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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid this is morbid I kind of said my
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name weird I was like ash sounded like I had really big veneers in this is this is
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as this is ass you guys this ass this is ass you guys um no we wanted to start out again
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um I don't know when this comes out that you know that's going to be a running theme for a few months uh I don't know
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where this is going to come out but we just wanted to say to everybody in the LA area yeah we're so sorry that we are
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so sorry and it is literally the scariest thing to watch from the other side of the country I can't imagine I
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can't imagine being there it's it's so apocalyptic looking and it must feel that way to lose absolutely everything
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and then to see firefighters are just on another level they truly are what and to
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see them stacking up photo albums like that I was just going to say that it's gut-wrenching it's truly is think that's
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like all some people are going to have left it's a badass Community though it looks like cuz everybody's pulling
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together and hopefully you know rebuild and and get it all back to where you know some semblance of where it was
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we're going to try to do something to help yeah we're working on something right now we just don't want to say
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anything before we get the uh we don't want preemptively we're going to try to do something but we just wanted to tell
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you guys like we're thinking of you we love you we work with a lot of people in La we have friends in La we have loved
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ones there so like we're thinking of you we're sending you Good Vibes and we're sorry are I'm sorry that you're probably
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hearing this so late yeah I was going to say and I'm sorry if this sounds like weird coming weeks later but we we're
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still thinking of you yeah we just wanted to say something anyways no matter how late it was yeah just so you
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know in the moment that we're thinking of you yeah um but also one of the uh one thing we wanted to say before this
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began was like on a happy note we're so happy that you guys um seem to really Vibe with episode 638 I believe it is
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our our last episode I don't know if it's our last it's not our last few I don't know what the [ __ ] is going on
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guys I just know that you vibed with an episode you vibed with the episode the crash of iguanian air um Air flight 571
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that was a great story it obviously like gut-wrenching but I think people really
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liked the the survival of it all well and I it seemed like you guys were like first of all thanks for saying like that
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was a great episode like that I think Dave did an amazing job with the research on that episode the story is
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just like such a harrowing story and I was really excited to tell it in a way that was a little different and kind of
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didn't didn't go didn't go so hard on the uh salacious what people see as the salacious aspects of it yeah you
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highlighted more of the actual important details but thank you for recognizing that and thank you for letting us know
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how much you liked it that was very nice to see and I think you guys really vibed
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with how uh it was an episode about people like coming together to overcome seemingly impossible ODS in a terrible
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terrible horrible no good situation that seemed to have no positive like Silver Lining whatsoever but because they
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worked together and they stayed together they were able to get out of it topical
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and I think that's important everybody work together let's all work together Let's Stay Together let's be
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kind to each other to let's take care of each other and lean on each other lean on each other that's all that's all
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we're saying we're not going to get into a big thing I'm just saying like let's all just work together here yeah
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becausein cuz look at what what terrible situation these people were able to get
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out of just by never giving up never laying down and accepting what they thought their fate was no how hopeless
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they insurmountable the odds seemed the word insurmountable is just popping up in my life a lot lately
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really and I just love it it's a I love words I know I do too like words are great I get I know that that sounds like
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a stupid St well you're an author so it doesn't but I just really like words no I do too certain words I also get an
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email every day with a word of the day if you'd like me to tell you about it later I got you let me just tell you
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about it right now tell me about it now maybe somebody else listening wants to get this email that's word of the day
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let me find it it's fun that's one of the reasons because I'm telling you know it's 2025 why don't we just get like
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really viby here for a minute uh cuz it's going to get really dark in a couple minutes uh but
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2025 guys read read a lot of books get off of social media get off of the Doom scrolling it's turned into kind of [ __ ]
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storm on there anyways read some books I'm telling you you're going to like once you get in the vibe and you find a
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genre you like or you find like an author you really like or just a Vibe of book you like you're going to come out
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of each book being like [ __ ] I'm one I learned something two I felt [ __ ] and
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three you're going to know new different words you're going to you're going to come out of there with some vocab
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excellence and that's fun and that's and you just get to drop a new word yes I love it um if you can't find me on
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Instagram right now I ran for the hills I am not on Instagram anymore just to unplug I don't know you know I might
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go back I might go back I I don't know where I just went with that I might go back at some point but it just was it
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didn't feel great and um I I was following people that I didn't make the choice to follow so that was weird yeah
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that's a thing so but it's you know what this new year I think like we all like especially in the Pod lab I feel like we
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all and actually in this house cuz like John was that way too we all had these like just thoughts of like you know what
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I'm unplugging yeah I'm taking a step back from all this like you know internet social media Hil storm that's
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happening and just like enjoying the small more and I think everybody needs to that
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a little bit grass I'm going to touch it SNS but it gives you more time to do things that make you happy and actually
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feed you and speaking of things that make us happy back to words hell yeah today's word of the day is I don't know
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how to pronounce it yet I haven't listened but it's oh it's bringing me to another voice hello it is sedulous
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sedulous O and that means showing dedication and diligence is an adjective is it sigils or
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sedulous it's sedulous oh okay I've never heard that one s e d u l o u s sedulous what is this this uh this
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Outlet that's sending you these words every day cuz maybe people want that word daily that's very easy to remember
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so word daily I guess if you want a word of a of the day things like that they're
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going to make that's the thing the internet can be great and these are the things that the internet is great for
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let's find the great thing I love it yeah um so yeah that was a lot of you know good stuff yeah and here's a lot of
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bad stuff I'm sorry we're on part three so the good news is this is the end he you know we get to see RNE piece the
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[ __ ] out go to jail and then eventually die which is awesome he's going to shuffle right off this Mortal coil get
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the [ __ ] off this coil we were all behind him pushing them off bye bye so quick recap of part two for you Rodney
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ended up serving less than three years for the attack on T shapira which isg [ __ ] insane and he was back prowling
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on the streets in no time with zero regard for being on parole he had no regard for being on parole and parole
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had no regard that he was on Parole which I think is why he had no regard for being on parole because if you don't
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see the parole people having any regard you're like why should I there was just no regard to be found yeah the regards
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were in short supply back then I the regard was not in the room with us or anyone no one could find it uh in
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between brutal attacks and murders he made his appearance on the dating game which we've talked about a couple times
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horrifying uh you know he left his lasting impression on Cheryl Bradshaw there and even another contestant one of
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the other bachelors and if you look at him in those clips she they were right on Target in
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the you look at him and you're like gross there's something just gross about him skevy yeah and finally he was
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apprehended yet again where he actually confessed to assaulting and raping a 15-year-old Monique ho who bravely
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escaped and told police everything that happened to her yet for some reason he he was released on a ridiculous $10,000
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bail instead of the prosecutor's $50,000 request so his mother posted that bail and again I feel like I've said this 400
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times throughout the series Rodney was back out on the streets yep insane yep we're still really short on the regard
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no regards so a few weeks later after he posted bail and was back home with Mom he gave his notice to the LA uh times
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where he was working remember oh yeah so effective May 12th he would be unemployed and he told his employee that
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he wanted to focus on his photography and he was actually thinking of moving up north yeah you know he's an artist
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yeah an artist it's not that he's you know facing serious jail time or anything like that no just artist while
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Rodney was finishing out his last days at the Times 21-year-old Jill parento was settling into her new apartment in
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Burbank she's super excited just to start her new independent life a few months earlier she had started a job as
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a computer key punch operator she was making good money she had everything going for she was just really enjoying
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like I said being out on her own her independence on June 13th Jill's sister Dee called to find out what Jill was
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doing that night if she wanted to hang out or something but Jill said that she had a date to go to a Dodgers game with
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Dan Brady and Dan Bry was somebody that she had known since high school so this wasn't crazy but the next morning Jill's
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friend Cathy waited by the phone to hear about the date she was anxious to hear how everything went they called each
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other to check in before work almost every single day but Jill never called so Kathy thought it was a little bit
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weird but she assumed you know maybe Jill just went into work earlier that morning and I'll check in with her later
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yeah but hours later nobody had heard from Jill which was very out of character and her friends and family
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were starting to get pretty concerned so not content to just sit around and wait
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to hear something her friend Janet Jordan went straight to Jill's apartment to check on her J poor Janet yeah poor
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Janet she had barely entered the apartment and made her way up to Jill's bedroom when she saw Jill's body on the
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floor she was lying face up she was nude and she had been beaten severely Janet just ran out of there and ran to the
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closest phone to call the police Burbank detective Gordon Bowers was the first to
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arrived to the apartment and he was met by Janet who was so upset that she could
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barely even speak I cuz one of the things you have to think about is she probably thought oh [ __ ] the person's
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probably still in this house yeah like this the range of emotions and fear you would feel oh yeah there's immediate
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fight or flight and flight would absolutely kick in so she was so upset she could barely talk additional
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officers arrived a few minutes later and the first thing they noticed was that and this is so [ __ ] terrifying and
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creepy the screen on the window facing the Courtyard at her apartment complex had been cut vertically and horizontally
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making a large hole so that like a person could fit through oh could literally just like open open it up
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spread it aside and just get right in holy [ __ ] and then they also noticed that the light bulb in the stairwell
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leading to Jill's door had been unscrewed what the [ __ ] that's like strangers literally The Strangers type
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[ __ ] inside the apartment nothing appeared to be out of the ordinary obviously aside from what you know Jill
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being dead in the apartment her purse lay on the table next to her Dodgers ticket stub and program and nothing
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seemed to be missing though the medical examiner confirmed the obvious Jill had been violently sexually assaulted she
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was beaten she was strangled there was severe trauma to her nose cheeks her teeth and even her head and there were
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visible ligature marks around her neck which were caused by the cord from an electric blanket that had been twisted
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around her throat he is so [ __ ] like brutal like he's just so violent yeah like it's the beating and a lot of times
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it doesn't even seem like he came with something to strangle people with he just finds something nearby cuz a lot of
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times it's like you know their tights that they were wearing and in this case it's like an electrical cord blanket she
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probably just had you know a heated blanket laying around and that's what he uses just on the Fly CU I think it's
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like the beating he knows he's going to administer he doesn't need to bring anything with him yeah that's so scary
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it's he just incapacitates somebody enough to go find something in their own house which is even like another level
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of yeah I don't even know what the word is yeah now nearly everything in the bedroom from the walls to the clothing
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scattered around the floor was splattered with blood everywhere in the autopsy report the medical examiner
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noted significant pulling or striking blunt traumas to the head by an object broader than a hammer holy [ __ ] so that
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caused extensive scalp hemorrhages there were also quote deep scratches around both breasts tooth marks and puncture
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wounds below the left nipple and cuts on the left side of the left breast he's like he's seriously a wild animal
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when you really stop to think about what these attacks must be like yeah it is beyond your wildest nightmare he's rabid
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yeah he doesn't even seem like a human no the ultimate cause of death was the ligature strangulation so you imagine
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that and I hate to even like you know go further into this but you imagine he is
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beating his victims viciously yeah he's attacking them with his teeth with his hands with some object bigger than a
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hammer and the ultimate cause of death is strangulation so they're alive while he's inflicting all that pain and just
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trauma onto them yeah it's awful the killer had also left fluids on and inside the body and there was
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additional blood evidence found on the window sill leading investigators to believe that actually the killer had cut
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himself when he broke into the apartment so at least that was good that they had
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that evidence detectives in La had barely started processing the evidence at this
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scene when on June 20th A call came into the Huntington Beach Police Department the caller Maryann Fraser explained that
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her 12-year-old daughter Robin samso had left the house earlier that day uh but she hadn't been seen or heard from since
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leaving her friend's house on her bicycle that afternoon which is so typical yeah just of course going out on
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a bike ride with your friend at that time it was very common for kids to be reported missing only to turn up a
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couple days later though having run away but in his statement to the Press Lieutenant Bruce young told reporters
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Robin is a quote very dependable child who had no history of being a runaway and had never been in any trouble of
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this nature before this was not like [Music] her a few days into the investigation of
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Robin's disappearance Huntington Beach Police got a call from Dana crappa a forestry service firefighter who thought
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she might have actually seen Robin on the day she went missing according to crappa she was on her way to work that
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afternoon and she was driving up Santa Anita Canyon Road when she saw a datson F10 station wagon parked at a local
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turnout area and she remembered the car because she had actually nearly collided
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headon with a similar vehicle a few days earlier oh wow which was weird as she got closer she said she saw a darkhaired
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man forcefully steering quote unquote a blonde girl into the woods toward a dry Riverbank she said she said it was less
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alarming than it was unusual so she I was like I feel like that would be how is that not alarming I feel like that
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would be both alarming and unusual yeah so she kept driving and she ignored what
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she saw it had completely left her thoughts by the time she reached her destination that's wild and it wasn't
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until she saw the notices about the missing girl that she remembered the incident at the time of her phone call
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police had just reported that they were quote no further ahead in the investigation than they were a week ago
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so the call from this forestry firefighter was the first Real Lead that they had Lieutenant young described the
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suspect as a quote man in his 30s 5'1 to 6 feet tall with collar length dark curly hair the description of that man
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seen by crappa matched those given by Robin's friends who actually said a man had approached them earlier that day on
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the beach and asked if he could take their pictures oh so all of the the description of him the man that krappa
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saw and the description by Robin's friends all are lining up y on July 2nd William popi a member of the forest uh
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service spraying crew was clearing brush near the Chantry flat campground near the Sierra Madre Foothills and he came
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across skeletonized human remains that were scattered across the Ravine according to his report and this is a
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little brutal the skull was separated from the neck and the lower teeth were fractured it almost looked to him like
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the individual had been struck in the face with a hard object oh God and she was 12 12 years old when the medical
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examiner arrived to remove the body he noted that the left foot and Portion quote unquote portions of the hands were
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missing Jesus Christ yeah by the time the body was discovered the scene had been thoroughly trampled by Wildlife so
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that was going to explain some of that but still investigators found critical evidence near the body including a can
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cut brand kitchen knife with blood droplets on it and a beach towel with wipe stains of what was eventually
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determined to be type A blood oh nearby there was additional blood evidence found among a pile of rocks and leaves
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but there was no clothing found at the scene other than one tennis shoe that bore the name Robin on the inside oh God
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just one tennis shoe the name in the shoe prompted investigators to check dental records of Robin samso which
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would end up being a match for those remains that's [ __ ] terrible 12 years old 12 years old the medical examiner
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would uh later conclude actually that the most likely cause of death in Robin's death was stabbing holy [ __ ]
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yeah given the advanced decm it was pretty impossible for the medical examiner to determine if Robin had been
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sexually assaulted but investigators in Huntington Beach strongly suspected that
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this was their Killer's motive detective Ron Jenkins said we're assuming Robin was sexually assaulted and this guy is
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going to do it again holy [ __ ] yeah well while the medical examiner had been unable to determine the exact cause of
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death cuz he thought maybe stabbing but he couldn't be sure investigators were treating it as a homicide no matter what
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Jenkins told a reporter from the LA Times I don't think a healthy 12-year-old girl walked 50 miles to the
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hills and then just laid down and died uh no no I think we can safely say that definitely not and also how crazy is it
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that while Rodney alala was working at the LA Times these cases were H like people were reporting on these cases
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while he works while he's working there which is just nuts to he probably loved it oh yeah of course he did I'm sure
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they were all talking about it and he was yeah so excited about it now the strongest lead investigators had was the
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description of the Man scene at the beach and then later with Robin near the area where her body was discovered but
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the problem was that description also matched thousands of people in California and didn't really help
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investigators narrow down their pool of suspects detective Jenkins said I've had
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50 calls from Laguna Beach to Santa Monica about this who this guy is since we put out the description of him if I
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had 50 people we could check all these guys in one day but there's only so many of us so we have to put the names in
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some sort of priority that's so that that's what's so sad to me is when it's like a resources thing yeah where it's
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like we could check all these we just don't have enough people we don't have that Manpower investigators also asked
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for the Public's help in locating the bike that Robin had been riding when she disappeared it wasn't found at the scene
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and it hadn't been seen since she left her friend's house that afternoon fortunately Jenkins and his
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team of investigators would not have to wait long for the Public's help a few days after they released the sketch of
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the suspect Officer Dennis MCN contacted the Huntington Beach Division and reported that the sketch and the
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description of the suspect matched a perole Le that he had on his case load a few years back and his name was Rodney
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Alcala so we love a parole officer finally coming through thank goodness yeah according time it's about time
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according to MCN Alcala had a history as a child molester and a quote known penion for prant photography of children
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Jesus Christ it's disgusting he's a [ __ ] monster and not only that but he strongly resembled the sketch that
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police had released and it turned out that officer MCN was not alone in his belief a few days later Donald Haynes
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which if you remember that name he's the Good Samaritan who reported the assault
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on T Shapiro he called the tip line to report that the in the sketch strongly resembled alala who he remembered from
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The Assault on T Donald T's Good Samaritan of the [ __ ] Century the fact that he he the fact that he was
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following this and was like oh no that's the guy and I'm going to make sure they
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know that like a lot of people and it sounds sad but it's like a lot of people wouldn't they don't want to get
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themselves they want to get re-involved they don't want to like deal with it again this guy was like nah [ __ ] this
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guy that's the thing we tell that the for story way more often than the latter of Donald P absolutely it's incredible
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damn I feel like he I hope he was like the head of his neighborhood watch because I would feel so safe with that
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man says my neighbor I hope he just thrived I also I should look I I don't know why I didn't already I should look
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and see if he got some kind of reward because he absolutely should have yeah some kind of acknowledgement he's
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adorable by the way oh yeah yeah he just he looks like an adorable old man I feel
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like good people who are like have good insid sometimes it like really shines it's true but based on the tips from the
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public his criminal history and the fact that he was known to frequent the area where Robins remains were discovered
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investigators were granted a warrant for alcohol's arrest and a warrant to search
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his home and his car on July 24th detectives arrived at alcala's Mother's house for the 457th time that's me being
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hyperbolic but barely but like not really barely they found Rodney just chilling in his bedroom and took him
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into custody without incident during their search of the house though they found a considerable amount of
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photography equipment and photographs as well as a receipt for a storage locker in Seattle ooh yeah which I never knew
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that detail of this case that there was a whole storage locker full of nefy as [ __ ] I had no idea they also found a
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cane Cut Knife Set interestingly enough but it seemed as though none of the knives were missing from the set but
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still interesting other item sees that day included a pair of handcuffs this is disgusting eight issues of a magazine
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which I don't know how it got into publication but it's called young and naked magazine are you [ __ ] kidding
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me y get get it together disgusting get it [ __ ] together they found a leather bull whip and over 1,000 photos
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negatives and slides Jesus Christ mhm he was booked on suspicion of murder though
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he claimed that on the afternoon that Robin went missing he was at nottsbury Farm amusement park being interviewed
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for a photography job job oh you're at an amusement park that's good isn't that interesting that's disgusting regardless
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of his supposed Alibi he was put into a Huntington Beach jail cell and his bail was set out of
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$250,000 a sum far beyond his mother's Reach This Time thank goodness thank goodness mom can't come bail this [ __ ]
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out honestly mom should be ashamed of herself yeah I'm glad you said it cuz I completely agree yeah you just I don't
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like you can agree or not I whatever but there's there's a certain time when when
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they have to face the music when the police continuously come to your home saying your son is accused of doing this
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crazy ass [ __ ] you can't enable a child who is a grown adult now it's not like
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they're a child it's not like you're saving a child from you know yeah this is a grown adult he's making stupid
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decisions and he's hurting people it's time to start holding him accountable for it well and it's not like the police
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just came and said oh you know he's a suspect he's a suspect he's a suspect that happened but also he was convicted
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multiple times of that's the thing horrible horrible crimes yeah like and that's the thing it's like it's time to
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start letting letting the justice system hold him accountable yeah so a few days
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after his arrest alcala's sister came to visit him in the in the Huntington Beach
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jail during their conversation guards overheard Rodney and his sister talking about a storage unit in Seattle and they
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heard him say to her do me a favor get the stuff out of there get it cleared out holy [ __ ] you didn't think anyone
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was listening to your conversation prison sir like really okay he's like I bet this is totally like off the Record
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no one's going to hear this no one's listening you know prison is a place where no one hears anything it's cool
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the calls aren't wired or anything like that not tapped no but intrigued at the thought of what alala could be hiding in
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his storage locker detectives Ed McLaren and Craig Robinson got a warrant to search that unit and they flew right
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over to Seattle when they reached the storage shed however they found that it was locked with not one but two padlocks
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fortunately they had brought along with them two keys discovered in a briefcase that was seized from alcala's mother's
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house and when they tried them in the locks they worked oh [ __ ] can you imagine how that must have felt cuz you
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they probably had those two keys and were like who knows what actually go to yeah and then boom Oh my God to hear
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that lock click must have been the most exhilarating and terrifying moment yes of any of their lives cuz you're like a
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double like we're going to find evidence we can nail this [ __ ] like this is our
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time we horrifying what the [ __ ] are we going to find in here yeah inside the storage unit McLaren and Robinson
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discovered what appeared to be an assortment of personal belongings including cold weather clothing kitchen
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wear more than 1,700 photographs oh God a large number of photos slide carousels
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including one marked and this is awful T VA rape I am so glad that this [ __ ] died
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same and I hope it was so painful awful I hope it was an awful death I hope he felt every second of every horrific
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feeling one could possibly feel I hope Rodney alala got the same kind of experience that angelis had on Buffy yes
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where the soul suddenly hits and every bad thing you've ever done rushes like I hope yeah he had to feel every bad thing
00:27:56
he's ever done yeah and the simultaneous feeling of like a bunch of nails lifting
00:28:01
his fingernails yeah I hope that's what I hope uh they also found another um photos slide Carousel that was marked
00:28:10
owed to New York by John Berger so boom Alias wow dumbass he's also I'm so glad he's so [ __ ] stupid same like that is
00:28:19
helpful very helpful when they're dumb as [ __ ] that's the thing they also found
00:28:23
several pieces of jewelry and among that jewelry the detectives found a pair of gold earrings that match those described
00:28:29
by Robin Sams so's mother which she was wearing on the day she went Miss remember Robin was 12 12 I remember T
00:28:36
was eight eight like I'm not taking away from the young women that also lost their lives it's justy old man he really
00:28:45
he really hit every like every age group he had no actual profile except for woman exactly yeah and and he liked
00:28:55
women yeah he's disgusting on July 26th he appeared in Municipal Court where he was reigned on charges of
00:29:02
kidnapping lud or lascivious acts Upon a Child under 14 first-degree murder and robbery he pleaded not guilty to all
00:29:10
charges and a a preliminary hearing was set for early August at the same time the judge ordered that Alcala would
00:29:17
finally be held without Bale yeah said very weird thanks guys yeah for finally doing that thanks yeah while he sat in a
00:29:24
jail cell awaiting trial investigators started combing through the photos and negatives discovered in the storage unit
00:29:30
which must have been [ __ ] awful it takes like it's I don't think we think enough like the average person about the
00:29:40
kind of [ __ ] that the like um the people who go to these crime scenes and detectives have to see and have to comb
00:29:47
through and then have to just like Place aside and move on to the next one like these people have to comb through stuff
00:29:53
like that and then go eat dinner with their family yeah like they have to see these awful pictures
00:29:58
of an 8-year-old girl being assaulted and brutally like like harmed and attempted to be murdered and then some
00:30:06
have to go home and see their child yeah and then just send them off to school or
00:30:11
send them down the street to play or whatever the compartmentalizing that must have to happen in your brain is
00:30:17
just beyond like I feel like it's beyond most human capabilities you can see why
00:30:21
a lot of detectives like end up you know having so much trouble in their personal
00:30:25
life absolutely we even say like after recording a case like this it's tough forek tough but if I have to if I was
00:30:33
forced via my job description to have to look through every single crime scene photo like things that are not released
00:30:42
to the public and like yeah I that would break I think there's so many cases where I've thought about I'm like I
00:30:48
can't imagine the people looking at the photos here no cuz it would break so many even juries juries are shown wild
00:30:54
photos sometimes and sometimes they need like extensive therapy after one of my biggest fears is getting called to Jerry
00:31:00
dudy for having to be exposed to some of this stuff because it's like I get it like they see the same obviously like on
00:31:07
a lesser they see a lesser amount of it most times but they see the things that these detectives see and have to go
00:31:13
through yeah so it's damn like the people who do this stuff are are different kinds of people they really
00:31:21
are [Music] well the photos contained a large number of young women investigators had never
00:31:39
seen before who they believed that Alcala had been stalking throughout the years so he was also a stalker which is
00:31:45
[ __ ] terrifying which is the least shocking thing in the world truly they also discovered a photograph that
00:31:50
appeared to have been taking uh taken at Huntington Beach on the day that Robin one missing so there went that alibi yep
00:31:57
yeah that goes so the image was actually published in papers across California to
00:32:03
be like hey if who is this woman do you have any information detectives were contacted by Lorraine Watson who was the
00:32:09
young woman in the photo and she confirmed the day that the photo was taken effectively undermining his claim
00:32:15
that he was at a job interview that day what a dumb [ __ ] truly and what a dumb
00:32:20
[ __ ] the detective work there to be like maybe we can track this girl down like
00:32:24
if you're this girl contct my mind when they can I'm like hell yeah it's awesome yeah
00:32:31
Rodney alcala's trial was delayed multiple times as the defense filed one motion after the other to get testimony
00:32:37
and evidence suppressed most of which were unsuccessful luckily and the trial finally got underway in February of 1980
00:32:44
with deput Deputy district attorney Rich Farnell acting on behalf of the state and John Barnett working on behalf of
00:32:51
Alcala the states case was pretty straightforward Alcala had met Robin samso on or near Huntington Beach on the
00:32:58
afternoon that she went missing and he had taken her up into the mountains stopping at marker 11 where he sexually
00:33:04
assaulted and murdered her in support of that theory they called several witnesses including the two teenage
00:33:09
girls that alala had approached with his camera earlier that day another young woman Lori wz also testified that Alcala
00:33:16
had taken her photo on the beach that afternoon so he was just yeah he was just out there taking prowling on the
00:33:22
beach taking pictures of everybody he possibly could and all of these women undermined his Alibi which was perfect
00:33:29
because now the jury is listening in yeah those Witnesses helped to place him at the scene but the state's most
00:33:35
significant witness was Dana crappa that firefighter who saw alala with Robin on
00:33:40
the afternoon that she was killed unfortunately while she did appear in court to testify her testimony
00:33:47
was a major Revelation to both the prosecution in defense who were not expecting the story she told because it
00:33:54
was quite different than what they had both originally heard oh Lord initially she had testified that she had seen
00:34:00
alala and a young blonde girl headed into the woods on the night of June 21st and that was her extent of involvement
00:34:06
in the case but since alcala's arrest she had become uncooperative with police and was very Cy about the testimony that
00:34:14
she had given in previous hearings huh at a hearing in February 1980 alcala's defense attorney John Barnett pressed
00:34:21
crappa about the truthfulness of her statements and that's when she started telling a very different story than
00:34:26
anyone had heard interesting according to her she had seen alala on the day of the murder just
00:34:32
like she had told investigators but there was a great deal more to it that she hadn't said it turned out that just
00:34:38
a few days later on June 25th she returned to marker 11 where she had previously seen Alcala she said she
00:34:45
parked her car but she left the engine running and she walked a little way up the trail to investigate she said she
00:34:50
hadn't made it very far when she noticed a foul smell in the air and a few feet away she saw various pieces of clothing
00:34:56
including that tennis shoe a pair of shorts and a t-shirt and remember they didn't find any clothing at the scene a
00:35:03
few feet away from the clothing she said she spotted a body she said quote it was
00:35:07
missing the hands and the feet it was pretty cut up on the Torso arms and legs it was bloated like an animal gets when
00:35:13
it sets a while what the fu she claimed she was horrified and she ran back to her car and then drove to her parents
00:35:20
house where she said nothing about what she had found I don't get that mhm a few days later she was working on a
00:35:30
spraying crew in that same area wait so babe you just went back to work mhm you just went to work it gets a lot worse
00:35:38
like what are you doing nothing good you just going back to work nothing to be proud of what the [ __ ] so she goes back
00:35:46
to work and she's in that same area and she and William popi Came Upon a pile of
00:35:51
bones believing them to be the remains of a deer or some kind of other animal she said William actually picked up one
00:35:57
one of the bones and quote tossed it at crappa as a joke though she admitted she
00:36:02
knew that they were not animal bones later that night she returned to the scene again it was dark but in the
00:36:11
light of her flashlight that she brought along with her she said she could see some of the girl's blonde hair and the
00:36:16
pile of clothing still near the body there were obviously signs of further decomposition and she said the right arm
00:36:22
appeared to be missing at that point 3 days later while working with the brain crew was when William popi finally
00:36:30
discovered the remains of Robin samso I am literally shocked without words this is the most disgusting
00:36:38
Behavior as outside of like being a murderer it's also just bizarre you're like is that true like are you why would
00:36:49
you lie about that why would you lie about that but why did you lie in the first place and this story this story
00:36:54
this story is way worse so [ __ ] bizar I get why she lied about it in the first
00:37:00
place because the actual truth that she was forced to tell under oath so much is
00:37:05
so bad and makes that person look so [ __ ] up that you're not going to well and also at that point you're not going
00:37:13
to believe anything they say because they've already lied so much that first story was to cover up what this looks
00:37:20
like it is because to me this looks like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you well I
00:37:24
mean yeah why the [ __ ] are you out here walking around mulle why are you returning to the scene multiple times
00:37:29
returning multiple times that's insane Behavior cuz it's also like okay what's wrong with you oh so
00:37:38
much is wrong with them like let's let's pull you aside when this is all set and
00:37:42
i' be like we need to take a real hard look into this person's background because what the [ __ ] is going on there
00:37:49
the new version of events was not only a stunning Discovery to Elena but also the
00:37:53
prosecution and the defense and me as well uh the prosecu in the defense had suspected that she was withholding
00:38:00
something but didn't expect that it was so significant when asked why she hadn't
00:38:04
said anything about any of this before she said from the very beginning I was trying to find a way out I did not want
00:38:10
to testify blaming it on my imagination was easier to say than actually saying I
00:38:14
believed it here's the thing I get that that I get you saying I didn't want to testify I get it cuz I think about that
00:38:22
all the time that if you just happen to stumble upon a body you're now fully involved in that investigation and that
00:38:28
sucks that's a nightmare because you didn't ask to be fully involved in that it sucks ass it's a lot of weight to
00:38:34
carry I totally get that hearing that makes a little nope nothing I get that I get
00:38:42
that feeling still doesn't make sense you still have an obligation as a fellow human you just do I know it's going to
00:38:50
suck but you have a [ __ ] obligation as a fellow human well that's as you see blonde hair this is a
00:38:58
12-year-old and you know that a 12 this is a child you you think you saw her that's the other thing you thought you
00:39:04
saw saw them so it's like you saw her alive that's and now you're just going to work and going home and acting and
00:39:12
letting your [ __ ] coworker throw her bones about that's that's the part that I'm like okay when as soon as that
00:39:18
happened you should have called the police and been like we thought this was animal bones but I don't think it is can
00:39:24
you come out here and check that's the part where it would have been like okay you [ __ ] up but like you were
00:39:30
scared when it gets to the point where it's like I saw something I didn't say anything and then I saw another thing
00:39:36
and somebody threw something at me and I didn't say anything and then I went back
00:39:39
a third time and I still didn't say anything and then I decided maybe I should say here's the other thing too
00:39:44
again I understand not wanting to have to testify not wanting being thrust into the investigation like that I can't
00:39:52
imagine I've never stumbled upon a dead body no and hope to never why did you keep going back to it if you didn't want
00:39:59
to be involved in this why the [ __ ] did you keep going and looking at that body
00:40:03
cuz you involved yourself that's the part and to me that tells me that you're [ __ ] curious and you don't know like
00:40:10
I there's something wrong here that's not somebody who doesn't want to be involved the only thing the only thing
00:40:16
that I can think of is that she thought that Her Imagination was playing tricks on her and she's like is this a human is
00:40:21
this a human but it's like it is babe call someone and it is you don't need to go back four different times and smell
00:40:28
that smell to know that you're looking at a human being let's be real it's and to like bring a work crew out there it's
00:40:35
just I again I can get down with you with the feeling of being scared to have to testify and be involved in the whole
00:40:42
thing what you did is [ __ ] up beyond measure and I can't understand it no so that's that damn I didn't see that
00:40:51
happening yeah no one did her decision to reveal the truth was a major blow to the the prosecution because it called
00:40:59
into question The credibility of her testim her testimony which was the key to the prosecution's case so everybody
00:41:06
stunned another important witness for the prosecution Robert Dove had similar credibility at problems he was an inmate
00:41:13
at the Huntington Beach jail where Alcala was held uh pending trial and he testified that during his time there he
00:41:19
overheard Alcala discussing Robin's murder and boasting about his chances of an acquittal this inmate claimed he
00:41:26
heard Alcatel another inmate no one seen me take her and added that he didn't stab her but he quote slapped her
00:41:33
unconscious Jesus Christ which is just so brutal yeah I he also told the inmate they quote would never convict him
00:41:42
without the quote film and the bike and they would not find the bike so that's interesting this guy
00:41:49
although The credibility of those two witnesses to key Witnesses was weakened under cross-examination the prosecution
00:41:55
was handed a major victim when the judge allowed for I'll call his previous arrest record and violent
00:42:01
conduct to be brought to the attention of the jury goodness that doesn't happen a lot no it doesn't and it's kind of
00:42:07
stupid in my opinion it is I agree I know it's like a case by case thing no I know in a lot of cases it's a slippery
00:42:13
SL you know but in this one it's like yeah come on as a result though the entire courtroom was familiarized with
00:42:21
the Assa The Assault on tally Shapiro in 1968 the kidnapping of Julie Johnson in
00:42:26
1975 if you don't remember that's from part two where he had kidnapped that girl yeah um she was on her way to Julie
00:42:32
Johnson was on her way to school and he forced her to smoke weed and then the park ranger found them and nobody
00:42:38
believed that nobody believed her they thought she this child was at fault for going with the scum man and of course
00:42:45
they were made aware of the recent sexual assault and kidnapping of Moni KO which he hadn't even faced yet he was
00:42:50
still he was out on bail for all that awesome the criminal history established obviously a pattern of lurring young
00:42:56
girls into his car and then attacking them violently which is precisely what the prosecutor Farnell argued had
00:43:01
happened to Robin S and it's also just facts and his closing arguments John Barnett flatly rejected the
00:43:08
prosecution's theory and argued to the jury that Dana kraa's dishonesty quote entirely discredits the prosecution's
00:43:15
case which not exactly I don't think so no he said though if they couldn't trust
00:43:20
the prosecution's key eyewitness could they really be certain Beyond a reasonable doubt that the rest of their
00:43:25
theory was accurate he said quote set your emotions aside set your feelings aside decide on the decide the case on
00:43:32
the facts if we are to be a country of laws you must acquit because the prosecutors have failed to prove their
00:43:38
burden Beyond a reasonable doubt it's like that's not actually up for you to decide you I mean that is some I know
00:43:46
it's his job some slimy [ __ ] but that's some slimy ass [ __ ] in this case I'm
00:43:50
going saying all defense attorneys but in this case that's some slimy [ __ ] in this actual case it is horrifying you're
00:43:57
defending somebody who was literally convicted multiple times for assaulting young children and wom like you're
00:44:06
defending a predator that's a problem and it's he's an established prator and I get it I know I know somebody needs to
00:44:11
defend all the people and all that [ __ ] yeah I don't like it in this case I don't like it in this case either so
00:44:17
deal with it yeah after two months of testimony and evidence the jury deliberated for nearly a day before
00:44:22
returning with their verdict finding Rodney alala guilty on charges of kidnapping and first degree murder on
00:44:30
May 7th he returned to court for the penalty phase of the trial and that was when the jury was asked to determine
00:44:35
whether aggravating circumstances were such that they warranted the death penalty during this time Farnell
00:44:41
attempted to establish for the jury that alala had in fact killed before he referred to the 1977 murder of Ellen
00:44:47
hover where the judge sustained the defense's objections because there was unfortunately never sufficient evidence
00:44:53
or a conviction for Ellen hub's murder unfortunately which is awful even well we'll get there don't worry oh good even
00:45:00
though Farnell wasn't able to connect alala to hovers murder the jury still returned a recommendation that Rodney
00:45:07
Alcala be sentenced to death for the murder of Robin samsel so he didn't even need to introduce that they were like
00:45:12
yeah no they were like we got you and honestly life was going to introduce him the death penalty anyways so that's ex
00:45:17
not unfortunately not like right away yeah usually takes a while I know when the recommendation was read Robin's
00:45:23
mother Maran Fraser shouted all right from her seat near the front of the courtroom and then she collapsed into
00:45:29
the arms of a police officer next to her I would be the same way oh yeah absolutely be the same way that's your
00:45:34
baby that's her 12-year-old baby who went to hang out with her friends and ride her bike around yep which she
00:45:41
should be able to [ __ ] do like you everybody knows our stances and all that on the death penalty I don't need to say
00:45:47
it again but I can say 100% I would be 100% for it if it was my child yep yep not a doubt in my mind I don't even have
00:45:54
kids yet not a doubt in my mind judge Schwab set a date of June 20th for official
00:45:59
sentencing in between the recommendation phase and the final sentencing on June 20th alala and his attorney of course
00:46:06
petitioned the state supreme court for a new trial they argued that the evidence
00:46:10
in the case primarily the jewelry and the photo seized from the storage locker had been obtained illegally and should
00:46:16
warrant a new trial shut the [ __ ] up but they weren't they had search warrants no
00:46:20
shut up the Supreme Court though rejected the petition entirely and on June 20th Rodney alala was formally
00:46:26
sentenced to to death bye but that is not the end of our story no of course [Music]
00:46:44
not it turned out that maryan Fraser's relief ad Al kala's conviction was to be shortlived which breaks your heart for
00:46:52
her and all the other families she just couldn't take a breath this family and all the and most of the families just
00:46:59
got tormented tormented Tor for years It ultimately took I think three trials in 1984 Rodney alala appealed his
00:47:09
conviction to the uh state supreme court again this time arguing among other things that the prose the prosecution
00:47:15
had biased the jury against him when they disclosed his past criminal acts well babe you're a predator um so that's
00:47:22
for Life babe that's the thing that's for life but unfortunately the justices agreed wow they agreed insiding with the
00:47:31
argument put forth by the defense the justices overturned that original ruling and they they granted Alcala a new trial
00:47:38
that's dumb as [ __ ] it is it's it drives you insane so the second trial held in
00:47:43
the spring of 1986 so six years later this family had six years of I don't want to say peace because they lost
00:47:51
their loved one but they had six years of knowing that this man was behind bars and was going to die for what he did
00:47:56
yeah trying to to rebuild the pieces of their life for 6 years yeah and then it gets opened right back and then boom
00:48:02
it's all it's starting all over again it was essentially a rerun of the first trial but this time the prosecution had
00:48:08
to leave out his past criminal history in the end he was still found guilty of kidnapping
00:48:15
murder Maran Fraser told reporters I just thank God maybe now my daughter can go to sleep for the first time in 7
00:48:21
years maybe the rest of my family can go back to life oh during the penalty phase
00:48:26
of month later alala pleaded with the jury to spare him the death penalty oh like your victims pleaded with you
00:48:33
probably yeah exactly you piece of [ __ ] saying that his record as a model prisoner was proof that quote I'm
00:48:39
absolutely harmless I'm not a threat you're a child predator dude dig his corpse up so we can all kick him in
00:48:48
the nuts literally you're not a threat yeah you're not a threat when you're in prison because there's no children there
00:48:53
exactly you [ __ ] [ __ ] but despite despite his pleas the jury again recommended the death penalty for the
00:49:00
murder of Robin samso later f marann Fraser hugged the jury foreman and told him thank you my daughter deserved this
00:49:07
which she absolutely did yeah in the years that followed though he continued to appeal his conviction he should not
00:49:13
have been allowed to keep doing this no he just shouldn't have no not at all and
00:49:17
in 2001 a federal Court's appeals judge overturned the conviction in the second trial on the grounds that alala had not
00:49:25
been given the opportunity to present contradictory evidence during his trial get it together it's also like okay how
00:49:31
many times does he get to make this The Perfect Defense you just keep you keep getting to try again like that's not how
00:49:38
this should work I've had years and years to sit and stew over this and I finally come up with the perfect plan to
00:49:44
get out of it can you let me have another trial and they're like sure and it's like it's again in prison it's all
00:49:50
he has to do some people are sitting in prison and that's all that you like I want to sit here and be like they
00:49:54
shouldn't be able to do that no but it's true some are innocent and they get proven guilty and they they get that
00:49:59
time to finally sit there and think like oh this is the one thing so I can't even
00:50:03
sit here and say it's a bad thing no it's a it's a perfectly imperfect system it is and
00:50:09
it's it's this is a perfect example of it of the our first instinct is to say [ __ ] this he shouldn't be allowed to
00:50:17
keep doing this and then you can flip it right to the other side and go but there's so many innocent people that get
00:50:24
convicted and they need that time and they do come up with a way that finally they can tell people that they are
00:50:30
innocent and they deserve that time they deserve that time so 100% it's perly imperfect that's why it's such a caseby
00:50:37
casee basis making even us making a blanket statement like they shouldn't be allowed to do this is not true it's just
00:50:44
not he shouldn't have been able to do this but I feel like this one guy should have been able to do this we are growing
00:50:50
and we are not making as many blanket statements you just got to catch yourself when you make or you catch
00:50:55
yourself before you wreck yourself you have to give a little bit of an amendment when you make a blanket
00:50:59
statement exactly I was about to and then I was like no no no girl don't do that yeah this specific man he should
00:51:05
not have had should not have been allowed to do anything no he should no nothing nothing but this decision meant
00:51:11
that he could be tried a third time for the murder of Robin samso her poor family we got to find a better way we do
00:51:19
Deputy attorney general Adrien denal told reporters we are incredibly disappointed we think the court is wrong
00:51:25
and that the justice has not and that justice has not been served in this case because this family is just getting
00:51:31
bombarded years and years after they think they finally have peace which the second time around I'm sure that family
00:51:38
Robin Sams so's family was like should we even rest or is this going to happen again that we're going to have to go
00:51:43
through this all again and then boom they had to go through it all again oh that's awful while the District
00:51:48
Attorney's Office may have been frustrated by the Court's decision by that time remember it is now 2001 oh
00:51:54
yeah major major advances in science and technology had allowed they have some DNA that's
00:52:01
the thing had allowed for the testing of DNA and those blood samples that I men open it up babe now they could pinpoint
00:52:07
that with surprising accuracy and in 2003 a recently collected sample of Alcala saliva was matched to samples
00:52:15
taken from Jill barcom Georgia Wicked Charlotte lamb and Jill pentos cases oops all that time sitting around didn't
00:52:23
get get you to realize that uh they can now they can now nail you to the wall even better than they could before in
00:52:30
fact beyond a shadow of a doubt now mhm that meant that in addition to retrying alala for Robin Sam's murder the
00:52:37
district attorney could also now prosecute him for those additional murders I love that that he was like oh
00:52:43
I'm innocent again and then they were like oops now we can actually get you for more you [ __ ] dumb in the words
00:52:51
of Balin you're done you're done this time around the prosecution had more than enough evidence to convince the
00:52:57
jury including the DNA evidence bite mark Impressions taken from the victims but unfortunately the family's present
00:53:05
at trial would have to endure Rodney alala serving as his own [ __ ] attorney This Time come on also some of
00:53:13
the things that he was allowed to do while representing himself will Boggle your goddamn mind those are things that
00:53:18
do need to look at Absol looked at I think there's a lot of instances where it becomes their own personal Kink yes
00:53:26
and and it's allowed to be like displayed and they and the fact that they are doing it in front of the
00:53:32
victim's families becomes part of their King yes and it shouldn't be allowed to be done one good jillion there needs to
00:53:38
be some safe safeguards on those for sure and unfortunately again it's like a case by casee basis because the judge
00:53:45
gets to decide what happens in this case I'm like you're like what are you doing
00:53:49
I'm like taptop is this thing on hello so on March 9th 2010 it took an Orange County jury less than an hour to find
00:53:58
Rodney alcola guilty on all five counts after the verdict was read one juror told a reporter he's a monster he's not
00:54:04
a human being 100% true here here to that my friend before the jury announced their sentencing recommendation though
00:54:11
Alcala again asked that he be spared the death penalty and actually at this point
00:54:16
wanted to be granted clemency no you could you good bro he said let me put the death penalty in
00:54:23
perspective for you if you desire to join in the killing of a human being you and the families of all the victims will
00:54:29
have to wait at least 15 to 20 years while the case slowly turns through the appet
00:54:35
process what are you really trying to be like let me explain it to are you trying
00:54:39
to mansplain the death penalty to everybody it's like yeah we know people will wait 20 years to see you die baited
00:54:45
breath yeah he also at this point was allowed to play Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant specifically the verse where
00:54:54
he sings I Want to Kill I want to kill I want to see blood and gore and guts and
00:54:59
veins in my teeth eat dead burnt bodies I mean kill kill kill kill why why are you letting him do that
00:55:09
in front of victim's families too at all but in front of victim's families what who know what happened to their loved
00:55:16
ones that's the thing and he was saying if you're going to inflict the death penalty on me you're the same as I am
00:55:23
wow so let me let me play this song to show you who you guys are and apparently who I am which you shouldn't be allowing
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a convicted killer and child predator to be talking to people that way you just shouldn't they shouldn't have the the
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Podi toit period yeah at all but to be sitting there being like let me preach to you that you're the same nah babe and
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also are you not just proving the prosecutions case you literally just called yourself a killer yeah you're
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saying you're no better than I am so you're saying you're a killer so you're is so you're saying hello you're saying
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it's true hello yeah he was just an absolute Terror to the very last second but luckily the jury wasted no time
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recommending to the judge that hey they still felt like he should be sentenced to death and during a
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separate yeah like we're done here during a separate penalty phase tal Shapiro was actually able to speak about
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her heroing experience holy [ __ ] as an 8-year-old girl attacked by this monster
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later she told 48 hours I'm one of Al kalis first and one of his only living victims it should have stopped with me
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why in the world are there so many other victims when it was a known fact what he
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did to me yes to the fact that she was able to speak on this makes me so happy that she her voice was heard but it's so
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true why the [ __ ] when they knew what he did to her at 8 years old in the morning
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in her own [ __ ] apartment complex oh it's shameful why shameful why was anybody else allowed to ever ever come
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across this man's path yeah the only icon in that scenario is Donald Hayes yes he was the only one that made a move
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to stop anything from happening and they just washed it aside and without him oh
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my God it could have even been worse worse yeah he she could be dead she would have been absolutely she would be
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dead abely and he would have stayed in California and done the same thing more boldly so Rodney alala was finally being
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held accountable for his horrific crime committed decades earlier and it turned out that it wasn't just prosecutors in
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California who wanted Justice for his victims in January 2011 a grand jury in Manhattan indicted alala for the 1971
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murder of Cornelia Michael Krill in the 1977 murder of Ellen hover remember Cornelia Michael krly she was moving and
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he broke into her her seems that maybe he got into her apartment under the guise of helping her and then oh my God
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[ __ ] Ellen's and Sheila said for the longest time it was for it was a foregone conclusion that he would never
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be charged for her murder this is a terrific surprise yeah you want to see him go down for it absolutely on
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December 14th 2012 he appeared in a New York courtroom where he pleaded guilty to both murders though he offered no
00:58:12
details about either crime he just knew that they had the DNA to con he's a little [ __ ] he knows at the time
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investigators made public a large number of the photos discovered in Alcala storage unit in Seattle hoping that
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they'd be able to identify women in the photos this it was like a big deal yeah in response many women came forward to
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identify themselves and told police quote a photographer named John Berger had taken their picture in New York in
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the 1970s I can't fathom being one of those women and just to know you got away you
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would spend so much time like if not the rest of your life just thinking what was
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it yeah what was it that I got Why Did I Get Away o why why did he take a picture
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of me and then move on to the next girl and do what he did to her holy [ __ ] like
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that would plague you I think yeah now while this helped to identify many of the women in the pictures a significant
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number of these women unfortunately remain unidentified which makes me nervous of course it does because I'm
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like where are these women yeah it's I think unfortunately we'll never know where some of these
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women are but hopefully yeah hopefully we will hopefully we will four years later in 2016 a prosecutor in Wyoming
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had charged alala with the murder of 28-year-old Christine Thorton who disappeared in 197
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and her body was discovered in 1982 she was 6 months pregnant at the time of her
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disappearance at the time he was in very poor health who gives a [ __ ] but the prosecutor declined to extradite him to
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face charges no send that [ __ ] where he needs to go I don't give a [ __ ] if he's sick because she lost her life
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he's still here so he should face the [ __ ] music and her baby's life exactly so I don't give a [ __ ] how sick
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he is what is he going to be uncomfortable I don't extra DM I hope he is uncomfortable yeah on July 10th 2021
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he died of natural causes at a hospital in Kings County California he got to live until he was 77 77 he got to live a
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whole [ __ ] life that upsets me upon hearing of alcala's death though tly Shapiro who was then 61 years old told a
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reporter the planet is a better place without him that's for sure yes now at the time of his death though he was
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still suspected of Murder By investigators in Los Angeles Seattle Arizona New Hampshire and Marin County
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California oh I'm sure there will be more things that come out and so many more cases I think will be connected to
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him because he left DNA at so many of these cases he did so there's definitely hope that he that some people will
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finally have answers to their loved ones murders but what a [ __ ] monster he is one of
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the worst people that we've ever talked about truly we talk about horrible horrible horrible people and he is up
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there with the worst of them I had no idea I knew he was really bad I had no idea how bad I had absolutely no idea
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going going into the details reading some of them oh my God yeah oh my God like holy [ __ ] yeah so I think maybe for
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our next case we'll do something a little fluffy a little light and if you need a you know pallet cleanser after
01:01:22
this which I'm sure you do go listen to the rewatcher yeah it's but we're talking about Buffy in case you haven't
01:01:28
listened to it Ash hasn't seen the whole Buffy series she's watching it for the first time I've seen it a million times
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and we have Mikey on there with us who has also seen it a million times degrees of Buffy watching this and
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we're going Episode by episode I think we're in the we're in the six season right now like halfway through about
01:01:47
halfway uh so and it's a lot of fun we end up laughing until we cry every single episode so it's well worth it a
01:01:55
very pallet cleanser if you need it yes and if you don't watch Buffy or you're not into that we also have scream with
01:02:01
Caleb where we cover horror movies or you could listen to both and be into all of it scream is also a place where we
01:02:07
end up laughing so hard we cry every single episode somebody said that they ran out of morbit episodes and went to
01:02:13
scream and they were like I did not think it was going to be this funny holy [ __ ] you guys we literally cry laughing
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like every there have been times where I've had to run out of the room because I'm going to like pee my pants literally
01:02:23
so definitely if you need a little little stuff those are those are the way to go actually a perfect palette
01:02:29
cleanser for you guys our next episode we're going to be talking to the two directors of this um new docu series on
01:02:36
Netflix I think it dropped December 11th it's Kings of Tupelo you need to dedicate at least four hours of your
01:02:43
life to watching this it is the ziest docu series you will ever see and we're so stoked to talk to them that [ __ ] was
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wild and I can't wait we're going to have so much fun so look out for that definitely try to check out the dock
01:02:56
before the episode drops cuz I you know I'm sure there's going to be some spoilers so yeah and like we were saying
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at the top of the show we want to cover some more survivor cases some more strange history coming up yeah for sure
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so we'll we'll we'll vary it up keep your eyes out something for everybody here yeah we gotta what got whatever
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your fancy is we can help you we're here here we are I don't know I got to go uh
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so that being said we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we weird but definitely not as weird as
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Rodney alala because wow I need to go scrub my brain with a toilet brush be cool to each other a toilet brush with
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