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hey everybody I'm Dana and David Spade and up next we got the great Bill Hader
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there is uh stud he's let me say this about Bill Hader if I was having a
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conversation about who was the greatest wow uh Sno cast member if someone said
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Bill Hader I wouldn't you wouldn't slide him in my face I wouldn't slug him in the face I wouldn't get mad I'd really
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go huh hmm I see if someone said who is the tallest SNL cast member they said
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Bill Hader I still would go hmm I wouldn't get mad I wouldn't be pissed off I wouldn't
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fight him fight him I just go oh okay I just don't know I see him and I really he is [ __ ] tall if someone said that
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Will Ferrell is what was shorter than me I wouldn't get mad I wouldn't slug him in the face
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so Bill Hader is um brilliant on Saturday Night Live and
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his show Barry Barry yeah he made the jump and you know to go from SNL no matter how good you are to jump over and
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he's on a great show is is always tough because there are sections of your life your career boom
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boom boom and you know to still be talked about still be known is great it's a very tricky
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situation there's a part of being on SNL I always think everyone I don't always
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thank everyone but what do you always say here's what I'm trying to point out you're kind of your best right before you leave because I was asking Fred
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armerson who's Batman and Robin I don't know which one was Batman but they were twinsies on their last year of SNL Fred
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armerson and Bill Hader I said you guys were just so loose there was no sense of
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pushing trying to be funny and they go well we just were having fun we knew we were leaving and we just first there's
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something to do that can't be too loose on SNL and uh Bill Hader hit some first
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of all he's quirky you know it's Vincent Price thing is crazy his impressions are weird
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um like that newscaster guy does he keeps hitting himself in the face what about the puppet guy and the
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ventriloquist guy he's got so many funny Hooks and I'll tell you anecdotally if you have a
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minute yeah um I was there hosting and my sons were
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with me and they're just little kids I remember Fred and Bill being so sweet and gentle like they were like if you
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see them on the show they're like powerful right and then when you meet them personally they're they're kind of
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shy and very thoughtful they're not on all the time and Bill Hader is such a good audience he has an incredibly
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intense laugh yeah when people meet me they go this guy's like a hard ass athlete and then they realize I'm just a
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tough guy like I'm just a run-of-the-mill like [ __ ] badass oh yeah I was terrified the first time I
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met you I'd send you an update I went this guy's a bad I get up I do five crunches in the morning whether I feel like it and I'm just boom boom boom
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knock them out and then I slow down told me that you could kick my ass in a street fight I wouldn't slug him in the
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face you wouldn't fight him no because you're Scrappy Arizona people anyone grow up in 112 degree heat and come out
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of that doing stand-up at 19. I mean you're Scrappy I'm so Scrappy and I fight and my dad left me and it all
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comes out when I do a fight but listen he had a really easy childhood mine was kind of rough
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the reason we bonded over Mutual roughness but I will tell you you
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probably you did not know this what uh Willie hater went to my college and nobody gives a
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[ __ ] but it's true me and him do Billy hater not even ASU the Stepping Stone
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Scottsdale Community where I went and got a 325 which is kind of shitty for like basically High School still a
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national chess champ or something I was and then I got stupid at the right time even then I was smart from kindergarten
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to eighth grade and then [ __ ] Spike down freshman year uh right when they started going okay are you smart we're
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going to start writing it down now your grades and I'm like oh well now if only they told us why we were learning math
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because that was the best sleep literal I ever got in my life snooze I mean it literally hypnotized me I
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couldn't even make it this is how we make rocket ships I would have been sitting up [ __ ] they said they
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basically said X Plus y equals z z z [Applause] but that you don't fall asleep when you
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see the great Bill Hader do his thing no he went to my Scottsdale Community College and we were the artichokes uh
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we're gonna ask him about it and [ __ ] we both somehow what was the mascot
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really The Arches that's not a joke I swear to God the the Arizona artichokes yeah Scottsdale wow that is awesome we
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were the Scots six credits in anthropology from there and I only need 180 more to graduate so I might pick it
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up this summer anyway here's Dr David space yeah he's a real hater our friend
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and one of the funniest people in the world
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[Music] David be in the moment I am don't talk
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over me God damn that's all we do is talk over each other
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we should let bill at some point in this but not like right away oh it's okay I like watching you guys you've talked
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enough right yeah this is a conversational hater Bill Hader Hang on we're not narcissists but
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you can ask us questions too yeah
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of a discussion oh I'm moderating oh that's how your podcast goes I moderate
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the discussion between YouTube about your relationship and your time
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Bill Hader look how much I prepared I know I was like Bill Hader I I know
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the name yeah and I and I know his game I know he's got a keys I know it's
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[ __ ] dude he's got some game Dana this guy's [ __ ] broke all the rules yeah and I love him for it the
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rules are every every [ __ ] guy holding his dick walking into a boss
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says I'd like to direct and everyone goes yeah yeah yeah here's what you do
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kid you put on the makeup you dance like a clown they pay you you dance you're a
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clown you want he goes no no I'm not I'm fine I'm Martin Scorsese no you're a
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[ __ ] bozo with a [ __ ] clown now gank this [ __ ] movie from Paramount we'll give you 20 Lodge up front so bill
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says all right go ahead Bill oh my god um Mr Michaels I would
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oh was that was it Lauren asking you to do a a character movie yeah I think
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Lauren wanted he wanted to do a character movie yeah but maybe this summer maybe when you're
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on break well it was just there was a hard way it was a hard one to do he wanted to do a
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Stefan one and then I think John Mulaney and I were like it didn't work as a sketch
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that's a good reason you know what I mean we're like it died it died
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uh twice at the table and then we did it you know a couple times a dress and it
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was terrible you know it just it was low energy weird thing yeah that never
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worked and so then it was like okay and you know well let's just shoot it
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and look at the whole movie and see you can burn it and if you if you get burned or singed
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it happens and we'll take it outside and martial set it on fire we do we've done
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this before we said Marcy get the wizard lighter fluid
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you don't fly look at the book of Lauren page seven the Stefan the book of horn
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the way did you guys have think yeah yeah we had like yeah we can do a movie and then we were like well it doesn't
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work as a sketch it kind of just works on update you know it went from a sketch
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to update or update to a sketch it went it did not work as a sketch and then it was Doug Abel's running update
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going I need something what about that club kid thing you did give me that thing that bombed do you still have it
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a little less pressure in a weird way it's just you doing it directly and if they buy it they buy it you have to rely
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on them it worked better when it was like because again I don't know do you guys remember that it's just like I
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remember that weird [ __ ] just didn't but just that feeling of like oh I got a low energy weird thing right this isn't
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gonna work but how do you do that in a 90-minute corporate funny vehicle yeah
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yeah you can't we couldn't even take Hans and Franz off their set we go we got to get them off their set so we put
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them on in a campground scene with Al Franken death
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oh you know sketch what about the movie yeah we got him on the set and then we're pointing no we had the movie
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written Hans and Franz The girlyman Dilemma but that went that that's that's that would have been good I think that
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would have been good though oh wait let's get back to Bill Hayden you tried taking them off the set and it didn't work no I put
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it happens all the time where you go like yeah let's not do the same thing over and over again right and you
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realize like no that's what they like at a scene yeah well it's like so the Dana
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they go on the fronts here you're in the gym for 19 sketches and they put you in in like a store and they're like who the
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[ __ ] are these two people like no one even understands yeah not cool put them in the [ __ ] gym I know the jokes and
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I will laugh I know how to do this but you're you're at home base you're screaming at the audience right behind
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the camera yeah you couldn't imagine losers and then then we're over in the corner at eight H in a quiet Campground
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scene job would you like another Venus nature you like some s'mores I think
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thought is brilliant but I think it might have been a wise decision that would have been a challenge the sketch did not work I mean it just never worked
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you know Bill uh you can hear your foot falls on the you know that it was one of those things where I can hear if I like
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place the glass
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well Bill your next question to us is was there a Gap Girls movie which is a good fair question there was not
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um but there was a work there was wait did you guys do again did you guys you
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got scared you go did you do one oh I didn't see it uh no we we didn't write it but he got scared we uh we're not get
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scared but I I know it didn't happen no it didn't happen but it was sort of when I when I thought movies were very easy
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to come by because I was delusional because one summer we did Tommy Boy Lauren had a deal with Paramount it was
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it was sort of easy like and then next summer why don't you guys do black sheep we're like great and then next summer maybe you guys could do Gap Girls movie
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and uh the the things that had against it were me writing it which is probably the first thing and then hey come on now
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I was running out of sketch ideas that were four minutes so I remember we did one about Jeopardy because gaperty just
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sounded like a funny name for a sketch and then but there was no party and so I go if me Farley and and Adam are they
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are the contestants it'll be funny and Courtney Cox is a host and we have to ask her about that because
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[ __ ] that was the first time I wrote something and I was so joyous that it was on and I was uh just your name on it
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that's so just sold yeah first for gaps girls and then um and then I do it and
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Courtney goes I don't really I don't really have a thing to play as the host and I was like oh I didn't think about any other care you know it's so rude
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like I'm so worried about our [ __ ] and trying to get Farley to make sure
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everything he says is in all caps what was your catchphrase for Gap girls I
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don't know if there was one I mean the thing everybody remembered I was lay off oh lay off me I'm starving I'm starving
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that was this yeah okay that was uh my proudest riding moment was that one because that one worked destroyed yeah
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and also in that one bill there was a uh in rehearsal it says you know like we're at the mall
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at the food court and then we see the girls from Donut Hut everyone knows this guy Jimmy I don't know why I'm
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explaining it and uh Schneider taking notes with Sarah Gilbert as Donut Hut
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[ __ ] and uh we argue with them obviously there's a rivalry and and then
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at the end of the week and they go we'll see you guys Friday and then it goes away to a card it says three days later
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of the mall and then it comes back and then uh in rehearsal I go isn't it weird we're all wearing the same thing we did
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three days later and we laughed so so I go hey Adam on the live show I go when
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we do that when we come back I'm gonna say that and you say I don't think we are and I go trust me we are because
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it's only five seconds of real time yeah yeah and so we added that which is fun
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and then lay off me I'm starving Farley [ __ ] nailed and then I said we can't do a movie I'm out that's it
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I don't want to all right let's talk about no this is this is 20 more minutes
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you're the contestant on a thing and you said oh that's sweet oh sweet that was
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beef Weaver's fast
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God dang oh what we do for money is that in Arizona wait Brooklyn is that an
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Arizona dude or is that no that was just um yeah I had a guy that used to talk I
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guess in class and so when you get assigned a sketch they go can you be sort of a whatever whatever so that one
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just sounded funny because I don't really do big characters and that one sounded funny and my friend had a Scirocco ins and it was it was all
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Whited out and uh it was very cool Scirocco over at SCC
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oh yeah I swear I just did a uh I just got no uh I just did a talk at SC oh you
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did we went to the same Community College Dana but I got stale yeah I went
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out of state to go to a community the funniest stories from Oklahoma right and then you from Oklahoma to Arizona and I
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went to Arizona to the Art Institute of Phoenix because my grades were so bad and they didn't care and then when I was
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there a guy there was like you know what Scottsdale Community College they're shooting stuff on film oh this is in whatever 97 or something
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when shooting on video is lame so oh we went there and and yeah and they were
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like you know David yeah I went there because they had tennis uh it was a little different but what
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was the mascot of Scottsdale Community the artichokes okay
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and then I worked on Mill Avenue at a movie theater I worked at Center Point oh I love it yeah down intensity uh sure
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are running the film or what were you doing I did the I was not sure and I looked at the time I looked like Charles
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Manson I had like a long weird and long hair bun so the idea when you're the you're
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the type of user who would then uh when there wasn't many people around just sit in on movies was you'd be that kind of
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guy I always sit and watch movies the guy that uh um
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this guy I worked with and he had this whole thing about like you can't bring food into the theater outside food into
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the theater and I became like really obsessed with nailing people because it was just fun feeling whoa whoa whoa whoa
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whoa no no you know I was just like and this one dude was I forget his name but
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he was such a like just kind of a Stoner guy and we were out I was by the
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concession stand and this this guy came in with a wedding cake
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just to sit in his mouth and he's like hey can I put this in the
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back I was just gonna see a movie so one I'm like who brings a wedding cake to a movie and two I was like went to this
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Stoner guy I'm like did you not see the guy with the [ __ ] wedding you or his tickets and you put the stuff
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he was like oh yeah man you know I you know the guys seemed uh you know he had
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a cake yeah I just I just saw Spider-Man and the guy goes the Usher goes you know
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they like over help he goes I'll walk you to the theater I go I think I got it and he goes three hours dude and I go oh
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immediate buzz kill like oh it is he goes yeah and he goes and at the end all the Spider-Mans don't be like spoilers
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guy just let me get in there take it down a pack yeah okay there you go you
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know come on what are you uh the false ending guy something he's going down the
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river like Kurtz Colonel Kurtz is a great Dennis one of
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his go-to like Colonel chern down the river like getting that sponge
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on his head in the cave shooting for the Oscar right like why the sheen cat hides
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in the shallows okay I have all these sketches of bills I want to go over but uh I wanna well while we're here in his
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youth yeah uh because we'll kind of maybe we can go hey we're just making this up but I we know you're a
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filmophile so you go through your scene films just do you remember the first film because I could say 2001 for me in
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a theater or on television the first film or TV show where when you went holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is this
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um I you know it was like always like I was at a sleepover at this kid's house and his older brother was like
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we were 12 and like you know the 15 year old older brother came in and was like
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I'm gonna show you this movie Taxi Driver whoa wow we all were like what you know that's heavy you can't be
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watching this you know and it's like this is really intense but there was a scene in that movie where with all the
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violence and stuff in it there's a scene where Robert De Niro takes Cybil Shepherd to a
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porno movie that's still like one of the most oh yeah that's great I've ever seen yeah in a thing ever it's just
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impossible to watch and not it's so bad it's so sad but then afterwards he calls
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her and it's him on a pay phone in a hallway seen if she got these flowers he sent
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her and he's like I didn't know you didn't like those kind of movies or whatever it was so embarrassing to watch and then as it was happening the camera
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just dollied off of him as he's talking and I thought
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oh wow the movie doesn't want to watch this like it was like oh you're allowed to do
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that like unlock this thing in my head where I was like so it was weird this weird night where
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these dudes this older brother thought he was kind of like you know [ __ ] us up or whatever and instead I got like
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really jazzed by that it was hard after that to be like let's watch the natural yeah
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like whatever movies my friends wanted to watch it was like no I wanna but that's so interesting that you think
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they just show like when I see movies they show that guy and then you cut and show that guy talking and and even Dolly
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shots are weird and then you fade off them and in your head to think oh it's
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because he's odd and they're and it's getting extra and you go oh yeah are you
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allowed to do that and then yeah yeah it's like an emotional thing it was like
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it felt intuitive and emotional and it was like oh I don't want to watch this so let's just let's give them some space
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could I could I oh that's okay connect the dots on that a teeny bit with you Bill I was watching the episode where
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you you're gonna go kill the guy ends up being a martial artist and then you have a fight with the daughter
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I'm Barry yeah well when you come in and you we know he's the mark can come in
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and you stay on him a long time and we just hear your voice talking about it's
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not gonna happen it's gonna be okay but there's no shot of you at that point I know it just reminds me it had some
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visceral emotional yeah you kind of like instant yeah it was like an instinctive thing of like oh
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you don't know what he's looking at and then yeah the reveal that I'm in this like weird Spiderman almost or something
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yeah yeah that's weird like one of the guys you know terrorists
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at Munich games or something like he had this weird look and then but yeah you know but yeah that's what I mean you
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kind of go like well it takes a while to get that kind of confidence to to do that crew looks at
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you like you're not you're not doing coverage what yeah we ended up shooting a a two shot of us because the DP and
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other people were like uh I don't get this and I just went okay
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we'll shoot this and then yeah I just and then you get in the edit and say well I kind of want it this way well I
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think yeah that's that's Barry which we'll we'll get to in a little bit but um so as you're going along just a few
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more touch Stones uh what deer hunter are you like kind of the darker kind of films yeah those kind of movies are
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always there's a movie Last Detail with Jack Nicholson um that was Hal Ashby and
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and and um Judd Apatow talked about that yeah I love that film yeah Judd directed that
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hey uh Bill what about it
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he goes you can just say like you know I think my balls hurt
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Last Detail yeah they had the big God like yeah Randy Randy before you no no
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no ready ready look at him and be like oh geez uh I guess I got my semen all
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over the place yes think of your your gun as a horse's [ __ ]
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your gun is like a horse's car does it thing and it doesn't land there's always a pause and then he goes you know
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Judd said Deer Hunter could have been a half hour longer no but I really I'm kidding but I saw um
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he makes fun of that we make fun of it uh because I showed him my HBO's my new
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Netflix special it's an hour six he goes I think it could be two hours let me see it I go well no there's not even that
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many that is not that much material I'll find it um and taxi driver that I that stood out
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to me this is the tiniest thing but when he's embarrassing going uh the thing that says I've got to get
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organized organized yeah yeah the car and she's like what I gotta oh yeah I
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gotta get organized that's on his wall now it's like yeah that was something my mom had yeah and
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then he's like this thing is like a good organized and she's like and then he buys her a record that she
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says she already has like that's all thing is just so awkward you're like dude just like stop stop just stop it
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this is so sad yeah and you're you're 12. I'm watching that 12 watching this yeah girls like a total mystery to me
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and I'm like okay don't do any of this right I thought it was like a lesson in how to do it
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remember Tommy and it scared me and I got a stomach ache yeah I wasn't ready
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yeah the beans the the scene in Tommy with all the um mirror the same with the
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beans were isn't it like Ann Margaret or someone yeah he makes no sense scared me oh Acid Queen when she threw the guy got
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a fire and it burned his face at the beginning uh with Tina Turner I don't
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know what the [ __ ] I just saw Greece before that I'm like what's going on here let's keep it light guys yeah
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no that one was Brown let's go I always liked a lot of those
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um yeah but I also like you know like like love Jaws oh yeah perfect Perfect movie
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The Godfather and you know never never can watch that any day of the week Godfather what about alien how did you
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find aliens like Once Upon a Time in the West oh yeah with Henry Henry Fonda
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I'm gonna shoot you right now if I the last thing I ever do I'm Henry from now
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that you've said my name shoots a kid it's not a kid yeah he shoots a kid yeah
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the old Gunslinger one of those Spaghetti Westerns this guy goes we got them all right when he says his name he
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goes well now that you've said my name kid and you're like Jesus Christ
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thank you I was like geez let's relax yeah
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yeah I like all like all those 70s movies and then a big one you know what a big
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one I saw in the theater was and it's a weird one was I took a girl to do this like my first like you're going with
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somebody date okay date yeah and she wanted to go see father the bride with
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Steve Martin and then check her to go see Barton Fink oh that was she was like okay thanks well
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uh we we never really need to speak not a panty dropper yeah I was like damn
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that movie was amazing I was like that was like it's still one of my the I love that film the Coen Brothers yeah who did
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it was in it yeah oh yeah
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[Music] John Goodman I I don't know when he hosted the show
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John Goodman speaking of Saturday Night Live which is sort of the theme of our show kind of uh John Goodman could do
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anything and he's one of those guys that read through with the 55 scripts he's one of those incredible cold readers you
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know that's a that's a thing so difficult um I don't know how people do that I
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remember and did you guys ever have people who were terrible at the table yes you were like this is gonna be a
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blood bass and then were just amazing like they came in and they were like oh
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they're just not good cold readers or they kind of save it well if something happens when they're up in front of a
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live audience that it's suddenly yeah and you're like oh get out of the way yeah I think there's a gradient scale I
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mean you could go to some mild dyslexia or whatever's going on but some people can really like Dennis Miller could and
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Phil Hartman could look at a cue card and just grab it so fast and they never would stumble a little bit but even good
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readers it's such a task to not trip up a word reverse the word I tripped over stuff constantly I I did the my sixth
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show I've played Vincent Price yeah and Lauren one of my favorites came up to me
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Lauren came up to me right before the band's playing and I'm you know my sixth show and yeah
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I'm sweating yeah like I'm like oh I'm hey Dana you talked about like I would
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have a full-blown panic attack before every show I would go into that bathroom that was installing the big makeup yeah
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yeah there was a boys and girls bathroom yes right after the meeting before it was
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like and Lauren would be like you know this week you know we're about to go on break and people are gonna say it was a
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good show or a bad show you know so it'd be really really nice if it was like
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really really nice so okay when you when you panic attack
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in there just for a second so you go and you sit down you're by yourself or you just hyperventilating okay trying to
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install standing up and it would just hyperventilate I'll be honest and cry a little bit oh
00:28:23
oh of course shaking yeah oh yeah just have like a full and then the thing was
00:28:28
that Jenna who was our stage manager when I was there who's one of my favorite human beings on the planet
00:28:34
is great because she had I think part of your job when you're
00:28:40
when you're that you should be a little Calm before air yeah
00:28:53
I'm gonna have a panic attack yeah I was in Vincent Price and it was like the second sketch after monologue
00:29:01
and I'm sitting there and I'm like about to pass out and Lauren goes I like this
00:29:07
but why now very Lauren and then we did it and if
00:29:13
you watch the very first one is Eva Longoria I think was the host I Stumble the first minute I Stumble over like
00:29:19
every other line wow I'm so like like discombobulated and wait what did
00:29:26
that mean and what did I just say well also new new cast is hard to get the cards down it's not so simple you know
00:29:33
it takes a while how to look at it of course you were the host in that but do you think this is kind of like unhealthy
00:29:40
what we did there too but I mean I end up having a botched bypass a couple years after I mean when you're what was
00:29:46
our blood pressure in our first few shows autoimmune thing that affects the retina
00:29:53
of my left eye and I've gone to so many people about it I've lost a vision in this eye like all this stuff and
00:29:58
everybody's like really I'm like could stress have caused this and they're like
00:30:04
well yeah you weren't on Saturday Night Live were you you're like yeah live how are you how many stents do you
00:30:12
have did you have any sort of post-traumatic health issues or did you have any
00:30:18
anything that it's stopped it stunted my growth for sure I'm still I'm five seven
00:30:23
oh but I will tell you that before you were just saying when I was on the eighth floor I would go by the elevators
00:30:30
and take a left and there's a bathroom back there and I would just stand there and look at my script and then stall and
00:30:35
just go oh my God and GE would come in and go out and everyone he come with this full amp and I'm like
00:30:42
not here he was the coolest no one no one knows how loud it is in that room when you're when you're like uh doing
00:30:49
the actual show and the band kicks in you can't hear anything it's crazy so I would get really sickened and I think
00:30:55
when I moved to New York I was this fun kid from Arizona and I was of course smashed down uh because I didn't have
00:31:01
any nutrients I didn't know what carbs were back then so it was pizza it was pasta I didn't have a glass of water for
00:31:09
six years I didn't um it was Diet Coke and then my hair got brown because I
00:31:14
didn't know it could get brown but
00:31:22
at noon and so I just and I got like sort of gray uh and I felt
00:31:29
weak and sickly I was like powder you know that movie Powder so I was I'm sort of that guy and then I wasn't really if
00:31:37
I look at it now of how much I I pay attention to eating and food and what goes in and I did not at all then and
00:31:43
then add all the stress of like I I don't know if I'm ever gonna be in Show Business I can't barely make it here and
00:31:50
it's just so much every day you gotta that's all you think about it had to affect something I mean it's sort of my
00:31:56
own doing but it had to affect something the first church chat I popped the tooth yeah well isn't that really no I made
00:32:02
that up I know because I'm just thinking it's like it wasn't the first chitchat your
00:32:08
first show and it became a cold open yeah uh it became the first sketch after update I was in a cold open with Phil
00:32:13
and Jan and I didn't even know I was in the cold open in essence but then the church lady was the first and there's
00:32:20
Church chat if people care but I her hand came up his hand my hand the
00:32:25
character's hands all right I have the dress in the closet and it was drenched in and sweat it was pure and yet the to
00:32:33
be that adrenalized that blood pressure heart pounding and then pretend to be
00:32:39
relaxed it was such a difficult thing but well I want to go over some of your seminal incredible sketches but yeah
00:32:45
just just quickly the acclimation point for me I believe
00:32:50
in a way I was maybe the best I was on the show like the LA my last two shows I
00:32:56
mean I think it took me five years to get to have fun put it that way
00:33:01
because I see the the panic attacks but when I saw and I've said this to you and Fred Armisen you know Batman and Robin
00:33:07
are the you guys I always connected you too because all the great stuff you did is that I said how did you you guys seem
00:33:13
to be having so much fun that last season and you said well we knew it was our last season so we kind of in a good
00:33:19
way didn't give a [ __ ] and then you have fun and then you're great so that process did happen for you right at some
00:33:25
point you got called yeah I mean you would it was still nervous I was still going to the yeah bathroom stall but I
00:33:32
wouldn't like have two it was more like what David's saying you would have your script and you would just kind of
00:33:38
read through your stuff and just have a quiet moment by yourself and then be like all right let me Center myself but
00:33:44
then yeah Fred uh was so loose on the show
00:33:50
um I never saw him get nervous and so he a lot of times and I'm also a very soft
00:33:56
touch like I can't I break constantly so I think that was what he was would bring
00:34:02
to us he loves to break you yeah well just also is a way of like his commitment up yeah it was just so he
00:34:10
would but he would just do little things it was never big things yeah like he did a sketch he wrote called them
00:34:17
short-term memory feeder oh I saw that and the whole thing is
00:34:22
I'm the Doctor Who's worked with all these patients and we're going to run a play and you'll see that none of these people forget their lines because they
00:34:28
had short-term memory loss you keep hammering at home that there's absolutely no way
00:34:34
they will not you mark my word they will not miss a single single line and then 80 Bryant comes out immediately goes up
00:34:41
under lines and I have to cure and that's the bit is that I'm cueing everybody I just watched that so [ __ ]
00:34:47
hilarious red it's supposed to be in the 40s like a you know like a Arthur Miller play or
00:34:54
something and Fred to [ __ ] with me came in in a present-day New York Giants yeah
00:34:59
I saw that and then I said give me the jacket and
00:35:07
he said is the play over Dude I wrote down something from that
00:35:14
because you go uh because I just watched and I was laughing and Vince Vaughn is
00:35:20
in it too right Vince Vaughn and you go uh you go it has my keys in it you go
00:35:25
Janna has everyone's keys because they're all obviously gonna they
00:35:32
can't be without their [ __ ] that's I thought it was so funny and then I watched five years in a row that were
00:35:38
home runs and this is uh I kept going you have to laugh in this one when you were doing the one where you're [ __ ]
00:35:44
screaming as a fireman I was like I didn't know where it was going and you start going crazy I go there's no way
00:35:50
you kept saying wow what and you oh yeah that was uh that was a John Solomon and
00:35:58
uh Rob Klein wrote that one and they and it I don't know where it came from it was just one of those great things where
00:36:04
you come to the table and it's a [ __ ] home run and they're like yeah we went nuts last night we you're this like very
00:36:10
effeminate firefighter that's mad that your girlfriend's there with uh
00:36:17
and you know what Jim Downey was there and Jim Downey was laughing really hard for sure
00:36:23
he was losing his mind during that sketch and then we came in to address for her soul and then we came into the
00:36:29
meeting before air and they had all the cards up and Downey started crying laughing and I was like that's
00:36:36
interesting and he goes and he goes the name of that sketch is the firehouse incident
00:36:43
for him and he goes he goes it's so needlessly mysterious
00:36:50
yeah that Jim does have that capacity to identify exactly why it's funny yeah
00:36:57
because it's needlessly mysterious yeah and that and we were just that's my my
00:37:02
memory of doing that show was being in the meeting just crying to make Downy laugh is Big also I thought it was when
00:37:10
everyone's plays it straight Adam Levine yeah I'll give it to him too when everyone plays the straight it's so
00:37:15
hilarious and it's it's asking a lot of everyone to a not laugh and B just played straight and then I think Sicily
00:37:22
or someone comes over and goes out of nowhere hey I guess they just canceled the b in apartment C and you go
00:37:32
insane oh my God I think I grab a dog yeah yeah
00:37:38
open the window and they all say no you fit to tax you and then the dog attacks
00:37:43
me yeah yeah and we're not that was one of those ones where it's just like a gift that
00:37:50
the writers were like I don't know what what happened but we've they wrote another one with me where I was like
00:37:56
this kind of the the guy in a puppet class yeah
00:38:01
Anthony Coleman yeah and that was another one where you go to the table and there's like a sock puppet on your
00:38:07
pile of scripts with a little note on it like nice you know puppet class could
00:38:12
you use this please John and Ryan hysterical and you're like figuring it
00:38:17
out as you go along those guys my last season because Mulaney had left and um John Solomon and Rob Klein wrote
00:38:25
they really wrote some great stuff for me that I mean those two right there are like by the way I was I was wondering
00:38:31
during puppet class how uh it must be a little hard to get your lines get the puppet get them to
00:38:37
kiss get around and try to kiss you you know and everything you had to do was like two things going on at once and
00:38:43
make sure the camera's on your face and then the puppets fade they had to do that so those can be complicated and then it comes off without a hitch yeah
00:38:50
that one the the most difficult thing everybody was like oh was it making the puppet smoke
00:38:56
and that was you know those things were like they cut to someone else and then you have
00:39:01
was Flanagan there with you guys the guy who made [ __ ] no no anyway I was the guy
00:39:07
who made the puppet he would be there and then all the they're hooking [ __ ] up to you real fast yeah yeah you know and
00:39:13
you're like Jesus this is the you know and then yeah they what they
00:39:19
don't see is the guys are all like on the floor right you know your feet right yeah it's complicated it was one of
00:39:25
those things where the smoke came out you're like oh thank God that [ __ ] works yeah yeah it doesn't work all during the
00:39:34
week yeah they're doing like that's
00:39:39
like please yeah we we had barf ones where they put the barf in a tube up your arm and then
00:39:46
I think it was Fred Wilford one where maybe it was gallec Baldwin every cop that walks up to a scene and goes God
00:39:53
damn and then they go radar yeah and it's even funnier but if it
00:40:00
doesn't come out it sucks yeah it's and there's a guy pumping next to him going give it more gas Joe and you're like
00:40:06
we're live you're no we can't get more gas yeah they're the host once right I
00:40:12
had a puppet it was a different sketch but I had a puppet that was supposed to throw up on a host in the post
00:40:18
was angry about it the most didn't like that the
00:40:24
so between dress and error and the meeting they were like oh and hey can we do something about that puppet you know
00:40:29
when the host sounds off and everybody's like um excuse me oh no
00:40:36
um well the writer who wrote that I was like you know second year cast member so I
00:40:42
was like oh geez yeah sure sorry you know but the guy I wrote it with it was his last show
00:40:48
so he was just quiet did he go hey [ __ ] you we're doing it so we go over and
00:40:53
we're doing the sketch and I see him talking to the special effects guys and the guys are pumping the water thing and
00:41:00
it was like you know when you have like a pellet gun it's getting hard
00:41:05
so we're doing the sketch and I go to pick this thing up and I pick up the puppet and it's vibrating it's so full
00:41:13
ready to go explode
00:41:18
and on air this stuff it was like a firehouse I hope this guy right in the face I was
00:41:24
like and he's expecting nothing now instead of a little bit acting like a water fountain yeah he actually said oh we
00:41:31
want like a drinking fountain like a little right and it's just way nice like it hits so hard that the puppets flew
00:41:37
off and so it's just the nozzle of the on the air show yeah
00:41:44
oh I have to give you like speaking of all that kind of stuff because it's hard sometimes to get all this [ __ ] on you
00:41:49
when you're during a show so you gotta wig but uh you did one with uh like a
00:41:55
Hollywood type of show with Scarlett Johansson and Kristen Wiig and Scarlett Johansson first of all is an unsung hero
00:42:01
she's kind of a sleeper because every sketch I see her in she's great in yeah she's awesome yeah she's really
00:42:06
committed and then she kills it and then that one was just a funny one where you two were acting like idiots and it was
00:42:13
just another surprising Sketchbook yes Hollywood dish yeah it was the thing of you guys have done it where people
00:42:19
interview you and then wow you're talking they can't talk yeah
00:42:25
right and you explain that you can't overlap it like yeah so I was and it's
00:42:30
like making faces you know and they're mouthing words and stuff and so Kristen
00:42:38
and I I think had done press for something and we were doing that the whole time and then it was like oh we
00:42:43
should probably write that you know right and you also had some different moves in it though so it wasn't like just that change up you know what the
00:42:52
one you saw probably I don't know if it was that one because we did that one a couple times I don't know if you guys have ever had this happen where at dress
00:42:57
there was a thing where I'm drinking a Slurpee and someone says something
00:43:03
shocking and I go and I like throw the Slurpee full giant big gulp right into
00:43:09
wig's face yeah and she just has tons of slurpure and then I throw a thing on her head
00:43:14
so we did an address perfect of course on here
00:43:19
fully miss her it goes in front of her doesn't hit her at all oh my God and I
00:43:25
can the only sound and doesn't get a laugh because everybody was like oh something went wrong
00:43:31
and I can hear Lauren it's so bad when you're at home base and I can hear Lauren under the bleachers going ah [ __ ]
00:43:38
oh that's terrible and didn't Kristen break did she did she
00:43:44
break on that sketch no no I don't know so there's another one maybe what you
00:43:50
see now is dress like she was like okay so when I got done he was like West Coast you'll see dress oh good okay well
00:43:58
you did a spit take in her [ __ ] Grill too which was high sterical yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you realize those are all
00:44:05
the things that work you know and I'm like oh I'm gonna have these really cerebral weird things
00:44:13
right now it works is fitting in someone's face funny funny with the
00:44:18
sound off Never Never Fails the sound up is perfect exactly exactly what about herb Welch
00:44:25
oh that was based on a that was John Mulaney and I wrote that that was nice [Music] a guy we all kind of know in a way to
00:44:33
retired a long time ago the the video or yeah it was like a YouTube video where
00:44:39
the guys they got an argument on on here yeah all right what'd you say
00:44:46
um yeah that one was also from the combination of that and then I was
00:44:51
having to play I always got cast as like reporters or games
00:44:57
like Phil Hartman was our guy doing that you know I was always the guy that was
00:45:03
like we need a setup so we'll they'll put me in going like I'm here now at this
00:45:09
school where you know whatever yeah so we were rehearsing with Emma Stone and
00:45:14
for that sketch and I had a microphone and I was just like hitting people with hitting here in the face yeah her and I
00:45:21
was hitting a wig and just [ __ ] around with it and then again I'm not I
00:45:26
go oh that's fun and mullaney was like we should maybe write that up oh yeah like he was the guy that would
00:45:33
go what if we did that as a sketch and I was like oh oh is that what we do here oh okay yeah Emma again good in that and
00:45:42
uh everyone was good and then you go over but I did you only do that once or did you do that a bunch of times so
00:45:49
funny we did it with um and then when I hosted the first time I
00:45:56
did it um actually it has an improvisational
00:46:02
vibe to it you know the funny thing about her Welch was this gave me a really interesting insight into TV
00:46:08
critics was there was someone who would write because when I was there at the after
00:46:13
party everybody's on their phone people are writing about the show wow we
00:46:19
did not have that yeah so we would all everybody is at their table going so and so at this site hates it so and
00:46:27
so oh that fast WOW 7 out of 10 on the
00:46:32
AV club couchpotato.com you're just like oh my God and
00:46:38
and there was one guy who would do a scorecard every show so everybody would read the scorecard
00:46:44
and he at the end of the season did his year Roundup and he was like favorite sketch least favorite sketch and his
00:46:51
least favorite character was hurt no he doesn't know [ __ ] what an idiot this is
00:46:56
terrible it's racist and it's racist misogynistic and terrible and I'm like
00:47:02
well he's like an ancient [ __ ] I don't think it's Pro that yeah the
00:47:08
sketch isn't Pro him um but it's a grumpy old man that's the old man but then um then a year later I
00:47:16
was doing press for something and they brought a guy in and it was the guy oh I wrote this so I'm talking about
00:47:22
another thing with him and then as he leaves he goes hey can I tell you what character of yours I really love
00:47:29
I love her Welch what what so all right wait a minute table man I gotta be
00:47:36
honest you said he was the worst character in the you know that year or whatever
00:47:43
and he goes yeah yeah a guy I work with read that and was like kind of bummed out and he goes no you should check it
00:47:48
out you you know really watch it and I watched it again I was like oh yeah this is good oh so we're suffering that kind of gave
00:47:55
me a whole I was like oh this is how it is with this show you know what I mean like it's
00:48:02
like it's it was like that day that at that moment the guy hated it and now a
00:48:08
year later he's like oh it was really nice and then the opposite will happen or someone the thing they love then you
00:48:14
run into them they're like actually I watched that again it doesn't age well you know or whatever yeah well isn't it fun I just about
00:48:21
because I saw it this morning too just seeing it again which I love when I saw it first of all it's it's low energy in
00:48:27
a way like it's it's the opposite of the firehouse incident yeah it's getting huge laughs so then you have the task of
00:48:33
uh I don't know if you could do it now but Kristen wig is trans or something and then you go herb goes with the mic
00:48:39
over her body yeah yeah oh and so that like did you was that choreographed
00:48:47
like I'll do because the crowd's going crazy are you going a little bit more on the air show
00:48:53
because yeah I think probably a little bit more I was I started laughing because when I hit her in the crotch wig
00:48:59
made a sound right so then yeah that she did a little sound and I started
00:49:05
laughing so you looked away a couple times it's looked away because she went yeah and so instead of breaking in front
00:49:12
of the crowd you just looked away and came back but yeah you're right we probably yeah
00:49:18
you couldn't do that now well yeah yeah if I had Ching change you know in 1988
00:49:26
County wrote for us that no I don't know
00:49:32
even at the time I was like I couldn't do it great I don't know about that thing I went down he goes there's just
00:49:39
something in like something about there's something there's something about it's very precious it's a little
00:49:45
too precious this is something very funny about when you say this line you want to go up and then when you go this
00:49:51
way now he's kind of he's kind of in this thing you've missed it out with you and good
00:49:56
it's that whole thing it's just more the idea yeah I know he was good with the
00:50:01
Rhythm yeah I mean I you know I really like Downey but yeah he yeah he would really go it was you know he was always
00:50:09
goading me on Hollywood minute to go harder he goes you're a [ __ ] you're a [ __ ] you're not doing this don't act
00:50:16
like you're doing it and I go I'll do it he goes no you won't don't even talk about it and I just sit there and go I go first of all you're the guy that's
00:50:21
gonna fire me uh because yeah exactly and it's like you don't have to go out there he's my boss and then he wants me
00:50:27
to do it but he'd be like hey bad news I have to fire you over that joke
00:50:33
but I would say Dana I'm just jumping around but when you said well
00:50:40
that you were good the last year when you were telling everyone you were really good on the show the last year
00:50:46
um earlier last two three whatever whatever I'm joking but but you got more
00:50:51
relaxed and I think the idea of that I wanted to jump in from 10 minutes ago is
00:50:56
that I think you guys in the same spot maybe not as much Dana or Bill but I never
00:51:03
knew if I was coming back and every summer he'd say I don't know if he's right for the show but you know we don't
00:51:10
know if we're gonna bring him back to me about me and then they would at the last minute and so you can't relax in that
00:51:17
situation and and that's fair it's a business he doesn't know and if he wants to cut me like a baseball team he
00:51:23
doesn't want to have a long-term deal so I'm you know going check to check going if I don't get on for three shows or
00:51:30
don't score this is it it's curtains and so maybe you or possibly in that same
00:51:36
position where it's your last year you don't really care because there's no high stakes anymore you're going anyway
00:51:41
yeah I mean I'm also say and you guys had this I mean you did Tommy Boy and
00:51:47
Dana what you were doing Wayne's World were you still on wings yeah I was on
00:51:52
the show yeah it came out yeah those were huge I mean did that give you guys a bit
00:51:58
of confidence like oh yeah boy came out and we were like hot rod after my first you know I was
00:52:05
like well I was in a movie
00:52:14
even if the movie didn't do well they put me in a movie I guess yeah I was
00:52:20
really naive too you know yeah I I I I I know what you're saying and I sort of did uh I think it was right in the
00:52:26
Hollywood it was probably three years I was on six after three when I got to four I go I think I'm gonna push the
00:52:32
suit now I was held as a feature player longer than Schneider Rock and Farley
00:52:38
and Sandler so I I had an extra year so I'm like maybe it's just not for me I
00:52:44
mean I'm not a big character guy so I I sort of saw what they saw and I go I can score maybe here and there but I'm not
00:52:49
I'm not a full utility player like they need here dude that's so funny you say that
00:52:55
because I was I was watching you know massive fan during those years and it seemed like
00:53:00
you were very much Michael J fox casual oh yeah hey what
00:53:08
are you doing here you know here's here's my new one Daniel Day Lewis was that so much from There
00:53:14
Will Be Blood this is my shot and partner HW that's pretty good Dana I have a
00:53:21
competition problem I have company so I should win you you did that speaker
00:53:28
that drink your milkshake I love that Daniel playview as a sketch can you give us you want to go into it for a second
00:53:37
I was like you know the thing to get into it yeah yeah yeah like all day I
00:53:43
was going I'm an oil yeah
00:53:51
it's like this is um down in you know uh Milwaukee Wisconsin and it's like I'm
00:53:58
doing a voice so I'm working on saying Milwaukee Wisconsin and then for some reason they change it
00:54:04
to Kenosha uh right before air or something where can I go
00:54:09
Kenosha change it to Kenosha and it was like oh we just liked Kenosha and I was like I'm doing a voice
00:54:19
thing I can kind of it's not malleable in a way where I can just start riffing
00:54:24
in it you know yeah I don't know if you ever had [ __ ] like that we were like of course there's like all these weird
00:54:29
lateral moves at the last minute that would throw you and then they're like you blew it
00:54:35
just do one phrase and repeat it that's that's the key I I never really that's me in the bathroom before the sketch you
00:54:41
just go in there and you go have I prepped enough you're like it's coming up if I've been [ __ ] around or we're
00:54:48
Walling Joseph's are we bullshitting in the writer's room like I gotta go lock in and go okay I'm going out there I don't want to go sometimes I'm out there
00:54:54
even in stand up sometimes you're in the middle of the show you go [ __ ] I just I was in a Groove because I've done so
00:55:00
many shows a week but I didn't go over right before I went on and just think like okay what am I gonna walk out you
00:55:06
just gotta yeah it's fear of like being on National Television going
00:55:12
wait what yeah did did you yeah really seriously I don't even know what I'm
00:55:18
reading did you do cold openings I mean because I had a lot of those right to the camera I did one cold
00:55:24
pressure wise he hated the cold open I did one that Downey wrote where I was uh
00:55:31
Spitzer land Spitzer yeah Governor Spitzer and it was
00:55:36
me talking for you know seven minutes yeah I just I just after that was done I
00:55:42
went and just was like I don't think I can do that again that was like I really was I was terrified is it there not that
00:55:50
many laugh lines in it or would just it was just too much too much dialogue it's just yeah it's just like
00:55:57
it's and it's I love Jim I love Jim so much but it's dry you know it's uh
00:56:03
you're starting off the show doing like this dry thing and it gets lacked they're ready to laugh they it is they
00:56:10
are pumped and excited and the band's playing and it's like 10 seconds five
00:56:17
seconds and then you come out with this thing that you know for the first four minutes of it is kind of like set up and
00:56:24
here's a dry bit go yes and try it you know and I love but it worked it got it
00:56:29
it by the way really funny but for my anxiety it was like the first four minutes of this is like
00:56:36
actually not has no jokes that's tough you know yeah you had to do
00:56:43
that [ __ ] all the time dude I feel like I well first of all I just wanted for uh SNL listeners the the cold open is when
00:56:50
the studio is just getting ready to do the show someone screams out 10 seconds five seconds and then the
00:56:58
studio the rest of the show there's ambient noise of them moving stuff around while the sketches it's the only
00:57:04
one where this the whole studio goes dead quiet true if this doesn't go well the show has to dig out from under it
00:57:11
yes you know yes so the it's the pressure spot I had a lot of props and I just started waving my arms a lot gotta
00:57:18
dang you know just to survive well you're happy
00:57:23
those that has like an energy to it yeah it had high energy makes everyone else eventually yeah and then by the time
00:57:30
you're doing Bush and stuff the minute would come on we were always like yeah but it was like a big character but it
00:57:36
was when it was a thing like a topical thing yes and Elliot Spitzer was not as you
00:57:42
know it was only a it was a big story for a week and no one knew what he talked like it was you know I think
00:57:49
after that I was in cold opens but it was like it will bring you to Congress urine yeah
00:57:56
there was one time I had to go into the booth because I recorded a
00:58:01
a uh thing for the pre-tape you know the scroll like you know this week in
00:58:07
Alabama blah blah blah blah blah blah you know yeah yeah whatever current thing happened
00:58:12
and they randomly and they go the tape's not working you got to go do it live uh so I ran into the
00:58:18
the booth put my headphones on and it's just everyone yelling and screaming is
00:58:24
he in the booth is he in the booth and I'm like I'm here right now it's like all right and go now we're live oh that Don Pardo Booth over there yeah yeah and
00:58:30
there's no uh scroll oh the script
00:58:36
and I'm reading over black because something went wrong so I'm reading over black I'm trying to
00:58:42
remember what I did I did it Thursday wow okay I do the whole thing
00:58:49
my Jesus Christ yeah and I the sketch starts and I go to sit down Pardo's in
00:58:55
there oh Don Pardo and party goes get off of me
00:59:04
get off of me bill hater the great Don Potter get off my foot the whole time I
00:59:11
was doing that he was just sitting on the thing in that small booth and I didn't see him because I was so freaked
00:59:16
out and then I was like oh Jesus Christ I'm sorry it's like he's on the toilet and you sit on him
00:59:24
Rob Schneider
00:59:30
he was Jim Belushi you've heard that right no oh yeah someone underline gym
00:59:40
there's a dick move to Jim Belushi
00:59:46
[Music] we can't do everything about you but we
00:59:51
should say should we talk about Barry or your I I think I my wife did not realize
00:59:57
that you went into Second City and was discovered in a backyard doing improv so oh yeah that might be interesting for a
01:00:04
second but your trajectory to SNL was sort of interesting in that way and then
01:00:10
your story honest and all became fascinating because you are a Hall of Famer yeah you're a first ballot Hall of
01:00:16
Famer put it this way Bill that's what I say to people if someone said to me Bill Hader was the greatest of all time
01:00:23
sketch player in SNL I wouldn't slug them in the face that's really sweet I would have to think you are coming from
01:00:29
you guys yeah you had a great cast though too you were surrounded by solid [ __ ] Kristen Wiig Andy Samberg Jace uh
01:00:36
Will Forte Fred armors and Amy Poehler I mean Seth Meyers Daryl Hammond Jason Sudeikis are your bandmates I mean yeah
01:00:43
my yeah Maya Rudolph was there it was crazy yeah I was Keenan Thompson
01:00:51
Kian Thompson's actually the guy that I would sit he would do these those what up with that sketches and I was so
01:00:57
anxious on air and I would sit and watch him do those because I was I had no lines and those
01:01:02
sketches and I would just sit there and think like I just need to get to be like that that loose and have that much fun
01:01:10
on air look how much fun he is having he doesn't have history I agree I don't think I ever got there he has he's like
01:01:17
behind his Joy is just right behind his eyes and sort of in his mouth you just feel
01:01:23
it when people talk about I was like Keenan Thompson was the guy I was always he would do update I would go out on the
01:01:29
floor to watch him do update because I was just like he's just such a bill he's
01:01:35
such a H it's Keenan do you have to take that if Tina going like what are you saying
01:01:41
about me uh no but it was just he was just one of those guys that when I would uh
01:01:46
I would just I was always kind of knocked out by how loose he was and how
01:01:52
much fun he had and we would be in sketches together yeah I was like God he can just knock
01:01:57
this out it was kind of like what you were saying earlier like you throw anything at him he never seemed thrown
01:02:03
he was just a pro and lovely all the time he's one of those guys he could be bullshitting with
01:02:08
you about something totally innocuous and then you go on live television and he destroys it right and then comes back
01:02:14
and he picks the conversation back up I loved like I'm like you know yeah you
01:02:21
gotta get ready did you did you guys ever hear that you guys weren't that good because obviously
01:02:27
now you look back and and it was always different eyes pretty All-Star I want to
01:02:33
say the Washington Post or something wrote a review my first season that was like who the [ __ ] like me and sadakis
01:02:40
and Forte were interchangeable who do you think you are yeah this is terrible
01:02:46
and living in New York too you didn't you know people would just I remember a
01:02:51
guy in a cab driver went hey yes or no you [ __ ] suck
01:02:58
everybody has the cab drivers or like you know you go into a deli and the guys
01:03:04
are like they don't use you why don't they use you they don't use you anymore they haven't even watched for two years yeah yeah everyone wants to get you
01:03:12
bitter yeah your relatives everybody I go I gotta guys go hey got any movies
01:03:19
coming out it's like the dumbest easiest question I go ah no I gotta do that wrong Missy I didn't see that one
01:03:25
anything else I go well it takes a year to shoot it it takes a year to come out yeah it takes a year to get another one
01:03:30
and I'm like so you missed this year five years behind he's like yeah what else he actually yeah that guy works at
01:03:37
a deli where's Chris Pratt been you never see him anymore I go he was in
01:03:42
Jurassic world and the raccoon one and he goes oh yeah I didn't see those I go well what why am I going by who the [ __ ]
01:03:49
what you're giving Chris if he's not doing well no one is my God like oh my God I didn't see Coda tell me
01:03:58
about coded is that the deaf one is this Chris Pratt or not she's not in [ __ ] she
01:04:04
played coda you know I saw you on Saturday Night Live I thought you were a woman I saw
01:04:10
that woman character guy I think he did I got you a woman well hey uh but the
01:04:16
one I always got was why don't they use you I know why the issue because when
01:04:22
I'm in a wig you don't know it's me oh yeah hey is that show live do you really
01:04:27
think and then for a while it was like what's Kristen wiig's situation what's her
01:04:35
situation she's a nice person what's this situation she stuck up
01:04:42
hey what's up with Dale Hammond is he stuck up
01:04:51
thinking friends looks like a friendly guy I fancy myself on that show once in a
01:04:57
while you know I do look at this with my friends anyway
01:05:03
good luck with that all right
01:05:08
all right let's wrap it up let's talk about Fairy Oh Barry real quick really
01:05:13
quick I'm kidding Barry everyone loves it 30 I mean it's a
01:05:21
it's an unbelievable show it really is uh it's shocking I mean you're this sketch player you're so brilliant at it
01:05:27
you do the voice you do cloudy with meatballs this and that and then I I hear you're gonna do this they're like
01:05:33
huh what'll that be like I was like one of those guys what are you going all drama for you're [ __ ] funny but then the show is brilliant and you're
01:05:39
brilliant in it and the first show of the first season where your character comes in and watches the acting class
01:05:47
and you're not saying anything just in that moment it was like the show just
01:05:52
completely hooked me right there yeah you know and of course because I like people like your cast you know Stefan
01:05:59
root I mean yeah yeah so [ __ ] great Sarah Goldberg Anthony care Carrick is
01:06:06
amazing Tiffany Kerrigan is NoHo Hank yeah NoHo Hank really love you uh and of
01:06:12
course Henry Winkler is so brilliant congratulations Hank Winker you just had
01:06:18
it's Hank Winkler I'll say I haven't you know the nicest guy in the world I'm at
01:06:24
The Improv in 1981 I do I think a mediocre set I go outside in the bar I've not been on TV or anything I just
01:06:31
hear a voice behind me going Stella Stella it was a stellar performance and
01:06:38
it's Henry Winkler smooth as silk you landed all your jokes oh he's so just
01:06:44
looking nice talking to you you must have [ __ ] your pants Dana yeah it was Henry Winkler it
01:06:51
was a big big deal to for him to give me that at that point Atascadero there be honest
01:06:57
you know sorry that's from Happy Days Friedman was Take It Outside
01:07:03
Take It Outside so what what do you
01:07:09
so uh in this very thing what do you want to say about Barry yeah season three three words or less make it
01:07:16
publicist happy I'm just talking like a little scary when is it third season 24th okay so April 24th uh I think today
01:07:26
the trailer the the official trailer came out so today this comes out in two years okay
01:07:34
um a bill is this the one where you direct all of them no I directed uh five
01:07:40
of them and uh uh yeah so I really love directing that's like I love doing it it's so much
01:07:47
fun but it does it's this weird thing where people are like oh how do you act and direct but you kind of
01:07:53
write a character that doesn't talk a lot [Laughter]
01:07:58
to worry about that and then when I get the lines it's hard to do it all I can't even
01:08:04
[ __ ] act I can't do anything when SNL was you know who it was it was actually Chris Rock was the guy I was talking to
01:08:11
I was like yeah I might I want to direct at some point and I asked him because he directed and he goes if you could do SNL you can direct because you have to you
01:08:19
sort of direct your sketches right you saw your sketches yeah so when we did the pilot for Barry me talking to you
01:08:27
know you know heads of departments and props yeah I kind of knew I had
01:08:33
confidence in what I wanted and stuff but that was totally from SNL from doing that you know it's hard when they go
01:08:38
what kind of drapes do you want like these are these yeah and you go uh I'm just worried about the jokes yeah you're
01:08:44
good at going that one this one you got to make a hundred of those a day yeah all day a and then and then they go
01:08:51
well the ones you pick now don't work and it's like okay well which ones do work oh that's great love it you know whatever yeah but I think having been
01:08:59
having that confidence and I think the thing that SNL did I don't know what you guys feel about but took that like Romanticism out of like creating you
01:09:07
know and it was just like we had to do a show on Saturday
01:09:13
there was no I have to go look out a window and write in my notebook character yeah I think
01:09:19
it's like no we gotta we're like under a table up on the 17th Floor eating pizza
01:09:25
yeah scribbling yeah real quick you know or you know reading yeah in the bathroom going [ __ ] okay I gotta go do this on
01:09:32
National Television five minutes you know so everything seems downhill after that it's easy after that yeah bill I have a
01:09:40
director question sometimes because I don't I've never directed anything and I wonder when the director yells action
01:09:48
uh there's a times there's some sets have been on where the first aid yells action I don't like it yeah
01:09:54
I think to be a director the only thing you want to do is yell action that's the whole fun thing I actually I totally get
01:10:01
that and I've been on those sets too I actually have like my first ad sometimes
01:10:07
you have first IDs and they're kind of like you know you work well together but you're not partners
01:10:14
whatever this guy Gavin Klein top who I is like my partner in the thing he's
01:10:20
like a he's amazing he's also a big film geek so like that episode you're talking
01:10:26
about Dana where you don't see the guy I can explain to him yeah the Karate Girl episode and go this is a coverage and he
01:10:33
goes I totally get it you know yeah I'll figure out how to make that work so he says it he does say it but
01:10:39
also I'm in scenes and there is a thing working with people and you're in a
01:10:45
scene together a thing that I've been doing that all the actors are like can you please stop doing it is because I'm writing the
01:10:51
stuff too is I'm mouthing the work yeah can I can I tell you what else did that
01:10:58
Johnny Carson really when I was first out in this thing because I you do the
01:11:03
prep interview and so I would see his mouth moving along you know I'm going isn't that special and Johnny's going
01:11:09
here so special yeah same thing so wow how did you do you get rid of that or that would make yourself Henry was very
01:11:16
sweet like the hill you're doing a great job but it froze me a little bit
01:11:21
when you're mouthing along with me especially in some of these more intense scenes oh wow I'm like oh I'm so sorry
01:11:28
yeah I'm sorry so yeah it is like you know Conan does that a little bit
01:11:34
when I remember being uncomfortable yeah yeah Conan will do it again yeah I
01:11:41
didn't want to say Conan because he's a good friend is someone who does it you know but but listen when you look at
01:11:49
that old and not to bring it back that one Gap girls lay off me I'm starving I'm so scared it won't do well and it
01:11:55
won't do as good as dress I am mouthing along really and I I didn't really heard someone say that before but now that
01:12:01
you're saying it I go you can see it in the sketch because you're so in I want
01:12:07
him to nail it so perfectly and I'm like kill this and please make sure this works you know and I think everybody
01:12:12
kind of thinks like we're just having fun up there but it's like there's so much pressure but I didn't know I was
01:12:18
doing it and probably you didn't know no idea was doing it and I've had Stephen Root and Henry Winkler both said yeah
01:12:27
please please stop mowing along with us and I'm like I am so sorry but it is
01:12:32
you're just so locked into you know what what's happened do you like one one Hallmark of
01:12:40
a show that's really working is that every there's no weakness like every actor on Barry seems like that's the
01:12:47
person that had to play that part and they're so good so you psychologically and with all your experience do you
01:12:53
change your directing style depending on who you're talking to in terms of like that little note right before you go
01:12:59
trying to give them confidence oh yeah I mean like Steven root and Sarah Goldberg
01:13:04
are feeder people you know like very theater trained and so okay you know
01:13:12
um they they come in pretty prepared Sarah especially like she is super prepared so it's like gentle like or
01:13:19
maybe have like a little private moment in the middle of this or maybe try this but yeah and then you know Henry is is
01:13:26
kind of free-flowing kind of you know yeah yeah so you
01:13:32
emotional emotional and so he's kind of oh he needs more
01:13:38
you know like we did a scene this season where he he has to enter it really angry
01:13:43
and so he was like I could see him being angry and stuff and so he was taking a
01:13:48
broom and throwing it on the ground and I was like oh good can make sure props has a broom there for him we'll never
01:13:53
see it but he needs something to just kind of go away smash something and then enter the scene you know oh okay and uh
01:14:02
you know stuff like that you know yeah and then a lot of as you try to stay out of their way but then I do in that way
01:14:09
of like because I'm also acting in it um it's a thing I've had to try to reign
01:14:15
in is I can't help but be like you know it and this is also at SNL I
01:14:21
have no problem if it was a sketch I am like you know it's more like we were saying about Downing you know the rhythm
01:14:27
is this yeah
01:14:36
I had no problem going to Andy or somebody and going like you know it's yeah you know oh yeah and people what
01:14:44
people would ask for it if you were the writer of the sketch I would ask like well what are you thinking here yeah
01:14:49
yeah the hardest the that's John mulaney's
01:14:56
favorite sketch we ever wrote it died at trash but but yeah I know
01:15:12
yeah we did it at Largo with you yeah you were there yeah yeah and we we if
01:15:19
the audience hasn't hooked a premise and sometimes that SNL just gets lost that first 30 seconds what is going on here
01:15:26
and then it just you know but it was a quiet sketch and very dry but at Largo we really set it up yeah yeah we had
01:15:32
them on our side surprise and my yeah but yeah the point yeah that thing and Barry is like you can't go hey the
01:15:38
rhythm is this yeah people will go yeah please don't tell me how to some people literally go
01:15:45
give me a give me a line reading yeah sometimes that'll happen uh not so much I'm Barry but sometimes
01:15:51
Henry will be like just tell me how you want me to say it yeah um but yeah everybody's a little
01:15:58
different you know um and mostly I just know you guys know from acting and things the biggest thing I think is actors just don't they don't
01:16:05
want to look like idiots they don't want to look foolish they want to make sure they're right they want confidence like
01:16:10
I've never understood that's it I've worked with with directors that their whole thing is kind of brow beating you
01:16:19
but at the same time smart actors can kind of sniff out if everything's great
01:16:25
definitely good either yeah where it's like beautiful beautiful I love it I
01:16:30
love it people yeah Frank Wolf would always go oh that's great that's really great very good oh this is incredible
01:16:37
um you know you might want to just try this one thing which I I appreciate that about him I was never in a movie with
01:16:42
him like David but uh I think that that is the challenge of being a director what I had a director give me 10 notes
01:16:49
between takes ten ten and it was just like it turned into nothing more energy
01:16:55
less energy yeah yeah right or people being like
01:17:00
you know very precious about the words you know like you'd see sometimes of an
01:17:05
actor's like you know struggling with a line you can go just say it and how you would say it but here's the information
01:17:13
that we want to get across is this you know right I've been locked into lines they get really mad if you change one
01:17:19
word one word were you do were you doing and they yeah they change if you change one word because it sounds more real and
01:17:26
they go now we gotta do the whole thing over and you go what happened you go you flip these two and you go it's the same
01:17:31
exact thought I get I get it's your writing but no I had that once on a show or movie where the writer was director
01:17:40
and came over and was like you know there's a comma there for a reason and I was like yeah exactly
01:17:46
[Music] yeah trying to spice it up I'm trying to
01:17:52
give it but you know as long as the the general thing is there you know I
01:17:58
don't I'm not I'm not that stoked on if we can time find something better yeah
01:18:03
Sarah Goldberg and Anthony Kerrigan especially are two people who can come in and make will come up with lines or say Anthony
01:18:11
will just improvise if this Arrow was like Hey I was working on it and I was thinking maybe I could say this this and this and I'm like oh yeah try that you
01:18:16
know that's perfect so it's not over rehearsed and they could just do it yeah try stuff in a way and then
01:18:23
but then yeah you know I've done this too though where you improvise a thing and it's like now we're getting way off
01:18:28
course yeah the story is this you guys are going over here can we you know so it's
01:18:34
like it's like a nice balance I think of of that you know with people but I do
01:18:40
think when you're acting with people it's hard because they're seeing Partners telling them what to do you
01:18:47
know so that's always I'm always very conscious of that you know when yeah I
01:18:53
wonder have you done a Woody Allen movie I guess no one does it anymore but you know it's starting to be facetious yeah
01:19:03
Andre Previn John kuzak told me once he goes you know
01:19:09
you sounds like you you're acting you know so you should try to make it seem like you're not like just acting you
01:19:15
know because oh that was a note yeah which is maybe the writer because maybe the writer which would be me no you're a
01:19:21
wonderful you're a beautiful intelligent woman
01:19:28
you have a beautiful intelligent boys but talk about a writer director so it looks like uh if I had to guess you'll
01:19:35
you'll do whatever seasons of Barry and then you'll you'll be out off on the reservation being a film director which
01:19:42
you dreamed of at age at age 10. yeah yeah yeah pretty much yeah but it's fun
01:19:48
you know it's been the weird circuitous road to the thing that you always wanted to do but it's fun
01:19:54
how fun that you get to do a show and you get to be in it and what what a blast and it represents your sensibility
01:20:02
what you want you're working with like-minded people your partner Alex you know yeah yeah and you you know it's
01:20:09
dark and this season especially is incredibly you know brutal at times but I I don't know it's
01:20:17
nice to kind of have that in it and it just feels right again it's that instinct thing it's like we're talking
01:20:22
about death and people getting murdered and stuff yeah I I wondered about that watching season
01:20:28
one and season two the darkness and the lightness and the comedy beats you know right on the edge you know you must have
01:20:34
been thinking about that as you go along how funny can this be before it takes us away from the story always threading the
01:20:42
needle with that but but but doing it beautifully it's working you know yeah this season was definitely like oh let's
01:20:48
push that maybe a little bit when you're trying to be honest with what the the uh material list but sometimes I
01:20:57
wonder if it's just getting older you see friends getting older and people are dying yeah you want to go darker I gotta
01:21:04
start to be yeah you know life happens and it's like oh if I'm gonna do this we
01:21:10
should be kind of honest about it or I feel like I did the show in my 20s it'd be a little bit more glib right yeah
01:21:16
it's an inevitable trajectory as as life beats up that [ __ ] really happens on
01:21:21
this planet and to everybody wow wow
01:21:34
Bill's like oh Jesus Christ Bill uh do you have anything more you
01:21:39
want to say because we loved having you I had a great time oh man it's like awesome being here and yeah man it's
01:21:45
crazy I I'm being genuine it's very cool getting to talk to you guys I'm still
01:21:50
yeah it's just awesome uh well we're I'm up on the ladder from you I'm up uh
01:21:56
David's a half step down for me and you're the other way down so thank you I
01:22:01
I'm an elder at this point which is great but look how fit I am I mean it's it's amazing my my energy I looked Stark
01:22:07
it's amazing yeah I know you can't see it listen no I feel good I'm working on a scripted podcast with my sons which is
01:22:13
so much fun it's like making a movie very difficult uh just all voice acting
01:22:19
and effects but I'm having a blast doing that it's called the weird place David a little plug before we go this will be
01:22:24
our biggest episode oh yeah go on the road watch me at davidstv.com no I'm kidding
01:22:33
wait do you know that your son your impression of your sons is The Californians I was flattered that Fred
01:22:39
Armisen told me that I I thought it could I mean I feel that voice was in The Ether but it was really pretty much
01:22:46
all we're gonna do today yeah yeah it's you impersonating yourself yeah and and
01:22:52
in the first first time they did that sketch he was doing a different voice okay oh and then he switched it out oh
01:22:59
and then a dress he came out and went wait a minute we're like if you see it I
01:23:06
think it's online
01:23:12
that's where that sketch when it first hit me that you you were all gonna do that voice and then talk about how to
01:23:18
drive around La that has hit me like a ton of bricks it's so [ __ ] I'm gonna take thousands
01:23:24
well there was a bit we did when we come back from L.A and you would be at the table waiting for Lauren to show up on
01:23:31
Wednesday yeah and then everybody would go hey I just went to LA and it's like and then someone go how'd you get there
01:23:37
it's like well I took you know but the deal with those voices now I'm
01:23:42
gonna take 405. no that's your your impression of your son is the voice we're doing all right I'll take that
01:23:49
all right thanks all right Bill thanks Bill see you at the reunion at SCC we'll run into each other and look forward to
01:23:56
the third season of Barry yeah all right thanks take well peace hey what's up
01:24:01
flies what's up please what's up people that listen we want to hear from you and your dumb questions questions ask us
01:24:07
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01:24:15
Dana we've got a question from our from our fans yeah okay thanks to ask us to
01:24:21
get right to us okay uh Oleg p Oleg says hola no Oleg says hello
01:24:30
Dana and David Dana first for some reason and uh who is the funniest
01:24:35
non-comedian you've ever worked with uh Anthony Hopkins okay I did a movie
01:24:41
with him and uh what movie It's called road to wellville oh did you so much so
01:24:48
uh it's probably not but he was in it Bridget Fonda John kuzak uh period piece
01:24:53
about the invention of cereal it's called a red something oh I blew it
01:25:01
what's that movie out right now red hour angry something Angry Red Lobster angry guy it's a Pixar movie
01:25:09
free guy it's about angry look it up right the [ __ ] now anyway Daniel okay
01:25:14
the funniest non-comedian I've ever worked with is Anthony Hopkins because he started out as an impressionist so he
01:25:22
would do like you on the set I I would do Jimmy Stewart yeah well what are you doing Tony and he would do Carrie Grant
01:25:29
I can't believe it I can't believe we're making the motion picture together okay that's for the Boomers and then I would
01:25:35
do Garth and he would do Hannibal Lecter and that's where we would kill entertaining the crew and Bridget
01:25:42
Fondren yeah I can smell it goth I can smell the licorice guys get away from me
01:25:49
big scary man party on David yeah you got one you
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should have come out presenting at the Oscars with him that would have been funny that you're that
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he won the Oscar because Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were sitting behind my
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wife and I the Oscars and so as a joke I kept standing up to to start a fake
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Standing Ovation every time you know Cruz got really into it so we were both doing the whole time and then when uh
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you know Anthony Hopkins wins the Oscar we did it and then everyone went up ah worked so I gotta standing though uh I
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don't know who mine would be and did you find the name of that movie turning red Dana which is a movie uh
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Pixar and I just found out what it's about and periods
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really the whole movie is turning red meaning it's a girl and she hits like 13
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or whatever and anyway well it's great where can we see yeah
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let's go to the Grove and see that there's a movie also called
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aw why not it's a it's a whole feature film about anal warts
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it says why not I'm making this up I was about to say I'm sorry Greg likes that one dog I mean
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it's a nice topic for a feature film The First Act is a little slow and then it really picks up Union is really funny is uh Brad Pitt is
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also someone who I'd like to see SNL be a host because he is funny and he's uh
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a funny um you know I don't think that's the number one people thing people think
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of him but he's very funny and kind of Sly with it and he'd be a great host he'd [ __ ] kill it probably obviously
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doesn't need to do it but it should do it for the fun of it because I think he would have fun even though it's
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[ __ ] terrifying um well once upon a time in Hollywood which is my favorite movie of the last
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few years I've seen it 12 times he's really funny in that he asked what they do at the end of the movie is he smokes
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an LSD joint and he comes back and then all these evil people are attacking him you know he's like
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you know he has this laugh I remember you I remember your little
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white face and he talks to a guy who's got a gun on him evil and he goes and you are on a horsey
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oh Brandy yeah listen he's that part's not going to be as funny without him being funny I mean it's just a cool
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movie to it that makes it great so uh that's that's that answer
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