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hey weirdos I am Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid this is morbid we haven't done
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this in a minute feels weird I know we like back backlogged all our recordings did a whole batch you know batched it up
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so I could go to disn nasty with my mans woohoo wow that great I would say anything I don't want to don't offend me
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I don't want to anger Disney people don't offend me I'm going to give it another shot eventually yeah with me for
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the kiddos with me and I want to bring Papa yeah fck family [ __ ] trip [ __ ] we're going to make it great
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figure how to like it I just wanted to see your response to that what did you say I said I'm going
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to make shirts oh I was just kidding I want chose not to hear that part you said my brain blocked that part out I
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said what no I like to wear my own outfits of course you do because I would never force a shirt upon somebody
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because I like to wear what I want to wear yeah I like that about you thanks thanks I like a lot of things about
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YouTube but yeah a lot I went to Disney and to Universal party I'm a theme Park adult and um I met some of you guys and
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you were so nice I met Alexis and Sam and I think it was a vau that worked there and she gave us passes to go in
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the Monsters Ink ride and that was really cool wow and who else did I meet I met a lot of names and I'm sorry I
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didn't forget yours is just not coming to me right now I'm awful with names and it has nothing to do with like not
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wanting to know the person it's just I'm really bad at names I want to remember oh Shelby I met a Shelby she was really
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cool she [ __ ] loves you too everybody that I met also loves you feel like only
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Shelby likes you Shelby really liked you everybody else said oo glad Elena's not
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with you glad it's just S no everybody was like I love Alena and I love you yay no you guys are always so
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sweet I love meeting people yeah we always have the best honestly like it's I love meeting people cuz we always have
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the best interactions you guys are so sweet you're so kind you guys are so fun we always walk away and go they were so
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nice every single time honestly every person that is walking away from us probably hears us together or like us to
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our spouse being like Oh my God they that was so nice or that was so cool yeah it happens every time yeah um but
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no that's fun and hi all of the people that Ash met hi I hope you had fun at Disney they did and Universal and
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Universal wear your sunscreen I did I wee SPF 50 every day there you go smart I'm pale I'm pale I wear my sella do
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drops please sponsor me every day go every day every day I'm wearing them right now even I love that for you thank
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you thank you how are you I'm good do you have a book coming up I do have a book coming up I know I read it on the
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plane it's did [ __ ] great listen to Ash spectacular page Turner thrilling experience terrifying to know you and to
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think H that's in your head that's in your in your head head in your head all right you talk sorry well no that was
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great that's that's really all we need is uh you can pre-order the butcher game The Butcher game.com it'll take you
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everywhere you need to go um we Barnes & Noble is doing all kinds of fun things there's going to be you know um by the
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time this comes out it will have already happened but there is there has been a Kindle Deal for the first book so you
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can get ready for the second book oh that's cool uh but it comes out September 17th but pre-orders are
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awesome and they make a difference and it means that you'll get your book first Sometimes you even get it like the day
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before sometimes that happens yeah that did happen to a lot of people last time fun and they were [ __ ] stoked yeah
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that's a fun thing that's why pre-orders I know like trust like let let's level together everybody sometimes a pre-order
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you're like well the book's not out yet I'm not I'll just wait like what like you know like I get it fair I have to
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really [ __ ] love the person to pre-order that's the thing I love you so I pre-ordered I appreciate that and I
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understand that I totally get it you're like I'll just wait till September why would I spend the money now and I get
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that and if you want to do that that's totally cool but I'll also appreciate that if
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you buy it on in September when it comes out so as long as you just buy it just get it but it's true if you pre-order
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sometimes you do get it a day early and that is kind of a fun perk and I've noticed that when I've pre-ordered
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things and it is one of those moments where you're like oh okay I guess I just have this before everyone else does
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being ahead of the curve is one of the best things ever it's a fun thing uh so yeah if you guys want to do it it's fun
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and um you know maybe who knows if there'll be more who knows I know there's more catch it catch it now the
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way it ends is there more I'm not going to tell you that you're such a [ __ ] you're such a [ __ ] you're such a [ __ ]
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well with that with that with me name calling let's go um we have a case today that I'm sure many many many many if not
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everybody knows we're going to be covering the Natalie Holloway case but I wanted to cover this uh one because it
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is a case worth covering every case is but we are also going to have a followup to this and I just wanted to tell you
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guys right off the bat because we are going to be sitting down with the director from peacock's pathological the
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lies of yor and bander slute with for like a whole followup after this episode so if you have a chance between now and
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when that comes out it will most likely be the next episode yeah um definitely check that out because we're going to be
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talking all about that it's going to be real interesting yeah yeah definitely it
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was a really really good documentary but with that being said let's get into the
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case let's do it so Natalie Anne Holloway was born on October 21st 1986 in Memphis Tennessee she was the first
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of two children born to David and Beth hallway the family which also includes Natalie's younger brother Matt they
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lived in Clinton Mississippi until Dave and Beth's marriage came to an end and they decided to part ways but after that
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Natalie's father Dave ended up moving to Jackson Mississippi around 1995 and despite the breakup of their
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marriage Dave and Beth really made every effort to remain on good terms for their
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kids that's awesome to just make sure that they could co-parent in Harmony and by all accounts they were very
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successful at that yeah exactly in 2000 Beth ended up remarrying to George uh his nickname is
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jug Twitty he's an Alabama businessman uh and that prompted a move from Mississippi to Mountain Brook Alabama
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Natalie was right around 14 at that time so you could assume that up and moving at that age would be pretty difficult
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yeah I imagine I think I'm not sure if she was in I I don't think she was in her freshman year yet I think she was in
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eth grade but she acclimated relatively easy and really quickly became one successful at her new school like she
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was doing really well and also really popular everyone liked her damn her friend Francis bird told reporters I've
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known Natalie since she moved here in eighth grade ever since she's been here she's been the smartest of all us
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friends oh so she was really smart she was a really likable person like a good friend yeah uh by the time she reached
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high school she was already thinking about her future and her goal was to pursue a career in medicine her cousin
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Thomas said she was everything parents look for pretty much in every Honor Society you could think of hardly ever
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got into trouble pretty much everything you would want in a son or daughter oh that's heartbreaking yeah Natalie's
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responsible attitude and commitment to her studies eventually paid off by the time she reached her senior year in high
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school she was a straight A student at the top of her class and she got herself a full scholarship to the University of
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Alabama holy [ __ ] which like I think that needs to be stressed like yeah all A's Straight A's is something so hard to
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achieve oh that's no easy feat Straight A's and a full ride to like a really the
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University of Alabama is a pretty good school yeah and I don't remember and maybe I'm not remembering it correctly
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cuz it feels like it was a long time ago at this point I don't remember that being as you know focused on no I as it
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probably should have been no and I think we'll we'll talk about that a little bit
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this story like if if you were alive and like tuning into the news when this was
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happening all you heard about it was everything you heard about but it was not very victim focused in the way that
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I think it should have been it was more the story itself like of of The Disappearance itself and less about
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Natalie more about like the tensions between Aruba and America and the media sensation and all of that like Natalie
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and I think I end up saying like exactly what I'm going to say right now later she got lost as a as a girl and it was
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the story that everybody was yeah cuz I remember it very clearly when this happened oh it was con it was like uh it
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was like when meline mccan went missing it was that it was all you saw yeah exactly you know it was like yeah it was
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all that Stu station every channel all the time yep it was the Amanda Knox trial it was like all that it was that
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kind of intense coverage like a frenzy yeah but she was also uh active in several extracurricular activities as
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well the the time that this girl like the the things that this girl made time for is nuts yeah she was in the Mountain
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Brook High dance team she went to her Church's Bible Club she had a part-time job at a health food store and she also
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found time to volunteer with organizations whenever she could damn like just made time to do good things
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how do you have that many minutes in a day I don't know but after all the hard work that she put into her schooling and
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just being like a overall badass in general Natalie asked her mom if she could attend the annual Mountain Brook
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High School class trip to Aruba every year the seniors graduated they would go to Aruba for like a a reward a
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celebration that kind of thing Beth really couldn't think of a single reason to say no to Natalie I mean why yeah she
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wrote her step brother George had gone two years before and if I could swing it financially I wanted Natalie to have the
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experience of course I understand that it's like I think I believe she was 18 like you know yeah she was 18 and it's
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like you know like I want her to see the world she put so much hard work into her
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schooling and and Aruba is known as a safe Island yeah know like we both had our honeymoons there yeah it really is
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known as one of those places that people aren't like you know super on edge going
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to you know so it's like what really would Make Her Say No Natalie's a good kid she right she's shown herself to be
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responsible she's shown herself to be trustworthy and that she can handle this kind of Freedom yeah and it's like her
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her stepbrother went like how are we going to say yes to one kid and no to the other like there's so many factors
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but Dave on the other hand Natalie's dad he wasn't entirely comfortable with the
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idea I can understand that too I see both sides of it 100% he wrote in his 2023 Memoir I was apprehensive about
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Natalie taking this type of trip and I tried to talk her out of it I didn't like the idea of her traveling that far
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away with so many other students and so few chaperon I can totally get that because I would probably be more on that
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end because I tend to be a helicopter parent yeah which I don't think anybody can blame anybody either way for
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absolutely I can see both ways I totally understand why Beth was like there's really she's given me no reason to
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believe that you know yeah she goes to this Rel this you know relatively safe place with her friends that she's going
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to have a fun time and come home and everything will be fine it'll be great and that's the thing like students did
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this every year so you understand and again what are the odds you just think what are the odds exactly like it
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wouldn't happen to me it's awful but despite her father's apprehension he did end end up giving Natalie a $500 check
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to cover half the cost of the trip to Aruba a few weeks before the drip uh the trip excuse me Beth attended two
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information sessions about it where the parents who wouldn't be on the trip would receive more practical details and
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most importantly they learned about the chaperon who would be in charge of the students while they were on the island
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and see they're doing their due diligence like they're doing the thing that you know like that's what they
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should be doing right exactly in 2007 Beth wrote the position of the chaperon was made clear they'd be there for
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emergencies such as loss passports but they wouldn't be conducting bed checks or roll call okay so they were really
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just there to in case of emergency issue which you can kind of understand because
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these are mostly 18yearold yeah I can totally understand that I that would stress me out a l but it
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would stress me out but at the same time I can see where she was like she's 18 she's going to be going off to college
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like there's no chaperons there I cannot imagine being in that kind of position because it really is that must I don't
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have teenagers so I don't know but it's like it feels like that age would be the
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toughest because it's like they're technically in the eyes of like many situations adults question you know you
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know quote unquote and it's like they see themselves as adults because they're being told by so many things that
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they're adults now and they're being had they have to take on adult responsibilties so why can't I act like
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an adult why don't I get adult freedoms and it's like you need to walk that line
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and I understand that it I it must be hard to figure out how I don't I don't envy them and I don't I don't look
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forward excited to that I don't blame you but considering like I just said that Natalie and most of the other
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students were either 18 or nearly 18 this position seemed reasonable to death so on the morning of May 26th 2005
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Natalie arrived at the airport with 125 of her fellow students and seven chooon like Dave Holloway Beth's
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decision to let her daughter go on this trip was not made lightly or without reservations known for its very vibrant
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night life in countless casinos and clubs Aruba had a particular lure for unsupervised teenagers who were looking
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forward to being away from their parents in a region where the drinking age is actually 18 yeah that's another that's
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another factor of all this Beth recalled when a former Mountain Brook student came back from his class trip he told us
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a chilling uh incident at a night spot called Carlos and Charlie according to the student quote some locals had tried
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to get a couple of girls in his class to leave with them but the student quote stepped in to help diffuse a potentially
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dangerous situation so she had heard about that and was very apprehensive that would make me very nervous like
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very nervous about it but it was one instance you know and it technically that can happen
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anywhere in their that can happen tomorrow night so it's like right you of course it's going to put you on a little
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high alert but it's like you know you got to take it for what it is but whether the student Storyteller was
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being truthful or exaggerating for a story sake the tale of this young woman in Peril definitely frightened Beth and
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she be for that reason she made it a point to warn Natalie be vigilant when you're around unfamiliar people espe at
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bars and nightclubs like they had that conversation probably multiple times and you do just have to hope that you've
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taught them well and that you know they're going to be humans that have to go out in the world eventually so and
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you that's what you've prepared them for their whole life so while Natalie was away Beth figured it would actually be a
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good time to take a little long weekend get away herself so she called a few a few friends and they arranged a little
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girl's weekend at her family vacation home in Hot Springs they were on their drive back to Mountain Brook on Monday
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May 30th when Beth's cell phone rang the voice on the other end was that of a young man excuse me a young woman who
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Beth didn't recognize but she would come to know as Jody the tour coordinator that Beth had actually spoken to um
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during those information sessions before Natalie left for her trip but jod explained that the group had assembled
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in the hotel lobby that morning but when the chaperon did a headcount Natalie was
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missing she was not among those in the head count in fact Jody went on quote when the other Mountain Brook students
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met in the holiday and Lobby to board buses for the airport Natalie's roommates notified chaperon that she
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hadn't returned to the room the previous night no this would just hearing this is you would
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lose it this is your worst night s my brain is in like fight ORF flight mode for her like it's just that's your worst
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nightmare yeah it gives you chill your worst nightmare like story just be sitting in your seat on your way home
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like no no this is a dream think of 100, different things that could be happening
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yeah exactly and everyone is worse than the last one and just sitting there like
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thinking this can't be H like there's no way and she's so far away mhm ex that's
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the other thing that like I'm sure she probably struggled with just as a parent oh yeah is being an an ocean away you
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know like an ocean between you kind of thing like exact that must have already been something she was sitting with like
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that's hard 100% it's like I mean for us it's like a five six hour flight like that's a long time
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like when you know John had to fly down to you know to like a couple hours away when his father passed away and he had
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to do it kind of unexpectedly just for a couple days and he still is like he's like being a plain ride away from you
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and the girls yeah was not for me like he was like not for me I thought about it to all day every day for two days
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that's when like nothing like dangerous is going Hells to youon happened he was like the thought
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that I had to jump on a plane to get to you or like it was going to take a long time to drive to you and I feel that way
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too whenever I'm even like a couple hours away like even into like New York or something like that I feel too far
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away oh I do totally get that and nothing's happening so it's like when when detrimental when when you're
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getting that phone call and you are hours away on a plane mhm I the helplessness that must have been felt is
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something I can't even conceive of no and Beth said she wrote instantly I know something bad has happened oh cuz you're
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a mom you just know exactly you're her parent a mama always knows we always say that so she called her husband from the
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car and asked if he could arrange for immediate transportation to Aruba and she was surprised when he hesitated he
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suggested maybe Natalie had just missed her flight but Beth was like no she said
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Natalie might be early for something but never late see and she knows her daughter she's like I know Natalie she's
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she would not have missed that flight no and honestly I'd be the I'd be like I will overreact exactly I'd rather show
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up there and overreact find her exactly so jug Twitty didn't object any further and started making some phone calls to
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see what he could do about getting a private flight to Aruba straight away in the meantime Beth called her son Matt
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who relayed the information about Natalie uh Missing the flight to his father Dave adding that Beth and jug
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were booking a private plane and leaving for Ruba ASAP so Dave Holloway got online and found the phone number for
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the hotel and he managed to reach one of the chaperon who volunteered actually to
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stay behind in case Natalie showed up like people that's a real one they really showed up for each other here
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unfortunately though the chaperon didn't have any more information than what had
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already been relayed she was they were like I'll stay and if she's here but like that's all I really know but they
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did mention that the group had received some help from the US drug enforcement agency um an agent who was actually
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there on vacation and had made some calls to local police on their behalf that's great so a lot of people stepping
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in to help here in the beginning in the beginning while Beth waited to hear back
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from her husband about the travel going on she placed a call to the FBI field office in Birmingham but it was a
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holiday weekend so the office was closed now not knowing what else to do she just
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started going through the list of students on the trip and placed one call after the other and after talking to a
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few of the kids on the trip a picture of the previous night's events started to emerge to celebrate their last night on
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the island the students had gone out to Carlos and Charlie the same club that Beth had actually heard about from that
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previous student where they partied until a little after midnight as they were leaving a few people saw Natalie
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get into a dark colored Honda with a teenager that a few of the students had actually become friendly with during the
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trip uh Jug's nephew Thomas told Beth his name is jiren or Geron or something like that according to Thomas the guy
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was a Dutch tourist who was staying at the same hotel and to him he didn't seem dangerous they never do they never do
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after a few hours jug had managed to secure a private flight and a short time later he and Beth were on their way to
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Aruba the plane touched down a little after 11:00 p.m. so you just imagine that like imagine the stress of just
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going to the airport in general when you're going to do something fun and like exciting just imagine
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you're like just get me on that plane and get me there imagine having to get through uh like TS security while you're
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dealing with this like I can't even but they went straight to the Holiday Inn where the students were staying and they
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were met by the remaining chaperon and that vacationing DEA agent who was still providing some assistance after making
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introductions Beth went to the front desk and asked about that Dutch teen who had been seen with her daughter the
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person behind the counter knew exactly who she was talking about and immediately answered oh yes yurin he
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gambles in the casino he likes to pray on young female tourists especially the blondes that is the worst thing she
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could have possibly heard I can't imagine something like worse he likes to pray on like pray prey
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on young female Taurus especially the blondes for anybody who doesn't know Natalie is a
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blonde oh I can't like like I have goose just that just oh that's heart-wrenching
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the desk agent went on to describe yuran as a tall quote good-looking boy like a
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Dutch Marine debatable very debatable and most importantly when Beth asked where this boy was from the agent said
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oh he lives in Aruba yeah so from the moment they arrived in Aruba Beth jug and Dave
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Holloway he ended up getting making his way there too felt an acute difference in foreignness in the way that things
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were being handled Natalie's disappearance had been reported to the local police and everybody at the hotel
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and local casinos had been made aware of the situation but as far as Natalie's family could tell nobody seemed to be
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taking the matter very seriously there were people out combing the beaches for Natalie but they were they were people
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they weren't police or search and rescue they were just like volunteers and like just people from the
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hotel even and you'd want to just be tearing the world apart as a parent you're like everyone sna to it the
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especially law enforcement yeah this is your job go exactly everybody just kept telling the hallways quote just wait for
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her she'll come back but obviously they weren't feeling good about that because by then Natalie had been missing for
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almost 24 hours and was last seen with a local who was now they knew known to prey on young blonde tourists yeah and
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they know their daughter exactly it's the same thing they used to do to people like they would do all the time they R
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they still do they just ran away they'll come back I bet they're just like hiding
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I bet they're just doing this and it's the parents are like no you don't know my kid I know my kid exactly I know that
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they wouldn't do that and it's like and clearly Natalie would not take off for 24 hours and not notify back home she's
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just never going home she met yuron and she's just never [ __ ] leaving like let's let's all get a grip no like this
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is a problem this is a this is a huge problem it's so infuriating I would be losing my mind if I were her parents I
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can't even imagine how cuz they're sitting there and they're like it feels like you're treating this very Blas like
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and they were getting pissed off good there and as we all know from watching the case play out on like the story play
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out on the media it this became like a very tense debate between how AR Reuben officials were handling this and how the
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family wanted it to be handled which makes it even harder it made 10 times harder that there's such a barrier
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between certain things and things are done differently in different places so it's like you're very out of your
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element you know how things work generally you live yeah like you have a general sense of like how the situation
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will unfold somewhere else you have no [ __ ] clue you don't know what the protocol is and it just wasn't what they
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expected and I'll get into it Aruba feels that they handled this like how it was supposed to be handled
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and that's that interesting they they say that they have a different way of of doing things they they don't even let
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the family in on like the closest details they keep everything very very close to the chest because they don't
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like when the media gets involved because that can [ __ ] up you know what an investigation you can see the benefit
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in that you can see the benefit in that totally but you can also see why the Hol
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were pissed off absolutely I can very much see from an outside point of view this with no like horse right right next
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to me in this race I can understand the benefit of that and I can go okay I get it but I don't know that I would in that
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I can't tell you that I would understand the benefit if it was my kid exactly but
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having arriv rabbed a little later than his ex-wife Dave Holloway took some time
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to get caught up on everything but going forward his experience was more or less
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the same as Beth since she had been there when he arrived at the police station and asked to speak to somebody
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about his daughter he was directed to detective uh Dennis Jacobs who after hearing the story asked how much money
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do you have which is a strange question uh the question also seemed odd to Dave but he
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ignored it and just continued asking questions about what was being done to find Natalie to his dismay Dave found
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that detective Jacob's attitude was exactly as Beth had described the other people involved the detective told Dave
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this happens all the time basically suggesting that Natalie had met a boy gone off for a few days was having fun
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and he said she'll probably show up in a few days she's just partying hard yeah like we know her oh yeah cuz you know my
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daughter we know her better than than you her parent so don't worry about it and then after that the detective
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suggested that Dave and the others go have a beer at Carlos and Charlie's to relax and they were sure that Natalie
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would probably show up there yeah go to the place where she was last seen and go
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have a beer you'll relax there you'll relax there can you imagine I would be being have a beer while your kids
00:27:09
missing just go have a beer she'll turn up I would be RM Losing My Religion at this point like I would be losing it
00:27:18
100% I would become the new story like this that would I can't kudos to them for not scorching the entire Earth
00:27:29
I think they wanted to absolutely I'm sure they did but good for them for for keeping their eye on the prize yeah
00:27:36
under the circumstances it's easy to understand Beth and Dave's panic in the moment and their confusion and
00:27:41
frustration that more wasn't being done to find their daughter yes but I want to
00:27:45
note that locals have a very different recollection of these first few days of the investigation I'm just trying to
00:27:51
tell both sides here yeah you got to according to Gerald I think it's donig the deputy police chief in charge of the
00:27:57
case he said pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset he said it caused several
00:28:02
mistakes to be made that compromised the investigation and continued they brought
00:28:07
out their big guns on the very first day and they started shooting they didn't understand the way things are done in
00:28:11
our system they didn't want to understand they act like they came from a world where you can just Crush people
00:28:16
it was very harmful to our investigation okay that that's all quotes yeah like we've been saying this
00:28:23
entire time I'm sorry but if I had an 18-year-old missing daughter under these same CC I would be thect way and I have
00:28:32
to assume that most people would be I can't I can't fault them for being for acting they were yeah that's the thing
00:28:41
like I really can't I'm sorry I just can't but just want to want to show both both both sides and that's and I'm sure
00:28:47
that it's seen a different way from the people in the investigation so it's good
00:28:51
to point that out cuz none of us were actually there so it's like you got to say these things exactly it's just you
00:28:59
just wonder too you're like did you explain to them though like did like you know what I mean like did did you
00:29:05
explain how panicking like you do have to like I'm like do are you putting the same amount of like empathy into your
00:29:13
work that like you should be like that that you're sitting there going okay these people are suffering and they are
00:29:20
in the worst possible scenario that anyone could ever imagine so I have to give them their due of like you're going
00:29:27
to panic and lose it and fly off the handle but like then say okay so how can I make them understand that like we do
00:29:33
understand that and we empathize with that like that's what needs to be conveyed and to me just and this is just
00:29:39
a a pure opinion based off of what I've read it sounds like they the law enforcement approached this in a very
00:29:45
clinical matter that's what it kind of seems not comforting it's like if it had just been touched with a little empathy
00:29:53
we get it would have made all the difference we understand that we can't imagine how you're feeling right now but
00:29:58
this is the way we have to do things and if we want to find your daughter like we
00:30:02
understand that's all you want and that's all we want like is just can be conveyed in a different way I feel like
00:30:08
and and maybe it wasn't ex and the hallways they didn't feel like they had acted like any any type of way that was
00:30:15
wrong out of the ordinary for your child's missing in a place you're unfamiliar with they said that that
00:30:21
wasn't the case that they didn't come out guns blazing they said they were always willing to work with locals and
00:30:26
actually offered any resources that they could but regardless of who's right and
00:30:31
who's wrong I just note the difference because it becomes a very significant feature in Natalie holiday's
00:30:36
disappearance and it also kind of really set up the rift between us and arubin officials that had an undeniable effect
00:30:44
on the search for Natalie of I think things would have gone very differently had the heads not buted like they did
00:30:52
yeah that makes sense but at the casino the following day Beth and jug poured over security camera foot of the gaming
00:30:58
floor looking for the boy that Natalie had last been seen with and after getting a better description from Jug's
00:31:04
nephew Thomas the couple finally located yurine on the tape and got a print out of the still to bring to the police
00:31:11
excited to finally have a solid lead Beth and her husband rushed to the casino Lobby and they actually almost
00:31:17
collided with the handlers that they were with Alberto and claudo who had been talking to some of the their local
00:31:22
contacts they not only managed to find a last name for the boy seen with Natalie
00:31:27
but also an ADD address for where he lived on the island their suspect's name you're in Vander slute and you would
00:31:33
think this would be like the golden ticket 100% it in my opinion it should have been and the fact that it took so
00:31:41
long is so mindboggling it's mind-boggling and then on the same side of things there was no evidence that's
00:31:51
the problem it's like and that must be the worst part is you know exactly but you can't prove it you there's no way to
00:31:58
prove it and and you know he's just walking around just not saying it and it's like way he walked around not
00:32:05
saying it and then what he does to this what he did to this family and take cuz he confessed like he did this what he
00:32:11
did to this family just taking away their daughter is one horrific horrible nightmarish thing what he continued to
00:32:19
do for the series of the next decade is Unthinkable yeah he's like soulless like
00:32:26
truly soulless soulless but anyway it took some time in convincing but Beth and jug were
00:32:32
eventually able to convince local police to accompany them to the address that they were given for yuran Vanderloo when
00:32:38
they reached the house Beth waited in the car while the officer spoke to uh juran's father paus who told them that
00:32:44
his son wasn't home Paul is placed to call to yuran and yuran told his father he was playing poker nearby at the
00:32:50
Windom Hotel so this is like I think this is probably like a couple days later and this motherfucker's just
00:32:55
sitting at a PO a poker table and and we'll find out exactly what he did to Natalie the fact that he was able to
00:33:01
just sit at a [ __ ] poker table and gamble is mindboggling mindboggling but since he
00:33:09
said he was there police had it to the hotel with paus to find the teenager but when they got there there was no sign of
00:33:15
jurin big thing yurin loves to do is play games liar who plays lots and lots of games aside from poker but after
00:33:23
speaking with the casino staff paulus got another call from his son and he said he was back at home and in the
00:33:28
company of his friend I think it's DPAC uh calpo so Beth continued to wait in the car the second time while police
00:33:35
interviewed Juran and deepo who were standing in the driveway next to a dark silver Honda oh stop if you remember
00:33:44
Natalie was last seen in a dark colored Honda so as she waited Beth was on speaker phone with some of the kids from
00:33:50
the trip Who provided a very accurate description of both yuran and deepok now according to Juran he met
00:33:58
Natalie at the blackjack table at Carlos and Charlie's that night that she went missing and the way he speaks about her
00:34:04
is disgusting so I just want to let you know that off the bat yeah he is foul he
00:34:07
immediately spoke negatively of Natalie saying she came on to me huge dancing suggestively like a
00:34:14
[ __ ] and he knows full well what he did to this girl and this is what he's saying he continued well he's mad he is
00:34:21
M oh he's big mad he continued claiming that he quote did Jello shooters off of her stomach and brought her a shot of
00:34:27
151 proof room Natalie's friends claimed that when the bar closed she said that she was going to get a ride back to the
00:34:33
holiday in with Juran and his friends but yuran said she just wanted to go with him so he Natalie and his two
00:34:40
friends got into the car and headed toward the beach he told the officers that he and Natalie were making out in
00:34:46
the back of the car but she was quote unquote so drunk she kept falling asleep and waking up maybe you should stop
00:34:52
trying to should bring her back do anything with her then and just bring her back to the hotel cuz if you're a
00:34:57
good person that's what you would have done but you're not but clearly you're not he claimed that when they got to the
00:35:03
beach they had consensual sex which they literally couldn't have if she was so drunk that she was falling asleep and
00:35:08
then waking up and then falling asleep again that's not consensual sex and he provided us a description of the
00:35:14
underwear that she was wearing that night but then he decided in the middle of all that that she was too drunk so he
00:35:20
did bring her back to the holiday in oh and that was the last time he saw her he's such a good guy yeah according to
00:35:25
Dave Holloway the local police were more than happy to accept juran's explanation
00:35:30
but the family and friends who arrived to look for Natalie were very skeptical that he was telling the truth uh for
00:35:36
many reasons Dave said Jacobs considered the boy statement to be consistent that
00:35:41
they had all said theyd dropped Natalie off at the hotel however the tapes did not show Natalie returning to the
00:35:47
holiday in that exactly that's the thing I'm like that's that's weird that's when
00:35:52
I would get [ __ ] pissed that's why are you accepting that story as true this random kid who is known to pray on
00:36:00
girls on blonde tourists like I'm sorry we're were just going to accept what he says that he's a good guy and just
00:36:05
brought her home and you already have the the footage from the holiday it doesn't show her returning to the hotel
00:36:12
so what's the hole in that story and maybe this was one of the moments where the police did feel like they found a
00:36:19
hole and were just like not saying anything because they were keeping it close to the chest but as a family
00:36:24
member that would drive me [ __ ] insane and that's when that tactic of of Investigation does work does become an
00:36:30
issue right I understand want not wanting to get the media involved but the family got to keep some family
00:36:36
members in the loop man like because they're going to start thinking that you're not doing anything and then
00:36:41
they're going to go to the media to get help and that's exactly what and you can't blame them for it it's like come
00:36:46
on like there's got to be because again we can understand the benefit of keeping
00:36:51
things away from the media and keeping things close to the chest the media can [ __ ] everything up so it's like we get
00:36:57
it yeah we always say that in investigations we get keeping things close to the chest but there's got to be
00:37:02
a balance with the family it's a fine there's got to be Bal especially with like parents and [ __ ] like that like
00:37:08
there has to be some flow of communication so they know that you're doing your job and that this form of
00:37:15
investigation that you guys do is is working and that you're actually like moving forward with it exactly and you
00:37:23
it's like it should be that way with anybody but especially the fact that they traveled all all the way here to
00:37:28
find their daughter let them in on some information just come on so getting nowhere with local police Beth and jug
00:37:36
finally got a hold of the FBI office in Birmingham on June 1st and that office agreed to provide whatever assistance
00:37:42
they could to search for Natalie at the same time Beth received a text message from her son that read mom I called CNN
00:37:49
now the whole world knows about Natalie wow cuz I think her brother saw that nothing was really being done he's
00:37:55
hearing the frustration in his mom and dad's voice and a stepdad and he's like okay well then we have to [ __ ] do
00:38:01
something like I get it oh I get it I 100% understand why they went to the media I get yeah I know there's a lot of
00:38:08
different opinions about that but personally I get it well and I think you're the only people should who should
00:38:14
be able to really have valid opinions about it are family members of victims who have gone through this stuff M
00:38:20
agreed uh that those are the really the only opinions that I would want to hear on the matter yeah cuz you don't know
00:38:25
what do you think you've been through this like you know I can sit here and speculate what I
00:38:30
would do and what I would but I have not been through that exactly so it's like and and everybody else speculating and
00:38:37
saying that like you know they shouldn't have or they should have done this if you haven't gone through something
00:38:41
similar you don't know we don't really know you don't know that's the [ __ ] that
00:38:45
will spin your worlds into a whole different orbit and you can't even begin to prepare for it no and hopefully
00:38:51
nobody like yeah ever has to Hope and then that's the thing you hope that you never ever have to know what that de
00:38:57
decision making process is like exactly but when the news about Natalie's disappearance broke on the major US news
00:39:03
outlets the tips began flooding in which as we know can either help or completely
00:39:09
[ __ ] something up and that's where it's like I can understand all the different
00:39:13
sides of this because there is downsides there are definitely down downsides people claim to have seen Natalie at
00:39:19
various places around the island that night with many claiming to have seen her in the company of known drug dealers
00:39:26
which so it gets out of control it gets out of control to Beth jug and Dave the local police had already proven
00:39:32
themselves to be of little use so they just spent days following up on those leads themselves any tip they got they
00:39:37
tried to follow up on every single thing they got the days began to run together
00:39:42
as the family pursued every lead just like anything they possibly could increasingly convinced that Natalie had
00:39:49
been kidnapped and trafficked to another country that's the other thing it it can
00:39:54
completely steer you in a different direction that you've never even thought of and that unfortunately isn't what
00:40:00
happened ex and you spend like you understand why they want to chase down every lead but it sucks that people will
00:40:07
call in and say things like that and not think of the fact that these people wasted so much time going down that road
00:40:13
when they never had to yeah it's like when they would go to the ends of the Earth for their loved on so they will
00:40:19
chase these things down and it's like you have to be like a special kind of [ __ ] up mhm to be like putting in if
00:40:26
you're one of the people who like puts in like those fake tips and [ __ ] I don't
00:40:30
understand that's a special kind of [ __ ] I don't get that but at that point in
00:40:35
the investigation few people in Aruba seemed interested in helping Beth much less than investigating the case however
00:40:41
Beth did manage to find two allies in uh I think it's Julia Renfro and Angela munsen heler an editor and reporter for
00:40:50
the English language magazine Aruba today mothers themselves they were incredibly sympathetic and offered to
00:40:56
help in any way they could including using the magazine to Rally American tourists and ex Patriots to
00:41:01
help look for Natalie after a few radio announcements and articles more than a 100 American tourists and a handful of
00:41:08
locals and policemen were searching the island for Natalie doing the job the local police were seemingly reluctant to
00:41:15
perform the advocacy coming from the women at the AR at Aruba today caught the eye of uh yon Vander stron a Dutch
00:41:23
Police Superintendent who had also been assigned to the case and Julia Renfro recalled an altercation with him during
00:41:30
the search she said Vander stron walks up to me and tells me you can't do this I said yes I can I'm going to find this
00:41:37
girl he told me she wasn't even considered missing for 48 hours in fact he told me just to go to ladies night at
00:41:43
Carlos and Charlie's that night and that she would probably show up there the amount of people telling like
00:41:50
anybody trying to help our actual family members and loved ones in this case to go to Carlos and Charlie's the last PL
00:41:57
like and just go chill out I don't understand no I don't get that that mindset I don't know if I'm just like a
00:42:03
crazy American girl but that would I would I can't imagine somebody looking at me telling me to go to the last place
00:42:11
that my loved one was not to like go find Clues but just just to go wait for them just go relax they'll show back up
00:42:17
just go to ladies night yeah cuz they'll she'll show back up how do you not just
00:42:21
look at that person in in the face and just go [ __ ] you yeah I would [ __ ] you I
00:42:25
would lose it personally but it's fair to say from the moment they arrived on the island and began looking for their
00:42:31
daughter the Twitty and Holloway families did get on the wrong side of local law enforcement Gerald dump Pig
00:42:36
later said jug and his Alabama friends they basically came out and said they would bring hell to our Island if
00:42:41
Natalie wasn't found burn it down were the exact words but again I understand a little bit why you would have that
00:42:50
Viewpoint if you felt like you weren't getting helped but then on the same side of things I can see why law enforcement
00:42:57
was pissed off that they're like you're coming to our peaceful Island and saying
00:43:00
you're going to burn it down yeah like you can see all the sides but I got to say I I can't fault this family for
00:43:08
having extreme you know bursts of like well then burn it the [ __ ] down you know what
00:43:13
I mean like you you would move the whole [ __ ] solar system for your kid you would you just would and if you wouldn't
00:43:21
look look deeply at that cuz it's like that's you that's the feeling well you're I can't blame them for anything
00:43:28
that comes out of their mouth at this point again you're pan it's it's a thing I couldn't even imagine living through
00:43:35
so I really I can't I I can't I would probably be yelling [ __ ] that I would regret later too 100% I think th this is
00:43:44
your worst of days you're going to say [ __ ] you're going to say crazy [ __ ] this
00:43:49
is and to judge people on the worst suffering they could have imagined the worst days of their entire life it's not
00:43:57
fair that's not right but again I I stress that this is going on to highlight that the attitude surrounding
00:44:04
the the case quickly set that combative tone that would eventually just completely take over the story and
00:44:11
Natalie really got lost and all of that yeah and it was because of the way the media really highlighted the tensions
00:44:20
versus Natalie missing yeah you know what I mean by June 4th just four days after she had gone missing even the
00:44:27
local authorities actually started to reconsider their original stance that Natalie you know would just show up
00:44:33
after a few days of youthful irresponsibility even uh yon Vander stron now in charge of the investigation
00:44:40
reluctantly told reporters after four or five days you are afraid a crime has been committed yeah in the four days
00:44:46
that they'd been on the island Natalie's family had created a sufficient amount of noise that the FBI and the US uh
00:44:52
State Department had gotten involved in the case and a reward of $50,000 was now
00:44:57
being offered for any information leading to a discovery of Natalie so now taking the case seriously the arubus
00:45:04
Coast Guard started searching the waters and the beaches while uniformed police officers searched the urban center and
00:45:09
Resorts around the island still no sign of natal so Under Pressure to solve the case or at least kind of show some
00:45:17
evidence of real progress on June 8th local police arrested Nick JN and Abram Jones two hotel workers suspected of
00:45:24
involvement in Natalie's disappearance there appears to have been little reason to suspect either man but a judge ruled
00:45:31
there was sufficient cause to hold both of them on quote possible murder and kidnapping charges in The Disappearance
00:45:37
what the arrest was based on the fact that when they were first interviewed all three boys meaning Juran and his two
00:45:44
friends there claimed that when they dropped Natalie back at the hotel they saw her being approached by two quote
00:45:50
unquote dark security guards as they drove away so they literally just pinned this on two random ass people and the
00:45:56
police were like okay but again these two men who worked at the hotel were arrested on the word of
00:46:04
these three boys who said they dropped Natalie back off at the hotel but let me remind you there's no evidence that they
00:46:10
ever dropped Natalie back off at the hotel they lied like liars there's there's surveillance of her leaving the
00:46:17
hotel never coming back yep what yep the arrest you would think in some circumstances might have been
00:46:25
encouraging for the family but immediately after learning of the arrest Beth contacted one of the lead
00:46:30
investigators and insisted that they were arresting the wrong men not getting the response that she was looking for
00:46:36
though Beth turned to the press and in interviews on major cable news uh cable news shows she accused the Aruban
00:46:42
government of stonewalling the investigation in order to protect the Vander slutes quote because they were a
00:46:47
prominent family which they were MH juran's father was a judge on a local circuit yep based on Beth's comments
00:46:55
American journalists and new Outlet started talking of a coverup which essentially forced the hands of local
00:47:01
investigators who did cave to Beth's demands and announced that he they had arrested jurin deepo and satesh the lead
00:47:09
investigator said under normal circumstances we would have taken much more time to monitor them we would have
00:47:14
had much more evidence had we waited it's like I don't know that you would have no cuz she's been missing for a
00:47:21
long time at this point and you just arrested two random Hotel employees yeah it's like so I don't think you had any
00:47:28
evidence it didn't seem like there was a lot of evidence there no in an article for Vanity Fair uh Brian burrow wrote
00:47:34
Dutch criminal investigators diff investigation excuse me differ from American ones in small but important
00:47:40
ways by and large Dutch detectives do not speak to journalists on or off the Record nor do they release information
00:47:47
to the public before they're ready so that is likely the reason for the Holloway's family's frustration in the
00:47:53
wake of Natalie's disappearance the lead investigator claimed that they had in fact been focused on yuran and his
00:47:59
friends all along but they didn't want to compromise their investigation by going public with that fact or making an
00:48:05
arrest too soon just giving you both sides yeah I don't know yeah I don't know despite
00:48:12
acting sooner than expected though the arrest and subsequent interrogations didn't help convince authorities that
00:48:18
yuran and his friends were innocent for one thing yuran had now changed his story and this time told investigators
00:48:25
that the brothers had dropped to off and uh him and Natalie off near the local Marriott and they walked down to the
00:48:31
beach to have sex but he said realizing Natalie was too drunk he left her on the
00:48:35
beach and walked home and they never engaged in Sex and this time he he walked home and left her on the beach
00:48:41
okay so now we're completely changing the story that's which I wonder they were like suspicious is that why like
00:48:46
I'm like because there was no evidence of her ever being dropped off like is that why your [ __ ] story is changing
00:48:52
the CPO Brothers backed up yuran story but one of them casually commented that quote something bad had happened to
00:48:59
Natalie and that's horrifying and insinuated in fact that she had been killed so what like come on what are you
00:49:09
not saying yeah it definitely wasn't a confession but the comment was suspicious to say the least and was
00:49:15
sufficient for a local judge to rule that the three boys could be held on suspicion of murder and uh Capital
00:49:21
kidnapping Now The Disappearance of Natalie Holloway was a tragedy deserving of attention in and of itself but while
00:49:28
the case should have always been focused on finding Natalie as soon as it got to
00:49:32
the news outlets it quickly like we've been saying this whole time took on a life of its own and became a global
00:49:38
story mhm in a place like Aruba which relies really heavily on American tourism bad press and especially that
00:49:46
which suggests that tourists aren't safe could have had an incredible impact on the local economy Gerald dump one of the
00:49:52
lead investigators said the Aruban government is very image conscious Amer is basically our are bread and butter
00:49:59
this fact was not lost on the hallay family though who frustrated with how locals were handling the case started
00:50:05
going to the media more and more and more knowing that that pressure would get the locals to act I think that if I
00:50:12
knew that I would probably do the same thing exact you know where their weak spot is yeah if you if you're going to
00:50:19
hit it and make the move that's the thing to find your daughter like I keep saying like it's it's the
00:50:25
tension between the government and and the media but everybody's for that it was to find their daughter it wasn't
00:50:33
just to be [ __ ] and I'm not saying they were being [ __ ] but some people do say that but it's to find their
00:50:39
[ __ ] daughter yeah that's why that's what I can't get past right I can't get past that like I can only speculate how
00:50:46
I would act and I this this appears this seems to me like pretty close to what I would do I
00:50:54
think so I I wrote right here who can say who can say it's not hard to understand how Beth and the rest of
00:51:00
Natalie's family were reacting to the situation it's just it's not for me and I know it's not for you yeah no
00:51:05
definitely not their daughter had mysteriously disappeared and was likely the victim of violence who wouldn't go
00:51:10
to similar lengths to leverage every single resource to find them but in the months that followed the increasingly
00:51:16
bitter relationship between the families and the Dutch and Aruban authorities spread on National cable news programs
00:51:22
and talk shows and it became an international story with Americans on one side of the issue and Dutch and AR
00:51:28
rubin's on the other side of the issue at one point the case actually became so prominent that Alabama Governor Bob Bry
00:51:35
went as far as to call for a nationwide boycott on all us travel to Aruba damn it's crazy yeah that that went that went
00:51:44
hard that went a little hard yeah Aruban businessman Charlie Charlie crows told Brian burrow in 2006 they're killing
00:51:50
Aruba this is a wild quote he said that girl Natalie I wish she'd stay home I hope she's found alive there because no
00:51:56
one would care no one the kid is just not worth all that trouble this heartache yeah see that's [ __ ] up on
00:52:04
levels that I can't even really dig into because my brain doesn't go to those depths if I was the mother of Natalie if
00:52:13
I was Beth reading that I would go scorched earth like that's scorched [ __ ] Earth yeah that
00:52:21
is that's really Unthinkable for someone to let come out out of their [ __ ] face to be quite
00:52:28
honest mhm that's really [ __ ] Unthinkable and if you are trying to Garner any kind of support or sympathy
00:52:36
there that was not the way to do it that wasn't the move the crazy thing is not the move is that he had actually once
00:52:41
been an ally to the family and when they first arrived on the island he acted as
00:52:46
an intermediary between the twits and the Vander [ __ ] before the police actively got involved but because of the
00:52:52
way that everything was being I think intensified to by the media crows felt personally betrayed by Beth jug and the
00:53:01
hallay family and a lot a couple like other people who had been their allies at one point but who had lived in Aruba
00:53:07
were feeling the same way they felt and this is their feeling that the holays were slandering Aruba and the American
00:53:14
Press and listen like I understand you have you know like you have loyalty for your your place absolutely you know what
00:53:22
I mean like that's your place that's your home that's your home that's where your business is that's where you know
00:53:27
like and they rely on tourism so it's like they literally said it's like they're bread and butter I get why this
00:53:32
was a very tricky situation and why it got out of hand very quickly and I can understand why that would be frustrating
00:53:39
because you know all of Aruba isn't responsible for this one piece of [ __ ] no no way he's not even a reuben and
00:53:48
that's the thing so it's like I get why that is wholly infuriating and frustrating and again I have never been
00:53:55
in this position that they were in so I can't I can only speculate from my very outside point of view so I can see that
00:54:03
but it's you can't be saying [ __ ] like that about you just can't about somebody's daughter no like about
00:54:10
somebody's whole world like you can't say that express your anger say I'm angry that Aruba is being held
00:54:16
accountable for this one piece of [ __ ] but don't that would have been much more
00:54:20
of a like let's get on board with that idea let's not sour the whole bunch of apples because of this little prick like
00:54:27
you know like that's he does he's not even one of us exactly like [ __ ] this guy that's what you say that would have
00:54:32
been like hell yeah I think everybody would have been like yeah [ __ ] that guy like he's now he's trying to ruin Aruba
00:54:37
like [ __ ] that guy yeah go after him go after the real villain here [ __ ] that
00:54:41
guy because he's the one [ __ ] with Aruba and it's like so I think it just got out of hand it got so out of hand
00:54:48
people shot off at the mouth real quick yep and it wasn't a good look cuz that's
00:54:54
not a good look I'm sorry no matter how mad you are are talking about someone's missing child like that it's pretty
00:55:01
reprehensible right exactly but I the media loved that part of it because it sensationalized everything [ __ ] up and
00:55:09
that shouldn't have been the [ __ ] Focus no it shouldn't have been it shouldn't have become this and I don't
00:55:14
think that's what anybody wanted no and ultimately to find Natalie that's the thing ultimately it did nothing to find
00:55:21
or it just muddied the waters it muddied the waters completely and it didn't help
00:55:25
build a case against the Young men who had after months of Investigation been believed by many people to be
00:55:31
responsible for her disappearance no one was focusing really on that like it was
00:55:35
mentioned obviously that they were arrested and yada yada yada but that wasn't the Prime Focus of the of the
00:55:42
storytelling in the media it never felt like cuz like from somebody who watched it all play out remember I remember it
00:55:48
very Viv like a teenager yeah I remember that like the focus wasn't on you knew like you saw this yon Vander salute and
00:55:55
we were all pretty sure like I think that guy did it like it seems like that guy did it and it's like so what the
00:56:01
[ __ ] like why aren't they finding her what's going on like what happened to her and it wasn't so much about that it
00:56:08
was all this mess right and it was like but no let's I want to know what's happening like what's happening in the
00:56:14
investigation like any leads do they know where she is has anyone seen her like has he talked what's going on is
00:56:20
anyone surveilling him like that's the questions everybody had and they answered it every once in a while in the
00:56:25
media but the media was way more focused on the mess and I think that's the problem with everything now everybody
00:56:32
focuses on the mess instead of real information gathering it's sad because the family I think got really vilified
00:56:39
in this case for turning to the media but it wasn't the family who turned this story into what turned the media and it
00:56:49
was Y in Vander slute should have been the real Focus here yeah absolutely but the Aruban authorities had arrested and
00:56:56
held yuran and the CPO Brothers on suspicion of kidnapping and murder but the judge's ruling did require that
00:57:01
authorities would need to show some evidence of their involvement if they were going to continue on with this the
00:57:08
other investigate the lead investigator and all of them involved strongly suspected that yuran and the kpos had
00:57:14
something to do with Natalie's disappearance and most likely her murder but they didn't have any evidence
00:57:20
whatsoever and without that evidence of any crime having been committed they literally had no choice but to release
00:57:27
them now with the suspect's released from custody and no other leads on hand the families returned to their desperate
00:57:33
search of the island while local investigators with assistance from the FBI chased down every lead that came in
00:57:38
no matter how small in July two months after natal had disappeared a slew of New Leads came from IND individuals who
00:57:46
believed that they had seen her in the hours after she went missing a man dropping off trash at a local landfill
00:57:51
in the early hours of May 30th said he saw several young men burying a body the [ __ ] then he said they left in a light
00:57:59
colored Jeep an investigator told reporters he said he saw a face blonde hair and a woman's chest and that the
00:58:06
body was dumped and covered but that he said he never got a good look at the men
00:58:10
that landfill that he claimed to have seen all of that go down at was searched several times but nobody was ever found
00:58:18
what the [ __ ] cuz I'm like what was that I do wonder if I don't know know if I believe
00:58:26
juran's confession entirely I I believe that he did what he did to kill Natalie and how he said disposed of her but I
00:58:35
think there's a lot missing in the story of how he disposed of her I wouldn't be
00:58:38
shocked he's a liar he's a liar and I think it is entirely possible that maybe he did bury her somewhere and had help
00:58:46
with that whether it be the CPO brothers or somebody else and then decided when the investigation got
00:58:51
hot I don't I don't know if they're going to find her if we buried her so maybe we should put her out to see I
00:58:57
don't I don't know I don't know cuz it feels like people saw weird [ __ ] yeah that but again people they see [ __ ] and
00:59:08
they think they see things that they didn't and they and that's the other thing like this is one potentially false
00:59:14
lead I mean it didn't end up finding Natalie so it didn't pan out but there this poor family and I'm sure you
00:59:20
remember it like watching the leads pour in they were fed so many leads they were
00:59:26
just like built up and then like smacked back down and I can't imagine that feeling cuz like you say that like built
00:59:33
up and smacked down that's the perfect way to describe it but I can't imagine how that would feel if you were looking
00:59:38
for your daughter getting all you're getting something that and really at this point you're like it's just hope to
00:59:44
find her body yeah so we can just bring her home we just want to bring her home like it's so important to stress that
00:59:50
these people never got to bring their daughter home no they never saw her again she left for a c liberatory trip
00:59:56
and they never got to see her again never saw her again they still to this day have no idea truly what happened to
01:00:03
her body and where she is and where she is they never got to really say obvious they have like his confession and what
01:00:10
they can you know infer and take from it from that which is horrific but even they know he's he's lied how many times
01:00:16
throughout this he's a liar it must be so hard to take that for for truth like the full 100% truth
01:00:24
but it's awful the false lead about the dump though like I just said was one of many disappointments that the family
01:00:30
faced in the early period other leads about Natalie having having been dumped in a lake or left in various other
01:00:35
locations proved to be untrue at the same time though the strongest lead in the case several blonde hairs found on a
01:00:42
large piece of duct tape that had been discovered by a park ranger that gave them a lot of hope that also fell apart
01:00:49
the tape had been handed over to the FBI for testing but a few weeks later the crime lab in quanico announced that the
01:00:54
results were negative and that must have been H what was that what was that exactly that's a thing I'm like what's
01:01:00
going on here this was always the biggest and most frustrating aspect of the Natalie Holloway case investigators
01:01:07
had three very strong suspects who they pretty much knew in their bones had killed Natalie at least one of them but
01:01:13
with no evidence of a crime they couldn't do anything and in the absence of New Leads or tips the family turned
01:01:19
their attention back to the press and in the year or two that followed because remember this Spann years oh yeah the
01:01:26
Natalie hallay case just seemed to unfold entirely on Nightly News programs with no real progress being made
01:01:32
honestly it felt like it was never going to even inch forward no at times you were like what's going on here and it's
01:01:38
crazy that only recently yeah did it did we get anything it was a huge break so in late August when it became clear that
01:01:45
authorities had literally nothing on vandersloot Beth went to the Vander [ __ ] home actually intent on speaking
01:01:51
with yur's uh parents in a meeting that lasted nearly an hour and a half she learned that Juran was a senior at the
01:01:57
Dutch International School in Aruba he was actually a good student and a really popular Athlete on the School's football
01:02:03
and tennis teams which knowing what we know about him now it's wild that he was just like someone's teammate and like
01:02:11
somebody's good student yep that's so chilling to think about like just playing alongside this guy right the
01:02:20
Vander [ __ ] spent half uh the first half of the meeting praising their son and
01:02:24
denying that he would have anything to do with Natalie's disappearance which you can understand why they would think
01:02:30
that their son wouldn't have anything to do with this and hope that they wouldn't
01:02:34
but at a certain point his mother Anita did mention that though he had been an easy child in like his early childhood
01:02:41
years uran had become more difficult when he reached his teen years and very recently she uh said that he had been
01:02:47
seeing a psychiatrist Beth said she was saying that they were beginning to have trouble with Juran for a defiant
01:02:53
attitude the father acknowledged they could not control him he would sneak out go gambling in the pre-dawn hours they
01:02:58
had no control over him that's not good so sensing that the couple was still holding back a little bit uh Beth
01:03:05
decided to push a little bit harder she said I told paulus Vanderloo that he was
01:03:09
responsible for Aruba being trapped in hell until he came forward I told him his country would continue to be trapped
01:03:15
In Perpetual hell according to Beth paulus started at that point sweating profusely profusely to the point that
01:03:22
the his sweat was like pooling on the table and Anita had to go to the kitchen to get him a towel so at that point it
01:03:29
became pretty clear to Beth that they knew something or at the very least suspected that their son was capable of
01:03:35
having committed this crime it definitely does but unfortunately the meeting ultimately came to nothing a few
01:03:41
weeks later Beth attempted to get information from deepo CPO showing up at his workplace and demanding some kind of
01:03:48
answer but unfortunately that was also unsuccessful a few months later in February 2006 as the Press desperately
01:03:55
new interviewees and information on the hallway case yuran himself decided to capitalize on the moment and he agreed
01:04:03
to do interviews with actually several major news outlets in an interview with Chris Cuomo on ABC's prime time he
01:04:09
claimed he had met Natalie at the casino and planned to have sex with her after they left the bar he told Cuomo we were
01:04:16
planning on going to my house because she said she wanted to go to my house my intention was to take her to the house
01:04:21
to have sex with her so it's it's so clear what his motive was here he is solely focused on sleeping with Natalie
01:04:30
in previous accounts though he claimed he decided he on some accounts he did sleep with her other accounts he decided
01:04:38
not to because she was too drunk but this time the story changed yet again and he claimed I didn't have a condom
01:04:44
with me though in my wallet and I won't have sex with a girl without a condom oh
01:04:49
wow what a what a beacon of Honor it's like you already claimed that you did have sex with her then you said you
01:04:57
started to and you decided not to then you said no you never did and then you said no I didn't actually and there's a
01:05:03
reason why and it's like why are you allowed to say these hundred different stories yeah and everyone just has to
01:05:10
sit there and go okay like why it's it's and just frustrating to talk about a missing girl like this that one you knew
01:05:19
what you did to her and you knew why you did it because she didn't want to have sex with you exactly and it's like sit
01:05:25
there and be like and say that well she wanted to that's like just smearing her good name is she awful no she very much
01:05:32
didn't she knew what a pig you were mhm but another difference in this version of events was that Juran claimed Natalie
01:05:38
had been drinking previously he had said that but now all of a sudden he said he
01:05:42
actually didn't think she was drunk he claimed instead she seemed like she drank a lot but there's a difference
01:05:48
between somebody being absolutely drunk and someone actually having had a couple
01:05:52
drinks so before he if you remember said said she was so drunk to the point where
01:05:57
she was falling asleep and waking up and falling asleep and in that version of n
01:06:01
he claimed he did sleep with her yeah which is like wow and now you're saying I didn't sleep with her and actually she
01:06:06
wasn't even drunk no she actually I think she drank so much that a couple of drinks didn't do anything to her yeah no
01:06:12
she was just tired it's like you met this girl one time you don't know [ __ ] all about her and it's almost like he's
01:06:19
trying to see like prove and see how much he can get away with just [ __ ] around mhm like he's just in the media
01:06:28
saying a 100 different stories not keeping his [ __ ] straight being like but no one will do anything I can do this
01:06:36
and I think he enjoyed [ __ ] around I think he liked doing it mhm and for the most part he tried to use the interview
01:06:43
to make himself seem remorseful and like an unfortunate victim in the story I don't really know how well that worked
01:06:48
out for him on his first time meeting Beth he said all she said to me she screamed at me was tell me where my
01:06:54
daughter is I told her that I don't know oh I'm sorry that the mother of the girl
01:06:59
that you killed was asking where she was know where she was apologies when question as to why he lied when he was
01:07:05
first questioned he said he was scared and he felt ashamed he said I didn't want anyone to know I didn't want anyone
01:07:11
to know that I left her at the beach I lied because yeah I was scared I had a girlfriend at the time I didn't want my
01:07:16
dad to think bad of me I didn't want my friends to think bad of me baby a lot of
01:07:22
people think bad of you we all think the worst about you beyond the worst about you you got a reputation that
01:07:30
precedes you cuz somebody already told Beth that you have a reputation for praying on young tourists who are blonde
01:07:39
yeah so so good luck with that reputation think that was going to absolve you but in the years that
01:07:44
followed he continued making appearances on more talk shows in the US and internationally too for all the Talking
01:07:50
that was being done about the Natalie Holloway case there was again very little information or evidence in the
01:07:55
case but the suspicion around urine continued the suspicion really never went away and it's probably due to the
01:08:02
fact that his story about the night in question just kept changing over and over and over and at various points he
01:08:10
even confessed to having something to do with this and then would retract those confessions just devastating this family
01:08:16
I remember that too I remember that happening over and over again where it was like oh my God it's happening like
01:08:22
finally and then it was like just kidding actually no like a true sick evil individual like that's sadistic the
01:08:31
series of confessions and retractions came to a head in uh late March of 2010 when yuran contacted supposedly
01:08:37
contacted Beth's lawyer and offered to reveal the location of Natalie's body and to provide the details of her death
01:08:44
in exchange for $250,000 I just straight up extortion this this is awful yeah the lawyer went
01:08:52
uh went so far as to meet yuran in Aruba and he actually provided a payment of $110,000 followed then by a bank
01:08:58
transfer of $155,000 to an account in the Netherlands and in exchange yuran gave the lawyer an address of a house
01:09:05
where they could find the body he said unfortunately when local officials looked into the address that yuran had
01:09:11
provided it was determined that the house hadn't even been built when Natalie was missing that house didn't
01:09:16
even [ __ ] exist she's the [ __ ] worst so the extortion was reported to Interpol who conf uh who confronted
01:09:23
yuran with this information in the spring of that year and that's when he admitted he lied in an effort to extort
01:09:29
money from the family and it's like so we're not looking at that as like if you're capable of that like what else
01:09:36
are you capable of maybe we should look into you a little further nuts cuz if you're capable of
01:09:42
that and the fact what aren't you capable of this [ __ ] is capable of absolutely anything as we'll find out
01:09:48
we know he confesses to killing Natalie like for real like says what probably happened EX orted money from Beth
01:09:56
Holloway and then as we'll see that's not the end of it because given how long the public had been fascinated with
01:10:02
Natalie's disappearance the story probably would have been been big news the fact that he had extorted all this
01:10:08
money from the hallways but by then Juran was locked up in a Peruvian jail cell and was facing far more serious
01:10:14
charges the war of words between Natalie's family and arubin officials as well as the fights with the Vander [ __ ]
01:10:20
and several other officials dragged on in the public eye for years with little to show other than bitterness but then
01:10:26
on May 30th 2010 exactly exactly 5 years after Natalie's Disappearance in Aruba 21-year-old
01:10:35
Stephanie Flores Ramirez a business student went missing in Lima Peru and 3 days later her beaten and bloodied body
01:10:42
was found in a Lima hotel room registered to one y in Vander slute 5 years to the exact day that Natalie went
01:10:52
missing and it's like how that can't be a coincidence no not at all on June 3rd 2010 yuran was arrested near Santiago
01:11:01
Chile and extradited back to Peru for questioning when police asked how it was that Stephanie wound up with a broken
01:11:08
neck in his hotel room he was very evasive but insisted I've been framed oh okay okay yeah that makes sense wow what
01:11:16
bad luck you have truly this is where it gets really outrageous according to him
01:11:21
the entire thing was a sting operation organized by the FBI in order to capture him and bring him
01:11:27
back to the US to face extortion charges they planted a woman's dead body in your hotel room in Peru to get you
01:11:36
back to the US this guy is beyond what [ __ ] sense would that even make zero like the answer is zero zero sense
01:11:46
but according to him according to Vander slute he was contacted by a man who referred to himself as Garcia and
01:11:52
offered to cover all his travel expenses accommodations and the entrance fee of $10,000 for a poker tournament but he
01:11:58
needed to meet him in Chile he told a Dutch reporter Mr Garcia arranged and paid for every and paid for everything
01:12:05
for me looking back I can't believe I let myself be lured I hardly knew that guy it was just an FBI
01:12:11
setup I love that he's like I'm smarter than that it's like you're not like what
01:12:16
you're not then when a reporter specifically asked about why a dead woman was found in his room he only said
01:12:23
what happened exactly I will explain later oh yeah don't worry everybody will just hang around while you do that like
01:12:29
don't worry take your time I thought this that you knew what happened I thought it was all a setup but why can't
01:12:34
you explain that now you already you know all of that you're saying all of that already this is a boy who has
01:12:40
gotten away with [ __ ] his whole life he's a pathological liar gets what he wants get out gets out of what he wants
01:12:47
yep what he doesn't want proved to the world that he could change his story a 100,000 times on broadcast television
01:12:56
and that nothing could be done about it that he could just say [ __ ] after [ __ ]
01:13:00
after [ __ ] that he could lure a poor grieving family on a wild goose chase and extort them for money mhm and that
01:13:09
he gets nothing so he thinks he's Untouchable yeah he'll just change his story 100 100 times this one too and
01:13:15
then he'll go somewhere else and he'll do the same thing mhm he was I guarantee you this piece of [ __ ] was going to keep
01:13:22
doing this in every country that he possibly could 100 just pop around the world doing this but
01:13:27
luckily he was in a Peruvian jail cell because he actually ended up confessing to murdering Stephanie according to his
01:13:34
confession he met her while playing poker and around 5:00 a.m. on May 30th they went back to his room he says
01:13:39
intending to have sex but then Stephanie realized his connection to the Natalie Holloway case oh and he murdered her he
01:13:47
told investigators the girl intruded into my private life she had no right I went I went to her and I HIIT her we
01:13:53
argued and she tried to escape I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her that's also not your private life
01:14:00
that's not that's literally you went on several news station interviews and talked about it that's not private
01:14:06
anymore you opened that up to the entire world the entire place of Earth knows yeah but okay in the months that
01:14:14
followed though he then flatly rejected this version of events claiming he only signed the confession under duress he
01:14:20
said during the original interrogations I was very frightened and confused and I
01:14:24
wanted to leave they were telling me all the time if you sign these papers you'll
01:14:28
be extradited to the Netherlands in my blind panic I then signed everything but I did not even know what was written
01:14:34
down well then that's stupid too yeah if that if that is the case then you're a dumb you read things before you signed
01:14:41
them but I also I don't no not for not for even a quarter of a millisecond I don't believe you at all his claims of
01:14:49
an FBI sting operation may have been persuasive to some Dutch readers but it didn't explain why if Stephanie's body
01:14:55
had been planted in his hotel room he was discovered to be in possession of her wallet and national ID card or why
01:15:03
his fingerprints were found in her vehicle they planted all that totally yeah yeah deatha yep but when it came to
01:15:09
those and many other facts the Peruvian authorities were even less interested in
01:15:13
his claims of a setup after over a year yeah exactly they were like [ __ ] right
01:15:18
they like [ __ ] this guy after over a year spent waiting in a jail cell in Lima he finally appeared before a judge
01:15:23
in January of 2012 to face the charges of murder in the case of Stephanie Flores Ramirez
01:15:29
according to the prosecutor when Flores discovered Vander [ __ ] connection to the hallay case she hit him in the face
01:15:35
and attempted to flee at which point he hit her in the face with his elbow knocking her unconscious and while he
01:15:42
was on the floor he attempted to strangle Stephanie but when that proved to be too difficult he suffocated her
01:15:48
with her own shirt he's this girl a monster found out like figured who she was in a room with and was like get me
01:15:57
the [ __ ] out of here rightfully so absolutely she was probably terrified I can't imagine her last moment it's
01:16:03
horrible that's awful but this time there was no story of a setup Juran pleaded guilty to robbing and murdering
01:16:09
Stephanie Flores and was sentenced to 28 years in prison and was also ordered to
01:16:14
pay a fine of roughly $75,000 to her relatives at the conclusion of his sentence he was to be deported from Peru
01:16:22
so rewinding a little bit in between all of that to 2011 Y and Vander slute was sitting in the Peruvian jail cell for
01:16:30
suspected being suspected of killing Stephanie Flores and the American Media had really largely moved on from the
01:16:36
Natalie Holloway story given all that they'd been through Dave and Beth holway reluctantly agreed it was very much time
01:16:43
to face the very real possibility that their daughter wasn't going to be found yeah I mean what do what can you do you
01:16:50
know what do you do yeah so in June Dave filed a petition with the Alabama Court
01:16:54
to have Natalie declared legally dead which I can't imagine having to go to the court to do that yeah because
01:17:03
something nobody should ever have to do for their loved one because like you don't know what happened to them you
01:17:08
have no idea what happened you don't know where they are and you don't have them no they're not coming back you
01:17:12
don't have a place to visit them but no like it's horrific yeah the family obviously still held out hope that
01:17:18
Natalie would be found but they did also believe that this was probably the first
01:17:21
step towards some kind of semblance of moving on yeah and just putting the seemingly endless searches heartbreak
01:17:29
and international fights behind them mhm so in January of 2012 actually just one
01:17:34
day after yuran pleaded guilty to murdering Stephanie Flores Ramirez judge Alan King signed the Declaration in a
01:17:40
closed hearing and Natalie Holloway was officially pronounced deceased which so sad the timeline of all of this like the
01:17:47
fact that he murdered Stephanie on the 5year anniversary of Natalie being gone and then
01:17:55
that she also is declared dead one day after he was convicted just like all of that timeline is so it's it's bizarre
01:18:05
like it's scary the timeline yeah Dave Holloway said though we've been dealing with her death for the last 6 and a half
01:18:11
years we've still got a long way to go to get Justice that Justice would still be a long way off but in time it would
01:18:18
finally come after years of negotiations between the FBI and proven authorities yuran Vander slute was extra inded to
01:18:25
Birmingham Alabama to stand trial for his attempted extortion of Beth back in 2010 he maintained that he was innocent
01:18:32
of those charges in his interview with Dutch reporters in 2010 though he actually admitted to the extortion
01:18:39
saying I wanted to get back at Natalie's family her parents have been making my life tough for 5 years when they offered
01:18:45
to pay for the girl's location I thought why not why not this m with this dead girl's
01:18:51
family who I know that I killed they've been making my life tough oh your life is tough are you you get away with
01:18:58
everything you just get to walk around you get to do whatever the [ __ ] you want
01:19:02
you get to [ __ ] everybody knowing exactly where she is and they're living in like a pit of suffering every second
01:19:08
of every day but you thought why not get some money out of this yeah boohoo for you on June 9th he was charged with one
01:19:13
count of wire fraud and one count of extortion to which he pleaded not guilty according to the original affidavit
01:19:19
Vander slot had claimed that he killed Natalie accidentally and that his father helped him dispose of the body
01:19:25
despite his insistence that he was innocent though in October of 2023 yuran agreed to a plea deal in
01:19:32
which he would receive a 20-year sentence for each of the fraud charges to be served concurrent with his
01:19:37
sentence for the Flora's murder on the condition that he tell the authorities what happened the night that Natalie
01:19:42
went missing in his statement which was verified by a polygraph examination Juran said he offered Natalie a ride
01:19:49
back to her her hotel the night that she went missing as he had originally told authorities but he said he wanted to
01:19:55
spend more time with her he said she asked to go back to her hotel but I was just trying to get dropped off a little
01:20:01
bit further away from her hotel so we could uh walk back to her hotel and I might still get a chance to be with her
01:20:08
he's so disgusting what that translates into is she said I want to go back to my
01:20:13
hotel and he said no I want to do something else and decided to take that Advantage but once they were at the
01:20:20
beach yuran began groping Natalie and she resisted his advances because she just wanted to go home yeah she just
01:20:27
wanted to go back to the hotel this is a little graphic he said it's very graphic
01:20:33
he said I started feeling her up and she tells me no she tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up he said then
01:20:38
Natalie need him in the crotch sending him into a blind Rage which good for her that's what you [ __ ] do when
01:20:45
somebody's touching you and you don't want to be touched [ __ ] that guy he continued when she kns me in the crotch
01:20:50
uh I get up uh on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in the face she's laying down unconscious possibly even
01:20:57
dead but definitely unconscious still angry over the rejection he then grabbed a large cinder block that was laying on
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the ground nearby and hit Natalie in the face with it several times he told the prosecutor this is very graphic trigger
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warning her face basically collapses in even though it's dark I can still see her face has collapsed in he's so
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[ __ ] disgusting just to say that so matter of a fact that her face collaps in because she didn't want to have sex
01:21:27
with you or she didn't want you even to touch her in that way so foul you don't get to do whatever the [ __ ] you want to
01:21:34
do you don't get to touch girls that don't want to be touched he thinks he can who the [ __ ] are you and he's had
01:21:40
ample time and ample Pro evidence around him to think that he can do whatever the
01:21:45
[ __ ] he wants whatever he wants exactly and it's so gross I just I I don't understand that that thought process of
01:21:53
just thinking you get to do whatever the [ __ ] you want to do he definitely added
01:21:56
in that note of I kicked her extremely hard in the face and maybe she died and I'm like you didn't no no like I you
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know that was him trying to like he thinks he's like Macho here oh yeah for this whole thing no and it's like you're
01:22:11
disgusting he's a demented string bean exactly once he was convinced that Natalie was dead though he said he then
01:22:17
dragged her body out into the water and pushed her into the ocean ensuring that her remains would never be
01:22:22
found I don't know if I believe that I think probably ultimately but I don't know I it's so hard to believe anything
01:22:30
he says it feels like that is probably what he did because it was the simplest solution to his problem
01:22:39
yeah and it was right behind him you're not I don't see him going through a lot of trouble yeah I see him looking behind
01:22:47
him seeing the ocean and being like well she'll never be found it's just and she
01:22:51
wasn't it's so sad that she was never it's it's Aruba the s there's all kinds of things unfortunately that is the
01:22:58
easiest method of getting rid of that's so stupid I didn't even think of like sharks I was like but when search and
01:23:05
rescue looked like they didn't find a body I'm sure that was that's awful and he knew that mhm he lived in Aruba he
01:23:12
knows the the terrain he knows the waters he knows what's in those Waters yeah he knew that once she was in there
01:23:18
and I mean with blood and such like she's that's it that's awful yeah well per the per the terms of the deal
01:23:27
he made with the prosecutor uran wouldn't be charged for Natalie's murder which is awful such a travesty he would
01:23:35
never be held legally responsible for her death but although the statue of limitations for murder in Aruba is 12
01:23:42
years it had La since pass how was there a statute of limitations on murder I don't get that yeah I don't understand
01:23:48
that that one doesn't make sense to me yeah it doesn't make sense for me either but even though the the statue of
01:23:55
limitations had long since passed the Aruban authorities did release a statement saying that they were going to
01:24:00
keep the investigation open and asked us officials for copies of documents pertaining to Vander [ __ ] confession
01:24:06
well that's good in their statement a spokesperson uh for the Arubas prosecutor's office said they would
01:24:12
review and analyze the materials quote before deciding on procedural steps for Dave and Beth Hol Yan's confession was
01:24:20
bittersweet I guess you could say Beth said even with this confession he can't be tried here for Natalie's murder but I
01:24:26
am satisfied knowing he did it he did it alone and he disposed of her alone but still the hearing meant that finally
01:24:32
after 18 years of uncertainty the Holloway's pursuit of Justice had finally come to an end in her Victim
01:24:38
Impact statement Beth addressed yuran saying you finally admitted that in fact you murdered her you terminated her
01:24:44
dreams her potential her possibilities when you bludgeoned her to death in 2005 you didn't get what you wanted from
01:24:50
Natalie your sexual satisfaction so you brutally killed her you are the one in Aruba no one wants to
01:24:56
be the black mark on the island which is that was a great statement it gives me chills all the way down to my legs cuz
01:25:05
that's what it goes back to it's not a Ruba it's not a Ruba it's you and the problem she said that in her statement
01:25:13
to the Press following the hearing Beth gave a statement on uh about the confession on behalf of the family
01:25:18
saying it's just blistering to your soul and it hurts so deeply but you know you're there in a functionality role
01:25:24
because this is the moment that I've been searching for for 18 years even as hard as it is to hear it's still not as
01:25:29
torturous as the not knowing it was time for me to know yeah I mean the not knowing cuz then your mind must be a
01:25:37
perfect way to describe it because the unknown is way worse exactly you know but then you hear this and then
01:25:47
you're like is it and but but but even that like even the is it you're like you hear this and you're like that's what my
01:25:54
child's last moments were yeah like that's got to be a whole that I'm sure that opened up a whole other flood of
01:26:01
grief absolutely you weren't even sure existed because now you've got these horrific details and then you have to
01:26:08
heal from that first you have to now you have to heal from that where and I'm sure you never actually heal but you
01:26:13
have to work on the process of somehow coming to terms with the fact that this happened in your life and this happened
01:26:19
to your child and the fact that she's missing that you don't know what happened and then you find out what
01:26:24
happened and then you have to come to terms with that yeah I mean I don't wish that on my worst enemy that's a awful
01:26:32
awful sentence to have to endure in life it is on November 1st 2023 yuran Vander
01:26:38
slute was returned to Peru to finish serving his sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores Ramirez he's actually
01:26:44
set to be released from pervy in prison in 2043 when he will be 56 years old at which point he will be deported from
01:26:52
Peru in the event that he's released before that projected date he will be sent to Alabama to finish his ex uh his
01:26:58
sentence for the extortion on Beth Holloway per that plea deal that he made with us
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authorities but still he could if he gets out of prison at 56 years old that's scary and that's wild that's
01:27:14
young that's still very much capable of inflicting even more pain on even more like how is he just getting away with
01:27:22
killing two women and he admitted to killing Natalie but will never be legally held responsible for that none
01:27:29
of that makes sense to me and unless I don't know it was a little confusing like what Aruba would do because they
01:27:36
the the statue of limitations is what did I say 15 years but they said they were going to keep the case open so I
01:27:43
don't so maybe they're making a special I don't know how that works yeah I'm not
01:27:47
I'm not sure if maybe he could face charges there at some point it's a little unclear why doesn't everybody
01:27:53
just throw some Char just at him honestly keep them in there who's going to hopefully he just like something
01:28:01
happens in in I don't want him to get out of person yeah I don't want him to get out of there either I just don't
01:28:05
want him to be able to exist outside of those walls well who's going to what country is going to be like yeah you can
01:28:10
live here yeah come on in I I remember we covered a case once where somebody did get out of prison for doing
01:28:17
something awful and I think they went to Florida and Florida was like no you can't stay here yeah Florida was like
01:28:21
get out yeah yeah so I could see that happening yeah I wonder like how how that all works but hopefully we never
01:28:28
have to find out yeah seriously and I just I really feel for this family for all that they went through but like I
01:28:34
said um definitely check out that documentary that I mentioned at the top it's on peacock and that will most
01:28:40
likely be our next episode as a follow-up um lots of information and yes he's going to be an interesting person
01:28:46
to talk to exactly yeah so with that being said we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we we but never
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ever as weird as your in Vander SLO because that's not weird that's deranged [ __ ] that
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