Search Captions & Ask AI

Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 4 - Up In Smoke - Full Episode

January 14, 2022 / 21:42

This episode covers the investigation into the fatal fire that killed Ed and Rosalie Camiolo in 1996, focusing on the evidence of arson and the subsequent trial of their son, Paul Camiolo. Key topics include the role of accelerants, the physics of fire, and the legal implications of the case.

Paul Camiolo made an emergency call reporting a fire in his family's home, claiming his mother was trying to extinguish it. Investigators initially believed the fire was accidental, likely caused by smoking materials. However, suspicions arose when evidence of gasoline was found on the living room floor.

As the investigation progressed, Paul was charged with two counts of first-degree murder due to the presence of gasoline, which prosecutors argued indicated arson. Despite his claims of innocence, the media portrayed him as a cold-blooded killer, while his family supported him.

Fire experts conducted tests to determine the fire's cause, ultimately concluding that the gasoline found was likely from the home's construction rather than arson. This evidence led to the dismissal of all charges against Paul after he spent 10 months in jail.

The episode highlights the challenges in fire investigation and the importance of scientific evidence in legal cases, showcasing how common perceptions can overshadow logical reasoning.

TLDR

The episode examines the wrongful accusation of Paul Camiolo for his parents' fatal fire, revealing flaws in the arson investigation.

Episode

21:42
00:00:06
in the aftermath of a fatal fire one question remained was it an accident or was it arson
00:00:15
it took the physics of a burning cigarette the chemical composition of a flame and a computer simulated fire to
00:00:22
determine how the fire started and who was responsible [Music] [Music] [Music] for 25 years ed and rosalie camiolo
00:00:59
lived in an affluent suburb just outside of philadelphia ed was a retired government worker
00:01:06
rosalie worked in the computer industry their only child paul a 31 year old computer programmer lived upstairs he
00:01:15
took care of his parents since they had difficulty getting around it's not that they were bedridden or
00:01:21
complete invalids but they certainly weren't athletic and able to respond in
00:01:26
my opinion to an emergency situation just before dawn in september of 1996 paul made an emergency call to the fire
00:01:35
department what is your emergency we have a fire in our living room it's getting really bad get out of the
00:01:42
house where the firepower coming out when police arrived they found paul on the front lawn
00:01:51
getting dressed paul said his mother and father had gotten out through the back door
00:01:57
when the officer went to the backyard to check there was an explosion she found rosalie on the back porch
00:02:06
severely burned and barely conscious but there was no sign of her 81 year old husband ed
00:02:13
firefighters later found him inside he had been unable to escape the victim that was located was in a
00:02:21
rear bathroom and he was in cardiac arrest at that time ed camiolo was pronounced dead at the
00:02:28
hospital rosalie died too a result of smoke inhalation how horrible it must have been for my uncle what he
00:02:38
went through to be burned and my aunt how horrible it must have been for her the firemen at the scene didn't see
00:02:46
anything suspicious there was a general consensus that the fire was accidental in nature and most
00:02:52
probably the result of the careless handling of smoking materials either a cigarette or
00:02:58
a match to light the cigarettes paul camiolo told investigators his mother was a chain smoker and that she
00:03:04
probably started the fire accidentally [Music] paul said he was asleep upstairs when he
00:03:11
heard his father calling him he said there was a small fire on the sofa which his mother was trying to put
00:03:17
out he ran to the kitchen got a pitcher of water and threw it on the sofa but it
00:03:22
made the fire worse he told his parents to go out the back door he called 9-1-1 then he went out
00:03:29
the front door to his car he was in his underwear i believe at the time had his car parked out in front and had
00:03:37
a gym bag in his car and he felt he could get some shorts or clothes to put on what doesn't make sense to me was
00:03:44
paul's story to this day i have problems with what he says happened this incident raised eyebrows among
00:03:54
investigators he went in an entirely different direction i mean i think common sense
00:04:00
dictates that you're going to make sure your folks get out of the house and the
00:04:04
way to make sure that your parents get out of the house is to follow them out of the house
00:04:09
paul camiolo admitted his behavior was a mistake but said he was dazed and confused
00:04:16
you know i remember feeling guilty about it because i was the able-bodied one and i didn't cut them out
00:04:28
but when a suspicious substance was found on the living room floor all eyes turned once again
00:04:36
to paul camiolo [Music] ed and rose camiolo were laid to rest in the family plot
00:04:46
just a few miles from their home the cameolos lives before the fire had not been easy
00:04:54
their son paul was their primary caregiver you know he did have that responsibility
00:05:00
to help assist his parents he would do the grocery shopping for them if they wanted something from a
00:05:06
department store a lot of times he would go to the mall and buy it and bring it home
00:05:11
investigators wondered whether paul may have had something to do with setting the fire
00:05:18
there was money there in the form of insurance money and that in and of itself is a powerful motive
00:05:24
i believe received about 200 000 in insurance benefits a second motive that some of the
00:05:31
investigators believed existed was that paul cameola was tired of caring for his
00:05:36
infirmed parents fire investigators searched through the rubble and found something very
00:05:43
suspicious [Music] in the center of the room there was a pattern that looked like perhaps it
00:05:50
might have been associated with a liquid pour what they refer to when someone might have poured
00:05:55
an accelerant to see if an accelerant was used investigators removed samples of the
00:06:01
carpeting the padding and the hardwood floor the samples were sealed in paint cans to
00:06:09
prevent any gases from escaping and sent to the forensic lab gas chromatography can identify the
00:06:17
molecular components of the samples and the results showed there was evidence of
00:06:22
gasoline on the wood floor and the single biggest piece of evidence for them to conclude this was an arson fire was the
00:06:34
finding of gasoline in the hardwood floor because how else would you explain gasoline in a living room when the test
00:06:42
results come back it changes from i don't know to wow we have a we have an accelerant here
00:06:48
this must be an arson and that changes people's opinions to prosecutors the presence of gasoline
00:06:54
meant murder based on this evidence prosecutors believe that paul poured gasoline on the
00:07:03
living room floor while his parents were upstairs asleep he then set the room on fire and called
00:07:11
the fire department the heat and smoke made it impossible for paul's parents to make it out of the
00:07:21
house alive paul strongly denied these charges my mother and father knew the truth and
00:07:29
god knows the truth and that's all that mattered to me paul camiolo was arrested and charged
00:07:36
with two counts of first degree murder his request for bail was denied i had no problem justifying
00:07:45
arguing for the death penalty i mean i just i can't think of anything more vile
00:07:50
than killing the very people that brought you into this world they were saying i tried to burn them to
00:07:56
death you know i that's that's just you know horrible beyond words the press depicted him as a cold-blooded
00:08:08
killer yet his family stood firmly behind him anybody that knew paul knew he couldn't do anything like that
00:08:15
he loved his parents very much and they were very devoted families that boy was good to his parents we were
00:08:22
all there to support him and we all like we all went to the hearings and [Music]
00:08:27
several of us visited him on a regular basis we all believed that he was innocent
00:08:32
as the trial approached paul camiolo and his defense team looked for some way to prove that the fire was
00:08:40
an accident i couldn't imagine how the gasoline got in there there had to be another explanation as
00:08:49
to why gasoline was in that floor [Music] the firemen responding to the cameolos
00:08:56
house fire were all volunteers but one of them had an unusual background steve avata was also an agent with the
00:09:07
bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms he had been a philadelphia policeman prior to going to the atf so he was not
00:09:15
somebody just out of the academy he had been someone involved in police work for
00:09:19
a number of years the atf took no part in this investigation but personally avado was dumbfounded
00:09:26
when he learned paul camiolo had been charged with arson to him it just didn't
00:09:32
make sense that finding shocked me uh i hadn't anticipated that it seemed very
00:09:38
difficult to explain how the gasoline would be in hardwood floor but not in carpeting and padding above it if a
00:09:45
significant volume of gasoline was poured and novato wasn't the least bit suspicious of paul's behavior on the
00:09:52
night of the fire it's not unusual for people in a fire to exit a building through the way that
00:09:58
they're most comfortable exiting if they typically come and go through the front door no matter where
00:10:04
they are in the house they'll exit through the front door avato told local investigators that he
00:10:09
believed the fire was accidental and he was roundly dismissed they portrayed him in the media that he
00:10:17
was you know an apprentice fire investigator that really was not experienced and really didn't have the
00:10:23
qualifications to be offering opinions he was treated like dirt by the locals and by the attorneys
00:10:32
involved in this case when the defense team learned about steve avato's opinion that the fire was
00:10:38
an accident they conducted their own investigation and hired dr rick roby an expert on the
00:10:46
science of fires what makes it difficult is fires burn up a lot of the evidence roby studies fires while they're burning
00:10:57
to do this he sets fires like this one in model rooms fires progress differently depending on
00:11:04
how they're set the size of the room air flow and hundreds of other considerations
00:11:11
all of this data is then entered into a computer it's a fully 3d fire modeling software that actually
00:11:19
allows you to model the development and growth of a fire in a building for this assignment roby and his staff
00:11:26
built a virtual reality replica of the cameolo home then they entered all known information
00:11:33
about the fire into the computer roby conservatively estimated that it would take at least one gallon of
00:11:42
gasoline to create a poor pattern the size of the one found in the living room five or six minutes after paul camiolo
00:11:51
called the fire department the outside window exploded the explosion was the result of what is
00:11:58
called flashover when flashover occurs temperatures in the room get so high that items ignite even without coming
00:12:09
into contact with the flame as you can see here and in fact unfortunately there are
00:12:15
firefighters killed every year by having been caught in flashover conditions because it happens so rapidly
00:12:22
sometimes it's very difficult to escape from those conditions after roby entered this information into
00:12:28
his computer program he lit a virtual match within 30 seconds hot gas fills the room
00:12:37
within one minute smoke and gas spread up the stairs to the second floor and three minutes after ignition the
00:12:45
living room would reach flashover blowing out the window the entire room becomes engulfed in
00:12:51
flames because there's so much burning and so much hot gas that it's completely
00:12:56
uninhabitable [Music] but the police witnessed the window breaking five or six minutes after paul
00:13:05
called the fire department to robie this meant that gasoline couldn't have been used to start the
00:13:12
fire he would have had a tough time actually getting to the front door without being
00:13:17
engulfed in flames that's one of the things our model showed so we look at the arson scenario and there's
00:13:22
inconsistency after inconsistency next roby tested paul camiolo's story paul said the fire started by accident
00:13:32
with a cigarette or a match his mother had been using at one minute the fire would be about two feet tall
00:13:40
and gathering strength at two minutes it would be moving across the ceiling at four minutes temperatures and gas
00:13:47
levels in the room would be fatal at five and a half minutes the fire reaches flashover and the window blows
00:13:55
out [Music] this was consistent with paul camiolo's version of events matches up with everything that paul
00:14:04
camiolo is saying and with other objective evidence that he has nothing to do with
00:14:10
but important questions remained if the fire was an accident why was gasoline found on the living
00:14:19
room floor i was horrified it felt like i was in my own horror film defense attorney thomas kameta strongly
00:14:34
believed his client paul camiolo was innocent that he never set fire to his family's home in order to kill his
00:14:42
parents facing the death penalty for a crime that he was convinced and we were convinced
00:14:48
first of all didn't he did not commit but a crime that didn't occur that this
00:14:51
was an accidental fire so yeah there were high stakes in this case there's no doubt about that the
00:14:58
reason paul camilo had been charged with first degree murder was the gasoline found on the wood floors in the living
00:15:05
room but paul's defense team was suspicious of this finding they took samples of the carpeting the carpet
00:15:15
padding and some newspaper and there was no gasoline in any of those samples it was only in the hardwood floor
00:15:22
and it was just inconceivable how can you pour gasoline in a family room and not get the gas on those other items if
00:15:30
that was going to be the cause of the fire so the defense team hired john lentini a
00:15:37
nationally recognized fire expert to find out what happened [Music] lentini retested the samples of hardwood
00:15:47
floor using atomic absorption spectroscopy it's a way to measure the concentration
00:15:54
of metals in a solution the wood flooring was dissolved in acid then analyzed to see how the solution is
00:16:03
absorbed through the flame the amount of light absorbed is proportional to the concentration of the
00:16:10
element in the solution and what was the element found in the solution lead this meant that it was leaded gasoline
00:16:22
on the cameolo's wood floors but how did this happen since leaded gasoline hadn't been sold
00:16:28
in this country for over 15 years many of the poorly constructed houses that i've
00:16:34
looked at were built in the early 70s and they were built by contractors who were cutting corners
00:16:40
flooring contractors often used gasoline as a thinner so the varnish would go onto the wooden floors more easily
00:16:48
this was cheaper than using high quality thinners no one refuted the fact that that was a
00:16:54
common practice that they did use gas in finishing of the hardwood floors so i'm
00:16:59
convinced that's where that gas came from so that was really the moment where he
00:17:04
said here's the final piece of the puzzle if this is leaded gasoline it all makes sense and it makes sense that it
00:17:09
would be there and why forensic tests also revealed how the fire started a cigarette dropped onto a polyurethane
00:17:19
sofa will simply smolder but when a match is dropped on the same material it's almost like an explosion
00:17:31
and tests revealed that another aspect of paul's story was correct that when he poured water on the fire it
00:17:39
got worse the average person wouldn't know that polyurethane melts and then when you
00:17:44
throw water on it it actually flares up like a grease fire when prosecutors heard about this to
00:17:50
their credit they conducted their own test they secured from the manufacturer the
00:17:55
same fabric that was on the camiolo sofa and i cut off a four inch by four inch portion of this fabric
00:18:05
and we dropped the match on it and it ignited immediately and at that point i knew that the case
00:18:12
was in trouble serious trouble and the alleged poor pattern on the living room floor
00:18:20
many now believe it was simply the result of normal wear and tear you would expect that people walking
00:18:27
back and forth on the carpet would thin the carpet and therefore any heat that's
00:18:31
imparted on that would pass through that carpet area more quickly than in other areas
00:18:37
when all of this overwhelming body of evidence came to light all charges against paul camiolo were
00:18:44
dropped in this business you have people that for a certain amount of money will tell
00:18:49
you anything you want to hear these experts where not of that ilk and no it wasn't tough it wasn't a sad day
00:18:58
it was the right thing to do and if it's the right thing to do then do it and i'm not saying that it was malicious
00:19:03
and intentional i'm saying that unfortunately they had gut feelings and years of practical experience that led
00:19:11
them to conclude this had to be an arson fire so they let common perceptions outweigh
00:19:18
logic and science and luckily logic and science prevailed in this case paul spent 10 months in jail
00:19:26
facing a possible death sentence for a crime that never happened there there are days i can't bear to
00:19:34
look at pictures of my mother and father because i i just remember the fire and there
00:19:44
are other days that you know once you've been in jail yummy field at times you have a
00:19:50
scarlet ladder he spent 10 months in jail he'll never get that time back that was liberty that
00:19:57
was taken away from him that he'll never get back it was a time that he should
00:20:01
have been grieving for the loss of his parents and instead he was fighting for his own life
00:20:06
john lentini says fire investigation still has a long way to go before its application is as
00:20:13
dependable as other forensic sciences it's a matter of a profession that is largely controlled and dominated by
00:20:21
hacks and these people didn't set out to become hacks but they don't know what
00:20:25
they're doing they're making complicated decisions about chemistry and physics
00:20:30
and they never took chemistry in physics [Music] when asked how it felt to be right all
00:20:35
along not surprisingly steve avato had no comment but his colleagues spoke for him
00:20:43
his courage was was later recognized by his fellow fire investigators when the international
00:20:50
association of arson investigators named him investigator of the year for standing up to the enormous peer
00:20:57
pressure that came down on him when he said wait a minute guys i don't think we've really
00:21:01
got an arson here [Music] [Applause] [Music] you

Badges

This episode stands out for the following:

  • 90
    Most heartbreaking
  • 85
    Most shocking
  • 85
    Biggest twist
  • 80
    Most dramatic

Episode Highlights

  • The Fatal Fire
    In September 1996, a fire claimed the lives of Ed and Rosalie Camiolo, leading to a complex investigation.
    “One question remained: was it an accident or was it arson?”
    @ 00m 09s
    January 14, 2022
  • Suspicion Falls on Paul
    Paul Camiolo, the couple's son, becomes a suspect after the fire reveals suspicious evidence.
    “When a suspicious substance was found, all eyes turned once again to Paul Camiolo.”
    @ 04m 30s
    January 14, 2022
  • The Evidence of Gasoline
    Investigators discover gasoline on the living room floor, leading to murder charges against Paul.
    “The presence of gasoline meant murder.”
    @ 06m 54s
    January 14, 2022
  • Charges Dropped
    After extensive investigation, all charges against Paul Camiolo were dropped, revealing the fire was accidental.
    “All charges against Paul Camiolo were dropped.”
    @ 18m 44s
    January 14, 2022
  • Recognition for Integrity
    Steve Avato's courage in questioning the arson claim earned him recognition in the fire investigation community.
    “His courage was later recognized by his fellow fire investigators.”
    @ 20m 54s
    January 14, 2022

Episode Quotes

  • How horrible it must have been for my uncle.
    Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 4 - Up In Smoke - Full Episode
  • I had no problem justifying arguing for the death penalty.
    Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 4 - Up In Smoke - Full Episode
  • I couldn’t imagine how the gasoline got in there.
    Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 4 - Up In Smoke - Full Episode
  • There are days I can’t bear to look at pictures of my mother and father.
    Forensic Files - Season 10, Episode 4 - Up In Smoke - Full Episode

Key Moments

  • Fatal Fire00:06
  • Investigation Begins00:09
  • Suspicious Evidence04:30
  • Charges Filed07:36
  • Charges Dropped18:44

Tension Over Time

Words per Minute Over Time

Vibes Breakdown