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I kind of did the whole app routine and
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>> whatever. Not for very long.
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>> And all that type of stuff,
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>> you know, a little bit.
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>> Huh?
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>> Wordle.
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>> Oh, I did that.
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>> Did Dennis ever ask you out?
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>> I don't recall him asking me out. I do
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recall there being some discussion about
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making like a clay imprint of my ass,
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[music] like for an ashtray or a bowl or
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something. So I he backs away and he
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looks at me and he goes, "Terry, you
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have a totally average vagina."
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>> So we have Terry Hatcher in studio.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Very lovely. Um
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>> yeah,
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>> obviously we know her from a lot of
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things and uh she also happened to host
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us. Now when I was there,
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>> it was my last year. I think it was we
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did a little Spade in America bit where
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we dressed as each other and did a bit
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as each other and it was pretty funny
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and she was very game for it. She was a
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lot of fun. She was doing I think uh
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Lois and Clark at the time. I think it
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was or maybe Desperate Housewives.
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Anyway, definitely had a crush on her.
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She's so sweet. She's so nice. She's a
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very good person and uh she came in here
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and was a was a lot of fun. Yeah, I I
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got to know her on the podcast. She's uh
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extremely bright, uh very self- aacing.
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Um and her whole story around Desert
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Housewives is interesting.
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>> And how she has a new podcast with the
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woman who played her daughter on
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Desperate Housewives and her actual
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daughter.
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>> Yeah, that's right.
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>> It's it's kind of like Office Ladies but
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for Desperate Housewives.
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>> Yeah, they watch. It's a rewatch show
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and uh she's just a lot of fun and I
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think you're going to have a good time
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with her and it's in studio which is
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always a good time. So here she is
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>> right in that room with us. Magic
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>> right there.
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>> Electricity
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>> Terry Hatcher. Terry Hatcher.
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>> Hi guys.
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>> That's Terry. She's known for being very
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nice.
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>> You look incredible.
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>> Well, thank you so much.
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>> Pilates.
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>> Uh no, you know, I do this um like slow
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resistance weightlifting. smart
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>> where you like get to 2 minutes and then
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you burn out and it's supposed to be
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good for your bone density when you're
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old like me.
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>> Me too.
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>> So that's what I [clears throat] do.
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You're a child.
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>> Yeah. What's the latest with your bone
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density?
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>> It's It's do it's it's hanging in there.
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>> It's coming along.
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>> You had a test?
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>> I did have a test.
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>> Did you really?
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>> No, I did have a Well, you should have a
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test at my age.
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>> How do you know you could do that?
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>> I I had a test and it wasn't that it was
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bad, but it was like it was
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preventative.
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>> No, it's great. This is This is the way
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I try to help myself now with this kind
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of stuff.
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>> Yes. The old paradigm was to try to lift
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heavy weights and make it easy. The new
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paradigm is to lift lighter weights and
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make it hard, which usually means going
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very slow, staying in the work phase.
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You know,
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>> it's it's I think the point that is
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what's good for your bones is the that
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max out, that point at the minute 45
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where you're shaking and then they make
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you like hold that for 15 seconds and
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that's the part that's good.
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>> Oh, okay. [laughter] I'll see your fat
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and I'll raise your
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>> shakiness. I'll raise you doing hill
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repeats.
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>> Okay.
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>> Up a very very steep.
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>> I also do sprint sets on the treadmill.
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>> Jeez Louise. I just a note for just stop
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the recording. Terry's got me beating
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the fish. But uh I'll listen to her
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podcast before I get information.
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>> Terry's podcast.
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>> It's not called Terry's podcast. It's
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not called Terry's podcast. This is a
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wine. This is how not to do a podcast.
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You can learn from us. Do you guys know
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this is my first real podcast? I did
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Brett Goldstein's um the the films to be
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buried with.
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>> I did that over co because we had met a
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few years ago and everyone was in their
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house during co and he started that one
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and so he texted me and said, "Would you
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be a guest?"
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>> I want to go on that.
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>> And that's the only one I've ever done.
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So I'm kind of honored and a little bit
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scared and I love you guys and so thank
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you for having me. I
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>> I think it's really [ __ ] great. I'm
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just going to do Brett Go the whole
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time. You're smiling too much. You're
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already smiling too much.
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>> It's always good when the host is not
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smiling. He [laughter] was on our and we
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talked about that. I'd like to do that
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one. I I love movies. Do you like
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movies?
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>> I do love movies. Yeah, I do love
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movies. I think I mentioned with him I
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feel like I I feel like um Tootsie
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always comes up for me. Um, I feel like
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when I was
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>> figuring out almost by osmosis what
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comedic timing was about, I feel like
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Terry Gar just like her rhythm of
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everything in that movie.
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>> I I mean it just I can I can repeat it
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like
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tragic. Her her whole story was so rough
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in that movie.
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>> Yeah. She kept getting ghosted.
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>> Chuck Durn.
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>> Chuck Die. Charles Durning as the gilded
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lover. And the look of the How'd you do
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it? You know who had a crush on Twixie.
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I know. I know.
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>> And Dustin Hoffman. He knows.
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>> It's so good.
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>> It's it and it glows. I don't know. I
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just I don't have a
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>> The movie you mean? Or the
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>> It's just the c the cinematography. And
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also Sydney Pollock as the agent.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> Is so great. And who directed it who did
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direct a lot of Robert Redford movies.
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God bless. There you go. God rest his
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soul. Yeah. No. Every line in there, I'm
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a tomato and a tomato can't sit down.
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That's why, you know, like I just
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>> And the [laughter] commitment to that
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>> because I had to be a TOMATO BECAUSE THE
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DIRECTOR WOULDN'T LET ME NOT BE A
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TOMATO.
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>> EXACTLY. [laughter] SORRY. I had to It's
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It brings it out in me too. I
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understand.
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>> Anyway, that's a good
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>> But Terry Gar also young Frankenstein.
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Was she young Frankenstein?
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>> That's another one. Yes, she was.
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>> Gosh, she was my knockers. Something
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about her knockers.
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>> Thank you, doctor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> She was something else.
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>> [ __ ]
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>> Good lord. So, you have a podcast
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>> and have you done it yet? Have you taped
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them yet?
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>> We have. So, we're we're taping on
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Mondays. We're actually trying to do two
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every Monday. We're we're a little bit
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under a time gun because Andrea Bowen,
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one of my co-hosts, who played my
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daughter in Desperate Housewives, is
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pregnant.
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>> So, we're we're up against her maternity
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leave.
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>> And so, we're trying to get
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>> maternity leave. Is that something
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people do? [laughter]
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>> Yes, it is.
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>> Why? They always do that. A lady needs a
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time off. Yes, you do to pay attention.
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Listen, it's all Andrea's fault. She
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came to me and so the podcast is called
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Desperately Devoted.
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>> Desperately Devoted. And your two
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co-stars are
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>> Andre Bowen, who is my television
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daughter, and Emerson Tenny, who's my
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real life daughter.
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>> And the thing that I thought was fun
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about that, because Andrea said, "Would
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you ever want to do this Desperate
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Housewives rewatch?" And I was sort of
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like, I you know, I don't know. But I
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but what I thought was interesting and
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what I like about podcasts, like you
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guys, for example, I just like friends
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talking, you know, and when I'm I'm I
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I'm doing my dishes, I've got my
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headphones on, I'm cleaning my house,
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whatever.
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>> Um, it's enough with the news and enough
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with the self-help and, you know, I
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listen to those too,
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>> but I really like the just the community
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and just the talking.
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>> It's almost like having dinner. It's
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almost like that's cuz Dane and I will
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obviously talk over you the whole time,
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but
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>> it's like dinner. So, you just talk
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about whatever
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>> became really good. We tend to jump in.
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Sorry. Ruin it. Stop the moment talking
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about it. Okay.
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>> But it's hard. It's like that when
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you're all together for dinner and you
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just [ __ ] around. So, nothing too
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important, but
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>> we do want to talk about the podcast
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because it is sort of an exciting new
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thing for you. And
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>> you have a good voice. That's part of
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it. You can talk.
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>> Thank you. I can talk.
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>> That's good.
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>> I mean, you like to talk.
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>> Not everybody can. you like I listened
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to I think it was the pilot that did it.
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Yeah.
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>> It's got a lot of chemistry.
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>> Thank you. Yeah, I think we do. So, so
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the elements of of Beyond the Desperate
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Housewives of it, which there is a big
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fan base for it and it is kind of fun
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actually. I haven't seen the show in 20
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years and was genuinely surprised and
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pleased almost like watching something
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that I wasn't in like wow that's a great
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show. that show
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>> and and
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>> and so that's fun, but we're really
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using it as a springboard to kind of
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talk about life. And I felt like, you
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know, my daughter is 27, she's a
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screenwriter, she's gay, she has a
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wonderful girlfriend that she lives
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with.
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>> Andrea is 35, she's newly married, she's
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about to have a baby, and I'm 60 and
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pathetically single. And it just felt
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like we covered everything.
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>> Pathetically. Well, I'm actually
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starting a podcast called Pathetically
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Single.
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>> Okay. You ripped off my That was my next
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I wasn't going to host.
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>> We could co-o Oh, I could not married.
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>> Oh, so you could sing to you
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pathetically single that you could do a
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spin-off, you know, and then
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>> I love it. I love it. You got to start
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somewhere.
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>> How could you be single?
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>> Well, I never leave my house
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>> and uh by choice. You don't
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>> I'm sure you get marriage proposals
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weekly.
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>> Nothing. I don't date. You know, I did
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maybe up I maybe up to like five years
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ago, I kind of did the whole app routine
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and
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>> whatever. Not for very long.
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>> And all that type of stuff,
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>> you know, a little bit.
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>> Huh?
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>> Wordle.
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>> Oh, I
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still
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>> meet your mate. I'm Wle.
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>> I still do Whle. [laughter]
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>> I do still do Wordle. I do Wordle. I do
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the spelling V. I get so proud when I'm
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a genius. That's like when they tell
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you.
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>> Text me when you get a good one and I'll
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I'll say good job.
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>> Oh, okay. Okay. You come from a high
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pedigree. Your dad was a wasn't he
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atomic physicist.
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>> Smart family.
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>> He was a physicist, an electrical
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engineer. He was vice president of AMD
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when he retired. And my mom worked for
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Loheed for like 25 years. They were both
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super smart people. And
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>> I was a math major in college until I
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dropped out
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>> because my parents wouldn't pay for me
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to study anything else.
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>> And I got this crazy opportunity to be
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on the Love Boat. I mean, it's it's a
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weird origin story.
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>> The Love Boat. I love the mathematician
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to Gavin Mloud.
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>> Yeah.
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>> To Isaac. What happened with you and
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Isaac?
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>> Nothing happened.
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>> Oh, I think something happened.
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>> No, nothing happened.
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>> Isaac got around.
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>> Isaac was the ship's bartender.
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>> I did I think it was 26 or
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>> Shut up. Oh, you're on that much?
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>> Yeah. Well, it was the entire last year
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of the show.
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>> Were you the Julie McCoy? No, but Julie,
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the the way I got an agent like Oh my
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god, I can't believe I'm telling you
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guys this story.
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>> Great. Please, I'm gonna
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>> Okay, so I was in college. I tried to
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make it so fast because I don't want to
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bore you to death.
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>> No, I'm serious show. Like, did
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someone's Did you You're a nerd, a
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mathematician in college. Did someone
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say, "Hey, Terry, take those glasses
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off." And like,
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>> not so bad.
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>> With a British accent with a bad British
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accent. That's how they did.
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>> You want to be in television [laughter]
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or movies? you know, was it kind of you
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were sort of a nerd and all of a sudden
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you're a beauty queen?
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>> Okay, so I was a nerd and am a nerd. I
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wear the nerd uh badge. I love I love
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puzzles. I mean, I'm I'm still a nerd.
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I'm totally a nerd. Um which is maybe
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why I don't date because I'm too shy.
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Anyway, um
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>> this we have some dating. So, I'm in
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college and this there the Loveboat did
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this nationwide press thing where they
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did this for for dancers, dancers and
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singers. Okay? And they were called the
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mermaids.
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>> And so in San Francisco, they did it in
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Chicago, in New York, in Dallas, and
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wherever.
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>> And um I don't know 5,000 people showed
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up in San Francisco like a cattle call
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for and this girlfriend wanted to do it,
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but she didn't want to go by herself, so
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she said classic.
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>> Yes. Right. So I ended up tagg along.
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>> Do not bring your prettier girlfriend.
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That That's a
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>> There's your lesson number one. So, I uh
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won that. And then what they did with
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all these individual
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>> You won casually in front of your just
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for [laughter] a second. Just for a
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second. She brings you along. Gee, I'll
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tag along. You've got, you know,
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orthodontia work and stuff. So, did you
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sing and dance or what did you do?
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>> We didn't sing at that point. We just
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danced. Um so, it was like a like a
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chorus line kind of a thing, you know,
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where you get eliminated
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>> solo and and one or how did you
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>> Could you dance? You I do I grew up
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dancing. Yeah. No, I was I I we we had
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to do a jazz combination and tap lesson
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>> and I could just do that cuz I grew up
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No, no, no. Cuz I Yeah, I just grew up
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dancing. I was I
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>> like in your room
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>> like professional. No, no, like I mean
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not like paid, but I went to dance class
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to a studio my whole upbringing.
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>> And your friend brought you anyway.
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>> Well, she did too, you know. So, and
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yeah. So, and and there was a lot of
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great people there. I mean, for sure.
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And it's that weird thing where you get
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a number and they teach you a
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combination and 30 of you do it and you
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leave and you leave and you stay and
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then you do it again and at the end of
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the day there's five of you left.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And then they pick a winner and that was
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me. And um and so they flew all of these
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different winners to Los Angeles where
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we had to do the whole thing again
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against like real people who already
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lived in LA and were already working on
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television and whatever.
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>> This was from the nationwide.
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>> Yes. to me, you know, I I think I'm I
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might be wrong. Maybe I'd never been on
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a plane by myself. I definitely had
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never been given pdeium or stayed in a
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nice hotel by myself. They put us up.
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This is in like 1985. They put us up at
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the Bonaventure Hotel downtown and we
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had a pdeium and I didn't and so I of
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course ordered like a banana split and
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like a hamburger and like all the I
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never had room service. I didn't grow up
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like that at all. I mean, these were
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this is what I remember. I remember that
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I ordered a hot fudge Sunday, which
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seems insane that the next day I had to
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go perform and be sexy, and that's what
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I was doing, but whatever.
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>> Um,
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>> wait, how old again?
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>> I guess, well, was 85, so that would
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have made me 20.
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>> Okay.
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>> So, that's old enough to fly alone.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Um, and but I mean, I just didn't grow
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up in a family where that was a thing. I
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didn't fly an airplane until I was 25. A
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lot of people don't fly.
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>> Yeah. Um, I mean, maybe I went to New
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York once.
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You know, every year, David, I think we
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can unequivocally say this, we make
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resolutions
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>> that somehow never stick, right?
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>> But this year, I found the one
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resolution that actually works.
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>> Gruns is the simple daily habit that
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succeeds where extreme resolutions fail.
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Delivering real benefits with minimal
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effort. If you haven't heard me talk
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about grooms before, they're a
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convenient comprehensive formula packed
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into a daily snack pack of gummies. This
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>> I got this job. I then they picked eight
00:15:32
of us to be the quote unquote mermaids,
00:15:34
which were basically glorified extras on
00:15:36
the Love Boat. We we dealt the cards in
00:15:39
the in the in the casino. We passed out
00:15:41
towels on the Leo deck,
00:15:43
>> you know,
00:15:43
>> all this [ __ ] for that.
00:15:45
>> And we did a dance number every week and
00:15:46
we sang.
00:15:47
>> Mhm.
00:15:48
>> So, probably nine episodes in was
00:15:50
Thanksgiving and the girl who played
00:15:53
Julie McCoy came back and remember she
00:15:56
had been ousted from like a co Yeah.
00:15:59
from a coke addiction or something that
00:16:02
is
00:16:02
>> and so she had been fired I guess or
00:16:04
lost her job and then so they had her
00:16:06
back
00:16:07
>> and that episode they decided to give my
00:16:10
character like a story arc like a love
00:16:12
line.
00:16:13
>> It's a big episode.
00:16:14
>> It was it was
00:16:14
>> Did your character have a name when you
00:16:16
were mermaid?
00:16:16
>> Well they not until this episode and
00:16:18
then they gave me a name Amy. Amy.
00:16:20
>> Oh my god.
00:16:21
>> It's really I mean I talk in the highest
00:16:23
voice and she was the biggest ditzy
00:16:26
>> like airhead funloving.
00:16:28
>> So you did a real character.
00:16:30
>> Yeah, I did a character.
00:16:31
>> You were supposed to do that.
00:16:32
>> I I did I what? I mean they were saying
00:16:34
oh yes. No they said do that was what
00:16:35
they wrote.
00:16:36
>> Are you doing like Victoria Jackson like
00:16:38
falsetto almost or
00:16:40
>> It was pretty hard.
00:16:40
>> That's how Victoria it was. [laughter]
00:16:42
It was pretty you know it was like hi
00:16:44
I'm Amy and I did this and I did this
00:16:46
and I did this and then you know it was
00:16:47
like that. Gotcha. Um
00:16:50
uh but it was definitely comedic
00:16:52
>> for whatever that was on the love boat.
00:16:54
And so an agent saw that
00:16:57
>> and called the producers and was like
00:16:59
who's she? I mean and and that was how I
00:17:02
first got an agent. And then when that
00:17:03
was very strange this would not happen
00:17:06
to anyone anymore, I don't think.
00:17:07
>> So our torturous eight years in the
00:17:09
clubs was what I mean
00:17:12
>> I mean you know it's funny in these
00:17:16
days. So I moved into a really, you
00:17:20
know, below average apartment building
00:17:22
in North Hollywood
00:17:25
>> and next to me on the third floor like
00:17:27
walk up and next to me was an apartment
00:17:30
of two young guys who were comedians who
00:17:33
had just moved from Nebraska.
00:17:35
One of them was um Joel Madison and one
00:17:39
of them was Pat Hazel and they knew Jeff
00:17:42
Cesario and Dennis Miller and like like
00:17:45
and so I like met some of these people
00:17:48
like back in the a it was crazy times
00:17:52
>> before they were famous or Dennis.
00:17:54
>> Yeah. I mean yeah they were like on the
00:17:56
edge I think Jeff and Dennis were kind
00:17:58
of on the edge of almost being
00:18:00
>> Yeah. That was Yeah.
00:18:02
>> Yeah. Um crazy. And I rem I remember
00:18:06
hanging out with them and they they
00:18:08
would play jokes on me and um I remember
00:18:11
one of them early on saying something
00:18:13
like
00:18:15
you can hang out with because you get
00:18:16
the jokes and that I felt like that was
00:18:19
>> a compliment,
00:18:20
>> a very big compliment. Um and I because
00:18:23
I I have I'm I'm obsessed. Every time I
00:18:25
go to New York, I go to the comedy
00:18:26
seller. Like, I'm I'm just obsessed with
00:18:29
what you guys do, like with admiration
00:18:31
and and you know, I'm just obsessed.
00:18:33
>> Really? Did Dennis ever ask you out or?
00:18:35
>> I don't recall him asking me out. I do
00:18:38
recall there being some discussion about
00:18:42
making like a clay imprint of my ass
00:18:46
like for an ashtray or a bowl or
00:18:48
something. And I don't know if this was
00:18:51
a You really didn't comedian. You didn't
00:18:53
think this story was coming. I'm pretty
00:18:55
sure you did not think this story was
00:18:57
coming. It's in your notes. Ceramic ass.
00:19:00
Um
00:19:01
>> I might have gone on a date with Jeff
00:19:04
maybe.
00:19:05
>> Okay.
00:19:06
>> Um
00:19:08
>> you know, my my whole crazy [ __ ] uh
00:19:11
young life is a little bit of a blur to
00:19:14
me. I'm just thankful I I came out of it
00:19:16
without any uh
00:19:18
>> major longl lasting issues.
00:19:21
>> Really? Well, we we'll [laughter]
00:19:23
be the judge of that.
00:19:24
>> Okay.
00:19:25
>> I don't Your 20s are your 20s. They're
00:19:27
just a unique.
00:19:28
>> Yeah.
00:19:28
>> You know, so this So, were you lonely at
00:19:31
that point or were you sort of out of
00:19:32
your element or just super excited?
00:19:34
You're suddenly in North Hollywood. You
00:19:36
you're on Love Boat. You're you're on
00:19:37
television.
00:19:38
>> I don't think I was lonely. Although I
00:19:41
do kind of feel like it took me, you
00:19:44
know, I was that kind of I mean I'm
00:19:45
definitely an overachiever like 150%
00:19:48
like bar is very high. I'm super hard on
00:19:50
myself. And so I was the kind of person
00:19:52
who I was on the Love Boat. I also got a
00:19:55
job on the the shortlived soap opera
00:19:57
Capital at the time. And then I was also
00:20:00
a waitress at like an Italian restaurant
00:20:03
on Ventura Boulevard. Um it might have
00:20:05
been I don't think it was Maria's
00:20:08
Italian Kitchen. might it was something
00:20:10
like Maria's. I don't think it was
00:20:12
Maria's, but
00:20:13
>> I remember at one point being in TV
00:20:16
Guide and having like the bartender or
00:20:19
another waitress be like,
00:20:21
>> "You should probably quit this job."
00:20:23
Like the the job as the waitress.
00:20:24
>> They're seeing your picture.
00:20:26
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and
00:20:28
but you know, so when you say I don't
00:20:30
think I was lonely, but I definitely
00:20:32
>> It's weird.
00:20:32
>> There's a lot of growing pains and I
00:20:34
didn't you know, I didn't know I'm I'm
00:20:35
the least Hollywood
00:20:37
>> family. I'm the least Hollywood person.
00:20:39
And I don't know anything. I'm sure that
00:20:40
I did so much wrong.
00:20:42
>> And you came out from where?
00:20:43
>> From Northern California. From
00:20:45
Sunnyville.
00:20:46
>> Okay. So, it's
00:20:46
>> Sunnyale, which is 15 minutes where I
00:20:49
grew up. San Carlos.
00:20:50
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:52
>> Yeah.
00:20:53
>> Yeah. We're in Northern California.
00:20:54
>> Used to play Rooster Te Feather.
00:20:56
Rooster, it was the country store,
00:20:59
something like that before, but Rooster
00:21:00
Te Feathers is still there. I was
00:21:03
playing that in the early 80s.
00:21:04
>> I was just talking to um Ron Funches is
00:21:07
a little bit of a friend of mine.
00:21:08
>> Yeah. Right.
00:21:09
>> And um I was at a barbecue at his house
00:21:11
not that long ago and he had
00:21:13
>> a girlfriend comedian and I'm not going
00:21:15
to remember her name, but she was like
00:21:16
my age and she was saying that she was
00:21:18
just going there rooster
00:21:19
>> to play. So yeah, I mean it is funny how
00:21:21
it's all
00:21:22
>> Terry. You didn't know I had a rooster
00:21:24
tea feather story, but I do.
00:21:25
>> Okay. So
00:21:26
>> I've got one I've got one too. You go
00:21:28
first.
00:21:28
>> Mine's not that exciting.
00:21:29
>> It's a What is it for for the audience
00:21:31
at For the audience at home? It was uh
00:21:34
about 150 seat club.
00:21:35
>> That's another thing I want to talk to
00:21:36
you about. You know, I've been to Kenny
00:21:37
Bunkport and I was friends with him.
00:21:39
>> Wow.
00:21:39
>> Yeah.
00:21:40
>> Come on down. [laughter]
00:21:46
Let's get some speed in that area.
00:21:49
>> Let's get those ass imprints going.
00:21:51
[laughter]
00:21:52
>> Ceramic imprinted. I never got a copy.
00:21:55
Left and right coming together in a
00:21:58
beautiful ceramic dish. Polka dots on
00:22:01
top, red on the bottom. So, we can we
00:22:04
can edit this. I kind of wish it
00:22:06
existed. You know, that is the thing
00:22:08
about it. Could be good merch. It's
00:22:10
Yeah. Right. And you see at the time it
00:22:12
seems like, oh, we've gone we've gone a
00:22:14
step too far, but like 40 years later,
00:22:16
you're like, "God, I wish I had my ass
00:22:17
on a in a pole." [laughter]
00:22:19
>> Well, back to my tent pole story about
00:22:23
Mr. Chief Feather story.
00:22:25
>> It's a real uh
00:22:26
>> I really do.
00:22:27
>> So, I So, I go there and this is my
00:22:30
struggling. I was thinking about your
00:22:31
days of like when I came from Arizona. I
00:22:33
was in North Hollywood, too. who was in
00:22:34
Kanga Moore Park, lived with an actress,
00:22:37
lived in the back room and uh got to see
00:22:40
sort of her life. But it it's lonely.
00:22:43
It's just weird not to be in Arizona
00:22:44
anymore. And like everyone's like like
00:22:46
if you had a picture TV ad a it doesn't
00:22:48
mean you're making any money or you have
00:22:50
steady money. So I'd be like what would
00:22:52
I quit for? This is actual money versus
00:22:54
that
00:22:55
>> and they don't realize that. They're
00:22:56
like you're a star. And then I and one
00:22:58
of these gigs I go to eat Rooster Te's.
00:23:00
Let's say I'm making 600 bucks for the
00:23:02
week. And uh and after the first show, I
00:23:07
just literally walk all the way like a
00:23:09
mile to the club, then I walk back to
00:23:11
the condo or whatever hotel. So I need
00:23:13
some money for food. So just for lunch.
00:23:15
So I walk all the way to the club when
00:23:17
they're there and I go, I need to take a
00:23:18
draw and uh against my I just need some
00:23:22
money like 200 bucks for food this week.
00:23:25
And he goes, "Well, you did one show and
00:23:28
you haven't quite made 200, so we can
00:23:30
give you $83." And I said, "Do you think
00:23:33
I'm going to make a run for it?" Like,
00:23:35
>> I'm here for the week.
00:23:36
>> I bought it for an $83, especially in
00:23:39
the 80s.
00:23:39
>> In83. Yeah. [laughter]
00:23:41
>> So, I ran to Sizzler. But I didn't
00:23:44
>> Sizzler. Oh my god.
00:23:45
>> Sizzler. I spent my 30th birthday at
00:23:47
Sizzler.
00:23:48
>> Sizzler, you know? I I mean, this is the
00:23:50
thing. Those kinds of things, like I
00:23:51
didn't grow up really with money. So,
00:23:53
like going to Ferals for your birthdays.
00:23:56
Going to Ferals and getting like the zoo
00:23:58
with the little plastic animals in it
00:24:01
>> or going to Sizzler and getting um a
00:24:04
steak and the the shrimp the the like um
00:24:07
fried [clears throat] shrimp
00:24:09
>> or like the velvet turtle. Do you
00:24:11
remember the velvet turtle?
00:24:12
>> I remember the velvet turtle.
00:24:12
>> The velvet turtle was like a topless
00:24:14
club.
00:24:15
>> Oh, okay. No, it was like a place where
00:24:17
you could get lamb lamb rack of lamb
00:24:19
with like the little chef's hat on the
00:24:21
on the bone and and that was like a once
00:24:23
a year thing.
00:24:24
>> Is that nice though? The velvet turtle.
00:24:25
>> It was that was like a once a year
00:24:27
thing. I mean to me
00:24:28
>> in Arizona there was a Yeah, that's it
00:24:30
was nice one there.
00:24:31
>> Yeah.
00:24:31
>> But again, if you have I think if you
00:24:33
have good memories I have good memories
00:24:36
of going to Chili. All these places
00:24:38
Sizzler. So if you even get a few beans
00:24:40
in your jeans when you're older, you go
00:24:42
that doesn't mean I don't like going
00:24:44
there. I always liked it. So it's like
00:24:45
stuck in my head that I like it.
00:24:47
>> Yeah.
00:24:47
>> So I don't like ever skip all that and
00:24:49
go I don't do that anymore.
00:24:51
>> You still go
00:24:52
>> to those kinds of places?
00:24:53
>> Well, this is a trick question. I
00:24:54
thought we were agreeing that we like
00:24:57
basic food.
00:24:58
>> No, no. The only reason I wouldn't go is
00:25:01
because I think my health awareness of
00:25:03
like what I'm actually trying to eat to
00:25:06
not have like
00:25:08
or whatever like that kind of nonsense I
00:25:10
I probably keeps me from going to those
00:25:13
places. I think what's interesting,
00:25:14
>> but not because they weren't fun. All
00:25:15
right. I mean, those chili fries,
00:25:17
>> it's hard to get good.
00:25:18
>> The chili fries with the little salty
00:25:20
whatever
00:25:20
>> everything's driving long distance and
00:25:23
I'm tired. That's the only time. And
00:25:27
>> McDonald's hamburger, small fries, and a
00:25:29
Coke cuz then all that sugar and salt
00:25:31
just
00:25:32
>> helps me drive.
00:25:33
>> So, I'm Diet Coke and Cheetos
00:25:36
>> on a on a on a long distance.
00:25:38
>> Cheetos.
00:25:38
>> Yeah, Cheetos and a Diet Coke.
00:25:40
>> Yeah, that's that's the same kind of
00:25:41
thing. We're all three diet coke.
00:25:43
Carbohydrates. [laughter]
00:25:44
>> Diet Coke for me is like Coke. I mean, I
00:25:47
never did Coke, so I don't really know.
00:25:49
But to me,
00:25:50
>> that's I whenever I'm at a like if I'm
00:25:53
shooting something or I'm at some event
00:25:55
or I just feel like, oh my god, I'm
00:25:57
hitting the wall. Like this is not
00:25:59
>> People know this. They know like Diet
00:26:01
Coke stat. I need it.
00:26:03
>> Wakes you up or what?
00:26:04
>> Yeah. Yeah. It just I don't know if it's
00:26:05
the bubbles or the caffeine or whatever
00:26:07
it is.
00:26:07
>> You and uh Trump just he has a button.
00:26:10
Okay, I'm going to stop. [laughter]
00:26:12
>> You're exactly right.
00:26:13
>> I didn't know that. That's enough to
00:26:15
make me never have
00:26:16
>> his desk that he hits. Right.
00:26:17
>> Diet Coke.
00:26:19
>> Yeah, it's a button that bring me a Diet
00:26:21
Coke. I love Diet Coke. I can drink it
00:26:23
any
00:26:25
Diet Coke. As you do it, I do him
00:26:27
grally. But um the
00:26:30
>> No, you've ruined it for me.
00:26:31
>> No, no, [laughter] not at all. But but I
00:26:33
only drink Coca-Cola. I drink the real
00:26:35
stuff
00:26:36
>> before or I have it on stage when I do
00:26:38
stand up
00:26:39
>> because that's You don't want a cup of
00:26:41
coffee, but that's that energy thing.
00:26:43
Just a sip of Coke.
00:26:44
>> Yeah.
00:26:45
>> And you know, a lot of places don't have
00:26:46
it. You might notice
00:26:48
>> regular Coke.
00:26:48
>> If you travel,
00:26:50
there's full casinos, airlines, they
00:26:52
just go, "We're a Pepsi corporation."
00:26:55
>> And I know this about I mean, I have
00:26:56
listened to you talk enough to know that
00:26:58
you have a real issue with diabet. Yeah.
00:27:02
I start trouble. I fight back.
00:27:03
>> Yeah. No, you should.
00:27:04
>> But sometimes I bring them
00:27:06
>> Pepsi. Uh, the people who were running
00:27:08
Coca-Cola, this [laughter] this
00:27:11
part,
00:27:12
>> they decided at one point, the greatest
00:27:15
brand in the last hundred years,
00:27:17
CocaCola, you know, GI's World War II,
00:27:19
>> we're going to make new Coke. The reason
00:27:21
is they did taste tests and PE Pepsi was
00:27:25
sweeter than Coke, which I didn't like.
00:27:27
>> So when people were just testing it,
00:27:29
just taking sips, they go, "We like this
00:27:31
better." A full can, they wouldn't. So
00:27:33
some idiot at
00:27:35
>> Coca-Cola decided to make new Coke
00:27:37
tasted too sweet.
00:27:40
>> Then they bring out they brought it
00:27:41
back. But that's just a little history
00:27:43
lesson. In the middle of our guest today
00:27:45
is Terry.
00:27:46
>> I love brands. So I'm excited to hear.
00:27:48
>> I'm excited too. I was going to ask you
00:27:50
and David a question. Okay. the the
00:27:53
emotional
00:27:55
when you're in your 20s and you're doing
00:27:57
stuff and you don't know if you're going
00:27:59
to get a break, but you're obviously in
00:28:00
a game where people you know are getting
00:28:02
on TV or films and doing stuff and you
00:28:04
go through a period where it's not
00:28:06
really happening and you have I bombed I
00:28:09
tried for SNL I followed Sam Canson at
00:28:13
the comedy store bomb you know
00:28:14
>> so how did you deal with that David or
00:28:17
Terry
00:28:18
>> you want to go
00:28:18
>> the emotional violence of going in this
00:28:21
thing and just It may just never happen
00:28:23
for me.
00:28:24
>> Like I want it. Yeah. We'd like to hear
00:28:26
from Terry. Yeah.
00:28:27
>> Okay. Well, I seem to recall there being
00:28:30
a moment where I felt like I should pack
00:28:33
up my 1980 Ford Probe with the hand
00:28:38
rolling windows and the no air
00:28:39
conditioning and go back to Sunnyale and
00:28:41
go to back to college. Like I feel like
00:28:44
and that was after the Loveboat.
00:28:45
probably after I had a little stint on
00:28:48
MacGyver and I did like maybe I did a
00:28:50
pilot or or something. But yeah, there's
00:28:53
these big stints where you feel like
00:28:55
>> it too ch too much chunks off.
00:28:57
>> Yeah, too much chunks off. And what are
00:28:58
you doing with yourself? And I think
00:29:00
when you're young, like I really always
00:29:02
thought I would go back to college. I
00:29:03
really thought I would be a math teacher
00:29:05
in high school. I had this grand idea
00:29:08
that there were no women teachers for
00:29:10
young girls and no role models in the
00:29:13
sort of science lane and I was going to
00:29:15
go be that and that was going to be
00:29:16
noble to me and I
00:29:18
>> I really thought that was what I was
00:29:20
going to do and then I got Lois and
00:29:22
Clark and it wasn't until Lois and Clark
00:29:24
that I and it was even my parents first
00:29:28
time kind of on board like oh this is
00:29:31
your career like oh this is what you're
00:29:34
going to be doing this is what you're
00:29:35
going to be doing And so yeah, and then
00:29:37
but there's always I mean I you know I'm
00:29:40
not working a ton in the last few years
00:29:44
and that's not really my choice. I mean
00:29:47
I've been developing some stuff with
00:29:49
some pretty cool people but I know you
00:29:50
guys know that that's
00:29:52
>> it's hard to get things across the
00:29:54
finish line. And I think,
00:29:56
>> you know, I always had somebody somebody
00:29:58
told me a long time ago like you're only
00:30:00
really out of this business when you
00:30:02
quit, you know, like I mean, and you can
00:30:04
see actors that like are now winning
00:30:06
Emmys that literally didn't have jobs
00:30:08
for
00:30:09
>> years,
00:30:10
>> five years, you know, or and
00:30:11
>> absolutely
00:30:12
>> and and so and I tell my daughter this
00:30:14
although she's a writer, not a
00:30:15
performer, and it is a little bit I
00:30:17
think there's a little more power behind
00:30:18
you can just keep doing you can keep
00:30:20
writing scripts. But um I would tell
00:30:23
young actors that the thing they don't
00:30:26
teach you with all your accents and all
00:30:29
your drama and all your comedy is they
00:30:31
don't teach you what to do with yourself
00:30:32
when you don't have a job
00:30:34
>> and and that is where people get into
00:30:36
trouble.
00:30:36
>> It gets me it's a mental game. Yeah.
00:30:38
It's very tough when it goes down. And
00:30:41
we were just talking to uh to Dwight,
00:30:43
you know, Dwight from the office, Rain,
00:30:45
and he said, "Uh, yeah, it's like being
00:30:47
at a readthrough and you're not in the
00:30:50
episode." And even just that week,
00:30:52
you're like, "hm, so I'm watching
00:30:54
everyone else. What do I do?" And it's
00:30:55
kind of nice for a while, but maybe you
00:30:57
had on Desperate Housewives when you you
00:30:59
were light in a show or you were written
00:31:00
kind of light for a couple episodes in a
00:31:02
row and you start to kind of freak out
00:31:03
like, "Wait, am I not where am I in the
00:31:06
pecking order? Don't I thought they kind
00:31:07
of favored me?" It makes you crazy. I
00:31:09
think the main thing is to because I met
00:31:11
a lot of bitter people when I was first
00:31:13
coming up.
00:31:14
>> Really bitter.
00:31:15
>> All kinds of bitter. Well, Mickey Rooney
00:31:16
was the most bitter man. [laughter]
00:31:18
>> I was the number one star in the world.
00:31:21
You hear me? Bang.
00:31:24
>> The world. So, wow.
00:31:25
>> I thought, okay, this whole game of
00:31:27
being in show business, you know, it
00:31:29
doesn't care about you. It's not
00:31:31
personal. It's not trying to punish you
00:31:34
and really stay away from victimhood and
00:31:36
bitterness because then you can't be
00:31:38
successful.
00:31:39
>> So we always had standup as a baseline
00:31:42
to go back, you know. So when you had
00:31:44
those years, I want to know the years
00:31:46
between how long was it after Loveboat
00:31:49
and then you were kind of doing stuff
00:31:51
but not landing to Lois and Clark. So
00:31:53
I'm, you know, I'm estimating, I mean,
00:31:56
if that had been, let's say that was 85,
00:31:58
86, I didn't get Lois and Clark until
00:32:01
94. Okay?
00:32:03
>> But before that, I did that what turned
00:32:05
out to be a very famous episode of
00:32:06
Seinfeld. That was probably in 93. Okay?
00:32:10
>> Right. And and I remember Jason
00:32:11
Alexander saying to me, "Good things are
00:32:14
going to happen to you. Good thing, you
00:32:15
know, people do this show and then they
00:32:16
go get other things." I remember him
00:32:18
saying that to me. Super sweet.
00:32:20
>> What was my episode?
00:32:22
You really?
00:32:23
>> I swear to God, I don't know.
00:32:24
>> Okay. Well, good. I'm glad that I'm glad
00:32:26
somebody doesn't know. Um because it's
00:32:29
probably going to be on my tombstone, so
00:32:30
that's why I'm just a little bit
00:32:32
surprised.
00:32:33
>> No, I had this episode where um the
00:32:36
whole episode was Jerry was dating me
00:32:38
and he and he didn't know if my breasts
00:32:40
were real or fake.
00:32:42
>> And so Julia's character falls on he
00:32:46
they think they're fake. He thinks
00:32:48
they're fake. So he breaks up with me.
00:32:49
And then she is at the gym with me and
00:32:51
she falls on me in the sauna and
00:32:53
realizes they're real. So then he tries
00:32:55
to win me back, but he's already broken
00:32:57
up with me because he thought they were
00:32:58
fake.
00:32:59
>> And so I find out that he's done all
00:33:01
this. And so I have this exit line where
00:33:03
I find out and I'm mad that he put me
00:33:05
through this.
00:33:06
>> And I'm like, I'm not going to date you
00:33:07
anymore. You're a horrible person. And
00:33:09
so I leave and I slam the door and then
00:33:11
I stick my head back in and I go, and by
00:33:14
the way, they're real and they're
00:33:15
spectacular. And I and that and that
00:33:18
sort of became like this thing.
00:33:21
>> Yes. They're real and they're
00:33:22
spectacular.
00:33:23
>> That might look good on a tombstone.
00:33:24
>> Yeah, that's pretty good.
00:33:25
>> She was real and spectacular. There you
00:33:28
go.
00:33:28
>> Um I guess I can't
00:33:31
Alexander saying that to you.
00:33:33
>> But that's great. So that actually on a
00:33:34
hit show doing that. Go ahead.
00:33:36
>> So that that had happened. I had done
00:33:38
the movie The Big Picture with
00:33:41
uh Christopher Guest.
00:33:43
>> That was my first movie.
00:33:44
>> I remember you in that too. Thank you.
00:33:46
So you're getting jobs.
00:33:47
>> Yeah. I had done Tango and Cash. I had
00:33:49
done so far alone.
00:33:52
>> Yeah. Uh with Stallone and Russell.
00:33:55
Yeah.
00:33:56
>> Uh I played Stallone's sister. I mean I
00:33:59
hardly remember it.
00:34:00
>> You had some hair in that one, didn't
00:34:01
you?
00:34:01
>> Yeah. And do you know what's crazy? This
00:34:03
is all of this hair. I all if you go
00:34:06
back and you look at the Love Boat and
00:34:07
you look at Tango and Cash and um Soap
00:34:09
Dish, I mean freaking gigantic 80s,
00:34:13
early 90s hair, it was all my hair
00:34:16
because we just backcombed the crap out
00:34:19
of it. It was before anybody was using
00:34:21
all these clipins. Now you can't go
00:34:22
anywhere without clip-ins. Like it's
00:34:24
it's
00:34:25
>> you were killing it in the hair
00:34:26
department.
00:34:27
>> It's very funny.
00:34:28
>> Well, what about Soap Dish? Another
00:34:29
[ __ ] monster hit. These So these are
00:34:31
not like nothing but these are huge.
00:34:32
>> No, I know. Fort Fairland I love because
00:34:34
I think when Dice hosted
00:34:35
>> Oh, I wasn't in Fort Fairline. I did a
00:34:37
movie with him called Brain Smasher.
00:34:39
>> Oh, [laughter]
00:34:42
>> what? I think Ford Fairland.
00:34:43
>> Well, because he that was that era.
00:34:45
Okay,
00:34:45
>> that's he was doing and I did do at
00:34:47
least
00:34:47
>> it was Dice. I was close.
00:34:48
>> Yeah. Yeah, you were.
00:34:49
>> Yeah, that's [ __ ] Brain Blaster.
00:34:51
What?
00:34:52
>> Brain Smasher. I don't even remember
00:34:53
honestly. I don't know. I just know he
00:34:55
was in it and it we shot it in Oregon
00:34:56
and I don't and it was like an all night
00:34:58
shoot of a movie, you know, just for six
00:35:00
weeks. you're completely going to
00:35:02
>> [ __ ] you. They don't tell you that in
00:35:03
class either. [laughter]
00:35:05
>> How bad night shoots are.
00:35:06
>> That's true. No. So, I had a lot of
00:35:09
>> And there were things that I had near
00:35:11
misses on like I near near missed on a
00:35:14
movie that Sandra Bulock ended up doing
00:35:15
and I near missed on a on a movie on a
00:35:17
thing that Helen Hunt did. And I like it
00:35:19
is
00:35:20
>> and I think what I also love about aging
00:35:24
is that you know you there's just no
00:35:27
room to get caught up in regret. Like
00:35:29
life has offered you what it has offered
00:35:31
you and
00:35:33
>> you did your best with the tools that
00:35:35
you had at the time that you had them.
00:35:36
Absolutely.
00:35:37
>> And it doesn't mean you can't evolve and
00:35:39
become a better person or make more of
00:35:41
your life than you anticipated. It just
00:35:43
means you can't go back. And so there's
00:35:46
no reason to
00:35:48
keep keep harping on it and keep
00:35:51
>> um you know dwelling in it.
00:35:52
>> Sometimes I have regrets about choice.
00:35:55
>> People do it. Yeah, we all do. I do it.
00:35:56
But I I do think that, you know, it's
00:35:59
good to just stay in the moment and
00:36:01
>> and you know, those near misses. I that
00:36:04
that's a pretty common story before
00:36:06
people get get the one. But nothing
00:36:08
beats
00:36:08
>> around a weekly show.
00:36:10
>> It's [clears throat] very true. And I
00:36:11
wish I had one again. I just auditioned
00:36:13
for one yesterday for like a smaller
00:36:15
role in it, but it's still a series
00:36:17
regular. And I and the fantasy that I'm
00:36:19
living with before they reject me, which
00:36:21
will probably happen later today. Um but
00:36:23
but the
00:36:25
>> we're good luck charms. Well, maybe it
00:36:27
won't then. Um, but the fantasy I have
00:36:28
in my head is is is about getting to
00:36:31
show up on a set regularly and probably
00:36:33
I'll maybe I'll have one line cuz it's
00:36:35
not like the main character, but like it
00:36:37
would just be
00:36:37
>> less stress.
00:36:38
>> I would just it would just be fun
00:36:40
>> structure and then you're coming back to
00:36:41
it with your eyes now. Like, oh wow,
00:36:44
we're putting on a little show. Let's
00:36:45
not take it too seriously. It's all
00:36:47
pretend and have more fun with You know,
00:36:49
we did just shoot me. George Seagull had
00:36:52
had everyone on that show had did done
00:36:54
some good things and then had some tough
00:36:56
times. And so it was a good mix of
00:36:59
people that are like were so lucky to
00:37:00
have this show.
00:37:01
>> So there was no primadonas other than
00:37:04
me. There was no [laughter]
00:37:05
[ __ ] other than me. So
00:37:08
>> that was a sort of good lesson. But I
00:37:09
had my own things. I had a tough time on
00:37:11
SNL. So getting on something where
00:37:12
someone was writing for me and it was
00:37:14
steady. And about fame, like you're
00:37:17
saying, you're in Big Picture. Great. I
00:37:20
remember that perfectly. Um, and the
00:37:22
other movies I saw Tango and Cash of
00:37:24
course.
00:37:25
>> So, and soap dish. So, they're you're
00:37:28
building building. And then when you get
00:37:29
on a weekly thing, that's where fame
00:37:31
hits because when people see you over
00:37:32
and over and over and then S Lois and
00:37:34
Clark was a pretty big deal. So,
00:37:36
>> there's TV Guide. There's more from that
00:37:38
then it's like almost overwhelming
00:37:40
probably.
00:37:42
>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's also
00:37:45
I'm also like a really hard worker and
00:37:48
like those shows you work like se back
00:37:50
in those days 75 hours a week. I mean,
00:37:53
you would start every Monday at 4:00
00:37:55
a.m. and every Friday you'd be working
00:37:56
till 4 a.m. Like it was
00:37:58
>> and you're not allowed to complain
00:37:59
because everyone's like, "Oh, you're on
00:38:00
a hit [ __ ] show."
00:38:01
>> Yeah.
00:38:01
>> And that was 10 months a year. And I
00:38:03
mean it and and so you're not really
00:38:06
thinking you're there's no room really
00:38:08
for joy of like
00:38:10
>> oh I'm I mean you're just not you're not
00:38:13
going to spas or dinner with your
00:38:14
friends or or just grinding it out
00:38:16
>> you know you are kind of and so it
00:38:19
really isn't until it's over that you
00:38:22
get an opportunity to reflect back
00:38:25
>> at what an amazing opportunity it was.
00:38:27
It's more like when you're in it. It's
00:38:29
hard to not get caught up in what feels
00:38:32
hard about it.
00:38:34
>> It's not that you're not grateful. Like
00:38:36
I feel like I'm always grateful, but it
00:38:38
is.
00:38:39
>> I mean, it's not unlike being the mother
00:38:41
of a of a young kid when you're just,
00:38:43
you know, you you obviously you're so
00:38:44
thrilled to have a a child, but then
00:38:46
also you're not sleeping and you're not,
00:38:49
you know, whatever. It's
00:38:52
>> put both of those things
00:38:54
>> together and have it all feel positive
00:38:55
all the time.
00:38:56
>> Exhaustion. It's like a baby is
00:38:58
exhaustion leads to
00:39:00
>> leads to frustration
00:39:01
>> frustration and tears or whatever you
00:39:03
[clears throat] want to call
00:39:04
>> like er this sher string remember she
00:39:06
quit er and people couldn't believe it I
00:39:07
was like I didn't go I believe it
00:39:09
>> but that's
00:39:10
>> because she's making a ton of money but
00:39:11
you're like
00:39:12
>> can't do it anymore
00:39:13
>> 10 months a year
00:39:14
>> memorizing and grinding and everyone's
00:39:16
like poor people work harder than that I
00:39:18
go it's just a mental you're not coming
00:39:20
up for air she probably just needed
00:39:23
>> three months off like for just to
00:39:25
>> just see her friends see family just get
00:39:28
life back and then go, "Okay, I'm back
00:39:29
in the hole." Because they do a never-
00:39:31
ending movie. Movies are so hard. And
00:39:33
that's what you were doing.
00:39:34
>> And you also don't know what's It was
00:39:36
interesting. I just saw Jane Fonda
00:39:38
talking on a podcast yesterday and she
00:39:41
referenced that in the first season of
00:39:43
the show that she did with Lily Tomlin
00:39:45
um recently. Yeah. That it was horrible
00:39:48
for her. These are her words. And she
00:39:50
said she realized in hindsight because
00:39:53
the subject matter was kind of like
00:39:55
pushing very deep buttons for her about
00:39:57
being abandoned
00:39:59
>> and and she had to go work on that and
00:40:01
then was able to approach the second
00:40:03
season and then it was like all great
00:40:05
after that.
00:40:06
>> I see.
00:40:06
>> But I it made me think you just don't
00:40:09
know what's
00:40:11
>> going on. And we're so quick
00:40:13
>> to judge and label and
00:40:17
>> I don't know. You just you just don't
00:40:18
know. It's a very common human thing.
00:40:20
Why is that person doing that? Why isn't
00:40:22
Terry Hatcher going doing that? I don't
00:40:24
understand why they're doing that, you
00:40:26
know, and you have to be humble about,
00:40:27
well, you don't know their story.
00:40:28
>> Also, sometimes you want to work and you
00:40:30
go, I just want to go work again. and
00:40:31
then something comes along that's not a
00:40:32
thousand% what you want to do, but you
00:40:35
go, "Let me just do it because
00:40:37
>> I totally
00:40:38
>> I feel like I'm out of the [ __ ] mix
00:40:39
and I got
00:40:40
>> I totally want to work." Which is why I
00:40:42
I got this opportunity to do um
00:40:46
>> a little bit of standup that I wrote for
00:40:47
Showtime about four years ago. It was
00:40:50
called They have this thing called Funny
00:40:52
Women of a Certain Age. So, it sort of
00:40:54
gives it an umbrella of like, okay, we
00:40:56
know what these women are going to talk
00:40:57
about. They're going to talk about being
00:40:59
old, which made it easier for me to
00:41:01
write um in a way. And like Wendy Leeman
00:41:04
was in it and Carol Montgomery and
00:41:06
Marshall uh Warfield. Marshall Warfield.
00:41:08
And um
00:41:09
>> they're like pros.
00:41:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. Total. Yeah. Real pros. No.
00:41:12
And we did it at the Irvine improv and I
00:41:14
wrote like a 15 20 minute set.
00:41:17
>> Jesus, that's a lot.
00:41:18
>> I know, right?
00:41:20
hard at what the
00:41:21
>> and I wasn't horrible and it did sort of
00:41:26
>> it was all anchored in this story that
00:41:28
actually happened to me where I was told
00:41:30
that I have an average vagina and and
00:41:33
and I actually I actually told
00:41:36
>> I only told you that because [laughter]
00:41:39
>> Okay. All right. We're going to take a
00:41:41
short break.
00:41:43
>> Short break. [laughter]
00:41:44
>> We're going to reset ourselves.
00:41:46
>> It was just the pants you were wearing.
00:41:49
Oh.
00:41:49
>> Uh, no. We got we got time for the rest
00:41:51
of
00:41:52
>> the president of Odyssey Communications.
00:41:54
[gasps]
00:41:55
>> Go ahead. So, you're
00:41:57
>> No, no. I When I f first met Brett
00:42:00
Goldstein, it was at a function for um
00:42:04
Ashling Bay, who's a mutual friend of
00:42:06
ours. And there was like a cocktail
00:42:09
thing after she performed. And I didn't
00:42:11
know Brett, but I had just come from the
00:42:13
gynecologist's office. And I'm a way big
00:42:16
oversharer. Talk to strangers. the older
00:42:18
I get, the do not ask me how my day is
00:42:20
cuz like you're you better be ready to
00:42:22
stand there for a while. Um, and so
00:42:26
anyways, he said, "Nice to meet you. How
00:42:28
was your day?" And so I proceeded to
00:42:31
tell him this story. I'll do the very
00:42:33
quick version of it for you guys, but it
00:42:35
was it was like I was this was kind of
00:42:37
the last time I started dating somebody,
00:42:39
which is over six years ago.
00:42:41
>> And I hadn't had sex in a really long
00:42:43
time because I hadn't been dating. And
00:42:45
at my age, I was sort of thinking like,
00:42:47
I don't know, does it work anymore?
00:42:48
Like, how would I know? Like, nobody's
00:42:50
been in there and you know this whole,
00:42:51
you can imagine. So, I go to the
00:42:53
gynecologist. My David's uncomfortable.
00:42:56
[laughter]
00:42:58
>> I look, it's nice to see you squirm. So,
00:42:59
you go to the gynecologist.
00:43:00
>> So, I go to the gynecologist who happens
00:43:02
to be named Dr. Johnson. Like, you can't
00:43:04
make it up. No, I'm not kidding. I feel
00:43:06
like that happens. My daughter has a
00:43:08
dentist named Dr. Needle. I just don't
00:43:10
There's got to be something [laughter]
00:43:12
happening there. Anyways, so I go and
00:43:15
and so he's giving me an exam and I'm
00:43:17
laying there and I'm thinking like how
00:43:19
do I say this? Like like and I'm kind of
00:43:21
like um doctor what you know it's what
00:43:23
and uh uh and then I finally go does it
00:43:25
look like a guy would have a good time
00:43:27
in there [snorts] and and
00:43:28
>> that wasn't what was supposed [laughter]
00:43:29
to come up.
00:43:31
>> And so he sort of backs away and this is
00:43:33
all real, okay? It really I I mean I
00:43:36
wrote more stuff around it but this
00:43:37
actually happened. So I he backs away
00:43:39
and he looks at me and he goes, "Terry,
00:43:43
you have a totally average vagina." And
00:43:45
and then he you know, he meant it like
00:43:48
there's nothing. It's fine. It's Yeah,
00:43:50
there's there's no problematic.
00:43:52
>> The normal word is unremarkable.
00:43:54
>> Okay. But and he used average, which is
00:43:55
fine.
00:43:56
>> Average is better. It's unremarkable.
00:43:58
>> And I told this to Brett and then he he
00:44:00
was like, "You need to write a onewoman
00:44:01
show." And so he kind of got that into
00:44:04
my head that that might even be a
00:44:05
possibility. And just going back to what
00:44:06
you're saying about wanting to work, I
00:44:09
I'm I'm obviously not even close to
00:44:12
being, you know, a a seasoned writer or
00:44:16
or comic or anything, but but it did
00:44:19
make me feel like it if you can be good
00:44:21
at it, if you have the discipline, it is
00:44:24
an area where women my age can continue
00:44:27
to tell their stories.
00:44:28
>> There's great because you have more
00:44:30
stories.
00:44:30
>> Yeah. and and like and and you know,
00:44:32
maybe you don't make a ton of money, but
00:44:34
the work of it, like to go on stage in
00:44:36
front of 30 people and tell a story that
00:44:39
>> half of them think is funny. I don't
00:44:40
know. That could feel rewarding. So,
00:44:42
I've sort of been
00:44:43
>> that's
00:44:44
>> monkeying around in that area.
00:44:46
>> Also, when you do a podcast, I'm sure
00:44:47
you finish some and you're prepping for
00:44:50
it and you go and you do it and you walk
00:44:52
away going, you feel like you did
00:44:53
something. You go, "That's interesting.
00:44:55
We did it. Oh, it kind of worked today.
00:44:57
We all those things are kind of fun if
00:44:59
you're in performer
00:45:02
>> and we stand up. You're the writer, the
00:45:03
director, the performer.
00:45:05
>> It's, you know, just a oneman band. So,
00:45:08
>> but you're likable. And also, you're
00:45:09
saying
00:45:10
>> I wish I was better at it. I mean, I
00:45:11
would, you know,
00:45:12
>> you could do it at a very high level
00:45:14
just based on hanging out with you for
00:45:16
sure. Thank you because we we we our
00:45:19
first times on stage, you know, it takes
00:45:21
a while to get desensitized to people
00:45:24
staring at you and stuff. It takes a
00:45:26
while. So you seem comfortable just
00:45:28
going up already. That's
00:45:29
>> you know and you're very honest and
00:45:30
that's a big big area for comedy
00:45:33
>> saying things that people don't say
00:45:36
>> regularly say.
00:45:37
>> I just make funny voices and he he
00:45:39
complains and talks about dating or
00:45:41
>> I don't know what I don't know.
00:45:42
>> Well
00:45:43
career but you have a most
00:45:46
>> pretty much is [laughter]
00:45:49
more squirmy.
00:45:52
>> Let's get to when I I was on as SNL when
00:45:55
she came. Yes.
00:45:56
>> And it was my last year.
00:45:58
>> You don't think you knew that?
00:45:59
>> I didn't.
00:46:00
>> But I only did one bit a week. Lauren,
00:46:03
when I left, because Adam and Chris
00:46:05
left.
00:46:07
>> They were fired though. I didn't I
00:46:08
didn't even know that. Uh sort of.
00:46:11
>> Did you meet Farley?
00:46:12
>> I did not.
00:46:13
>> You didn't?
00:46:14
>> I don't think so.
00:46:15
>> You never dragged him around?
00:46:16
>> No.
00:46:16
>> Uh because that's why I was there with
00:46:18
without those guys. But Lauren goes,
00:46:19
"Why don't you stay and do like a
00:46:21
weekend update, just your own segment,
00:46:22
but do whatever you want." I was like,
00:46:23
"Oh, great." So when when Terry hosted
00:46:27
uh you came on there and we did a bit
00:46:30
Yeah. Right. It was super fun.
00:46:31
>> Was it like Spade in America?
00:46:32
>> Yeah, that was called
00:46:34
>> And then uh Don Partn.
00:46:38
>> So she played me and I played you.
00:46:41
>> Which was really clever. You wrote that,
00:46:42
right?
00:46:43
>> Yeah. And it was pretty funny. And you
00:46:44
go
00:46:45
>> It was meta. It was super meta.
00:46:46
>> You go, I'm Terry Snatcher.
00:46:48
>> Yes.
00:46:49
>> Yeah. You played me. She dressed like
00:46:50
me. So of course that's something I
00:46:52
would say ideal,
00:46:53
>> right?
00:46:54
and we made fun of each other and I was
00:46:56
just like a girl
00:46:57
>> and uh and you hosted and did you have a
00:47:00
good time on that show?
00:47:01
>> I did. I mean I look back on it as just
00:47:06
one of the highlights of opportunity and
00:47:09
like with so much
00:47:12
gratitude that I got to have that
00:47:13
opportunity. Um I remember coming off of
00:47:17
Louisis and Clark, it must have been the
00:47:19
end, it was like late spring. I think I
00:47:22
was the second to last or the third to
00:47:24
last episode. I feel like Jim Carrey was
00:47:26
like gonna be
00:47:27
>> after me maybe for the finale.
00:47:30
>> And um
00:47:32
>> I remember feeling kind of beat up on
00:47:34
Lois and Clark and you know like maybe
00:47:36
not you're getting to have the most
00:47:38
creative input, you know, help Superman
00:47:40
help. Like it was a lot [laughter] of
00:47:41
that. And um
00:47:43
>> every every show of the script help
00:47:46
[gasps]
00:47:47
I don't need the Q cards. And I remember
00:47:49
showing up and just being, you know, in
00:47:51
that Wednesday meeting and just sort of
00:47:54
being like, I'll do anything. Whatever
00:47:56
anybody wants to write for me, I will do
00:47:58
anything. You know, I and
00:48:00
>> and that was my attitude whether people,
00:48:03
you know, appreciate it or not. I feel
00:48:05
like I did um I got to do a cheerleader
00:48:08
uh sketch
00:48:10
>> with Will and Sherry and I got to do a
00:48:13
Molly a Katherine Gallagher. Yeah. No,
00:48:15
they were all in fact that one I feel
00:48:18
like made it into like the 25 when it
00:48:20
was the 25th anniversary.
00:48:22
>> Um we uh we were doing the like I feel
00:48:25
pretty from Westside Story. It was that
00:48:27
and um she kept knocking me out of the
00:48:29
way
00:48:30
>> and um
00:48:31
>> and I did a thing with Chris Katan. We
00:48:34
did sort of
00:48:34
>> do Mango or one of those
00:48:37
greatest hits.
00:48:37
>> And I feel like there was a whoopass.
00:48:39
That was the whoopass time with whoops.
00:48:43
>> There was like or no
00:48:45
>> or or Tracy Morgan.
00:48:46
>> Oh, when he sings or something.
00:48:48
>> I don't know.
00:48:48
>> Get a can of whoopass. I don't know.
00:48:50
>> Anyways, and then I did my um opening
00:48:52
monologue with Will Frell and and I
00:48:55
think Norm wrote that.
00:48:56
>> Oh, how great.
00:48:58
>> Yeah. And it wasn't written until
00:48:59
Saturday morning. I kept saying is am I
00:49:02
going to get to look at that monologue
00:49:04
before the monologue? I remember
00:49:06
rehearsing the monologue
00:49:07
>> and I had a on Saturday I had a full-on
00:49:10
migraine like you know how they start in
00:49:11
the back
00:49:12
>> and so I I'm standing at the mic like
00:49:14
rehearsing and I had an ice pack that I
00:49:17
was holding on the back of my head and
00:49:18
people would walk by and go how are you
00:49:20
doing and I'm like oh I'm good I'm
00:49:21
really good I'm totally like [laughter]
00:49:23
never bad
00:49:23
>> like there and and the the monologue was
00:49:27
a play on the Clark Kent glasses thing
00:49:31
so so Will would come out and go with
00:49:34
like with his glasses
00:49:35
He'd be welcome
00:49:39
to whatever
00:49:42
I would look away for a second, give him
00:49:43
a chance to take the glasses off and
00:49:45
then I would look back and I would be
00:49:46
like, "Oh my god, where's Will? I What
00:49:48
happened to Will?" Like, "Will here, now
00:49:50
he's not here." And then he would put
00:49:51
him back on and it kind of went back and
00:49:52
forth like that. It was funny.
00:49:54
>> It's hard to think of monologues for
00:49:56
everybody. I mean, that's a good one for
00:49:57
you. So, it's good.
00:49:58
>> But you were known as a lovely host and
00:50:01
nice to everyone.
00:50:01
>> Oh, really? Yeah, of course. Oh, that's
00:50:03
nice.
00:50:03
>> Of course. It's in the book.
00:50:05
>> It's because it's crazy. I mean,
00:50:07
>> it's almost too much of a good thing.
00:50:09
>> The behind the scenes of the people
00:50:10
changing your wardrobe and your wigs and
00:50:12
you're ripping your clothes off and
00:50:13
putting new [laughter] clothes on and
00:50:14
shoving you out and Oh, I know what I
00:50:17
did uh with um
00:50:20
>> Oh my god, why is his name Tim? Tim.
00:50:23
Yes. Oh, who I love. We did a pre-tape
00:50:27
thing.
00:50:27
>> Yeah. where he swore like you cannot
00:50:31
believe like like and I was this it was
00:50:34
supposed to be our sitcom like like
00:50:36
homeboy and the something and and and so
00:50:40
we pretaped this thing where he would be
00:50:42
like like you know suck my whatever you
00:50:45
know whatever and then they would bleep
00:50:46
that out like [ __ ] you and whatever and
00:50:47
but they would bleep everything out and
00:50:49
I would just and my character would just
00:50:51
be like mom I can't believe he's talking
00:50:54
to me like that or whatever and he would
00:50:56
say you know what [ __ ] you know
00:50:57
whatever And um [laughter]
00:50:59
and and I remember I think at the end I
00:51:03
had to say a nasty word to him and I
00:51:06
really had a hard time. He remind he
00:51:09
somehow we connected on Instagram not
00:51:11
that long ago and he was reminding me
00:51:13
that I had a hard time saying that.
00:51:14
>> Oh my god. I'm going to see Tim next
00:51:16
week. I want to ask.
00:51:16
>> Oh you are. Yeah.
00:51:17
>> I'm going to bring it.
00:51:18
>> Yeah. How funny. But that was a pretape
00:51:20
which is another funny fun one to be in.
00:51:22
>> Yeah.
00:51:22
>> They beat you up there too.
00:51:23
>> Yeah.
00:51:24
>> It's worse now. It's like Monday before
00:51:26
your meeting you do a pre-tape all day
00:51:27
and then you go to the meeting.
00:51:29
>> Okay.
00:51:29
>> You don't even read it ahead. You're
00:51:30
like you you already said yes to this.
00:51:32
Just go and you're [clears throat] like
00:51:33
okay.
00:51:33
>> But it is people that come in like
00:51:36
everyone knows it's
00:51:37
>> you're excited to do something
00:51:38
different. Then it's like oh this is so
00:51:40
much this is this is
00:51:41
>> but I I remember it
00:51:43
>> taking it all in doing all the things.
00:51:44
You were a good sport. You did
00:51:46
everything.
00:51:46
>> That's a deathbed thing. Like I often
00:51:49
will look at life from the point of view
00:51:51
like I'll look at something that's
00:51:52
happening and I'll think like okay on my
00:51:55
deathbed am I going to be like I'm glad
00:51:57
I did this or you know that wasn't that
00:52:00
important and it's definitely I mean it
00:52:03
is definitely a thing that on my
00:52:05
deathbed I get to go and I had that
00:52:07
experience where I hosted Saturday Night
00:52:08
Live once. Oh my god. Here you go. I was
00:52:10
famous and I got on C. It's like it it
00:52:12
just proves that you're doing well and
00:52:14
you're like
00:52:14
>> it when your career's as long as you
00:52:17
know it's like three decades at least.
00:52:20
>> It just feels like a different person.
00:52:22
It feels like like I also
00:52:24
>> originated the national tour off of
00:52:27
Broadway of Cabaret playing Sally BS
00:52:29
after Natasha Richardson. I think I
00:52:31
remember
00:52:32
>> and I did seven months um LA, Chicago,
00:52:36
Boston and DC and that was a huge show
00:52:40
and you know hugely successful and lot
00:52:44
of energy and that was in 1999 2000 and
00:52:48
I do I look at that and I go I don't
00:52:50
even know who that was.
00:52:51
>> Yeah. Wow. Like I don't
00:52:52
>> so different now.
00:52:52
>> It's so weird.
00:52:54
>> You look back Yeah.
00:52:54
>> We should just talk about this thing
00:52:56
called Desperate [laughter] Housewives
00:52:57
as far as
00:52:58
>> No, we will. We're almost done. But we
00:52:59
should talk is a rocket ship.
00:53:01
>> Yes.
00:53:02
>> Like that is still, you know, and also
00:53:04
just the name of it is so Yeah.
00:53:06
>> Great name.
00:53:07
>> Well, you know, they I I looked into
00:53:09
this when we started doing the podcast.
00:53:10
I was like, what is the history of the
00:53:12
word housewives? Because obviously after
00:53:14
our show became the Real Housewives and
00:53:17
you know and then like even the hunting
00:53:19
wives and I mean they just like
00:53:21
>> you know Mark Cherry should have a
00:53:23
percentage of all of that but he doesn't
00:53:24
but he should you know because back in
00:53:27
the 70s so the in the 50s housewife was
00:53:31
like a real you know the prim proper the
00:53:33
dinner on the table the whole thing. And
00:53:34
then in the 70s with the bra burning and
00:53:36
all that it kind of people didn't use
00:53:39
that term anymore. And it really was
00:53:41
Mark that brought it back with this and
00:53:43
it it was huge that
00:53:45
>> it's just it's a it just catchy. It's
00:53:47
>> Yeah, it's catchy. And their housewives
00:53:49
was a show a hit from the go.
00:53:51
>> It re it really was. I mean, not not
00:53:54
because
00:53:56
we knew it would be or anything that
00:53:58
that I always feel like that thing is
00:54:00
just a monster of its own. You know, it
00:54:03
it I always give a lot of credit to that
00:54:05
it aired on Sunday nights at 9:00, which
00:54:08
I always felt like was the exact hour
00:54:11
>> when women had gotten their kids to bed,
00:54:14
>> but they didn't have to go to bed
00:54:15
themselves. And it was before Monday
00:54:18
where everything was going to start
00:54:19
again. It was this like one hour in the
00:54:22
week where they could be like, "This is
00:54:23
mine.
00:54:24
>> Give me my glass of wine. I'm watching
00:54:26
this show." And I feel like if they'd
00:54:28
put it on Thursday or Tuesday, I don't
00:54:30
know, maybe it wouldn't have happened.
00:54:31
Was Dallas on that? When was Dallas?
00:54:33
>> I think Dallas was before.
00:54:35
>> No, but I was Sunday night.
00:54:36
>> Oh, I don't know.
00:54:37
>> Yeah, I don't know.
00:54:38
>> But I do think a lot of live streaming
00:54:39
shows, you know, their new episodes come
00:54:41
out on Sunday. Probably for the same
00:54:43
reason. So,
00:54:44
>> but um should we talk about your podcast
00:54:47
for a sec?
00:54:47
>> Okay.
00:54:48
>> Based on what we're just talking about.
00:54:50
Well, I didn't know I Has anyone done it
00:54:52
where they're actually watching the
00:54:53
episodes with like like the episode is
00:54:57
being watched and you're talking over
00:54:59
it? Well, no, we're not doing that
00:55:01
because we don't have the rights to
00:55:03
show.
00:55:03
>> That's why we don't we don't show I
00:55:05
would have shown me and you.
00:55:07
>> Oh, okay. Yeah, that's that's why you
00:55:09
can't do it. But what we are doing and
00:55:11
what's fun is that the three of us
00:55:12
individually in our own lives. We find
00:55:15
time in the week to watch it. We make
00:55:17
our We're all very studious, so we all
00:55:19
come in with our pages of
00:55:20
>> episode by episode. Is that right?
00:55:21
>> We do. We go episode by episode. So, one
00:55:24
podcast is one full episode.
00:55:26
>> I see. Okay. And [snorts]
00:55:28
um uh and then we don't share with each
00:55:30
other our thoughts until we get to the
00:55:33
room. And and so we try to like take you
00:55:36
through the episode from the beginning
00:55:38
to the end. But then like I said, we
00:55:40
also use it as a jumping off point to
00:55:43
talk about,
00:55:44
>> you know, what one time in your life
00:55:46
when when somebody rejected you or when
00:55:49
this happened or when somebody broke up
00:55:50
with you or or whatever, whatever comes
00:55:52
up.
00:55:53
>> The office ladies obviously was one that
00:55:55
did it. um or are still doing it.
00:55:58
>> Oh. Oh, for the office. Yeah.
00:55:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. Kind of episodically going
00:56:01
over and over. So, how many episodes are
00:56:03
there Desperate House?
00:56:04
>> Well, there's eight seasons. So, I mean,
00:56:06
if the podcast works, we can we
00:56:10
are there obviously some I'm sorry to
00:56:11
interrupt you, but um we promised we
00:56:13
would. Uh [laughter]
00:56:15
do you some you really remember and some
00:56:18
you don't really remember? I would say
00:56:20
mostly I don't remember anything until
00:56:23
[laughter]
00:56:24
>> until I'm I mean really like like I
00:56:28
don't remember anything until um I watch
00:56:32
it and then of course I go oh yeah okay
00:56:35
well now I I I remember that now and
00:56:37
then sometimes I have more vivid
00:56:39
memories about the actual filming of it
00:56:41
or not. But it is also interesting and I
00:56:44
said this at the time when it came out
00:56:47
because it had this four to five lead
00:56:49
characters.
00:56:50
>> Mhm.
00:56:50
>> A lot of the show I'm not in.
00:56:54
>> You know, all of the scenes that happen
00:56:56
between those different marital families
00:57:00
>> I didn't see be filmed and I and I
00:57:02
wasn't there. So I'm kind of enjoying
00:57:04
it.
00:57:05
>> And you're not watching it every week.
00:57:06
>> Yeah. And I'm And so now I'm enjoying it
00:57:08
like a watching the whole thing. You
00:57:11
don't know more than half of the show
00:57:12
you haven't seen.
00:57:13
>> I Yeah. And so I find myself a lot
00:57:15
going, "Oh my god, can you believe how
00:57:17
great she was in that scene?" Like
00:57:18
literally the best comic timing ever.
00:57:20
You know, whatever. Um I find myself
00:57:23
doing that a lot.
00:57:23
>> Who were you closest with or are you
00:57:25
still close with anyone there?
00:57:26
>> Not really. Um I mean I was honestly I
00:57:31
was I'm more of like a crew person. I
00:57:33
mean, a lot of the camera crew and um we
00:57:37
would go camping together, like all of
00:57:39
our families, like we would go up to Big
00:57:41
Su and go camping together. I mean, and
00:57:42
I would have people to my house and
00:57:44
stuff. I'm I'm I was also the only
00:57:47
single mom at the time.
00:57:49
>> Oh.
00:57:50
>> And and I was also divorced, so I was
00:57:53
sharing custody, so there were pretty
00:57:55
strict custodial hours to when I had my
00:57:59
daughter and and then I was working a
00:58:01
lot. And and so I kind of wasn't
00:58:04
particularly social because it was like
00:58:06
if I had the night off, I was going to
00:58:07
be with my kid like and and
00:58:10
>> I I I that never got talked about. And I
00:58:14
think people don't you don't hear a lot
00:58:17
of people talk about what is hard about
00:58:19
being a parent with 50% custody and and
00:58:24
>> the kind of stress that is or pressure
00:58:26
or whatever. And so that was also going
00:58:28
on for me at the time. But I Vanessa
00:58:31
Williams I guess is is a good friend of
00:58:33
mine and um we still keep in touch.
00:58:36
>> Lead gaffer apparently. [laughter]
00:58:38
>> Lead gaffer. Yeah.
00:58:40
>> I mean there's definitely people that I
00:58:42
keep in touch with just not everyone.
00:58:44
>> And you do you live in the valley? I
00:58:45
think you used to live in the valley.
00:58:47
>> I still live in the same house.
00:58:48
>> Not the same. Is there a van in the
00:58:49
front yard?
00:58:50
>> There is a van and I still have my van.
00:58:52
I put solar panels on my 1978 VW bus
00:58:55
camper which I still love to drive
00:58:57
around. Did you buy that new 70?
00:58:59
>> I was the second owner. So I've owned it
00:59:01
for 25 years. Um and I was the second
00:59:04
owner.
00:59:04
>> Okay. Does it run?
00:59:06
>> Yeah. I get it tuned up all the time. I
00:59:08
also have a 1974 Ford Explorer truck.
00:59:10
Like I'm a I'm a hick. I'm a nerd and a
00:59:13
hick. These are things people don't
00:59:14
think of you. A hick when I see it.
00:59:16
>> What would be the fanciest thing you
00:59:18
own? I mean like a watch or do you have
00:59:20
anything? David has 29 watches.
00:59:22
>> No, I have two watches.
00:59:24
>> This is made of solid gold. It's no big
00:59:26
deal. It cost a million dollars. Okay.
00:59:27
>> Um,
00:59:28
>> does it make you feel good about
00:59:29
yourself?
00:59:29
>> He gets kidnapped a lot, but [laughter]
00:59:31
I always I always pay the rent swatch.
00:59:33
>> I have a few. Okay. I'm really not that
00:59:36
fancy. I I have a um diamond panther
00:59:40
Cardier ring that I guess is pretty
00:59:43
fancy that I bought for myself for my
00:59:45
40th birthday.
00:59:46
>> Okay.
00:59:47
>> Um
00:59:49
>> my daughter
00:59:51
>> actually, which I I have used once. It
00:59:53
sits in my closet. My daughter bought me
00:59:56
probably for my 50th birthday. She got
00:59:58
together with grandma and she bought me
01:00:01
an Hermes Birkin bag which I
01:00:05
>> which I don't even use because I'm not
01:00:08
that person but but it was the she my
01:00:11
daughter writes great birthday cards
01:00:13
>> and she wrote a card about she basically
01:00:16
was just saying that you know from her
01:00:18
perception I've never put myself first
01:00:20
like I would never take that money and
01:00:22
spend it on myself. I would spend it on
01:00:23
you guys before I would spend it on
01:00:25
myself. Like I just I just don't do
01:00:27
that. I spend a lot of money on other
01:00:29
people and and
01:00:31
>> um
01:00:32
>> I mean and so anyways, she just felt
01:00:34
like it was time that I had one and I
01:00:36
mean I the thing that touched me the
01:00:38
most about it was her gesture to go do
01:00:40
that as a surprise, but like I've I've
01:00:43
used it once. It's I feel weird using
01:00:45
it.
01:00:45
>> True. But it's nice to have someone go
01:00:47
out of their way to get you a big
01:00:48
expensive gift like you deserve this.
01:00:50
It's nice.
01:00:50
>> Yeah. That's what
01:00:51
>> whether you used it or not, but
01:00:53
>> it does feel weird.
01:00:54
>> But I like to take trips, you know, I
01:00:56
like to spend my money on um I took all
01:00:58
of my girlfriends I got really great
01:01:00
seats to see Pink um at the at Dodger
01:01:03
Stadium last year
01:01:05
>> and I mean that cost a lot. We got and
01:01:07
we got a bus and we all went together
01:01:08
and that's that's that's a deathbed
01:01:10
thing. I will not be sorry. I spent that
01:01:12
money.
01:01:13
>> But that's worth it. Those things are
01:01:14
worth go to a concert, sit up front, pay
01:01:16
the money if you have some money. Yeah.
01:01:18
I agree. I'm with you. I do that a lot.
01:01:19
Yeah.
01:01:19
>> Yeah.
01:01:20
>> All right.
01:01:20
>> So, the podcast is
01:01:23
>> Wait, that's it. Not one more question.
01:01:26
Go ahead. No, go ahead.
01:01:27
>> Do you have any statements? Anything you
01:01:29
like to
01:01:29
>> No, I think did I finish my thought on
01:01:31
the thing though? I think I did. I said
01:01:33
that these three different women that we
01:01:36
were all that that's what I find the
01:01:38
most fun like the way you guys are the
01:01:40
most fun about our podcast is that yes
01:01:42
we are re-watching Desperate Housewives
01:01:44
but we're using it as the springboard to
01:01:46
be like a community of women talking
01:01:48
about life and hopefully I think I I
01:01:51
hope people
01:01:52
>> will like our chemistry and want to hang
01:01:53
out with us.
01:01:54
>> That's really what this whole thing is
01:01:55
about. And when I was listening to you
01:01:57
three, you were just chatting about all
01:01:59
kinds of stuff before you got into the
01:02:01
episode. So that just
01:02:02
>> I think that's important because they
01:02:04
wanted like you settle in.
01:02:05
>> Yes.
01:02:06
>> And you talk, you haven't seen each
01:02:07
other overnight, you go, "Hey, what
01:02:08
happened?" If anything fun happens, Dana
01:02:10
and I do that sometimes at the
01:02:11
beginning. Yeah.
01:02:12
>> And we just talk about a stupid weekend,
01:02:13
but it it's kind of
01:02:15
>> makes you relatable and then you get
01:02:16
into it. It is sort of just them
01:02:18
listening along and like they're sitting
01:02:20
in the room with you. So
01:02:21
>> yeah,
01:02:22
>> I uh I expect good things from that.
01:02:24
>> I hope so. Thank you guys for helping.
01:02:26
>> We're going to look at the charts and we
01:02:27
if you go ahead of us, we will.
01:02:29
>> I I seriously doubt that. I seriously
01:02:32
doubt that. But I hope you help us pick
01:02:35
up a few viewers. I hope I I get brave
01:02:38
enough to do some standup. I hope you
01:02:40
do, too. Maybe you can come just tell me
01:02:42
I'm bad. That's I don't even have to be.
01:02:43
I just want
01:02:44
>> I don't I don't look at it as magic, you
01:02:47
know? I mean, maybe there's levels of
01:02:48
people that are so high, but as far as
01:02:50
just being a really good standup, you
01:02:53
can learn. you already have all the back
01:02:55
and you've got the the whole vibe that's
01:02:56
funny. So, it's only
01:02:58
>> and you don't seem like you're scared up
01:02:59
there and that's where people get so
01:03:01
scared, right?
01:03:01
>> And it
01:03:02
>> it takes years. You're past that.
01:03:05
>> So, now it's just picking stories and
01:03:07
then you tape it, see what kind of
01:03:08
worked. You listen back, which is
01:03:10
excruciating, and [laughter] then you
01:03:11
go, "Okay, well, that worked. I don't
01:03:13
even need this part. Okay, tighten that
01:03:14
up."
01:03:15
>> And then you try it again. Yeah.
01:03:16
>> And then that's like a fun puzzle in
01:03:19
itself. Yeah.
01:03:19
>> Is you're trying to figure out crack the
01:03:21
code of why?
01:03:22
Women of a certain age is a great area.
01:03:24
I can't remember the name. Her last name
01:03:26
is Morgan, I think, but she
01:03:28
>> Leanne. That's so amazing. She's so
01:03:31
inspiring.
01:03:32
>> Yes, she's super sweet.
01:03:33
>> So, there you go. There's a huge
01:03:34
audience for I'll definitely come see
01:03:36
you do stand up.
01:03:37
>> All right. So, you tell me. Okay. So,
01:03:39
good to see you. We didn't even get to
01:03:41
talk about George Bush. Damn it.
01:03:42
>> Oh, [laughter]
01:03:44
man. Terry,
01:03:46
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