00:52:45
>> He doesn't do well with complex thoughts
00:52:47
and complex ideas and notions. He needs
00:52:51
it simple as [ __ ] You get up, you eat
00:52:53
your food, you go back in your cell, you
00:52:56
you brush your teeth, and you go to
00:52:58
sleep. Like that's
00:53:00
>> that's what he needed.
00:53:00
>> That's so sad. And also, he didn't have
00:53:02
to be anything other than what he truly
00:53:04
was, which by this point, according to
00:53:06
one former employee, was quote careless,
00:53:09
troublesome, and dishonest. He could be
00:53:11
that in prison.
00:53:12
>> Imagine people, they're like, "Hey, what
00:53:14
are three words that describes this
00:53:16
person?" And that's what they choose.
00:53:17
>> Careless, troublesome, dishonest.
00:53:19
>> I'd be like, "Damn, I should probably do
00:53:20
some inner work." Now, in the fall of
00:53:22
1966, after yet another stretch in
00:53:25
prison for forgery, this time, Richard
00:53:27
Speck was released from jail and
00:53:29
accepted an invitation from his sister
00:53:31
Carolyn, who remember had taken care of
00:53:33
him when he was little. Yeah.
00:53:34
>> To join her and her husband in Chicago.
00:53:36
>> And remember when he was living with
00:53:38
Carolyn,
00:53:39
>> he was good.
00:53:40
>> He was happy, but he was also like
00:53:41
>> he was doing well,
00:53:42
>> but still like he was I think like well
00:53:45
obviously she was a good influence. I
00:53:46
think it went really went downhill when
00:53:49
he moved to Texas with his mom and his
00:53:51
stepfather
00:53:51
>> cuz he was being abused.
00:53:52
>> Now, at that time, Richard had promised
00:53:54
his sister and just about anyone else
00:53:56
who still spoke to him that he was ready
00:53:58
to give up his hard hard living life and
00:54:01
straightened his [ __ ] out. Um, and all
00:54:03
he needed was a place to stay while he
00:54:05
got himself a job and got back on his
00:54:06
feet. He didn't want to do this anymore.
00:54:08
>> And of course, you want to do that for
00:54:09
your sibling when they're telling you
00:54:10
they're promising you the world.
00:54:11
>> Yeah. Now, unfortunately, it turned out
00:54:13
that Richard's promises to get his life
00:54:15
together were just another empty [ __ ]
00:54:17
can promise. Um, and within a few weeks
00:54:20
of arriving in Chicago, he'd spent most
00:54:22
of his time and money getting drunk and
00:54:24
hanging around downtown. So,
00:54:27
>> Caroline was just trying to help him out
00:54:28
and be a good big sister, just like she
00:54:30
had done when he was I mean, she took
00:54:33
>> That's her little brother who's like in
00:54:35
third grade, and his mom and his stepdad
00:54:37
were just like, "Bye, we're going to
00:54:38
Texas. You can live with your sister in
00:54:40
Chicago."
00:54:40
>> Yeah. just abandoned like straight up
00:54:42
were like you take care of him.
00:54:44
>> Yeah, she sounds like she was more of a
00:54:45
mom.
00:54:45
>> She probably just tried to step in and
00:54:47
like at this point she's like I I'm
00:54:49
trying again but like I did my best.
00:54:52
>> And that's where we are going to end for
00:54:55
part one because then we are going to
00:54:56
get into his arrest for the murders of
00:55:00
the nurses in Chicago in 1966 in part
00:55:03
two.
00:55:05
>> But that is Richard Spec so far. Wow,
00:55:07
that was a whirlwind. And I can only
00:55:10
imagine what part two will be.
00:55:11
>> And we've caught up to where we are now
00:55:12
in 1966. We've caught up to he is now
00:55:16
living with Carolyn, his sister, in
00:55:18
Chicago. He's promising the world and
00:55:20
he's still being a [ __ ]
00:55:22
>> I have a feeling that he does more
00:55:24
[ __ ] things.
00:55:25
>> I mean, he definitely does.
00:55:27
>> All right. Well, with that being said,
00:55:28
we hope you keep listening and we hope
00:55:30
you keep it weird,
00:55:33
but not so weird that you're just born
00:55:35
to raise hell. Oh, [ __ ] Luther.