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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is something it's morbid [Music] it's morbid it definitely is uh I was
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more speaking about this life like yeah and you know what I think it's like this
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is morbid but we we crawled to the Finish Line the last couple weeks man it has been
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[Music] it's a week I feel like we're saying that like more often than not yeah and I want to know like what deity we
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pissed off yeah something something's awry we're gonna have to cleanse a lot of energy out of here because
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holy [ __ ] it was it was literally like oh is it done now like can we still really like Ram bam thank you ma'am bang
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bang boom holy [ __ ] [ __ ] everything oh my God what's happening we so you might
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notice that we sound a little uh not CR well probably a little crispy right now we probably sound a little crispy
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we don't really sound you know pretty as smooth as we have been that's because we
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are recording remotely because Ash is still down with the Rona my god dude the fact so I feel fine now like so I got
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kovid last week yeah yeah I don't know days are like seven days ago or something
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yeah it's been I think I'm on my sixth day right now and I'm still testing positive which is really [ __ ]
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annoying because I feel totally fine I'm ready to go back to your house I'm ready
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to see my [ __ ] nieces ready to record in person like I'm done with Rona I'm also just ready to like walk out of my
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[ __ ] house I was gonna say just get out of the house probably yeah I'm definitely a homebody but this has
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really tested my limits of that you've really bodied your home this last week and you're you're over it I almost
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become like a sarcophagi that I'm just like stuffed in to get me out and then as so we got the Rona which it you know
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we don't love recording remotely in fact all my fellow podcasters who do that like on the reg I give you a lot of
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props because it's hard it's not really enjoyable it's hard really difficult and
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I feel like it's you know we like fake that connection really well in person but we do but we can't fake it over
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there man it's true your pheromones aren't here to work off of and I don't know what to do
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I don't know I also just feel weird because I'm like in my bedroom has to work in my bedroom and I'm just in the
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Pod lab alone yeah it feels weird to be like looking at it it's very weird but it's been a weird couple weeks
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because after so we were dealing with that we were just trying to get the schedule down you know you guys got a
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fun John episode because you know at first Ashley was like super sick like this wasn't like a asymptomatic covet
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experience like I had I was totally asymptomatic Ash was like down for the count oh like if you really want to see
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how sick I was I'll post the picture on The Morbid Instagram that I sent Elena of my hair it's pretty amazing oh my God
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because I was in bed for four days yeah I knew yeah I could tell that you were super sick and that's we just it wasn't
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gonna have even remotely I wasn't gonna ask her to to sit for an episode that would have been insane so luckily John
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happened to be sitting next to me on the couch and he was like I'll step in and I
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was like how long have we been asking for that to happen I have been begging him to do an
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episode and he's like no and his his whole thing was always no everyone will stop listening because as my voice is
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terrible and I'll suck and everybody will be like wow this sucked and I was like oh my God
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a very soothing voice he does to me I'll tell you that much but it was fun he actually had a lot of fun like recording
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and it was nice like just to sit with him and hang out do this together so that was kind of fun that was very cute
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but I was get out of my seat Josh get out of my seat that's my chair that's my creaky chair he did say at the end he
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was like you know what Ash you got to come back because this is nice this was his one and done he's gonna come back
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we'll make him do another one I think well I saw somebody say that now they wanted an episode of me you Andrew and
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John oh my God that would be chaos yeah I feel like we could get into trouble I know it would be fun though
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but I think we should but I think he was helpful with that like thank goodness he
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stepped in so that was able to happen it was fun it was like a fun little different thing to do
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um and then like a couple it was a day I didn't I don't know what day it is anymore I don't know what time is it's a
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flat circle but very shortly after that uh one of my daughters my youngest one had a seizure out of nowhere and it was
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the scariest thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life so that threw things off a little bit
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because it was also around the same thing that was happening at the same time was my twins had their dance
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recital which I know it's like oh it's a dance recital but it's like they've been
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working really hard like all season for it they were so excited about it so we were trying to make sure that we made
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that super normal for them kept that going while also dealing with you know what had happened and I mean we're so
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lucky because my mother-in-law lives with us so it was a huge help because as soon as it happened really fast like she
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told me her neck hurt her lips turned blue and she just collapsed and luckily I caught her and then she it happens
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when I was holding her but John I called 9-1-1 John called his mom like on the cell because we were upstairs and she
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was in another part of the house and was like you gotta come help she ran over and she was able to stay with the twins
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while we were able to go to the hospital so it's like I was trying to sit there and be like
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let's look at the positive she's okay like they told me they there's no damage and that they don't think it's like an
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epileptic disorder but like we'll keep an eye on her but I was trying to think of all like the
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positives because I was like okay it's been a really shitty couple weeks and if I just focus on how terrible this is
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It's Gonna like break me so I was like I have to think you know I'm very lucky that my mother-in-law lives with us and
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then I can like she's right there so she was able to watch the girls like I'm lucky she's not you know something worse
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didn't happen you know it's all that stuff but um I feel like this won't be an ongoing
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thing yeah and they really do believe it won't be so that's a good thing but and
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everybody's been so sweet like all the people who sent like their well wishes and like you know did did witchy things
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to like you know like made offerings and stuff to like it was just everybody was
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so sweet and we really appreciated it and I just wanted to tell you guys that but like thank you for being so awesome
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and understanding that this was something that just like nothing else mattered at the moment no not at all but
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it'll put it into it puts a lot of [ __ ] into perspective I can tell you that much
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yeah I would think so I hate that I like couldn't be there because I even like being away like put it into perspective
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for me oh my God no like I need to be there it just makes you think like because immediate like thank goodness
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she was okay and that's all I could think of was like okay I'm just this is all that matters right here like I got
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seeing her face on FaceTime today I was like about to burst into tears and then I was like that will be frightening for
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you stay away what is going on but luckily everybody's on the mend everybody we're
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gonna get through this whole thing uh yeah we're gonna keep getting the episodes out and yeah thanks again for
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being so patient and so nice and kind about it we appreciate it you guys are rock stars you truly are
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so yeah that was the super duper fun week we had but guess what it doesn't matter because here we are and it's time
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to record Another more banana Michelle let's go well today we are going to be talking about the case of Savannah
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LaFontaine greywind so I think we should just dive right into it if you're ready I'm ready I
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think I know this name so but I don't know if I know the details yeah I had heard of um this case because it's like
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pretty recent but I hadn't heard all the details and I do just want to let people
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know that um this is a case of like kidnapping and a very intricate way of going about it
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and there's a lot of mention about domestic abuse as well so eek just to be aware of that okay
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so Savannah LaFontaine greywind was a young woman born on August 9 1995 making her a Leo and obviously I had to dive
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into that because you know who I am of course so the three category or not categories the
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three qualities that I feel like really summed her and Leo women in general up were strong-willed determined and
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fiercely loyal love it all of those traits sound like they definitely described her to a t so she grew up in
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North Dakota she was like super duper close with her family her parents nor better and Joseph graywind had four
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children together uh there was Savannah and then she had two brothers Casey and Joe and a sister Kayla
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now this family was an indigenous family and in most sources you'll see that they're from the Spirit Lake uh Sioux
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Tribe but norbetta Savannah's mother actually belonged to the turtle Mountain tribe oh okay from what I've read it's
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actually not super common from people or for people from different tribes to marry so I was I kind of looked into
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that a little bit but everything I read said it's not common so I would be interested to hear if we have any Native
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American listeners or indigenous listeners that want to elaborate on that because it was something I was
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interested in but couldn't find a lot of information on that's really interesting
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I didn't know that I didn't even know that was a thing who knows maybe I'm wrong maybe that's
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just like what the internet says and they could be wrong you never know yeah but because we're focusing on Savannah I
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did want to talk a little bit more about the tribe that she was a part of which again is the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe
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okay now this tribe actually used to be known as The Devil's Lake Sioux Tribe and they've actually changed their names
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a couple of times but in the early 90s they officially changed it to Spirit like Sue
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um and when the tribe name was changed so was the name of the reservation that they lived on originally it had been
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known as Fort Totten Indian Reservation but now it's simply known as the Lakes the Spirit Lake Sioux reservation okay
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now you might be saying Elena why did they change the name from Devil's Lake that sounds so rad it sounds very metal
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but I was like you know what what is the the newer name the new name is the Spirit Lake Sue that sounds so soothing
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it does like it just it immediately makes it's like peaceful sounding it is I agree with you well and there was like
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an actual reason for it too because basically the people who belong to this tribe they actually don't think that
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Devil's Lake should be called Devil's Lake oh and actually I don't think the devil is really a part of Native
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American culture at all like it's not like Catholicism or anything like that where there's like a a devil yeah like
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character kind of thing and when the settlers first stepped on the scene they actually misunderstood the name when it
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was translated for them and they thought that the translation of the Native American words and I'm gonna do my best
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with this me walk on they thought that meant Devil's Lake when actually it translates more into pure water source
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or you could say sacred or Spirit instead of pure oh that's much better so yeah their settlers go just [ __ ] [ __ ]
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up all over again yeah so the reason why the Native American people considered this Lake sacred or
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like a spiritual place was actually because of the belief in a Cryptid called the again gonna do my best here I
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think it's Gila is a gigantic female serpent who was said to live in the nearby lake and
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she had one on her mind chaos oh I love it so apparently she's got these massive claws she's got fiery
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eyes this like loud booming voice that the Native Americans compared to thunderclaps and she also has this large
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kind of diamond like gem on her forehead oh okay this sounds horrifying it is and
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it's only an even more horrifying because it is said that whoever looked into her
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eyes would either lose their own sight over time or just become insane wow now even if you approach this Beast
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while she was not awake like if she was sleeping just seeing her with your own eyes could mean that your entire family
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would perish oh my God yeah like she is for real and this is just kind of one version of the story there's like a
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bunch of different kind of versions that have come out over the years and different tribes have different beliefs
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but from what I could find this seemed to be like the Sue people's belief wow that's wild Cryptids are wild man it's
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our absolutely crazy yeah we're definitely gonna get into more Cryptids oh yeah I've actually been working on a
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couple while I've been sick yeah I love it oh yeah your entire family would perish but there was one way to kill her
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to do so you would have to shoot a medicine arrow through the seventh spot from her head because that's where her
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heart is and if you're able to do this then you get that diamond gem on her forehead which is called the ulon [ __ ]
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I believe and if you get that you become the greatest wonder worker within the tribe wow I love this I'm like but if
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you see her then your whole family dies so like you become this great wonderworker but did your whole family
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die yeah like is your family thriving or not or not no so that was just like a wild
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yeah it was just like an interesting aside that I thought would be cool to mention especially because she comes
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from this tribe so like let's get a little information on it yeah it's part of the culture
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it's part of the culture and thank you for saying that because it really leads me perfectly to my next Point that's
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what I'm here for that is what you're here for so Savannah's culture was something
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obviously just like most of us that is incredibly important to her and was important to her now her Dakota name
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which is I believe the name that your tribe gives you um is where Thunder finds her oh I love
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that it's not beautiful I feel like thunder kind of like plays into this whole thing where yeah
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like Cryptid had like had a booming voice like thunder and then there was a couple other variations of the story
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where there was like this big fight between her and this other Cryptid and it was like the like Thunder God all
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this craziness that's cool I love that yeah I was like oh that's really ironic that that is her given name yeah another
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thing that I'm super interested in but couldn't find a ton of information on is Dakota names I was like I kept trying to
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be like well what is that and then everybody just kept giving me the definition for like Dakota of a name
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yeah a Dakota name so let us know about what I was asking that's you've pressed an incorrect key
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thanks so much I know what Dakota is you know but something that Savannah was really focused on in the last couple of
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years that she was with her family and something that was really bothering her was constantly hearing that Native
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American and Indigenous women were disappearing Without a Trace or turning up murdered all over the world but the
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murders are still unsolved because they're simply just not getting enough attention yeah according to Savannah's
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act which unfortunately and fortunately we'll talk about later in the episode quote indigenous women face more
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violence than any other group and at least 84 percent of indigenous women have been the target of sexual or other
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violence in their lifetimes that's so sad 84 of indigenous women have been the target of those crimes and how isolating
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it must feel to have no one helping and that's the thing and again thanks again because that leads me perfectly
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into my next point the problem which honestly is something that we've touched on in the past I think in your episodes
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that you did on Willie Pickton you gave us so much great information about the problem and what we can do about it but
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it's just that these cases are not investigated they're not reported on no there's all kinds of arguments about
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which jurisdiction they belong in because certain like the the actual like police departments think that it's not
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in their jurisdiction and then there's like Tribal Law force and just like so much
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yeah yeah it's just but the real problem that we need to focus on is that this community
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has been so marginalized and people need to actually spread awareness which hopefully will lead us to actually
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ending so much of this loss that we're going through like these women are just Vanishing from these tribes and nobody's
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talking about it and again it's just like they're isolated from everything because it's like they're screaming out
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for help and no one's helping in that thing and it's like when it when are we gonna do something about it but I feel
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like a lot of people think like I don't know what to do about it so but there are a ton of resources which I'm sure
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you're going to tell us too so just people putting me perfectly into my name here I am here I am you a great partner
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I'm just ushering you through yeah you really are no I actually have like a ton of great sources that I'll link in the
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show notes and we'll talk a little bit more about those at the end but cool I just want to tell Savannah's story first
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and then I hopefully like hopefully I can share those in you guys and us and all all of us weirdos together can
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actually do something about them yeah absolutely also sorry if I'm like not being clear
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I'm on a lot of cough medicine I think like going around my points a little bit oh no you sound great all
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right cool but just wanted to get that out there in the beginning I think we're in a mutual like brain fog like just
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together like a community brain fog I think that we're all in a in a place of what the hell is happening brain fog
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yeah we truly are all right so on with the story let's go back in the summer of 2017 there was a lot going on in
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Savannah's life she was living in that apartment with her parents and her brother but she was also eight months
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pregnant and expecting a baby girl that she and her boyfriend were planning to name Haisley Joe oh oh
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adorable the cutest name ever now the baby was due in September and in the meantime the family was just trying to
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get everything together that they needed to get now Savannah had just celebrated
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her 22nd birthday she had also just become a CNA also got a new job working with the elderly actually her long-term
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goal was to become a registered nurse and continue taking care of the elderly so she was really not doing anything
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doing absolutely everything doing the most like the most and on top of that she was planning on getting a new
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apartment with her boyfriend Ashton good for her like just like starting their lives
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together yeah like you said she was determined she was hard working it's like very clear it's so clear she was
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like she was truly a Leo woman yeah so Ashton her boyfriend was also a member of the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe and from
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the sounds of it like everybody was really excited for the two of these guys to start their family together I love
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that they you'll love this they had known each other since middle school and they
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started dating in high school meaning at the time they were expecting will hazley
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Joe they had already been together for about seven years oh my God stop it right like that's that's a fairy
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tale it is you know and when someone found out that she was pregnant Ashton actually was living and working in
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Minneapolis which is about four hours from where she and her family were in uh Fargo North Dakota I can only imagine
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that that would add like so much stress to the situation oh yeah Ashton like immediately started putting the family
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first and considered the new baby on the way uprooted everything and moved closer
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so that they could all live together oh man that's apparent like it just sounds like the two of them are really figuring
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things out and it's like I feel like like reading about this I could almost just feel like the excitement and like
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the room I was sitting in just like buzzing with like all this got to happen and like not knowing what to expect but
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just like ready for such an exciting time well and they're just like it's clear that they were real Partners yes
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like you can tell when people are just ready to like go through it all together have already been through it together
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and are just like only thinking of of their family and what they need to do to make it Thrive and it seems like the two
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of them were on the same page there they totally were and then just to like point
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out Savannah as well everybody was like oh my God she's gonna be an amazing mom like she's super good with kids she was
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really really involved in she was like a huge part of her niece and nephews lives
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she literally was like helping raise them oh my God I love it obviously this next like sentence is
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going to really bum everybody out because her obituary would later point out those kids were a huge part of her
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life and everything she did revolved around them so you know she would have been this amazing mother
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absolutely and just like the fact that like that's like her niece and nephew and she's 22 but everything she doesn't
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revolves around them like that tells you exactly who she is that's how you are with the with your nieces though so I
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can love my nieces and that's why how I feel about you that you're gonna be an amazing Mom oh my God stop it it's true
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we have a lot of stuff to do before that happens but when it happens you'll be great I'll be vibing oh my God in Drew
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oh and they are obsessed with him oh my God your youngest could you quickly just
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tell that oh my God after uh after she got out of the hospital um the girls my mother-in-law had taken
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the girls while we were in the hospital to get her like little stuffies just to cheer up and she got the two stuffies
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and I asked her what are you gonna name them and she held one up and said I would like to name this one Drew Drew
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and the other one cat food don't have cats like she only knows she only knows Franklin and Lux and I love
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that she sleeps with Drew Drew every night now she sleeps with Drew Frankie and Lexie yes
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it really just TT's missing I guess we have to get her ATT stuff to get a TT stuffy I'm like listen I'm the OG of all
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this squad I love it Drew Drew is the sloth yeah like not not in a bad way just like he's
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like it makes sense I feel yeah like because I love sloths I love Drew there's so many fun facts about sloths
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we're digressing but but Savannah is that kind of that kind of Aunt you know where you're just like you when you
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decide to do it if you decide to do it you're gonna be amazing at it you can tell
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exactly now at the time of that Savannah and her family were living in the apartment
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complex unfortunately so were two actual pieces of human ship piles named Brook Cruz who was I believe 36 but her age
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varies from 36 to 38 and her boyfriend Willem uh William excuse me Holland who was 32. oh
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they are atrocious they had been dating for about three years at the time they were in the apartment but their
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relationship was completely volatile since they had moved into the build into the building around May of 2016 there
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were countless fights that would literally like shake the ceilings of the apartments beneath them oh and it wasn't
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a huge complex there were only seven units within this building so the neighbors knew where the sounds were
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coming from and they were constantly calling the cops to check things out cops were coming and going from the
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apartment at all hours and unfortunately there were countless domestic disputes that turned physical oh that's awful
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it is on one occasion William actually threw Brooke into their bathtub and later pleaded guilty to assault oh my
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God now when that happened a no contact order was also put into effect but just six months later the police were called
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to the apartment again for another disturbance report and sure enough William was there when he should not
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have been it's like how do you do that to someone that you supposedly care about I have no idea I have no idea how
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people do any of the things that this specific paragraph is going to cover but oh geez because this is really rough
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just so everybody knows now the the cops get there and they're like you're not supposed to be here like
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you're in trouble again but it would not be the only time that he would violate these orders
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he and Brooke actually both had paths with the legal system but they didn't seem to like use that to better
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themselves in any way after the multiple run-ins that they'd gone on they both had children that they didn't see and
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didn't pay child support for cool Brooke actually herself had at least seven children
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constantly being sued for not paying support one time actually by her oldest daughter like her daughter oh that that
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breaks my heart it does an ex of hers who was left to raise that daughter on his own commented quote it just seemed
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like she was more into doing her partying doing her own thing and not wanting to have anything holding her
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back and she wanted to go off and do what she wanted to do then do that and be by yourself but
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don't have children yeah don't bring kids into it I never understand that no now she did later mention to authorities
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that she grew up going like in and out of different foster homes and obviously didn't have the best experiences with
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them so I do feel bad that she clearly had like a horrible childhood and then was also clearly being abused by her
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partner it's like a cycle of abuse it's not an excuse for abandoning your own children or for exactly what we're going
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to be finding out that she did to another person's child and another person's mother oh God now talking a
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little bit more about her boyfriend William there interestingly enough he actually sued his parents for child
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support when he was 16. wow so I can't imagine that he really had like an idyllic childhood no but such a weird
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kind of like ironic piece of information there yeah and it's like people like they they came together having this
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similar experience yeah exactly yeah now he also seems to have children appears that he has two children and in 2012 he
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actually pleaded guilty to abuse or neglect of a child which carries a felony it carries as a felony according
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to the Dickinson press back in 2011 William brought his young son to the hospital for medical care and when the
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baby was checked out it turned out that the baby had a fractured skull oh my God
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now obviously CPS and the police became involved in the situation and an investigation concluded that there was
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literally no way in which an accident had caused that fracture and it also wasn't due to any medical condition so
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that's horrific child abuse wow they're literal monsters actual monsters now now
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this is going to [ __ ] enrage everybody listening somehow he was only sentenced to one year in jail for this
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and got two years probation this is what happens though I feel like this kind of
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[ __ ] is not taken seriously enough and it happens all the time I'm like how do
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you fracture your own child's skull and then just literally get slapped on the wrist that's what happens like not only
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like just like fractured somebody else's skull because that is horrific in its own right but you actually had a part in
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creating this specific human that you're abusing and it's a baby and it's a baby
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what does a baby do to deserve any kind of abuse exactly exactly all they do is all they do is rely on you for literally
00:29:07
everything right and like it is your choice to have them yeah and it's you're supposed to be a safe place for them and
00:29:14
it's like I you know it always breaks my heart to like think of these things but it's so horrible it happens so often
00:29:21
and then they it happens a lot that they get a slap on the wrist or they it gets
00:29:25
ignored and then the abuse continues we've seen it like over and over and over and it's like the abuse keeps happening
00:29:33
and eventually that kid gets murdered and then everybody's like huh weird something should have been done yeah
00:29:41
now luckily that was not the case for his son um he so he served his time and then a
00:29:46
no contact order between him and his son was put into effect good but it did end
00:29:50
up being lifted in uh June of 2012 so it's unclear if they've had any contact though but that's what we're working
00:29:57
with here and just keep the information about that felony charge and plea in your back pocket because that's going to
00:30:04
come back later oh boy so really just all around people in a shitty situation with just no motivation to better things
00:30:11
for themselves their family or anybody around them cool now Savannah and her family for Clear
00:30:17
reasons didn't actually associate too much with these particular neighbors but they were friendly enough like her
00:30:23
family they would say hello in passing it's like neighbors neighbor if they needed to
00:30:28
so on the morning of august 19 2017 which was 10 days after Savannah's 22nd birthday Brooke from upstairs came down
00:30:37
and asked if she would be willing to help her with a sewing project she was working on she went down to Savannah's
00:30:43
apartment specifically and she said oh you know I've been working on sewing this dress and I just need to have
00:30:49
somebody try it on so I can get like the final pins in place so this this is so planned so planned
00:30:58
and it's so planned in a way that's like hey I know that she'll help me because she's a kind person and she'll do this
00:31:04
like let me just take full advantage of that of the good person that she is and I'm sure she this is exactly why she did
00:31:12
this because some sources also claim that she offered Savannah money she probably knew this is a young mother
00:31:18
who's about to move out on her own of course she's gonna like do anything she can for a little extra cash of course
00:31:24
she's bringing a freaking baby into them yeah so Savannah agreed and she was like oh
00:31:29
sure like I'll be up in just a minute and she told her mom she was like oh like I'm just gonna go help out this
00:31:34
lady but just so you know I just ordered a pizza like I left the money over there
00:31:38
it's gonna be coming soon so if it gets here while I'm here like blah blah whatever and before turning to leave she
00:31:45
commented to her mom and said something along the lines of you don't think this lady's crazy right oh and her mom said
00:31:53
like of course I don't who they honestly probably felt bad for knowing that the cops were coming all
00:32:02
the time how could she know it that she was planning exactly what she was she couldn't she 100 couldn't there's no way
00:32:09
why would you ever expect that what I'm about to tell you would ever happen to you or to anybody a normal happy like
00:32:17
sweet people do not assume that this woman that's asking this pregnant woman to come down to her apartment to help
00:32:24
her out is gonna do something at all like no one would ever think that that's just never
00:32:31
this is your neighbor like it's like you know them you see them you know that they've got some stuff going on clearly
00:32:36
but like it's never involved you in the past so why would you ever think anything was going to happen I know and
00:32:41
it's a real bummer because it makes you sit there and go like I know I'm this way I'm like I don't want to help
00:32:46
anybody like I'm not a trap you just don't know that's the thing so once inside it is believed that
00:32:55
Brooke started arguing with Savannah saying that she was mistreating cats like that's what is said in every single
00:33:02
Source I'm not sure if they were Brooks cats in particular or somebody else's all I know is that it was clearly just
00:33:09
something to say to confuse Savannah and start a fight I was yeah just to start it off on like an aggressive kind of
00:33:16
note exactly so at some point it started off aggressive it gets more aggressive and escalates and Brooke lunges at
00:33:24
Savannah who is eight months pregnant knocks her to the ground and this is all in the bathroom so when Savannah fell
00:33:30
her head hit the sink so hard that she was knocked unconscious oh my God and you know what you feel so vulnerable
00:33:38
pregnant anyways well I can't imagine like I can tell you like fully like I remember John when I was pregnant with
00:33:46
the twins he set me up to get like a massage like a pregnancy massage like a special one because I had like super bad
00:33:52
back pain and we had to go through like getting a doctor's note because like at that you'd have to be like super careful
00:33:59
because you could like go into labor so it was a big the whole thing and I got so freaked out that I didn't go at the
00:34:06
last second because I was like I feel so helpless and like vulnerable and I I just don't want to be in a vulnerable
00:34:13
position while pregnant with someone I don't know even though this is a licensed massage therapist who has like
00:34:20
a storefront and everything I'm like so an experience too especially for like if
00:34:25
you're a first time Mom which you were and obviously Savannah was going to be you don't know like anything that's
00:34:30
gonna happen to your body and your one goal like your one job is just to keep that baby and yourself safe that's all
00:34:38
you think about about a lot of pressure like I can only imagine why that would make you feel so vulnerable and she was
00:34:44
probably like I just like I oh I just want to like reach out and hug Savannah because in that moment she was probably
00:34:49
only thinking of protecting that baby in her belly um and just a trigger warning the next
00:34:57
part is going to get very graphic and pretty detailed so if you don't want to stick around for that I understand but
00:35:05
it's coming just so you know Skip forward um yeah so she knocks Savannah unconscious to the ground and then she
00:35:13
goes and gets some kind of knife from the kitchen I was just like nobody knew exactly what kind of knife it was it
00:35:19
could have been like a utility knife it could have been a kitchen knife I'm not sure but she cut Savannah from hip to
00:35:25
hip and performed some kind of sick at home procedure that I'm not even gonna dare call a C-section but it was like it
00:35:33
was a crude C-section oh my God now once the baby was out like she delivered the
00:35:39
baby placed it inside the bathtub and luckily I'm just gonna let you go all know right away the baby lives oh thank
00:35:45
goodness unfortunately Savannah would not survive this she was alive when the baby was
00:35:52
quote unquote delivered but she was essentially just bleeding out because she didn't have proper medical care so
00:35:58
she was alive when she cut that baby out of her stomach she was unconscious for most of it oh
00:36:07
and just like oh it's like it's kill I literally am like oh because you just know what this is like to have a bait to
00:36:14
deliver a baby but to think of it in these circumstances and she just uh just to that helpless feeling I can't imagine
00:36:20
it she probably wasn't even thinking of anything but that baby if she was conscious which my God I hope she wasn't
00:36:27
I really hope she wasn't yeah so Brooke just tends to the baby while Savannah's basically bleeding out
00:36:34
on the floor and I guess she just really ignored her until William came home and
00:36:39
I guess when he got there he immediately obviously saw Savannah and was like is she dead which also what
00:36:46
I'm sorry like you know that you are too monstrous pieces of [ __ ] when one of you can walk
00:36:55
into your home on a random day and see a woman who has had a baby cut out of her
00:37:02
womb on the floor and your first reaction is is she dead I would you have any other questions
00:37:09
you're not completely blown away by the fact that there is a heart like a a wounded woman in your home right now
00:37:17
like you don't what not at all wow now Brook's response I'm not sure please help me
00:37:26
what I I have no words I have no words for these [ __ ] I really like I wow and they've both brought children into
00:37:35
the world themselves this is that's like a really wild thing to me for her at least seven times yeah wow yeah so it
00:37:44
was then that he grabbed a rope and manually manually strangled Savannah to death to
00:37:51
to finish it off what [ __ ] I can't say it enough what [ __ ] monsters absolute [ __ ] monsters now the him
00:38:00
like finishing everything and with the Rope was actually later debated because some people thought that it was actually
00:38:08
Brooke who had done that oh my God so nobody exactly knows what his level of participation was but he was there and
00:38:17
he didn't stop it and he didn't do anything to help her and his past tells us everything we need
00:38:22
to know yeah he's a violent person it's very clear yeah they are so irredeemable
00:38:30
and his whole family is downstairs while this is how oh my God because her mother nor betta started
00:38:38
panicking because Savannah hadn't said she was going anywhere other than upstairs and when she hadn't come back
00:38:44
down after a little bit norberta actually went upstairs and knocked on the door to see like oh like is what's
00:38:49
going on like where is she and Brooke told her that Savannah had actually left around 2 30 that afternoon oh my God
00:38:57
meanwhile she's literally on her bathroom floor oh and of course this doesn't make any
00:39:03
sense to norbetta because Savannah had not returned home her wallet was left in her and her family's apartment her car
00:39:10
was parked in the driveway and on top of all of that she hadn't answered her cell
00:39:14
phone at all that day and that was just nothing that she would do and her cell phone wasn't anywhere to be found and
00:39:21
she when she had left she was like hey I ordered a pizza she gets here before I get back
00:39:26
from all accounts she was coming right back and she was just running upstairs to do this and then coming home and
00:39:31
eating some pizza oh my God which also just think about how how like such a regular day that would yeah you just
00:39:38
ordered a pizza like it's just like crazy to think that she like to think of her actually like
00:39:44
dialing the phone ordering that and then going upstairs like having no idea so haunting it really is
00:39:52
nor better obviously has no choice but to call the police and report her daughter missing and she tells them the
00:39:57
last place that she knew Savannah was going was upstairs and she hadn't seen her since then now obviously the police
00:40:03
know these people well so they come upstairs they knock on the door about 5 p.m they search around the apartment
00:40:10
and they find nothing oh come on it's wild because there's a baby are you and an East young woman inside of this
00:40:18
apartment somewhere what the [ __ ] yeah didn't find the beat didn't find anything
00:40:24
newborn like a legitimately newborn baby yup wow now they come back the next day
00:40:31
they do another search they find nothing still uh still a newborn baby and a deceased young woman in this apartment
00:40:40
and I can't imagine this is like a huge apartment and these two pieces of [ __ ]
00:40:45
have a very long history of violence and being pieces of [ __ ] oh yeah now Brooke
00:40:52
would later tell the investigators that while the police were searching their apartment the first time Savannah's body
00:40:58
was hidden in the bathroom closet so all they would have had to do is open that closet oh my God unfortunately I don't
00:41:06
think it would have saved her life but it's like you could have found the baby way sooner yeah exactly the second time
00:41:13
William had actually hollowed out his dresser before the police arrived and while they were searching Savannah's
00:41:19
body was hidden inside the dresser wrapped in towels and plastic oh my God and the baby was just hidden under
00:41:25
blankets and was sitting right next to William wherever he was sitting under blankets under blankets that's
00:41:33
safe yeah that's safe and how do you how do you not look under the under the blankets like I'm like I feel like I'm
00:41:40
watching a bad horror film here and telling you like to run the other way from what is right there and it's like
00:41:45
I'm sorry a newborn isn't making any kind of like cool squeaky surprises or cries or
00:41:53
anything under blankets and you've been here twice now like the likelihood of you visiting a newborn a
00:42:00
newborn's place of living and not hearing them twice in a row twice in a row like what
00:42:07
are the odds of yeah like so yeah the next day the couple carried the dresser down that he had haul it out
00:42:15
with Savannah's body in it and they loaded it into their Jeep they obviously did this at night they would go out
00:42:20
strictly at night with the baby I was just gonna say I'm either leaving the baby at home or taking the baby with
00:42:26
them is both are bad yeah and like she later said that like she took the baby to Walmart like at night so she was just
00:42:34
walking around this community where everybody knows that like what has gone on and nobody's like turning around and
00:42:40
noticing this and no one see like and the thing that's killing me is like even people who did probably see this person
00:42:47
it's like they're seeing Savannah's baby and they don't even realize it yeah and
00:42:52
but the thing is this this couple was said to be under surveillance yeah it sounds like when they got rid of
00:42:59
an entire woman's body yeah and we're running around with her baby no no they were not they were not under
00:43:05
surveillance that was important [ __ ] no so apparently like at work William wasn't so careful with his words and had
00:43:15
mentioned something about taking care of a baby to a few of his co-workers and they were like what the [ __ ] and
00:43:21
everybody again remember I mentioned this is not a big apartment building it's like seven units people within the
00:43:28
apartment building started hearing a baby crying oh my God I really hope that her that Savannah's
00:43:34
parents weren't some of those people I really hope so too but either way the people who heard that
00:43:40
and the co-workers put two and two together since the news of a local pregnant woman going missing had spread
00:43:45
and now their shady ass co-worker slash neighbor all of a sudden has a baby okay
00:43:51
so the co-workers actually went to the police on August 23rd which was four days after Savannah had gone missing
00:43:56
with their information now with this pretty big lead the police were able to get a full-blown search warrant which
00:44:03
they served the next day and when they did they luckily found the newborn baby alive and well and found Brooke and
00:44:11
William just taking care of the baby I know the fact that their plan here was just to
00:44:18
well we ripped this baby out of a poor woman and to stay in that apartment complex
00:44:24
where like her family lives down like that baby's grandparents and Uncle lived downstairs
00:44:30
how did how did you figure that out in your head that this was gonna work that's wild how did you figure out in
00:44:36
your head that this was an acceptable okay appropriate thing to do well just it it this is where like when we look
00:44:43
into these stories it takes my mind to like just such a harsh place because I just
00:44:49
think about it and I'm like these people left their apartment building during the
00:44:53
day and there's no doubt obviously I mean they talked to the mom while Savannah was in the apartment
00:45:00
and it's like they're walking around knowing what they've done and knowing that they have her grandchilds and
00:45:06
knowing like Ashton knowing they have his baby yep and they're walking around acting like this is and it's not killing
00:45:14
them like this hasn't destroyed them from the inside out as humans you have to be a sick messed up
00:45:22
[ __ ] in the head individually you're not a human no you're a monster you're something so like Subterranean like I
00:45:30
can't even it's wild to me I'm so glad my brain won't allow me to even come close to understanding that kind of
00:45:38
Detachment so luckily immediately the baby is taken to the hospital and put into protective
00:45:45
custody no once they determined that the baby was obviously Savannah's baby through GNA
00:45:51
the baby was put back into her family's Care thank goodness she weighed four pounds 13 ounces and she didn't have any
00:45:58
major health concerns which is Bonkers considering how she was brought into this world that's a miracle
00:46:04
it was September 11th when she was finally reunited with her family and it had been three weeks since she'd been
00:46:10
found oh they were probably so happy to have her because it's like this is a piece of Savannah
00:46:19
exactly and I've seen pictures of hazely Joe she's so cute just like her mama I was just gonna say
00:46:28
that I'm looking at pictures because Savannah is beautiful just breathtaking like
00:46:35
breathtaking and oh my goodness she is the cutest babe oh like she takes your breath away this baby and she
00:46:46
really she really looks just like her mama she does and there's a um there's a Facebook group I'm not sure if that's
00:46:52
what you're on right now but I'll link that too and the family will give like periodic updates about how she's how the
00:46:58
baby is doing oh I love that yeah I think she's gonna be like five pretty soon oh my God she's so beautiful oh and
00:47:05
she looks like her Dad too she's got like a perfect mix she really does oh man she's like gorgeous I know oh this
00:47:13
family is like so oh it's like breaking my heart to look at you're a beautiful thing they really are it's just so crazy
00:47:20
that she didn't have like any major trauma you know she was not only born a month early but in such a horrific way
00:47:29
yeah and got no medical care at all like a few like what a couple of days after she was born like almost a week like she
00:47:38
was meant to be here man she really was what a little fighter not for real so Brooke and William were
00:47:46
uh quickly arrested thank goodness but they refused to give any information on Savannah's whereabouts oh what piece is
00:47:53
a [ __ ] [ __ ] every time like you think it's gotten as bad as it could possibly
00:47:58
get from the two of them it gets worse now it would be another three days before Savannah's body was found her
00:48:04
body was found Sunday August 27th by a couple of people kayaking on Red River um this is a little graphic just so you
00:48:12
know she had been wrapped tightly in duct tape and plastic and the only reason that she was visible was because
00:48:19
her body had been kind of stopped by a log in within the river which is horrific but also kind of lucky because
00:48:28
I don't know how soon she would have been found otherwise yeah thank goodness she was found a total of eight days oh
00:48:36
now when the medical examiner so bad when the medical examiner finished the autopsy they claimed that
00:48:42
it was clear this woman was a victim of homicidal violence um there was a long laceration obviously
00:48:48
that went from one hip to the other so it was clear that she was the missing mother and she was later identified as
00:48:54
22 year old Savannah LaFontaine greywind when they spotted this tattoo that she had on her foot that said too beautiful
00:49:02
for earth oh my are you kidding me no oh that like just gave me chills I knew this already and it gave me chills again
00:49:12
too just and you know what she really was yeah she oh I just I hate that this baby was robbed
00:49:21
of terrorism like and like that's the thing like such a great mom yeah like somebody that would have like cared and
00:49:28
doted and just like poured himself into motherhood it seems like oh that kills me
00:49:34
now of course Brooke and William turn on each other as soon as they are brought into custody and they're told that the
00:49:39
body is found Baruch told the investigators that on the day she went missing Savannah had asked her how to
00:49:46
induce early childbirth she had just sought Brook out because Brooke was such a great neighbor knocked on the door and
00:49:53
said how do I induce early childbirth woman who I literally have never talked to in my life and why would she want to
00:49:59
do that no idea she then told the authorities that Savannah came back two days later in the middle of the night
00:50:07
she had a newborn baby and she asked Brooke to take the baby wow Brooke not only are you the actual
00:50:14
piece of [ __ ] but you are the worst liar I've ever heard in my life like in what
00:50:18
world is that conceivable it's not no completely unbelievable now she would obviously change that story when she
00:50:25
went back to trial in 27 or when she went to trial excuse me in 2017 and she was facing charges of conspiracy to
00:50:32
commit murder conspiracy to commit kidnapping and lying to the police badly she did badly she told the court that
00:50:42
she had lied to her boyfriend William earlier that year about being pregnant because she knew that he wanted a baby
00:50:48
really badly and she thought that was going to save their relationship also why you guys are why do you want a baby
00:50:54
like you guys are not functioning first of all why do you want a baby and then second of all okay then like try to have
00:51:01
your own and if you can't look into other methods that don't include stealing one directly from somebody
00:51:06
else's womb and here's here's a like a thought I don't know get your relationship together first and become
00:51:12
better human beings before you bring a human being into the world precisely a baby isn't going to fix you to being
00:51:19
pieces of [ __ ] together that's not going to help no if anything it's just going
00:51:23
to add more stress and everything so later that same year during an argument Brooke claimed that William brought up
00:51:31
that he actually knew the whole time that she was lying about being pregnant and now he demanded that she quote
00:51:37
unquote produce a baby for them because that's how that works you just produce a
00:51:42
baby who are these people I'm like if anybody ever looked at me and told me to produce
00:51:49
a baby I would it would they would think that I had just done some kind of magic trick
00:51:54
because I would exit from that premises so quickly I'm just astounded that these two are violent
00:52:04
awful toxic people in a toxic violent awful relationship and they were like let's bring a newborn into this yeah
00:52:12
that sounds good right and not only that but like let me forcibly tell you to bring a newborn into this like produce
00:52:20
god like people are truly as a species man I've been like hearing well we're we are not doing well [ __ ] we are like
00:52:31
that is wild yeah she also said that William specifically mentioned Savannah like talked about their pregnant
00:52:39
neighbor and she said that's when I realized that was the baby he was talking about that we would take this
00:52:46
baby from a family that we literally don't even know my I have I have like no words like they
00:52:53
are truly just abhorrent right and again it went so well the first seven times Brooke yeah and so well the first two
00:53:00
times William cool wow now William obviously denies all of this he said he had no idea that Brooke had been
00:53:06
planning this and he denied any involvement in any kind of planning or lead up he just said that when he got
00:53:12
home from work that night that all this happened he walked in the door and Brooke looked at him with holding the
00:53:18
baby and just said this is our baby this is our family wow I'm like and then you just rolled
00:53:25
with that you didn't you didn't ask any questions and that is some kind of real break from reality that she had like
00:53:33
that is for her to stand there and just be like this is our family now whoa no it's not that's like that is not your
00:53:41
family that is not yours you stole that in the worst imaginable way I that's just it
00:53:50
and he just and like you said he just doesn't he's just like okay yeah like the way we get a baby take
00:53:56
this baby to Walmart and I I can't I genuinely cannot so Burke ended up pleading guilty to all
00:54:03
the charges that I listed earlier and she did apologize on the stand saying I'm just really really really sorry I
00:54:10
wish I could take their pain I wish I hadn't done this there's no excuse there's no rationalization there's
00:54:16
nothing I know it doesn't help but I'm sorry I'm guilty and I deserve every year that I get
00:54:22
yeah Brooke you know what you can do with that apology yeah you know exactly what you can do it those kind of
00:54:28
apologies I'm like [ __ ] off just start it off with I'm really really really sorry like listen Brooke you're not a
00:54:35
teenager that just like got a ding on her dad's new red convertible exactly you took a human life you took
00:54:42
Somebody's Daughter you took somebody's sister you took somebody's mother and then on top of that you took that
00:54:48
person's baby uh and just I'm really sorry they're really really really sorry I'm
00:54:56
really sorry that I decided to plan out inviting her over to my home where I could Ambush her and then cut a child
00:55:02
out of her womb yeah and then to say I deserve every year I get we know yeah exactly and it's like honey you deserves
00:55:09
you deserve endless punishment yeah I can't even come up with a punishment that you actually do deserve and it's
00:55:16
like don't you how dare you look at that family and say like I'm really sorry I wish I hadn't done it that doesn't
00:55:22
[ __ ] help anyone get out of here no I'd rather than just say silent I don't think any of them should be allowed to
00:55:29
say I'm sorry like a hundred percent we just have that thought of the exact same
00:55:33
time because sorry means absolute dog [ __ ] at that moment the best thing that I don't know who said this to me but I
00:55:41
probably just heard it throughout my life if you were sorry you wouldn't have done it exactly because you don't have
00:55:47
to be sorry if you just don't do it that's why we have a filter in our head that says that's probably a bad idea
00:55:53
yeah especially murdering a human being is not an I'm sorry moment no there's plenty of things
00:56:01
to be sorry for murdering another human being is something you should never get to the
00:56:07
point of having to be sorry for that everywhere like you said like it's not like you dinged your dad's
00:56:14
convertible oops that yeah sorry didn't mean to believe that that was a that was
00:56:18
my bad moment whatever but it's like you system you like planned this out meticulously and
00:56:28
you put this poor woman who's already vulnerable in like eight months pregnant in danger and then you cut the baby from
00:56:37
her womb and then murdered her and then stole that baby and then acted like it was yours that's just
00:56:44
beyond my comprehension that's good yeah so luckily we got to the sentencing for
00:56:51
at least Brooke here on February 2nd 2018 she was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole bye Brooke
00:57:00
now for the charge of conspiracy to commit murder the prosecution asked that the court imposed the maximum sentence
00:57:06
of life in prison which obviously they did and for the conspiracy to commit kidnapping the judge also imposed the
00:57:13
maximum sentence of 20 years in prison so she got the maximum on almost every charge good as she should
00:57:20
now this next part is going to creep you the [ __ ] out so when the public gets a hold of this
00:57:28
story a few other people come forward with experiences that they also had with Brooke that now made them even more
00:57:34
uncomfortable than they previously had in the past oh no now one woman was at lunch with her family and her brand new
00:57:41
baby daughter that her family had just officially adopted and the mom notices a woman sitting at a
00:57:48
table and is she's staring over at them more specifically focusing on the baby and this woman at lunch says that this
00:57:57
was 100 Brooke and she was actually with William oh my God I hate this the woman who is
00:58:04
broke comes over to their table to compliment the baby and apparently just kept staring at the baby and repeating
00:58:11
she's exactly what I want oh my God now all just like while staring wide-eyed at the baby so the little boy
00:58:20
at the table was just like oh yeah that's my new sister Sophia oh like he freaking stoked about it without even
00:58:26
looking away from the baby Brooke just replied Sophia that's the name that's exactly what I want that's exactly what
00:58:33
I want okay I I'm like that just gave me full chills I would be like you need to get
00:58:40
away from my baby right now yeah I guess the mother like went to like to like take the baby elsewhere like to
00:58:46
breastfeed the baby and Brooke just like kept staring at them and finally drunk because they were so uncomfortable and
00:58:53
these poor people they're trying to be like polite you're trying to be like yeah like what the [ __ ] do you do with
00:58:58
that situation like I just said like I would I would be like get the [ __ ] away
00:59:01
from my baby you don't know what you would do in that situation like you're trying to be nice usually to say like
00:59:06
get the [ __ ] away from my baby like me and you that's our motto now but yeah but like but at that point they're
00:59:12
probably just trying to be like polite and they're probably like okay how do I get out of this situation without being
00:59:17
an ass and remember that was a baby that they had just officially adopted like let us have our celebratory moment and
00:59:24
stop staring at my brand new baby oh my God an ex-husband came forward with information that he believed she was
00:59:33
deeply Disturbed she had dated this man and moved with him to Australia after divorcing from her previous husband who
00:59:41
she had attacked with a knife oh now this man who she was married to I think they were only married like a
00:59:49
couple months and he found different journals of hers and found out that she not only had a bunch of kids Living in
00:59:55
America because she had told them told him that she didn't have any children he found that all of that out but also been
01:00:01
doing that when you have kids like imagine your kids finding out later that you were like yeah I don't have kids
01:00:07
yeah no I don't have kids yeah and I I want some actually yeah let's have like she was saying to him like wanting to
01:00:12
start a family with him what the [ __ ] wait you literally have like five other families what like go take care of them
01:00:18
and I guess she got pissed at him but then he found these super creepy journals of hers where she was talking
01:00:24
about different ways to induce labor different meds that would be needed to like induce the labor all kinds of tools
01:00:32
for at-home childbirth like scissors gloves clamps she was planning to do this a long time ago bizarre [ __ ] dude
01:00:40
absolutely and it also seems like she was kind of aware that she had like this dark side to her because in one entry of
01:00:48
her journal she wrote perhaps there are two distinct personalities within each of us Darkness and Light one of them is
01:00:55
socially obliterated fairly early or were born with the one I believe were predetermined with two distinct thought
01:01:01
processes that manifest as personalities is it normal for humans to have this dark side seem so
01:01:09
uh no no the answer is no no you you asked a lot of questions and the answer to all of them is no
01:01:18
no like yeah we can have two different personalities for sure I'm a Gemini I'm all about that but like not one of them
01:01:23
includes um stealing a baby from the mother's womb yeah and not all of us have that like nasty dark side no like
01:01:30
sorry bro like it's a little more sociably adaptable in some situations and not very much in others but you know
01:01:38
yeah so she she was 100 planning to do this a long time ago oh absolutely not a doubt in my mind yeah not a doubt in my
01:01:47
mind which is wild because I'm like you have actually seven chances at getting good at this like at really like taking
01:01:56
care of these you don't you don't want to take care of a baby you have seven that you could have taken care of and
01:02:01
it's like or even just give a [ __ ] about like you you couldn't even you couldn't
01:02:06
even hit give one [ __ ] you had no [ __ ] to give about seven other kids and it's
01:02:11
like dipped to Australia and like left all the kids and it's like did I wonder if she left these kids after they were
01:02:18
not like in that baby phase anymore like maybe she's just this monster who only wants that baby phase and once they get
01:02:26
out of it she's like Get Away From Me Maybe I know that her oldest daughter who ended up having to sue her for child
01:02:33
support she left I believe she left when she was like younger and then actually became like more involved in the child's
01:02:41
life when she was like 13 or 14 and then just vanished again so I think she was kind of one of those that like maybe
01:02:47
goes in and out or for some of them she did that and then for other kids she just completely abandoned them my God it
01:02:53
just seemed to be a hot mess I don't get it and I feel so bad for all the kids yeah they deserve better
01:02:59
yeah and for people that were married to her like I can't imagine finding that out like yeah I married you and had a
01:03:05
child with you and this is what you're capable of oh my God and her telling you I don't have any kids and then you find
01:03:10
out she has a ton of kids I'd be like what kind of [ __ ] monster are you seriously oh so moving on now to
01:03:18
Williams he had also been charged with the same counts that Brooke pleaded guilty to
01:03:23
um he was acquitted on the charge of conspiracy to commit murder because they were not technically able to determine
01:03:30
how Savannah died like they couldn't say if it was the strangulation or if it was
01:03:34
from bleeding out that makes me so angry perfect and they also couldn't determine
01:03:39
whether he really did use the rope or if it was Brook can we look at intent here
01:03:45
seriously yeah evidently the jury didn't think that he had been involved in the whole plan leading up to the murder and
01:03:52
they seemed like I have no idea what they were thinking but like I don't know them I don't know yeah I've never met
01:03:58
them I don't know huh so the prosecution though they wanted to be sure that they
01:04:03
could obviously get this guy put away for a long time and they were really banking on a life sentence so in order
01:04:09
to do so they wanted to have him labeled a dangerous offender based on his past criminal record which is something that
01:04:16
we've seen happen a ton of times yeah now they were specifically citing obviously the 2011-2012 incident and
01:04:24
felony charge of neglecting or abusing a child so at first that worked the judge
01:04:30
judged Tom Olson sentenced William to a life sentence in prison saying later I knew the only fair and just sentence
01:04:37
would be the maximum allowed by law yeah unfortunately oh come on was allowed to
01:04:43
appeal this sentence and the North Dakota Supreme Court actually disagreed with the original judge
01:04:50
they stated that the previous charge that was used to label him as a dangerous offender
01:04:57
was not similar to the crime that he was being punished for so it simply didn't apply
01:05:04
and this is why the justice system is broken [ __ ] this is why that is and this is a
01:05:11
perfect example he was charged with abuse or neglect of a child and they're like
01:05:17
failed skull was fresh that doesn't really tell us anything about him what a baby yeah but not to tell you what you
01:05:24
need to know this is what happens though I feel like it's we see it all the time
01:05:28
they say they look at that and they go well that doesn't really tell us anything really because I think it's
01:05:34
worse than a person who kills an adult anybody who hurts or murders a child is a whole different kind of Beast that we
01:05:43
can't ever let walk free like no no and for some reason in this country we take it like it's not as big a deal it's the
01:05:53
same thing as like abusing or killing animals it's like we don't take it seriously for some weird [ __ ] reason
01:06:01
and it is such an indication of such [ __ ] to come and for some reason we're still just no not a big deal no it's
01:06:09
fine it's like whatever oh so it's infuriating so yeah so he gets retried he gets
01:06:17
re-sentenced and his new sentence was 20 years in Pleasant in prison excuse me plus one year to be served consecutively
01:06:25
and he got credit for time served which was 775 days are you [ __ ] me nope this man is gonna walk around in
01:06:37
less than 20 years yup wow I hope everyone in prison knows what he did says pompous [ __ ] response to this
01:06:49
was a very severe sentence is definitely appropriate for what happened here I was
01:06:54
really angry about what had happened last time but then I stopped and I tried to look at it from an objective point of
01:07:00
view and I'd just like to say that I'm not mad about it I totally understand why you did what you did
01:07:07
no one cares if you understand because nobody understands your choice glad you get ours we don't get yours lock the Key
01:07:16
Rotten there rot in there like I'm all for like you know people Rehabilitation and Rehabilitation but people like this
01:07:26
that are capable of going along with something like this in my personal opinion I don't know in what world you
01:07:33
are supposed to get rehabilitated from doing something like that like I don't know and not only how horrific this one
01:07:40
instance was but that they have this habitual violent horrific child abuse piece of
01:07:50
[ __ ] way about them that is long into their past it's like this is a pathology
01:07:56
of behavior this isn't one even this one instance I'd be like I can't understand
01:08:00
how you come back from that and become a human being I don't get it but you tack
01:08:05
on all that other [ __ ] that pathology of abuse and violence and just piece of shitness and you're telling me
01:08:14
that man is going to come out of prison a changed person like I don't buy it no and to sit there and be like I'm not
01:08:21
even mad about it nobody [ __ ] asked if you were mad about it I want you to be yeah like don't you just did that to
01:08:28
be like nah like it doesn't really matter I don't care like [ __ ] off yeah no one asked how you
01:08:34
felt about your sentencing you piece of garbage well that's actually not a part of this no but obviously Savannah's
01:08:41
family was incredibly upset and her mother's response was we want Justice he deserves a life sentence I don't think
01:08:47
this man should ever walk free he betrayed our family he looked Us in the eye with a straight face while our
01:08:53
daughter laid dead in his apartment please don't ever consider letting him out is there anything that can be done
01:09:01
I guess you would just have to call like representatives in North Carolina or excuse me uh North Dakota and ask for
01:09:08
him to not be released but I I don't know if there's really a lot to be done because there's only maximum
01:09:15
sentences for certain things like he's not even in for murder that's the problem and that's wild
01:09:21
right wow it's crazy and she's right he walked by that family every single time he saw
01:09:27
them since he knew what happened to their daughter and just looked at them knowing full well where their daughter
01:09:34
was where their grandchild what they planned on doing with that with their daughter like it's insane and
01:09:42
what's scary to know is that Savannah and Ashton's daughter hazley will be in high school by the time that William is
01:09:48
up for release that's her it's like what if he wants to Target this family again
01:09:53
that's what kills me like this oh that's just it's I have no words when he loses their
01:10:01
daughter like in such a horrific way and then now they have to worry about him potentially hurting their family when he
01:10:07
gets released yeah that's too much man oh that's so infuriating it really is now gearing things back to
01:10:15
Savannah now almost a thousand people attended her funeral and everybody was wearing red shirts to honor her and the
01:10:23
other missing or murdered indigenous women across the globe uh this like wearing red was actually something that
01:10:29
was started by an organization that I believe we mentioned in your willy Pickton episodes the missing and
01:10:35
murdered indigenous women um organization yeah let's go they will always wear that color or use that color
01:10:42
in their campaign campaigns excuse me and a memorial was dedicated to Savannah on a bridge right next to Red River
01:10:48
where her body was discovered there's a plaque with her name nailed to a tree by the bridge and not too far
01:10:55
from the bridge there's this like giant beautiful sunflower field which is so beautifully ironic because that was
01:11:02
Savannah's favorite flower oh I love it right now in the aftermath of Savannah's
01:11:08
murder a lot of those close to her and specifically her parents felt that the Fargo Police Department just did not do
01:11:14
enough yeah they felt like the reaction was far too slow when she was first reported missing and then I don't even
01:11:19
know how they sat there and knew that law enforcement was in that apartment multiple times while Savannah and the
01:11:25
baby were both in that apartment it's not even like a house it's an apartment that's the thing
01:11:30
how did you not hear them now David Todd the chief of police basically said something along the lines of like the
01:11:38
investigation would have gone differently if we knew that the person we were searching for was dead
01:11:44
oh it's like shouldn't you just address every situation like it's that dire yeah
01:11:50
like he was like he was like we weren't looking for a body we were looking for a
01:11:54
person and I'm like but that's actually those are the same things well I feel and it's like isn't part of like
01:12:00
investigatory work not going in with a with a preconceived Narrative of what has happened there you don't know what's
01:12:07
happened you just looked at you or that person you you go in and you let what's happening tell you what's happening
01:12:12
instead of going in there and being like well this is what's going on yeah it was
01:12:17
just a [ __ ] excuse for him to be like my Police Department's fine they did not
01:12:21
do their job here not at all now tribal leaders across North Dakota were outraged and demanded that something be
01:12:28
done and luckily something was done oh so former North Dakota attorney general and former North Dakota Senator Heidi
01:12:36
heitkamp proposed Savannah's act which would require that the Department of Justice and this next part that I'm
01:12:42
going to say is straight from the congress.gov site quote provide training to law enforcement agency agencies sorry
01:12:50
on how to record tribal enrollment for victims in federal databases develop and Implement a strategy to educate the
01:12:57
public on the national missing and unidentified person system conduct specific Outreach to tribes tribal
01:13:03
organizations and urban Indian organizations regarding the ability to publicly enter information through the
01:13:09
national missing and unidentified person system or other non-law enforcement sensitive portal develop regionally
01:13:16
appropriate guidelines for responses to cases of missing or murdered Native Americans provide training and technical
01:13:22
assistance to tribes and law enforcement agencies for implementation and develop
01:13:27
guidelines and Report statistics on missing and murdered Native Americans first of all like I'm so glad that that
01:13:36
happened and I'm so glad it's called Savannah's law yeah Savannah's acting Savannah's act but how sad is it that it
01:13:43
took this long just for it to be like hey we should probably train police forces
01:13:49
on how to just try to look for these people yeah yeah it took that long and then it's sad that
01:13:57
somebody decided to do their [ __ ] lost move in office blocking this bill are you kidding me no I'm not so just
01:14:05
some reason that's the thing so that was like a lot of information so just to like kind of
01:14:10
sum that up essentially what Savannah's act wants to do is address large gaps in
01:14:14
data collection train law enforcement more effectively with these specific cases and according to the cut increase
01:14:21
communication between federal state and tribal officials so when it was brought to the senate for voting it passed
01:14:27
unanimously obviously because there's nothing wrong with it so unfortunately former Virginia senator Bob goodlotti I
01:14:34
think is how you say it he blocked it at the house level um fun fact too the district that he
01:14:40
actually ripped is also where Virginia's largest Native American tribes live I don't understand human beings I really
01:14:48
don't now blocking Savannah's Act was the final thing that he did in his last week in office like he really just took
01:14:54
that time to be an absolute dick yeah very cool bro the reason being was that he felt like some of the language
01:15:00
regarding law enforcement agencies applying for Grants from the justice department needed to be Revisited I
01:15:07
needed my visit no okay he said you know I agree with the bill overall but I just
01:15:12
want I reject that certain provision yeah I bet I'm like okay well then like take it out later but just [ __ ] pass
01:15:19
the law no there's nothing wrong with the law just [ __ ] off dude like just leave
01:15:24
you're leaving luckily Savannah's law was passed and it was but it wasn't signed into law until
01:15:32
October of 2020. that's wild it's absolutely insane I'm glad it was passed though
01:15:38
I'm glad it was passed too and a second act the Not Invisible Act was brought alongside it and that act is to quote
01:15:46
unquote increase intergovernmental coordination to identify and combat violent crime with Indian lands and of
01:15:52
Indians um I want to point out that obviously I know you're supposed to say Native
01:15:56
Americans but for some reason a lot of the language still says Indians I don't know why they're not changing that if
01:16:02
there's like if like there's a reason for that or if it's just them just continuing to be [ __ ] but I just
01:16:07
wanted to point out that that was a quote to finish this off I want to give you like some actionable items that you
01:16:12
can do if you want to get involved in the movement that is bringing awareness to missing and murdered indigenous women
01:16:17
a great source a great resource to visit is the missing and murdered indigenous women organization and I will link that
01:16:23
in the show notes um on their website they bring awareness to you know different ongoing cases
01:16:29
different events that they're like putting on so that you can go support the mission and there's also places to
01:16:35
donate to help the mission keep moving along and actually last thing Thanksgiving they had this campaign
01:16:41
called pass the red purse where they told stories of like their struggles as indigenous people and specifically women
01:16:47
and they passed around the purse and asked for donations and they were able to raise more than Seventeen hundred
01:16:52
dollars but wow there's so much more to be done I feel like and I'm also going to link the safe
01:16:59
women strong Nations campaign that's being organized by the Indian law resource center and again so I saw
01:17:07
Indian being used there too so I'm not sure what that's about if you want to explain that to me I would love
01:17:13
to be enlightened yeah if you would like email us and let us know because I really do want to know what that's about
01:17:19
because it does feel like so it feels wrong yeah because I'm like yeah I want to say the right thing and
01:17:26
that's what that place is called and it seems as though they're doing like great
01:17:30
things for indigenous people so so let us know um but yeah they're in their website has
01:17:35
tons of information about like actionable items that we can all work on different places to donate if you're
01:17:41
able to um I already donated and I did so in Savannah's name and I feel like if we if
01:17:47
you're able to donate it would be really cool if everybody did so in Savannah's name yeah because guys when we did uh
01:17:54
the Katie hawelka case yeah and I linked to that petition you guys got that petition blown up that thing went from 8
01:18:03
000 signatures to the last I looked at it it was like forty thousand yeah um you guys and you guys did that you did
01:18:10
like the video Power that we all possess together let's go flood these sites with
01:18:15
donations if you're able to if you're not able to do donations there's so many other things you can do there's numbers
01:18:21
you can call there's events that you can do and let's just do that all in Savannah's name yeah let's do it and
01:18:28
we'll link all of this stuff so it'll be easier for you guys to follow uh when we
01:18:32
post this on into like the Instagram and stuff will also put all that information
01:18:37
again so that you guys can have it in different areas but that would be amazing to just blow it up in Savannah's
01:18:45
name absolutely and just a little update baby hazely Joe I think I said already she's almost five years old now and
01:18:53
according to her father Ashton she is a quote unquote calm happy baby who is always smiling oh instead after
01:19:01
Savannah's death he obviously had to grow up incredibly quickly to take care of their daughter yeah and obviously
01:19:07
that was incredibly difficult in the beginning like your whole life is turned upside down you're mourning the woman
01:19:12
that you were with for seven years of your life and then you're a dad like all at once I can't imagine that but he said
01:19:19
that he's got a good rhythm going now and he just wants to be a good father for his daughter and he said of Savannah
01:19:25
every day I'm reminded of her more and more because every day she grows meaning the baby and she's starting to look more
01:19:31
like her mother I miss Savannah so much I've never put love into somebody like I
01:19:35
did her oh and my heart that update I mentioned that the family Savannah's family has a
01:19:43
Facebook page where they update anybody interested and I was looking through it the other night and I saw that there's
01:19:49
actually a GoFundMe set up right now for Ashton and I'm not sure what happened um basically the family like his family
01:19:57
is saying that he's very private and they don't want to let all the information out yeah but there's a
01:20:01
GoFundMe set up for him and it says basically that he's like fighting for his life and they need like to get to a
01:20:07
certain um amount oh geez so I'll put that GoFundMe link too if you want to donate to that yeah I'm not
01:20:14
entirely sure what's happening but I hope that he's okay especially for the baby and for yeah oh geez I hope so no
01:20:23
yeah not to see after kind of finishing this whole case and I got like amped up about the different things that we can
01:20:30
all do and then I found that and I was like oh no like I hope he's all right I know yeah geez well let's let's make
01:20:38
sure we blow that up and we we make sure we do whatever we can in Savannah's name
01:20:43
here definitely yeah is the case of Savannah LaFontaine gray wind and she deserved so
01:20:51
much more yes she did and so did her family everybody involved in on the victim side of things just deserves sad
01:20:59
but I hope that Hasley Joe is just thriving oh I hope so too I hope that whatever's going on with Ashton gets
01:21:06
cleared up soon yeah for sure crazy it's a crazy world that was a tough one but thank you for sharing it
01:21:13
because it needed to be shared you're welcome and again I'll put all of that information that I kind of like flooded
01:21:19
you with at the end that it will all be in the show notes yeah definitely I can also see if we can get that posted on
01:21:24
social media as well perfect sweet well we hope that you keep listening guys and
01:21:31
we hope you keep it weird I should never ever have to tell you that you don't have to keep it this
01:21:40
weird if you keep it this weird you're not a weirdo if you keep it this weird you're going to jail forever and you're
01:21:45
a disgusting human being yep that bye bye [Music] foreign [Music]