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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is [Music] Morbid. Morbido. It's morbid with a cold
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and allergies. Ew. Um, I don't think I sound super sick, but if I do, I'm sorry. Yeah. Um,
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just have a cold. It's also I think we talked about it last time that it's crazy allergy season here. And I was
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right about the trees. They're all men. There you go. They're all men. No, it's so funny. I was talking to my cousin's
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friend about it the other day. Um, cuz you and I had talked about it and then she came over and she was talking about
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it and I said, "Huh?" You said, "Oh my god." I said, "I was just talking about that." I said, "I was right." And then I
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said, "Damn, life's a simulation." Damn. Yeah, that's there's The trees, the man
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trees are all shaking their [ __ ] all over the place. And it's it's on the cars. It's on the porches. It's on the
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sidewalk. It's in the puddles. It's everywhere. It's just everywhere. I don't like when you said they were
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shaking their [ __ ] I mean, that's what they're doing. No, you're not wrong. It
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just gave me a a weird visual. As it should. I hope I hope it unsettles you because this is an unsettling time in
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our lives. Okay, it is uh it's also uh the second winter here in New England, so that's fun. All right, so here's the
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thing. A lot of people are pissed off about it. Like my whole TikTok last night was New Englanders being like,
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"What the [ __ ] I need the [ __ ] summer kid." I check my weather app every morning with glee. With with pure glee.
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I say, "Oh, sweatshirt strikes again." Well, and I'm just not that uh shocked anymore by it. I think I'm I think I'm
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like I I'm like is this just for like Tik Tok views that everyone's shocked by it? Cuz I'm like Have you lived here?
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No, I guess like I'm like it's last year I think it was like 90° at this point cuz I remember like I remember it being
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like before right before Memorial Day it was literally like [ __ ] blazing hot to the point where we were like on the
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sun. Yeah. So, for it to be 40° today, it's fine. Of course it is. I guess it's like the coldest May on record in a long
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time, though. Yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. It's colder than it normally is. But for it to be like a crazy slingshot one way or
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the other, I'm just not really shocked. No, I agree. I'm happy. I have fuzzy socks on right now. I have my comfort
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sweatpants on and a crew neck. And if I get to wear a crew neck right now, that's what I'm wearing.
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You need to know. Okay. The people need to know. Elena is wearing flannel pajama
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pants. I am. And a Is that a comfort shirt? No, I think this is from Ary. Okay. It's cute. I'm pretty sure. And my
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mother-in-law got me it. Oh, she has good taste. He does. It's waffly. It is. Um and that's the fit check of the
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episode. But I was saying I love this getup and I don't want to I don't want to retire it for the summer. I know. And
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it is coming. That's the That's why I'm like everyone calm down. It's coming. And when it when it hits, it's gonna
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hit. It's gonna punch us all in the face. I know. And then we're all going to be sweltering our asses off. Helter
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sweltering out here. And we're going to be wishing for fall. You're all going to
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be in my state of being. Okay. So, it's true. And now that I'm like basketball, I can't wait for October. Exactly. I'm
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ready. I know. Everyone's ready now. I get it. Four episodes ago, I was like, "Let me have summer." And now I'm like,
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see, she's a Gemini. Very Gemini of her. I know. I'm still No, I thought on the same token, very Gemini of me again, I'm
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still looking forward to summer, but I like having a little bit of extra winter. I'm just looking forward to the
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summer for the uh couple of ghost concerts. There you go. That I have lined up. Nice. I'm very excited about
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I'm excited for you. John and I were talking about one this morning and I said it's so close. I love it's like in
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the beginning of July. Is that the first one? Nice. Love that. Very excited. I got to mark my calendar. I got your
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kids. I got your kids. Um, but yeah, it's it's, you know, it's cold out here. Our outfits. Our
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outfits. And now we're going to finish up talking about this mad bomber guy. Oh, yes. Uh,
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he's wild. Um, we don't even I don't even know who he is yet. Exactly. You're going to find out though, don't worry. A
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very strange ending to this tale. I will tell you that. Um, and it gets wilder. like this tail it when even when he's
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caught like what is said and the words exchanged and everything are so movie and cinematic. Okay. It's so it's hard
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to believe this is real but it is it is a real thing. So now we've gone we were back in like uh 1953 when we last left
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you I believe and nearly a year passed without any new bombs. And this is when he's been talking to the different
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editors at newspapers. He's been threatening things. he's been getting. And this is when, you know, they start
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kind of pulling back on reporting about it in too like intensive a way cuz they're almost they think that's what he
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wants. Like they they he wants the big headlines. He wants them all this fear and panic to be spread. So they're
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trying to like the police are telling the press like don't report it in such a sensational manner kind of make it seem
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like it's not a big deal because like that's we want to like draw him out that way.
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So again, he wrote a he wrote something to one of the papers being like, "You [ __ ] you are acting like this is not
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a big deal. What the hell?" But then a year passes with no new bombs. Okay. And again, when a year passes, you start to
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get comfortable. Yeah. And be like, "Okay, maybe this is gone." Yeah. But in early November 1954, FP returned as
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promised. Oh, not FP again. cuz he said he was going to let the he's he's he's uh very particular about his moral
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stances and his boundaries that he sets cuz he was saying he was going to let the holiday season, the Christmas season
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go by with no bomb. Oh. So, and he did. He let it go. How thoughtful. So, early November 1954, he returned a little past
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700 p.m. on November 8th. A crowd of more than 6,000 people had just settled into their seats at Radio City Music
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Hall for a screening of White Christmas when a bomb buried in one of the seats in the 15th row exploded.
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Argue that is the holiday season. I would also argue that he let the 1953 holiday season go by. Okay. Uh it sent
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stuffing, it sent shrapnel, pieces of chair everywhere in all directions, and it injured two women and two boys seated
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nearby. Um, nobody died, but they were very injured. Yeah. As usual, investigators on the bomb squad
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minimalized the damage, like minimized it to, you know, in their report to the press, telling reporters the device was
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quote, "so so crudely made that its potential force was largely dissipated." I feel like even that tactic isn't super
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smart, though, cuz then it's just like, "When somebody tells me I'm bad at something, I'm going to try to get
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better." Yeah, it's true. And it's like, but clearly these devices are getting more and more sophisticated. It's just
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clear because among the wreckage near the seat, investigators found pieces of a timing device, a battery, and a
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wristwatch. Oh. So, they are getting more sophisticated where he is able to set these off at certain times. Right.
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On November 28th, just a few weeks after the Radio City bombing, a bomb detonated
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in a phone booth at the Port Authority bus terminal. Uh, it caused debris and shrapnel to explode across one of the
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pedestrian corridors and it sent hundreds of travelers into a panic. But remarkably, no one was hurt. Strange, I
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know, right? But so strange. The luck of these things is remarkable really is the only word about
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how heavily populated New York City is at all times. Yeah. like and he's hitting populated areas, you know, he's
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not like in an abandoned building somewhere. The bomb was quickly identified by investigators as of course
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one of FP's bombs, but by this time even the press had noted that the device was
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placed by the same bomber who' placed the explosive at Radio City a few weeks earlier. So now the press are starting
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to connect these for people. Finally, after years of ignoring, downplaying the threat, trying to minimize the whole
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thing that there's any and and saying, "Of course, there's no serial bomber. These are all just like pranks and
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hoaxes." Yeah. The local and national press could not ignore the danger anymore, guys. It's been years. Yeah. In
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his book about the bombings, Michael Greenberg said, "By the start of 1955, the requested and hitherto honored
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police policy of secrecy would ultimately be sacrificed in the name of circulation." Uh, when a bomb exploded
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at Penn Station on January 11th, some members of the press did their best to still stay with the NYPD's requests, but
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I think it was like the New York Times that were kind of trying to stay with that what the New York Police Department
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was trying to do here. they were at least sticking with them for a little while. Like the New York Times announced
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Penn Station bomb blast is ignored by commuters. Like very much like whatever poo poo.
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Other papers though were not really willing to do that anymore. Um and they were only but and like this isn't I like
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uh it's not like they were suddenly being like the the people deserve to know like this moral thing. They just
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wanted to sell more papers and they knew that they were holding their own circulation back by not being
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sensational about it. Um the front page of the new New York Daily News, for example, led with bomb goes off, panics
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rush hour throng. So it's like those two headlines side by side with Penn Station
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bomb blast is ignored by commuters or bomb goes off, panics rush hour throng. Like which one are you going to grab?
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Yeah, those are very opposite ends of the spectrum. Yeah. By May of 1955, the bomber had increased his productivity,
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and the press were definitely taking notice. On May 2nd, the editor of the New York Herald Tribune um received an
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anonymous phone call from a man who claimed to be the mad bomber. The man angrily repeated many of the incoherent
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statements included in FP's letters to the press, adding that the latest round of bombings was being carried out,
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quote, to get even with the consolidated Edison company and warning the editor that a bomb had been placed at Radio
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City Music Hall that night. So, a swarm of police and bomb squad members descended on Radio City. Very quickly,
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they evacuated the whole theater and they searched for this device. They found nothing. Okay. and they were
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forced to tell the audience, "False alarm. Sorry." Later that evening though, as one of the theater workers
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was cleaning up after the show, he found a strange object under one of the seats
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in the orchestra section of the theater. The device was wrapped in a woman's red
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wool sock, and it was similar to the other bombs. That's terrifying. The bomb squad was called and the device was
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removed. But its discovery alone was proof that the bomber was still a few steps ahead of the investigators,
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creating chaos, panic with every single communication and act that he had. And the press, of course, seized on the
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NYPD's failure to find that device during their search, which yes, they should have. Yes. Right. Rightfully so.
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Jump on that. Like I would have jumped right down that. How do you not find a bomb? And also it's under a chair which
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all of them have been. Exactly. How is it that a theater worker found it? And they emphasized the fact that had the
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bomb gone off in the theater, there would have probably been like lethal consequences to this. Like this one was
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a this would have been bad. Uh it was clear that a panic was growing among residents of New York City and of course
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the press were eagerly flaming or fanning those flames for sure. A few days later, on May 4th, a clerk at
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Macy's department store in Herald Square found a note. This note said that a bomb
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had been placed somewhere in the store and was set to go off at 5:30 p.m. Oh god. No bomb was discovered in the
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store. That wouldn't make you feel better, though, at that point. The Associated Press, though, picked up on
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the story and sent it out to news outlets around the country announcing, "The mad bomber threatens Macy's." The
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bomb at Macy's was quickly followed with announcement or the bomb threat at Macy's was quickly followed with
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announcements of bombs placed at several other locations around the city. Those included the Roxy Theater, Webster Hall,
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and the First National City Bank on Canal Street. Now, it's unclear at this point how many
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of those particular threats, but were sent by the actual mad bomber, but that didn't stop the increasing sense of
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unease over, you know, this serial bomber that could strike at any time, any place. Yeah. And was making more and
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more sophisticated bombs. But regardless of the sender, at least one of those threats proved real in August when a
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maintenance worker at the Roxy Theater removed a seat cushion for repair and found a bomb in the seat. By that time,
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the press had put the pieces together, and they'd started establishing like a pattern and timeline for the bad bomber,
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which allowed them to confidently identify the device as the 23rd bomb in a 15-year period. Wow. Yeah. A few
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months later in October, a bomb detonated at the Paramount Theater during a showing of Blood Alley,
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injuring one man who was seated near the device when it went off. The bomb at the
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Paramount was then followed in December by another explosion in Grand Central Station that caused damage to one of the
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bathrooms. Oh, damn. Now, over the course of 15 years, the Mad Bomber had placed nearly two dozen explosives at
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various locations in New York. But while the bombs had definitely caused a lot of
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structural damage to the locations they were placed, injuries from the bombs were pretty minimal at this point. Yeah,
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we keep saying how just shocking that is. Unfortunately, that did change in February 1956 when a bomb exploded in a
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bathroom at Penn Station. It seriously injured a 74year-old attendant, Lloyd Hill. Oh. And it injured eight other
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people. Um, but before this all the injuries were kind of m minimal compared to what they could be, you know what I
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mean? Like there was no like very serious injuries. Lloyd did have serious injuries. He did not die, but he had
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serious injuries. Um, and again, eight other people getting injured with this one. This is the biggest, right? You
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know, uh, according to Hill, a young man informed him that there was quote an obstruction in one of the plumbing
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fixtures, and he tried to remove the blockage with a plunger, and that's when the device detonated. Oh, wow. When it
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detonated, it sent shrapnel and porcelain directly into Hill's face and head. Oh god. Yeah. So, this was It's a
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It's a wonder that he didn't die on this. is um but he was I mean I can't imagine the injuries he had. Once the
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press began providing you know heavier coverage of the bombs, the public started paying more attention to the
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story and now following what's going on here. Following the explosion at the Paramount, the NYPD began publishing
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portions of the bombers letters in the paper, hoping someone might recognize this weird block printing he was doing,
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but no one did. Instead, readers started writing to the editorial pages with their theories about the bomber and his
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motives. And we all know how that goes. Yeah. Like one writer wrote, "He is searching desperately for sympathy when
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what this man really needs is love. That'll help." Yeah. Just love. Just love. It's like Katy Perry feels so
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connected to love right now. That reader did, too. She said if he just felt so connected to love, he would not be
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bombing. If he just paid millions of dollars to get shot into kind of space for a minute. Yeah. He would feel that
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love. Get him a Balenciaga space suit and it will solve all of his problems. He will feel connected to love. So
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connected to like love. Yeah. Uh but despite the efforts of the NYPD's best investigators, several wellrespected
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psychiatrists and countless readers of the New York Times and Herald Tribune, the bomb squad was literally no closer
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to identifying the bomber than they were when he placed that first bomb at the Coned building 15 years before. Not even
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slightly closer. The fact that this man has just been free to bomb for 15 years is absolutely bonkers. It's crazy. And
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it's not like they didn't they didn't know anything about who he could be, obviously, because the letters from FP,
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quote unquote, and the construction of each each device were giving them at least some kind of insight into like the
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kind of person he was, you know, his label of education, you know, his animosity towards Coned. Um, which led
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them to believe that he was most likely suffering some sort of workplace injury.
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So, there was that. Um, the problem was though that didn't really lead them to like narrow down a lot because it's like
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has a lot of employees and many of them suffered workplace injuries. So, it's like there was a lot of disgruntled
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people. Now, while the NYPD bomb squad continued their desperate search for the mad bomber, the bombs continued showing
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up in various places in New York. In July, a bomb exploded in a phone booth on the first floor of the Macy's
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department store in downtown Manhattan. In early December, another one was placed on the first floor of the
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Paramount Theater in Brooklyn and exploded during a showing of the film War in Peace, which had nearly 1,500
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people in attendance. Following the explosion, the manager instructed the ushers to quote, "Spread out and tell
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the people to sit down. It was only a firecracker." By doing this, they did manage to avoid
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causing a panic in the theater. That's good. Uh but six mo movie goers did sustain sustain serious injuries and
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were taken to the hospital. Wow. So, but they did like were able to keep it from
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being like a an absolute stampede. By the end of 1956, a major citywide search for the Mad Bomber was underway with the
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New York City Board of Estimate and the Patrolman's uh Benevolent Association offering a $26,000 reward. Wow. For And
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this is in 1956. Yeah. Did you do the I didn't cuz I always I always rely on you
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to do that. How much was it again? $26,000 and that's in 1956. And this is just for information leading to his
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arrest. That would be equivalent to $36,184 today. Damn. That is a lot of money. That's a big old reward. It's a
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chunk of change. But I mean, it makes sense because this was being touted as one of the greatest manhunts in New York
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history. I mean, yeah, he's been bombing for 15 years. So, yeah. Now, the reward
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and increased pressure to make an arrest obviously is great because we want this
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done, but it's also prompting a large wave of hoaxes and pranksters who of course will you know cuz people people
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go people people just gun people and they're all claiming to be the mad bomber because I there's that whole
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weird subset of humanity that likes to take credit for the worst terrible things. I will just like never
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understand that. question mark question mark. Yeah. All the while, New Yorkers are are now becoming increasingly
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uncomfortable spending too much time in public places like train stations, using
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public bathrooms, using public payoneses. Um, be terrified. After more than a decade of terror, I mean, we're
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we're over 15 years at this point. We had it for two decades. Yeah. The the mad bomber had finally received that
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attention that he was looking for, and he was looking to cause chaos and panic, and he was getting it, right? Um, but he
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wasn't going to be able to enjoy it for much longer. Good. So, through the later
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months of 1956, the NYPD had been consulting with New York psychiatrist Dr. James Brussell. He was a
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criminologist with the New York State Commission for Mental Hygiene, which is a very funny way of describing that to
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me. Mental hygiene. Uh, that I like that. Yeah. Weirdly, look at it. You know what I mean? Like, it's like part
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of personal hygiene. Yeah. I don't know why. I've never heard described like that. So, it's just like a very unique
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way of describing it to me. Keep your mind clean. Yeah. Mental hygiene, you know, although it wasn't the first time
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detectives had consulted with psychiatrists to try to catch a killer or a criminal of this variety. It was
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far it was far from common. And Russell didn't think there was really a lot that
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they were going to get out of it. Even the doctor Brussell was like, "Okay, well, I'll give you what I got. I'll see
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what I can do. Sure." Uh, but he was like, "Yeah, I'll help you. I'm going to write up a profile of the type of man
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that I think would be capable of this and you know, from what he has written in, take some of that and I'll come up
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with some profile for you." Um, according to Russell, the bomber suffered from a quote textbook case of
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paranoia. Okay. He said, and I quote, "These are the people who eventually go on to become God. They feel they are
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omnipotent. the the paranoic, which is like what I I've never heard of that the paranoic. Yeah. Um is the world's
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champion grudgeholder. Once he gets the idea that somebody has wronged him or is
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out to hurt him, the idea just stays in his mind. Nothing you can say will make the paranoic change his mind. He can
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marshall all kinds of compelling evidence to support his central premise. His delusion is rooted in reality in
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such a way that it baffles efforts to dispel it. The paranoic is pathologically self-centered. His
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delusion is essentially a defense of his love love object, himself. It's the cornerstone of his being. Without it,
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he'd collapse. Instead of admitting failings or weakness in himself, he attributes all his troubles to the
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minations of some powerful agency that is out to destroy him. A paranoic doesn't believe he has a mental
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disorder. He knows he is intellectually superior. Why does that sound like several people I know? As soon as I read
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that, I went, "Oh, no. I know some people like that. That's scary." I said, "Oh, okay. That's
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interesting." The whole time I'm sitting here, I'm like, "You're like, I'm sorry." Oh, oh,
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I've said that about so and so. Oh, yeah. My favorite part is his delusion is essentially a defense of his love
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love object himself. Yeah. And it it's the cornerstone of his being. Without it, he'd collapse. He like that is
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shocking. shocking. So, and it does sound very on point here. The profile included a basic physical description of
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the bomber, describing him as a pretty much, you know, ordinary man, even unassuming. They said he's I mean, he's
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got to be unassuming. He's been doing this for 15 [ __ ] years. Exactly. He was the kind of person you wouldn't
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notice in a crowd. He just float by because you haven't noticed him in a crowd. Exactly. And I love how they're
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like he's like using my myulations. It's like I mean that's a pretty safe one to Hey. Hey sir, facts.
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Yeah, facts. You got it for sure. And equally important, he was middle-aged or older, which Brussels concluded due to
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the bombers's use of antiquated phrases like dastardly deeds and frustrated ghouls when referring to Coned. He said
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he speaks kind of cringe. It speaks kind of uh kind of boomer, you know. Uh like
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any criminal profile, Russell's report on the mad bomber contained a number of assumptions and presumptions that if
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directed at a specific individual, especially a narcissistic individual, it would likely be pretty offensive, if not
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outrageous, to them. Because of this, Russell said, "Hey, detectives, you should probably publish portions of this
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report in the papers." Yep. And he said, "By putting these theories of mine in the papers, you might prod the bomber
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out of hiding. He'll read what I've said about him and it'll challenge him." Which is pretty smart. Yeah. On December
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25th, 1956, large large portions of the profile were published in papers across the city.
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Said, "Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, you dick." Uh followed by an open letter
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to the bomber published in the New New York Journal American urging him to turn himself in. Just as Brussel predicted,
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the strategically placed profile in open letter worked because on January 10th, the editor at the New York Journal
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American received a reply. According to the letter, which was postmarked from Mount Vernon, New York on December 27th,
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the bomber was quote, "Keeping a Christmas truce, but fully intended to continue his campaign." Okay. He said,
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"Before I am finished, the Con Edison Company will wish that they had brought to me in their teeth what they had
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cheated me out of." Oh. Uh, as for turning himself into the police, he said, "Fuck no." He said, "Placing
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myself in custody would be stupid. My days on earth are numbered. Most of my adult life has been spent in bed. My one
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consolidation is that I can strike back, even from the grave, for the dastardly acts against me." From the grave?
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Yeah. The first letter from FP revealed more potentially identifying information
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about the bomber. Like, this really revealed a little. I I think publishing that report was brilliant because it
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made him spill he got sloppy. Yeah. With his response. Um but the second letter received from the by the journal
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American 4 days later provided even more revealing [ __ ] In it, the bomber claimed he'd quote decided on bombs
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after he was repeatedly denied compensation from Coned for an injury suffered on the job 20 years earlier. He
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said, "I did not get a single penny for a lifetime of misery and suff suffering." That's sad. Which is sad.
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Yeah. Um but you're like, "Dude, but that's not the way to handle it." He probably didn't realize it at the time,
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but he had inadvertently given investigators a great deal of information about his circumstances, and
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it helped them narrow down the pool of suspects from millions to just a handful of people. Yeah. Using that information
00:26:34
in the letters, Alice Kelly, a clerk with Coned's personnel department, started combing through the company's
00:26:41
worker work compensation files. We love a Kelly. That there she is. Within a few
00:26:46
days, she had discovered a file containing many of the unusual phrases and words frequently used by the bomber,
00:26:52
including, you know, in the injustice thing and the permanent disability, like things he had used to describe what his
00:26:59
situation was. Right. Right. here. To Kelly, the file appeared no different from the hundreds of others she had
00:27:06
seen. The employee had been injured in an accident at the, and this is a real thing, the Hellgate powerhouse. Yo,
00:27:13
Hellgate. Wow. Yeah. In 1931. Scary. Uh, imagine being injured there. Exactly. That's
00:27:21
[ __ ] up. Um, and this employee was ultimately cut off from payroll in early 1932, a year later. Okay. He filed a
00:27:29
claim with the company which was ultimately denied, then appealed and denied again in
00:27:35
1936. The more she read through the correspondence between the employee and the company, the more Kelly started
00:27:41
noticing a quote biting style in an oddly familiar stiff and stilted tone in the writing. Moments later, Kelly came
00:27:50
across a letter they received from from the man, the same employee, after his second appeal was denied. And he and
00:27:56
this is what drives me crazy. I'm like, "So, she's reading this right now. If you hear what he says, you're like, why
00:28:02
did no one take that seriously at the time?" Cuz he wrote to them after his second appeal was denied that he would
00:28:08
quote, "take justice into his own hands." Oh, that's terrifying. Quote unquote, why did everyone ignore that?
00:28:15
Yeah. If someone's writing you a threat, maybe take that serious 100%. Um, and he
00:28:21
said, he said he would take justice in his own hands if they would not attempt to write the wrongs committed against
00:28:26
him. They were just like, "All right, sounds good." Yeah. And Kelly said, "The word injustices sort of remained seared
00:28:32
in my mind." That's so spooky. The more she read, the more the language and tone
00:28:38
started sounding familiar. Phrases like dastardly deeds and treachery jumped off
00:28:43
the pages. By the time she finished reading, Alice and the other clerks were pretty [ __ ] confident they'd found
00:28:49
the employee file for the man previously known only as the mad bomber. George Mateski was born George Peter
00:28:59
Malowskis Jr. on November 2nd, 1903 in Waterberry, Connecticut. Uh he was born to George Senior and Anna Malowskis. Uh
00:29:08
you're probably wondering why he has a different name now. We'll get to that. And why he signs FP? You'll get to that
00:29:14
too, don't you worry. Okie do. George Senior worked as a teamster then later um then later as a night watchman at a
00:29:20
lumber yard. and he was remembered his father as um he was remembered very fondly as a hardworking very dedicated
00:29:27
man. As a child, George Jr. was awkward and shy in school. Uh he had difficulty making friends. Oh, a former classmate
00:29:35
said he was a meticulous boy, always dressed well. He wouldn't talk to you unless you made the first advances. I
00:29:40
would say he was qui quiet to the point of eccentricity. A it was during this early period when his name changed from
00:29:47
Molowskis to Mateski. this. I'm like, we got to get together. Oh, no. A teacher in Connecticut had
00:29:57
trouble spelling. Now, his parents are a lot be um are Lithuanian, excuse me. Um
00:30:03
she had trouble remembering his last name or how to spell it, so she just changed it. The the teacher? Yep.
00:30:11
Changed the whole family's name. Just said, "I'm changing your last name." What? Yeah. Just his last name. What?
00:30:19
Yeah, it doesn't belong. She converted it to something that she could remember cuz that's the that's important. Wait,
00:30:26
what did she change it to? Meski. I'm like even that's like a different strange one. But also it's just like
00:30:33
yeah just you know a racist heritage cuz you can't be bothered to remember it. I'm like just write a godamn
00:30:41
it together. Like are you kidding me? The name eventually stuck, I guess, cuz he used it all through school cuz and
00:30:48
when you use it all through school, it's just, you know, Yeah, it's your name. But it also was a pretty big source of
00:30:54
confusion for people who knew him well cuz like he went by kind of both. Like legally his name was Molowskis. Yeah. Um
00:31:02
so I don't I don't It's wild to me. Uh so things changed for George when he reached high school. He was very
00:31:10
intelligent, very capable, a quick learner, but to those around him apparently he appeared to have a sense
00:31:16
of superiority. Superior complex, if you will. So that guy was right, the the profiler. Yeah. And he didn't take much
00:31:22
of an interest in the actual school work. He was very capable, but didn't do the work. He was above it. Yeah. After
00:31:28
just one year in high school, he dropped out in 1918 and went on to work several
00:31:33
lowpaying jobs like a theater usher, an apprentice machinist. Um, his former boss told a reporter after he was
00:31:41
arrested, "Well, he was a strange one. He came to work all dressed up in a suit and collar and necktie. He tried to
00:31:48
learn the machine business dressed like that, and he hated to get his hands dirty." I don't know if I suggest
00:31:53
working in machines, then. Yeah. After leaving the apprenticeship at the foundry, he continued just drifting
00:31:58
around. He completed a correspondence course in electrical engineering. Then again, very smart. Yeah, that's um and
00:32:05
then he served two years in the Marine Corps stationed in Mexico and the Dominican Republic and uh earned an
00:32:11
honorable discharge in the spring of 1922. He was only out of the Marines for like
00:32:16
3 years, but he loved the structure and order of the military. Okay, which I feel like that makes sense with what we
00:32:24
know about him. Uh, and he was just like craving it. He was he didn't like drifting around. So, he reinlisted in
00:32:30
the summer of 1925 and was sent to China and he received further training as an electrician. Oh, cool. So, he had a
00:32:37
second honorable discharge in 1929 and he moved back to the family home in Waterberry and shortly after that his
00:32:44
parents died within a couple of years of one another. Um, they left their moderate estate to split between their
00:32:50
four children. He had three siblings. Yeah. Um he was unmarried. He was like kind of barely
00:32:56
employed at this point. So he kept living in the house with his two sisters and they rented out the top floor to
00:33:02
borders. According to Greenberg, um following the death of their parents, George's sisters quote had taken on a
00:33:08
maternal role and had set about to shelter, support, and pamper their younger brother. That's sweet. In time,
00:33:15
George and George found work at the Consolidated Edison Company. Uh oh. working as a generator wiper at the
00:33:21
company's Hellgate plant between Queens and Manhattan. I'm like, did you guys like consciously name?
00:33:28
It's a wild one. Now, in early September 1931, George was working through the rows of generators in the plant boiler
00:33:35
room when one of the generators blew a gasket. Oh, [ __ ] Spewing toxic soot and
00:33:41
gases directly into George's face and filled up his lungs with all that [ __ ] Oh my god. He staggered around trying to
00:33:49
stay up, but moments later he fell to the floor gasping for air and coughing blood. Oh. So he drew obviously
00:33:57
attention of two nearby workmen who ran to help him and and they dismissed his claim. Yeah. And Mesky later said after
00:34:05
being arrested, "Apparently the coughing and blood were normal occurrences at Con
00:34:09
Edison because when I told these guys they weren't the bit surprised." What the [ __ ] Yeah, in the days that
00:34:16
followed, George could do little more than lay in bed. Um, and he was in like a rented boarding house nearby work. Uh,
00:34:23
his illness was getting worse and worse. After about a week, George sent for a doctor who was unable to diagnose what
00:34:29
was going on, but actually suggested that he go home to Waterberry, Connecticut, where he could get like
00:34:34
proper treatment, right? So, he took the doctor's advice and he went home and was
00:34:39
admitted to a local hospital and they diagnosed him with an aggressive form of pneumonia, explaining that quote, "The
00:34:45
pain, exhaustion, and bleeding had been caused by a series of pulmonary hemorrhages." Holy [ __ ] Yeah. Over the
00:34:53
course of the next year, his condition did not improve. Uh, after 11 months of aggressive treatment, his doctors
00:35:00
started suspecting that he was uh evolving into tuberculosis. Oh, wow. Yeah. So following his injury at ConEd,
00:35:07
he collected 26 weeks of sick pay. And when that ran out and he was unable to go back to work in early 1932, he lost
00:35:15
his job at ConEd. That's so [ __ ] up. For reasons that we can't figure out, they're very unclear. He waited 2 years
00:35:21
before filing a worker's compensation claim with the company. Okay. Uh but he was told he'd waited too long to file it
00:35:28
and it was denied. Okay. Which like, yeah, that's a long time. And I don't understand the weight, but I'm also like
00:35:35
he was dealing with tuberculosis. Yeah, that's fair. So, I don't know if that was But I'm like, somebody should have
00:35:39
helped him do that. You're like, I wonder why that that lag happened. Yeah. Um, in the years after that, he filed
00:35:47
one appeal after another, growing increasingly angry and increasingly bitter as each one was denied. In
00:35:54
between his appeals, he received ongoing treatment for his condition, including a
00:35:58
long stay in Arizona, which was paid for by his sisters who were financially supporting him. Um, May Matesky, one of
00:36:06
his sisters, told a reporter, "We've given up everything for ourselves to provide for him and give him everything
00:36:11
he wants and needs." Oh. When it was clear the executives at Coned had no intention of paying out his claim or
00:36:17
taking any responsibility for his injuries or the emotional suffering he'd endured since losing his job. That's
00:36:23
crazy. George decided to take matters into his own hands and punish them. Also crazy. Also crazy. Uh he later said, "I
00:36:31
had written thousands of letters to every newspaper, every radio station, every commentator of importance in just
00:36:37
about every church. I even tried to purchase space in the press. Even the papers rejected my offers. I never
00:36:43
received so much as one single penny postal card in reply." That's awful. Yeah. Um, and that's what his letters to
00:36:51
the state industrial commission, the governor's office, and Coned, um, they all went unagnowledged as well. Wow. So,
00:36:58
everyone's just ignoring him, which again not a reason to do what he did at all. No. Um, because he's also he's
00:37:05
already dealing with mental illness. Clear. Like, it was very clear that this was happening already. There's something
00:37:10
simmering under the surface for a while. Yeah. Um, but being ignored, it only exacerbated his anger, which sent him
00:37:18
deeper into the paranoia and the mental illness that was brewing. Um, and he started believing his only course of
00:37:24
action was to force the executives at Coned and everyone else who ignored him to take notice and acknowledge what he
00:37:31
had suffered, which again, not cool. No, not cool of Coned. No, at [ __ ] all. No, but not cool of George Mateski to
00:37:41
start punishing people for it. You can't take those things and that kind of thing
00:37:45
is like you're making pe people innocent people suffer. You know what I mean? And
00:37:50
it's like this whole thing is just a series of injustices and you're making innocent people suffer similarly to how
00:37:56
you suffered. You know, and it's like this is a series of injustices. It is. Cuz when you hear about the con stuff,
00:38:02
you're like that's [ __ ] up. Absolutely. Like real [ __ ] up. But it's it's it goes back to the very
00:38:07
simple thing of two wrongs don't make a right. Yeah. And this is just you're making again innocent people suffer. you
00:38:12
don't know like there's children in those theat corrupt you know organization here
00:38:21
um having found the file that she believed she was looking for Alice Kelly that clerk that found that file Kelly um
00:38:27
yeah you know the our girl Kelly took the material to her supervisor who delivered it to um Herbert Shrank who
00:38:35
was the supervisor of the coned task force and then it was turned over to the NYPD investigators contacted the
00:38:42
Waterberry police, but because they were looking for George Mateski instead of George Molowskis. Oh, that [ __ ]
00:38:49
teacher. That [ __ ] teacher. The detectives in Waterberry had no record of this suspect. Oh, no. Fortunately,
00:38:56
one of the veteran detectives thought the request was worth following up on. So, he did some digging and discovered,
00:39:02
which like hell yeah to that detective for real. I'm like, how what even digging do you do there? He discovered
00:39:08
that it was the same name. Like the name of the employee and the name of the man
00:39:12
who lived at the address that was on the file were the same. Yes. On the afternoon of January 21st, 1957, the
00:39:20
first groups of NYPD bomb squad investigators left the city and headed for Waterberry, Connecticut. Once they
00:39:26
had all arrived at the police department in Waterberry, the large group of officers traveled to Matesky's house and
00:39:32
arrived a little before midnight. At the house, most of the officers stayed back
00:39:37
while a small group went to the steps on the wooden porch and rang the bell. And
00:39:41
they all had hands on guns ready for anything to happen. They didn't really need to because they didn't open to some
00:39:48
raving, you know, the raving maniac that they thought they were going to see or some armed assassin. The door opened and
00:39:56
they were met by a middle-aged ordinary man dressed in pajamas and a bathrobe. The [ __ ] Uh, Detective Leane later said
00:40:03
it was almost like the guy was waiting for us. His hair was neatly combed. His eyelasses were spotless, sparkling even.
00:40:10
Damn. Well, everybody said he was meticulous. They said, "Your [ __ ] glasses are clean." They said, "Damn,
00:40:15
bitch." Clean lights. Damn. Sparkling even. I've never heard somebody describe somebody else's
00:40:22
glasses as sparkling even. Wow. The lead detective from Waterberry confirmed that
00:40:26
the man was indeed George Matesky. Then he explained that the other officers were from New York City. And he said,
00:40:33
Leah said, "We're checking on an auto accident. Do you own an automobile?" And Matesky confirmed he did not own a car.
00:40:40
And when presented with the search warrant for the house, he said, "Oh, that won't be necessary. If you say you
00:40:45
have a warrant, I believe you. Come on inside." What the [ __ ] Just invited them inside. So inside the house, the
00:40:52
detectives noted that it was small, but appeared very well ordered, very well cared for, sparkling even. Sparkling
00:40:57
even. And the two So two detectives kept Mesky occupied with questions and the others were searching the home. In one
00:41:04
of the drawers in the bedroom, they discovered a notebook with George's name boldly printed on the cover. And inside
00:41:10
they recognized the very same block printing that was from the bombers's letters. Ah, after finding the notebook,
00:41:16
the detectives asked to see the garage, and they said, "You should probably get dressed before we go out there." Um, and
00:41:22
when they said, "You should probably get dressed before joining us in the garage," he said, "This is not then
00:41:26
about that auto accident, is it?" And he said, and and one of the detectives said, "You know why we're here, don't
00:41:32
you, George?" And George shrugged his shoulders. And they just surrounded him. And finally, with everyone staring at
00:41:38
him like silently, he just said, "Maybe you suspect that I'm the mad bomber." And Detective Michael Lynch was a little
00:41:45
shocked at this response. He was like, "Wow, that came out of nowhere." And then said, "Maybe you're not so mad."
00:41:50
And he said, "Tell me, George, what does FP stand for?" And Mattesky looked at him super calm and said, "Fair play."
00:42:00
What the [ __ ] Which is like in a weird way, but also the most nonchalant arrest I think we've ever
00:42:08
heard of. Yeah. And they just were like, "Tell me what that stands for." They didn't even have to coax it out of him.
00:42:13
He was just like, "Fair play." Again, it's like a movie. That's like a line in a movie where you're like, "That would
00:42:17
never [ __ ] happen." Literally, that's the one that was so cinematic to me. Just like, tell me, George, what does FT
00:42:23
stand for? Fair play. Fair play. Damn. Yeah. At the Waterberry Police Station, George was led into one of the small
00:42:31
interrogation rooms, and he spent several hours talking to investigators. To their surprise, he was very calm,
00:42:37
almost pleased about being arrested, to be honest. He made no attempt to deny any of the charges. He spoke softly. He
00:42:44
was very, very polite. Um, and he just worked with them to create a timeline of events going back to the first bomb
00:42:52
planted at Coned building in 1940. Like, bro, do you know you're going to jail for like a really long time? Prison in
00:42:58
fact. Yeah. The following morning, the front pages of all the papers in New York and many others around the country
00:43:04
proudly announced Matesky's arrest. Over the years, several people had claimed either in letters or calls to be the
00:43:11
bomber only to turn out to be [ __ ] The bomber. Uh although they found no evidence of explosive devices in
00:43:17
George's home, the detectives on the bomb squad were pretty convinced they had the right person. One of the
00:43:23
investigators told the New York Times, "It looks good, but he has to be checked out. All things indicate he is the man."
00:43:29
After years of ranting and outrage, George Matesky was finally getting the attention he so desperately wanted. But
00:43:36
not everyone was convinced of his guilt. Huh. His sister Anna of which like I think his sisters really do just love
00:43:43
him. Yeah, took care of him. His sister Anna told a reporter from the Associated
00:43:48
Press he wouldn't think of doing anything like that. He's one of the best fellows you ever saw. Oh, break my
00:43:53
heart. I know. Whether his sisters believed it or not, George never wavered in his admission of guilt for at least
00:44:00
30 bombs placed around New York City. And he knew what FP meant. After his interrogation in Waterberry, he was
00:44:06
transferred back to New York where he was arraigned on one charge of felonious assault for the Penn Station bomb that
00:44:11
injured the porter. one count of malicious mischief and one count of violating the Sullivan law for
00:44:17
possession of bombs as dangerous weapons. If convicted of all three of these charges, he would face 42 years in
00:44:23
prison. Wow. But it was possible he was going to face many additional charges other than just bombs. Um and he would
00:44:29
face significantly more time for that. Yeah. During the arraignment, George's courtappointed lawyer, Benjamin Schmeer,
00:44:36
uh, argued that before any dates were set for hearings, he should be evaluated by psychiatrists at Belleview Hospital.
00:44:43
Agreed. He said, "The defendant speaks fluently and speaks very well. He is a man who could easily pass for your
00:44:48
nextdoor neighbor, but in speaking with this defendant and with all the thousands of cases in my background, I
00:44:54
see a man with a psychosis, with a persecu persecution complex. He tells me that all his grievment against the
00:45:00
public is satiated only by bombings. The defendant justifies himself against the
00:45:05
general public with bombings. This indicates a schizophrenic personality. I'm not sure that the defendant can
00:45:11
differentiate between right and wrong. I think he doesn't understand the charges
00:45:16
against him. Interesting. Which kind of makes sense with how calm and controlled
00:45:21
he is with like admitting this and helping them with the timeline. He just doesn't see this as something he did
00:45:27
wrong. Right. He's like, "Yeah, it's just something he did, period. This is justice." Like, so the district
00:45:32
attorney, Carl G uh Carl Greau, was inclined to agree with this assessment, and he didn't object to him being
00:45:38
committed to Belleview for observation. Mhm. He said, "My feeling is that the defendant's actions are indicative of an
00:45:45
ostensibly deranged mind, and this led the judge to order the commitment." On January 30th, while George was still
00:45:52
being held at Belleview, a grand jury was convened to review the evidence and hear testimony from 35 witnesses. After
00:45:59
hearing the prosecution's case, Matesky was indicted on 47 counts, including attempted murder, damaging a building by
00:46:07
explosion, and endangering life by maliciously placing an explosive in a building. Yeah. If you were found guilty
00:46:15
of all the charges against him, he faced a maximum sentence of 815 years in prison. Wow, it's a lot of years. I
00:46:25
don't know if he'll see the end of that. Fortunately for George, he would never face a jury. On April 18th, after two
00:46:31
hearings on the matter of his sanity, Judge Samuel Lieowitz declared George legally insane and ordered he that he be
00:46:38
committed to Madawan State Hospital. Wow. Um he said one would be less than human not to be sympathetically moved by
00:46:46
this pitiful condition of this hopeless incurable man. In the months since his arrest he had been evaluated several
00:46:53
times by the doctors at Belleview who diagnosed him with schizophrenia of the paranoid type. Oh that's very sad. And
00:46:59
they did confirm that George quote does not properly comprehend the gravity of his offenses and is not capable of
00:47:05
conferring with his lawyer to draw up a legal defense. Okay. In the months after, Judge Liboitz ordered George to
00:47:11
Madawan Hospital and they just like weighed their options with how, if at all, they should move forward with the
00:47:17
case. He's being committed now. Right. Ultimately, in September 1957, the prosecutor's office announced that given
00:47:24
the severity of his mental illness and the unlikeliness that he was going to improve, they were declining to
00:47:30
prosecute George and the case against him was closed. I mean, he's going to be in the the hospital forever, right? You
00:47:36
would think that. Um, I don't agree with this. Okay. I think they should have prosecuted him and just hold him at the
00:47:43
hospital. It's fine. He doesn't need to go to prison. I agree with that. Yeah. He needs help and like to be I think
00:47:48
they should have prosecuted him to safeguard themselves. Okay. Um, the next day, one of George's unexloded bombs was
00:47:57
discovered in one of the seats at the Lowe's Lexington Theater in Manhattan. Oh no. And it was almost like this was
00:48:02
like I feel like that was the universe being like, "I told you so. You made a mistake." So following the judge's
00:48:07
order, George was in such poor health from his tuberculosis that he had to be carried from the car into the hospital
00:48:14
and he was given just a few weeks to live. Wow. So he had like ongoing tuberculosis. It's Oh yeah. Crazy that
00:48:20
he lived as long as he did with it. Yeah. And what's crazy is despite these odds where they're saying you have
00:48:26
literally weeks to live, he persisted and his health improved. What the [ __ ] In 1958, he filed suit against Con
00:48:33
Edison in New York court, arguing that their actions had led directly to his reign of bombings over the years, and
00:48:39
they should bear some responsibility. The judge, on the other hand, disagreed and denied Matesky's claim. Those two
00:48:45
things don't necessarily correlate. In 1956, nearly 10 years after he commit he was committed to the state hospital, he
00:48:52
successfully petitioned the New York uh appeals court to have his mental health re-evaluated and sending a pending a
00:48:58
positive report gain his freedom. Oh. In his appeal request, he claimed that he was quote not given an
00:49:06
opportunity to present evidence in support of his petition or to cross-examine a medical witness.
00:49:12
Unfortunately for George, after reviewing that case, he was deemed incompetent in order to remain there
00:49:17
until he was deemed well enough to be released. Several years later, in 1973, he again petitioned the court for
00:49:25
re-evaluation, and this time he was successful. On December 13th, 1973, after 17 years of incarceration, he was
00:49:33
released. During his hearing, he insisted he had foresworn violence, but the grudge he
00:49:40
held against Coned remained. He said, "I have no bitterness, but I wanted to show
00:49:45
up what was done to me." Which to me says that's dark. You're still not really taking responsibility. Yeah,
00:49:52
you're you're putting out saying that like I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for Coned, which very well may be
00:49:58
true that he would never have done anything had he not been so gravely injured, but it doesn't excuse it. Yeah.
00:50:04
Following his release, he returned to his family home in Waterberry where he spent most of his time caring for his
00:50:10
aging sister May. Oh. Um I know it really does like their relationship. Yeah. At 70 he said um or later he told
00:50:19
a reporter in 1977, "At 73, you don't make the rounds looking for work. Things are at a standstill for now." Years
00:50:26
later, when he reflected on his life, I will say this, George seemed to regret most of his choices. That's good. Uh he
00:50:32
did remain angry about the way he was treated by Coned which I I can understand that he said my life has been
00:50:38
a series of shattered dreams. He said that in 1981. Despite the passage of time and his
00:50:44
ongoing mental health treatment, George Matesky never really took full responsibility for the damage he'd done
00:50:50
though, which is not cool, and the fear that he caused. Um choosing instead to blame his problems on other people. He
00:50:57
said, "Every promise made to me has been broken." But still, when it came to his
00:51:01
interests in bombs and bomb making, George said he had put that behind him. He said, "You can forget all about that.
00:51:08
That's all over. I don't know if you can ever forget that. I don't know if we can
00:51:11
do that." On May 23rd, 1994, George Mesky died of natural causes in his home in Waterberry, Connecticut at 90 years
00:51:20
old. Wow. He lived a long time. He was very ill for most of his life. Yeah. like which is almost even sadder that he
00:51:28
had to live so long so ill but then you like you think of what he did and well it's just like what a layered case it's
00:51:36
a very layered case because it's like there's no I don't I don't know what the justice is here I really don't Yeah
00:51:45
there's a lot of different pieces well and with the whole like mental illness piece it's it's hard because it's like
00:51:52
did he ever even understand that he should have taken responsibility I know. That's the thing. It's like was his mind
00:51:58
capable of that. Schizophrenia with a with paranoid tendencies is like that's pretty serious. It is very serious. And
00:52:06
I don't know. I don't cuz like what Conad did by not taking responsibility for the injuries and suffering that
00:52:14
happened on the job there. Yeah. Is [ __ ] up. It's really just a tale a cautionary tale of not taking
00:52:20
responsibility for any either side. And it's like, and then the part in the middle with like the bombings is just
00:52:26
just insanity cuz it's like you can't cause innocent people harm because of something that was done to you by a
00:52:35
corporation. You know what I mean? Like I I can understand the grudge against the company that treated you that awful,
00:52:42
but going down that road is just it's really not the way to go. You're punishing the wrong people. Yeah. Truly.
00:52:50
But he clearly did not comprehend that. No. Which is interesting. And again, I wonder what it was like to live in New
00:52:56
York at this time. I know. Yeah. Um, like you said last episode, if anybody has like grandparents or anything who
00:53:02
are around during that time, it'd be interesting to hear. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. This that was a really interesting
00:53:07
case. It's hard to figure out how to feel about that case. Truly like truly truly hard to figure out how because
00:53:15
what he did was so incredibly wrong. Oh, yeah. No matter what. horrific. I can't
00:53:20
imagine living in New York, but then you weirdly also feel bad for him at the same time. Well, you feel bad for what
00:53:25
happened to him. Exactly. You You know, you don't like I Well, now he's suffering actions later. You support his
00:53:32
feelings of of bitterness. Yeah. But again, you got to there's got to be a different way, man. And I do agree with
00:53:40
some people fear and injuries. Yeah. Well, and I wanted to hear the rest of the story before I decided if I agreed
00:53:46
or not that he should have been prosecuted. I agree with you. They should have safeguarded themselves.
00:53:50
Yeah. I just I don't know. I think luckily he didn't get out and continue to offend. But thank go But it's like
00:53:57
that's that's a that's a gamble. Yeah. That's what I felt like. Yeah. But wow. I'd never heard that before. So crazy.
00:54:04
Yeah. Yeah. That's the mad bomber of New York. Well, write in with your stories and let us know if we can share them
00:54:10
because that would be fun to update on. Yeah. I would love to hear them. And with that being said, we hope you keep
00:54:15
listening and we hope you keep it. We're not so that you take one isolated event and take it out on an entire uh
00:54:23
city that's densely populated for many, many years and never say you're sorry. Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do that. And
00:54:29
be good to your employees. Yeah, exactly. We love Mikey. We love Mikey and Dave. And Dave and Debbie and
00:54:37
Debbie. We love our employees. [Music] [Music]