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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid in the [Music] morning haven't done one of those in a
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while I know I woke up to this morning and I said oh that just made me think of The Sopranos um I Woke Up This it took
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everything in me not to go go you're like I did no I I sure didn't I got myself a coffee and a bagel so
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little little different little different I picked up my pack see it's morid in the morning so
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it's going Beed yeah it's going to be silly for the intro it's true and then it's not and
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then it's not going to be simply not silly goose Behavior well actually there is some [ __ ] silly goose behavior in
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this case but before we get to it really interesting well before we get to it um
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you like books guys I like books you like words I like words do you like stories I'll eat a story up well guess
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what tell me there's a sequel to The Butcher and the ren called The Butcher game holy [ __ ] I don't even know own
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you liked the Butcher and the ren you're I think you're going to dig it and if you haven't read the butcher in the ren
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yet you should do that too yeah bu them let's do this let's go on this journey together everybody it's exciting come
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that moment thanks for supporting me me love you guys love you any other B nasty
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that's that's my plug plug I like your plug plug I don't really my only other Biz nasty is uh the total solar eclipse
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was [ __ ] mind changing I know you got to see it bending like in the path of totality yeah I was in that path of
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totality and it was [ __ ] gnarly the videos people took or like I didn't go outside and see it cuz I am lazy um I'm
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just kidding I had other things going on but I had other things going on other things going on besides the solar
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eclipse okay the celestial event not interested watched it on Tik Tok very very zenial
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of me that was very zillennial um but yeah the [ __ ] videos are insane and they don't even capture in in reality
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when you're looking at it oh I can't imagine it's the first one that we've ever seen and we were cuz John's like a
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huge space nerd he loves space all the things space this man is all about he's a space cadet he is a space cadet I love
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him so he he was so excited and he was hyping this up and I was like he had never seen one either but he was hyping
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it up just like cuz he was like I know it's going to be amazing he and I was like I hope this lives up to
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your hype dude cuz like this is the whole universe that you're hyping up it like surpassed his we were both just
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like in awe it's cool that you got to experience that too like as like with your little F the kids and cuz they were
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amazed like and that like Grandma yeah Grand not like nanny nanny yeah clar I have a grandma Nanny uh but yeah they it
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was amazing and then I saw all these people um got engaged during it and I saw one last night that the the
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photographer took the photo as the diamond ring face happened that is the one that I was telling you about
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yesterday that's the one it blew cuz the diamond ring phase in the solar eclipse
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is like when it's opening again and you get this burst of light out of one side and it literally looks like a diamond
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ring that was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen and weing we were talking about it yesterday like I can't imagine
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how much stress was on that poor photog and you could tell when she was setting up she was like she was like I'm so
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nervous I have to get this like but it imagine having that be your [ __ ] proposal and having it be the [ __ ]
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diamond ring phas get one on your finger solar eclipse and there's one on in the
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in the galaxy in the Galaxy the Galaxy like the moon was like let me help you out and just like damn you're starting
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that [ __ ] off right yeah I love it you're starting it off on a real high bar High bar it's like you got a lot
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that's it's only it's only up from there keep it at that that level crazy no it was really cool if you ever get a chance
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to see a total solar eclipse in the path of totality which like I know it's hard
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to do because it happens like every [ __ ] who knows one yeah I think the next one I'll be like 50 something
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there's like one in 2026 but you'd have to go to like Iceland I'll go which I was like tie me up I was like all right
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threaten me with a good time how far is Iceland like it's not a bad plain ride from where we are the fact that I
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genuinely was just about to say you could fly there you you could fly there you could fly there in fact it's
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recomend fly you can fly anywhere it's recommended you fly to this island what a wild question what a
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dumbass thing to say instead of trying to Traverse the sea I'm like they're a English Channel
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there oh I cross the river with your oxen I think that instead you should I don't even have any oxin so that sounds
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like a good idea also like flying is a real is a real gamble at this point sh don't you say that to me I'm literally
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getting on a flight on Saturday it's on a but you're on an Airbus am I I need to
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look into that I hope you didn't check uh I told Drew too [ __ ] I know I know check that [ __ ] I it's very complicated
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to checking had another [ __ ] up like no they're like legitimate like like something's something's up oh yeah
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there's a whole investigation off the started shredding I don't even think we should talk about
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it you got make sure you're on an airb I'm going to but I don't fight you guys be on an air bu you think I would
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actually sit my ass on a Boeing I would look before I got on the plane I was going to say I just might do it like 5
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minutes before like baby girl you got to do it we got to get we got to get a different flight at this very moment on
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an air bus uh hello husband we on an Airbus on Saturday right guys I'm going to Disney I'm so
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excited for her you couldn't even say that with I am I'm excited for you oh I can't wait I I
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love Disney like Holly Madison loves Disney at this point like I understand the love and I love it for both of you I
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planned the sickest outfits I'm I'm going to be H I got a tennis skirt see you you and Holly yeah oh I I love her
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style like especially her Disney style and I Marie from the Aristocats so I have one outfit that's all Marie themed
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I'm obsessed with this down to the socks wow [ __ ] me up wow [ __ ] me up I love
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that I even ordered um like pink shoes to go with my pink shirt you know what I'm for that yeah I'm out here living I
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I love I hyper fixate man yeah wait to have kids get [ __ ] excited and bring them to Disney and make them match me
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like hell yeah like for the short amount of time that I'll be able to do that I yeah you know what just cuz I don't love
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the experience of Disney doesn't mean that I can't be like [ __ ] yeah for other
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people you love Disney love Disney than you someday I hope I can tolerate Disney
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you need to go to Disney on the thing that I saw it on Tik Tok it was like world golf day at Disney and I think I
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think they need some more villainous rides for you yeah you know I think it's also just well you don't like hate
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Amusement it's just not I think the whole it's tough for me to it's going to be tough for me to enjoy it it's not
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your VI the only again the only reason I enjoy it is cuz the kids do so as long as they enjoy it I can take them
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anytime I'm just I'm I'll I'll suffer through anything for them I'll go that's true you will in have like literally
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anything so I'm like all right let's go that's really sweet yeah I can't wait so
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well that's fun let's [ __ ] go I'm also going to Mario World so John was very jealous about that you guys were
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going somewhere else and I was like oh man like I want to go there and he goes you're going to Super Mario World he was
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like [ __ ] off you're going to Super Mario World it was like such a like it felt like a stepb Brother's moment it
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was such a little kid he was like go Mario World I'll get him a souvenir yeah there you go get him like a like a Mario
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shirt Mario Mario all right I think we've bantered enough yeah I think we're just like I know this is going to be a
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tough one I don't know the details of this but I I know it's going to be a tough one so yeah this is definitely a
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tough one like let let me get my more serious Hat on at the top of it I will give you like a trigger warning it has
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heavy heavy themes of racism this entire case is rooted in racism and this is the
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case of um the murder of Timothy cogins so we'll get into it let's go and I just want to say at the start I would
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have been Timothy's friend like and you're going to feel that way too he just seemed like I feel like he would
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have been all of our friend and he just seemed like a friendly like just someone you would want in your
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friend group and the fact that what happened to him did just because people are disgusting like really pisses me off
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yeah absolutely and it's just gross so Timothy Wayne cogins was born in Georgia on August 29th 1960 he was the fourth of
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eight children born to Viola kogan's dorsy which Viola love it immediately makes me think
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of Viola Davis yes which is like a very good Association 100% the family didn't have a lot when it
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came to income or resources but they were really a tight-knit family and they were all completely supportive of one
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another so where they weren't rich in like money and assets they were rich in like love for each other which I love
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honestly where it counts exactly and despite an already Full House fola and Tim's stepfather Robert constantly
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regularly entertained nieces nephews friends they were that house you could always go to if you didn't have a place
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to go I love that or just if you needed some support in a place that felt like home yeah Tim's niece Heather said they
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didn't come from much but they came from Love and that taught them to love each other oh now despite their limited means
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Viola and Robert worked really hard to instill strong values and a good work ethic in all of their kids but most of
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all they stressed and I'm sure you can already tell the importance of family connection Tim and his younger sister
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TSA were only two years apart so they grew up with a really a really really close Bond TOA described Tim saying he
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was funny and outgoing Tim was a man with an irresistible smile who never met a stranger like I love the way she put
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that like he never met a stranger like they were friends immediately I love that and he was also really really
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protective of his friends and family especially very protective over his four sisters and his mother like you were not
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going to do anything to hurt them if was around and whenever one of his sisters was going to a friend's house he would
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insist on walking them there and back just to make sure they got there and home with no trouble oh likewise he was
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always affectionate with his mother and he went out of his way to help her Heather cogins his niece said there was
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nothing my grandmother could ask him to do that he wouldn't do if she asked him to walk to Atlanta and pick up a
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croissant he'd do it see he's just a good man he's a good man what F what friends and family remember most though
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was Tim's passion for music in the early 1980s the remnants of the Disco and the
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funk era were still really popular on the radio and Tim loved going out to the club on the weekend just to spend the
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weekend dancing like loved loved dancing loved music one of his aunts remembered
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he just danc anywhere he dance in the street oh I love that he has dancing shoes on all the time dancing in the
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street it's Tim I love that no in 1983 Spalding County was one of the more rural parts of the Atlanta metro area
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although it was actually the largest city in the county Griffin was equally rural because the town was so small the
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people Choice Club a small dance club and the almost exclusively black part of Griffin was the hottest place to be on a
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Friday night especially if you wanted to dance especially if you wanted to hear some music hell yeah this was the place
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to go I love people who love to dance hell yeah I feel like it's just like that's that's a very specific kind of
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person and they're always awesome yeah they always are shck your booty right now on the night of October 7th Tim
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caught a ride with a friend to the People's Choice Club where he was going to meet up with Ruth Mickey
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she was a local white woman who he had started dating a few weeks earlier according to a journalist Wesley Lowry
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even in the 1980s interracial dating was frowned upon in Spalding which is so wild think about that and it's about to
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get even more wild this is still his quote where a local Clan chapter still held regular rallies and
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parades that feels like it should be a different planet doesn't it like it just doesn't
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feel honestly at this point I'm like yeah that's Earth no absolutely absolutely now
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unfortunately it's like everything's I feel like everything is flipped on its head way too much very much like I feel
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like the the wheels turn backwards way too quickly but it it should be somewhere else like but it just feels
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like it I it's you look around you're like it it doesn't belong on this planet you know like this belongs on a on a
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less Advanced Planet less Advanced Society should be doing this kind of [ __ ] it's so true and thinking this kind
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of way it's just sad to think think that like black people living in this area were just subject to seeing parades go
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by full of white people that wanted to do the most disgusting horrific things to them and like literally don't see
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them as human and they had to just go go about their lives and just live and and
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share the same spaces and it's probably the one of the very big reasons why Timothy was so adamant about walking his
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sisters places and you know walking his mother places making sure like putting him self
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In Harm's Way yeah to make sure they're safe because they're not safe exactly because I think that's exactly right out
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loud that's the other thing it's like they're they're saying the quiet Parts out loud they're just not even hiding it
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exactly no it's so true and this was very much an area like this County was very much an area where it was pretty
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segregated like there were black parts of town and there were white parts of town and I'm sure they intersected at
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certain points and that must have been just so fear inducing for a a quot and to think that this like this
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was the 1980s this was not like 19 like 1919 or something like that like you know the the 1930s or something where
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you're like still you know where you're like damn even then you're like damn we should have advanced further than that
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but this is the 198 like I know people that were alive during this time you were I was
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Bor and it's like when I hear these kind kind of stories and like things like this it's like you and and I say this a
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lot but I can't imagine looking at a at a kid and filling them with that kind of
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hate for another person but that's what no [ __ ] reason that's what except for what they look like and it's so scary I
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couldn't imagine looking at the girls and being like let me teach you to hate somebody based solely on appearances but
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that's the scariest thing is you like you hit the nail on the head there cuz you think about it and these people in
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this area had been taught from probably the time before they could even speak to
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hate just to hate just to hate because of literally the color of someone's skin and kids are so open they're so
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impressionable and and they're so like they come out just ready to accept whatever ready to just make friends and
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be kind and be they do they just come out that way nine times out of 10 they come out that way we teach them this
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yep and you teach them that [ __ ] real early and it's like I don't I just can't
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fathom looking at an in like a very open-minded just untainted Childs and just tainting them with adult hate like
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I just can't it's it's good that we can't fa it cuz I can't either obviously I I it's just so sad I don't know what
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heads space that you have to be in to and honestly I think you have you had to have been raised with hate yeah like if
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oh if you're teaching that yeah it's a cycle for sure I mean but it's like where does it start it's got to start
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somewhere and it's like what the [ __ ] on the the bigger question is where the [ __ ] does it end like yeah absolutely
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are We Done Yet yeah how do you break that like it's it's bad it's you do see these people who are they come from a
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long line of this [ __ ] and they're taught that from a young age and luckily they were able to which which must be
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difficult if you're if you're like you know so indoctrinated to think that way yeah to break that some people are able
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to break free of just like the indoctrination of thinking that way and be like wait a second and start thinking
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critically about it and be like what the [ __ ] am I doing like you know like what
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am I what are these thoughts that have been put in my head yeah and they end up like going the totally different way but
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it's so rare it is and it's it's so sad overall it's just really sad and really scary it's just dumb it sucks so back to
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the People's Choice club that night and a lot of friends had pointed out that Tim's relationship ship with Mickey
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might not be the best idea in rural spalon County but their warnings did little to sway Tim he wasn't going to be
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pushed around by a bunch of racist people telling him who he could and could and they like each other they
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should be able to like each other they should absolutely be able to like each other it doesn't [ __ ] affect anybody
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else no who gives a [ __ ] that's the thing you don't like it look the other way everybody mind your [ __ ] business
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exactly and that's what it really comes down to even in 2024 that is still true everyone minded your [ __ ] businessn
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like if it's not affecting you who gives a [ __ ] and I think honestly I I remember
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my mom telling me when I was little like I've said so many things about my mom but this is actually like a good thing
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that she taught me I'm like don't worry it's positive I remember like I would come home and be like this person is
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driving me [ __ ] crazy I wouldn't say [ __ ] but I'd be like this person is driving me nuts and she'd be like you
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need to like ask yourself in the moment is that really affecting you yeah like does that behavior genuinely affect you
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and if it doesn't let it go yeah then shut up and move on I apply that to like so much of my life like if I'm like
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getting annoyed by something I'm like but is that really affecting me like outside of it just like annoying me or
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am I just choosing to let it or am I choosing to be annoyed exactly like draw myself into it right and I think more
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and more people need to look at situations and behaviors like that like is ites is it really affecting my life
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in any [ __ ] way other than I'm annoyed by it unfortunately social media has kind of gotten out of control at
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this point because people can say whatever the [ __ ] they want to say and I feel like it's just like it's ramped up
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too much now and it's like and it's not and it's not just racism it's all you know many other things and it's like but
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everybody's just allowed to have their [ __ ] two cents on everybody's business and and you can say something
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that you would never in a million years look at someone say and that's another thing when you're sitting there typing
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out a [ __ ] comment ask like a crazy ass comment ask yourself would I say this to somebody's face who was who did
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I see say this I think uh I'm going to have to figure out who the who the comedian was it was it's a girl on Tik
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Tok but she was saying that like she when somebody says a mean thing online to her she was like I picture them like
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having to stand in front of everyone they've ever respected or loved like their mother their sister their best
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friends their dad their grandfa their grandmother all the people that they respect and them saying that same
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comment to me while I stand there in front of all and having to just look at all those people and be like yep I said
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that I know exactly who you're talking about I can't think of her name Arin Erin Erin you're right Erin hold on yeah
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cuz I want to give her credit because it was such a good uh I think it begins with an H hat I know exactly I can
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literally see her face she wonderful she's very very very funny and she is very very good like insights onto these
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little things eron I sorry if I say your last name wrong Hader yes Hader I almost
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said Hader but I didn't want to botch it yeah but yeah I and I think that's such
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a great way to think about it so I mean that goes the other way too if if somebody's being mean to you yeah
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because I think a lot of people have dealt with like you know [ __ ] strangers on the internet just think
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about it that way if it's bothering you just picture them having to say it in front of everyone they've ever loved or
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respected and it's and it'll make you be like that was a dumb thing for that person to say yeah it's so true but I
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think back then it's like at this point in this story it's like these people need to mind their business just you
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know let two people care they're two consenting adults let them care about each other and obviously like this story
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it's like it's so much bigger than people just being [ __ ] absolutely there's not even words for what these
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into the stratosphere nightmare nightmare territory but anyway most weekend nights at the people's Club Tim
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could be found I'm sure you can guess at the center of that dance floor where his
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energy and charm just Shone but that night Tim seemed very distracted almost from the moment he arrived there and
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later his sister TSA would remember making her way to the bathroom and hearing somebody else at the club say
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and this is a quote there were white men outside asking for Tim now in and of itself in this County that was a
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terrifying thing to hear that there were white men looking for your black brother
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like I can't imagine how she felt hearing that and then she caught a glimpse of Tim headed for the front door
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of the club so oh boy that Not only was she did she hear that most like terrifying thing that you could possibly
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hear in that moment but then she's like oh this is true like I I think he's headed out there oh boy so she followed
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after him to make sure that he was okay but by the time she reached the parking lot he was gone and she had no way of
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knowing that was the last time she was ever going to see her brother alive oh the next day no one in the Cogan's house
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actually really thought much of the fact that Tim hadn't come home the night before Lowry wrote it was typical for
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him to disappear for a few days at a time he knew everyone around town so the safe assumption was that he was crashing
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on someone's couch which you're in your early 20s of course like you you have a night out you spend the night at your
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friend's house you you knowbody around town it's like yeah yeah you got a ton of places to stay right but Tim was not
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crashing on anybody's couch the next day two days after Tim had gone out to meet
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Mickey at the club sheriff's deputies were trying to identify a man in his early 20s who's bad beaten body had been
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found in a field not very far away from the People's Choice Club operating apparently without any sensitivity for
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the potential friends and family of this victim the photo that deputies were circulating was of a brutalized black
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man in his early 20s his face was beaten so badly that he was essentially unrecognizable but they were going
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around saying like do you know who this is showing people that photo what the [ __ ] like what what the [ __ ] I don't I
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don't understand it was a patron though at the People's Choice who thought they recognized the man as Tim cogin and
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suggested the officer Oscar Jordan check with the Cogan's family so when Jordan showed the photo to Viola she broke down
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crying but TSA insisted she didn't recognize the man in that photo she had no idea who it was I think it was very
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much a trauma response I just going to say there's why would you ever no part of you is going to click as like this
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could be some I love no your brain is going to try to protect you from that absolutely it was only later that she
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told her reporter qu she didn't want to admit what she knew immediately it was Tim but her her immediate trauma
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response is no that's not my brother no way no yeah I don't blame her cuz that's
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that's absolutely your brain trying to protect yourself in that family never should have seen that photo no like and
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never ever should have that that never should have been their last vision of their loved one no of course not it's
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awful but on the morning of October 8th Tim's body was discovered by a father and son who were out squirrel hunting on
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the outer edge of an Airfield in Griffin the autopsy had yet to be performed but
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from what the sheriff's department could tell and I just want to let you know this is this is a lot like this is very
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graphic Tim had dozens of knife wounds in the back torso wrist and neck when he was discovered his shirt socks and shoes
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were missing his jeans were pulled down below his knees and the police found his
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Blood Stained sweater a few yards away based on the abrasions on his body and the drag marks and patterns in the dirt
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they believed that he had been dragged behind a vehicle oh [ __ ] like this is that's that's animal behavior it's
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animal behavior worse than animal behavor that's animals don't do this I don't know how you can do anything like
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to hurt another person physically I I I don't understand that heads space thankfully I don't know how you do this
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this is not just her hurting a person this is beyond I don't know how you would do
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this to an animal doing this that's the thing doing this to another person or another animal like you should lock away
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and throw away the key like you're you're beyond any kind of fixing Rehabilitation
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or anything if you're capable of this I don't know that's the depth it it's heinous the true depths uh Georgia
00:27:23
Bureau of Investigation GB agent Jared Coleman said it appeared he had been chained to the back of a truck that
00:27:29
truck then drug him feet first around in a square pattern and there were sights of blood at Each corner so this they
00:27:38
dragged him like around and around like no I and this all comes down to him dating a white woman this and we' and
00:27:46
we've heard stories like this absolutely which is like this isn't a one-off by any stretch of the imagination no and
00:27:55
that's something everybody should oh that's just like oh it's unfathomable it comes down to who he decided to date
00:28:04
who he liked and who liked him I was going to say and who liked him best it wasn't like he was harassing this girl
00:28:09
she met up with him at the club like she was having a good time with him they liked each other that's not your [ __ ]
00:28:17
business and it doesn't concern you in any way to take it upon yourself to do anything to hurt someone but then to do
00:28:25
this because of their choice of who they want want to be romantically involved in
00:28:30
what the [ __ ] is wrong with you look inward yeah I mean yeah look inward look Inward and then it go away forever
00:28:38
forever and don't join Society ever again the sad part is and I'll tell you right from the top these people got to
00:28:45
stay in society for a really long time before any justice was served in this story before any justice
00:28:52
whatsoever but a few days later and I I told you from the top like this is a this is a heavy one a few days later the
00:28:59
autopsy confirmed what the sheriff's officers already assumed and unfortunately unveiled several other
00:29:04
horrible details it was very difficult to tell the order in which Tim's wounds had been inflicted but the medical
00:29:11
examiner believed that he had been knocked to the ground and stabbed seven times in the chest and what appeared to
00:29:16
be a kind of star pattern and there were two intersecting slashes on his chest and back about 11 in like it went 11 in
00:29:25
in what formed a large x which I'm sure you know why yeah in addition to the chest wounds the tendon behind one of
00:29:32
his knees was severed and uh that was with an additional stab oh and then he was dragged behind a vehicle for they
00:29:41
don't know how long an inter indeterminable amount of time but evidence at the scene suggested there
00:29:47
was a square pattern around the lot so it it was over and over like it wasn't just for a short period of time it was
00:29:55
prolonged holy [ __ ] finally his attack Packers dragged him further into the field and he was hit over the head with
00:30:01
a large heavy object that they believed could have been a wooden chair or a table leg and then his body was dragged
00:30:08
even further and this is gross to the base of a tree that locals referred to as the Hanging Tree
00:30:15
and he was left there to die what the [ __ ] the medical examiner determined that the cause of death had been from
00:30:22
the stab wounds but they don't know what order that all happened they don't know
00:30:27
what order and this was not he was tortured absolutely like this was not a quick death at all
00:30:34
like the these people could have stopped their actions at any point in time and only continued and progressed to do
00:30:43
worse and worse things to this human being the fact that you're telling me that these people and obviously it's
00:30:51
several people yeah that these people were walking around in society after this for a long time years years and
00:30:58
years interacting with other people and probably being around children and being
00:31:03
around humans and being alone with people not only that let me even let me even up that telling people what they
00:31:09
did telling people about this are you boasting about it for years sometimes it's like really base level to be a
00:31:18
human being like sometimes when you hear [ __ ] like this you're like can I can I I
00:31:24
this sucks like it sucks to be in the same kind of species as these people like it's like damn cuz we're the only
00:31:31
species that will do this to each other that's the thing like sometimes it's real gross to be the same speci it's
00:31:37
beyond words like this entire C this I've had this one done for a little bit and just like have been getting into the
00:31:44
you know like the head the head space to actually like do this case Justice and like present it well yeah this is gnarly
00:31:54
like it there I keep saying there's just not words for what this is and the fact
00:31:59
that this is this is true this happened and like you said earlier this is not the first time it's happened no not the
00:32:06
last time it happened absolutely this this [ __ ] similar [ __ ] like this happens
00:32:12
right now like right now in the times that we live in and that it's beyond oh yeah it's this this is just this is
00:32:23
tough it's it is it's tough but it's a I think it's an important story to tell St
00:32:29
people should know who he was absolutely I mean there's people that still that walk around are like racism is fake like
00:32:35
this is like there's i' I've heard people act that way it's like of course it needs to be like no nope sit down let
00:32:43
me tell you a story exactly now like I said at the time of the murder Griffin was a still somewhat and I don't even
00:32:50
know what like it's it's segregated it's barely somewhat there were black residents living on one side and white
00:32:55
residents living on the other hether their cogin and again that's Tim's niece recall you would see homes with the
00:33:01
Confederate flag but we live on our side of the tracks They Live on their side of
00:33:05
the tracks and you don't intermingle if you don't have to so that being the case
00:33:09
Sheriff Butch Freeman knew the black community most likely wasn't going to cooperate with a mostly white Sheriff's
00:33:14
Department especially with a clearly racially motivated crime yeah so he assigned one of the Department's few
00:33:20
black officers Oscar Jordan to lead the investigation and Oscar Jordan tries so hard in this
00:33:28
in this case and in this investigation and when you hear what happens when he starts actually gaining traction you're
00:33:35
going to want to toss your microphone across the room I just want to warn you cool now from the moment Tim's body was
00:33:42
discovered Jordan knew this was going to be a tough case to crack because aside from the tire tracks and the drag marks
00:33:48
found at the scene the only other evidence investigators found was an empty bottle of Jack Daniels and a large
00:33:54
broken uh Table leg with black electrical tape wrapped around one end Jordan assumed that the table leg
00:34:00
obviously was the blunt object used to crush Tim's skull yeah it's almost like they formed it into a bat exactly
00:34:07
actually exactly with the electrical tape yep but with no other evidence they believe that the killer must have taken
00:34:12
the knife that they used to do everything they did to Tim with them when they left the scene and in the
00:34:18
absence of the additional physical evidence Jordan went back to the Cogan's family where he learned where Tim had
00:34:24
last been seen dancing at the People's Choice with a white woman on the night he was murdered and he found out that
00:34:30
TSA had seen Tim leave the club and meet two white men outside but unfortunately
00:34:36
while several people knew that Tim had recently started dating a white girl and actually had even seen her at the club
00:34:41
with him no one knew her name like nobody that he was talking to on the Cogan side of things even knew who she
00:34:47
was others had definitely seen him leaving the club to meet two white men who were waiting across the street from
00:34:53
the club but nobody got a good enough look at the men to identify them so the cogin family just didn't have the
00:35:01
information to help guide Jordan's investigation but they did have one piece of information that proved useful
00:35:08
according to Tim's Aunt there was a story going around that two local white guys had given Tim and his friend Dany
00:35:14
$600 to buy marijuana but Tim and Dany had taken the money and never returned with the drugs and it was a story this
00:35:21
is alleged a few weeks before Tim was murdered Dany was killed his friend and what everybody assumed was an accident
00:35:29
but in light of Tim's death Jordan started to suspect that maybe both had been murdered in this kind of drug deal
00:35:35
gone bad scenario yeah which I guess to a degree you can understand like how this was a drug deal gone wrong but the
00:35:43
way in which he was killed goes so far beyond that there's hate it's clear that this is not simply a bad Dr deal like I
00:35:53
understand like following that lead cuz obviously you're not you can't just like
00:35:57
no that's not it and you don't have anything else that's the thing so I understand that but it's like it go here
00:36:03
there's hate and rage and and that's the thing animalistic Behavior I just want to make sure that it doesn't get lost in
00:36:09
like a drug deal gone bad kind of thing cuz yeah spoiler alert that's not what it is that's not what it is now in
00:36:14
pursuit of more information or any kind of Evidence Officer Jordan checked with some of the known drug dealers and users
00:36:20
who lived in car's Park which was a white occupied trailer park in Griffin he didn't really get more information on
00:36:26
the supposed $0000 weed deal but he did hear another rumor that piqued his interest someone told Jordan that Sandra
00:36:34
bun a local white woman living in car's Park had been bragging to her neighbors about Tim's murder what the [ __ ] and
00:36:43
she's not the only person that was around town bragging about this murder bragging about having information about
00:36:50
knowing who did it the people who did it were bragging about having done it imagine bragging about being like a
00:36:56
[ __ ] lizard person no who just like imagine that disgusting no return to the Ooze where
00:37:06
you belong that's exactly where these people belong the this case like elicits so much anger so much anger and
00:37:13
just like some of them I I can't but so yes she's bragging about Tim's murder so
00:37:18
in question she told Jordan that on the night of the murder she'd seen Tim in the trailer park with her brother Frank
00:37:25
gibart and his girlfriend Mickey guy okay I don't know if you remember Mickey guy that's who Tim was dating yeah she
00:37:33
had a boyfriend okay a white boyfriend Frank Gart okay and another friend named Bill Moore the group had been having an
00:37:40
argument outside of Frank's house before Tim Frank and Bill Moore got into Frank's Car and drove out of the park in
00:37:48
the direction of the quote unquote Hanging Tree so she saw all of this and then heard about what happened later and
00:37:55
was spread in that rumor or not even rumor she was spreading that story yeah that true story so finally he found like
00:38:02
he found a viable lead in the case and he was like okay we got we I think we're right here so Jordan Oscar Jordan goes
00:38:09
to his boss Sheriff Butch Freeman and tells him that Tim was last seen with this guy Frank and Bill just hours
00:38:16
before his death going in the direction of where his brutalized body is found Jordan went to the sheriff in order to
00:38:22
get an approval to interview both of these men and was Absolut absolutely stunned when rather than approve his his
00:38:31
strategy Sheriff Freeman inexplicably pulled him off of the case and reassigned him to traffic Duty what the
00:38:39
[ __ ] he gets a viable lead like what would have closed the case then and there that's the most transparent thing
00:38:46
I've ever seen would have closed the case then and there and he said I sorry you need to go back to
00:38:52
traffic can you imagine and and again officer Jordan is black man yeah gets gets to finally like possibly chase down
00:39:02
justice is cracking a case and then they're like hey go stand in direct traffic again well you know that this
00:39:10
these two men are most likely the men that did this to a black man and you another black man just go direct
00:39:18
traffic we going to just say this is coincidence or what can you imagine I can't even begin to imagine how he would
00:39:27
have felt in that moment yeah cuz cuz you're helpless it exactly like he must have felt so helpless helpless and
00:39:33
[ __ ] Angry Angry Angry yeah he later remembered I was told thank you but we're not going to need your assistance
00:39:40
anymore oh [ __ ] and you honestly you must feel [ __ ] flabbergasted flumix in that moment just
00:39:48
like what like you're really going to do this like come again you're going to do
00:39:52
this with your whole chest like you're just going to throw me on traffic Duty with your whole [ __ ] chest this is my
00:39:57
livelihood I I can't just like quit and get another job somewhere else well that's the problem here I have to stay
00:40:02
here they know they have the power here because they know that this is somebody's livelihood they're not just
00:40:07
going to throw it away and it's like but he's sitting here struggling with probably so many emotions and so many
00:40:14
different feelings yeah yeah I this unbelievable the fact that this is a true story and is so similar
00:40:22
to Other Stories it's just [ __ ] but in his place Freeman assigned a white officer who went went out to car's Park
00:40:28
and interviewed Frank gibart according to Frank he was at his girlfriend's house all evening on the night of the
00:40:33
murder and she corroborated that at the time of the interview and as far as anybody knew there was actually no
00:40:38
attempt to even interview Bill Moore interesting choice yeah that's very interesting so not long after Oscar
00:40:44
Jordan was taken off of the case the cogin family started getting Anonymous threats at home and at work Tim's
00:40:50
stepfather Robert got to his job as a a bus driver one morning and found that somebody had left a bloody t-shirt on
00:40:57
the bus that he drove every single morning what a few days later somebody threw a brick through one of their
00:41:03
windows and it had a note tied to it that read you're next what the [ __ ] like this family was terrorized first they
00:41:11
lost one of their like children Brothers like one of their most like Lov loved people and then and then they had to see
00:41:21
a picture of what happened to him that's they got a knock on their door after he
00:41:24
was missing and that's what they saw and now this is what they're going through wow and it doesn't end there and I just
00:41:31
want to give a quick trigger warning for animal abuse and violence because they arrived home one afternoon and found a
00:41:37
decapitated dog in the hallway of their home what the [ __ ] somebody went broke
00:41:42
into their home first of all did that to an animal broke into their home and left
00:41:47
that in their home there's no it makes you it makes you genuinely sick like it makes you
00:41:54
nauseated I don't even know what to say like this is just like and why this kind
00:41:59
of behavior is just so [ __ ] Subterranean to me like it's just like what the [ __ ] and these people are
00:42:08
just walking around living their and bragging about it and it's there's no reason to do something like this to
00:42:17
anyone no no for for people to be able to sit there and like to to justify this in their own mind some
00:42:27
somehow and like lay their head on a pillow at night gymnastics you have to be doing to justify this kind of like
00:42:34
uzy behavior is it's really unbelievable it's beyond yeah TSA later said we knew from the
00:42:41
beginning that he had been killed because he was black but the the harassment was so bad that after Tim's
00:42:47
Funeral his family actually chose to bury him without a headstone for fear of further victimization they knew where he
00:42:54
was and like they could go visit him but they couldn't commemorate his memory in
00:42:58
any kind of way because they were worried that his grave would also beated desecrated and you can't blame them one
00:43:05
[ __ ] bit no but holy [ __ ] no they can't even properly memorialize their loved one
00:43:15
because people won't even let that lie no and they wouldn't have no like I mean look what they were doing to this family
00:43:21
after after what they did to him they can't even think like he's not even safe in death no no oh his that's you that's
00:43:30
it's disgusting that's a different level it's disgusting different level that these poor people had to go through what
00:43:35
they went through continuously for so many years that's awful his niece Heather said we never put a headstone on
00:43:43
his grave we didn't know if they were going to desecrate the grave we didn't know what they were capable of and then
00:43:47
they're probably living in fear wondering is that going to happen to me next are they just terrorizing me up to
00:43:53
the point where then they're going to grab me and do that to me absolutely that's a real fear the Fe the fear that
00:44:00
these people had to have been living in like terrifying but with Oscar Jordan no
00:44:04
longer leading the investigation the case quickly went cold almost as though no one at the Sheriff's Office had any
00:44:10
interest in solving the murder it's almost like that crazy by December just two months after Tim's murder the
00:44:15
department shelved the case and cited a lack of leads and a need to allocate resources elsewhere leaving the cogin
00:44:22
family without answers and completely hopeless Heather commented who do you turn to for help when the number one
00:44:29
people who who are supposed to help you don't yeah like who who do you go to again the helpless feeling there and the
00:44:38
absolute desperation that goes unanswered must be and you I can't even again it your whole life is here all
00:44:47
your job your house your family every you can't just get up and leave because it's like it's not it's not that easy
00:44:52
just to get the hell away from here and get to somewhere and and who at this point I'm like
00:44:57
and you don't even know where you could go where you go where do you go that it's going to be better and where and
00:45:01
you can't Tim's here yeah Tim's there you can't leave him again you can't it's not that easy
00:45:08
just to pick up and run to another state or run somewhere else it's like that's that and they know that and
00:45:15
unfortunately by design it wasn't it was specifically not easy for the black community to have the resources and the
00:45:21
power the power Dynamic knows that mhm and eventually the months turned into years years turned into decades leaving
00:45:29
the family to face the likelihood that Tim's killer would absolutely never be B brought to justice so due to limited
00:45:36
resources major crimes in rural parts of Georgia especially murder are actually typically handled by the Georgia Bureau
00:45:41
of Investigation who are much better equipped to investigate the cases since the early 2000s the gbi actually had a
00:45:48
practice of cycling its cold cases for review in the hope that new officers fresh eyes might pick something up that
00:45:55
other previous investig had missed so in 2016 the Timothy Cogan murder case then
00:46:02
33 years cold 33 years 33 years with nothing but it made its way to the desk of Jared
00:46:11
Coleman A young agent who had started with the gbi Just 2 years earlier after looking over the case File what struck
00:46:18
Coleman the most was not what the file actually contained but what was noticeably absent from the file Oscar
00:46:25
Jordan's notes have heavily indicated that he believed Frank Gart and Bill Moore to be the two white men seen with
00:46:31
Tim outside of the club and he strongly suspected that they were the two who were responsible for Tim's murder but as
00:46:38
far as Coleman could tell aside from the one brief interview with Frank Gart there was very little attempt to
00:46:45
question either man or even verify their aliis on the night of the murder that's
00:46:49
wild like his girlfriend was like yeah he was here with me and they were like cool cool and then nobody even as far as
00:46:55
anybody knows there was never an interview with Bill Moore back in back when this actually happened well the
00:47:00
good thing is like as we know like uh girlfriends and boyfriends Never Lie No never when it comes to aliis for their
00:47:07
uh for their for their partner so yeah never it's really good that they that they just let that go checked anywhere
00:47:13
else yeah yeah EXA she would never lie about that I'm sure all these people seem like they're really like you know
00:47:20
tiptop people so I I definitely don't double check those those statements I bet she's telling the truth I bet it's
00:47:26
fine 100% mhm now while there was very little evidence collected during the initial investigation it appeared
00:47:33
several key pieces of evidence collected in 1983 had just gone missing oh you know that happens happens all the time
00:47:40
it always happens in very specific cases but it happens I guess yeah totally uh among the evidence that had gone missing
00:47:46
Tim's pants and sweater which actually had contained hair samples when they found them oh I bet that wasn't that was
00:47:52
just coincidence yeah just crazy the wooden table leg oh uh the Jack Daniels bottle and the tire Impressions that
00:47:59
were taken at the scene ah so the evidence that's wild literally almost every piece of evidence that they had
00:48:05
because remember they barely had any evidence at the scene other than most of those things when this [ __ ] happens in
00:48:11
cases where they're just like we lost mountains of evidence for this massive murder case you're just like who [ __ ]
00:48:19
believes that like who who's the person that's like yeah that happens like just what I also want to know who destroyed
00:48:26
that yeah who are you who went out and did whatever the [ __ ] they did with that
00:48:30
to make it get lost and then went home and ate dinner with their family show me them wait who laid their head on a
00:48:37
fluffy little pillow that night after getting rid of that evidence and just went on to live their [ __ ] privileged
00:48:44
ass life well well probably living in the area and see this family seeing them going through 30 plus years of
00:48:55
torment and not knowing what happened to their loved one yep but every night just
00:49:01
fluffy pillow night lay your head on it I I'm angry right now like I just so many people had to be so [ __ ] gross
00:49:12
in this case and that's what is really and this isn't just like not that it's like ever just you know like the one
00:49:19
murderer you know I mean that like like in a murder case you'll have like the bad person who did it you know and
00:49:26
usually you can count on the investigators to be the good guys and to be like you get the good guys and you
00:49:33
get the good people that come out and fix this for the family or like at least try to come and put something together
00:49:39
for the family but in this one there's just layers of nasty nasty people that are just making this exponentially worse
00:49:49
in 1983 there was one good guy Oscar Jordan who got really signed to traffic as far as We Know as far as key players
00:49:57
in this story I'm sure there were other like good people on the police force I'm
00:50:01
not saying I mean I know for a fact that there was a lot of absolutely deplorable
00:50:06
disgusting humans that weren't even just investigators like secretaries that worked at the at the police station we
00:50:12
in on this on this cover and this is what I'm talking about it's like it goes so it's so far that's why this kind of
00:50:18
thing is so it's like so beyond the scope of comprehension because it's like so many people have to be so shitty at
00:50:28
one place in time all together yep like they all have to join hands and be the shittiest kind of like
00:50:36
Subterranean [ __ ] filth scum together yeah it's not again not just it's you can't just look at these bad guys and be
00:50:44
like wow bad guys Subterranean shitty ooze by like put them away and like we all did that it's like there's too many
00:50:53
there's too many here to think of there's a lot of victims in in this case Timothy Cogan's obviously Timothy
00:50:59
Cogan's family obviously then I couldn't stop thinking about Oscar Jordan while I
00:51:04
was writing this having to go into this police station where he works every single day knowing one that he was taken
00:51:12
off the case but you know there was whispering going on about what they were doing with this evidence to get it lost
00:51:18
what they were doing to actively ignore this he probably feeling he was there the day it got shelved and it's like
00:51:24
he's a black man MH and he was he was so close to solving this or at least like like trying breaking it open breaking it
00:51:34
open like doing anything and he just had to walk into a police station where everyone was against him yeah every
00:51:41
single person was against him and against his his community of people but yeah just the fact that he had to go
00:51:48
through that is is horrific but the obviously uh limited effort invested in finding Tim's killer was surprising to
00:51:55
Coleman but things got and remember it's surprising because it's 2016 and like obviously still racism is very much
00:52:02
alive during 2016 times and now like I said but you can you can imagine that he would be [ __ ] shocked to be like this
00:52:10
was 1983 and like nothing was done and everything was lost yeah but things only got more disturbing as he combed through
00:52:16
the surviving evidence as he dug deeper into the evidence he started finding correspondents from an inmate named
00:52:24
Christopher vaugh who actually reached out to investigators many times regarding the Cogan's murder he's
00:52:31
disgusting too but for some reason he wanted to help in this it's it's very conflicting people are weird uh yeah in
00:52:38
2016 he was serving a sentence for uh trigger warning this is gross child molestation wow yeah but in October of
00:52:47
1983 when he was a 10-year-old boy he had gone out squirrel hunting with his father in Griffin he and his father were
00:52:54
the ones that discovered Tim Cogan's dead body wow which is just really nuts to imagine
00:53:00
that like a 10-year-old with his dad saw this and then still became a monster after I was just going to say saw the
00:53:09
depths of depravity and then decided to reach there yeah interesting your brain can't really compute this because he
00:53:17
wants to help and he he does help in this investigation but he's [ __ ] disgusting that's that's it's heinous
00:53:26
but like there's no true good people in this not in this at all except except osar Jordan and Coleman here but
00:53:34
according to Von's letter since the murder in 1983 Frank Gart had admitted to him several times that he and Bill
00:53:40
Moore had killed Tim Coggins after Frank learned that his girlfriend Mickey guy had been cheating on him with
00:53:47
Tim a decision that she made I was just going to say she made that decision as far as like I don't know if Tim knew
00:53:55
even that Mickey had a boy boyfriend he just liked Mickey that's the thing and if she's and if they're together and he
00:54:01
lives on the differ he doesn't know he doesn't know and and you can't prove that he did like that's the thing it's
00:54:06
like that's she's the one who cheated and even if he did that's not an acceptable way to that's the other thing
00:54:13
it's like that's that doesn't even touch the fact that there is literally no justification for what you did none but
00:54:21
he confessed Frank confessed uh first to V at a house party when V was just a teenager but V claimed he confessed
00:54:28
several times after that always in a proud and boastful manner according to Von Gart told him they killed Tim and
00:54:34
taken all the evidence back to his house and dumped it in an old well on the property the [ __ ] where's that old well
00:54:42
I'll let you know oh good Coleman said the case really hadn't been fully dived into since 1983 but based on his cursory
00:54:49
review he could tell that the sheriff's office in 1983 had made essentially zero
00:54:54
effort to follow up on any lead after Oscar Jordan was taken off the case so now completely determined to fill in
00:55:01
these gaps Coleman paid a visit to Bill Moore who was immediately uncooperative and wildly evasive I'm shocked despite
00:55:10
having lived in the small town for his entire [ __ ] life this is a small rural community where like everyone
00:55:18
knows everyone more claim to know nothing about this case shut the [ __ ] up nothing about this case told uh Coleman
00:55:26
that he had actually never even heard of Tim cogins wow what what a what a choice
00:55:30
to make what a choice to go that route you live in the trailer park where multiple people are walking around
00:55:36
talking about this you live in the trailer park where he was last seen even if you do have nothing to do with this
00:55:41
you [ __ ] heard of it You' definitely heard of it you've heard of this wild wild insane disgusting story at least
00:55:48
they're idiots so there's that they sure are at least they're idiots they sure are yeah he said I've never heard of Tim
00:55:55
cogins yeah no uh Coleman immediately knew that bill was lying but the problem was that more than three decades had
00:56:02
passed since the murder and several of the original Witnesses had died including Mickey guy she was dead oh
00:56:08
[ __ ] so like Oscar Jordan before him agent Coleman now strongly suspected Frank and Bill of involvement in Tim's
00:56:15
murder he was like I think you had the right guys from the start but given the limited investigation done in 1983 and
00:56:22
The Disappearance quote unquote of key evidence over the years he was going to need a lot of help to
00:56:28
prove that either of these two men were involved so as such he approached the newly elected Sheriff of spalon County
00:56:35
Daryl dicks to ask for the sheriff's cooperation in his investigation which it's weird how luckily it doesn't repeat
00:56:42
itself to the full extent but how like like somebody did this in 1983 however many years ago like had to go to the
00:56:48
sheriff and say like I want to I want to do this I want to look into this more and the sheriff then said no luckily
00:56:55
this Sheriff Sheriff dicks was a man of integrity good and recognized that local
00:57:00
law enforcement had a lot of work to do in order to repair the rift and tensions
00:57:05
caused by a very very long history of racist policing in this area so he saw goodness someone is aware of this yeah
00:57:13
and he actually saw Coleman's request as an opportunity to make progress in rebuilding trust with the black
00:57:19
community so while his uh deputies began digging through the old case File looking for anything that could Point
00:57:25
them in the right direction Coleman moved on to the other suspect he already interviewed bill now he goes to Frank
00:57:30
Gart who at this time I'm sure will shock you was serving a prison sentence Oh shocking this time for sexual assault
00:57:38
cuz he's a monster in every sense of the word honestly that checks yeah of course
00:57:42
it does not shocking but like Bill Moore Frank claimed he knew nothing about Tim
00:57:47
Cogan's murder yeah nothing I don't even think I heard of that no so Coleman he needed to trange change his strategy if
00:57:54
he hoped to get anything out of him So based on Christopher Von's letters to the gbi Coleman heavily suspected that
00:58:01
Frank gebhart's then girlfriend Mickey guy had been having an affair with Tim cogins which he was like obviously this
00:58:07
is the motive for the murder so he tested the theory and sure enough when he confronted Frank with the affair
00:58:13
Frank's entire tone and demeanor changed dramatically he still maintained that he
00:58:19
had nothing to do with the murder but this time he added and this is disgusting quote he didn't care if
00:58:25
Timothy was killed killed should have been minding his own business wow why the [ __ ] don't you mind
00:58:32
yours that's I'm like deal with your own [ __ ] family [ __ ] in your own home break up with your girlfriend tell like
00:58:39
work things out with her if you want to mind your own [ __ ] business as far as Timothy cogins is concerned yeah oh
00:58:45
honestly Okay Glass House exactly Okay Glass House mind your own business he says yeah but according to Frank he had
00:58:51
no recollection of confessing anything to Christopher vaugh or anyone else though he had ad he had been a heavy
00:58:57
drinker for more than 30 years cuz uh sure you have to drink those [ __ ] demons down and I love that he's like
00:59:02
you know what I have been a heavy drinker so like it is possible that I um did admit wrongfully to a horrific racially
00:59:12
motivated and highly publicized murder that I had nothing to do with um it's possible yeah I might possible I'm like
00:59:18
wow like I've gotten hella drunk at multiple different times I've never ever confessed to a murder I didn't commit no
00:59:26
no nope but when Coleman asked uh about Von's claims that they dumped all the evidence in a well behind his house
00:59:33
Frank denied that too oh get that well and when pressed further he said well y'all come out there and dig my damn
00:59:38
well up which whether Frank truly expected it or not was exactly what agent Coleman intended to do okay of
00:59:47
okay sounds good threaten me with a good for permission thanks yeah literally thank you for the permission I'm going
00:59:53
to do that also I don't even really know how it works if you're in prison if technically that's your property anymore
00:59:59
I don't think so honestly I have no idea how that works yeah I'm not positive but
01:00:03
I can I mean I don't think you're like paying taxes on your property from prison yeah that's that makes sense
01:00:10
so may somebody transferred to next of kin get sold off I don't know yeah yeah actually it must get sold off cuz I'm
01:00:18
thinking of a case that we covered where like something gross happened on a farm
01:00:21
and they ended up having to sell it to the town or like the town takes ship sometimes yeah technically it's not
01:00:29
his property like the edge case yeah they took ownership of the property exactly then it was like an auction
01:00:35
right cuz like nobody wants nobody wanted that [ __ ] but um but yeah so the more Jared Coleman learned about Frank
01:00:41
uh Gart and Bill Moore the more he came to believe that they were absolutely capable of committing a racially
01:00:46
motivated hate crime Frank and Bill had grown up together in Griffin and had a long history of substance abuse and
01:00:53
violent disruptive behavior of just being dick very much so according to Wesley Lowry and I'm sorry because these
01:01:01
individuals are [ __ ] there is another trigger warning for animal abuse here on
01:01:05
the weekends Gart would host wild debaucherous parties featuring beer and pills and shrooms at least one time the
01:01:12
drunken butchering of a cow on the kitchen floor of one of the trailers and both men were known as frequent flyers
01:01:19
at the local courthouse so they're just like like there's no like they they hit all the boxes just
01:01:29
like never come out in every sense of the yes by in every sense of the word and beyond that they were also known to
01:01:39
be like the most racist of racists you have to be and they both had ties to that local chapter of the KKK and had
01:01:50
more than a few friends each in local law enforcement agencies wow so they were it was clear
01:01:58
as day that they had done this like it was clear as day that the they at least were two men who were very capable of
01:02:03
doing this and had had the means and the motive yeah so the more he dug into Frank and Bill's past though the more
01:02:11
Coleman began to realize that his two suspects actually weren't the only people around with very racist views and
01:02:17
reflecting on his experience with the sheriff's office in the early 1980s Oscar commented that many on the police
01:02:24
force used to used point did racial slurs and that it wasn't all that uncommon to hear those kind of slurs
01:02:31
amongst people in in the police force that he wor on the police force that he worked on there had always also been
01:02:38
rumors that the Griffin police department and the spalon County Sheriff's Office counted more than a few
01:02:44
KKK members in their ranks many of whom marched in local parades and appeared at
01:02:50
events as late as the early 80s when Tim was killed the [ __ ] is that allowed like how do you hold a position like
01:02:58
that and be so outwardly I think it's so hard for us to even Gras because we've lived in Massachusetts our whole lives I
01:03:06
was going to say we're very lucky that we have grown up in Massachusetts because it's just a I have never felt
01:03:12
luckier to live in Massachusetts for my entire life because we just don't it's just not the same it's just it's just
01:03:19
like you don't see things like this here like fortunately no it's like this is I my brain is having trouble wrapping
01:03:27
around a lot of this in certain parts of the South this was just what happened and especially in this time period in
01:03:36
this time period especially and it's like it it should have been very uncommon and abs horrific to see but it
01:03:43
was part of life yeah but while the rumors of clansmen working in law enforcement were troubling for Coleman
01:03:49
and for Sheriff dicks rumors alone weren't going to prove that local law enforcement had attempted to protect
01:03:54
franker bill or otherwise interfere in the investigation of Tim's murder so they were going to have to keep digging
01:04:00
for something else but fortunately very deep within the Cold Case evidence one of Dix's deputies found exactly what
01:04:09
investigators had been looking for he was combing through that old evidence for anything that could help in the hunt
01:04:14
for Tim's killer and he came across you would I feel like you would never expect
01:04:19
this he came across a diary from the early 1980s that actually belonged to a former Sher sheriff's deputy named uh
01:04:27
it's Norman fusky I believe or Fuski he worked at the department during the Tim Cogan's quote unquote
01:04:34
investigation Coleman said in reading through the diary we found out that the Klux Clan's infiltration into the spalon
01:04:41
county sheriffs and the Griffin Police Department may have played some role in the lack of closure in this case oh [ __ ]
01:04:48
among other things the diary detailed the Clan's active and ongoing attempts to recruit law enforcement officers at
01:04:54
the time and actually named several KKK members who most definitely worked at the sheriff's department during the
01:05:03
1980s what the [ __ ] many of whom were actually assigned to the cogin case after Oscar Jordan was
01:05:12
reassigned literal KKK members were assigned to this case of we just can't help writing stuff down that that will
01:05:22
later incriminate also just like which like I'm glad I'm glad that they kept a diary what the [ __ ] did that diary entry
01:05:29
did say like dear diary today the KKK recruited this guy like what did that what did it say like which again I'm
01:05:40
happy I'm happy that this guy kept a diary of all the nefariousness that was occurring around him but I'm always just
01:05:47
like wow how did you just start that ENT just out here like dear diary dear [ __ ] diary thanks for keeping the
01:05:55
record really was something that helped because up to this point we just have a bunch of evidence gone the word of a
01:06:03
child molester a well that's sitting over an alleged waiting to be I'm I'm waiting for that well keep waiting I've
01:06:11
been I'm hanging on to that well and in the meantime right in your diary I guess
01:06:15
and then we've got a diary about all the nefarious activities and right now the diary is our best piece of evidence like
01:06:22
this is a tough who that would be it and the the problem is it's not a tough case
01:06:27
like it's not a tough case at all but it's a tough case to prove however many years later 33 years later they if any
01:06:33
police work had been done and had they had allowed detective Oscar to do his actual job that he was doing correctly
01:06:43
yep then they would have qu they wouldn't have just li like Let It lie at the girlfriend being like Oh yeah he was
01:06:49
with me all night that never would have just they would have looked into that to
01:06:52
make sure that that was the correct alibi didn't want to because they were literal KKK members and that's not
01:06:59
hyperbolic that's fact no it's l it's in the diary multiple people were KKK members damn but at best the diary
01:07:07
implied that uh the racist view of some members of law enforcement had led to Tim's case being prematurely shelved and
01:07:14
at worst it suggested an act of conspiracy to undermine the investigation by covering for or just
01:07:20
blatantly ignoring suspects and quite literally disposing of critical evidence that that would have led to a conviction
01:07:27
it really seemed that everyone in Griffin including the cogin family had suspected or just full out believed that
01:07:34
Frank Gart and Bill Moore were responsible for Tim's murder and now Coleman and Sheriff dicks also shared
01:07:40
that belief but the problem was going to be proving their guilt Beyond A Reasonable Doubt because it was true
01:07:48
that the diary implied indirect interference at best and Frank had confessed his guilt on a lot of
01:07:53
occasions even after he knew that Coleman and dicks were zeroing it on him he was still going around telling people
01:07:59
that he had done this but it's all rumors and hearsay you need like legit concrete compelling evidence yeah so
01:08:08
based on everything that he learned up to that point agent Coleman put together a new theory about the murder he
01:08:13
believed that in the week or so before Tim's death Frank had heard the rumors that his girlfriend Mickey was cheating
01:08:19
on him and he was already pissed that she was cheating on him but because his mind and
01:08:26
lack of a soul were so beyond racist it sent him Beyond when he found out that she was cheating on him with a black man
01:08:34
and he became determined to do something about it so on the night of October 7th
01:08:39
1983 Mickey arranged to meet Tim at the People's Choice while Frank and Bill waited outside this was a setup wow yeah
01:08:47
so Mickey knew about this at least knew that they were they wanted him to be there presumably she's dead so we can't
01:08:56
speak for it it was the belief that she arranged to meet Tim at the very least and that and Bill and Frank were waiting
01:09:02
outside and I don't know for fact if Mickey knew that they were waiting outside but based on everything going
01:09:10
around town and the fact that this is a small town that's what's being that's presum situation yeah not long after Tim
01:09:18
arrived at the club he ended up getting lured outside and got into that car with
01:09:21
Frank Bill and mickeey and then traveled to car's Trail Park where they argued outside of Frank's house a little after
01:09:28
midnight for reasons that are still unclear Tim ended up getting into a truck I'm sure he was most likely forced
01:09:35
into that truck sure and Frank and Bill and the three men traveled to an Airfield about a mile away where they
01:09:42
attacked Tim and did everything we know they did once they returned to Frank's house they threw Tim's clothes the knife
01:09:49
and the chain into the well behind Frank's house the chain that they used to drag him and in the following days
01:09:55
the murder investigation was open proceeded normally while Oscar Jordan was on the case but then when Sheriff
01:10:02
Butch Freeman learned of the details of the case and the suspects he interfered to protect Franken Bill and to avoid
01:10:09
exposing his Department's connections to the local chapter of the KKK piece of [ __ ] covered everything up wow so
01:10:17
Coleman took his theory to the Spalding County prosecutor Marie broer I believe it is she fully trusted in him but she
01:10:24
was very skeptical that such a case could successfully be argued in court because what they did have working in
01:10:31
their favor were seven Witnesses though who were willing to swear in court that Frank had confessed to the murder to
01:10:38
them at least on one occasion but the problem was six of those Witnesses were incarcerated and one of them was serving
01:10:46
a sentence for child molestation which would almost certainly harm all their credibility of course if they wanted to
01:10:52
get in conviction what Marie really needed was a de confession from Frank Gart and some kind of physical evidence
01:10:59
that could tie him and Bill Moore to the murder beyond that Reasonable Doubt so in April of 2017 Christopher vaugh
01:11:06
agreed to help the investigators by eliciting yet another confession from Frank because remember Frank is
01:11:11
incarcerated at this point with vau so one day while he was out of his cell investigators set up a hidden recording
01:11:18
device in that cell oh damn and then later that afternoon after he returned vau entered the cell and they started
01:11:24
talking to to each other at first Frank denied knowing anything about the murder
01:11:29
but eventually without any prompting he admitted to confessing to the murder at a party more than 30 years ago he said
01:11:37
he did not know what he might have said while he was drunk at a party though again I'm sorry I don't know a lot of
01:11:43
people that confess to brutal racially motivated murders under the influence of alcohol no don't know a single one
01:11:49
actually I have not yet come across that thankfully but the recording wasn't really a clear explicit admission of
01:11:57
guilt so that was like kind of shitty but it did imply that Frank knew more than he was saying absolutely so several
01:12:03
months later investigators executed a search warrant at his house where they confiscated more than 50 knives among
01:12:09
other things and a few days later another inmate Patrick Douglas came forward to report that during a
01:12:15
conversation with Frank Frank had confessed to the murder and boasted that law law enforcement would never find any
01:12:21
evidence on the knives that They confiscated from his home because he' actually thrown the real murder weapon
01:12:27
in the well down the well and built a large shed over the opening so nobody could get at it Douglas also quoted
01:12:34
Frank as having complained quote that it was unfair that sheriff Freeman could get away with killing a racial slur but
01:12:42
he could not and also stated quote he was the one who slammed him down and stabbed him in the back wow yeah so he's
01:12:52
also implying that the sheriff holy killed a black person and he said the it's unfair that the sheriff can get
01:12:59
away with it but I can't so it's like what the [ __ ] else in that in that county yeah truly so the alleged
01:13:07
confessions were compelling but again Brer still Marie Brer still needed physical evidence to present this case
01:13:12
to a jury but the problem was in order to access that old well that you need the answers from I need that well to be
01:13:20
opened investigators would have to dig up a lot of the property destroying the sheds and parts of to the house in the
01:13:25
process which was unreasonable and wouldn't get a judge judge's approval unreasonable in the eyes of some legally
01:13:33
Legally exactly but fortunately Coleman located a new company in Atlanta that actually used a machine called a
01:13:40
hydrovac to clean out old Wells so using a high pressure hose the hydrovac company forced water into the
01:13:47
ground which forced all the debris out of the earth and then all of that gets sucked up by a large vacuum oh [ __ ] all
01:13:54
of which was done without causing any damage to the trailer wow so Coleman broer and dicks spent nearly 8 hours at
01:14:03
the site watching as the vacuum sucked up and spit out decades worth of trash until finally they started seeing things
01:14:11
that they recognized among the items pulled from the well were a pair of Adidas sneakers that matched the pair
01:14:17
Tim was wearing the night he was killed holy [ __ ] a white blood stained t-shirt
01:14:21
that appeared to be torn by multiple stab marks decades old a piece of Old Logging chain and most importantly a
01:14:29
broken kitchen knife that matched the stab wounds on Tim's chest and neck holy shites it's been sitting under the Earth
01:14:38
30 I believe it's 33 years 33 years and they were imagine the satisfaction of being on like the right
01:14:48
side of this oh yeah and seeing those things come out we finally we have so we can get get this family Justice and that
01:14:57
that guy has been that all those people saying this is what he s to me are telling the truth because he said I
01:15:03
threw it down the well yep and now it's being confirmed they might be [ __ ] up people might [ __ ] up re they tell
01:15:08
truth this idiot was telling people this stuff so he's admitted it several times
01:15:13
yeah Marie BR recalled it was exciting this was huge for us so she took the shoe to Tim's family and his sister TSA
01:15:21
instantly recognized it as the one her brother was wearing the night that they went out to the people's Choice the last
01:15:25
time she ever saw him the evidence was circumstantial but now there was a lot of it and it all seemed to point to
01:15:33
Frank Gart and Bill Morris Tim's Killers Rie Brer said that that was the turning
01:15:38
point there had been so many obstacles along the way but after the well we knew we got him yeah how do you can't argue
01:15:45
that away no way so based on the evidence they gathered uh broer and Griffin judicial circuit District
01:15:51
Attorney Benjamin co uh Coker I believe were able to get arrest warrant and it seemed that after more than three
01:15:58
decades somebody was finally going to stand trial for the murder of Timothy cogins L time man by the time Oscar
01:16:05
Jordan was taken off the cogins case in 1983 he had a pretty good idea of who killed Tim cogins and why yeah and
01:16:11
knowing that much of his removal from the case had affected Jordan Coleman called the former sheriff's deputy I was
01:16:17
so hoping that this I've been thinking this whole time like please tell me that this guy got to be part of this whole
01:16:24
thing in some way actually you're going to [ __ ] yourself Coleman called him in
01:16:29
mid October and asked him if he would like to be among the officers to make arrest oh shut the [ __ ] up I am so happy
01:16:36
right now I was thinking this whole time I'm like if anybody Coleman is a real one such a real one yeah Jordan happily
01:16:44
accepted Coleman's offer and on October 13th 2017 after being deputized by Sheriff dicks Oscar Jordan led a team of
01:16:52
officers that arrested Frank gebart and Bill Moore for the murder of Timothy Coggins also arrested that day were
01:16:59
Milner Police Department employee Lamar bun and his mother Sandra and Spalding County sheriff's officer Gregory Huffman
01:17:07
for the role that those three played in obstructing the original investigation amazing in his statement to the Press
01:17:14
Sheriff Daryl dicks emphasized to the reporters there's no doubt in the minds of the investigators that this CRI that
01:17:19
the crime was racially motivated and if it occurred today it would be presented as a hate crime when asked why the case
01:17:25
had been reopened by the gbi and the sheriff's department dicks explained many of the witnesses interviewed said
01:17:30
they'd been living with the information since Cogan's death but had been quote quote unquote afraid to come forward or
01:17:36
had not spoken of it until now wow so some people hadn't even talked about this because they were so scared of
01:17:42
these two men and the people they were associated with so they were harboring these secrets for 33 years just for fear
01:17:49
of their own safety exactly but with Frank Gart and Bill Moore in their older years now those Witnesses weren't
01:17:56
intimidated by them any longer and wanted to do the right thing so for Daryl dicks the arrest felt like a major
01:18:02
step in the right direction toward rebuilding the trust with spalon County's black community when asked
01:18:08
whether reports from 1983 accurately described the murder he replied he replied yes and no it was more than a
01:18:15
simple murder it was done to send a message it was Overkill and Coleman echoed the sheriff's opinion telling a
01:18:21
reporter the death of Mr cogins was very clearly El lynching wow which it was they left him
01:18:27
underneath a Hanging Tree after torturing him absolutely for who knows how long now at Franken Bill's arraignment a
01:18:36
few days later District Attorney Ben Coker argued both men should be denied bonded citing their long history of
01:18:42
witness intimidation and the frequency and pride with which they boasted about the murder both of them Superior Court
01:18:49
Judge Fletcher Sams agreed with the district attorney and denied Bond noting that to decide any other way would be
01:18:55
quote unquote inappropriate which like hell yeah yeah in early December 2017 a probable cause hearing was held to
01:19:03
determine how the case would proceed and in her statement to the judge Marie Brer
01:19:07
explained the theory that Tim had been murdered because of his relationship with a local white woman and the crime
01:19:12
had 100% been racially motivated Frank Gart and Bill Moore quote wore the crime as a badge of honor she said which can
01:19:21
you they just went around town more this with like a badge of honor and they were
01:19:27
treated like it was by other people in the community like other people in the community on the back yeah no no one
01:19:34
contradicted that that way of thinking no so they just thought yeah what we did was good yeah we're we're Hometown here
01:19:42
they were treated like Hometown Heroes for that's almost too much to to Really to comprehend comprehend like that truly
01:19:50
is it's it's hard to comprehend that even a couple or a few people are this gross depraved and depraved but it's
01:20:00
like when you really think of the far reach of this you're like like it's almost too much for your mind to even go
01:20:05
to to be like I can't deal with the fact that there's that many people in like are like so for this and justify this
01:20:14
and would do this or support this or just turn a blind eye to this like that's a lot to to think about it's
01:20:23
scary and to think that like we're all human like we're we're all the [ __ ] same we all the same on the
01:20:29
inside like yeah we all got the same stuff like people will do this to one another like a human will do this to
01:20:35
another human and other people will Pat them on the back instead of con cond going to the police and exactly
01:20:42
condemning them it's it's heinous it is in his testimony Jared Jared Coleman elaborated on their Theory telling the
01:20:49
judge they were proud of what they had done they felt like they were protecting the white race from black people wow
01:20:55
which is like what the dulu the deranged the cognitive dissonance the the Detachment from
01:21:06
reality monsters absolute monsters to support the case though broader sided the numerous accounts from Witnesses
01:21:12
detailing the men's proud confessions and the recordings in which Frank can be heard saying if you give me a name of a
01:21:18
witness they won't testify so he was going to continue yeah to to [ __ ] with Witnesses and to to scare people and
01:21:26
intimidate them damn for the cogin family many of whom were hearing the details of the murder for the very first
01:21:32
time the grand jury was obviously a very difficult experience to say the least sitting directly behind Frank gibart
01:21:39
during the hearing Heather Cogan said it it's always difficult when someone isn't
01:21:43
sorry for what they've done when you understand they're not sorry for what they've done it makes it easier for you
01:21:48
to not be sorry for what's going to happen to them yeah because it's like he sat in court Unapologetic
01:21:55
completely without any without any remorse whatsoever sitting in front of this Man's family yeah and knowing that
01:22:02
like oh and for Tim Cogan's family to have to sit behind this man that whose hands were capable of doing what they
01:22:09
did to their loved one to be in the same room with somebody that hateful toward your race must
01:22:17
be one of the scariest like most intimidating experiences like the fact that they had
01:22:24
to sit there for this and were were willing to is remarkable it's yeah it's just it's and for this
01:22:33
guy to be completely Unapologetic and zero remorse and to fath and only worried about his own ass it's like yeah
01:22:40
that must be a whole new level of just to sit in the same room with him to Fathom that that guy is is breathing the
01:22:47
same air as he yeah but luckily the judge ruled in favor of the prosecution and on December 5th a grand jury was
01:22:54
convened who also sided with the district attorney agreeing that uh the case against both men should go to trial so
01:23:01
Frank gebhart's trial began in late June of 2018 and in her opening statement Marie Brer replayed the theory that Tim
01:23:07
was murdered because of his relationship with Mickey guy but also noted that the
01:23:11
murder likely would have been solved decades ago had it not been for the racist ideologies that permeated local
01:23:18
law enforcement agencies she told the jury the sad and Incredibly Bleak truth she said they didn't care about Timothy
01:23:24
hin and then she asked them to atone for the sins of the past Frank's defense attorney Scott Johnston seized on
01:23:32
broaders remarks about the shotti initial investigation emphasizing that the state's case was built on nothing
01:23:38
more than circumstantial evidence and hearsay testimony from several known criminals oh please he noted the uh the
01:23:44
missing pieces of critical evidence including the makeshift Club extra clothing and the Jack Daniels bottle
01:23:50
asking rhetorically where did it go according to Johnston it was is incumbent upon the state to prove his
01:23:56
client's guilt Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and the prosecution quote shouldn't get
01:24:00
a a pass just because the case is old it the fact that this is even being like brought into the conversation is
01:24:08
Wild is insane to me and also like the what about the evidence that is there I'm sorry is all that [ __ ] youring
01:24:15
that in your backyard what's in your backyard well that's it I'm like I'm sorry you got you got bloody shirts in
01:24:21
your backyard and murder victim shoes you got to explain to me logically and realistically how these inmates
01:24:29
regardless of how shitty they are knew that these things were in that well if that man didn't put them in that well
01:24:37
and tell them that he put them in that well people didn't even know that well existed he said he hid it mhm he
01:24:42
literally built a shed over it and he did but then you found all the stuff that people said was going to be there
01:24:47
there he I mean Jes this guy even said of all the knives that They confiscated they're not going to find the one that I
01:24:54
did it with because I threw that down the well well and they found it in the well I'm sorry how do you explain that
01:24:59
exactly like legal [ __ ] doesn't do [ __ ] for me with that it's like no explain it explain it in reality exactly
01:25:07
every step how that makes any [ __ ] sense any other way but he put that [ __ ] down there after he committed the crime
01:25:16
his argument essentially was like they didn't have some of the clothing in in the Jack Daniels bottle and or the the
01:25:22
makeshift Club it's like okay but they found the murder we one of the murder weapons cuz again there were various and
01:25:29
the victim's clothing and shoes like I'm sorry no like a t chirt there there comes a time when you have to you have
01:25:38
to hang it up exactly hang it up but it wasn't just the missing evidence in questionable character of informance
01:25:44
that was working against broader in the district attorney's office much of the newly collected evidence like the
01:25:49
recordings of Frank and the evidence discovered in the well did present challenges the defense point to the
01:25:54
discrepancies in the various confessions noting specifically that the motives seemed to differ between racism and
01:26:00
drugs depending on who was asked and after more than 30 years it was reasonable quote unquote to question
01:26:06
whether the rumors and boasting from Frank were exactly that exaggerations and lies finally when it came to the
01:26:13
evidence in the well the defense noted that it had been so degraded by the elements that it was impossible to
01:26:18
conclusively connect it to Tim cogin Maybe forensically but come the [ __ ] on like I
01:26:29
get that I get if you're if you're coming down to like brass taxs and like forensically we cannot conclusively link
01:26:35
this okay that that's reality like that is reality I get that but for me that's science that's it but if I was sitting
01:26:43
on that jury and I heard six people said this this specific [ __ ] was going to be
01:26:49
found in this well and then it was found in this well and this man confessed to murder and his girlfriend was cheating
01:26:55
on him with this man that was murdered and he had known ties to the KKK and KKK infiltrated law
01:27:04
enforcement Reasonable Doubt gone there's a lot here reason doubt gone call it all circumstantial but
01:27:11
that's a lot that the thing and there are cases that there's way even way less circumstantial evidence absolutely that
01:27:19
have been convicted still gets a conviction exactly yeah but despite the I don't know despite the quote unquote
01:27:27
lack of evidence it's hard to even call it that I know it literally is quote unquote but you know bro remained laser
01:27:33
focused on the brutality of the killing and the racist motive for the crime she said it deserved fire and passion I
01:27:39
wanted those jurors mad about what happened to Tim I wanted them rocking back on their heels so the prosecution
01:27:46
called more than a dozen Witnesses and used every piece of evidence to demonstrate how Frank gebhart's racist
01:27:52
views and connections to the KKK had not only led to Tim's murder but also contributed to a casual conspiracy to
01:28:00
cover up his involvement in the crime in his closing arguments the defense made one last attempt to undermine the case
01:28:07
against his client he insisted it's a madeup story It's A Reasonable Doubt because it's a madeup
01:28:14
story but are all the things they found in the well made up is that made up like
01:28:18
I or is that physically something that you no that the well I'm sorry I can't get past the well if they didn't have
01:28:24
the well I could see there being a reasonable doubt yeah cuz I could see just just there's no evidence legally I
01:28:30
could see there being reasonable legally exactly and it's like but I can't get past the well I can't get past the well
01:28:37
but reminding the jury where the witnesses had come from he said it's just trash that's what those Witnesses
01:28:42
amount to that's what all your jailhouse Witnesses amount to is just trash the same thing that was found in the well to
01:28:48
say that that evidence that was found in the well is just trash if there's if they're all singing the same tune and
01:28:54
the tune happens to be correct they yeah they're garbage but they were right like I don't know what
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to tell you call that evidence that they found in that well trash I take my trash
01:29:05
out once a week never have I ever found a murder victim shoe never have I ever had a bloody t-shirt covered like
01:29:12
tattered because of somebody was stabbed wearing it never have I ever found a murder weapon that matched the exact
01:29:18
murder weapon of a victim that I had ever been tied to no that's not just that's what doesn't it just doesn't Vibe
01:29:27
with me that's not a riveting argument no but despite the degraded evidence and the questionable and criminal character
01:29:33
of the witnesses the jury did not take long in their deliberation before returning to the courtroom to announce
01:29:39
that after 33 years Frank Gart was guilty on five counts including first-degree murder battery and assault
01:29:47
after sentencing him to life in prison plus an additional 30 years judge Fletcher Sams address Frank Gart saying
01:29:54
hopefully sir you have stabbed your last victim wow later when asked what it was
01:29:59
that swayed the jury the most the foreman said we counted 17 times that Mr Gard admitted to the murder in some kind
01:30:07
of way over the years and that's just the way the ones that have come out 17 times 17 times he has admitted to that
01:30:14
17 times that they have been able to find or hear about you don't accidentally high on drugs admit to a
01:30:21
murder 17 times times that you didn't commit no exactly it doesn't it doesn't fly now
01:30:28
remember there's another person here for Bill Moore who was scheduled to go on trial in a few months the conviction was
01:30:32
an ominous sign of things to come so a few days later he agreed to a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to
01:30:40
manslaughter man slaughter I don't know why this deal was presented I think they
01:30:45
could have convicted him wow I don't know all the logistics but wow he got a 20year sentence a 20 20 years year
01:30:55
sentence I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that the murder weapon was found in Frank uh wow on his property
01:31:04
and the fact that he had in many of those confessions said he was the one who stabbed Timothy cogins but
01:31:12
manslaughter 20 years for this crime that's outrageous were they at least they must have been older at this point
01:31:21
at least like middle-aged yeah you know like absolutely it was 33 I think they I
01:31:25
think they were around their early 20s when this happened so like in their 50s or something like that yeah and Frank
01:31:29
was already in jail yeah and but on October 19th 2021 Moore died at the Augusta State Medical prison after
01:31:37
serving just two years of his sentence whoops rest in distress [ __ ] whoops for Coleman and Brer the investigation
01:31:45
and trial were just the first important step to writing the countless wrongs that have been committed against spalon
01:31:51
County's black community by local la enforcement for decades broer told a reporter this case changed me forever I
01:31:58
had never experienced evil purely based on someone's skin you really know nothing and you have to recognize that
01:32:04
and say this happened it happens and in order to confront this evil you cannot shy away from it you have to confront it
01:32:11
headon wow it gives me chills yeah for the cogins family the convictions were a remarkable turning point they never
01:32:19
expected to see no they prob thought3 years they would go to their graves never have anything happen in this case
01:32:25
for more than three decades they had been denied Justice and just left to wonder not wonder what happened to Tim
01:32:31
because they saw that he was brutalized but they didn't know the specifics and they didn't know who had done this to
01:32:37
their loved one and some of them were unable to ever get those horrific images of his brutalized body out of their
01:32:44
minds because remember law enforcement was circulating a photo trying to get an ID on Tim but thanks to the hard work of
01:32:52
Jared Coleman Oscar Jordan daral dicks and Mar and Marie Brer among others they could put those thoughts to rest
01:32:58
somewhat and move forward remembering and celebrating Tim for the person they remembered him to be unfortunately Tim
01:33:05
Cogan's mom Viola didn't technically live to see Justice carried out and this will make you possibly cry or like have
01:33:12
chills in some other worldly way she did see Justice and Wesley Lowry's article about the about Tim's case for GQ which
01:33:21
I definitely recommend it's going to be linked in the show notes definitely read
01:33:24
it he opens up by recounting the night that Viola had somewhat of a vision into the future she was pretty much on her
01:33:31
deathbed and her daughter TSA was there making her comfortable and Viola declared just seemingly out of nowhere
01:33:38
they found out who killed Tim and this was before anything literally just it went she and she continued they found
01:33:46
out who killed Tim I ain't going to be here for it but they're going to get who killed
01:33:50
Tim oh my God I feel you do you ever feel chills in your head yes yeah I just it went all the way up to my skull it's
01:33:59
like a whoosh holy [ __ ] she just I don't I don't know what she saw and for her to
01:34:06
say I'm not going to be here for it but but they're going to get they're going to get it [ __ ] yeah they are a mama
01:34:13
always knows and I'm happy that while she didn't get like like physical piece that she knew she knew she got she got
01:34:22
some kind of piece like she saw something wherever she was like I guess she hadn't like eaten
01:34:29
really in days I I I want to say it was either kidney failure or liver failure I
01:34:34
think it was kidney failure but she was like in the throws of that and then all of a sudden came too and said that to
01:34:39
her daughter TSA and it was like she hadn't she hadn't said much in days and imagine being TSA on the day that they
01:34:46
were sentence Oh my God sitting there being like she was right like she knew oh I like I just keep getting chills on
01:34:55
top happy that she got that in me too in 2020 uh TSA cogins told Wesley Lowry black people have a way because of all
01:35:03
that we've been through the way we the way we was raised forgiveness is the first thing that black people learn
01:35:09
after all the stuff that black people have endured From Slavery up till now we are still a forgiving people wow it's
01:35:16
like that makes you want to cry that like forgiveness is the first thing you have to learn as a black person
01:35:24
you're going to have to that like you you people are going to wrong you like people are going to wrong you and you
01:35:29
learn this whole history of how everyone before you like in your community was wronged and how to move on from that and
01:35:37
just to end that with we're still a forgiving people damn like that's a big person yeah that family is a a very
01:35:47
impressive family I found this case actually through Wesley Lowry's GQ article and he opens it up with that
01:35:53
story of Viola and I I read that first couple paragraphs and I was like we have to cover this like we have to cover this
01:36:01
it's such a gut-wrenching story oh it's a horrific story but the fact that after
01:36:06
33 years that family got Justice TSA got to see it Viola knew it was coming she knew it was coming and Oscar Jordan a
01:36:15
black man who was taken off the case got to arrest those racist [ __ ] the fact that they called him back to I'm
01:36:23
like absolutely incred you can't write that like that is and I was the whole time you were talking when after he was
01:36:30
taken off the case I was like he's got to come back if this man doesn't get some part of this like justice here I'm
01:36:36
going to be so angry just cuz like he was so close and they just yanked him away right when he had it and like
01:36:42
Sheriff darl dicks like deputizing him oh in that in that county or fact that he was like [ __ ] that like that the fact
01:36:50
that he dicks was like I'm not continuing this same yeah he was like way that we've been going down here for
01:36:56
we owe this to the black community in our area to we owe this and and then some it's about time people you know
01:37:03
like that kind of stuff like people step up it's that wow I'm very happy that that story has at least an ending that
01:37:12
is satisfying you know like in a in a just go okay like something something right came out of that and I just wanted
01:37:20
like I'm I'm so happy that violi Viola excuse me somehow knew that wild it's like other worldly and you just have to
01:37:27
wonder where she was and what she saw like just I I just like go into this like different part in my mind like
01:37:35
trying to picture that figure out um it's crazy it's a crazy story and it's really sad but I'm happy that it ends
01:37:43
the way that it does it's one that needs to be told yes so with all of that being
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said we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird you know not to keep it as weird as anything I just told
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you you know that XOXO [Music]