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Julia Sweeney, who I was shared several
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years on Saturday Night Live. So did
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David. And we had this really nice
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interview with her. So we're bringing
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her back. In case you missed it, she's
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uh she had a character named It's Pat
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that was kind of a big hit on SNL. There
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was a movie. It was controversial in its
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own way, but she's very talented and
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very open about uh
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>> androgynous character. Mhm.
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>> Everyone tried to figure out if it was a
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man or woman. That was a big joke. And
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it was funny.
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>> She also was a strong utility player
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because like Phil as a female, she would
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come in and she was in a lot of sketches
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because of this and she could play
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anything and
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>> throw a wig on and give her an accent.
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And uh it was fun to sit with her and
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look back because we were there a lot at
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the same time.
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>> Yeah. Early 90s.
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>> Just good.
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>> You know, you always focus on the fun.
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and we and uh some of the tough times,
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but we overall we all had a great time
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there.
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>> Mhm.
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>> She was a trip down memory lane.
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>> Yeah. One of the greats, Julia Sweeney.
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>> You've done two or three onewoman shows
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based on
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>> Well, really just one.
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>> Letting Go of God was the
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>> Yeah, that's the religion one. The other
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ones are other things.
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>> God said, "Ha." Yeah, I got it. But but
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the really So you're an atheist?
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>> Yes. Although I really
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>> It sounds so negative, but it's just
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atheist.
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>> Yes. Well, no, because to American ears,
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atheist sounds like um I hate puppies
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and flowers.
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>> Yes.
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Kind of a Nazi thing to it or something.
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>> Yeah. Even though the Nazis weren't
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atheists, but I which I'm always
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explaining to people. Okay. But anyway,
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>> well, it comes from Catholicism. Um but
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um yeah I yeah I mean I've had a yeah I
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don't believe I don't let me put it this
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way. I don't live my life under the
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assumption that there is a deity
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watching what I do.
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>> Right.
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>> I guess that makes me an atheist.
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>> Yeah. I guess uh I don't know what I I I
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keep coming back to this like I can't
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comprehend infinity that there was no
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beginning or end to this whatever. Why
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why do things exist and when did they
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get here? So, I keep going around with
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that. I I did know a Jehovah's Witness
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once who who told me he could understand
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infinity. I said, "So, you can think of
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a God who never was not here, was always
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here." He looked up and he goes, "Yeah,
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I got it." Yep. Yep.
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>> Not me. I want to say to the record, I
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like puppies and I like flowers. I think
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Julie what people is the it hits the ear
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like if you don't believe in that then
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you don't believe what we believe is
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that that created those things so you're
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against everything. Is that kind of what
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the vibe is?
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>> Yeah, that's and it's like a very I used
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to think I could
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I don't know what I thought. I guess I
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thought doing my show I would change
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people's mind. I wasn't doing it to
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change people's mind. Actually, the
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reason I did the show is because for me
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it was a huge huge the philosophical
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transformation. I wasn't particularly
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religious before. So, it was about age
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40 that this happened.
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>> Well, I was religious. I wanted to be a
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nun in high school. I was completely
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committed Catholic, but I let it kind of
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go away.
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>> And then I had a crisis in my life that
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made me believe more like I really felt,
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you know, like I had religious
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experiences. And then after that, I
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started trying to think, well, what was
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going on with those experiences? And
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then as I learned more and more about
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the brain and how we evolved, then I
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finally read the Bible. I, you know, and
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then over two years, I realized that I
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could explain it psychologically or
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naturally or, you know, like I didn't
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need a god to explain what happened to
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me. And then so then I wanted that was a
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big dramatic change in my life. And I
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had been doing these oneperson shows
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about things like that. So I thought, oh
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that's a good challenge to kind of do a
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oneperson show about a change of mind
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that all the dramas all takes place in
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your head
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>> and that was really hard and I didn't
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necessarily achievement achieve it. I
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had to make stories and you know like I
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had to conform to normal dramatic
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structure but I did it and it was
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probably my most popular show and but I
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wasn't thinking I'm going to convince
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people to be an atheist. It was more
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like
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>> it have comedic tones I'm sure.
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>> Oh yes. It was actually I felt defensive
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about it because I felt like I was
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getting as many laughs per five minutes
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as comedians were but because it was a
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difficult topic I wasn't considered a
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standup you know like
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>> right
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>> and
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>> well it's a brave topic and that's
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harder in standup it's more respected in
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a way to try to tackle things instead of
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7-Eleven which I tackle
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>> I w I watched about 12 minutes of it I
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thought it was really charming and the
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way you walked yourself into it was very
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disarming for the audience. But yeah,
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did I ever believe in a magic god and
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all that stuff? No, I'm I'm with you on
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that. I mean, I never never bought it
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and no one bought it in the Lutheran
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church. Even the pastors, you could tell
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>> I fully believe now that all everyone no
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one really believes it. I mean like I
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think about tribalism and history and a
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affection for the ritual and affection
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for the way of life
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>> and so it almost is like it was useless
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to try to argue rationally with someone
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about it. It isn't a rational choice.
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It's usually you're born into it or you
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have an emotional thing that makes you
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join something because it helps your
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life like and
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>> you know I don't care. That's fine with
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me WITH PEOPLE LIKE I'M NOT YOU KNOW so
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>> I went back to the Catholic church with
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my wife and I found it just interesting
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because they were talking about Pontious
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Pilot and stuff you know and it's like
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wow they're still doing it. It was like
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a going back in time but
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>> they're still doing these bits.
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>> Yeah but
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>> I know it's the old material.
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Um,
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>> David, have you ever
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>> Yeah. Now I kind of as a hobby follow
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these right-wing Catholics.
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>> It's interesting.
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>> Rightwing. Okay.
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>> Oh, yeah. There's a huge schism coming
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in the church, I think.
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>> Oh, that makes sense. I
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>> Because there's the Latin massers and
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there the people who are with Pope
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Benedict and not with Pope Francis and
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they think Francis is the anti-popee.
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>> Did you say Pope Benedict or Pope
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Wedict? Good night. Sorry. Okay. Anyway,
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I Jesus,
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>> I canceled. I'm sorry. I'm canceled
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every five minutes.
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>> I like that one.
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>> I just made
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>> I just made it up. Anyway, um should we
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talk about your other supernatural
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experience meeting David Spade in 19
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>> Julia
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>> when you got My question for Julia is
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and then we're going to get to me and
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Julia of course. Uh when she I think you
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came from Groundlings. So when there
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when when that happens and you can
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explain how it happens. Is there any
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jealousy when someone gets plucked out
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of groundlings?
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>> Well, it's so funny. I think I was so
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naive. I didn't think anyone was jealous
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of me and I wasn't jealous of other
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people, but now I understand that most
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people get really jealous of those
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things. I mean,
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so I was just kind of oblivious about it
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towards me and and the people who got on
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before me, um, like Phil Hartman and
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John Loveitz, who I only didn't know
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well, but I I knew Phil a lot better
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than John. But
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>> um, I didn't feel jealous. I just
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thought, "Wow, that's so exciting." You
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know, like I didn't But
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>> there's something weird wrong with me
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that I don't feel that way. I actually
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don't feel that way. No, it's an
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innocence. A nice It's a nice innocence
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that you might
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>> you learn later like, "Oh [ __ ] they're
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mad at me because of this." Or I started
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to feel those tingles
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>> of jealousy at SNL to be honest and and
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and
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of getting on.
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>> Yeah. Well, at Groundlings, everyone's
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good too, you know, but SNL is just a
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whole another level like going from
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college probably to uh
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>> Oh, yeah. I mean, my experience with the
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Growlings was all for one and one for
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all and if someone gets something, we're
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all happy. And then at SNL, it took me a
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long time to understand how to be
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competitive, you know, like
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>> I didn't It was really I was really kind
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of a lamb fed to the sharks in certain
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ways, but I did adapt.
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Melanie Melanie Hutzel we talked with
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recently and she talked about
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>> I love her
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>> and she's so sweet and so southern and
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she talked about that the difference the
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standups were kind of trained to kill
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and destroy and el elbow out and seemed
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like the groundies were sweeter and
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nicer overall.
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>> No way. I mean, I'm sure I was naive and
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I was and frankly I was succeeding so
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much I didn't know that sounds arrogant
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to say, but at that moment I was
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succeeding enough that I didn't have any
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awareness of the competitiveness of it.
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I was just thought we were all doing it.
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And but then when I got to SNL, well
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actually and I feel like I had mostly
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really good experience there, but now
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that I'm older, um, and I look back, I
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think I I really didn't understand what
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was going on. I didn't understand how
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hard you had to compete. I thought we
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were all just going to look out for each
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other.
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>> Yeah. Well, when when Nora and Jen left
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and you came in, it seemed like you had
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a lot of you were very active initially.
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You were doing stuff
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>> before I was beaten down.
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>> Well, you became the go-to wifeid.
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>> You were just in every sketch in a
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sense. You and Phil had that sort of a
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lot of sketches together, right? And you
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were very active your first
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>> Yeah.
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>> I mean, he was with Jan was mostly his
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wife, but I was like I was the B team
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wife.
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>> But then Jen left the show and there you
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were. And then you came. Yeah. You were
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the alternative wife. That's
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>> Did you and Jan overlap a year and maybe
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Nora?
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>> One year. Okay.
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>> A year. Yeah.
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>> And Nora? Not at all.
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>> No, cuz I think I replaced her if you
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think of it like that.
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>> Chased her out is what we call it.
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>> No, she elbows. There was several shows
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she was not at.
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>> Sharp elbows.
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>> You got some sharp elbows, Sweeny. Don't
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play it. But
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>> that's a good SNL book title.
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>> Yes. Sharp elbows.
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>> Well, yeah. Julia, so you come in, you
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get plucked from the groundlings. Was it
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anyone else with you or was Phil and
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John already there, but you got plucked
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solo?
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Yeah. And you know it was between me and
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Lisa Kudro.
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>> And when I got it, I thought, you know,
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I hope Lisa gets something.
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>> Oh,
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>> she deserves success like me.
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>> Yeah. Bless her heart. I hope she You
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go. I hope one day she makes
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>> someday she gets on a show, you know,
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cuz she You know what? She deserves it.
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>> You know what's funny? I'm not saying I
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if there was room for two women and I'm
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saying back then it was probably a lot
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tougher where they wouldn't even
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consider that. I know
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>> but you and Lisa would have been such a
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>> I mean Lisa was wonderful. I mean
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>> so I mean it was it did I kind of bought
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into that culture too like you have
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three women and seven to 10 guys and
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that's how it is.
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>> Way too many women. Yeah, it was a good
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ratio. 12 guys and three women. I really
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enjoyed that. In fairness, it was true
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that there was, you know, talk about not
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enough for the women and and it was
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true. And so, and it's very
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>> it it's I think nowadays they're more
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cognizant of it because there's a lot of
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great women have come through there.
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>> I think I think you paved the way
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changed everything. I think she
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revolutionized us now.
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>> Yeah. and doing update and and writing
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and
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>> and bringing women in and pointing out
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that there's no reason not to have the
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women that if all the sketches are so
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male focused that there's only women as
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weird archetypes in suit sketches here
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and there.
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>> It's like you're never going to get the
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women used. You have to really change
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your whole point of view. And I don't I
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wasn't there but and I don't even know
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Tina Fay but I I sense that there was a
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huge revolution took place that was a
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good one. You know, it's funny. When
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Tina was there, that was It sounds
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crazy, but that might have been the
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first time when there's like a sketch
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with all women.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Where people would be like, "What?"
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>> Well, she wrote about that in her book.
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I mean, I not about the sketch, but just
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about why you couldn't have a whole
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sketch group that was all women or
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>> like why can't why wouldn't you be able
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to think up a lot of sketches for a lot
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of women that didn't happen to have a
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man in it, you know? Like, and and I was
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I had that prejudice myself. Like, I
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really thought, "Oh, yeah. You think of
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something for a guy to do
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and then you think how you could come
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in, you know, like it
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>> it took a long time for me to see how
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much the sexism was even in myself.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And that that was sort of the way it
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was. We were all there around the same
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time. And I remember it was just the way
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it was thought, good or bad, it was just
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the way it was thought.
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>> It's amazing how you don't even question
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certain things. Like I thought of myself
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as a liberated progressive person and
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yet I didn't I thought oh yeah we'll
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always be three women and 10 guys.
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>> Well also they uh Sarah Palin came in as
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a vice presidential candidate. So that
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was and then Hillary later so that gave
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two political parts. There were you know
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um I don't know who you could do back
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then really. I mean Senator Feinstein
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she was there.
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>> Oh Chel you you did Chelsea. Did it say
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that you that she had that rubbed
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somebody wrong? Yeah, Hillary.
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>> Oh, you did.
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>> You did Chelsea. Okay.
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>> Chelsea Clinton wrote a letter to
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Lauren.
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>> And then people were saying how
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unattractively I was playing Chelsea and
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all I did was not wear makeup and put
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braces on.
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>> I was like, if you say that, you're
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saying I'm unattractive. Like, which
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maybe that's so, but it's like that's
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like I wasn't trying to make her
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unattractive
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>> with all that prosthetics. So, you made
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her look horrible. You're like, I just
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went I just washed my face and then I
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walked in and put a wig on.
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>> I just didn't wear makeup and put on
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braces. That was it. And a wig, a long
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wig, a curly wig. But anyway, but I
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understood what Hillary was saying,
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especially now that I'm a parent. Like,
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it's like,
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>> yeah, [ __ ] off, you know? I mean, don't
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play kids. I mean, that was wrong. She
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was right. That was wrong.
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>> What about when uh Farley played
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>> apology?
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>> Who was the mayor? Or was it whose kid
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did Farley play? They played him like
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such a [ __ ] jumping all over his dad
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and while he's giving a speech. Do you
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remember that game?
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>> Yeah. Was it Phil?
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>> Was it Giuliani?
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>> I can't remember.
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>> Yeah, it was Julian's 10-year-old boy,
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Andrew.
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>> Boy. Yeah. Yeah. And he would just wear
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a suit and grab and eats hamburgers and
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Yeah. If I was I would have been
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furious, of course. Uh if you had to
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watch that as your own kid.
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>> Yeah. We did a lot of things that we
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couldn't do now. You know, I was in
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Lyall Bulock, the affeminate herosexual.
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>> I know, but I can't People mention that
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to me so often. I mean, people love
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that. That describes the type of person
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and behavior that is recognizable that
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hadn't been labeled yet. I mean, like
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that was I mean, at least in a pop
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culture sense. So, I feel like that and
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I think that's true. That is true. There
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are people who are feminine and
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heterosexual who are men. That's a true
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thing. I mean, like,
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>> right.
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>> I don't even Why I don't see how people
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could be offended by it.
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>> Well, what I found out later that that
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uh pained me was that I think it was the
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mixer in the booth. The gentleman at the
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time was gay. And when that sketch came
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on, he recused himself.
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>> Oh, really?
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>> Someone else worked the lever. So, and
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>> why does he think that being um
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affeminite mannerisms is um pjorative
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towards a gay person? I mean,
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>> right, you it goes both ways. You're
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right.
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>> You know, like I guess I don't Yeah, I
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find it hard to understand some of the
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stuff that people object to. But anyway,
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>> uh I'm with you. We're we're comedians
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and we're not very offendable and we
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want to say the thing you're not
00:16:17
supposed to say. It's just instinctual
00:16:19
and do the thing you're not supposed to
00:16:20
do. And so we're not normal. And then
00:16:23
but that one I couldn't do today. And I
00:16:26
did an Asian character too. Um we're
00:16:29
making our making our way to a character
00:16:31
called Pat too which is has had a
00:16:35
resurgence in notoriety in the last few
00:16:38
years. I mean there's been a lot of talk
00:16:40
about
00:16:41
>> You're way ahead of the game on that.
00:16:42
>> Or behind.
00:16:44
>> Or behind. That's right.
00:16:45
>> I Yeah. I mean I the thing for me is
00:16:50
that I always thought the joke was
00:16:51
mostly about the people who were around
00:16:53
Pat who were so flumx who were so so
00:16:56
freaked out which I thought was
00:16:58
>> Christine and I at the beginning because
00:17:00
we wrote all those sketches together
00:17:02
>> Xander
00:17:03
>> Christine Xander is we said at the
00:17:05
beginning the jokes are not on Pat the
00:17:08
except that Pat looks weird and drools
00:17:10
and is annoying but it's not because of
00:17:14
people aren't gonna laugh at Pat for
00:17:17
Pat's
00:17:18
androgyny. What we're laughing at is the
00:17:20
people around Pat
00:17:23
that Pat's androgynous. So to me,
00:17:25
>> it makes them frustrated.
00:17:27
>> Yeah. And so, but that's a subtle comedy
00:17:30
thing, you know, that people Yeah.
00:17:32
There's people Yeah. There's a lot of
00:17:34
people upset by Pat. And
00:17:35
>> it's Yeah.
00:17:36
>> And the truth is I wasn't thinking of
00:17:39
androgynous people as an SNL audience.
00:17:41
You know what I mean? I was doing a
00:17:43
character like we're laughing at this
00:17:45
idea.
00:17:47
If I if I thought the audience was
00:17:49
filled with androgynous people, I
00:17:51
probably would have played it a little
00:17:53
differently. You know what I mean? Like
00:17:54
we didn't think of those people as our
00:17:56
audience. But now you would. Now you
00:17:59
would.
00:18:00
>> You would be aware of them. But then I
00:18:01
to me to me the character forget that
00:18:04
it's Pat and no one knows whether it's a
00:18:05
man or a woman is just a funny
00:18:08
character.
00:18:10
>> You know that's what I mean it the way
00:18:11
she moved, the way she talked, it was
00:18:13
just a funny character.
00:18:14
>> Goofy. I guess if I did it again, I
00:18:17
would make Pat more enigmatic and make
00:18:19
it clearer that it was about the other
00:18:21
people and not Pat. Almost more Charlie
00:18:23
Chaplaines, like just people not talking
00:18:26
much,
00:18:28
>> just just about everyone else's
00:18:30
reactions.
00:18:31
>> But anyway, no one's asking me to do
00:18:33
that. So,
00:18:34
>> no, it's never too late for a It's uh
00:18:37
Pat two, you know. I think it's time for
00:18:40
another one. We do it for 8 million at
00:18:42
Warers. Oh, wait. Let me tell you the
00:18:44
saddest story.
00:18:46
>> Okay. Oh, now I love it. I was going to
00:18:49
I was going to New York and I was going
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to go to SNL and bring my daughter who
00:18:52
hadn't g I guess we've gone twice in her
00:18:55
life, but this was one of those times
00:18:57
and the Supreme Court had just had a
00:18:59
case where they had brought up Pat at
00:19:01
the Supreme Court during the case and
00:19:04
Alito didn't know who Pat was and then
00:19:06
there were these jokes about it and
00:19:10
Lauren and I had been emailing each
00:19:12
other for something else. I think I had
00:19:14
to get permission for something. Anyway,
00:19:16
we had had this email and I and either
00:19:20
he or I was like, "Oh, isn't that funny
00:19:21
that the Supreme Court joked about Pat
00:19:24
and who on the Supreme Court knew who
00:19:26
Pat was or whatever?" And then he said,
00:19:29
"When you come when you come to the show
00:19:33
next week, bring your Pat outfit with
00:19:36
you to New York because maybe, you know,
00:19:38
I don't know. Who knows? You know, maybe
00:19:40
we'll do something out of the Supreme
00:19:41
Court thing." But then the actual act of
00:19:44
the sad fact of me, you know, like at
00:19:47
58,
00:19:49
not at really like packing my pad outfit
00:19:52
in a suitcase and bringing it
00:19:54
>> hoping hoping that maybe we do a pad
00:19:58
sketch. Like it was really and of course
00:20:00
no one even mentioned it and the whole
00:20:02
like I had to bring the [ __ ] psuit
00:20:04
and it was so it was such an off-hand
00:20:06
comment and then I took it. I SHOULDN'T
00:20:09
HAVE OH GOD. EVERY TIME.
00:20:10
>> WAS IT ON A HANGER AND DID you show up
00:20:12
with it on a hanger or was it a little
00:20:14
>> Here's my outfit.
00:20:15
>> Yeah, it's a really
00:20:17
>> Was it a cold opening or is it an update
00:20:19
piece? And everyone's like, "Is what?"
00:20:21
>> No, no, NO ONE EVEN MENTIONED IT. AND
00:20:23
THEN IT WAS LIKE IN front of my husband
00:20:24
and daughter, which we all just took
00:20:26
carry on. It's like, "No, I have to
00:20:27
check my my Patrick."
00:20:30
>> And then and THEN IT'S LIKE, "OH, WELL,
00:20:32
I GUESS I I really didn't need to."
00:20:34
>> How come How come church lady never got
00:20:37
together with Pat? If I was Pat, not on
00:20:39
church chat. That seems like
00:20:41
>> I know. We should have done that.
00:20:42
>> God,
00:20:43
>> I always travel with my Tom Petty hat.
00:20:47
>> He did it in the mutton chops, right?
00:20:50
>> Pork chops. Yeah. Little chops in the
00:20:52
side. And just, you know, you never know
00:20:53
when someone's going to want it at a
00:20:54
birthday party or something.
00:20:56
>> Oh my god.
00:21:03
when you when you came on, you um well,
00:21:06
you started I started four four weeks of
00:21:10
the end of a season with Schneider and
00:21:12
then I think you started with Rock and
00:21:16
Farley that that
00:21:17
>> Farley was there. I came and visited the
00:21:19
show when he did his um
00:21:22
>> Patrick sees sketch.
00:21:25
>> I watched that show from the
00:21:27
>> audience, but I wasn't on the show yet.
00:21:29
So, you came in mid-season probably,
00:21:31
right?
00:21:31
>> Well, no, it was just I think it was the
00:21:32
next episode.
00:21:34
>> Oh, okay.
00:21:34
>> Maybe I knew I was going to start, but I
00:21:36
wasn't in that episode.
00:21:37
>> I came the week before to look at a
00:21:39
show. They said, "Why don't you come
00:21:40
early?" And I think that maybe what they
00:21:42
do to us, but and and you watch it and
00:21:44
going, "Oh my god, I'm going to be part
00:21:46
of this [ __ ] It's moving so fast. I
00:21:48
have no idea what's going on."
00:21:49
>> I think it's scary watching a practice
00:21:51
show knowing projecting yourself out
00:21:52
there a week later. How will I be out
00:21:54
there? of it just
00:21:55
>> but you guys are you're because you guys
00:21:57
go see to me it wasn't but it wasn't
00:21:59
scary to me but that's not saying that
00:22:01
it shouldn't have been scary but um I
00:22:04
think because of doing sketches at the
00:22:05
grounds like I it was just like I was in
00:22:08
so many sketches and you had to learn it
00:22:09
was very similar to being at the ground
00:22:11
>> yeah you're right that's right that's
00:22:13
different for me and Dana because we
00:22:14
>> so it didn't seem scary I just I
00:22:15
actually had the opposite like I thought
00:22:17
as I watched it I thought oh I can do
00:22:19
this I can do this
00:22:21
>> oh good yeah
00:22:22
>> so so you come in and you see all of So,
00:22:25
Phil, you knew and you have great uh
00:22:27
admiration for Phil and you guys were
00:22:29
>> He's been my teacher at
00:22:31
>> Oh, teacher.
00:22:33
>> Yeah.
00:22:34
>> God, who's better to teach? He's so
00:22:36
good.
00:22:36
>> Oh my god. No, he changed my life with
00:22:38
his teaching. He was such a good He
00:22:40
could really Not very many comedians um
00:22:42
can explain why they're funny and how
00:22:44
they do it. and he could, you know,
00:22:47
>> funny thing about Phil seeing around the
00:22:49
office is how Dana knows him way better,
00:22:51
but how unassuming and how egoless and
00:22:55
he's always thinking about other things
00:22:56
at work when I'm only thinking about SNL
00:22:58
cuz I'm so but he's so good. He would be
00:23:01
like, hey, I might go fishing this
00:23:02
weekend or hey, and then you think, how
00:23:03
are you thinking of one other thing?
00:23:05
This is driving me mental to try to but
00:23:08
he just
00:23:08
>> I just remember how organized he was. He
00:23:10
had his folder, all the sketches, all
00:23:12
the lines. He really made sure he knew
00:23:14
his lines.
00:23:15
>> Oh, he's so good. Yeah.
00:23:16
>> He took it so seriously.
00:23:17
>> Yeah. And then he was he was so
00:23:19
disciplined around it and then he would
00:23:21
have a Popular Mechanics or some kind of
00:23:23
>> Motorboat Today magazine. He'd be
00:23:26
looking at
00:23:27
>> schematics of an Evan Route and then
00:23:29
he'd put it down and then he'd go in a
00:23:30
rehearsal scene, nail it, perfect, go
00:23:33
back out.
00:23:34
>> I think he had that red hard cover that
00:23:36
says Saturday Night Live in the corner
00:23:38
in that circle and then it was like a
00:23:39
red hard notebook and you'd open it up.
00:23:42
three ring binder and you put your
00:23:43
That's right. I'd put my two pages of
00:23:46
script for that week in there and open
00:23:47
up a
00:23:48
>> my update.
00:23:49
>> It's a consistent theme with David. He
00:23:51
had a rough time.
00:23:52
>> I keep saying it. Uh and then so you got
00:23:56
along pretty much like you knew. What
00:23:58
were your first first thoughts of like
00:24:00
an Adam or something?
00:24:03
>> What's my first thoughts about what
00:24:05
>> about like Sandler or Farley?
00:24:08
>> Um Sandler came a little later I think.
00:24:10
>> Oh, right. a year later.
00:24:12
>> I think he wasn't there right away. Um
00:24:14
>> Ellen Clayghorn was with you. Um
00:24:18
>> Siobhan Fallon.
00:24:20
>> Yeah, I love Siobhan.
00:24:21
>> Melanie Hutzel and Beth, right?
00:24:24
>> Beth for your season.
00:24:25
>> Beth Cahill. Yeah,
00:24:26
>> those were kind of your primary.
00:24:28
>> Yeah, I didn't really know Beth very
00:24:29
well. Um
00:24:30
>> they were she was just there for one
00:24:32
year, but um
00:24:34
>> yeah, I mean it was exciting. I mean, of
00:24:36
course it was the most exciting thing.
00:24:38
you're at the center of the universe and
00:24:39
you're at the top of what you would want
00:24:41
to be for your, you know, your skill
00:24:44
set. I mean, like, IT'S THE BEST. I
00:24:46
MEAN, IT was the greatest, most
00:24:48
thrilling thing. I would say it was
00:24:49
completely great till the last year.
00:24:52
And, um, at first,
00:24:53
>> what happened the last year going?
00:24:56
>> Well, I for one thing, the sketches
00:24:58
changed. They were more bro sketches.
00:25:00
Um, and
00:25:01
>> who would be doing that?
00:25:04
>> I wasn't there was no place for me in
00:25:06
those sketches. I mean like there was no
00:25:08
and I wasn't getting my own stuff on and
00:25:11
no one was casting me and Christine had
00:25:14
left. That was the big thing. So we had
00:25:16
written together every week and she'd
00:25:17
gone to work on Third Rock from the Sun
00:25:19
with Bonnie and Terry Christine Xander.
00:25:22
>> Um
00:25:24
I just was lost without her frankly and
00:25:27
>> and I felt like the sketches were more
00:25:30
um I remember something I mean that's my
00:25:33
it was kind of terrible. There was some
00:25:35
sketch where they had to have a
00:25:36
beautiful woman and I was listening to
00:25:38
everyone talk about how none of the
00:25:40
women who were on the show could bring
00:25:42
>> a beautiful woman and they had to bring
00:25:45
in a model
00:25:47
>> because there was literally no one there
00:25:50
that even with makeup and everything who
00:25:52
could pass as
00:25:54
sexual like and so and THEN I WAS LIKE
00:25:57
WOW I'm
00:25:58
>> oh my god
00:25:59
>> really have I mean not that I would have
00:26:02
necessarily been that choice anyway but
00:26:03
it's like that point of view there just
00:26:07
was no room for me. Now looking back I
00:26:09
think I should have pushed harder of my
00:26:11
own comedy and I should have
00:26:14
you know should have would have could
00:26:15
have let everybody does but um
00:26:17
>> well Xander T and the Turners who if
00:26:20
people listening Bonnie and Terry Turner
00:26:21
were great writers together Christine
00:26:23
Xander was wonderful so
00:26:25
>> so having them in your corner or at
00:26:28
least a piece of it or something
00:26:30
>> really takes a chunk away and you need
00:26:32
every piece to keep going and if you
00:26:34
have a little bit
00:26:36
>> slipping and I knew it would be harder
00:26:37
but I didn't know it would be
00:26:39
devastating. You know, I didn't know
00:26:41
that it would be
00:26:43
>> I thought
00:26:43
>> the bottom would drop out.
00:26:44
>> Yeah, the bottom really seemed to drop
00:26:46
out. And so there were for the first
00:26:47
time there were sketches I shows I w
00:26:50
wasn't even in it, you know, like
00:26:52
>> and um
00:26:55
yeah, that was hard. It was really hard.
00:26:57
I could hardly wait to leave at the end
00:26:58
of that year. But up until then though,
00:27:01
it was fantastic. I mean,
00:27:02
>> sure,
00:27:03
>> it really was very exciting. Yeah, it
00:27:05
seemed like you I was there three three
00:27:07
years with you and it just seemed like
00:27:08
you were really really active in the
00:27:10
show.
00:27:10
>> Yeah. Those first three years that was a
00:27:12
big part was my youthful enthusiasm
00:27:15
>> and also Christine
00:27:17
>> and your
00:27:18
>> Yeah. And who wrote the reconciliation
00:27:20
sketch? It was such a
00:27:22
>> me that actually I had written that
00:27:24
sketch. Well, Christine and I wrote it
00:27:26
together. Um but I had had the idea and
00:27:30
done a kind of early form of that
00:27:33
sketch. Do you want to describe what it
00:27:35
what it was? I mean,
00:27:36
>> uh, well, it was Now I'm thinking, is
00:27:39
that really true?
00:27:40
>> Well, it's the one with Alec Baldwin
00:27:42
plays the handsome priest.
00:27:43
>> It was Alec Baldwin came on and he's so
00:27:45
hands and you know, he's just he's like
00:27:47
he's one of those guys who's handsome
00:27:49
and funny as you know, blah blah blah.
00:27:50
>> Yes.
00:27:51
>> And I was telling Christine that in my
00:27:54
Catholic high school, they had changed
00:27:56
confession and they now called it
00:27:57
reconciliation. And you looked at the
00:27:59
priest in a room instead of going to a
00:28:00
confessional. And that at our high
00:28:03
school, I went to an all girls Catholic
00:28:05
high school and the priest was Father
00:28:07
Bolley and he was so handsome that
00:28:09
people would get so distracted telling
00:28:11
them their sins.
00:28:13
>> That's fine.
00:28:13
>> They couldn't like he was so handsome.
00:28:15
Father Baldwin and then I would go in
00:28:17
and start flirting with the priest and
00:28:19
then it was creepy and
00:28:21
>> that I would start making up sins just
00:28:23
to stay in the confessional, you know,
00:28:25
like just so we could keep this
00:28:27
conversation going.
00:28:29
>> Yeah. And so we wrote that with and Alec
00:28:31
came in and wrote it with us. I mean, at
00:28:33
least parts of it with us. And God, that
00:28:36
was really fun. It was so much fun.
00:28:38
>> Very, very funny. He was perfect
00:28:39
casting. And then you were you played it
00:28:42
>> beautifully. I mean, it just
00:28:44
>> And then the best thing about that, we
00:28:45
had written a line at the end where
00:28:46
because I'm like, I I cheated on my
00:28:48
diet. And he's like, well, that's not
00:28:50
really a sin. And I'm like, and then he
00:28:52
goes, um, but I know I know what it's
00:28:55
like to, you know, try to go on a diet.
00:28:58
um what did you cheat with? And I go, I
00:29:00
ate a whole box of Oreos. And he says,
00:29:02
oh, do you like to unscrew it and
00:29:05
>> eat out the creamy center or something
00:29:07
like that? And then the standards and
00:29:09
practice is like, you can't say eat out
00:29:11
the creamy center. We suggest you say
00:29:14
>> lick out the creamy.
00:29:17
>> They always get it more pornographic. So
00:29:19
funny every time.
00:29:21
>> Classic.
00:29:21
>> Okay.
00:29:23
>> Really? Wow. Good.
00:29:25
>> Can you say go down on the Oreo? I think
00:29:27
that would be better.
00:29:28
>> Yeah, exactly.
00:29:29
>> I um this is just a a Catholic uh 202
00:29:33
story. My wife and I were married in a
00:29:35
Catholic church. The priest, we went to
00:29:37
dinner with him, this and that. They
00:29:39
usually have a few pops. You know what I
00:29:40
mean? And uh my wife,
00:29:43
>> very pretty, 23 at the time, gets up,
00:29:45
goes to the bathroom with her tight
00:29:46
jeans. He looks and says, "If you don't
00:29:49
marry her, I will." That was that was
00:29:52
the priest. Good night. That's all I
00:29:54
got. David
00:29:55
>> Julia, were you there when Alec it I'm
00:29:58
just looking at your thing where it says
00:29:59
you're a uh you brought up Alec and then
00:30:02
>> Yeah.
00:30:02
>> Uh it says she demonstrated an early
00:30:05
talent for mimicry.
00:30:08
>> What is that? Is that like on IMDb or
00:30:10
something?
00:30:11
>> Awesome. I love it. because I didn't I I
00:30:14
by THE WAY I WAS NOT GOOD AT mimickry
00:30:17
and people were often have you know
00:30:19
assigning me famous people to play and I
00:30:21
I feel like I really was like C C minus
00:30:24
at that like
00:30:26
>> it feels like more special skills at the
00:30:28
bottom mimicry. I heard you're good at
00:30:30
mimicry and you're like
00:30:31
>> you're a mimic in third grade.
00:30:33
>> Do you remember Dana? I don't think
00:30:34
Julie was there but Alex's first show
00:30:37
was my like third one and he did a
00:30:39
sketch called the mimic unless he did it
00:30:41
later. Oh, I think I think he had done
00:30:43
it when he came. He had already done
00:30:45
that.
00:30:46
>> It's the stupidest sketch. And he was so
00:30:48
funny. He goes the mimic and he pick up
00:30:49
the phone and go, "Hello." He goes, "He
00:30:52
can do anything." And then he was like
00:30:53
kind of bad at all of them. And uh cuz
00:30:56
he actually is good at all these accents
00:30:58
and stuff, but they just and he dressed
00:30:59
all black. The mimic.
00:31:01
>> Well, the classic was Frank Gorwin. He
00:31:03
was a brilliant impressionist on Ed
00:31:05
Sullivan in the 60s. And he would do the
00:31:06
classic turn turn away from the camera
00:31:09
and kind of pluck his hair up and then
00:31:10
come back, which is like, "Look at me
00:31:12
now." You know? Oh,
00:31:14
>> I like that. I like that kind of
00:31:16
impression.
00:31:18
>> Uh, yeah, we can do voices.
00:31:26
>> So, Dana, do you you live in LA now? Not
00:31:28
in Mil Valley anymore.
00:31:29
>> Um, I was just in Mil Valley. Uh, the
00:31:32
actual address is No. Um, yeah, I was
00:31:34
just there. We have the 1912 haunted
00:31:37
house up there and I've experienced I
00:31:41
don't know if I believe it but
00:31:43
poltergeist up there.
00:31:44
>> What?
00:31:45
>> And I told Dan Akroyd about it and he
00:31:47
says I got to get someone in there to
00:31:48
check it out. It's in one particular
00:31:50
bedroom and at night I would hear white
00:31:52
noise cuz my son had moved out of that
00:31:54
bedroom and moved in with his brother
00:31:56
cuz he felt and I would hear white noise
00:31:58
cuz there was a portable radio there. So
00:32:00
I would walk in and then the white noise
00:32:01
would stop all that
00:32:04
was your and it happened um you know a
00:32:06
couple times a year and I saw some
00:32:08
things. Anyway, I'm in LA.
00:32:10
>> I wanted to know the top
00:32:12
>> paranormal debunker in the United States
00:32:17
if you're interested.
00:32:18
>> I don't necessarily believe in it. I've
00:32:20
had the nightmare where you feel a
00:32:22
pressure on your chest even though
00:32:23
you're in a waking dream state.
00:32:25
>> And that made me leave the Sanro Hotel
00:32:28
one night with my wife at 3:00 in the
00:32:30
morning. I woke her up and said, "We
00:32:31
have to go now." Because I felt the
00:32:33
pressure on my chest
00:32:35
>> when I'm sleeping and bouncing up and
00:32:37
down on me. And then I went and used the
00:32:38
bathroom. Thought, okay, that's a I was
00:32:40
dreaming. Then I laid back down and I
00:32:43
felt like I was awake as I am right now.
00:32:46
And then massive pressure that felt
00:32:48
angry pushing down on me and I was just
00:32:50
couldn't move and then it released me.
00:32:52
>> Didn't you have heart issues? Like isn't
00:32:54
that my physical explanation for that?
00:32:57
>> Yes, I had seven stances and a botch
00:33:00
bypass 25 years ago. Look at me now.
00:33:03
>> Those are my issues.
00:33:05
>> Let me charge.
00:33:05
>> No, BUT I MEAN THERE'S I mean
00:33:08
>> there's always natural explanation. I
00:33:11
mean always. By the way, Julia, I know a
00:33:14
paranormal bunker. They should meet your
00:33:16
debunker.
00:33:18
>> Um, Dana, I get scared at my house cuz I
00:33:21
just moved and I don't want to hear that
00:33:22
story because I hear like clicking and
00:33:24
the house settling in quotes. It's like
00:33:27
and Julia will say it's a house
00:33:29
settling, which I say because I can't in
00:33:31
the middle of the night when it's dead
00:33:33
silent, you're so scared. You're like, I
00:33:35
have to think of a reason. What's going
00:33:36
on? Because it's always scary. But I
00:33:38
haven't felt pressure or anything like
00:33:39
that. I would [ __ ] freak out. Oh, I
00:33:42
read
00:33:42
>> You know what? Since I became a person
00:33:45
who doesn't believe in supernatural
00:33:47
things like that,
00:33:48
>> except us. Yeah.
00:33:50
>> Um
00:33:52
I never get scared. I mean, I get scared
00:33:54
when I think there's a reasonable chance
00:33:55
that something's truly wrong. But that
00:33:57
kind of stuff, I doesn't even I just
00:33:59
think there's something's making the
00:34:01
sound.
00:34:02
>> Yeah.
00:34:02
>> I'm not I'm not frightened of it at all.
00:34:05
I Because I never got hurt. It just
00:34:07
flipped me out the first time, but I I
00:34:08
don't know if I said this, but I Mike
00:34:10
Myers, who kind of read the encyclopedia
00:34:12
as a 5-year-old, you know, nightmare is
00:34:14
is a from the word, you know, it's some
00:34:17
medieval Latin prefix or for a mayor and
00:34:19
i.e. a horse feels like it's laying on
00:34:21
top you and it's just a waking dream
00:34:23
state. I read about it in the New York
00:34:25
Times. The brain disconnects. David,
00:34:27
you're fine.
00:34:28
>> I mean, you that scared me and I've
00:34:30
never heard about the horse part, but I
00:34:32
like it. Um,
00:34:34
Julia, you were in Cone Heads. No, we we
00:34:39
should You were in Cone Heads, weren't
00:34:40
you? That was sort of a sign, wasn't it?
00:34:42
Or No,
00:34:44
>> you weren't.
00:34:45
>> I remember thinking I'm playing the
00:34:46
principal and Chris Farley's playing a
00:34:48
high school student and we're only like
00:34:50
four years apart in it. That tells you a
00:34:52
lot about
00:34:55
um
00:34:56
>> Yeah, that was fun. I don't remember
00:34:58
that much about it.
00:34:59
>> Yeah, I mean, I was in it, too. Believe
00:35:01
me, we were all in it. I think as I
00:35:03
think Lauren, you said, "David, you'll
00:35:05
be reporting to Conheads." And I was
00:35:06
like, "Oh, yes, sir."
00:35:07
>> Yeah. I think it was something like it
00:35:08
was like you just were told that you
00:35:09
were going. But David, you know what I
00:35:11
remember is that sketch you wrote, not
00:35:13
necessarily for me, but I got to be the
00:35:15
main comedy driver of it. I always bring
00:35:17
that up in the sketch. Remember the
00:35:19
sketch where I go on the date and I just
00:35:20
keep ordering expensive food and then I
00:35:22
start talking about how I'm not going to
00:35:23
put out and he's trying to push me
00:35:26
towards the more cheap the cheaper food.
00:35:28
Do you remember that?
00:35:29
>> I don't. That's hilarious.
00:35:31
>> And you came to me and said, "I have
00:35:32
this idea for you. I'm going to write
00:35:33
the sketch." And it was,
00:35:35
>> "Wow,
00:35:36
>> I'm forgetting who the guy was." Um, but
00:35:38
it was some handsome guy and I'm just
00:35:40
And the whole thing was like me like,
00:35:41
"Oh, I'm so happy to be on the stage."
00:35:42
Oh, lobster and steak. That's what I'm
00:35:45
going to get. And then it's like, I just
00:35:46
want to tell you that I don't ever have
00:35:49
sex with anyone
00:35:51
here. And then it kind of goes, I mean,
00:35:53
it wasn't that obvious, but it was
00:35:55
really well written. And when people
00:35:57
say, um, those guys at SNL, they were
00:36:00
so, you know, together and not, you
00:36:02
know, really into the women that much. I
00:36:04
say, David Spade wrote a sketch for me.
00:36:06
That was one of the best things I ever
00:36:07
did.
00:36:07
>> That's so great. I love that. And you
00:36:09
don't He wasn't even in it. He just
00:36:11
wrote it. You know, like it was a very
00:36:14
loving thing to do. I don't know how
00:36:16
much it meant about me, but I took it as
00:36:19
a very wonderful.
00:36:20
>> You probably performed it great because
00:36:22
you know good
00:36:26
and uh it's fun to have a a sketch and
00:36:29
you got probably had the host in there,
00:36:31
but when you get the funny parts cuz
00:36:33
it's really hard to
00:36:34
>> Yeah. I mean cuz usually you're not
00:36:35
getting to be the driver of the comedy
00:36:37
and you really and that this character
00:36:39
was I mean it was really the host was
00:36:40
kind of just reacting to me and you had
00:36:43
just written it and it was just the most
00:36:44
wonderful gift. I mean it was just an
00:36:47
incredible thing. I and I BRING THAT UP
00:36:49
AT LEAST ONCE a month. I'm telling
00:36:50
people that and David and David doesn't
00:36:53
remember.
00:36:54
>> I said that's the most baffling part of
00:36:56
the sketches I wrote. I didn't write
00:36:58
that many. That's crazy. Well, thank you
00:37:00
and I'm glad you did it and I'm glad you
00:37:02
remember it and say it. That's great.
00:37:05
Um, I don't want to talk about me
00:37:06
forever, which I but I like that.
00:37:08
>> Do you want to talk about the Not many
00:37:10
people, this will go full circle, got a
00:37:12
movie out of a character like and you
00:37:16
did. There was no Church Lady movie.
00:37:18
There was a Steuart Smallley movie.
00:37:20
There was a Pat movie in the 90s.
00:37:22
Anybody else of a character? I think
00:37:25
those were the two. Those two should
00:37:27
have been in the movie together. They
00:37:28
would have been great.
00:37:29
>> I KNOW IT. THAT was
00:37:31
>> Is that a bittersweet memory or is it a
00:37:33
good
00:37:34
>> Definitely bittersweet. I had such a
00:37:35
good time making it. We didn't know what
00:37:37
we were doing. I didn't do it with
00:37:39
Lauren. I didn't understand the
00:37:40
politics. He wanted to do it. But then
00:37:43
>> Oh, didn't he own it? Didn't he own the
00:37:45
character because you
00:37:46
>> Oh, I was one of the people when I came
00:37:48
in, my lawyer got me to own Pat. I don't
00:37:50
know how it doesn't even matter. I mean,
00:37:52
>> Got it. So, you owned it and did it
00:37:54
outside the system. So I could have
00:37:56
because I had done that character at the
00:37:59
Groundlings. I I don't know why. Anyway,
00:38:03
so he did. So it was my choice and I
00:38:06
think I made a dumb choice not to have
00:38:08
Lauren be the producer of it because all
00:38:12
all kinds of awful things happened aside
00:38:14
from the fact that we didn't write a
00:38:15
good script. I mean like you know so I
00:38:18
don't know. It was it was really fun to
00:38:20
to um do it and it was really fun to
00:38:24
make it. Oh my god, it was so much fun
00:38:27
and um I learned so much and then it was
00:38:30
really a big bomb and but I always felt
00:38:34
grateful for it and um I wrote to Eisner
00:38:38
afterwards and said how I know I made
00:38:40
it. I know I just wasted $8 million of
00:38:42
your money
00:38:43
>> really.
00:38:44
>> But I learned so much and had a great
00:38:46
time and I know that shouldn't
00:38:47
compensate for it because that's a lot
00:38:49
of money, but I just want to say
00:38:51
everything about it was really great and
00:38:53
thank you. I'll never forget that
00:38:55
obviously. And then he sent that letter
00:38:57
around Disney. I was like, "Here's
00:38:59
somebody who's grateful for failing."
00:39:01
>> Yeah.
00:39:02
>> Wow.
00:39:03
>> You know, Julia, I did that with a movie
00:39:05
once and I and I I think that's so cool
00:39:06
you did that. I I felt so bad after a
00:39:09
movie. I called the guy and said, "Uh, I
00:39:12
appreciate you doing it. I'm just so
00:39:13
sorry I didn't do what you wanted." kind
00:39:15
of thing. And I don't think he wrote me
00:39:17
back. But, uh, I do think for myself, I
00:39:21
felt like
00:39:22
>> Yeah. I mean, you realize like now, of
00:39:24
course, everything's so different now,
00:39:25
but I
00:39:27
I
00:39:29
don't know how I would have done it
00:39:31
differently. And maybe I wasn't really
00:39:32
up to the task of turning that into
00:39:34
something successful, but
00:39:37
it wasn't. And um and you know, yeah,
00:39:42
but I got the chance. I mean, I I got
00:39:44
the chance.
00:39:45
>> But Julie, is it hard to take a sketch?
00:39:47
I'm sorry,
00:39:47
>> D.
00:39:49
Take a sketch difficult
00:39:50
>> and
00:39:51
>> and and you've done a sketch and you
00:39:53
feel like a lot of the good jokes is the
00:39:55
reason the sketch is doing well. And
00:39:56
then you you're not really starting from
00:39:58
scratch, but to fill the whole movie.
00:40:01
>> No, I think it is. I mean actually it
00:40:03
wasn't until late I didn't watch all the
00:40:04
Charlie Chaplan movies till um much
00:40:07
later in my life and when I watched them
00:40:10
I realized not that Pat is any the
00:40:13
character of Pat is anything like the
00:40:15
Charlie Chaplain character but that the
00:40:18
way he was en enigmatic and let everyone
00:40:22
else be reacting to him while he was
00:40:23
doing physical things would have been
00:40:25
the way to I think it could have
00:40:27
succeeded but I didn't know enough to
00:40:29
know that
00:40:30
>> I was in some very shitty movies, but I
00:40:33
never felt like I was driving the boat.
00:40:34
But I do think that funny with the sound
00:40:37
off, like if the sound broke on a Pat
00:40:39
movie, it would be nice to think it
00:40:42
could still work. But that to solve that
00:40:44
dilemma, especially, you know, Steuart
00:40:46
Smaller, these are quirky characters.
00:40:47
They're not I think Wayne and Gar just
00:40:49
follow Bill and Ted and they're like
00:40:51
dudes, you know, party on. They're very
00:40:53
accessible and to make Pat Yeah, it
00:40:57
could be a challenge because such an
00:40:58
eccentric character, but usually it's
00:41:01
audio. It's sort of like a more for
00:41:03
adults and Wayne and Gar could be for
00:41:06
adults or kids, you know,
00:41:08
>> they can get into it too
00:41:10
>> mostly because it's like very
00:41:11
>> but you know Steuart Smallley I watched
00:41:13
I did I when I lived in Chicago for 10
00:41:16
years and I was helping to teach at the
00:41:18
Herald Ramos film school they have this
00:41:21
film program that I was teaching a I was
00:41:23
really not teaching it was a friend of
00:41:25
mine teaching it but I kind of helped
00:41:27
for one semester and we were watching
00:41:30
some Harold Ramos movies and he directed
00:41:32
Stuart Smallley and so we watched it and
00:41:35
you know what it w I liked it. I thought
00:41:37
it was a successful film. I you know I
00:41:39
mean it it was it's it's a really quirky
00:41:44
movie but I was really unlike Pat when I
00:41:47
watched the Pat movie I was like yeah
00:41:48
this doesn't work. I mean this really
00:41:50
didn't work. But Stuart Smallley I
00:41:51
thought worked.
00:41:52
>> Yeah. I mean Harold Ramis is so
00:41:54
talented. I think uh I was talking to Al
00:41:56
Franken I think he's going on Fallon
00:41:58
soon and I told him he should he should
00:42:00
do Steuart Smallley even for the young
00:42:03
audience and and hold Jimmy's hand make
00:42:05
it all about Jimmy um you know good
00:42:08
enough strong enough you know that kind
00:42:10
of thing. So,
00:42:10
>> oh my god, you know, I almost canceled
00:42:13
myself except that no one cares if I'm
00:42:15
canceled. Um,
00:42:16
>> uh, because after Al Franken's debacle
00:42:20
and demise from the Senate, I was so
00:42:23
angry and upset. I was so angry I
00:42:26
couldn't sleep for a month. I was so
00:42:28
angry. And then I wrote a oneperson show
00:42:31
about it and did it for like five
00:42:33
Saturdays at the Groundling Small
00:42:35
Theater until people came up and said,
00:42:36
"Julia,
00:42:38
first of all, this isn't even funny in
00:42:40
any way. It was just me. I WAS ALL I DID
00:42:43
I WENT THROUGH ALL THE ALLEGATIONS.
00:42:44
ALLEGATION NUMBER FOUR, you know, like I
00:42:47
was I was crazed with anger at how the
00:42:53
Me Too movement had been twisted up in
00:42:55
the worst possible way to go after this
00:42:58
great guy in my opinion and complete. I
00:43:01
was so angry, you guys. And then I had
00:43:03
somebody come and say, you know, you'll
00:43:05
never work again if you open this show
00:43:06
cuz it's really just
00:43:09
even though I'm a meto supporter, but in
00:43:11
when it came to Al Franken, I just could
00:43:13
see how that all that [ __ ] went down and
00:43:15
it was [ __ ] And it was and then
00:43:19
people weren't talking to me. And then I
00:43:21
finally just dropped it because I
00:43:22
couldn't make it entertaining enough.
00:43:24
really was a show of me for 90 minutes
00:43:26
talking about each allegation against Al
00:43:28
Franken and why and my bulletin board
00:43:30
and this and why and why and why and um
00:43:33
and I had to stop it. But I think that's
00:43:35
when I really had got went over on the
00:43:37
other side of the culture because I felt
00:43:40
like okay
00:43:42
>> this I'm so angry about this. It's so
00:43:45
unfair and and yet the culture is, you
00:43:50
know, I'm not I can't influence the
00:43:52
culture and I'm just going to wreck my
00:43:54
own career and health over it. So, I
00:43:57
kind of just dropped it. And then I also
00:43:59
realized I didn't really have the
00:44:00
standing for anyone to care
00:44:04
um about it, you know, what I thought
00:44:06
about it. So, I couldn't really even
00:44:08
help him. And then later I finally saw
00:44:11
El Franken. And then I realized he
00:44:12
didn't really care if I was doing that
00:44:13
either.
00:44:15
Like
00:44:16
>> I was like, "Oh, I've just been doing a
00:44:18
oneperson show about you." And he's
00:44:20
like, "Oh, oh, thanks."
00:44:22
>> You don't have to. It's kind of scary
00:44:24
cuz anybody if someone from high school
00:44:26
said I looked at him wrong in 1973 or
00:44:29
something.
00:44:30
>> Exactly.
00:44:30
>> And so it's like, whoa. I mean, you
00:44:32
know, there's there's the other the the
00:44:33
big players, we don't have to name them
00:44:35
where it's pretty obvious.
00:44:36
>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. There was a lot
00:44:38
of people that maybe behaved a little
00:44:40
borishly or something, but to be
00:44:42
cancelled for life is just a bit much
00:44:44
for
00:44:44
>> No, it was really that was really
00:44:46
Anyway, I didn't mean to take us into
00:44:47
sad territory, but that was really
00:44:50
really really
00:44:52
just [ __ ] got my goat. I just
00:44:54
couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe
00:44:56
it. And I wanted I just couldn't I
00:44:59
couldn't think of anything else. And it
00:45:01
took a long time to just accept that's
00:45:04
how life goes in an unfair way sometimes
00:45:06
for the some people and that's how it's
00:45:08
always been. I mean like not for
00:45:10
everyone obviously not for everyone but
00:45:13
sometimes you're at the wrong place at
00:45:15
the wrong time. It's I kept thinking
00:45:17
it's almost like there was a huge pile
00:45:19
up on the road and Al Franken was
00:45:21
driving on the outside of the road and
00:45:22
his fender caught it and he just caught
00:45:24
up in it. You know, like
00:45:26
>> one one thing about Al, you can rest
00:45:27
assured he's he's uh very resilient,
00:45:30
obviously, and a tough character.
00:45:32
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no. When I saw him, he's
00:45:34
already had a million ideas.
00:45:36
>> Yeah.
00:45:36
>> Yeah.
00:45:41
>> All right. I have a I have a gear change
00:45:43
question for Julia.
00:45:44
>> You have a what?
00:45:45
>> A gonna shift gears.
00:45:47
>> Okay. Yes. I'm sorry.
00:45:48
>> No, I don't care.
00:45:49
>> We love all We love all of it, our
00:45:51
listeners. I just before I got off I
00:45:53
wanted to ask you if you it I read that
00:45:56
you felt badly that you might have
00:45:59
cracked up during motivational speaker
00:46:00
and I never thought of that of you. I
00:46:03
never thought anything negative about
00:46:04
that. I thought
00:46:05
>> I did I did I do have a problem
00:46:06
controlling laughing during SketchUp.
00:46:09
>> I didn't never think that of you. I
00:46:10
thought I I [ __ ] that sketch up. Me
00:46:13
and Christina ruined it. But we were
00:46:15
just laughing which didn't really ruin
00:46:16
it. It was just it just it was so rare
00:46:18
to happen. Yeah. that
00:46:20
>> it was really just seeing the funniest
00:46:21
thing and you knew that it was going to
00:46:24
live forever and you're in the middle of
00:46:25
it and you have the best seat in the
00:46:26
house and I can't stop laughing like I
00:46:30
God that was good
00:46:30
>> Farley in that character I said it on
00:46:33
another podcast I think that's the most
00:46:35
>> I don't know most potent thing someone's
00:46:38
ever done maybe it just the way he
00:46:40
squatted
00:46:41
>> and got ready for his next line it's
00:46:43
very crisp moves they were just it was
00:46:45
like it was like chaplain s he's just
00:46:47
going to get squatted get set with his
00:46:49
body before he Yeah, I I that might have
00:46:51
broke me if I was in it. I think
00:46:53
>> I also Yeah,
00:46:54
>> Phil might be the only one that didn't
00:46:56
laugh.
00:46:56
>> I know. Phil was so good. He could
00:46:58
really I couldn't control it. I couldn't
00:47:00
control myself. I
00:47:01
>> We all started to break. And that's the
00:47:03
problem is that we and back then I think
00:47:05
they do it more now. They crack up a
00:47:06
lot, but
00:47:07
>> we It was definitely a no no. And
00:47:10
>> no, it was terrible to do that. You were
00:47:12
being like, "Yeah, Carol Bernett show
00:47:14
now."
00:47:16
>> Yeah. We didn't have as much fun as we
00:47:18
could have had, you know, cuz I was just
00:47:20
thought you get fired. I mean, when Phil
00:47:22
finally broke,
00:47:23
>> Phil finally broke doing Tonto, Tarzan,
00:47:26
and Frankenstein. And he's Frankenstein.
00:47:29
He crashes through the thing or
00:47:30
whatever. And then that first time, Phil
00:47:32
broke. Phil was done fire bad.
00:47:38
And then he was I was toast. And I
00:47:40
thought, "Wow, this is amazing. Is he
00:47:42
going to be in trouble?" There's always
00:47:44
fear on that show.
00:47:45
>> Yeah, there was. I wonder what it's like
00:47:46
now cuz I was thinking, you know, Lauren
00:47:48
is so much older now than the people who
00:47:50
are performing than he was from our age.
00:47:52
You know, like for us, he was kind of an
00:47:53
older guy, but now he's a
00:47:56
>> much much older guy.
00:47:58
>> Yeah. 76 and then a new cast member is
00:48:00
like 22 and they're chatting about
00:48:02
comedy.
00:48:03
>> That's a whole different feeling. I
00:48:05
mean,
00:48:06
>> I wonder what it's like. I don't know.
00:48:08
>> The the meetings are like, who's your
00:48:10
favorite rappers,
00:48:13
rap singers,
00:48:14
>> right? Is Dr. Dre really a doctor?
00:48:18
>> Does anyone know?
00:48:20
>> Please.
00:48:22
>> I think um they always seem to find a
00:48:24
way that show to find great people. You
00:48:27
know, Chris,
00:48:27
>> you know what? You know, it's an
00:48:29
incredible success that I didn't it's I
00:48:31
didn't think I thought, oh, it'll go for
00:48:32
a few more years, but you really have to
00:48:35
hand it to him. I mean, like,
00:48:37
>> it's really incredible. He is the show
00:48:39
and he never panicked because there were
00:48:41
so many years of like we got to do it
00:48:42
taped or we got to change the name and
00:48:44
change the band and he knew he had an
00:48:46
incredible brand
00:48:48
>> and he just stuck to it and like I Steve
00:48:50
Higgins said Lauren wrote the
00:48:52
constitution
00:48:53
>> of the house and then he let it's a it's
00:48:56
liquid form it can be whatever it
00:48:58
becomes because now going full circle
00:49:01
with women they play a lot of men on the
00:49:03
show
00:49:04
>> you probably would have done George Bush
00:49:06
or Ross Perau
00:49:07
>> yes well the The reason I played Pat at
00:49:09
first is I was trying to play a man, but
00:49:10
I didn't feel like it was very um
00:49:13
convincing. And so I thought, oh, I'll
00:49:16
just make a joke that you don't know if
00:49:17
it's a man or a woman to kind of cover
00:49:18
for my lack of acting ability. But now I
00:49:22
probably wouldn't think that. I'd think
00:49:24
I could just play a man if I wanted.
00:49:25
Julia, can we just get a because we need
00:49:27
something to trend, you know, we're
00:49:29
we're behind smart list. Uh but we're
00:49:31
getting close. Um, do you in inside your
00:49:35
mind, have you ever thought to yourself,
00:49:38
was Pat a man or a woman? Just
00:49:41
internally to yourself, do you know the
00:49:43
secret?
00:49:43
>> I'm sorry.
00:49:45
>> There is no secret.
00:49:46
>> There is no secret. You You
00:49:48
>> I wish I could. So, you had a little
00:49:50
sound bite you could use out there, but
00:49:52
I was lying.
00:49:53
>> Making fun of sound bites. Here's a
00:49:55
sound bite. Church lady wasn't
00:49:57
religious. No, I don't.
00:50:00
We could have done a church lady becomes
00:50:01
an atheist. That would have been funny.
00:50:03
>> Oh,
00:50:04
>> I do think church lady with Pat would
00:50:06
have been perfect. You know,
00:50:08
>> you know what I think is that they just
00:50:10
live together and you just don't ask
00:50:12
questions about that relationship.
00:50:14
>> They moved in together. You think
00:50:16
>> I just think it'd be funny IF THEY JUST
00:50:18
LIKE YOU FIND OUT THAT THEY lived
00:50:19
together for 35 years in separate rooms,
00:50:22
you know? But
00:50:23
>> it's just curious
00:50:25
just says we anyway. That would be a
00:50:27
thing. We like to get dressed, don't we?
00:50:29
In our clothes.
00:50:31
>> Well, we have our special clothes on
00:50:34
that fit us in a certain way, so we
00:50:36
can't tell quite what we are under that.
00:50:38
Anything
00:50:40
else for the lovely Julia Sweeney to ask
00:50:43
her.
00:50:44
>> Um, so you guys are both mainly living
00:50:46
in LA now.
00:50:47
>> I'm living in LA. Are you
00:50:50
>> Yes, I moved back from Chicago. And
00:50:52
okay, because I bought a house in 1992
00:50:54
that I thought was going to be a starter
00:50:55
house, but it's an ender house
00:50:59
>> and um
00:51:00
>> prices have gotten pricey.
00:51:02
>> No, cuz I couldn't afford to live in
00:51:04
this neighborhood. There's no way.
00:51:05
>> No chance.
00:51:06
>> Um so now we're my husband I I just
00:51:08
married about 15 years ago and my
00:51:10
husband and I
00:51:11
>> 15 years. Yeah.
00:51:13
>> Yeah.
00:51:13
>> Yeah. He's a good guy. Go ahead.
00:51:16
>> And he we're remodeling that house. It's
00:51:18
a small house, but it's perfect for two
00:51:20
retired people.
00:51:22
>> And um so we're remodeling it and we're
00:51:25
living next door while it's being
00:51:26
remodeled,
00:51:28
>> but it's supposed to be done in about a
00:51:29
year.
00:51:30
>> It's supposed to be done in 10 and a
00:51:32
half years. So are you
00:51:34
>> Yeah, it takes a while.
00:51:35
>> So when it's done, I WANT TO HAVE YOU
00:51:36
GUYS OVER.
00:51:37
>> That's more like it.
00:51:38
>> It'll be really pretty and we can sit in
00:51:40
the backyard and um I'm a good
00:51:43
>> I would love it.
00:51:45
Will you invite us? I'll go.
00:51:47
>> Do you have my email or Greg will give
00:51:49
it to you?
00:51:50
>> No. Greg, you'll give me both their
00:51:52
emails.
00:51:53
>> Yeah.
00:51:53
>> I think I saw you David at um somebody's
00:51:58
who was it some a party. Anyway,
00:52:01
>> David at a party.
00:52:02
>> Yeah, that's crazy.
00:52:03
>> Oh, Dana.
00:52:06
>> Those are the good old days. But I still
00:52:08
go out if it's someone's dinner or some
00:52:09
small thing like that. Yeah.
00:52:11
>> Yeah. That's what I used to have big
00:52:12
parties all the time. I used to have a
00:52:13
Sunday night party that was huge every
00:52:15
Sunday
00:52:16
>> when I was young.
00:52:17
>> Yeah.
00:52:17
>> But now I like
00:52:20
>> 4 to 8. Small, the right people, nice
00:52:23
food early.
00:52:25
>> Early early is the key. I like to eat.
00:52:28
>> I eat I like to eat at 4 or 5.
00:52:30
>> I eat at 5. And so I would have an
00:52:34
adult.
00:52:34
>> We're on the same page.
00:52:36
>> Yes.
00:52:36
>> Yes. Early fun. Maybe Sunday 4 to 8.
00:52:39
Boom. Get in, get out.
00:52:41
>> Yeah. Maybe four to seven.
00:52:42
>> And you're an atheist, so you won't
00:52:44
care. It's a holy day.
00:52:46
Sorry.
00:52:48
>> I am too. No, I'm an agnostic. I'm
00:52:50
pretty sure I'm not an atheist. I don't
00:52:52
know. Whatever. Joke to come.
00:52:55
>> Julia, send us a mass uh email and uh
00:52:58
yeah, get Dane and I on.
00:53:00
>> Julia Sweeney, one of the alltime great
00:53:03
cast members of Saturday Night Live.
00:53:04
>> Thanks for having me. It's really nice
00:53:06
to see you guys.
00:53:06
>> And when your house is done, we will we
00:53:08
will see you. And if we don't see you
00:53:09
then, we'll see you at the 50th. And my
00:53:11
hair is going to even be more weird.
00:53:13
>> You think they I guess it's pretty close
00:53:15
to that now, right?
00:53:16
>> Oh yeah.
00:53:17
>> 2025.
00:53:20
>> I'm going to get a few little things
00:53:22
done right as I right before I go.
00:53:24
>> You know, the last one I really cared
00:53:25
about being there and it was really
00:53:27
important for me, my identity that I was
00:53:29
on SNL.
00:53:30
>> I'm in such a different place now. I
00:53:32
don't even know if I'd go cuz I just
00:53:33
feel like gh Yeah. Okay.
00:53:35
>> I know. I want to fly. You just Yeah, I
00:53:38
know. You kind It's It's a It's really
00:53:40
It's really about Lauren, you know, kind
00:53:42
of.
00:53:42
>> Well, no. I mean, it is fun, but you
00:53:44
don't It's not like you can really talk
00:53:45
to people. I mean, like, you just kind
00:53:48
of be in the Okay. Anyway,
00:53:49
>> you're going, "Hey, hey, there's there's
00:53:51
there's Bill Hater or there's there's
00:53:53
Melanie Hutzel." Yeah, I know. It's
00:53:54
everywhere, but nowhere. I like a small
00:53:56
party, six to eight people.
00:53:58
>> I think instead I'll just I'll have it
00:54:00
after you guys go. I'll have my dinner
00:54:02
party and you'll
00:54:03
>> tell you all the juice. Yes.
00:54:04
>> Yes.
00:54:05
>> Juice it up.
00:54:06
>> All right, Juicy Sweenie. Okay, honey.
00:54:08
I'll get your emails.
00:54:10
>> Yes, get our emails. We love to keep in
00:54:11
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00:54:13
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