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RE-RELEASE - Judd Apatow

May 06, 2026 / 01:18:08

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Jud Appattow might live near me soon.

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>> Really? That's a interesting little bit

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of information.

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>> Since we did this episode,

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>> I see Jud probably more than most uh

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people I see out here. And

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>> he still gets in the clubs, right?

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>> The He still does comedy clubs. Yeah. I

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saw him at a dinner thing

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>> and he had me drop Leslie, his lovely

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wife, off their mansion.

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>> He done well. Well, the kid done well.

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>> Yeah. Funny dude. Started with him years

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and years ago in the Valley with Adam

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and uh Schneider before, you know, it

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turned into uh working as a regular in

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the club way before SNL and then he sort

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of it was writing with Jim Carrey. He's

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doing a lot and then he went on to be

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this huge producer, director, and comic.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And he talks about the that

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in this episode just the way he kind of

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navigated from standup to producer

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director of movies.

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>> Pretty interesting journey.

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>> Fun guy. A lot of fun stories. Here's

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Jud Appattow.

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>> Jud Appattow. The one and only.

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>> We Jud's got so much and so much in

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comedy that it's

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>> perfect. It's right up. Go back to

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>> go back. We just started

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>> and the lead and lead into this because

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uh confidence. Okay. This why I think of

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you. I think of here how I think of

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dysfunctional comedians. Yes. Wounded,

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upset, dramatic, dysfunctional, make the

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wrong decisions or as Leonardo would

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say, never stop. They do stop. They

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whine. They're, you know, when I think

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of someone like you or Sandler, it's

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just full speed ahead. I mean, did you

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in those early days? I mean, how did you

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like we remember when I hosted the 15th

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annual comedians show?

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>> Yes. I told you.

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>> I told you the young comedian.

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>> One word, Jud. Direct.

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>> I didn't say that.

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>> You might not have heard of it. It was a

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catering.

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>> Well, that was a big deal because that

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was the show we all wanted to get on. To

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me, that was like getting on the Tonight

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Show, the HBO Young comedian special.

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Everyone broke off of that. You were on

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it. I went to the taping and saw you and

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Schneider do it. And Dennis Miller

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hosted it.

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>> He hosted in the crowd was David Bowie.

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>> And that seemed like the most

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pressurized situation to do a set with

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David Bowie in the corner looking like

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Starman. It was a really exciting night

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in Santa Monica at this little theater

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that is now a bookstore.

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>> And Drake Sther had an incredible set

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that was

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>> on your set. Yeah. Yeah. Mine.

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>> Uh and

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>> Drake was great.

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>> And then I auditioned for it in New York

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at Standup New York. John Stewart was

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also auditioning for it. I brought all

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my friends from high school. John

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Stewart murdered so hard gets the show.

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I go on after him. You couldn't bomb

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worse. No. In front of all of my

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friends.

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>> That's the worst. And it you stack the

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crowd of it.

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>> I stack the crowd and even my friends

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were like, I don't know where to laugh.

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>> Well, how did they feel? Well, how did

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you deal with afterwards in the faces

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that go that was good? Good. Were they

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changed the review midward?

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>> There was nothing. There was no way for

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even them to fake that. That went

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>> How long did that affect you? Like a

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week or

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>> I could wake up in the middle of the

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night right now and be like, "Oh,

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>> well that was a big deal." That was

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There was nothing really going on and it

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was HBO.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And the Tonight Show and I tried to get

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on Young Comedians every year and I kept

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barely missing it. And I was a young

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comedian and they go, "Oh, we gave it to

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Richard Belzer this year." I'm like,

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"Well, isn't he 80?"

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>> Well, didn't we have we had Janine Graph

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on the 15th annual?

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>> Oh, that was yours. Yeah. What was your

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lineup? Ray Romano,

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>> he was the one who stole it. And even

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when we were shooting these like

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interstitial interviews, uh I don't even

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know if they used much of it. We all

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went,

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>> "Oh my god, Ray Romano is going to be a

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star." Like he found himself Yeah.

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>> in that moment. Nick is Regis. I don't

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do I don't I don't He really wanted me

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to. Anyway,

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>> wait. If that's so many that this I know

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we're going to talk about so many

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things. I love the young comedians

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because the lineups are interesting and

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the interstitials were interesting

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because they go HBO said just talk to

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the camera for a minute about whatever

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and that was looking back it really

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showed you had no direction on ours.

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>> Yeah, me too. So what do you remember

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what you even did?

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>> I don't remember. I just remember

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watching Ray do his and he was eating an

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apple while talking and just was already

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a master and I think I I just thought

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>> oh this is another level of how you do

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it

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>> of it and I thought I had a pretty

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mediocre set and I made a very big

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mistake in doing the set which is I had

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never been on HBO. I'd only been on like

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Comic Strip Live and Evening at the

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Improv where you're never allowed to

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curse.

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>> And I said, "I'm going to curse,

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>> right? Why not show?"

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And then if you watch my act, I think I

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just added [ __ ] everywhere

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>> just to be edgy and none of them were

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punchlines and out of work. And then

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when they would air it on Comedy Central

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reruns, they have to bleep all the

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curses. So it it's just a very

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>> I always tell young comedians, save the

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[ __ ] Don't just go, "I went to the

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[ __ ] store. has to be a punch line

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and if you're Jerry Seinfeld you'll

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you'll fight the line for a year to get

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the [ __ ] out.

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>> It's hard to follow a dirty comic also.

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And now John Stewart, last question. Do

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you look at the lineup and are you

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worried about following John Stewart or

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he kind of blindsided you?

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>> Total blindside. I don't think I knew

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>> his act that much back then because that

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was 1992.

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So I I wasn't on the east coast much so

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I didn't know what what was happening

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and I don't remember who else was

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>> was on that night but then I got it the

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next the next year and Kindler was on

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that and Jane Garop and Bill Bellamy.

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>> Bill Bellamy. Yeah.

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>> And that was

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>> like the week we started doing the Ben

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Stiller show. So I had to go to Arizona

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for

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>> and shoot it and then come back and we

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started

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>> you know shooting Ben show.

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>> How did you know Ben at that point? I

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met Ben online at Elvis Castello

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Unplugged.

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>> Okay. For you 92 online

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>> in line at a

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>> online or in line that's a

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>> you were physically in line

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>> Seinfeld bit. Uh

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>> yeah,

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>> I I was in line online and then uh Dana

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Gould was there and he intro he had met

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Ben before and he introduced me to Ben

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and then we were chatting and

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>> he very quickly mentioned that HBO

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wanted him to do a sketch show

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>> and I was like, "Oh, we should get

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together and kick that around." And we

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did like a day or two later and then

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sold it like a week later and everyone

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thought we knew each other for years and

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we literally had just met the week

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before and then HBO sold it to Fox. What

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were your credentials at that point that

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he would say, "Okay, you're good enough

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to do this."

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>> I, you know, I had just like, they were

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like stealth credentials that seemed

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better than they were. So, I would help

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people write their acts and then they

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would throw me a co-producer credit. So,

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I did that for Jim Carrey and Roseanne

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and I did a special which was a funny

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special with Dennis Miller. It was the

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pregame show for Paul Simon live in

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Central Park.

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>> All these funny shows way

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And so he did a half hour where they

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showed clips of Paul Simon before

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concert. And so I wrote, you know, the

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pregame show with him.

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>> When you write with Dennis, basically

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you're transcribing because he's so

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funny and you're just organizing. Sappo

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cat got some lines for me. Well, my

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favorite joke I wrote for him was uh

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we're about to start the show where Paul

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Simon

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>> along with his with 27 along with he

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goes coming up next is Paul Simon and

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the 27 musicians it took to replace art.

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>> That's a great line. That's very

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Dennisy.

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>> Coming up next 27 Paul Simon and the 27

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musicians it took to replace art. Okay.

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But I uh he used to do that too. Same

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with

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>> whispered to his friend, he means scarf

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fun.

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>> See, it's the jaw. Everything. Carson's

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the jaw. That's the jaw. 99% of

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impressions are jawbased.

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>> Jawbased.

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>> Well, Dennis, uh, so I did that with

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Dennis and so that made it appear. So I

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had a bunch of those credits. I did like

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three Tom Arnold's specials that were

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like kind of like reality comedy

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>> and

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>> it gave the appearance that I was a

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producer, but really I wasn't producing.

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Would were you actively in a very

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healthy way unafraid had an inner

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confidence and sort of self-promoting in

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a normal way like I like a sense I can

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do this or were you like Ben so did you

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ever have in where were your

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insecurities?

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>> I was terrified. I

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>> you just fought through them. Huh?

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>> I just Well I mean I've talked about

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this before but it's interesting to talk

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about with David.

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>> This podcast is huge. Believe me, no

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one's heard it before. This is global.

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But you know, David lived down the

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street

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>> when I lived with Sandler.

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>> Rob Schneider lived across the street.

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>> Drake Sad lived close by.

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>> Drake Sader lived close by. I was

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writing jokes for Jim Carrey who lived

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over the hill and that was right as And

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then color was starting. And I

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>> Car was like Apple stock. You got in way

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early on that one.

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>> Exactly. Like the Tesla stock I thought

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I shouldn't buy because he was stood

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carry, you know, just like they don't

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got nothing. And I I definitely had that

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sneaking suspicion. Oh, I'm not as good

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at this

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on seeing guys that are better than you

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and then just surpassing them basically.

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>> Well, I just thought this isn't my move

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in the way that it's their move. I mean,

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when I remember, David, when you came to

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town with your leather jacket, fresh

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from

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>> Arizona Surfer, you were dressed like

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with Sharon Stone in the Police Academy

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movie.

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There's a new guy in town and I wasn't

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even in at the improv. I would go to the

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Valley improv and wait to see if someone

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didn't show up and then I would do that

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spot.

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>> Oh, cover. Oh, yeah.

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>> The manager, Joe Drew, was always cool.

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And you I literally remember the day

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that you came to town and it was like,

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>> oh Jesus Christ. You you could feel

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like, oh, this guy's going to do great

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and he looks great.

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>> He's got attitude. And then then

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Schneider came from San Francisco. God.

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Come on.

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>> He's doing the gym teacher bit.

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>> Yes. Set your clocks back.

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>> Yeah. He's doing that bit and and then

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Sandler was doing Elvis in the

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refrigerator and and and everyone seems

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to be reinventing.

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>> Ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Cuz you're like,

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"This kind of isn't what we saw." When I

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used to look at that improv uh

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chalkboard, it used to be, it would say

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like, "This is dating me, but it would

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be like Leno, Paul Riser, Jeff Alman,

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>> Ellen, maybe." Yeah. Seinfeld. And

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you're like, it was such a like first

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ballot hall of famers. You go Jesus.

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>> And but you didn't really realize it

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then. Just everyone was good, you know.

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>> And then but they all kind of were

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around the same age, same look. So that

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I got in

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>> 60% because I looked, you know, 17 and I

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had I had blind.

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>> You always had kind of confidence or you

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were faking it. I met you. You were like

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21 and I was like, this guy seems like

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he's got it all together. I know. He was

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completely wrong. But then he passed out

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a Jack in the Box from hypoglycemia.

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>> Do you remember when I

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>> Did you ever in high school say Jack off

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in the box? And that was the big joke

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for the guys in the Volkswagen drive.

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>> And you go I could go national with this

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joke. Jack off in the box.

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>> Jack off in the box. Hey, wait a minute.

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It's called Jack in the Box. Hey, that's

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a sexual.

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>> No, Jud. What about

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>> Come on, Jud. What about

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>> when we were you there when I passed out

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at Taco Bell?

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>> Well, I was I didn't see it, but it was

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this thing where like

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>> no one saw it. Suddenly, David has this

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thing where if he doesn't eat, he's

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going to he's going to go unconscious in

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public spaces. And then it happened in

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Saturday Night Live, right? Where they

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had to like wheel you out on a

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stretcher.

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>> That was pretty much every other week at

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17.

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>> We were meeting to play tennis. I think

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Adam I think everyone was supposed to

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play tennis and then I stopped by Del

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Taco. What everyone does before they do

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activities. And then I think it was a

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combo. I was waiting in line. and I

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hadn't eaten and I started to feel and

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and maybe there was a dog tooth in my

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burrito. Something about it was like

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this isn't working. And then I go I

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think I just laid down on the floor in

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Taco Bell. No friends, nothing. No one

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helping me. And I'm like, "Oh, Sandler's

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not even famous. Not yet. That's not

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going to help me." And uh

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>> you knew he was going to be famous.

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>> Now I know he would have sent a chopper.

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>> Well, you were delicate. That's when we

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we found out you were delicate.

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>> You'd hang out with you and your eyes

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get real big. You go, I got to go. I got

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to go. just just got here.

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>> Let's go back to Jud for one second.

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>> I like exploring hypoglycemia in an

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adult. That's page one.

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>> But anyway, so that was, you know, the

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environment as a fan of comedy. Always a

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giant fan of it.

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>> I was smart enough to, you know, to meet

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someone like Nor McDonald and go like,

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>> this is another level of this, but I

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could sit I used to write jokes for

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Roseanne with Norm. like we both got

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hired to write her act together and John

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Rei and me and Norm I remember going to

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Roseanne's house and we would sit there

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with legal pads with Roseanne and

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>> you know she she would say like I want

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to do a bit about how it's it's better

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to suck [ __ ] than to kiss ass because at

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least when you suck [ __ ] it's like a

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it's a deal I'll suck your [ __ ] and then

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you'll give me something. when you kiss

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ass, you're doing it with the hope that

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you'll get something. And she would like

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she'd tell us some like theory she had

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and we would like write it down and try

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to turn it into a

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>> and so Norm was demir in a way and like

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just trying to please

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>> see Norm in that scenario.

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>> Yeah, you got to good feedback going,

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"Yeah, there's something there."

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>> Kiss ass

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[ __ ] How about that joke? You were

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smart because you were like noticing

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early on if you didn't think which you

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did make it as a comedian, but early on

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you go you were like it was Bitcoin

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producer credits.

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>> They were like worth so much you didn't

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know it and then later they just start

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paying off in reruns and

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>> well you guys never wanted to help other

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people.

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>> That's what it was that everyone wanted

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to be everyone wanted to be a star.

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>> Just hit me like it was Planet Dana from

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day one day. Sharp elbows,

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[ __ ] HELLO THAT.

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>> YEAH, but you're never going to write

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like jokes for other people for money. I

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had no money and I was really afraid of

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being broke. So I thought, no one seems

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to want to help anyone. And if people

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were like, "Oh yeah, they'll give you 50

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bucks a joke or a couple hundred bucks

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to sit with them for a few hours." So I

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did that with George Wallace and and

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Taylor Negron,

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>> everybody. Great. You know what that

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you're totally right going back to

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dysfunctional comedians and if they meet

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a guy like you who's smart and funny

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disciplined and is gonna kind of tease

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out the best of them. So David actually

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wrote jokes for me for a short period of

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time. Remember the grumpy old man joke

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he wrote?

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>> Oh no. Go do it.

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>> It was I'm like in my day we didn't have

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latex condoms. Let's see. Uh we would

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take a bare skin and wrap it around our

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PRIVATES AND TIE IT OFF WITH A bungee

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cord and we use the same one over and

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over again. That's the way it was. We

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liked it, but for a very brief time

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before

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>> No, I think it was cuz SNL I was I

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talked to S this morning because you

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were coming on and uh I was saying, "Do

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you remember the sketch I wrote for

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Julia Sweeney?" Cuz we had talked to her

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and we started talking and I I wrote the

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sketch for her and she was surprised

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because I wasn't in it.

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>> And he goes, "Yeah, well, you're a

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[ __ ] writer." And I go, "Oh, that's

00:15:51

right." Because we are so selfish that

00:15:54

at the end of the day, my job was to

00:15:56

write. So was Sandler. So, you're not

00:15:58

supposed to really write for yourself

00:15:59

there. And uh so I wrote uh for someone

00:16:03

else and then I guess cuz Dennis would

00:16:05

ask me for update jokes. You if I wrote

00:16:07

for Grumpy Old Man, I thought that was

00:16:09

such a funny hook. If I could throw some

00:16:10

[ __ ] in,

00:16:11

>> fine. You know, you've got great guys

00:16:13

all around you. Like if I had a rewrite

00:16:15

table,

00:16:15

>> it is magic for a comedian who's written

00:16:17

all their own stuff and knows how hard

00:16:18

it is and you have your few hits, you

00:16:20

repeat them over and over again, and

00:16:21

then someone like Bonnie and Terry

00:16:23

Turner or David or Robert Smiggle hands

00:16:25

you something. I'm like, cuz I had

00:16:26

written a sketch and I left it early on

00:16:29

in SNL. I left it and Robert said, "Can

00:16:31

I take a look at it?" I'm like, "Okay,

00:16:33

who's this guy writing?" I thought I'd

00:16:35

already got it. And I came in, it was

00:16:36

like gold. I'm like, "Oh my god, it's so

00:16:38

much better." The [ __ ]

00:16:40

>> So, it's really makes sense how

00:16:42

comedians would gravitate toward you.

00:16:44

>> Well, Sandler, you know, was really

00:16:46

smart. And that's what he did because I

00:16:49

I remember first of all, I remember when

00:16:51

he went to audition for the show. He

00:16:53

flies to Chicago at the time. His act is

00:16:55

all just like mumbling.

00:16:57

>> So in the world Chamberlain bit

00:16:59

>> and and he was hilarious but still hit

00:17:01

and miss in the clubs.

00:17:02

>> Like we loved it. We would sit in the

00:17:04

back and just love it and but I I

00:17:08

remember going to gigs with him where it

00:17:09

did not go well. It was not a consistent

00:17:12

situation. We all knew he would make it

00:17:14

big.

00:17:15

>> The last time it did not go well for

00:17:16

Sandler.

00:17:17

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember going

00:17:19

with him to San Diego to the uh San

00:17:21

Diego Improv and telling Dave Becky, who

00:17:24

ran it at the time, oh, you got to let

00:17:26

Sandler headline like on a Monday and

00:17:28

Sandler bombed so bad for an hour and

00:17:30

put his back against the wall and just

00:17:32

ran it.

00:17:33

>> Just

00:17:35

annoyed.

00:17:36

>> And so when he left to do the audition,

00:17:38

I thought, I mean, what does Adam do? I

00:17:41

mean, he doesn't do characters. I mean,

00:17:42

what is he going to bring to the show?

00:17:44

And then he gets it and suddenly like

00:17:46

he's gone and I'm in this shitty

00:17:48

apartment living under a stripper in the

00:17:49

valley and he doesn't bring his clothes,

00:17:52

his ID. I literally have his ID and his

00:17:55

driver's license from when he left.

00:17:58

>> I have no idea. Back then you couldn't

00:17:59

do it. Like he took nothing with him. I

00:18:01

I literally have a box in

00:18:03

>> bring dynamite on the plane back then.

00:18:05

>> You can do anything back then. And so so

00:18:07

>> one time

00:18:09

I forgot what this it was leading into.

00:18:11

Okay. So Sandra gets there and he's

00:18:13

trying to get on on the show

00:18:15

>> and his strategy was to write for you.

00:18:17

>> So he would he would write you an

00:18:20

amazing sketch with someone usually

00:18:21

someone like Smile and like in his head.

00:18:24

So he'd write like whatever I think he

00:18:25

was part of maybe the Pepper sketch.

00:18:28

>> Oh, Pepper Boy

00:18:31

and Smile probably got on that too.

00:18:32

Yeah.

00:18:33

>> And the other one was the one where

00:18:35

you're the host who keeps making out

00:18:37

with the people walking in the

00:18:38

restaurant. that

00:18:40

was. Yeah, that was when I was still on

00:18:42

SNL. The other one was hosting, but

00:18:44

Sandler Schneider went in that house.

00:18:46

>> Elanto was a [ __ ] hit. Was that

00:18:47

Christy Alley was a host

00:18:48

>> or was it uh the other one was like, you

00:18:51

lack of the juice?

00:18:53

>> That was Smiggle and Sandler. But yeah,

00:18:55

Elanor was the one where I had

00:18:56

Victoria's arm legs up in the air and

00:18:59

Smiggle kind of tried to say, "Don't do

00:19:01

that." And I'm like, that was one of the

00:19:03

biggest that I was just writing a phys

00:19:05

physical gag. Yeah.

00:19:06

>> And S would give himself like one joke

00:19:08

in it, but a good joke.

00:19:10

>> Yeah.

00:19:10

>> And that's how he tried to get himself

00:19:12

exposed, which is to let other people

00:19:14

like you murder, but give himself a key

00:19:16

thing where I think he came out in his

00:19:18

underwear at the end of the

00:19:19

>> He was rip fit, man. He's like a boxer

00:19:22

as don't you forget about Dimacho, man.

00:19:24

>> Yeah.

00:19:26

I

00:19:27

>> But I always found him funny and

00:19:29

charming and and he did have a few a few

00:19:31

months of connecting with the audience.

00:19:33

Opera Man, it was so abstract. do that

00:19:37

and I just loved it. The silliness of

00:19:38

it, but when he hooked, they went with

00:19:40

him. Boom.

00:19:41

>> I don't think Franken loved it at Well,

00:19:43

let's get back to you. So, you

00:19:44

>> I remember him telling me about Frank

00:19:45

and not liking it. He would like tell me

00:19:48

that cuz I would always be like, "How's

00:19:49

it going?" Cuz I was, you know, this was

00:19:51

my dream to get invested out. That's

00:19:53

what I was going to ask. So, when Sailor

00:19:54

got in, they're like, "Oh my god,

00:19:56

someone got in.

00:19:57

>> They're going to pull me in at some

00:19:58

point." And we would all be on the phone

00:19:59

with Adam trying to think of uh ideas

00:20:02

for him. and Schneider.

00:20:03

>> I don't remember you calling asking for

00:20:05

anything, but I remember talking to

00:20:07

Schneider.

00:20:07

>> I was crying in my office, passed out,

00:20:10

sensitive, naked man was one of those.

00:20:13

>> He was trying to figure out, you know,

00:20:14

how do you how do you get on the show?

00:20:15

How do I get my personality through? And

00:20:17

I remember he said that one day he

00:20:20

knocked on Lauren's door and Franken's

00:20:24

in there. He says he's in his underwear.

00:20:27

He put a hammer in his butt. Like he was

00:20:29

holding a hammer in his butt. This is Al

00:20:32

Franken.

00:20:32

>> No, this is Sandler.

00:20:34

And then he and then he just like

00:20:36

knocked the door, opened the door and

00:20:37

went like it's hammer time.

00:20:41

>> And then they did not look amused at

00:20:43

all. And then he walked away like he was

00:20:45

just trying to find a way.

00:20:46

>> That's just a ballsy that's very suck.

00:20:49

Who would have

00:20:51

like New York guy and like upper going

00:20:54

to Orso and and Franken and then a guy

00:20:56

walking with hammer his butt. But it was

00:20:59

the not the changing of the guard, but

00:21:01

it was like a bunch of guys going,

00:21:03

>> "Can we try all this kind of stuff?

00:21:05

>> I was a little different. Adam was

00:21:07

different that way." And so it just was

00:21:09

a new way, I don't know, of thinking.

00:21:12

But you were right along our lines. So

00:21:15

>> I get on with Rob, Sandler gets on. Uh I

00:21:19

don't think you knew Farley and Rock

00:21:20

back then, but So then you are very

00:21:24

close to the show in that respect. And

00:21:25

then you like it too. Uh, do you and you

00:21:28

eventually start writing. You write you

00:21:30

have you've been brought in as a guest

00:21:31

writer.

00:21:32

>> Well, I I would talk to Adam on the

00:21:34

phone all the time. I think in the early

00:21:36

years he was talking to Hurley who

00:21:38

wasn't on the on the show at that point

00:21:40

and we were all just trying to help load

00:21:42

him up. So, I remember

00:21:45

>> I remember like working on the Denise

00:21:48

show sketch.

00:21:49

>> Yeah, that was a big one

00:21:50

>> with him. And I remember the other one I

00:21:52

kicked around with him was the first uh

00:21:56

cheap Halloween costumes. The crazy

00:21:58

spoon head upate

00:22:00

>> on up.

00:22:02

I was like this that was [ __ ] cool.

00:22:04

>> And that was one of the first times he

00:22:05

really went full Adam where

00:22:06

>> Yeah. That was total connected.

00:22:08

>> Yeah.

00:22:09

>> And and then I one day I sent to Adam,

00:22:11

can I give you a sketch and just hand it

00:22:14

in? Don't touch it. I just want to know

00:22:15

if I if I was good enough.

00:22:17

>> Oh, just like don't touch it. Yeah,

00:22:19

right into the readrough file.

00:22:21

>> I don't remember what the sketch was

00:22:23

about at all, but it was a Dennis Quaid

00:22:25

sketch and it was it went on really

00:22:28

early in the show and they did it was it

00:22:30

was like a a dinner table sketch

00:22:33

argument of some sort and it got on like

00:22:35

in a key place and I think did

00:22:37

reasonably well and I thought, "Okay, I

00:22:39

>> I can do this." But then

00:22:42

>> I never could get the job there. Like I

00:22:44

had the packet and I never got hired.

00:22:48

>> Did you ever have a meeting one-on-one

00:22:49

with Lauren?

00:22:50

>> As close as I got was one day Adam

00:22:52

called me and he said,

00:22:54

>> "Hey."

00:22:54

>> He said, "Uh, you know what? I had your

00:22:56

packet and Dave and and Downey after

00:22:58

months was holding your packet and

00:23:01

talking to me and Schneider

00:23:02

>> and he was asking about me and I was

00:23:04

telling him that he should hire you and

00:23:05

Schneider said, "I don't think he's

00:23:07

ready.

00:23:07

>> Shut the [ __ ] up."

00:23:10

>> Seriously?

00:23:10

>> Yeah.

00:23:10

>> He did.

00:23:11

>> Yeah. And so I was like, "What?

00:23:13

>> They shovel riders in there. What do you

00:23:15

mean? It's a try out."

00:23:17

>> But then I was like thinking about it.

00:23:19

And of course at the time it was very

00:23:21

annoying. And then I thought later

00:23:24

almost every good thing that's happened

00:23:26

in my life is the result of those four

00:23:29

words.

00:23:30

>> What?

00:23:31

>> Like just not getting in there was why I

00:23:34

met Stiller and did the Ben Stiller

00:23:36

show. I I could literally blame

00:23:39

everything in my life to Rob Schneider

00:23:41

saying he's not ready. Meeting my wife,

00:23:44

my children, like none of it would

00:23:45

exist.

00:23:46

>> Interesting if I went in at that time.

00:23:54

>> But later on, Roseanne hosted and I was

00:23:57

writing jokes for her. So, I wrote her

00:23:58

monologue and I guess wrote

00:24:00

>> that week, which is mainly the

00:24:02

monologue. And that was really fun.

00:24:03

That's always weird because it's not

00:24:05

weird, but sometimes they bring guests.

00:24:07

I think Martin Lawrence was the first

00:24:08

one to do when I was there and he

00:24:10

brought some guys and I was like, "Oh,

00:24:12

okay. It's it's almost saying you guys

00:24:14

are bad."

00:24:15

>> Yeah.

00:24:15

>> But it's more just like a trust issue

00:24:17

cuz now I would love to have someone

00:24:19

that wrote well for me around just to

00:24:20

just to be cuz you're so alone

00:24:22

>> and to go is this [ __ ] any good? Cuz you

00:24:24

might think it's good and they go why

00:24:26

would you do that? I go well no one's

00:24:27

around to ask. It's literally 85 people

00:24:30

against you and they're on your team but

00:24:32

you don't know and you're scared and

00:24:34

they might be trying to talk you into

00:24:35

something.

00:24:36

>> It's hard to go back when you when you

00:24:37

were lucky enough to have hit characters

00:24:38

and you know and every time it's like in

00:24:40

the '9s when I would guest house host

00:24:43

you'll do Bush you know you know do

00:24:46

Junior and you know and then it was like

00:24:48

you'll do church lady and it's like 2012

00:24:51

I'm getting close to her age at least.

00:24:54

All my characters are old. I'm still

00:24:56

younger than church lady. News flash

00:24:58

kids.

00:24:58

>> You're aging into

00:24:59

>> Hey, Adam Sandler is listening right

00:25:00

now. How you doing, buddy?

00:25:01

>> He is breaking the fourth wall.

00:25:04

>> He didn't repeat characters when he

00:25:06

hosted,

00:25:07

>> which was pretty I think that is sort of

00:25:10

par for the course of

00:25:11

>> an opera man. Maybe what did he do when

00:25:13

he I think that may be the only

00:25:15

infomercial that crushed he did the

00:25:17

Farley song.

00:25:18

>> The Italian uh the the Italian vacation

00:25:21

sketch.

00:25:22

>> Yeah.

00:25:23

>> Uh was maybe the one.

00:25:24

>> I think my daughter loved that to me. I

00:25:26

I [ __ ]

00:25:27

>> well I I I haven't been able to float

00:25:29

this theory out, but since we're on Adam

00:25:30

for a second, 2019, the year of Sandler,

00:25:33

>> I never seen anyone break show business

00:25:35

that hard

00:25:36

>> because first of all, his special was

00:25:38

kind of supernatural because my favorite

00:25:40

word

00:25:41

>> because of shooting so many times and

00:25:43

being so relaxed and so playful.

00:25:45

>> Then he comes out with um

00:25:48

>> Uncut Gems.

00:25:50

>> Yeah, Uncut Gems. Then he host Saturday

00:25:51

Night Live and he destroys. So those

00:25:53

three kind of broke sh

00:25:54

>> and he won like the indie spirit award.

00:25:56

>> He won award

00:25:57

>> and he gave a speech that if anyone out

00:25:59

there wants to Google something that is

00:26:01

as funny as anything can be. Adam giving

00:26:03

a speech to all the you know snobby

00:26:05

independent film people where they cheer

00:26:08

him like he is their favorite person has

00:26:12

always been and then he attacks them in

00:26:15

the most hysterical way. It was a a

00:26:18

perfect speech. It just sort of was full

00:26:20

circle because back in the day I

00:26:21

remember Sandler just casually would say

00:26:23

to me they hate me Carvey you know the

00:26:25

critics thought he was they didn't get

00:26:27

him and now since it's turned it's kind

00:26:29

of interesting to see a arc of a career

00:26:31

I have two parts

00:26:31

>> back to Jud is a

00:26:33

>> that's all you get Adam

00:26:34

>> Jud is a I I had actually heard you you

00:26:36

were offered head writer at one point

00:26:38

but that maybe that's not true

00:26:39

>> I there was some uh sniffing around

00:26:42

>> some grumblings

00:26:43

>> yes

00:26:43

>> maybe it was was it too late in the game

00:26:46

>> you had too much going on

00:26:47

>> it it Well, at the time I was about to

00:26:50

make a movie and I felt bad about

00:26:54

bailing on the movie. That was one

00:26:56

thing. And then I was also probably

00:27:00

nervous about what I could accomplish at

00:27:02

the show.

00:27:03

>> Yeah.

00:27:03

>> You know, what you know, what can you

00:27:05

really do to the show? Uh because it's

00:27:07

so locked in.

00:27:08

>> It's locked into in how it's made. And I

00:27:11

I wasn't sure I had something that I

00:27:13

could bring to it unless I could really

00:27:16

change it and it shouldn't be changed.

00:27:18

But look what's happened since then. I

00:27:20

mean, it's just gone on and just gotten

00:27:21

better and greater and and it and it did

00:27:24

everything it it should do. And so it

00:27:26

just didn't feel like

00:27:27

>> it it informs me right now just because

00:27:29

I was on it and it's still on in this

00:27:31

huge franchise. You know, I get to ride

00:27:33

that wave. But I I'm just curious. Did

00:27:36

you have wilderness years at all after

00:27:38

Ben Stiller? Do you have a couple years

00:27:39

where you lost your confidence,

00:27:41

nothing's going on, or was it pretty

00:27:42

much then you got with Chandling and

00:27:44

that whole ride or was there times

00:27:47

>> Well, we could talk about your Gary

00:27:48

Chandling experience because I'm really

00:27:49

curious about that and how it informed

00:27:51

you as a filmmaker.

00:27:53

>> The question well I I was bouncing back

00:27:56

and forth

00:27:57

>> to a lot of projects that weren't

00:28:00

necessarily connecting in a mass success

00:28:03

way, but I like them. So I got to make a

00:28:06

movie with Steve Brill uh which still

00:28:09

was in Heavyweights a Disney movie you

00:28:11

know it cost 10 million it made 20 so it

00:28:13

didn't sink my career right

00:28:15

>> and we loved it but you would it wasn't

00:28:18

considered successful in any way and

00:28:20

weirdly now people really like it.

00:28:22

>> Yeah charming and then the Steelers show

00:28:25

we loved it but it got cancelled

00:28:27

>> won the Emmy for best show

00:28:29

>> for Yeah. for writing and so that was

00:28:31

exciting but depressing

00:28:33

>> and then

00:28:35

>> uh I did Sanders for a bunch of years

00:28:39

>> and that was for me like oh I need to

00:28:41

learn how to do this and if I'm here

00:28:43

with Gary I'll I'll learn how to write

00:28:46

and that and that is I I think what

00:28:47

happened is just watching

00:28:48

>> were you with the show when when I came

00:28:50

on because I came Gary asked me to come

00:28:52

on before it had gotten on television

00:28:55

yeah and I was doing the host thing and

00:28:57

>> I so remember that moment

00:28:59

because you did the Smiggle sketch where

00:29:02

you did an impression of Gary and it was

00:29:06

hilarious

00:29:07

but not necessarily something that Gary

00:29:10

would enjoy because there was a lot of

00:29:11

whining. What was the impression?

00:29:13

>> Well, what what the It was hard with

00:29:14

Gary and when he asked me to do it, I

00:29:16

said, "You want me to?" Because he

00:29:17

wanted me to come in and do the

00:29:18

impression to him. He goes, "Oh, yeah. I

00:29:20

love it."

00:29:20

>> I think it's kind of like, you know,

00:29:22

Leno goes like this sometimes. Yeah. But

00:29:24

almost never talks like that. Gary and

00:29:27

every comedian has their hook to signal

00:29:29

the audience

00:29:30

>> that I'm having a great time and this is

00:29:32

really funny. So I noticed that Gary

00:29:33

would talk like this, but then when

00:29:34

something was really funny, he would go

00:29:36

into this pitch and I told my dog that

00:29:39

he shouldn't pee on the carpet like

00:29:41

that. So he wouldn't go to that gear all

00:29:44

the time. Once in a while he just go up

00:29:46

here. It's like he's having a party in

00:29:48

his brain. It was a great move. So I

00:29:50

just did that and I had teeth and it was

00:29:52

grotesque.

00:29:53

>> You had big hair. I had a big

00:29:56

but so anyway.

00:29:57

>> And so Gary I mean was it was really

00:30:00

almost the definition of Gary

00:30:02

>> wanting it to make more fun of him.

00:30:04

>> No that he's offended on some level by

00:30:08

it because it just goes right to the

00:30:09

heart of maybe whatever he might think

00:30:11

is

00:30:12

>> the cliche way of of looking at him or

00:30:15

like he's just too boiled down to

00:30:19

everybody though.

00:30:20

>> Yeah. So he's whiny guy or whatever. So,

00:30:23

I mean, he's not he's not mad about it,

00:30:24

but he's like not loving it. And then

00:30:27

you call him at some point and say,

00:30:30

"Hey, I didn't write that. Smiggle wrote

00:30:32

it. I hope you don't feel bad." And then

00:30:34

Gary's response was,

00:30:36

>> "Well, let's just do an episode about

00:30:37

it."

00:30:38

>> And then he had the writers write the

00:30:41

episode where you guest host and you

00:30:45

keep doing an impression of him on the

00:30:46

show and how annoyed he is at you. And

00:30:49

that was like the meta version of Gary,

00:30:51

you know? He he has his girlfriend at

00:30:53

the time, Linda. Yes.

00:30:54

>> Do an episode where she's in Playboy

00:30:57

magazine. Suddenly, we're shooting with

00:30:59

U Hefner. And then on the set, U Hefner

00:31:01

asks Linda to be in Playboy magazine.

00:31:04

And now Gary in real life has to deal

00:31:05

with the fact that his girlfriend is

00:31:07

going to be naked in Playboy magazine.

00:31:09

And then the next thing you know, we're

00:31:11

all at at the Playboy mansion at a

00:31:14

cocktail party where they have big

00:31:16

pictures of her naked,

00:31:18

>> right? Oh, look at Oh, wow. in the

00:31:20

middle and Gary's got to be there

00:31:24

>> suffer through it and that's what would

00:31:25

keep happening with every person. Do you

00:31:27

remember the Hervey Villichz was on that

00:31:29

episode? The deep plane deep plane, you

00:31:32

know, and he didn't know it was a fake

00:31:33

talk show cuz it hadn't aired yet. But

00:31:35

anyway, that was funny.

00:31:37

>> Here's the thing that I find very very

00:31:38

interesting. First time like I've been

00:31:40

really bad in the two movies that I did.

00:31:42

Um cuz 125 takes, 300 rehearsals, you

00:31:45

know,

00:31:46

>> and it'll come to the way you do films,

00:31:47

but Gary, we get on the set there, it

00:31:50

was pre-digital, so there's three guys

00:31:51

with 16 millimeter. So they're covering

00:31:54

me, covering Gary, covering the twoot.

00:31:56

And Gary's going, I'll say this, you say

00:31:58

something like that. Never experienced

00:32:00

anything like that. So when I watch it,

00:32:01

I go, wow, I'm actually looks like I'm

00:32:03

really acting. Yeah. So that was also a

00:32:05

genius part. I mean, he spawned a world,

00:32:07

an industry.

00:32:08

>> Well, because you have to be very loose.

00:32:11

>> He liked going deep emotionally. It's a

00:32:13

little bit cringe comedy, which I think

00:32:14

people picked up on.

00:32:15

>> Curb is a little bit like Ricky Ju, you

00:32:18

know. And so, you know, when you got

00:32:21

what was the first film that you

00:32:22

directed? I directed uh The 40-year-old

00:32:25

Virgin was the first one and we would do

00:32:27

table reads uh to try to crack it and

00:32:30

Gary

00:32:31

>> would always come. He was so nice and he

00:32:33

would he would pitch the fix. So I said

00:32:35

to Gary, "What do I do about

00:32:37

masturbation?"

00:32:39

Because wouldn't he just masturbate all

00:32:41

the time,

00:32:42

>> right? He's a virgin. He's 40.

00:32:43

>> And so we're in a room with like Adam

00:32:45

McKay and all these great writers and

00:32:46

Seth and we're trying to go what would

00:32:48

he do and how do you not talk about

00:32:50

that?

00:32:51

>> And how do you keep it Steve Carelli?

00:32:52

So, it's not cringey with him because of

00:32:54

his likability.

00:32:55

>> And then Gary just goes, "Maybe we just

00:32:57

see his preparations for masturbating."

00:33:01

And then Gary pitches out, he puts on

00:33:03

his favorite bathrobe, he takes a

00:33:05

shower, he puts out his tissues and his

00:33:07

creams. And and and then we put on like

00:33:09

Lionel Richie Hello underneath it. And

00:33:12

uh and that was the scene. And and Gary

00:33:15

would do that all the time. He he he

00:33:17

would tell you

00:33:19

>> the great joke and the emotion, you

00:33:21

know, because he did say to me once, I

00:33:22

think the show I think that that movie

00:33:24

is about people

00:33:25

>> who love each other. It's about love and

00:33:27

it's about when your friends are just

00:33:28

trying to get laid, but you're looking

00:33:30

for love.

00:33:31

>> Yeah. And that was his genius.

00:33:33

>> Yes. Absolutely.

00:33:34

>> To balance paos and comedy.

00:33:35

>> Yeah.

00:33:36

>> Like other geniuses. Chaplain. So when

00:33:38

when you uh I I just hear things about

00:33:41

the way you direct and I don't know if

00:33:42

you did on that one, but you kind of

00:33:44

>> you're running a lot because you're on

00:33:45

digital. So, you're running long, long

00:33:48

takes, which you couldn't do with 30,

00:33:49

not back then.

00:33:50

>> Not back then, but I don't know when you

00:33:51

started that. And you're kind of like

00:33:53

tilting people out of their preconceived

00:33:56

choices by sort of yelling out things.

00:33:58

Do it like this, do it like that. When

00:33:59

did that start? Because that seems great

00:34:00

for comedians who can improvise.

00:34:02

>> Well, it started with Stiller at the Ben

00:34:04

Stiller Show.

00:34:04

>> Oh, you were doing it then? Yeah,

00:34:06

because Ben, you know, a lot of times

00:34:08

we'd just be shooting a single of Ben

00:34:09

doing like a Tony Robbins impression

00:34:12

>> and we would have a script, but then Ben

00:34:14

would just talk for like another 20

00:34:15

minutes off the top of his head

00:34:16

>> and you just run it on film.

00:34:18

>> And we would just run it on film and and

00:34:20

then sometimes Ben would play this agent

00:34:23

character and he would be pitching bad

00:34:25

career advice to people like Run DMC or

00:34:29

something like that, but he would get

00:34:30

afraid to say it to their face. So he

00:34:32

would do a soft version and then he

00:34:34

would tell them they were rap for the

00:34:35

day and then he would redo his single

00:34:37

with harsher jokes

00:34:39

>> and and then we would just riff and play

00:34:41

what else we could do.

00:34:42

>> And then when we started doing movies we

00:34:45

we thought oh you could do that in a

00:34:48

scene you could do that in the middle of

00:34:49

a scene even for emotional stuff not

00:34:51

just jokes you and we did that with

00:34:54

David on love where we just kept it

00:34:56

loose and it's not always punchline

00:34:59

driven. Well, I would say that for

00:35:00

anybody when you're discovering it, like

00:35:02

sometimes when you think of a stand-up

00:35:03

bit, the best you do it is the first

00:35:05

time you do it and then you try to get

00:35:07

back to that. Exactly.

00:35:08

>> But when you're discovering something,

00:35:09

the camera is rolling and you're doing

00:35:11

it for the first time, it just a lot of

00:35:13

times gets a lot of pop. I think that's

00:35:14

what Brando was always trying to do by

00:35:17

hiding notes and oranges on the ceiling

00:35:19

so he just would experience it. So

00:35:22

that's all I got, David.

00:35:23

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of the best

00:35:24

philosophy

00:35:25

>> some of the best stuff I've seen just as

00:35:26

a viewer on set is like Will Ferrell on

00:35:31

set just doing a run of alternate lines.

00:35:34

>> Yeah. I was going to ask you that about

00:35:36

someone who and probably Will Ferrell

00:35:38

would be one of them where you're sort

00:35:40

of watching greatness in a sense.

00:35:42

>> Yeah.

00:35:43

>> You know, and I I was envious that he

00:35:45

would get these long takes to do to show

00:35:47

that, you know, it seems like so much

00:35:49

fun. I mean, the one I was thinking

00:35:50

about, one was milk was a bad choice.

00:35:53

>> You know, I'm in a glass case of emotion

00:35:55

in Anchor Man. That scene is just him

00:35:58

and Adam for maybe it's just 15 minutes.

00:36:02

They know they need one line

00:36:04

>> and they're go they get to go 15 minutes

00:36:06

to get that one magic moment

00:36:07

>> just going crazy. Adam's yelling out

00:36:10

stuff. Will's improvising. They've

00:36:11

written a bunch of stuff beforehand.

00:36:13

There was one where I think it was that

00:36:16

Rudd punches Will in the face in

00:36:18

Anchorman 2

00:36:20

>> and they just wanted to get funny

00:36:21

reactions from Ron Bernie getting

00:36:23

punched in the face and Adam yells out

00:36:27

>> after he hits you. He hit you so hard

00:36:29

you speak in foreign language after he

00:36:31

hits you, you know, and then it turned

00:36:33

into after he hits you, he hit you so

00:36:35

hard you're now five years old.

00:36:38

>> And Will would just go on run after run.

00:36:41

One of that movie pops to see that, you

00:36:44

know, at the end as many of those.

00:36:46

There's never too many for me. Uh, just

00:36:48

to show that. And I always try to get

00:36:50

Adam to do out takes cuz, you know, like

00:36:52

on Grown-Ups, it's all funny people.

00:36:53

Like, come on. We're all [ __ ] around

00:36:55

the whole time. I'm sure there's

00:36:56

something in there funny. There better

00:36:58

be.

00:36:58

>> Yes.

00:36:59

>> Just And you know, cuz we do the same

00:37:01

thing. It's like, what are we doing in

00:37:02

this thing? And we would even huddle up

00:37:04

in between and takes

00:37:06

>> and and I'm a hoarder so like I actually

00:37:08

feel bad if I don't find a way to get

00:37:10

those alternate jokes out

00:37:12

>> somewhere on the I mean it used to be on

00:37:14

the Blu-ray and the we would do we used

00:37:17

to call them loroamas and just make

00:37:19

fiveinut reels of the alternate stuff

00:37:22

because if I'm like I when I worked with

00:37:24

Adam on Funny People if if he's riffing

00:37:26

I actually think it's gold and the fact

00:37:29

that it would just go in the toilet I

00:37:31

find unbearable. I agree. We may have

00:37:34

lost minutes from our wraparounds,

00:37:36

right, Craig? Not to compare. You're

00:37:38

feature filmed.

00:37:43

>> This is just a basic questions I'd ask

00:37:45

someone to do. What people

00:37:47

>> uh the film that you were producer

00:37:49

directed, you had a vision of it that

00:37:51

would most realized it.

00:37:54

Um, I mean

00:37:57

I I Yeah, I mean I do think that I did

00:38:01

in the King of Staten Island uh I mean

00:38:03

there's Pete Davidson

00:38:04

>> with Pete that I I do think like

00:38:07

>> for what what was difficult about it?

00:38:09

>> Yes.

00:38:10

>> You know, can you tell a a fictional

00:38:13

version of his story and what he's been

00:38:14

through

00:38:16

>> and make it funny but make you really

00:38:18

feel it? uh like that tone for me which

00:38:21

maybe is a little more of a Hal Ashby

00:38:23

tone which I'm always trying to figure

00:38:25

out.

00:38:26

>> The fact that that movie works I'm

00:38:28

really proud of because it's it's

00:38:29

balancing like grief and pain but still

00:38:32

trying to figure out how to make people

00:38:33

like Pete and Bill

00:38:35

>> Ashby movie do you reference in your

00:38:37

mind?

00:38:37

>> I always think about the last detail

00:38:40

>> because

00:38:40

>> this ain't no hor's [ __ ]

00:38:43

>> Yeah, exactly.

00:38:44

>> Which seen the movie? I am the goddamn

00:38:46

>> I am the we that that's a reference with

00:38:48

my friends and with my sons. We are the

00:38:50

[ __ ] shore patrol [ __ ]

00:38:53

>> Yeah. I mean that energy.

00:38:54

>> Yeah.

00:38:55

>> Where like that's a pretty long shot

00:38:56

with no edits and it just the whole

00:38:58

movie feels so real. It feels like a

00:39:00

documentary and I'm always trying to

00:39:02

figure out can you do that with hard

00:39:04

comedy and have that aliveness.

00:39:06

>> Interesting. Yeah. Good. Coming home.

00:39:09

Did he do that too or he did? Coming

00:39:10

home. Coming home is crazy

00:39:11

>> and amazing stuff in Coming Home where

00:39:13

they're at meetings with veterans

00:39:16

talking about their problems and he did

00:39:17

a lot of it with real people and

00:39:19

improvised it and and it it's some of it

00:39:21

is remarkable and very moving. So I

00:39:24

always think about him and I think about

00:39:25

Paul Riser in in Diner

00:39:28

>> because he made up most of his stuff and

00:39:30

they threw him into it

00:39:32

>> and he created a character. It's so good

00:39:35

when you don't know for sure what you're

00:39:38

going to say or they say you know I get

00:39:40

on some of these things. Even in sitcoms

00:39:42

they go uh

00:39:44

>> uh all right let's do another one and

00:39:46

just spade this time dealer's choice

00:39:48

whatever you want

00:39:49

>> and then and you have

00:39:50

>> 5 seconds while they walk back to the

00:39:52

camera and say rolling and then you go

00:39:54

uh and then you just try something but

00:39:56

it's like a movies too just do one let's

00:39:58

do one for you.

00:39:59

>> Yeah.

00:39:59

>> And then sometimes they will keep

00:40:02

rolling. Maybe you do that and sometimes

00:40:04

they do them one at a time. Uh I don't

00:40:07

mind keep rolling and and sometimes

00:40:08

there's a guy there like there's some

00:40:10

some movies usually on Adams we have

00:40:13

>> Schwarzen or Steve corn or someone that

00:40:15

sits by Video Village. It's a tough job.

00:40:18

It's grueling.

00:40:19

>> Yeah. To just to be pitching to pinch

00:40:21

extra jokes. I did that with Paul Appel

00:40:24

on a bunch of movies. I mean from

00:40:25

Saturday Night Live. She's remarkable at

00:40:28

the onset.

00:40:28

>> And you get some wish to have her on

00:40:30

this podcast. We hear her name for sure.

00:40:32

Yeah,

00:40:32

>> she gets uh Speaking of SNL, I What

00:40:35

would be your dream team?

00:40:37

>> This is a [ __ ] tough question,

00:40:39

>> you know? I I think

00:40:41

>> I' I'd like to think of the uh what

00:40:43

might have been team,

00:40:46

>> you know, like like people that didn't

00:40:49

get to full fruition in that space, you

00:40:52

know, the Gilbert Godfrieded,

00:40:55

uh Robert Downey Jr.,

00:40:58

Um right uh

00:41:00

>> Robert Downey was almost a blessing in

00:41:01

disguise that he left. Same kind of

00:41:02

thing with you and Shine.

00:41:03

>> He was 84 or five year.

00:41:07

>> One year.

00:41:07

>> Yeah.

00:41:08

>> Um you know who else was really funny? I

00:41:10

mean Terry Sweeney was so funny

00:41:13

>> on on the show. Michaela Watkins, you

00:41:15

know, people that were there for a year

00:41:17

like Kekner,

00:41:18

>> you know, Jenny Slate who were who are

00:41:21

so good and uh I mean Stiller was there

00:41:24

for like four episodes. Bob Odenkirk was

00:41:28

there for a few seasons but never really

00:41:30

could get on as a performer. So I I

00:41:33

always think about people who are

00:41:34

amazing that

00:41:36

>> put together an A team kickass SNL

00:41:39

>> Conan and Bob were writers with us and

00:41:41

um they were feature players.

00:41:43

>> They're writer feature players and I

00:41:45

didn't even know it for probably two

00:41:46

years because

00:41:48

>> they did I was told

00:41:51

you know don't you know like Shoemaker

00:41:53

or Marcy or someone says don't write

00:41:55

yourself in right away. you know, you

00:41:56

were here for a job and I was like lucky

00:41:58

to be there, but didn't, like you were

00:42:01

saying earlier, writing for other

00:42:02

people. Not that I didn't want to

00:42:03

really, I just don't didn't know how to.

00:42:05

I only barely knew how to write for my

00:42:06

own persona,

00:42:08

>> whatever that was. And so, I'm trying to

00:42:10

think for Dana or think for, you know,

00:42:12

whoever else. So, that was hard. And

00:42:14

then you get um

00:42:16

>> I don't even know what I'm talking

00:42:17

about.

00:42:18

I just forgot in the middle. That's all

00:42:20

right. That's okay. I'll cover for you.

00:42:22

So, Conan

00:42:23

>> Oh, yeah. But those guys should have

00:42:25

been on

00:42:26

>> and they were and then when I heard

00:42:27

their feature play I go you're not on

00:42:29

and they would once in a blue moon write

00:42:31

something and it wouldn't get on or just

00:42:33

give themselves three lines and I was

00:42:34

like wow this they're just getting shut

00:42:36

out. So

00:42:37

>> but what do you think the difference

00:42:38

was? Because certainly I know that when

00:42:41

you and Rob and Dave uh I mean you and

00:42:45

Rob and Sandler uh got there you were

00:42:48

intent on getting on. It wasn't like

00:42:50

well maybe I'll be a writer and

00:42:52

hopefully I get on. I mean there was

00:42:53

real energy like I am here to become a

00:42:56

star show.

00:42:57

>> Yeah, Adam for sure from day from day

00:42:59

one he had such confidence.

00:43:00

>> I was more embarrassed to do it and they

00:43:02

were doing it. Rob was doing it a lot

00:43:04

and I was like it's all that is it fair

00:43:07

and then he got copy machine on which

00:43:08

wasn't even I was getting them saying

00:43:11

don't do an update piece this week. Oh

00:43:13

you know you're here to write for people

00:43:14

put that person as instead of you. And

00:43:16

I'm like all right I don't want to get

00:43:17

fired. And Schneider just had balls. So

00:43:19

did Adam. He puts [ __ ] in, put [ __ ] in,

00:43:21

and warmed down.

00:43:23

>> I remember going to Schneider to Jerry's

00:43:24

Delhi after the copy machine hit and he

00:43:28

was as big a star as there is. I mean,

00:43:31

it it was justational

00:43:33

moment and it was hilarious. I mean, I

00:43:35

also love the uh

00:43:36

>> making you put your you put your weed.

00:43:39

>> Oh, that was a big one, too. Put your

00:43:40

weed in there.

00:43:41

>> Put your weed in there. And so, like

00:43:42

Schneider was the first one who really

00:43:44

broke on the show. What was the sketch

00:43:47

that broke you that where you thought

00:43:48

>> I haven't broken yet.

00:43:50

>> Um, a little thing I like to call

00:43:52

Hollywood. Was it the receptionist?

00:43:53

>> It was either that one or bye-bye.

00:43:57

>> Bye-bye.

00:43:57

>> Bye-bye was more overnight where I flew

00:43:59

the next day

00:44:00

>> and I heard it

00:44:02

>> every day for at least 10 years. Like

00:44:04

every flight for sure. Every

00:44:08

Iraqi Pete everywhere.

00:44:11

>> Iraqi Pete was kind of an incredible

00:44:13

swing to have that kind of moment that

00:44:15

didn't work. It was like during the Gulf

00:44:17

War and it was just

00:44:19

>> funny. I think it was Frank

00:44:21

and in Adam's defense, I don't think he

00:44:23

wrote I think it was Frank and going I

00:44:25

ra and we could have some clown like

00:44:27

Sandler come out in a speedo or

00:44:29

something and you know it's like okay I

00:44:32

was one time humiliated because

00:44:34

>> I was not on for probably like 10 shows

00:44:36

and then

00:44:37

>> I just you know people in Arizona are

00:44:39

like you're not even on you're [ __ ]

00:44:41

obviously bombing which is kind of true

00:44:44

and I was like no but I was and then

00:44:48

Uh, one day after I passed out, I was

00:44:50

like walking down the hallway after my

00:44:53

morning.

00:44:55

And then I should have faked it more

00:44:57

during readrough just to get Lauren to

00:44:58

go, "Oh, someone carry him out and give

00:45:00

him a sketch." So, uh, I go, "Sketch?

00:45:04

What do you need a sketch?"

00:45:06

>> You were Were you I don't remember you

00:45:08

being that precarious, but

00:45:09

>> No, I wasn't. But anyway, I'm sort of

00:45:11

repainting.

00:45:12

>> You all toured with me. Sandler toured

00:45:14

with me. You toured with me.

00:45:16

>> Opening for Dana. It was [ __ ] great.

00:45:18

>> John Stewart open for me. Dave

00:45:19

Chappelle,

00:45:20

>> that was a good shows.

00:45:21

>> Uh, yeah,

00:45:22

>> I knew. Yeah, you could tell right away.

00:45:24

>> By the way, Dana had no trouble

00:45:25

following me. I would go on and I would

00:45:27

do pretty bad.

00:45:27

>> I was go in that special in those days.

00:45:29

>> And then he walk

00:45:31

push me in the wall.

00:45:33

>> If we're to be honest, Dana is still way

00:45:36

better than all of you by far.

00:45:40

>> Like, it's not even a question, right?

00:45:41

>> I wonder. Is this going to be recorded?

00:45:43

>> This is the watched it all. I mean, you

00:45:45

guys all kill it, but Dana Dana, it's

00:45:48

it's other it's other level stuff.

00:45:50

Beetles explaining technology.

00:45:53

>> It doesn't get funnier than that.

00:45:54

>> Well, you know, you know the thing thing

00:45:56

about Jud, you know, he's a filmmaker.

00:45:59

You makes a lot of pictures. You go in

00:46:01

the cinema, you know, with the popcorn,

00:46:03

whatever. They look up, everybody's

00:46:04

happy, laugh, laugh, laugh, and then a

00:46:06

little bit of a tear. They want to see

00:46:08

it again a week later. Sorry. I love

00:46:10

being a beetle.

00:46:12

>> Yeah. I would never follow. That's like

00:46:14

if you go, we're going to do this show

00:46:16

and these people are going on a great

00:46:18

>> That was my one move. Once I got there

00:46:20

after failure before and after, but I

00:46:22

have a great blessed life.

00:46:24

>> When I got there after a little bit of

00:46:25

time, I thought, damn, I'm a fish in

00:46:28

water now. I'm like, this this really

00:46:30

fits what I do. The clubs was even tough

00:46:32

sometimes cuz I had no jokes. Yeah.

00:46:34

>> I literally had not one punchline. It

00:46:36

was all rhythms.

00:46:37

>> Before you got to know, but but when I

00:46:39

got there, oh, they want characters,

00:46:40

impressions, and catchphrases. I got

00:46:42

that when you

00:46:43

>> I remember seeing you at Igbies before

00:46:45

you got SNL and uh and that was a great

00:46:48

small club that's now a strip club and I

00:46:50

remember seeing George Carlin

00:46:53

>> perform there. Great. But I I'll tell

00:46:55

you I mean watching you reduce like a

00:46:58

person to what the impression was was

00:47:00

always amazing like what what is your

00:47:01

take on it? But the Biden that you do

00:47:05

when I saw you do Biden on maybe was on

00:47:06

Coobe or something and I thought, "Oh my

00:47:08

god, Dana quietly has a better Biden

00:47:11

than everybody."

00:47:12

>> Come on. Here's a deal. Let's get real.

00:47:14

And guess what? Guess what? We did those

00:47:16

things as America. We're going to do

00:47:18

better. We're going to do better. I like

00:47:20

the yelling Biden now. And then the

00:47:21

whisper. We know how to reduce the

00:47:23

deficits of people. Come on, folks.

00:47:25

Number one, what the guy said. Number

00:47:27

two, the two-part. Number three, you

00:47:29

know the drill.

00:47:30

>> It's not rocket science. Come on. We

00:47:32

could do better. We'll do it. Come out.

00:47:34

>> What about

00:47:34

>> He's I'm still learning him.

00:47:36

>> What about when Camala Harris was in

00:47:38

this I just saw a clip of her and she

00:47:40

starts she always has a nervous laugh.

00:47:41

She's like the Joker. She's like they're

00:47:44

like they're bombing Ukraine. She's like

00:47:47

she's like you wouldn't get it.

00:47:48

>> Well,

00:47:50

I just wonder what it' be like to be

00:47:52

married to her cuz she's she's very

00:47:54

attractive and she's so cheerful. Be

00:47:56

like, "Hey, Camala,

00:47:59

>> we're going to have breakfast.

00:48:01

I mean, it seems like a really nice

00:48:02

watch.

00:48:03

>> Nervous laughing is troubling.

00:48:06

>> It's troubling. It's

00:48:08

>> It is a deeply troubling thing.

00:48:10

>> Oh, wait. Let me go. I'm skimm down

00:48:12

here. Come on. Shh. Everybody shut up.

00:48:14

>> Let's get some questions.

00:48:15

>> This one's funny. 2007 Entertainment

00:48:17

Weekly did the smartest people in

00:48:19

Hollywood. And guess what? Jud got

00:48:21

number one. What the [ __ ]

00:48:23

>> Who was number two? I think I beat Will

00:48:25

Smith that year.

00:48:25

>> I'm sure you beat Well, you beat

00:48:27

everybody, but you beat everyone in

00:48:29

Hollywood. This is unbelievable.

00:48:30

>> You're going really deep in research

00:48:32

that because that's the kind of thing

00:48:33

that happens and you go, "God, I wish

00:48:34

people talked about it more." Like, no

00:48:37

one talks about that in 2007.

00:48:38

>> Well, it seems like you're like, we had

00:48:40

it with Ben Stiller, too, where we

00:48:42

looked at his IMB and it's like Ben,

00:48:43

you're kind of like, whoa. And you have

00:48:45

kind of the same thing like, oh, he's

00:48:46

there, he's producing, he's directing.

00:48:48

It's like the resume is so big.

00:48:49

>> I had to take a nap after I read it.

00:48:51

>> I have a question. Just point.

00:48:53

>> No, I have a question not about Jud.

00:48:55

This will be great.

00:48:55

>> Okay. Jud, your daughter Ma, who you

00:48:58

might not know this, she's on a show

00:49:00

called Euphoria.

00:49:00

>> Yes, I've seen I've seen a few

00:49:03

>> is a Showtime or

00:49:06

>> uh HB.

00:49:07

>> Every time I watch it, I think I know

00:49:08

Spades watching it around.

00:49:10

>> I am I watch one and I was

00:49:12

>> horrified, Jud.

00:49:14

>> I haven't seen that many naked wieners

00:49:17

since my fraternity hazing.

00:49:19

>> I was watching it and I was like, what?

00:49:21

This is what they're watching. What

00:49:23

happened to Leverne and Shirley? And

00:49:25

where is the simpler time? I think it's

00:49:27

all chang but first of all huge deal

00:49:30

that mod I saw her on that and I saw um

00:49:34

>> Iris was in the bubble

00:49:36

>> and Iris was in the bubble which comes

00:49:38

out April 1st on

00:49:40

>> bubble. Yeah,

00:49:42

>> the bubble is uh my attempt to do

00:49:46

something during

00:49:47

>> the pandemic.

00:49:48

>> So what point of the pandemic did it hit

00:49:50

you and when did you start shooting it?

00:49:52

because the pandemic

00:49:53

>> you would even be allowed to shoot it.

00:49:54

>> Well, now I look back and I think it's

00:49:58

almost like

00:50:00

a nervous breakdown to want to make

00:50:03

something during it because the the

00:50:05

pandemic started in March.

00:50:07

>> Yeah.

00:50:07

>> And by a year from there, I was almost

00:50:10

done filming the movie.

00:50:12

>> And so you had

00:50:12

>> you got it going that fast.

00:50:14

>> Yeah. It was a very I think maybe I had

00:50:17

a manic episode.

00:50:18

>> Were you leading with the protocols

00:50:20

then? You had green light for film sets

00:50:22

and actual bubbles.

00:50:23

>> Yeah, you were you were inventing it as

00:50:25

you went along in a way, right?

00:50:26

>> We were making a movie about making a

00:50:29

movie in the bubble while making fun of

00:50:32

the protocols, but also doing the

00:50:34

protocols

00:50:35

>> and making fun of the need to make a

00:50:39

movie due to your ego or your madness.

00:50:42

Like that no one needs a movie. There's

00:50:43

something more important happening. And

00:50:45

who are mocking people who feel it's

00:50:47

necessary while actually doing it. The

00:50:49

whole thing is very hypocritical.

00:50:51

>> Can we make sure we edit that out and

00:50:53

put it on Instagram because that's the

00:50:55

most meta that's like hyper meta.

00:50:57

>> Like we have a fake uh co supervisor in

00:51:01

the movie who gives terrible advice

00:51:02

>> and then does he's a real co adviser.

00:51:04

>> I mean the real co adviser is giving the

00:51:06

same speech 5 minutes before the fake

00:51:08

one is shot for the movie. You say,

00:51:10

"Look at this clown that we're making

00:51:12

fun of." And then you go, "Well, let's

00:51:13

bring out the real guy who's exactly the

00:51:15

same."

00:51:15

>> And we're all wearing masks. And then

00:51:16

the actors are like chewing their masks

00:51:18

in the scene and not wearing them on

00:51:20

their ears. And we're making fun of how

00:51:21

no one's wearing the mask. And so the

00:51:24

whole experience was strange that way.

00:51:26

But it started because I was really

00:51:29

getting stir crazy and I was walking on

00:51:31

the beach lot with my friend uh Brent

00:51:33

Forester who wrote for The Simpsons in

00:51:35

The Office. And one day we were like, we

00:51:37

should just think of stuff. Like we're

00:51:38

walking for hours every day.

00:51:41

>> Wasted thinking and walking.

00:51:42

>> Yeah. So we started talking about the

00:51:44

NBA bubble and that started making us

00:51:47

laugh like all those guys are stuck in

00:51:48

that hotel. What is that like in that

00:51:50

hotel?

00:51:52

>> And then then I thought, oh, this is

00:51:54

almost like a Christopher Guest movie.

00:51:56

>> Yes. you know, where all the actors are

00:51:59

stuck in a hotel

00:52:01

>> trying to make a movie and having a

00:52:03

nervous breakdown and then they're

00:52:05

making a flying dinosaur action movie

00:52:08

and they think it's important they're

00:52:09

not tuned into what's happening and

00:52:11

they're having nervous breakdowns and

00:52:12

having sex with each other and doing

00:52:13

drugs and

00:52:14

>> how was it received when you who'd you

00:52:16

pitch it to and how did they receive it?

00:52:18

especially all the CGI and all all the

00:52:20

big stuff. And

00:52:21

>> I mean, I told Netflix and

00:52:24

>> Ted Sandos, our best friend,

00:52:25

>> I told I told Scott Stewart uh and he

00:52:29

certainly got the joke and said, "Let's

00:52:31

go do it." And I said, "I I'll write a

00:52:33

script, but I'll I'll need to be

00:52:35

rewriting all through it because it

00:52:37

happened very fast." And I hired people

00:52:39

that I thought could change on their

00:52:41

feet.

00:52:41

>> You had uh

00:52:43

>> who's the young lady that was in uh

00:52:44

Sasha's last movie? Maria Baklova is in

00:52:47

it and Karen Gillan and Keegan. Michael

00:52:49

Key and Leslie and Iris and Arman is in

00:52:52

Kon.

00:52:54

>> She's good.

00:52:55

>> She's incredible.

00:52:56

>> Was funny. She's really great.

00:52:59

>> Yeah. She plays the head of the studio.

00:53:00

So every time she checks in to see how

00:53:01

it's going, she's on safari or she's

00:53:04

skiing and she's just around the world.

00:53:05

>> She's one of the rich people that like

00:53:06

sort of is skipping the whole

00:53:08

quarantine.

00:53:09

>> Exactly. And so um

00:53:10

>> but we didn't have any cases the entire

00:53:12

shoot.

00:53:13

>> Interesting.

00:53:15

We just,

00:53:16

>> you know, because it was only two sets.

00:53:18

It was a green screen sound stage and

00:53:20

the hotel.

00:53:21

>> When did the vax come in, by the way?

00:53:23

When during the filming or when did the

00:53:24

vaccine emerge? Were you already filming

00:53:26

or did you have two shots and a booster?

00:53:28

>> I never got vacc because I was in

00:53:30

England and I couldn't get it in

00:53:32

England. But around February in the

00:53:34

middle of the shoot, you people would

00:53:36

walk up to you and say, "I got a call

00:53:38

that I can get a vaccination at 10

00:53:40

tomorrow, so I'm not coming in."

00:53:41

>> And that's how it works in England. You

00:53:43

have an appointment and you just go. It

00:53:44

could be like that. You know, the

00:53:45

cinematographer is like, "Yeah, I'm not

00:53:47

here tomorrow."

00:53:48

>> And then slowly the crew

00:53:49

>> and then I'm going to feel like [ __ ] for

00:53:50

a while.

00:53:51

>> Brits are like that.

00:53:52

>> I'm not going to get the I'll get the

00:53:54

job tomorrow for the best. I'll just do

00:53:56

it. As long as you guys

00:53:59

as long as he smiles.

00:54:01

>> He's given us so much joy.

00:54:02

>> Is Lennon different than Paul?

00:54:04

>> Lennon is very very cryptic down here.

00:54:06

How is it Paul? Who's great? You know,

00:54:08

we're having a good time down here. How

00:54:10

are you? I don't know. you know, just

00:54:11

looking around, whatever. I don't want

00:54:13

to do anymore.

00:54:13

>> I like that. You don't mind one where he

00:54:15

talks to Paul.

00:54:16

>> How would Paul explain uh Tik Tok to

00:54:19

John?

00:54:20

>> It's very short little clippy things,

00:54:22

you know, where people put something on

00:54:24

funny and they dance around. Takes about

00:54:26

10 seconds. And if you do it, you're a

00:54:28

star all over the world. We did Abby

00:54:30

Road. We did the White Oak. That's

00:54:32

what's going on. But, you know, it's

00:54:34

like Kanye West. Who's that? He's sort

00:54:36

of a talkie singer. He's a bit maybe

00:54:38

crazy. I don't know.

00:54:40

Who was who was he? Did he have a woman?

00:54:43

He had a woman named Kim Kardashian for

00:54:45

a while. What did she do?

00:54:48

>> Oh, you know, she take pictures of her

00:54:49

bottom. You know,

00:54:51

>> how did she take pictures of her bottom?

00:54:53

Well, with a little a little, you know,

00:54:54

have a little television camera in your

00:54:56

pocket called an iPhone. When she

00:54:58

happened to go working, she took a

00:54:59

bottom out and she take a picture of it

00:55:01

doing the whole bit.

00:55:03

What's so special about her bottom? It's

00:55:05

it's it's not a normal bottom. It's a

00:55:07

bottom 2.0. It's like God made a fanny

00:55:10

and attached a person is an aptathon.

00:55:12

The whole family's doing the old show in

00:55:14

the Baltams taking pictures. One man got

00:55:16

so frustrated he became a woman. Boom.

00:55:20

>> That's all I got. We don't have to keep

00:55:22

it in here, but I like to entertain the

00:55:23

entertainer.

00:55:24

>> I'm here just for that. One of the great

00:55:27

things I watched in the last few years

00:55:29

pre- pandemic was you uh and Bill her

00:55:32

and Melany at Largo doing an unproduced

00:55:37

sketch

00:55:38

>> which was uh Casey Kasem and his son who

00:55:41

don't get along. What was the premise of

00:55:43

it?

00:55:43

>> Yeah. They don't get along as a

00:55:44

narrative.

00:55:46

>> We all did it first.

00:55:47

>> Yeah.

00:55:47

>> Yes. And it completely bombed on

00:55:49

Saturday Night Live. like dead silence

00:55:52

and then we just got revenge at Largo by

00:55:54

doing the exact same. Son, you're a

00:55:56

waste of space. You don't really do much

00:55:59

with your life at all, do you? Dad, I

00:56:01

know you're right about that. You know,

00:56:02

it's that kind of thing back and forth

00:56:05

laid there at SNL killed in front of 300

00:56:08

people.

00:56:09

>> But I remember that dinner and I

00:56:10

remember that we were the check came and

00:56:12

we were looking around.

00:56:13

>> Who took it?

00:56:14

>> We checked celebrity net worth and

00:56:16

>> Did you

00:56:17

>> Did I pay or did it pay? I you paid but

00:56:20

I almost always so I I was I was kind of

00:56:23

>> I have a picture of us from that night.

00:56:24

Let's look at the clip.

00:56:26

>> Yeah,

00:56:26

>> let's put that on Instagram.

00:56:29

>> I maybe it was it should have been. It

00:56:30

was a pretty solid Thursday.

00:56:32

>> This might be kind of awkward, but I'd

00:56:33

like to do another long McCartney.

00:56:34

>> Yeah, go ahead.

00:56:35

>> All right.

00:56:37

>> I'd like to do the last 15 minutes of my

00:56:39

special. The uh the other thing I did

00:56:41

want to mention because uh I do have to

00:56:43

promote something is I I put out this

00:56:45

book for charity. I had the first book,

00:56:48

Sick in the Head, and the money goes to

00:56:50

8.26, which is a

00:56:52

>> a charity that gives free tutoring to

00:56:54

kids. Like kids could just walk in this

00:56:55

place and they get free tutors.

00:56:57

>> Free books to kids.

00:56:58

>> We pay a lot of money for that.

00:56:59

>> Tutor is a tutor. And when when I was

00:57:02

doing SNL, she would tutor kids

00:57:03

downtown,

00:57:05

>> underprivileged kids, my wife Paula.

00:57:06

>> Yeah. And that's how in the hell do you

00:57:08

know how to teach someone English? Cuz

00:57:10

she went to a good Catholic school. I

00:57:12

mean, could you teach English to a kid,

00:57:14

a 5-year-old, a three-year-old? I mean,

00:57:16

>> build the grammar and know what a

00:57:17

dangling participle is.

00:57:18

>> I barely got my kids through through

00:57:20

anything schoolwise. Uh, and there were

00:57:23

many, many tutors involved. So, this

00:57:25

book pays for these centers. We give all

00:57:27

the money away. And so, the new book,

00:57:29

Sicker in the Head,

00:57:30

>> Yes.

00:57:31

>> has like, uh, you know, Sasha Baron

00:57:32

Cohen and Nathan Fielder and Whoopi

00:57:35

Goldberg and Letterman. And

00:57:36

>> so, what's the general narrative of it?

00:57:38

>> The narrative of is that during the

00:57:39

pandemic, I realized that everyone was

00:57:41

home and available to do this. So all

00:57:44

these people that I thought wouldn't

00:57:45

normally do an interview with me had no

00:57:47

excuse to say no cuz I knew they were

00:57:49

home.

00:57:49

>> That's the thinking.

00:57:50

>> And so I called, you know, Lyn Manuel

00:57:52

Miranda and Letterman and people like

00:57:54

that that might normally be too busy and

00:57:56

>> and they have no excuse.

00:57:57

>> Yeah. And also it was kind of an

00:57:58

emotional interview because everyone was

00:58:00

really thinking about their lives at the

00:58:02

time. So the

00:58:03

>> be more vulnerable.

00:58:08

>> Could I make an observation? Yeah.

00:58:10

During the pandemic, uh, I did the

00:58:11

sourdough, I did the puzzles, I did

00:58:13

Scrabble, watched a lot of movies.

00:58:15

>> Yeah.

00:58:15

>> You made a movie and wrote a book.

00:58:17

>> Yes.

00:58:18

>> Should I see? Should I talk to a

00:58:20

therapist? I mean, I did. I think I had

00:58:22

two years to do something.

00:58:23

>> Yeah. I realized that the because I'm

00:58:25

promoting the book, the movie, and then

00:58:28

in May, me and my friend Michael vonfigo

00:58:30

made a two-part George Carlin

00:58:32

documentary for so I thought maybe I had

00:58:35

a nervous breakdown for two straight

00:58:37

years

00:58:38

>> in one and work was the way to deal with

00:58:40

it,

00:58:40

>> I guess, because at the time it didn't

00:58:41

feel like I was working that much, but

00:58:44

probably.

00:58:45

>> But you were busy. You seem to be always

00:58:47

shooting. Yeah. and and to stop in your

00:58:49

tracks on a dime. Like one day we were

00:58:51

working that show Lights Out and they go

00:58:53

just go in for the weekend and we're

00:58:54

going to have a no audience on Monday,

00:58:57

which we thought was weird. And then it

00:58:59

even that fast by Monday.

00:59:00

>> Yeah.

00:59:01

>> Don't come back in.

00:59:02

>> You know, we have a twoe lockdown and

00:59:04

we're in the third year of our twoe

00:59:05

lockdown. So,

00:59:06

>> and I used to listen to all of your

00:59:08

interviews with the cast of Tiger King.

00:59:10

>> Oh, yeah. That's right.

00:59:10

>> Cuz you you got everybody.

00:59:12

>> I know. It was so weird.

00:59:13

>> And you got that reporter who had all

00:59:15

his tapes burned. That was an incredible

00:59:17

interview with that guy. He he was like,

00:59:19

"This stuff actually isn't funny.

00:59:21

They're really just

00:59:22

>> torturing and killing all these animals

00:59:24

and he he was the only one who really

00:59:26

told the truth."

00:59:26

>> Dana, you don't even know. I did a deep

00:59:28

dive. I was the wolf blitz.

00:59:29

>> I remember the tiger interviews.

00:59:31

>> It was just sort of

00:59:32

>> Pentagon papers.

00:59:33

>> I just hit him up on Instagram. Some of

00:59:34

these people we just found him and said,

00:59:35

"Do you want to do it?" And they go, "It

00:59:37

was mostly because of Joe Dirt."

00:59:38

>> Yeah. Oh, because you

00:59:40

>> they all like Joe Dirt. Yeah. So they

00:59:41

go, "Oh, I'm one I'm one of them and I'm

00:59:45

not going to go after him." And I didn't

00:59:46

really I let them tell their story.

00:59:48

>> Children is huge in sort of the whatever

00:59:51

you call that part of the country.

00:59:52

>> The world redneck

00:59:54

>> the world.

00:59:55

>> While I'm in your house, something paid

00:59:57

off.

00:59:57

>> Well, you know, because I have seven Joe

00:59:59

Dirt posters on the way to the podcast.

01:00:01

>> So, the Tiger King himself loves Joe

01:00:03

Dirt.

01:00:04

>> I That's what I've heard. Yeah.

01:00:06

>> Yeah. But uh

01:00:07

>> I I never really chased after trying to

01:00:09

play him because it was kind of like Jod

01:00:12

and it didn't seem that fun or

01:00:14

appealing, but it was so fun to watch it

01:00:16

during then and be a part of it all and

01:00:18

it was such a it was like the first big

01:00:20

thing during the uh the break.

01:00:23

>> Have you seen the new one? I mean, one

01:00:24

just came out with Kate McInnon and

01:00:26

>> John Cameron Mitchell.

01:00:27

>> I haven't seen it. I don't know.

01:00:28

>> I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it.

01:00:30

I I Yeah, it's that's fascinating. But I

01:00:33

actually really enjoyed those interviews

01:00:34

cuz you went deep with everyone. So we

01:00:36

watched this thing which always felt

01:00:38

watered down. When I watched it, I

01:00:40

always thought this is so much worse

01:00:43

than this. And then you would you would

01:00:45

get real conversations with people where

01:00:47

they laid it out. So I I implore

01:00:49

everyone to go down that. That's a good

01:00:51

YouTube well to watch.

01:00:53

>> Yeah, they were nice. I'm like, when

01:00:54

that tiger chewed off your arm, did you

01:00:56

feel like were you allowed to take a

01:00:58

lunch break after?

01:00:59

>> She went back to work after that.

01:01:00

>> She did. She went back. That was

01:01:01

interesting. I was like you. Yeah.

01:01:03

>> It's interesting how things become such

01:01:05

cultural phenomenon. So like a wildfire

01:01:07

like Squid Game after that talking about

01:01:09

Netflix now. Just like boom. Everyone

01:01:11

has to see it. Everyone talks about it.

01:01:13

A fury frenzy. And then can I ask you a

01:01:15

question?

01:01:16

>> Yeah.

01:01:16

>> Yes.

01:01:16

>> Cuz I'm I'm such fascinated by George

01:01:18

Carlin. When did you do a documentary?

01:01:20

Okay. Bubble. When's uh bubble come out?

01:01:24

The bubble.

01:01:24

>> April 1st.

01:01:25

>> April 1. The book is out now. the book

01:01:27

you can preary and then the documentary

01:01:29

which about George

01:01:30

>> Carlin

01:01:30

>> May like 2015.

01:01:32

>> What did you take away from that? What

01:01:34

did you discover about George Carlin

01:01:35

that you might not have known? What was

01:01:37

your sense after doing a deep dive on

01:01:38

him?

01:01:39

>> I didn't really I didn't really know

01:01:40

that much about him because he never

01:01:42

mentioned his family and his act. He had

01:01:43

no jokes about his wife or his daughter.

01:01:46

>> Yeah.

01:01:46

>> And so I thought, well, how I don't know

01:01:49

him. Sure.

01:01:50

>> How could I even tell weird or was he

01:01:52

pretty normal? Well, he was a guy that

01:01:55

grew up in New York. He he his dad used

01:01:58

to,

01:01:59

>> you know, beat up his older brother and

01:02:02

and there's a lot of alcoholism and the

01:02:05

mom ran away with the kids and moved to

01:02:08

upstate upstate New York in the 50s. uh

01:02:12

and

01:02:14

maybe even the late 40s and then she had

01:02:18

to raise him alone and then he loved

01:02:20

like radio and Danny Kay

01:02:22

>> and got into everything through that.

01:02:24

But the fascinating part is you know he

01:02:26

had a very corny career in the beginning

01:02:27

very

01:02:29

variety show for a while and then at

01:02:32

some point like Richard Prior he just

01:02:34

became himself and grew a beard and long

01:02:37

hair and got got very edgy. Then he kind

01:02:40

of ran out of gas and got soft again.

01:02:42

Had a heart attack and and talked about

01:02:45

his stuff and that those bits were great

01:02:47

but also very soft. And then he saw

01:02:49

Kenisonson. This is the thing we

01:02:50

learned.

01:02:51

>> What was Kenisonson the hook?

01:02:52

>> He saw Kenisonson and he said I'm not

01:02:54

going to be soft compared to him and

01:02:56

then he went for the rest of his life he

01:03:00

just out. You were all diseased is a

01:03:03

>> Are you talking about post like uh the

01:03:06

seven words that

01:03:08

90s he he went really still funny at

01:03:12

least in you were all diseases really

01:03:14

funny

01:03:14

>> really dark but also the reason why we

01:03:16

made it was because if you go online

01:03:18

whenever anything happens in the news

01:03:20

George Carlin trends and so people are

01:03:22

putting up clips

01:03:23

>> of his bits about America or about big

01:03:25

farmer you know abortion or corporate

01:03:28

America controlling politics and you

01:03:30

realize

01:03:30

Unlike most people whose acts age out

01:03:33

and they don't really work anymore, no

01:03:35

one listens to Lenny Bruce anymore. His

01:03:37

stuff gets better and he kind of

01:03:39

predicted everything that's happening.

01:03:41

>> Yeah.

01:03:42

>> I saw him at 14, you know, we used to

01:03:43

listen to albums Steve Martin and

01:03:44

everyone

01:03:45

>> and then George Colin was in the mix and

01:03:48

I was like, "This guy's [ __ ] funny."

01:03:50

Never no aspiration to be a comedian.

01:03:52

>> Yeah.

01:03:52

>> It was too high up, too good. It was

01:03:54

just more like kids like comedy, you

01:03:56

Here's an example of a line or just

01:03:57

hitting it like everyone's into the

01:03:59

children. We got to save the children.

01:04:01

We love the children. You know WHAT I

01:04:03

SAY? [ __ ] THE CHILDREN. [ __ ] the

01:04:06

children. You go in a classroom, there's

01:04:07

one winner AND A WHOLE LOT OF LOSERS. I

01:04:09

mean, it was just so politically

01:04:11

incorrect.

01:04:12

>> Yeah. Check it out. You're all diseased.

01:04:15

>> I think another line of that is like,

01:04:16

uh, have you ever noticed that everyone

01:04:18

who's against abortion is someone you

01:04:20

wouldn't want to [ __ ]

01:04:23

You know these [ __ ] these

01:04:25

stinky [ __ ] in their [ __ ]

01:04:27

tank tops. Let's get them in a get them

01:04:29

in a field, put them on a pistol and

01:04:31

shoot HIM IN THE [ __ ] HEAD. He would

01:04:33

say that

01:04:34

>> stuff like that. I'm loosely

01:04:35

paraphrasing.

01:04:36

>> He He went hard. And in the documentary,

01:04:38

everyone debates, did he go too dark?

01:04:40

>> And oh, was did it did it get to like

01:04:42

just an angry guy as opposed to angry

01:04:44

guy being funny? I mean, and some people

01:04:46

love it and and there are people in the

01:04:48

documentary, comedians, some who say

01:04:49

they like it and some people who say I

01:04:51

think I think he he lost that for

01:04:53

>> he pass away.

01:04:54

>> He I I mean, he

01:04:56

>> he'd had heart attack.

01:04:57

>> He had a lot of heart problems and I

01:04:58

think he did

01:05:00

>> a lot of cocaine for a long time. It it

01:05:03

feels like maybe he had some sort of uh

01:05:07

>> OCD or attention issues that led to the

01:05:12

fact that he would do a lot of cocaine

01:05:14

and not hang out with people. He would

01:05:15

just write.

01:05:17

>> He loved to write. He loved words and he

01:05:18

would listen to music. But there were a

01:05:20

lot of years where he was doing that. I

01:05:23

mean, we have audio of him talking into

01:05:25

tape recorders in the middle of

01:05:26

three-day binges by himself. That's uh

01:05:29

>> Wow.

01:05:30

>> That's pretty scary. People would

01:05:31

sometimes go up to him and go, "Any

01:05:33

advice?" And he would just say, "Write

01:05:35

everything down." That was that was it.

01:05:37

>> Yeah.

01:05:37

>> Cuz he was a master of word for word.

01:05:39

>> Yeah. He didn't like riff on stage. He

01:05:41

didn't play on stage. He was poet. It

01:05:43

was like Yeah. Like he wrote like a show

01:05:46

and had to memorize it. When I saw him,

01:05:48

he would just sit before the show just

01:05:50

trying to memorize it and do it

01:05:51

perfectly. And if someone yelled

01:05:53

something out, he was not cool with it.

01:05:54

He he wanted to keep going. his lists,

01:05:57

his hooks, big shoes, little shoes,

01:05:59

brown shoes, black shoes, boy shoes,

01:06:01

girls shoes, shoes, everyone needs

01:06:03

shoes, tall shoes, boot,

01:06:05

>> you know, and he he would make these

01:06:07

crazy lists and he's in his 70s, had a

01:06:09

couple strokes, and he's just like so

01:06:11

articulate and hernia, you know,

01:06:13

>> and a what is it? A hernia and a she

01:06:17

>> Oh, I know. I know the you're talking

01:06:19

should be called a himnia.

01:06:21

>> Yeah.

01:06:22

Well, what we saw was that there was a

01:06:24

period where people got bored of him for

01:06:26

a little while. And so on Second City

01:06:29

TV, Rick Morannis would do this brutally

01:06:31

mean impression where he would say

01:06:33

things like that and do like, you know,

01:06:35

George Carlin starring in Death of a

01:06:37

Salesman and they would they would make

01:06:39

fun of him.

01:06:40

>> And there was a moment where Chi from

01:06:42

Chichin Chang said, uh, George Carlin's

01:06:45

over. All he talks about is things like

01:06:47

peas,

01:06:48

>> you know, eating your peas. And then

01:06:50

that really bothered him and it made him

01:06:52

redouble his effort. So where most

01:06:53

people came in just he just went hard

01:06:56

and said okay now I got to show you all

01:06:58

that.

01:06:58

>> I waited on him at the Circle Star at

01:07:00

the Holiday in near the Circle Star

01:07:02

Theater. Wow.

01:07:02

>> Brought him a bowl of oatmeal. Put it in

01:07:04

front of me and goes oatmeal. Drop the O

01:07:07

and you have at meal. I said give it a

01:07:09

rest Jordan. Everybody did.

01:07:10

>> There's no blue oatmeal.

01:07:12

>> There's blueberries. Oh yeah.

01:07:14

Blueberries. Strawberries.

01:07:16

>> There's no blue food.

01:07:18

>> All right. scratch that one.

01:07:20

>> You know, I I just have that theory that

01:07:21

eventually almost everyone becomes a

01:07:24

caricature of themselves in in the arts.

01:07:27

You know, like Johnny Carson had kind of

01:07:29

>> or you'd watch someone and go, "Is that

01:07:31

an impersonator or the person?" Because

01:07:33

you have your hooks and you have your

01:07:34

things and then eventually you're

01:07:36

exposed and that's when I pounce later

01:07:37

on when they're sad and used up. Then I

01:07:39

rub it in their face. But at least I'm

01:07:41

honest.

01:07:42

>> Anything left for Appatile? I have one

01:07:45

>> one last question. How do you spell

01:07:46

Appetile? Cuz I worked for the IRS.

01:07:48

>> One P. One P one

01:07:49

>> and your mom drove a red car.

01:07:50

>> Did they tease you as a kid with

01:07:51

appetite? Hey, it's Jud Appetizer. Did

01:07:53

you get any of that or?

01:07:54

>> Um, no. Not

01:07:56

>> I had Dana car keys. Dana car keys.

01:08:00

>> Dana car keys. [ __ ] Jud Appetizer.

01:08:03

That's what I would have said.

01:08:04

>> No, the I remember they used to call me

01:08:05

the nose.

01:08:07

>> Oh, things like that.

01:08:08

>> It's always weird when people are

01:08:09

anti-Semitic when every single kid in

01:08:11

your high school is Jewish, but they're

01:08:12

still anti-semitic.

01:08:15

>> That's the worst you to go. I'm a

01:08:17

self-hating white person.

01:08:19

>> Everyone can't help bullying. It's so

01:08:20

funny about bullying is

01:08:22

>> uh the bullying is worse than it's ever

01:08:23

been and all the data is in. It's bad,

01:08:26

you know? Like we think, I guess we

01:08:27

fixed it.

01:08:28

>> Makes you stronger. That's good for you,

01:08:30

kid. It's unreal. Your soul. I just

01:08:32

wonder if I was a kid and I was like 10,

01:08:34

11 years old and like Twitter existed,

01:08:37

would I be one of those [ __ ] kids

01:08:39

just trying to give everyone [ __ ]

01:08:41

Because if if I go on it, there's always

01:08:43

like people who are trying to find my

01:08:46

wound. Yeah. And and

01:08:48

>> to get your response.

01:08:49

>> Yes. And if you do respond, they're

01:08:50

always like, "Oh my god, I'm your

01:08:51

biggest fan." No matter how crying if

01:08:53

you respond.

01:08:54

>> But would I have been one of those kids?

01:08:56

Cuz I think I would have found it funny

01:08:58

potentially to just give people [ __ ]

01:09:00

>> I think you might have been until you

01:09:02

thought it tipped a kid over into self

01:09:04

harm. I don't think you seem like too

01:09:06

nice.

01:09:06

>> No, I mean mean attacking like a like a

01:09:08

someone in the public sphere.

01:09:10

>> Oh, I see.

01:09:11

People say mean things and if I block

01:09:13

him someone will say hey don't block my

01:09:16

friend he loves you and you go it was

01:09:17

the meanest f and they go he's being

01:09:19

funny but you can't even tell when

01:09:21

people are funny that your friends are

01:09:22

texting you you can't tell the tone

01:09:24

sometime

01:09:25

>> so you don't know what's going and then

01:09:26

when someone you don't know is like hey

01:09:28

[ __ ] you

01:09:29

>> you suck and then you go oh okay I don't

01:09:31

need that guy being funny what's the

01:09:34

general meanest thing they say you know

01:09:36

if anyone can find tape of Dana Carvey

01:09:39

being funny I'd to see it. You know,

01:09:41

there are certain generic put downs for

01:09:43

comedians.

01:09:44

>> No, but there's this podcast and got a

01:09:47

partner. If I promote something, they'll

01:09:49

just say, "Uh, I'll watch it if you'll

01:09:51

cut an hour out of it."

01:09:52

>> So that

01:09:55

>> this is 40 minutes too long.

01:09:56

>> The bubble

01:09:58

>> which is out when

01:09:59

>> solid two hours. Solid two hours.

01:10:00

>> Two hours and out.

01:10:01

>> Some people want 90 minutes, but the

01:10:03

other 30 is the same price. I did Master

01:10:05

of Disguise and then we had to cut it

01:10:06

down to 58 minutes because it was it

01:10:09

didn't even make sense. It was it wasn't

01:10:10

even a language because because you you

01:10:13

bailed out. You were going to do a

01:10:14

Sandler film called Mr. Pete or Sneaky

01:10:18

Pete or something.

01:10:18

>> Oh, Puka Pete.

01:10:19

>> Puka Pete. And then you got mad. So, no,

01:10:21

you were Fred Wolf had a falling out.

01:10:23

So, then I was in in line. So, I did a

01:10:26

read through and they go, "Carvey, you

01:10:27

got to go in a week." But anyway, I go,

01:10:29

"It's not even a movie. It's just words

01:10:32

on a piece of paper. We have a crew. We

01:10:34

have a crew.

01:10:35

>> It's cut to 58 minutes and then it has

01:10:37

12 minutes of fake out well outtake. So

01:10:40

it made it had to be a certain length.

01:10:43

Anyway, that's my experience with film.

01:10:44

But the bubble comes I like to promote

01:10:46

May.

01:10:47

>> April 1st.

01:10:48

>> April 1st. April Fool's Day. The bubble

01:10:51

on Netflix.

01:10:52

>> Love it.

01:10:53

>> Stick her in the head. Out now to

01:10:56

>> uh two nights ago

01:10:59

>> I you saw it.

01:11:00

>> No, I got [ __ ] I didn't want to tell

01:11:02

bum. I really sat down to watch it last

01:11:04

night. I had it on the Netflix, went to

01:11:07

the pin number

01:11:09

>> and couldn't find an email. Talked.

01:11:11

>> That's what happens in 90% of the people

01:11:13

we send it to. But you were able to

01:11:14

watch it.

01:11:15

>> You got in.

01:11:15

>> And what did you enjoy it?

01:11:17

>> I did a Wordle in under two hours

01:11:19

yesterday.

01:11:20

>> Did he get through it?

01:11:20

>> I got through it.

01:11:21

>> No. Did you get through it, David? Yeah.

01:11:23

Gave me anything.

01:11:23

>> Do you have any notes? I I

01:11:25

>> What about the ending? What did you

01:11:26

think of that trick ending?

01:11:27

>> Yeah.

01:11:27

>> Oh, where was I?

01:11:31

Come on, folks. You got to say the first

01:11:32

part. I just started to say the word

01:11:35

helicopter. I said a couple things. No,

01:11:37

but they uh

01:11:39

>> I like Keenan. I thought Kina was funny.

01:11:41

I thought uh your daughter did a great

01:11:43

job.

01:11:44

>> My daughter played your daughter in

01:11:45

love. That's the

01:11:46

>> Yeah, she was great. She was very fun on

01:11:48

the set and very non bratty. And uh she

01:11:51

plays she looks totally different.

01:11:53

>> She's very actively different hair,

01:11:55

different haircut, plays a Tik Tocker

01:11:57

and has millions of followers. They're

01:11:59

all stuck in the bubble. That looks like

01:12:01

a castle. Is that a hotel? I mean, where

01:12:03

were where did you do that?

01:12:04

>> It's called like Clifton. I guess

01:12:06

there's a famous scandal there where

01:12:07

like someone in the government had an

01:12:08

affair there that's like a you grant the

01:12:11

Beatles shot help there.

01:12:12

>> Really?

01:12:13

>> Yeah. You did over there.

01:12:14

>> Full circle.

01:12:15

>> Oh, who was the first AD that looks like

01:12:17

James Bond? Daniel Craig.

01:12:20

>> The first ad that looks like

01:12:21

>> No, he's a studio guy. Who's the guy

01:12:22

that comes in? He's always standing in

01:12:24

every seat.

01:12:24

>> Peter Saraphinowitz. Okay.

01:12:25

>> Oh, he's hysterical. He played the tick

01:12:27

in that TV show. That was the answer to

01:12:29

my uh Wordle question is

01:12:31

>> there's another jaw impression. So

01:12:33

anyway, we'll close with this. John App

01:12:36

is here. You know, uh does does a lot of

01:12:38

great movies. Um Drex Brucees, right?

01:12:40

>> I would have read all your movies, but

01:12:42

everyone knows them. They're all [ __ ]

01:12:43

If there's a pandemic or an earthquake,

01:12:45

he just goes right into work mode. I

01:12:46

don't know what it is.

01:12:47

>> He calls Scott Sub after the big one. We

01:12:49

should do an earthquake movie. He's

01:12:50

like, "Well, nothing works right now."

01:12:52

Judge,

01:12:52

>> uh Jud, it's my pleasure.

01:12:54

>> Thank you for coming.

01:12:54

>> Thanks for coming and being in house.

01:12:58

in the house. We're in space.

01:12:59

>> You know why I came? Last thing. Because

01:13:01

I don't like hearing this Zoom sound.

01:13:04

Let's get people on a real microphone.

01:13:05

So, we've had two years to figure this

01:13:07

out.

01:13:07

>> That's a That's a director that does

01:13:09

movies now.

01:13:10

>> Agree. It's a little bit like comedy

01:13:11

water boarding when you do it on Zoom.

01:13:13

You're not camp.

01:13:14

>> You guys, I want to show you one of my

01:13:15

final things to say, David.

01:13:17

>> That's it. Let's go.

01:13:20

>> Hey, what's up flies? What's up, fleas?

01:13:22

What's up, people that listen? We want

01:13:23

to hear from you and your dumb

01:13:25

questions.

01:13:25

>> Questions? Ask us anything. anything you

01:13:28

want. You can email us at

01:13:30

flyinthewallcadens13.com.

01:13:35

>> Hey Dana, hey David Spade. The question

01:13:37

is, this is from uh Yuvaldo

01:13:41

>> A Garcia.

01:13:42

>> My question is, is there a common

01:13:44

denominator to which SNL alum go on to

01:13:47

be mega stars and which don't? Or is it

01:13:49

as simple as having great characters

01:13:50

that capture America's attention, or is

01:13:53

it something deeper? This is a

01:13:54

12-parter. Well, first of all, if we

01:13:56

knew how to become mega stars, we would

01:13:58

be mega stars.

01:14:00

>> You think we're holding back on that

01:14:01

one?

01:14:02

>> Yeah, we went to the meastar uh you

01:14:05

know, symposium with Tony Robbins was

01:14:07

teaching it.

01:14:08

>> You got to get it.

01:14:08

>> His hands were as big as my whole body.

01:14:10

I accidentally went to the mega store

01:14:12

Costco

01:14:13

>> and um yeah, I would just say that

01:14:16

there's an intersection between talent

01:14:18

and the marketplace. And it's uh you

01:14:21

when you're when you're young and naive,

01:14:22

you go, well, the best band will be the

01:14:24

biggest band. That only happened once

01:14:26

and that was the Beatles.

01:14:27

>> And the best the funniest guy will also

01:14:30

make the most money. So get rid of all

01:14:32

that.

01:14:32

>> I can go to the comedy store and see

01:14:34

three people funnier than me. It's just

01:14:35

and they're not doing as well as me as

01:14:37

showbiz wise, but it just it it's a it's

01:14:40

a combination of a million things. So,

01:14:41

if you're doing well, it's it's a lot of

01:14:43

it's luck, but you I think you have to

01:14:45

bring it over and over and over because

01:14:47

everything's a [ __ ] audition. People

01:14:49

can lose faith in you somewhere along

01:14:50

the way and go, you don't got it.

01:14:52

>> Oh, yeah. Now, people go live streaming

01:14:53

movies and no one knows if it bombed or

01:14:55

whatever. But back in the day, a movie

01:14:56

star, if if that person had two bombs in

01:14:59

a row, you kind of had to go back in

01:15:01

line and then wait a lot of years. But

01:15:03

but again, all you can go back to is

01:15:05

trying to do a good job at whatever

01:15:07

you're doing. But a mega star um has a

01:15:10

mega mansion.

01:15:11

>> There's not that many left. It's me,

01:15:12

Dana, and then I can't even think of

01:15:14

anyone.

01:15:14

>> Mega stars have they don't talk about

01:15:16

the security, cyber security, physical

01:15:19

security. Uh everyone treats them weird.

01:15:22

I don't know about the goal of mear as

01:15:25

opposed to like just being funny and

01:15:26

employed. I don't know. Did you ever

01:15:28

dream about being

01:15:29

>> mear? I feel like has a tough life and

01:15:31

he would never say it himself, but I

01:15:33

feel like just everywhere you go, if you

01:15:35

connect lives with someone, they go

01:15:36

that's [ __ ] Brad Pitt and they don't

01:15:37

know how to act and they get weird and

01:15:39

even when he meets other celebrities,

01:15:41

they freak out. So that's being a mega

01:15:43

when you're in a room with other

01:15:44

>> that's it's too much energy in the room

01:15:47

and and I get starruck by fame. I mean

01:15:49

with Brad Pitt, you know, um if I met

01:15:53

him, he go, "We're going to go over here

01:15:54

and get a get some pizza." I go, "It's a

01:15:56

good plan. I like what you're doing. I

01:15:59

like being on your podcast, David,

01:16:01

because you got good whiticisms. I'm

01:16:03

Brad Pitt. I'm chiseled and tan. No, but

01:16:06

being a sex being a sex symbol, and I'll

01:16:08

let David speak to this, being a sex

01:16:10

symbol has a different energy. There's a

01:16:12

mega star just goofy comedian, but then

01:16:15

there's a mega star who's who's a sexual

01:16:17

star. Then you get guys or weirdos in

01:16:21

your bushes hiding out. It's it's a

01:16:23

>> for women especially. I'm so glad that I

01:16:26

never reached Megastar status. That's

01:16:27

all I'm saying.

01:16:28

>> I hate that I reached it so much.

01:16:30

>> I go to the grocery store and no one

01:16:31

cares. I take the mask off, the hat off,

01:16:33

I go, "Hey everybody,

01:16:35

>> I went out star route, which was stupid

01:16:39

early on."

01:16:39

>> He was a porn star for

01:16:40

>> and then wee bit of time and then I went

01:16:44

back to I just wanted to see what I

01:16:47

don't remember what my old life was.

01:16:50

I'm going to be a bus boy again. No, I

01:16:52

don't know. That's a stupid answer, but

01:16:53

thank you for asking a question and uh

01:16:55

yeah,

01:16:56

>> we've been Dana and David and we've been

01:16:58

Dumb.

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