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David. Uh, what were you just saying?
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>> I was talking about, do you know William
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Simmons?
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>> Oh, yeah. Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy
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Simmons. Yeah, he's the best. That guy's
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[ __ ] great. Whoops.
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>> Bill Simmons has his tentacles in a lot
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of things.
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>> He's all over this space. You know, when
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I when I say this space, you know what
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I'm talking about.
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>> Yeah. Podcasting. He was uh
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>> king of the airwaves of sports uh
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regular airwaves. Now he's podcasting.
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Now he's all over. He's
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>> part of that Amy Polar show. Uh
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>> he has a lot of things going. He's got a
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whole atmosphere over there if that's
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what they call it.
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>> And what is that what they call
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>> atmosphere? I don't know that.
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>> Like a whole world over there.
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>> It's shaky. We'll get back to that. The
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thing you're going to enjoy about this
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podcast if you're a Saturday Night Live
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fan is this guy Bill Simmons. He knows
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more about every single sketch.
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>> Yeah.
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>> That I've ever done and every episode.
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So that we do deep dive on that. He is
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>> maybe the biggest fan of the show ever,
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one of them, you know. So that's very
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interesting to get into all. I saw him
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at that Netflix brunch the other day. Uh
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>> oh, okay.
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>> the other week, the other month. And
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>> uh super cool guy to just BS and
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[ __ ] with. Um and he also knows a
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ton about SNL. But when he was on,
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>> I think maybe we've had him on twice,
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but he basically interviews us. He he he
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wants to know so much about the ins and
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outs and the
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>> behind the scenes that it's pretty fun
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to just lean back and kind of go back
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and forth with him.
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>> Yeah. And he does really understand
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podcasting.
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>> And he can tell that I'm an athlete, so
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he kind of likes that
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>> because he's a sports guy.
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>> Yeah. He just tagged you tagged you
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right away. Yeah. Right away.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Because that don't come that's not
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natural.
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>> I used to tell him how when I used to
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lead off a lot,
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>> you know, when I was in baseball.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And then I run back to first. I look at
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the pitcher, I go, "What? What's
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>> Well, did it ever throw? Did it ever
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throw in little league baseball? The
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batter's up and then the whole the whole
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team starts going, "Hey, bada batter.
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Hey, bada batter." You think they could
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heckle something better than Yes, I'm a
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batter and I'm going to batter. Hey,
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bada bada bada. Hey, bada bada.
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>> Yeah, I have to say that. Do they still
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say that in the pros?
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I should have asked some [ __ ]
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>> Um, no. I think sometimes they go beat
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them, bust them. That's our custom.
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Yeah, that's our custom.
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>> New York. That was a real one from my
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high school.
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>> You know what I they I saw A-Rod do? He
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goes, California oranges, Texas cactus.
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We play your team just for practice.
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And everyone's like,
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>> uh, I know I am, but what are you? I'm
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rubber. You're glue. Whatever you say
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sticks to you.
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>> I would be on second base going.
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>> Should we save this for our regular
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podcast?
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>> I know. Let's bring on Bill Simmons.
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>> We're wasting gold on an intro. Please
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enjoy Bill Simmons and cut that part
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out. Yeah.
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This is my setup. This is where I do my
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pod. So, I got all my all my stuff
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behind me. So, it looks like I'm in this
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big and then if you zoom out, it's just
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like this little weird corner of stuff
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and then nothing else looks like that in
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the room.
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>> Fake busy corner.
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>> Yeah, fake busy corner.
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>> I'm in an abandoned motel
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>> uh near near Bakersfield. And uh
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>> Dana was taken.
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>> I put Larson in room. God.
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>> I'm a I'm a minist.
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>> Good one.
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>> Everybody knock and give me food.
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>> I'm a minimalist. What? What can I say?
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>> God, no [ __ ]
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>> So, should we
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>> So, wait, I have to ask Bill first.
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There's no way. What did you have to do
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with 30 for 30? I just saw this.
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>> I created it. I came up with the idea. I
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sent the memo, dude.
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>> And then uh for like a year and a half,
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me and my friend Connor show like
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basically came up with every angle of it
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and got it sold. That's in my notes.
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I don't want to talk about me
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though. I want to talk SNL. Let's Let's
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see. We don't need to talk about
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>> I know. No, you're boring. I understand.
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I understand.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows you. Okay.
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Top best athlete. I'm trying to do a
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mashup of Bill Simmons. Best athlete
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host on SNL.
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>> Oh, wow.
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>> That's a tough one.
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>> Does The Rock count?
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>> What's The Rock on?
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>> Um, he's an athlete. Well, he's a movie
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star, but
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>> yeah. No, he's an athlete.
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>> The Rock was really good. I mean, he did
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the the Barack Obama on it, which I
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thought was one of the better
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presidential sketches they did in the
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last 20 years.
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>> Yes, that was funny. The Rock is good.
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Yeah, there's Payton Manning back in my
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day. Joe Montana with Walter Payton.
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>> Yeah, but I mean Montana was in one of
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the iconic sketches of the late 80s that
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the I'm going to go upstairs and
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masturbate, which was like out of nobody
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could believe he did that back in the
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day. I was like, "Oh my god, Joe Montana
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said masturbate."
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>> And you know what? Fun fact, talk about
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how fun fact, talk about how competitive
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Joe Montana is. He finishes the show and
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he landed that sketch, which killed
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>> and then he he he can't come out of his
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dressing room almost like a boxer. He
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feels
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>> he feels he didn't do very well. And
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Joe, can can you go talk to him? He just
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he just can't come out, you know. Funny.
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>> Jesus. John Madden was good, too. was
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before your time, but he uh he came in
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right as he was taking off from CBS and
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they built it was during the Eddie era.
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>> Yeah.
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>> They built the whole show around him and
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he was pretty he was pretty good with
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that. I I want to say OJ hosted in the
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first five years and thank god he didn't
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kill anybody.
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>> Oh, he killed so I had to say it. I know
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it's not funny but I had to say it.
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Charles Barkley during David's era just
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missed him.
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>> Oh yeah.
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>> Um
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>> yeah it's tough. Hey did Joe Montana
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have any problem with that joke Dana?
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No, I don't think so. I'll be up. His
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inner monologue was, "Yeah, I'll be
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upstairs masturbating." Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> There was a charm when athletes come on
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or non-professional actors. There's a
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sort of kind of stilted charm to them.
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You know,
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>> I find that that's a big big part of the
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show is having movie stars, non-
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comedians try to do an hour and a half
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of a live sketch. It's a ridiculous
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task. So, it's it's a great reality
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show. I think when MJ came on that was
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about as in the running for about as
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famous as he ever was. That was really
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when he had ascended to the A++ list and
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>> um everybody was so interested to see
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how he would do and he did really well
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you but it it just felt like a moment
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when he was on
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>> that ch changed 8H everybody was flipped
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out so he was Michael Jordan at that
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time
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>> and uh he was um it's a real interesting
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part of being a cast remember being
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behind the slats with Michael Jordan and
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we're about to go and do the sketch and
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it's live and he's not in his element
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he's kind of looking in script and I
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said, you know, just look at the card.
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Don't worry about it. Christopher Walkin
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does it. Just look at the card if you
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have to.
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>> Well, and they're so used to coming
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through in pressure
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>> that eventually you come out and the
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adrenaline is running and it's basically
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no different than if they have a big
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game or something like that. I was when
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I, you know, when I got to know Seth
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Myers and Hater and those guys in the
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late 2000s, they popped on my pod. I was
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always so interested in the mechanics of
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the person coming on who hosted who fit
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in right away. What actor, actress,
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comedian, who just kind of got the show
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and could have been like a surrogate
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cast member versus somebody who came in
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and was just kind of their head spinning
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the whole week. And then certain people
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would come in and you guys that were on
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the show would be like, "Oh,
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>> this isn't easy. This person gets it.
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This guy, this guy or this girl could
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actually be on the show full-time."
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>> Well, well, I don't I'd be curious what
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those guys said. off the top of my head
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like John Goodman was like a c he was
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just good at everything. Tom Hanks, of
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course.
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>> Tom Hanks was a great one. Yeah,
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>> completely committed. By the way, I want
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to just for a second check your memory.
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What was the hit sketch
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kind of objectively for Michael Jordan's
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episode?
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>> Wasn't it the Steuart Smallley?
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah. And then there was uh there was a
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negative thing. I mean, I'm I'm top top
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top percentile SNL fan that has ever
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been on this show, including all the
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people who have been on it. You're just
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not going to. I grew up at the show. I
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was an only child. I remember every
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single season, everything that happened.
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I'm just I'm going to have an answer for
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every question you have.
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>> I now I now put you I knew you were a
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fan and a sports fan, but now I put you
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in context. So, now you're one of those
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people, which is great. There's not that
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many of them that are comprehensively
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dug into that show. So, let's Should we
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try to see if we can stump it?
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>> Here's the thing. We I told Spade this
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when we did a podcast. Like I'm I was
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born in 1969. That's literally the
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perfect year to grow up at the show cuz
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I was six when the when the show
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premiered. I wasn't able to watch it
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till I was maybe eight or nine. They
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started running the half hour
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>> kind of highlight shows on NBC that
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would be like 9:00, 9:30, whenever that
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was on. And that's how Belushi was my
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first guy. I'm like who is this? I'm
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like eight. I'm like this is how does
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this person exist? Started watching
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those. They finally let me stay up late
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for the fifth season, my parents. And
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then I was all the way through Eddie uh
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when you came on when uh when Spade like
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the height of the 90s and all that. Then
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Hartman I mean uh uh Frell coming back
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and basically saving the show and it
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felt like it was a trouble.
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>> Uh I've been there for every piece of
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it.
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>> Wow. Have you have you did you ever
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entertain going into the business we're
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in?
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>> So ironically I did. I was I was um in
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the mid 90s I was writing for uh the
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Boston Herald and trying I really wanted
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a sports column and the high school
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newspapers and it's like I have no
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chance this is never happening and I
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lived with a guy who I'd done a lot of
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comedy stuff with just for fun and we
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knew this guy named Bill Lawrence who um
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I think
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>> he's a producer. Yeah, he's he was at
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the time he was on the show Friends
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>> and he had an SNL connection
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>> and it was the year when everything blew
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up when the New York magazine when they
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wrote that piece and it was that when
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they were coming in and they're blowing
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up the show, summer 95 maybe.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And we did this whole packet and we sent
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in,
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>> you know, 20 pages of stuff. Now I
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learned later like there's no way
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anybody even saw it, but we sent it in.
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We're like this is it. This is our big
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break.
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>> Uh and it never happened. But um
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>> without You mean without a an agent or
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something just sending in a packet?
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>> No, but we had like Oh, a guy knows a
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guy. I was one of those. But you don't
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know any better. I was living in Boston.
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>> We're not supposed, you know, we're not
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supposed to read them. We on the show.
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We were talking yesterday about how we
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had mailboxes, you know, there wasn't
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email. So, right Dana was always full
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and then uh and Mike Myers and then
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everyone else just started getting full.
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But but if people sent packets, which a
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lot of people would send us scripts and
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stuff and to this day, if you read, they
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can sue you. So you really can't even
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>> read it in case you don't like it. But 3
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years later there's a sketch like that
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on the show cuz it's very easy to think.
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>> We didn't know that in Boston. We're
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just like this. They're going to hire
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us. We'll be able to come in. We'll be
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hanging with Sandler. And it just did
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not happen.
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>> Better keep my summer free so I can go
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in there and prep when they call right
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away.
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>> What was your first sketch that that was
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the top of that 20page pile? What was
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it? What was the topic of it?
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>> It was a big Friends parody.
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It was the first year of friends and we
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did a long you you probably saw it in
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the pile. No, it was a big
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>> and I told Lauren, "It's not happening.
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It's all right. He'll he'll he'll he'll
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do he'll do fine."
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>> I remember we had another one about
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Jesus making Jesus coming back and like
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signing with Nike and doing this whole
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and we were like really this is so edgy.
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This is going to be great. Now I I read
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it now I'd want to kill myself.
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Well,
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>> yeah, but sometimes stuff was funny
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anyway back then. When I even look back
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at sketches that are like clanking, it
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seemed to work then
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>> and uh you just don't know and then
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later you embarrassed. But some of them
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actually still hold up.
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>> Yeah, we're going to
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>> Well, it's funny with your era there.
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The sketches were mean in a good way.
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Like some of the stuff I like some of
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the Carson stuff Dana did, you go back
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and you watch it, you're like, "Oo,
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>> man." Like, was Carson okay with this? I
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just don't know if
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>> stuff's not mean in the same way.
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Especially SNL which is way more
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celebrity friendly than I think it was.
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But back then it was like like Roblo did
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that uh the the Arsenio Beckman whatever
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that was like the Arsenio parrot. It's
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like man this is kind of mean. Yeah.
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>> But it was good. That's what we all grew
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up with. That was what made us laugh.
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>> I don't know if there's a better way to
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put it but if there's an elephant in the
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room or what you're not supposed to say
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or what you're observing, you just need
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to tease that out. That's why it's
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funny, you know, and then it can be
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construed as mean or not mean. But
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Johnny was fine with it. He actually
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liked Carino,
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>> you know. He said really they're making
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fun of Arino as much as they're making
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fun of us. That was And then there was
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one sketch that got him dinged and I was
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blacklisted casually from the show. Um,
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so bittersweet memories, but of course I
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revered Carson and I revered doing him.
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I've never had more relaxed fun than
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being in the Johnny the Earnest Nebraska
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guy. That that's just a great Bill's
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here and you apparently have a very big
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podcast called It's called The Ringer. I
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understand. You know, that
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>> interviewer with that voice
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>> hasn't been replaced yet, but we've had
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some great people, but not no Carson
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yet. Well, then you did the Larry
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Sanders episode, which in the be the one
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of the best seasons in the history of
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television, season four. But, uh, where
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you come on and you're doing the
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impression and they're trying to keep
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Larry from finding out that Dana has his
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impression of him, then he sees it and
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then it's a whole cat and mouse game of
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whether he's going to do it on the show,
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but you actually have the mustache on
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and the fake teeth. You're like,
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>> I have the my ass.
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>> Yeah. And I heard Gary was tweet by it
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later, but I I told him I said, "I'm
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just doing one frequency that you use in
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your standup something." And I don't
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even know what he's trying to do to me,
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you know? It's like Jay Leno. Yeah, it
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goes like that, but he doesn't talk like
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that, you know. But anyway,
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>> he goes like this, too.
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>> I do think that was different way back
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in the day where you would take a piece
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of something and both of you guys did
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it. You take a piece of whatever and
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then you blow it out and now it become
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the impersonation, right? Like Will
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Frell did that with with when he was
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doing W.
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>> He took like small pieces of it. It
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wasn't even close to being W. You did
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that when you did uh George Bush Senior.
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Same thing.
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>> Oh yeah.
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>> Now I feel like when they're doing the
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impressions, it's more like a dead-on
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impersonation of somebody is the trend
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now. But back then it was like I'm going
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to take this one piece and go crazy with
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it.
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>> I I'm doing it with Biden currently
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because I you know you need to you know
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I said this yesterday but my latest toy
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is so abstract. Because the only one who
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understand Biden is is Hunter. So then I
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then I can do Biden of anything. Hey,
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Dad. What's going on? Yeah, just goes to
00:15:17
people. So I Oh, no. I already ate.
00:15:20
Maybe tomorrow night. Yeah, cuz sure.
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Yeah, 7:30 is great. Okay. You know, so
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I I find for myself in high school with
00:15:28
my friends, I want to ask you this,
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abstracting my impression of the water
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polo coach into madness and then that
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rhythm extenuated. coming from someplace
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real like Will's W was in a real zone
00:15:42
but so playful. I just like the style of
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it. I also like people who could do a
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perfect impression too. But I do like
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abstracting it.
00:15:50
>> I mean that was Hartman like when when I
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was in college and we would tape it, you
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know, we'd have like the VCR player. So
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we tape it, we watch it the next day. It
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was like a Sunday ritual.
00:16:00
>> And Hartman did the McMahon and we
00:16:03
thought the McMahon was like the
00:16:04
funniest thing of all time. wasn't
00:16:06
really, you know, there were pieces of
00:16:08
Ed, but his version of McMahon, we
00:16:10
thought combined with the Carson, we
00:16:13
just like we would be imitating, we' be
00:16:15
talking about, but Hartman was really
00:16:16
good at. He did that with the Sinatra
00:16:18
group, too.
00:16:19
>> Um.
00:16:19
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, sure.
00:16:20
>> Where same thing like his version of
00:16:21
Sinatra, Piscapo was like more of an
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impression
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>> and he would have fun with that. I know
00:16:26
Pispo is on your pot. I loved it.
00:16:28
>> Um, but great. Yeah,
00:16:30
>> the Hartman Sinatra was a little bit
00:16:32
like uh I don't know, a little rowdier,
00:16:35
a little angrier, and I thought it was
00:16:36
funnier.
00:16:37
>> What about Ed McMahon doing it when all
00:16:39
he has to say is yes and you are
00:16:41
correct. Just those little hooks just
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saying it over and over. You are
00:16:45
correct, sir. And then when he goes
00:16:46
young, older reference lost on younger
00:16:49
viewers. Yes.
00:16:50
>> Because that that was where Phil was the
00:16:52
laugh bomb and I didn't have to carry
00:16:54
that weight. I was kind of doing this
00:16:56
rhythm and setting it up and very
00:16:58
sincere and I know that you are correct
00:17:00
sir.
00:17:00
>> Yeah.
00:17:01
>> Old reference last time. So it was just
00:17:03
a like a a magic show. It was like and
00:17:07
then boom. But yeah, Phil was just
00:17:09
>> there was a piece to that Carson thing
00:17:11
though where you were tapping into
00:17:13
something that I think people my
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generation were feeling where like
00:17:15
Letterman was our guy for my generation.
00:17:18
the most important things that happened
00:17:20
to me when I was like 12, 13 was Eddie
00:17:22
Murphy and Letterman
00:17:23
>> and just kind of going on the ride with
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both of those guys from 82 to 85. And
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Carson, I love Carson.
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>> Everyone, you know, for for three
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generations, Carson was with three
00:17:35
channels, everyone watched Carson,
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>> but he did start to seem a little old by
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the time we got to the late 80s.
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>> And when you guys kind of crossed the
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beams and went after him a little bit in
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a fun way, but you still went after him.
00:17:47
It was a little like when Norman went
00:17:48
after Letterman in the mid 90s. It was
00:17:50
the same thing where he loved Letterman,
00:17:52
but the fact that he was paring him was
00:17:54
like, "Oh, okay. We're doing this now."
00:17:56
>> Well, I would say built to that that I
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kind of realized that everybody every
00:18:02
comedian becomes a characture of
00:18:04
themselves. Like, am I looking at this
00:18:06
comedian and and maybe actor or
00:18:08
whatever, or am I looking at an
00:18:09
impersonator? So, there's just this
00:18:12
redundancy to your character. But with
00:18:14
Johnny, Jay Leno told me, uh, he was
00:18:17
guest hosting back then, Johnny was
00:18:18
still around, that Johnny would walk
00:18:20
down at NBC at Burbank and just yell
00:18:22
out, "They're making fun of me now. It's
00:18:24
time to go."
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>> So,
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>> right.
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>> That was Johnny, who's obviously was
00:18:29
very bright, kind of reading the tea
00:18:31
leaves, you know,
00:18:32
>> and then you never went on again, right?
00:18:34
>> I didn't.
00:18:35
>> Well, so what happened when you did
00:18:36
Dennis Miller, who you were friends
00:18:38
with, who used to be on the show,
00:18:39
>> you did Dennis Miller cooking, but did
00:18:41
he like that? Did you think it was
00:18:42
funny?
00:18:43
>> Well, Robert Smiggle writes these pieces
00:18:46
that are brilliant and they're they're a
00:18:48
little cutting. I with that because I
00:18:50
was good friends with uh with Dennis. I
00:18:54
just called him, you know, and said,
00:18:56
"We're doing the cooking show, the
00:18:57
thing." And he goes, "Okay, that's all
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right." You know,
00:19:00
>> I mean, it's hard to say no even though
00:19:02
you don't like it. I don't think anyone
00:19:03
really likes an impression when they're
00:19:05
It's like getting a caricature
00:19:07
uh you know, on the things you're
00:19:09
fearful of yourself. All the things you
00:19:11
don't like.
00:19:12
>> They did me about 3 weeks after I left
00:19:14
SNL. I'm like, "Let me get out of the
00:19:15
building." Jesus, let let the body get
00:19:17
cold. [ __ ]
00:19:19
>> Well, you had Terry Hatcher sitting next
00:19:20
to you for the Spade in America that
00:19:22
time.
00:19:23
>> Oh, that was that was one of the best
00:19:25
ones you ever did. And she just started
00:19:26
doing you and it was like, "Oh [ __ ]
00:19:28
what's going on here?"
00:19:30
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But at least I got to
00:19:31
be there and give her jokes and things
00:19:32
to say to so make it funny and make her
00:19:36
at least get
00:19:37
>> get more of the laughs because she was
00:19:39
the host. But she was great about it.
00:19:41
Yeah, that was that was actually a fun
00:19:44
one cuz I was there. But like when you
00:19:46
did Dennis with Tom Hanks, that was fun.
00:19:48
But Dennis is in on it and then I think
00:19:50
he doesn't mind and he and he sort of is
00:19:52
that way and his voice is so perfect to
00:19:55
do. Uh I think he was always cool about
00:19:58
it. He's he's so and he's so great. it
00:20:00
and it's so when you have a a a way of
00:20:03
speaking that can be it's just very
00:20:06
unique and I think that's ultimately
00:20:07
>> it was just from hanging out with Dennis
00:20:09
a lot and touring with Dennis and just
00:20:11
extrapolating that attitude but you know
00:20:14
I was standing outside a hotel Dennis
00:20:16
and I were playing Dallas or something
00:20:18
and I said that just hit me that your
00:20:20
whole comic motif is like life is really
00:20:23
[ __ ] and it's really hard like so
00:20:26
because the car at the airport they get
00:20:29
the car gets you to the gig, right? But
00:20:32
when you do the gig the next morning,
00:20:34
the car is always late, which I pointed
00:20:36
that out to Dennis and then he just he
00:20:38
laughs so hard me going dark, you know?
00:20:41
They got us in, but now [ __ ] it, now
00:20:43
it's a half hour late, flight's leaving,
00:20:44
you know, and he died with that. But I I
00:20:46
just think that attitude is still so
00:20:49
funny to me. Billy Simmons, huh? SNL
00:20:53
cat, huh? Got the photographic memory
00:20:55
like a junior Creskin here. So funny.
00:20:58
Yeah, Kreskin's always in there. You
00:20:59
know, we golfed once in Palm Springs.
00:21:01
And he goes, "Uh, we drive all the way
00:21:03
there." And he goes, "Uh, he goes, "You
00:21:06
want to go golf in Palm Springs?" I was
00:21:07
like a newer comic. And he goes, "Uh, I
00:21:09
go, "Yeah, yeah." So, he goes, "Yeah,
00:21:11
okay. I'll meet you out there." I'm
00:21:12
like, "We don't want to drive together."
00:21:14
Like, "Okay." So, we drive all the way
00:21:16
out there.
00:21:17
>> Yeah. And then we get out there and
00:21:18
then, uh, we're golfing and I go, "Hey,
00:21:21
how far to the green?" He goes, "Hey,
00:21:23
Spud, you don't have to worry about the
00:21:25
green for another [ __ ] nine shots."
00:21:27
All right. Hit it as hard as you can.
00:21:29
And I'm like, "Okay." And then because
00:21:32
we were I don't know. And then he hits
00:21:34
two bad shots in a row. He goes, "Fuck
00:21:35
it. I'm heading back." I go back home to
00:21:37
LA. Goes, "Yeah, [ __ ] that." I go,
00:21:39
"Dennis, don't be this is you're too
00:21:41
hard to deal with. Come on. Like we're
00:21:43
having fun. Everything's cool." But I
00:21:44
looked up to him so much I couldn't
00:21:46
really talk back to him or bust his
00:21:47
balls too much. It took so long to get
00:21:50
to that point. But he's still always
00:21:52
above me, better joke, right? It's
00:21:54
always that thing growing up. Who do you
00:21:55
look at? That's why when people come on
00:21:56
the show, yeah, I still have reverence
00:21:59
to certain people because I got there
00:22:01
with Dana, with all these guys because
00:22:03
they were always the ones I looked up to
00:22:05
going on. Uh, and then if you ever get
00:22:08
in a movie where kids come to you and
00:22:10
say, "Hey, we watch Benchwmers or we
00:22:12
watch whatever." And then you go, if
00:22:14
this is anything close to what it was
00:22:17
like when I would watch movies and I saw
00:22:20
someone from that movie, I would have
00:22:21
[ __ ] freaked out cuz that's all that
00:22:22
mattered in my life was those movies.
00:22:24
>> Yeah. We also had less choices back
00:22:26
then. I really wonder like if you're
00:22:28
like 18 now, there's so much comedy and
00:22:32
stuff to watch and Tik Tok all these
00:22:34
different places.
00:22:36
>> Blended
00:22:37
>> like when uh I think you guys were both
00:22:39
on the on the show for this, the
00:22:40
Partridge Family versus Brady Bunch
00:22:42
sketch.
00:22:43
>> Yeah.
00:22:44
>> Like to me that was one of the peak SNL
00:22:46
sketches. Not because it was like one of
00:22:48
the funniest, but it was like it hit
00:22:50
this time. Everyone watching that show
00:22:52
had the same pop culture experiences,
00:22:54
right? So, anyone I knew knew the
00:22:56
Partridge Family, we knew the Brady
00:22:58
Bunch, we knew every episode of those.
00:22:59
We knew Charlie's Angels. We knew all
00:23:01
the early SNLs. We knew the early light.
00:23:03
Like, we all had like the same 25
00:23:05
things. We had the same movies.
00:23:07
>> So, when you guys did that and it was
00:23:09
like, "Oh, they're going for this. Oh,
00:23:10
there's more cast members. Oh, they're
00:23:12
gonna have the voice crack." And I don't
00:23:14
know how you would do that now in 2024
00:23:17
because I don't know if 15 20 years ago
00:23:21
people like at age 22 would have all the
00:23:24
same experiences. Yeah. I don't know if
00:23:26
it exists.
00:23:26
>> I mean the biggest show currently kind
00:23:29
of is the bear which is a great show but
00:23:32
you know how far can it reach compared
00:23:34
to prime time. I got cancelled from a
00:23:36
sitcom and we were doing Mickey Ro show
00:23:39
24 share or whether it was 30 million or
00:23:42
just with three channels. It was insane.
00:23:45
But we actually to that sketch we had
00:23:46
Melanie Hutzel on who was in it and she
00:23:49
wrote it and we broke that sketch down
00:23:51
for like a half hour on the podcast with
00:23:53
her just the part and the how it came
00:23:56
together. The Brady Bunch match.
00:23:58
>> Well, plus Susan Day was in it which
00:24:00
pushed it o over the top. But I heard
00:24:02
even Pisko when he was on a couple weeks
00:24:04
ago on your show
00:24:06
>> and he was talking about how they didn't
00:24:07
feel like the show was doing that well
00:24:09
but yet 8 million people were watching
00:24:10
or whatever it was. That's what it was
00:24:12
like. Like we had
00:24:12
>> right
00:24:14
>> 11 channels. So even if SNL was kind of
00:24:16
failing, everyone was still watching it.
00:24:18
And then when SNL started to come back
00:24:20
with Eddie was like this is great. SNL's
00:24:22
back. And then they had the Billy
00:24:23
Crystal season.
00:24:25
>> Did you have a crush on Susan Day or
00:24:27
not? I did.
00:24:28
>> Oh my god. Come on. I mean, growing up
00:24:29
with a partridge family, I was like,
00:24:31
Dana liked David Cassie, but I me and
00:24:33
you liked Susan Day.
00:24:35
>> Well, then she had the LA Law comeback,
00:24:37
which was like, all right,
00:24:38
>> I was into it.
00:24:40
>> Chrissy didn't talk much.
00:24:41
>> Who's attractive? Who's more attractive
00:24:43
from that era? Elizabeth Elizabeth
00:24:46
Montgomery or Susan Day?
00:24:49
>> Susan Day. I felt like Elizabeth
00:24:50
Montgomery was slightly older
00:24:52
generation, right?
00:24:54
>> Still loved.
00:24:55
>> Thanks for answering that, Bill. No, no.
00:24:57
There was like there's three
00:24:58
generations. There was like the Peggy
00:25:00
Lipton, Belinda Montgomery generation.
00:25:02
There was the Lindsay Wagner, Linda
00:25:05
Carter, Cheryl, Jack Smith generation.
00:25:08
>> With that was such an easy cell. God
00:25:10
damn.
00:25:10
>> Oh, all the above. All the above.
00:25:13
>> Danner,
00:25:14
>> the Charlie's Angels.
00:25:15
>> Yeah.
00:25:16
>> Ble Danner.
00:25:17
>> Then we moved to the Dukes of Hazard,
00:25:19
Fall Guy, Heather Thomas, Katherine
00:25:21
Bach, that era. Yeah.
00:25:23
>> You were watching a lot of TV. I was
00:25:25
known a child. I was watching sports and
00:25:27
TV. What else was I reading books? What
00:25:29
else was I going to do?
00:25:30
>> Me, too. I know. I know. I know all
00:25:32
those shows.
00:25:37
I don't know what we've lost. I was We
00:25:39
were going to ask you just cuz you're
00:25:42
have your pulse on, you know, media
00:25:44
podcasting stuff. like
00:25:47
>> John Stewart's coming out in SNL and
00:25:50
what is the influence now of political
00:25:52
satire versus 80s and 90s in terms of
00:25:56
moving the needle?
00:25:58
>> Uh I like that phrase. So anyway, talk
00:26:00
to that if you want to.
00:26:02
>> Well, it's I mean SNL had a huge part
00:26:04
with this. I I would say maybe the
00:26:07
biggest and once Trump came in in 2016,
00:26:10
I think it just became a lot harder
00:26:12
because when when the real life stuff is
00:26:14
a parody, how do you parody a parody?
00:26:16
When you look back to
00:26:17
>> Akroyd, I mean, you've talked about this
00:26:19
on the podcast. Acrodite's doing Nixon,
00:26:21
he's got a mustache. Like everything was
00:26:23
way more loosey goosey. Uh Acro's doing
00:26:26
Jimmy Carter talking about the Almond
00:26:28
Brothers, smoking a doobie with them.
00:26:30
Uh Hartman does Reagan.
00:26:33
>> I mean his the Reagan sketch where
00:26:35
Reagan's pretending he's out of it and
00:26:37
then everybody leaves the room. And I
00:26:38
mean it's one of the great sketches
00:26:40
they've ever done.
00:26:41
>> Yeah.
00:26:41
>> And then once they figured out the
00:26:43
debates, the 88 debate I think was huge
00:26:45
with the Dukakus and
00:26:48
>> uh Bush and it was just so and Love it
00:26:50
doing the I can't believe I'm losing
00:26:51
this guy. I think from 88 all the way
00:26:54
through Sarah Palin, SNL really was kind
00:26:57
of shaping how people thought in a lot
00:26:59
of ways. I to me like the Sarah Palin
00:27:01
thing still makes me mad because when
00:27:03
they had her on with Tina, I felt like
00:27:05
that's when something shifted
00:27:08
>> and the celebrity cameo became as
00:27:11
important for the show as making fun of
00:27:14
these people. And that's that to me is
00:27:16
like the line in the sand when the show
00:27:18
started to change a little bit. D they
00:27:19
they'd bring on they'd have 32 cast
00:27:21
members then they'd bring on stars to
00:27:23
play people
00:27:25
>> and not use the cast.
00:27:26
>> I see.
00:27:27
>> I would be furious.
00:27:28
>> A lot of a lot of cameos.
00:27:30
>> Yeah. That I I feel like it's very it's
00:27:33
so different and difficult to be a cast
00:27:36
member on that show right now if you're
00:27:38
just coming into established players.
00:27:40
And I think it's great. I kind of wish
00:27:42
I'd stayed a few years longer but people
00:27:44
are staying 10 12 years and then new
00:27:46
people in there. It's such a different
00:27:48
dynamic that Lauren is managing the best
00:27:51
he can. You know,
00:27:52
>> I thought you stayed the perfect amount
00:27:53
of time.
00:27:55
>> Well, I definitely because Wayne's World
00:27:57
hit and my political impressions hit, I
00:27:59
got sort of uh freakily really big
00:28:02
really fast, maybe too big, you know,
00:28:06
and so I had so so much stuff coming at
00:28:08
me. I was almost confused uh as to what
00:28:10
to do. But later on I realized that I my
00:28:14
own attention attention dis deficit
00:28:16
disorder and sketch comedy I was like a
00:28:19
fish in water in that. That's why I went
00:28:22
back to it in 97 with with u the Dana
00:28:26
Car about
00:28:29
>> loaded.
00:28:30
>> What about I'm asking about podcast
00:28:32
superstars. What's next for Megan and
00:28:34
Harry? Because
00:28:37
>> I don't you say something about you've
00:28:39
called you a great word. something in
00:28:41
the past.
00:28:42
>> It's a great word. But do they Is it
00:28:44
Hallmark movies now? What's next? What
00:28:46
would be the best move?
00:28:48
>> I mean, there's probably a there's a
00:28:50
huge acting comeback for her at some
00:28:51
point, right?
00:28:52
>> She should do that Suits show. It's huge
00:28:54
now on Netflix. She should just jump
00:28:56
right back in.
00:28:57
>> Or some TV like a Christmas movie where
00:29:00
her divorced husband and they have to be
00:29:02
with the kids, but they're stuck in the
00:29:04
snow and then they fall back in love.
00:29:06
Yeah, she just needs one of those. She's
00:29:07
back. And John Corbett could play her
00:29:10
husband.
00:29:11
>> He's just a friend of mine. But
00:29:13
>> because all she needs is one thing like
00:29:14
that to get big ratings just out of
00:29:16
curiosity factor. And she's back in
00:29:18
Hollywood. I don't know why. I don't
00:29:19
know why she's not jumping back.
00:29:20
>> The biggest reason Suits took off again
00:29:22
though. I mean it huge on top secret.
00:29:25
Yeah.
00:29:26
>> Do Do you think if Harry came out I mean
00:29:29
he did some event in Vegas where he made
00:29:31
fun of himself a little bit or told some
00:29:33
jokes. I think that's the move for him
00:29:35
and it could be on this podcast. or or
00:29:38
on other on yours but
00:29:40
>> or host SNL
00:29:41
>> any kind of little just in the lane of
00:29:44
it being funny he's aware of how people
00:29:46
perceive him and stuff I think would be
00:29:48
because they're just monolithic now we
00:29:50
don't really know what they're thinking
00:29:52
they release statements and
00:29:54
>> here here's one thing I've learned Dana
00:29:56
and I've had my podcast since 2007
00:29:59
not everybody should have a podcast
00:30:02
like it's okay it's not like it's not
00:30:05
like a driver's license you know some
00:30:07
people just can't do it.
00:30:08
>> It's turning into it. It's sort of
00:30:10
mandatory.
00:30:11
>> I just want to make a note because for
00:30:13
the people listening, you don't all have
00:30:15
to have one. It's okay.
00:30:17
>> It's not like Instagram.
00:30:18
>> It sounds easy and it's kind of hard.
00:30:21
>> It's hard and you have to you have to
00:30:23
have some level of expertise on
00:30:25
something. You have to have real
00:30:26
authenticity. I mean,
00:30:28
>> one of the reasons like think about all
00:30:29
the reasons your your show works. You
00:30:31
have a relationship with each other. I'd
00:30:33
want to listen to you guys talk anyway.
00:30:35
you have this wealth of SNL related
00:30:39
guests, but then also other comedians
00:30:40
that could come on that feel comfortable
00:30:42
with you. They tell stories. I hear
00:30:43
things maybe I didn't know. And I just
00:30:45
feel like I'm hanging out with you guys.
00:30:47
Like podcasting is not that hard, but
00:30:49
people always over and over again make
00:30:51
it hard and they come up with they try
00:30:53
to do the idea versus to look at what
00:30:56
actually works, which is like, do I want
00:30:57
to spend time with the host or not? Over
00:30:59
and over again, it's do I want to spend
00:31:00
time with these people or not or this
00:31:02
person, and that's what works. Where do
00:31:03
you where do you interject because my uh
00:31:06
you know people tell me about outrage
00:31:08
outrage if it's outrageous it's
00:31:10
contagious you know a lot of podcasts
00:31:12
kind of harbor in
00:31:14
>> you know the idea of clicks and trending
00:31:16
you have the hot take that gets there
00:31:18
first
00:31:19
>> and there's that lane we're sort of we
00:31:22
want to make people feel good and be
00:31:23
interesting but we don't should David
00:31:25
and I have a feud we can cut this part
00:31:27
out but
00:31:28
>> should we find a way to get really mad
00:31:32
at each
00:31:33
But you know that that lane I mean it
00:31:36
>> no you guys are good. You guys are doing
00:31:37
great.
00:31:38
>> Spade spade every like maybe every month
00:31:41
could just take a flying pot shot at
00:31:44
somebody to see if it could maybe get in
00:31:45
a couple places.
00:31:46
>> See if I still got it
00:31:47
>> out of nowhere jumping off the top rope
00:31:49
flying elbow on somebody. I don't know
00:31:51
mess around.
00:31:51
>> I want to believe me I want to a lot of
00:31:53
times
00:31:53
>> instead of fly on the wall fly on the
00:31:55
minute and you bring back Hollywood
00:31:57
Minute but it's part of our show just
00:31:59
that
00:31:59
>> Wait, can we talk about Hollywood Minute
00:32:01
for a second?
00:32:01
>> Yeah, sure. one of the iconic update uh
00:32:04
reoccurring things that David did.
00:32:06
>> Did Hollywood Bennett create Twitter?
00:32:11
>> Yeah.
00:32:12
>> How about that? Yeah, I think
00:32:13
>> it was it was a pre precursor for sure.
00:32:16
>> It's basically Twitter. You watch it and
00:32:18
it's just like he's throwing out these
00:32:20
oneliners with a pictureeliners about a
00:32:22
photo. Yeah,
00:32:23
>> maybe you should talk to Elon. Maybe see
00:32:24
if you can get a cut.
00:32:26
>> God damn. I don't know. I I sometimes
00:32:28
hear old Hollywood Minute jokes and I
00:32:31
go, "God damn." Like some of them are
00:32:32
pretty rough. Uh but I think for back in
00:32:36
the day when it was just uh fawning over
00:32:38
celebrities, that was the only hook it
00:32:40
had. It was like if someone doesn't
00:32:41
really know anyone or you don't know me
00:32:43
and I've got sort of an innocent look
00:32:45
and then really
00:32:48
hopefully cleverly. And that's another
00:32:50
thing is a lot of the writers I was
00:32:51
going to say are trying to use me to get
00:32:53
through me even through sketches through
00:32:55
Dana. They want to get stuff out there,
00:32:58
even if it's like anger, and they go,
00:32:59
"You should do this." Because they don't
00:33:02
have a way to do it. They go, "I can
00:33:03
funnel it through one of these clowns
00:33:05
and get it out there and then I'll be on
00:33:06
the side going, yeah, [ __ ] that guy."
00:33:08
And so, social media has changed a
00:33:11
little bit. You're doing that on the
00:33:12
show and it's just on,
00:33:13
>> right? And people taped it,
00:33:15
>> then it comes and goes. And if somebody
00:33:17
got mad, maybe you'd read about it in a
00:33:19
newspaper, the trades, but ultimately
00:33:21
>> you couldn't even see it unless you
00:33:22
watched it.
00:33:23
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:23
>> And I think now that the last 15 years,
00:33:25
one of the things that's changed with
00:33:26
the show is if something, you know, like
00:33:29
you have some comment in Hollywood
00:33:30
Minute and be like, "Oh my god." Then it
00:33:31
turns into a thing, then the celebrity
00:33:33
gets mad, they fire back at you. Now
00:33:35
people are reporting about that and it
00:33:37
turns into
00:33:38
>> story. It would be before I went to bed
00:33:39
that night. It I would know what hit,
00:33:41
what didn't, what was the problem and
00:33:43
then I'd have to have an answer the next
00:33:45
day and then there'd be a feud and then
00:33:46
it would go back and everyone would have
00:33:48
a [ __ ] comment about it. I think that
00:33:50
keeps SNL really helps it because if I
00:33:52
don't see a sketch now I follow them. So
00:33:54
if I don't see a sketch I can watch it
00:33:56
Sunday morning they're just like sketch
00:33:57
sketch sketch like broken out monologue
00:34:00
this that and that's kind of a smart way
00:34:02
to sift through to see what's going on
00:34:04
there lately.
00:34:05
>> Yeah totally. Well it's also interesting
00:34:07
to see how the cast members are using
00:34:09
>> like Khloe Fineman has a really good
00:34:11
Instagram account
00:34:12
>> and she just like test drives different
00:34:14
characters and stuff and you're w half
00:34:16
the time you're watching it going how is
00:34:18
this not on the show? Why am I watching
00:34:19
this on Instagram? But
00:34:21
>> audition. Yeah.
00:34:22
>> It seems like there's more creative
00:34:24
outlets than probably you had in the mid
00:34:26
90s where you're writing for yourself.
00:34:28
>> If they say no to the sketch, you're
00:34:30
basically like, "Oh [ __ ] all I did was
00:34:32
walk out and say goodbye to everybody."
00:34:33
At the end of that, I did nothing
00:34:35
>> and then that's it till the next week,
00:34:37
right?
00:34:38
>> Yeah, that one stung. That was a little
00:34:39
too close to home. Yeah.
00:34:42
There's this Instagram account that runs
00:34:44
all these old sketches and they ran
00:34:46
Comedy Killers from Nean's the It's a
00:34:50
game show. Nean's the host.
00:34:52
>> And I I I don't know if Dana was still
00:34:54
in the show, but David probably was, but
00:34:57
>> it's all these categories of things
00:34:58
whether they're a comedy company or not.
00:35:00
It's like the categories like the
00:35:01
Holocaust, child abuse,
00:35:04
>> it's just and then it goes through and I
00:35:06
was like, man, what would happen if they
00:35:08
ran this now? What would the reaction
00:35:10
be? Because back then we were like, "Oh
00:35:12
yeah, this is great. What a great idea.
00:35:14
This is so funny." We were all in on the
00:35:15
joke. Now people would just get mad. I
00:35:17
feel like
00:35:17
>> I think that's why people like Bill Burr
00:35:19
or Shane or those guys do well because
00:35:21
it's just even Theo, they just say
00:35:23
whatever they want and it's almost like
00:35:25
back in time. And then some people go, I
00:35:27
don't want to get mad. I just want to
00:35:29
laugh or not laugh and not have a big
00:35:30
opinion about it and move on. But and
00:35:33
then people get mad at them and want to
00:35:35
get rid of them and you go, no, maybe
00:35:36
you can't get rid of people anymore.
00:35:37
hopefully just if it just falls under
00:35:39
comedy,
00:35:41
of course, we always think you should be
00:35:42
able to do whatever you want. But not
00:35:44
everyone.
00:35:45
>> But isn't the reason you guys got into
00:35:46
comedy is like part of what was funny
00:35:49
is, oh, I probably shouldn't say that
00:35:51
or, oh, I shouldn't laugh at that, but
00:35:53
that's what was funny about it.
00:35:55
>> And now the fear there's there feels
00:35:58
like there's more fear than we've ever
00:35:59
had with comedy. But I I agree with you
00:36:01
that it's coming back because my son's
00:36:02
16. He loves Shane Gillis
00:36:05
>> and he like
00:36:07
>> that generation I think is ready to see
00:36:10
somebody kind of dance close to the line
00:36:12
again,
00:36:13
>> right? They they went from the super
00:36:15
pampered super everyone's scared to do
00:36:17
anything and the new people like, "Hey,
00:36:18
[ __ ] it. Let's get back to just laughing
00:36:20
and doing jokes and not because it's all
00:36:23
it's all down to like five jokes you're
00:36:25
allowed to use and then everyone's like,
00:36:26
"Okay, I'll accept that one. That one
00:36:28
didn't offend anyone. It has no no
00:36:30
corners on it. It's just the most
00:36:31
generic bland dog [ __ ] And some of
00:36:34
these comedy specials, they're just
00:36:35
sitting talking. Like there's not even
00:36:37
they're just like walking around. You
00:36:38
go, "Is there jokes?" Someone's like, "I
00:36:40
won't have an audience in mine or I
00:36:42
won't have this." And there's not. It's
00:36:44
not just even jokes anymore. Making you
00:36:47
laugh. It's like introspective. And I
00:36:49
go, I I personally would go, let's just
00:36:52
get back to getting laughs.
00:36:54
>> I agree. What do you think, Dana? You
00:36:56
know, I I you were maybe too young for
00:36:58
this when it came out, but Blazing
00:36:59
Saddles. So, Blazing Saddles is like
00:37:03
it's a peak movie for me. I'm like a
00:37:05
senior in high school or something.
00:37:07
>> Yeah. Sure.
00:37:08
>> And so, I knew that Richard Prior, who
00:37:12
co-wrote it with Mel Brooks, was not
00:37:14
racist, and neither was Mel Brooks. I
00:37:17
knew it was they were satarizing
00:37:20
all the white racists are idiots. Cleon
00:37:22
Little is above everybody. So, and the
00:37:25
movie is hysterical, but yeah, you can't
00:37:27
do it. Now, the difference between
00:37:31
uh like I played a southern a strong
00:37:34
Thur or whatever, Southern Car on SNL.
00:37:37
Yeah. And
00:37:38
>> right
00:37:38
>> now it would be like I as if I'm that
00:37:41
guy. Yeah. We've lost our sense of humor
00:37:44
about it. For better, for worse. It's
00:37:46
very it's very serious out there because
00:37:49
the stakes are very high between the
00:37:51
left and the right and Trump and Biden.
00:37:53
It's very It's just compared to like
00:37:56
Clinton versus George Sanders, it's like
00:37:59
so benign and now it's all toxic and I
00:38:02
have to trace it back to social media
00:38:04
giving us a platform and tribalism. Talk
00:38:07
to that. I don't want to even mention
00:38:09
what do you think about that people
00:38:11
getting there
00:38:12
>> in their bubbles.
00:38:13
>> It's like it's it's a combination.
00:38:15
Social media becomes the hall police
00:38:18
where a lot of people on social media
00:38:19
are just trying to get people mad at
00:38:21
each other being like did you see that?
00:38:22
Did you see what he said? Did you see
00:38:24
that? And
00:38:25
>> kind of poking the bear on that stuff.
00:38:27
Um,
00:38:28
>> it's also easier to go backwards
00:38:30
>> and have somebody be like, "Oh, I dug
00:38:33
this thing you did at your comedy set
00:38:35
1993. That's weird."
00:38:37
>> Um, you have people who are doing
00:38:39
standup acts. I know they try to take
00:38:41
the phones as much as possible, but
00:38:43
>> you know, sometimes when you're te and
00:38:45
I'm not a standup, but talked to enough
00:38:47
of them. Like sometimes you're out
00:38:48
there, you're testing [ __ ] and you're
00:38:50
trying to figure out what works and what
00:38:51
doesn't and where the lines are. And if
00:38:53
>> you're losing that ability, that becomes
00:38:56
dangerous too, I think. But um
00:38:58
>> right,
00:38:59
>> it's also hard to p pry people's phones
00:39:01
out of their hands. I mean, it's who's
00:39:03
giving up their phone for two hours, you
00:39:04
know? That's a very tough situation to
00:39:07
say you can't t talk to your babysitter,
00:39:09
you can't talk to anyone. And and so you
00:39:12
have to agree to do that. People are
00:39:13
doing it. But yeah, what you're saying
00:39:16
is true. If you want to say jokes that
00:39:17
go way too far and then you're going to
00:39:19
be judged on that, you're like, "This is
00:39:20
where we used to practice." And then we
00:39:22
go, "Okay, that one didn't work. Okay,
00:39:24
that's too much." But it's already out
00:39:26
there now. And they're like, "No, that's
00:39:28
your favorite joke." And you're like,
00:39:29
"No, that was a pretend joke I'm trying
00:39:31
to sharpen and now I got to I'm going to
00:39:34
die with it because that's where do you
00:39:37
practice?" You know, what do you do? I'm
00:39:39
with you.
00:39:40
>> Yeah. Well, you you want to as comedians
00:39:42
mostly just you want to say what you're
00:39:44
not supposed to say. It's what pops into
00:39:46
your head
00:39:47
>> and uh to take that away and you we all
00:39:50
self censor now. Oh, I can't do that. I
00:39:52
won't do that. We'll cut that. You know,
00:39:54
just do you you're not even thinking
00:39:56
about but you are.
00:39:58
>> Well, I remember the sketch the Italian
00:39:59
restaurant sketch with Kirsty Alley
00:40:02
>> when you're the Mater D and you're just
00:40:04
like
00:40:05
basically mauling the guests, which I'm
00:40:08
half Italian, so I love that because
00:40:10
Italian restaurants really are actually
00:40:12
like that. They're very touchyfey. And
00:40:14
so he went for it. There's that one part
00:40:16
when the camera pans back and he's just
00:40:19
got Victoria Jackson with her legs up
00:40:21
and he's like
00:40:24
>> and then by the end of it they're just
00:40:25
like licking the face and doing all
00:40:27
that. I don't even know if I'm not even
00:40:29
positive that would fly now.
00:40:31
>> I don't know. I just don't know. It's
00:40:33
like right on the line.
00:40:34
>> But what I would tell people who have
00:40:35
seen it are offended whatever is I ask
00:40:38
Kirsty Ally, can I are you okay with
00:40:41
this?
00:40:41
>> Yeah. She's amazing in it. Like she lets
00:40:43
everything go. Yeah.
00:40:44
>> Some people are there to say whatever.
00:40:46
We let's do anything you want to me and
00:40:48
whatever's the funniest and they trust
00:40:49
you and then it's way funnier than the
00:40:51
people that are stiff and worried about
00:40:53
it. That's the best.
00:40:54
>> And we did it in dress where I go over
00:40:56
to the table and Victoria goes back. I
00:40:58
have her legs up around my shoulders and
00:41:00
I'm talking to everyone sort of and then
00:41:02
apparently the censorship people said,
00:41:04
"Hey, chill out a little bit." But
00:41:07
somehow Smiggle pretended to or Rob
00:41:10
Schneider, I can't remember, pretended
00:41:11
to try to get to me before that. But
00:41:13
that was probably once I was in that
00:41:15
position in 8H, I go
00:41:17
>> one of the biggest laughs I've ever been
00:41:20
been part of was that. But the honor to
00:41:23
be associated to your point, couldn't do
00:41:24
it today. We're going to have
00:41:26
>> I don't know if we had her already.
00:41:28
Sharon Stone,
00:41:29
>> there's a sketch that has 16 million on
00:41:32
YouTube where we are sort of augling
00:41:35
her. She's going through airport
00:41:36
security. Oh, look. And I'm playing a
00:41:39
man from Indonesia or something. Oh,
00:41:41
look. Oh, can we take And she We're
00:41:44
taking her clothes. I I I don't know if
00:41:46
we'll talk about it with her or whether
00:41:48
you are after her, but um you know when
00:41:50
I remember when I did the Pod of a
00:41:52
Spade, we talk about SNL. The thing that
00:41:53
I always feel like it doesn't get enough
00:41:55
credit for it catches somebody a lot of
00:41:59
times at the absolute most famous they
00:42:01
ever were any at whatever point in their
00:42:03
career.
00:42:04
with the guest host, right? She had
00:42:06
Sharon Stone on probably like right
00:42:08
after Basic Instake or right before and
00:42:10
she's
00:42:11
>> the most white hot famous
00:42:13
>> she's ever gonna be like right there,
00:42:15
right in that moment. And that's why
00:42:16
it's so it's so funny to see some of the
00:42:18
social media accounts that are around
00:42:20
SNL, right? about like they have the
00:42:22
ones of just there's a there's a Twitter
00:42:24
account of just a guest host announcing
00:42:26
the musical guest
00:42:27
>> and sometimes it's really funny because
00:42:28
they could be like there's Steven Seagal
00:42:30
you know introducing smashing pumpkins
00:42:33
and it's like
00:42:34
>> it's like pop culture mad libs you know
00:42:37
that like uh
00:42:38
>> there's one Amelia West like saying good
00:42:40
night and it's Pearl Jam and it's like
00:42:42
super young Eddie Veter and it's like
00:42:44
all right thanks to Eddie and Pearl Jam
00:42:46
and
00:42:46
>> there's no other pop culture artifact
00:42:49
like that
00:42:50
>> you Someone dug up, Bill, uh which I saw
00:42:52
might have been on Twitter was
00:42:55
uh just rolling at promos, which I
00:42:58
didn't know they were rolling when I was
00:42:59
there because they're just rolling and
00:43:01
then they're like and I used to write
00:43:03
promos. So,
00:43:04
>> yeah,
00:43:04
>> it's me, Amelio, Eddie Veter, Lauren
00:43:09
talking and then going okay and then
00:43:11
just all the talk in between. I would
00:43:13
say this, I'd hit this. We step out of
00:43:15
frame, they try one. Hey, it's Ailio
00:43:17
Estz and Pearl J. And then we all walk
00:43:19
back into frame and go, "How'd it go? We
00:43:21
were a second too long." Okay, take this
00:43:23
word out. It's riveting for me to go
00:43:25
like, "There's me." It's almost like
00:43:27
watching that Beatles thing where you
00:43:28
go, "There's something I didn't know
00:43:30
about and they're filming and it just a
00:43:33
little sliver of time in one of my
00:43:36
favorite things in the world and just
00:43:38
doing it and just my daily the boring
00:43:41
daily grind of that place and you go so
00:43:43
[ __ ] cool." Well, for both of you,
00:43:45
it's like all that stuff must be like
00:43:47
these random home movies that are in
00:43:49
your attic, but meanwhile like 20
00:43:51
million people have seen them and then
00:43:54
>> dress rehearsal and stuff. We never saw
00:43:56
dress on video where we or they have it
00:43:58
somewhere because now they're showing
00:44:00
clips from SNL from dress and they're
00:44:01
showing this and they have a million
00:44:02
things backstage and some of the mystery
00:44:04
is gone. But, uh, it was fun to just run
00:44:07
around backstage. There's no security.
00:44:09
There's no nothing. There's no there's
00:44:11
people in the hall drunk and friends of
00:44:12
friends that are there and Phil
00:44:14
Hartman's going move the [ __ ] out of the
00:44:15
way because he's got 90 seconds to get
00:44:18
to his quick change of back and people
00:44:19
are drunk go hey man like I'm at the
00:44:21
show but now I think they've got a
00:44:24
little more dialed in but that was part
00:44:25
of the fun of it.
00:44:26
>> It's a you know it's there's a sur
00:44:28
reality to it. I always tell people it's
00:44:30
a little bit like going back you to your
00:44:32
high school on a Sunday afternoon when
00:44:35
no one's around and just walking around
00:44:36
the halls whatever that feeling is. So
00:44:39
when I'm there in the 17th floor and
00:44:41
I'll be walking along and I'll see me
00:44:43
and Phil in a sketch or picture David or
00:44:46
it's it's it's heady stuff because
00:44:48
experientially it's it is the most
00:44:51
intense part of one's life or or right
00:44:53
up there you know.
00:44:54
>> Yeah,
00:44:55
>> because of the livveness of it and the
00:44:57
legacy of it. That's why I think of cast
00:44:59
members who joined this year. You know,
00:45:02
I was lucky, but I had Eddie and Billy
00:45:04
Crystal, Mark Short, that those guys and
00:45:07
then also the original cast, which is
00:45:08
like Mount Rushmore for all of us, you
00:45:10
know.
00:45:11
>> Um,
00:45:12
>> but when you when you showed up, the
00:45:13
show was in trouble cuz it felt like
00:45:16
that transition year after the Billy
00:45:18
Crystal uh that Martin Short and
00:45:21
Christopher Guest that year and then
00:45:23
Lauren came back. He had this young cast
00:45:26
and only a couple of them ended up
00:45:27
staying I think for the second year. But
00:45:30
then you showed up and Hartman showed up
00:45:31
and all of a sudden the show was the
00:45:34
show was amazing again. Um but could you
00:45:36
feel like
00:45:37
>> did it feel like that was a make or
00:45:39
break year? Now I feel like I'm
00:45:40
interviewing you. Did that feel like a
00:45:41
make or break year for the for the cast
00:45:43
or did you not even sense that?
00:45:45
>> Well, unless I've misremembered this but
00:45:47
Diana Minard who was Lauren's lieutenant
00:45:50
producer, really nice woman. I believe
00:45:52
are saying I I was told that we had a 10
00:45:55
show commitment um that Bernie 10 shows
00:45:59
>> Bernie Burlstein went to Brandon
00:46:00
Tardikoff I think and just said you got
00:46:03
to give Lauren one more shot this I
00:46:05
remember so I was told this if we don't
00:46:07
hit the ground running they're going to
00:46:09
pull the plug at Christmas.
00:46:12
So, uh, incredibly nervous. Anyway, and
00:46:15
the first sketch that I did, Madonna
00:46:17
came on for my first show and apologized
00:46:19
for the 85 season. That was our cold
00:46:21
open.
00:46:22
>> Yeah.
00:46:22
>> And then I'm in a sketch with Jan Hooks
00:46:26
and Phil and myself. And uh I just found
00:46:29
out recently I was talking to Robert
00:46:31
Smeaggel and and Jim Downey Jim Downey
00:46:34
and they just said that the audience
00:46:36
felt safe with us and at that moment
00:46:39
because you don't want the audience to
00:46:41
feel nervous for you or not quite sure
00:46:44
where the joke's going, you know, you
00:46:47
want to get them relaxed. So, uh to come
00:46:49
in with them and do that was great. And
00:46:50
then when David showed up and Chris
00:46:53
Rock, Chris Farley, Sandler, I felt like
00:46:56
in those years we were peak peak all
00:46:59
cylinders for for us because we had
00:47:02
>> the bad the bad boys kicking ass. And
00:47:05
then we also still had Phil and John
00:47:07
Loveitz for a year and Dennis and stuff.
00:47:09
So that was
00:47:10
>> I mean that was that was the second peak
00:47:12
of the show. I feel like the show is in
00:47:14
danger in my lifetime three times. The
00:47:17
first was okay
00:47:19
>> after the original cast left that Gene
00:47:22
Dominion year that you talked about a
00:47:23
little with Piscopo but um it really
00:47:25
felt like the if Eddie if Eddie isn't
00:47:28
there the show gets canceled like that's
00:47:29
just
00:47:29
>> Was that the Robert Downey Anthony
00:47:31
Mahal?
00:47:31
>> No
00:47:33
that was the next one was the the uh so
00:47:36
that was season six
00:47:38
>> pisto
00:47:40
they end up keeping but if they don't
00:47:42
have Eddie I think the show gets canled.
00:47:43
Yeah,
00:47:44
>> I think if the Dana Phil Hartman that
00:47:46
first season doesn't work,
00:47:48
>> I think the show gets cancelled. And it
00:47:50
really feels like if if the Will Frell
00:47:53
that season if Frell's not on the show
00:47:56
and the new blood and the people they
00:47:57
kept, but then the new people they
00:47:58
brought in that season didn't work. I do
00:48:01
wonder if they would have canceled it
00:48:02
that year because that I remember that
00:48:04
>> that was back in the day when those
00:48:06
magazine profiles if it was the right
00:48:08
kind of hit piece really felt like
00:48:10
incredibly damaging and that I remember
00:48:11
reading that New York magazine piece and
00:48:13
being like oh my god the show's going to
00:48:15
get cancelled and then that first
00:48:17
episode with Will he showed up he did
00:48:18
get off the shed
00:48:20
>> he did the the phone thing with mel
00:48:22
Hemingway and it was just like oh we're
00:48:24
good this this guy's amazing the show's
00:48:26
going to be good again. Um but I after
00:48:29
that I never felt like SNO was in danger
00:48:31
again after that.
00:48:33
>> Where do you feel what how now that you
00:48:36
are sort of an expert? What do you feel
00:48:38
about this season and this cast
00:48:41
>> and the new watch as much anymore? No.
00:48:44
>> I watch uh I still watch I still monitor
00:48:47
it. Um I I think they've made the
00:48:51
mistake the last decade of too many cast
00:48:53
members, which I think you can always
00:48:55
trace when the show is struggling.
00:48:57
>> Yeah.
00:48:58
>> It's when the show is always humming,
00:49:00
it's always smaller cast members. And
00:49:02
I've talked about a bunch of people
00:49:05
about this who've worked on the cast.
00:49:06
Like
00:49:07
>> it's like a basketball team. If you if
00:49:09
you guys watch basketball, like
00:49:11
>> I do. If you're playing 14 players
00:49:14
and everybody's playing, you know, 12 to
00:49:16
18 minutes a game, guess what? The
00:49:18
team's going to suck. But if you're if
00:49:20
you figure out who like your seven or
00:49:22
eight are and you ride those seven or
00:49:24
eight, the team's going to be really
00:49:25
good. And I always felt like SNL at its
00:49:28
best always had the eight or nine. I I I
00:49:31
went to Lauren's office like 10 years
00:49:32
ago and I got to do
00:49:34
>> a podcast with him, which was amazing. I
00:49:36
mean, it was like honestly one of the
00:49:37
highlights of my career. And I was
00:49:38
giving him my basketball theory and his
00:49:40
answer was, "Yeah, but the new cast
00:49:44
members, that's kind of like the draft."
00:49:47
And you, it takes so a couple years for
00:49:50
the new cast membersh.
00:49:52
Yeah. And you got to have those guys
00:49:54
ready and that's why we have the deeper
00:49:56
cast.
00:49:57
>> I get it, but I still feel like it
00:49:58
should be eight or nine max.
00:50:00
>> I It would have been tough on me. I just
00:50:02
I happened to be in like four things on
00:50:05
the on my first episode. I didn't even
00:50:06
know what I was doing. But it it's sink
00:50:09
or swim. If you're slow motion, it's
00:50:12
kind of like if you don't like when when
00:50:13
an NBA player gets traded
00:50:16
>> and he and then he comes in with a new
00:50:18
team with a new system and he gets into
00:50:20
his rhythm.
00:50:21
>> He's fits with the system, all of a
00:50:22
sudden he's scoring 20 points. He's a
00:50:24
different basketball player. But if you
00:50:26
coming off the bench constantly and the
00:50:27
offense isn't running through you, the
00:50:29
same thing with SNL. If you can't get
00:50:31
your reps in and get rid of the fear,
00:50:34
not all of us are Eddie Murphy, who I
00:50:36
thought was a a savant, you know, at 19,
00:50:38
but mo even will f everybody gets better
00:50:41
the more they're out there and then the
00:50:43
audience also discovers you, gets
00:50:45
comfortable with you. So I I it's it's
00:50:47
it's pick your poison. I don't think you
00:50:50
know I Lauren, you know, it's his show.
00:50:52
He's 50 years. He he has a method to
00:50:54
what everything he thinks of everything.
00:50:56
So I guess this is um how it how it
00:51:00
works. you get to be on the show, but
00:51:01
you may have we we didn't have anyone
00:51:04
not in the show. When I was there, it
00:51:05
was seven cast members,
00:51:07
>> right?
00:51:07
>> So, everybody was in every show, but now
00:51:09
a lot of times, oh, I wasn't in it for
00:51:10
two weeks.
00:51:11
>> It's like survivor. Yeah. Because
00:51:12
there's people that just if you don't
00:51:14
make it and then and then they sometimes
00:51:16
add but don't subtract. So, now you add
00:51:20
this person because you got to cover
00:51:21
like a leading man type. You know, they
00:51:23
there's sometimes there's types. I never
00:51:25
got that back then, but sometimes you
00:51:27
need to fill a Phil Hartman role.
00:51:28
sometimes you need to fill this kind of
00:51:30
guy and and then um if you don't do or
00:51:34
just adding now suddenly it's just too
00:51:35
many to keep track of. It's just hard
00:51:37
for them. They go bananas but then if
00:51:39
they leave where do you go? I remember I
00:51:41
was going to leave a year earlier and
00:51:42
then they're like what do we have lined
00:51:44
up because it's always easier to get
00:51:46
work when you're on SNL and then
00:51:48
>> right
00:51:48
>> had a movie almost every summer and then
00:51:51
uh you leave and luckily got on just
00:51:54
shoot me but that that that doesn't
00:51:55
always happen so what do you do when you
00:51:57
go and so you just sometimes just stick
00:51:59
it out and there's people there sticking
00:52:01
out longer than we used to I stayed six
00:52:03
years and that was considered a hair
00:52:05
long um Sandler uh Farley Rock was three
00:52:10
Sandler for like were four or five. No,
00:52:12
five. So, I stayed one year too long and
00:52:14
I was like the [ __ ] guy that went to
00:52:16
college that came back to high school
00:52:17
cuz it was Will and Sher and I was like
00:52:19
I like them but I didn't I immediately
00:52:22
felt like oh no all my guys are gone and
00:52:24
I don't know what to do with this. I
00:52:26
don't and so I just did one Lauren goes
00:52:28
stay and you can do one segment a week
00:52:30
do whatever you want and I didn't do
00:52:31
sketches. I just did one segment a week
00:52:34
of whatever I wanted and that was like
00:52:35
my own kind of update. So that was where
00:52:38
the Terry Hatcher thing was. Sean Penn
00:52:40
gave me a tattoo.
00:52:40
>> I thought that really worked. Yeah, I
00:52:42
>> it was fun. It's funny, but you have one
00:52:44
swing to get it right. I went to the
00:52:46
World Series, did a field piece to the
00:52:48
Braves with Chipper Jones and some
00:52:50
people. So, you know, some of those came
00:52:51
out pretty funny, but after that I said,
00:52:54
"No, I think it's time to boogie." And
00:52:57
uh and then I forgot where this question
00:53:00
started.
00:53:00
>> Well, I mean, part of it is about how
00:53:02
you build the cast, right? And
00:53:03
>> yeah,
00:53:04
>> everyone says the same thing. You have
00:53:06
to have that one glue person.
00:53:08
>> Mhm. You know, and then you could argue
00:53:10
about who the greatest glue person was.
00:53:11
It's probably Phil.
00:53:13
>> Philoid.
00:53:15
Yeah. Acrod's in there. I think there
00:53:17
was a moment where Sudakus and Hater
00:53:19
together
00:53:21
>> were like just literally covering every
00:53:23
possible glue thing you would ever want.
00:53:25
>> And and Fred Fred Armson too,
00:53:28
>> right?
00:53:28
>> Those three, it's always amazing that we
00:53:31
get these new peaks after Will Ferrell.
00:53:33
And then um we asked um Keenan Thompson,
00:53:38
who's your MVP or whatever and he said
00:53:41
the women of the last 20 years.
00:53:43
>> Yeah.
00:53:44
>> And I do think there were complaints
00:53:45
about misogyny in terms of casting and
00:53:48
Norah Dunn had some complaints about it.
00:53:52
Um and boy, starting with I don't know
00:53:54
Sherio Terry through Tina and I I'll
00:53:56
miss all the name. Maya and and Amy
00:54:00
Polar, you know, it's just Kristen and
00:54:02
then and then Kate
00:54:04
>> and um
00:54:05
>> Yeah, but you know what though? I I
00:54:07
thought that was totally fair because I
00:54:09
always felt like Jan Hooks was one of
00:54:10
the best cast members of that entire
00:54:12
generation ever.
00:54:13
>> And she and they're always like, "Oh, it
00:54:15
wasn't until this when" and it was like,
00:54:16
"Man,
00:54:18
>> I I thought
00:54:19
>> it's taking it away from her a little
00:54:20
bit because she was
00:54:21
>> I thought I I mean to to me she's in the
00:54:24
running of one of the best female cast
00:54:26
members in the history of the show."
00:54:27
>> Yeah. And
00:54:28
>> I think she's in the top five.
00:54:30
>> Yeah. A male you would women were not
00:54:32
running for president. I mean Sarah
00:54:34
Palin came on the scene and there was
00:54:37
Tina Fey meeting that in in the era I
00:54:40
was in it was mostly men politically.
00:54:43
There were other figures but so that
00:54:45
sort of evolved as well. Obviously,
00:54:47
Hillary became a big a big thing, but um
00:54:50
yeah, Jan Jan Hooks, I don't know if I
00:54:53
wouldn't call her underrated because
00:54:55
everybody knows, but if you really take
00:54:56
a deep dive into into her work, she was
00:55:00
one of those what can't she do? You
00:55:03
know,
00:55:09
>> Bill, who's your who's your starting
00:55:10
five if you took out the original casts?
00:55:12
That's that's they're too good. They
00:55:14
don't count.
00:55:14
>> And take us out. Yeah.
00:55:18
>> He's like, "You don't have to worry
00:55:19
about that."
00:55:20
>> Yeah.
00:55:22
Dana's got a real Mount Rush. He's got a
00:55:24
legitimate Mount Rushmore. He really
00:55:26
does.
00:55:26
>> He's got I really have to say I'll give
00:55:28
it to Dana.
00:55:29
>> Uh, okay. Take Dana out.
00:55:31
>> I get people who think I um I'm just I'm
00:55:35
an impressionist like Rich Little when I
00:55:38
meet him at airports and stuff. You did
00:55:39
the best impressionist. And I go, "Well,
00:55:42
but what about Church Lady and Gar?" and
00:55:44
they go, "Oh, that's kind of
00:55:46
flattering." Okay, go ahead.
00:55:48
>> I think uh I think Hartman and Eddie and
00:55:53
um
00:55:54
>> Frell
00:55:55
>> Yeah.
00:55:56
>> just all the all the different stuff
00:55:58
they could do.
00:56:00
>> They just had it like it's almost like
00:56:03
instead of just naming five, it's almost
00:56:05
like who can't be left out.
00:56:07
>> And I think you have to mention those
00:56:09
three and you have to mention Dana.
00:56:11
>> Um
00:56:12
>> you have to mention Dana. I have.
00:56:15
>> And if you're if you're pulling the
00:56:16
original, if you're if you're saying
00:56:18
that's off limits, that's tough for me
00:56:19
because I think Gilda was the best
00:56:21
female cast member they ever had.
00:56:24
>> And it's not a popular opinion because
00:56:26
it was 100 million years ago and people
00:56:27
barely remember it. But man, if you go
00:56:29
back and you look at all the stuff she
00:56:31
did, she was so good, so talented, so
00:56:34
famous that she had her own Broadway
00:56:36
show. Like,
00:56:37
>> how many cast members in the history of
00:56:39
SNO could be like, "You're so good at
00:56:41
this. We're gonna have a show called
00:56:42
Gilda Live and you're gonna do all your
00:56:44
characters. It's like impossible.
00:56:46
>> I'm not gonna fight young Gilda. Yeah. I
00:56:48
I mean Gilda I mean all these girls the
00:56:50
women today will probably be like
00:56:53
>> they looked up to Gilda. I'm sure like
00:56:55
we looked up to different
00:56:57
>> I looked up to Gilda too. I mean I would
00:56:58
watch her and I didn't realize how hard
00:57:00
what she was doing was. I would see
00:57:01
characters and just think that was the
00:57:03
people and then later go oh they're
00:57:05
doing different I don't know what was
00:57:06
going on. You know,
00:57:08
>> I actually thought of the last 20 years,
00:57:10
I thought Maya Rudolph
00:57:12
>> was the was the my favorite female cast
00:57:14
member. Um, I thought she could do the
00:57:16
most. I thought I just thought she was
00:57:18
incredibly talented. I know she's she
00:57:20
has like four or five kids. Like I like
00:57:22
she's definitely gone the family
00:57:23
direction a little bit, but
00:57:25
>> Oh, yeah.
00:57:25
>> I think she was like I I just thought
00:57:28
like she was one of those she could
00:57:29
literally do anything. Well, it's almost
00:57:31
like you could make three three or four
00:57:33
packs for people like just Maya.
00:57:36
>> You could do top 20. You could do top
00:57:38
>> and then and then you have Armison and
00:57:39
Sedakus and and Bill her maybe the best,
00:57:42
you know. So, it's it's it's just a it's
00:57:44
a fun game. It's a way to celebrate the
00:57:46
show. For me, my thought about Gilda is
00:57:48
the charisma and the likability was was
00:57:52
at the the highest I'd ever seen of any
00:57:55
cast member. I mean, there was an
00:57:57
adorability thing about her. She's
00:58:00
playing a little girl on a bed. It's an
00:58:02
in just herself. She's so committed. It
00:58:04
just there was just this uh kind of
00:58:06
other level of of likability or
00:58:09
adorability, whatever quotient you want
00:58:11
to call it.
00:58:12
>> Who do you have as your number one I
00:58:14
maybe you're too close to this and can't
00:58:15
answer, but number one weekend update.
00:58:19
>> Well, I have to uh bifurcate them in a
00:58:22
way like
00:58:22
>> Yeah. like Chvy was the original and so
00:58:25
when I'm watching that show um he was
00:58:29
just no wonder he he's a movie star you
00:58:31
know he's like he was
00:58:32
>> such a good vibe to watch Chvy yeah
00:58:34
everything was funny everything was
00:58:35
exciting it was fun to watch
00:58:36
>> Dennis Dennis did six years solo that's
00:58:39
why I don't you know when you had Tina
00:58:41
and and Jimmy Fallon stuff this is a
00:58:43
different kind of idea I do think the
00:58:46
current two uh Michael and Colin I have
00:58:50
a great chemistry they're they're
00:58:51
getting even better and looser. They're
00:58:53
tricking each other. So, I think they're
00:58:55
really as good as it gets.
00:58:58
>> So, but for a solo, you know, night
00:59:00
after night, I've never been around. And
00:59:02
David would, you know, Dennis is just
00:59:05
such a brilliant joke writer.
00:59:07
>> Um, and he's a machine.
00:59:10
>> But, so I would put him up there as the
00:59:12
solo. I mean, Norm Norm only did two
00:59:15
years, you know, it's different, right?
00:59:17
Was two years. Norm also had a a thing
00:59:21
you couldn't take your eyes off of him,
00:59:23
you know, when he was doing Update. That
00:59:26
smile, the dimples. I mean, he was like
00:59:27
he looked like a movie star. He never
00:59:29
played into it, but he looked like a
00:59:30
full-blown movie star,
00:59:32
>> especially in that era.
00:59:34
>> And then the the turns that his jokes
00:59:36
would take. I don't know what do you
00:59:38
call it, David? That style of his like
00:59:41
OJ's not doing too well because he kills
00:59:44
people or whatever it was, you know,
00:59:46
>> the pauses. Yeah.
00:59:48
>> Pauses and like this really bold turn.
00:59:51
So he's
00:59:52
>> it's fun to talk.
00:59:53
>> Michael Jackson says he'll never get
00:59:54
married mostly because he's gay. Yeah.
00:59:57
>> It's like and then but they let him do
00:59:59
it and then it's just hard to compete
01:00:02
with that because that's just in a world
01:00:05
of you weren't cancelling people. He
01:00:07
would have been cancelled. I mean there
01:00:08
there's so many things he said and then
01:00:10
he doesn't his stand up
01:00:12
people.
01:00:12
>> I maybe he might have been uncared. No,
01:00:15
no, he doesn't care. A and even later in
01:00:18
his career, he would just do gigs and
01:00:20
people come, they know what they're
01:00:21
getting. So,
01:00:22
>> but yeah, to Can I just talk to that for
01:00:24
a second? Cuz Norm's um I he wasn't
01:00:28
stoned, but he his eyes were all sparkly
01:00:30
and he had a grin on his face. I saw him
01:00:32
go on the View once with Barbara Walters
01:00:35
and everyone and they're just talking
01:00:37
about presidents or something and he
01:00:39
gets into a casual thing just soft
01:00:41
selling it with that grin of his. Yeah,
01:00:43
with the Clintons, right? I mean, you
01:00:45
know, they uh they're good. I think I
01:00:47
like them, but uh I I think they they
01:00:49
kill they kill the guy, right? You know,
01:00:52
>> they kill too many people. That's what
01:00:54
>> And Barbara Walters didn't under didn't
01:00:56
know who he was. It was just a comedian
01:00:58
getting booked.
01:00:58
>> What are you wait what?
01:01:00
>> What are you saying? I think any great,
01:01:03
right? But so his soft pedaling, he was
01:01:06
almost like a country
01:01:08
>> guy out in the out in the town square or
01:01:11
something. So you you they never landed
01:01:14
hard in like a a way with Norm. That was
01:01:17
also part of his
01:01:19
>> I thought Dennis was the best.
01:01:22
But Norm Norm was my favorite.
01:01:25
>> Okay. I don't know. I just felt like I
01:01:28
didn't know if everyone was in on Norm.
01:01:29
I didn't know anything. I'm living in
01:01:31
Boston. We don't have the internet yet.
01:01:32
I don't know how popular it is. But I
01:01:34
just knew like me and my friends, we
01:01:36
were like
01:01:37
>> this guy's probably getting fired soon.
01:01:38
Let's just enjoy this for the for the 10
01:01:41
to 20 weeks this is.
01:01:46
>> Did Did he originate fake news or was
01:01:48
that someone else?
01:01:49
>> Did Norm say and has the fake news?
01:01:52
>> Yeah, I think he did.
01:01:53
>> Yeah, he also he did the note to self.
01:01:55
Another interesting argument that people
01:01:58
always have the same SNL arguments.
01:01:59
Nobody has the
01:02:01
>> who are the best five people to just pop
01:02:03
next to the weekend update guy for four
01:02:05
minutes. Oh, for bits
01:02:07
>> combo. Cuz that was Belushi.
01:02:10
Like that was one of the things he
01:02:12
didn't get enough credit for when he
01:02:13
would come in and he would do different
01:02:15
things, but he would do the guy that got
01:02:16
me. I can't
01:02:17
>> he would do the one where he would just
01:02:18
get super mad and end up with the
01:02:20
button. No, and then he'd go flying off
01:02:22
the stage. Like I feel like he was the
01:02:23
first one that was like crazy
01:02:25
>> throwing his body.
01:02:26
>> Eddie was Eddie was unbelievable. Eddie
01:02:29
became famous.
01:02:30
>> And then Sandler probably hit the
01:02:32
hardest of anybody.
01:02:33
>> Yeah. because he could do the
01:02:35
characters, he could do the songs. Like
01:02:37
when he did the the first time he did
01:02:39
the Hanukkah song, like you go back and
01:02:41
watch that clip, like people lose their
01:02:43
[ __ ] minds. Like it's like he's
01:02:45
Leonard Skard Freeird.
01:02:47
>> He's a professional singer. It's unreal.
01:02:49
Along with Joe, which is very rare, and
01:02:51
he's cute.
01:02:53
>> And then uh I remember when he did Crazy
01:02:55
Spoon Head. He did all the uh Halloween
01:02:57
things killing.
01:02:58
>> Yeah. And just just commitment. I mean,
01:03:00
Adam has that whatever whatever he has,
01:03:03
he's got it. You know, he super super
01:03:05
likable charm.
01:03:07
>> Yeah. And hater, I think, is up there,
01:03:08
too, for just popping on. Kate McKinnon
01:03:10
was really good at it. Just coming on,
01:03:12
playing some crazy character.
01:03:14
>> But it is like its own little skill set
01:03:16
because you It's like you're a
01:03:17
basketball player. You're just coming
01:03:18
in. You have to make like five threes in
01:03:20
two minutes to get out of the game.
01:03:22
>> Yeah. You did a I mean, that's how you
01:03:24
broke in, right? With uh sit next to
01:03:26
>> I think I was doing like little
01:03:28
Hollywood minutes. Oh, that's what
01:03:30
that's all that was. Yeah, I guess I
01:03:31
would come in and do those. But even if
01:03:33
I did anything I talked about going to
01:03:35
concerts or whatever, you're sitting on
01:03:36
a desk in the dark and you're like and
01:03:39
you know it's coming to you which joke
01:03:40
and then you slide in and the Q cards
01:03:43
they point and they go like you're up
01:03:44
after this one and you're like because
01:03:47
you're in the dark and no one's really
01:03:48
looking at you and you slide over and
01:03:50
then there's 20 million people like they
01:03:52
see you and even when you walk by you go
01:03:54
I can just run in front of that camera
01:03:56
right now,
01:03:57
>> right?
01:03:57
>> I guess that's a trust issue. It is like
01:03:58
a rodeo a rodeo thing because I remember
01:04:00
one time you're in you're in you're on
01:04:03
deck and you're in the darkness and the
01:04:05
show's all lit up and there's laughs and
01:04:08
ra and I think it was Chris Rock was
01:04:10
before me or something. So I see his
01:04:12
hair, his chairs rolls out and he does
01:04:15
his thing. Then I'm in the shoot and it
01:04:17
is you have to go from just darkness and
01:04:19
crew guys around you to being on, you
01:04:22
know. So there's there is that. Dana,
01:04:24
what about when you do you do a good one
01:04:26
and it kills and then you kind of scoot
01:04:27
yourself and then Piscapo uh I mean uh
01:04:30
Joe Dixo pulls you off or whoever and
01:04:33
then you're in the uh dark and you're
01:04:35
just walking behind like a Gap Girl set
01:04:37
and no one's even looking at you and
01:04:38
you're like your adrenaline's going but
01:04:40
the show's still going over here and you
01:04:42
sort of walk back to the underneath to
01:04:45
maybe snag a few compliments from Lauren
01:04:48
and the producers watching
01:04:50
>> some of the audience members and they
01:04:51
avoid eye contact
01:04:52
>> and then you go back and where it's lit
01:04:54
by your dressing room to change and
01:04:55
you're like anybody did it go good did
01:04:57
it go bad like
01:04:58
>> another good category is the the Mount
01:05:02
Rushmore or whatever of people who
01:05:04
weren't even the focal point of the
01:05:05
sketch but somehow were still the
01:05:06
funniest person in the sketch
01:05:08
>> which is like to me Chris Farley's
01:05:10
number one
01:05:11
>> um
01:05:11
>> oh yeah has to
01:05:12
>> like he's in the dysfunctional family
01:05:14
feud
01:05:16
>> he's he's just like the loser kid who
01:05:18
Harman's being mean to and he's probably
01:05:21
like the fifth most important but every
01:05:23
single thing he does in the thing is
01:05:24
hilarious. Um,
01:05:25
>> and then at the end he runs out and
01:05:27
starts kicking to the left and right. I
01:05:29
just saw that the other day. I go, "What
01:05:30
a moron." I remember walking at
01:05:33
rehearsal. I go, "You're not really
01:05:34
doing that." He goes, "Oh, yeah.
01:05:36
>> You were on the other side. You were in
01:05:38
the normal family."
01:05:38
>> Yeah. I watch him. Yeah. We were I think
01:05:40
we were the normal family, right?
01:05:41
>> He Chris was there was so much in
01:05:44
intellect behind all that. You knew him
01:05:46
much better than I did, David. But his
01:05:48
rhythms and sounds and moves that he
01:05:50
would, you know, like I mean it just
01:05:53
they were so concise and you could not
01:05:56
not laugh. Like when he would do his
01:05:57
kind of fake laugh like he would turn
01:05:59
into a hog, you know, just around the
01:06:02
office,
01:06:03
>> you like this is irresistibly funny. But
01:06:06
yeah, he he was your eye went to him.
01:06:08
Anything he was in, I once did Ross
01:06:10
Perau riding him like he was a piggy.
01:06:12
Come on, piggy boy. Let's go, piggy boy.
01:06:14
And I was going, Chris, is this okay
01:06:16
with you? And he goes, "Oh yeah, do
01:06:17
whatever you want." You know, I'm
01:06:18
whipping him and stuff.
01:06:20
>> I know other people get mad. You can't
01:06:22
do that to Chris. Chris wasn't mad. No,
01:06:23
no, do it. I'll do whatever you want. I
01:06:25
don't care. I think it's funny.
01:06:26
>> So,
01:06:27
>> you would never kill a bit.
01:06:29
>> So, we're headed for the 50th year.
01:06:31
>> Yeah.
01:06:32
>> Next year.
01:06:32
>> I know.
01:06:33
>> Yeah.
01:06:33
>> Which I think is really good for your
01:06:35
podcast because, you know, it's the fact
01:06:38
that the show's been around for a half
01:06:40
century is
01:06:41
>> What do they do, Bill? What does this
01:06:43
leave? Who takes over?
01:06:45
>> It's stunning. and bizarre. I can't even
01:06:48
fathom fathom it. 50th.
01:06:51
>> Um
01:06:53
I think I I'm guessing Lauren's going to
01:06:55
leave and I'm guessing somebody major
01:06:58
has to take over the show. Somebody with
01:07:00
real DNA with
01:07:01
>> someone NBC would approve. Everyone
01:07:03
would have to approve.
01:07:04
>> It's I I just feel like it's Tina. It's
01:07:06
Seth if he wants to do it.
01:07:08
>> And it's got to be somebody on that
01:07:10
level who has that kind of chops.
01:07:12
They're not just be like, "Hey, we hired
01:07:13
Bob. He's been a huge fan of the show.
01:07:15
he'll be taking over for Lord Michaels.
01:07:16
Like I I don't see that happening. I
01:07:18
feel like the person's got to have DNA.
01:07:20
>> Yeah, we brought him over from Hallmark
01:07:21
>> and they they would have to they would
01:07:23
be warned ahead of time that half the
01:07:25
time you're miserable. I mean, it's it's
01:07:27
a tough show. Not every show crushes.
01:07:30
There was just a lot of shows in my
01:07:32
where the party's a little grim and
01:07:34
didn't really land it that night, you
01:07:36
know, because that's why there's no
01:07:37
other sketch shows because the the ratio
01:07:40
of success to failure and a quick hit
01:07:42
sketch.
01:07:43
>> Yeah. But I I do think the fact that
01:07:45
it's live, they tried to take that away
01:07:47
in the 90s. He said, "Let's make it
01:07:48
taped and we got to change the theme."
01:07:50
And Lauren, to his credit, always
01:07:52
resisted.
01:07:54
>> Somehow he knew about branding
01:07:56
>> before maybe that was become such a
01:07:58
thing people talk about. Stuck with that
01:08:01
theme. Everything's familiar. And that's
01:08:03
why we can interview cast members. We
01:08:05
talked to Mikey Day yesterday,
01:08:07
>> right?
01:08:07
>> He's on today. And uh we know
01:08:09
everything. We told him that. We know
01:08:11
the offices you're in. We know Lauren's
01:08:13
there. It's still But Lauren might just
01:08:16
stay a few more years. I don't know. I
01:08:19
>> Yeah. Who knows? Like the Patriots are
01:08:20
going through this now. Bill Bichc
01:08:23
>> just left and they hired a new coach and
01:08:24
he's got a new coaching staff and
01:08:26
there's been a lot of stories about
01:08:28
>> whoa things are so different and oh the
01:08:31
coach talked to the media today and
01:08:33
>> oh my god they have this you know
01:08:35
they're changing this part of the office
01:08:37
and it's going to be this now and
01:08:38
everybody's like because Belich was
01:08:39
there for 20 plus years. Yeah. And just
01:08:42
any kind of change feels like the most
01:08:44
substantial change ever. So I can't even
01:08:47
imagine with SNO if somebody else came
01:08:48
in and was like, "Hey, I thought of an
01:08:50
idea. We're going to merge two offices
01:08:52
and make it one big." People like,
01:08:54
"What? You can't do that. That's it's
01:08:56
been that way for 50 years." I don't
01:08:58
know how you do that.
01:09:00
>> Maybe Tina and Seth could make one
01:09:02
Lauren. I don't know. I mean, they they
01:09:04
would Lauren is very good politically
01:09:07
with the the new regime as Universal,
01:09:10
whoever is or whoever the head of the
01:09:11
network. He's really good at doing that.
01:09:13
And how do you navigate all these cast
01:09:16
members um kind of Game of Throning each
01:09:20
other even even if they love each other,
01:09:22
it's still just your friend gets. So, I
01:09:24
don't know. It's really hard.
01:09:26
>> And Lauren knows all the celebrities,
01:09:27
too. So, Lauren can call someone and
01:09:30
say, "Maybe Steve Martin would be good
01:09:31
in this. let's call them
01:09:34
has to be able to be dialed in.
01:09:35
>> The new iteration of the show I don't
01:09:37
feel like should be celebrity dependent.
01:09:38
And I would go back to what the roots of
01:09:40
the show were and go to cast members and
01:09:43
a guest host but not be celebrity
01:09:45
dependent because
01:09:47
>> celebrity and pop culture is part of the
01:09:49
what they should be you know kind of
01:09:51
>> I felt that yeah and we talked about it
01:09:53
earlier uh yesterday when the podcast a
01:09:56
while back but yeah when a celebrity
01:09:58
would come in and then in my era someone
01:10:01
from the cast would do that impression I
01:10:04
just thought it was dispiriting you know
01:10:07
um for the Yes. And we had So I I do
01:10:11
think this I'm going to say it. The
01:10:13
secret sauce, one of them is is watching
01:10:15
a young performer come in, male, female,
01:10:17
watching them trundle along and then
01:10:20
become a star. You're you're in real
01:10:22
time. You're experiencing it with them.
01:10:24
And that is still the magic elixir of an
01:10:28
unknown person being thrown out there,
01:10:30
you know,
01:10:30
>> and you want those impressions to have
01:10:32
some bite and and you want to have some
01:10:35
edge to it. And it's just hard if
01:10:36
they're a friend of the show, friend of
01:10:38
the show. And so you got to stay away
01:10:39
from some people or you can't do this
01:10:41
politically.
01:10:41
>> Like you could argue they should be
01:10:43
having so much fun with Taylor Swift and
01:10:44
Travis Kelce, right? Like that should be
01:10:47
>> Think about if those people existed in
01:10:49
the late 70s or in the late 80s.
01:10:52
>> Sure.
01:10:53
>> That would have been fodder for the show
01:10:54
every week, but now I feel like they'd
01:10:56
be a little afraid because oh no, she
01:10:58
won't want to come back on if we make
01:10:59
fun of her.
01:11:00
>> And I like the other piece of it is
01:11:02
>> good point. Why is the show live at this
01:11:05
point if there's no danger that comes
01:11:08
with being live? Because, right, because
01:11:10
the reason, the whole reason they had
01:11:11
the show in the first place was this is
01:11:13
live. Anything can happen.
01:11:15
>> Any line might get crossed. Somebody
01:11:17
might
01:11:18
>> swear accidentally. All these crazy
01:11:19
things could happen.
01:11:20
>> Now it's like a safe live, which I don't
01:11:23
at this point like I don't know why you
01:11:24
just wouldn't tape the show at 8:00 and
01:11:26
air it at 11:30. It's not like, "Oh my
01:11:29
god, what's going to happen?" I don't Do
01:11:30
you feel like
01:11:32
50th?
01:11:33
>> Maybe.
01:11:34
>> Uh, it would be better. I mean, when you
01:11:36
can have two takes on something like on
01:11:37
a movie, you're definitely better. Some
01:11:39
sketches you come off on the wrong foot
01:11:41
and you're like, oh my god, we came in
01:11:42
wrong. And it's just not clicking. I
01:11:44
want to step back and go, let me just
01:11:46
come in again. And then you're like,
01:11:48
it's too late. It's not It's not
01:11:50
working. when when something uh like
01:11:52
when Ross Pro's running mate Adam
01:11:55
Admiral Stockdale came out and he was
01:11:58
kind of goofy and then like three days
01:12:00
later Phil's doing that and I'm doing
01:12:02
pro and we have the car and that was
01:12:04
just what the show does best when it
01:12:08
happens is the zygeist is all there and
01:12:10
and but now you've got to compete with
01:12:13
things like this everything and then you
01:12:15
hit it and it's this relief valve and
01:12:18
that's when the show is magic and I I
01:12:20
think in the modern era with all the
01:12:21
different people doing different kind of
01:12:24
comedy takes all the time, it is more
01:12:26
difficult, but that's still when it
01:12:28
happens, it's it's great. Great.
01:12:31
>> Well, it's going to be interesting when
01:12:32
Shane hosts at the end of this month.
01:12:34
Yeah.
01:12:34
>> You know,
01:12:34
>> why do why do you think so, Bill? What
01:12:36
do you think? You know,
01:12:38
>> I think there's going to be real danger,
01:12:40
you know, and it's like, holy [ __ ] I
01:12:41
don't know what's going to happen. And
01:12:42
that's a show I want to watch live.
01:12:45
That's more about him than the show. But
01:12:47
um you know and I also think he's one of
01:12:49
the funniest people working right now.
01:12:50
So
01:12:51
>> well we we mentioned that when we we
01:12:52
talked just casually that time the uh he
01:12:55
he's the guy right now you know and uh
01:12:58
he his take it's it's just uh you you
01:13:02
just want to listen to him and going
01:13:04
back to the show and how he how he got
01:13:07
fired. That's that's an example of a
01:13:09
live show where you want to see it. Like
01:13:12
how is how are they going to handle it
01:13:14
the show and how is Shane going to
01:13:16
handle it? So, I'm sure they're thinking
01:13:18
about different things, but usually when
01:13:20
the show's at its best, it's going to go
01:13:23
right at it, you know, like maybe him
01:13:25
and Bow and Yang will be in a rowboat
01:13:27
somewhere. I don't know. But they
01:13:28
usually go right at it, right? You know,
01:13:36
>> Bill, I have a uh Don't get mad. I have
01:13:38
a sports question.
01:13:39
>> Yeah, let's go.
01:13:41
>> Don't get mad. I know how you I know
01:13:42
your temper. Um my temper
01:13:45
>> because people ask me this. I'm kidding.
01:13:47
He is temper. Um is football allowed to
01:13:50
be rigged? I know people say is football
01:13:52
rigged, but then they also say it's
01:13:54
entertainment or NBA. Is that stuff
01:13:56
allowed to fudge and twist because it's
01:13:59
an entertainment
01:14:01
company instead of just sports? I don't
01:14:03
really get that.
01:14:04
>> Are you saying could the Super Bowl have
01:14:06
been scripted because Kansas City won
01:14:08
and they won in overtime and Taylor
01:14:10
Swift and her boyfriend kissed after the
01:14:12
game?
01:14:13
>> That's part of it and how beneicial
01:14:15
>> how beneficial that is. Or even I
01:14:18
thought I saw a thing with Shaquille. I
01:14:20
see basketball players sometimes online
01:14:21
saying, "Oh yeah, we're told the finals
01:14:23
will be this long and who who wins." And
01:14:25
Shaq saying when he got drafted, David
01:14:28
Stern said to him, "Where do you want to
01:14:30
play? Hot or cold?" And he said, "I want
01:14:31
to play somewhere hot." He goes, "Okay."
01:14:33
And then the day of the draft, he goes,
01:14:35
"It'll be Orlando." And then
01:14:37
>> he's saying this and he goes,
01:14:38
>> "That's a famous story." Yeah.
01:14:39
>> I mean, that's kind of weird. I never
01:14:41
heard that story. And I go, "Is that so
01:14:44
the are the ping pong balls really
01:14:45
bouncing around or you know, I don't
01:14:47
know. It it it makes me think all this
01:14:50
stuff and then the defense is we're an
01:14:52
entertainment company. We don't have to
01:14:54
play exactly by the rules. And you go,
01:14:55
"Oh, like a movie." Like we uh we have
01:14:58
to make it fun to watch.
01:15:00
>> Yeah. I don't I don't think they can rig
01:15:02
the games, but I used to write about
01:15:04
this all the time. I you know, it's same
01:15:06
thing like how you guys would do
01:15:08
impressions of people. I would always
01:15:09
play up certain things and have fun with
01:15:10
it. One of them was that David Stern,
01:15:13
the old NBA commissioner, was,
01:15:15
>> you know, this like basically veto
01:15:16
Corleó and rigging all this stuff.
01:15:18
>> And there was always this thing about
01:15:20
when Patrick went to the Knicks.
01:15:22
>> It was the first time they ever read the
01:15:24
lottery. There are seven envelopes
01:15:26
>> and he's reaching down and he grabs each
01:15:28
one and if you look briefly for like a
01:15:31
split split second, it looked like the
01:15:33
Knicks one had a little bit of a crease
01:15:34
on one of the sides.
01:15:36
>> Ah, I felt it. Then there was a theory
01:15:39
that they had frozen the envelope. So as
01:15:41
he's feeling the envelope that was
01:15:42
frozen that was the one he
01:15:45
>> and it was like you know whatever like
01:15:47
they just put it in like a carbon
01:15:49
whatever so it was like freezing cold
01:15:51
when he touched it so he knew that was
01:15:53
the one but that was always a a
01:15:56
recurring bit about him. Same thing when
01:15:58
when Jordan got suspended or when Jordan
01:16:01
retired there was always a thing. Oh no
01:16:03
actually Jordan got suspended for a
01:16:04
year. the Shaq thing, that was always a
01:16:07
story.
01:16:07
>> Um, there was stuff they did in the late
01:16:10
90s, early 2000s where
01:16:13
>> the perfect team for the league and the
01:16:15
ratings always seem to win and that like
01:16:17
most famously it was a Philly versus
01:16:19
Milwaukee, Allen Iverson, they're trying
01:16:21
to get him into the finals of 2001
01:16:23
playing Milwaukee and Philly shot like a
01:16:26
hundred more free throws than Milwaukee
01:16:27
in the series. Yeah,
01:16:29
>> there was the Kings Lakers game, which
01:16:30
I'm sure you guys remember, 2002, where
01:16:34
um if the Kings win game six, they win
01:16:35
the series. Everyone on the Kings fouled
01:16:37
out. So, you see stuff like that. I do
01:16:41
think they can kind of nudge the
01:16:42
officials to say, "Hey, man, we don't
01:16:45
like how, you know, Shaq is being
01:16:48
defended. When they do this, you got to
01:16:50
call it." And then they start calling it
01:16:52
early and the other team's like, "Wait,
01:16:53
we were doing that last game. That's a
01:16:54
foul now." Um
01:16:56
>> um but yeah, there's
01:16:58
>> conspiracy stuff.
01:16:59
>> Players that are spend their whole life
01:17:01
playing as hard as they can to get where
01:17:02
they it's just hard to buy. You're going
01:17:04
to tell players not to play hard. But
01:17:06
then you see like oh I you watch all
01:17:09
these like which I would never see a lot
01:17:11
of chiefs uh no holding calls and then
01:17:13
they just show over and over holding and
01:17:14
you go so I mean they the refs can't see
01:17:17
everywhere but sometimes if they want to
01:17:19
they can always find a hold somewhere
01:17:21
because it's kind
01:17:22
>> I mean that's the Patriots going 19 and0
01:17:24
in the helmet catch
01:17:26
>> or if you watch the helmet catch like
01:17:28
four guys are holding for Eli because he
01:17:29
buys like an extra four four seconds
01:17:32
>> and there's just holding all over.
01:17:33
people are just getting mauled and the
01:17:35
refs were like cool.
01:17:36
>> And that was the year we had spygate for
01:17:38
the Patriots and
01:17:40
>> you know the the commissioner's office
01:17:41
was against them. So the Patriots fans
01:17:43
have always felt like that game was
01:17:44
>> What's the What's the penalty rate per
01:17:47
game right now? Because seems like when
01:17:48
I watch the NFL there's an incredible
01:17:51
play and then I immediately go looking
01:17:53
for the flag
01:17:55
pop up.
01:17:56
>> Oh flag the best play I've ever seen.
01:17:58
So, I do think if you're going to rig uh
01:18:01
professional sports and you want to kind
01:18:02
of nudge it, that would be your way to
01:18:04
do it without getting caught.
01:18:06
>> That was when when gambling sports
01:18:08
gambling really took off the last 15
01:18:09
years. One of the first edges the best
01:18:11
gamblers had was the referee tendencies.
01:18:14
>> Yeah.
01:18:14
>> And this was in NBA and NFL specifically
01:18:17
where it's like, oh, this this team they
01:18:20
call more penalties and more penalties
01:18:22
means,
01:18:23
>> you know, this will happen. And that's
01:18:24
the same thing with NBA. If somebody's
01:18:25
more foul happy, then the over is going
01:18:28
to hit more. And now all that stuff's
01:18:30
kind of on the internet and people know
01:18:32
it. But when they assign g certain refs
01:18:34
to certain playoff games, then people
01:18:37
like, "Oh, of course they assign that
01:18:38
ref. He always calls it for the road
01:18:40
team." And so that stuff's out there. Um
01:18:43
I think it's fun. Some people take it
01:18:45
very seriously.
01:18:46
>> Well, when I'm losing millions every
01:18:48
week on DraftKings, it's
01:18:50
>> How' you think about it? How'd you do in
01:18:51
the playoffs? Spade.
01:18:53
Uh, in the PL I do DraftKings, but I
01:18:55
also do uh
01:18:56
>> FanDuel.
01:18:57
>> I get with some guys and do like uh
01:19:00
fantasy or guillotine leagues or weird
01:19:02
stuff like that just to keep the fun
01:19:04
going up until the end. And uh I do okay
01:19:07
in those. I'm not that great. It's just
01:19:09
some it's a good time killer.
01:19:11
I'm in the fantasy league with uh
01:19:13
Jimmy's cousin and John Ham and all
01:19:15
those people where it's 11 people in the
01:19:18
league, but the winner gets to vote
01:19:19
somebody out of the draft the next year,
01:19:21
which I think is the single best rule.
01:19:23
So, we have to show up.
01:19:24
>> Rude.
01:19:25
>> We have to show up and then the guy who
01:19:28
won's like, "All right, uh Dana, I'm
01:19:31
sorry. You're out and you just have to
01:19:32
get your stuff and leave
01:19:34
>> and that's it. We don't see you for a
01:19:36
year." Yeah. It's great. It's really
01:19:37
really It gets super bitter.
01:19:39
>> And you keep going lower and lower with
01:19:40
people or do you add a person?
01:19:42
>> No, it's the same 11, but we we have 10
01:19:45
people in the league every year plus the
01:19:47
guy who got voted out.
01:19:48
>> Oh, so it's even.
01:19:49
>> So they get to come back a year later,
01:19:51
they can't get voted out, but then
01:19:52
somebody else gets voted out.
01:19:54
>> It has to be even. Dana, you don't
01:19:56
understand.
01:19:57
>> I just I'm going to ask you guys a
01:19:58
question. I mean, I felt like I felt
01:20:01
beat up after I watched the Super Bowl.
01:20:04
>> Yeah.
01:20:04
>> I don't think I've ever gotten that beat
01:20:06
up. I'm from Bay Area, so I'm a Niner
01:20:08
fan, but I I like the Chiefs, too. I'm
01:20:10
not fanatical, but I was rooting for
01:20:11
them. But there was some frustration and
01:20:14
penalties, and it was and the way it
01:20:16
ended, I was like, ah, it wasn't
01:20:18
satisfying. And if you're a Chiefs fan,
01:20:20
I guess it was, but it was like that new
01:20:22
fifth quarter. I I wasn't paying
01:20:24
attention to that. It had never been in
01:20:25
the, you know,
01:20:26
>> in the uh Super Bowl that rules for the
01:20:30
overtime.
01:20:31
>> You were confused. It was It was one of
01:20:33
those things. People wrote about it, but
01:20:36
nobody actually thought it was going to
01:20:37
happen. So then when it was happening,
01:20:39
there was so much strategy to it that
01:20:41
none of us had really totally considered
01:20:44
>> and the NerS ended up choosing to go
01:20:46
first.
01:20:47
>> But I was saying this week
01:20:48
>> to me it's like going second was such an
01:20:50
advantage because you become the
01:20:51
blackjack dealer. So the other guys
01:20:54
going first, you know exactly what
01:20:56
they're going to do and then you can
01:20:57
decide what you need to do to match
01:21:00
whatever they did
01:21:01
>> is the advantage. But I don't think we
01:21:03
realized it until we watched it.
01:21:05
>> Because if you get a touchdown, you're
01:21:06
not
01:21:07
>> just going for two probably because you
01:21:09
could win with a touchdown with an extra
01:21:10
point.
01:21:11
>> The Chiefs said that. They said if they
01:21:12
were scoring, they were getting two.
01:21:14
They
01:21:15
>> Yeah. They were going to come back.
01:21:16
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
01:21:17
>> I told my wife it was over. I said, "Oh
01:21:20
no, Mahomes got the ball. They're going
01:21:21
to do four downs."
01:21:22
>> They moved back so [ __ ] easily when
01:21:24
they came out. I was like, "Oh,
01:21:25
>> it's going to be prevent defense just
01:21:27
and then it was just so predictable
01:21:30
>> when one team is playing three downs
01:21:32
punt and or they did get the field goal
01:21:33
and the other team is going to go four
01:21:36
mentally uh to move the ball." So,
01:21:39
>> well, and then there's this
01:21:40
inevitability with him, which I think
01:21:41
all the best athletes have
01:21:44
>> where when the door is open like that,
01:21:46
you're like, "Oh, here we go." Do you
01:21:47
think he could host SNL Patrick Mahomes?
01:21:50
>> I mean, he's kind of he's kind of
01:21:51
quirky. I get,
01:21:53
>> you know, I think I could host it. You
01:21:55
know,
01:21:57
we did the game. We thought we do. I
01:21:59
give him a little stutter.
01:22:01
>> That was pretty good.
01:22:02
>> Oh, I like that.
01:22:04
>> Oh, I'm sure everybody does it on, you
01:22:06
know.
01:22:06
>> No, that was I haven't heard a lot of
01:22:07
Mahomes. That was good.
01:22:08
>> I haven't as far as like Pew Herman.
01:22:13
>> Yeah, about my voice.
01:22:16
>> Now I'm doing Bobcat Goldweight, but
01:22:18
that's okay.
01:22:19
>> Bobcat Goldweight as Pat Mahubs. as
01:22:21
back. But yeah, he's a supernatural
01:22:24
talent, a word I like to use a lot, you
01:22:27
know, for sure.
01:22:28
>> Well, you asked me about athlete host. I
01:22:30
thought Kelsey was was actually really
01:22:32
good last year or two years ago whenever
01:22:34
he did it. I thought he was solid.
01:22:37
>> Um, I think he'd be an actor.
01:22:39
>> He's with CIA. There's a master plan. I
01:22:41
I I love it. It's just to make him into
01:22:44
an international movie star, and he
01:22:46
probably has the the looks and the
01:22:48
charisma to do that. It's just kind of
01:22:50
The Rock did it and was open about it.
01:22:53
You know,
01:22:54
>> I'm ready for action stars again. I I
01:22:56
feel like we're in such a weird spot.
01:22:57
Like the the era I grew up with
01:23:00
>> where we had Arnold and we had Sly, we
01:23:03
had then Von DM showed up and Seagal and
01:23:06
all these dudes and we just there was a
01:23:07
new one every year and we had like this
01:23:09
embarrassment of riches. Carl Weathers
01:23:11
had a chance.
01:23:12
>> Yeah.
01:23:12
>> Um
01:23:14
>> and now it's like it's all these Jason
01:23:16
Stathithm guys. They know how to do this
01:23:18
like choreograph kung fu stuff and I
01:23:20
don't know I missed the days of just
01:23:22
like these big dudes that we can kind of
01:23:24
make fun of on a show like SNL.
01:23:26
>> I like I thought he was great. I thought
01:23:28
he was his first five were great.
01:23:31
>> Oh yeah, he's great.
01:23:32
>> He was a legendary bad host.
01:23:34
>> Anybody seen Rick Richie in the pool
01:23:36
hall scene? One of the great scenes.
01:23:39
Anybody seen Richie? Anybody?
01:23:42
>> He Yeah, he always played Italian dudes.
01:23:44
He played like Nico Pretti and people
01:23:47
like that. Even though he
01:23:48
>> I didn't even know what that meant when
01:23:49
I was a kid. I just kept going, "You
01:23:51
better kick his [ __ ] ass, dude." Then
01:23:52
there's like eight guys and he walks in
01:23:54
and starts being a dick. And I go, "Once
01:23:56
in my life, I just want to be this guy.
01:23:58
Just go up to a bunch of guys that are
01:23:59
looking at me and go, the [ __ ] are you
01:24:01
looking at just for once and then beat
01:24:03
the [ __ ] out of all
01:24:03
>> he was he was Steven Seigal when he when
01:24:06
he hosted the show as far as just this
01:24:07
alpha male presence and stuff and
01:24:10
talking about how he could choke anyone
01:24:11
out or beat anyone up just Yeah. Uh, he
01:24:14
was a perfect he was the legendary
01:24:16
reviled host though from your
01:24:18
generation, right? Wasn't he the least
01:24:19
favorite?
01:24:21
>> You know, there's others I wouldn't
01:24:22
mention. I I I kind of I liked him. Um,
01:24:26
>> I did
01:24:28
I
01:24:28
>> It's hard to act tough when you ask for
01:24:30
a scrunchie cuz
01:24:31
>> I found him fascinating. You'd go by the
01:24:34
dressing room during the week and you'd
01:24:36
hear a woman in a state of pleasure. It
01:24:38
was just really interesting, you know.
01:24:40
>> Oh my god, what a lover that guy was. I
01:24:42
guess so. But uh he was just fun to talk
01:24:46
to. What a trip. But he, you know, he he
01:24:48
was a little offended by Hans and
01:24:49
France. We had to rewrite it because he
01:24:51
thought we were making fun of him in the
01:24:53
read through and then we rewrote it so
01:24:55
that you could beat up Arnold. You're
01:24:57
the only one who could beat up Arnold.
01:24:59
So, but I like the guy. I don't know. I
01:25:02
like There's worse hosts, but you can't
01:25:04
really name everybody. It's just too
01:25:05
rude to name them. No one's going to do
01:25:07
that, you know.
01:25:08
>> Yeah. That becomes aggregated. It's like
01:25:10
the Daily Mail. David Spade said so and
01:25:12
so for your life.
01:25:14
>> Yeah.
01:25:14
>> Yeah.
01:25:15
>> But Marcy Klein told us she was the
01:25:17
wrangler of host over the years and
01:25:19
producer. Hi Marcy. And she Lauren would
01:25:22
say uh so and so was in their dressing
01:25:25
room. They're not coming out. So she
01:25:26
would have to go in there and they'd be
01:25:28
crying and the show's on in four minutes
01:25:30
or or or just having a panic uh attack.
01:25:33
Uh
01:25:34
>> and so yeah, you kind of have some
01:25:36
empathy for the host. They're doing
01:25:37
something that's impossible, you know.
01:25:40
Yeah. You know, one of the things
01:25:42
because I loved all the books like I
01:25:43
read there's this great book that came
01:25:45
out I'm going to say mid 80s the it's
01:25:48
called I think Live from Saturday night
01:25:50
or something like that but it's about
01:25:51
the first 10 years of the show and and
01:25:54
it was one of my favorite books and then
01:25:55
the oral histories came out with Jim
01:25:57
Miller and Shales and a bunch of other
01:25:59
stuff but you'd read the history of the
01:26:01
show and these things that happened
01:26:03
never expecting YouTube's coming and all
01:26:06
these other things where you could
01:26:06
actually just go back and watch. So
01:26:08
there was always that legendary story of
01:26:10
Belushi when he was so [ __ ] up he
01:26:13
couldn't go, you know, basically
01:26:14
couldn't start. It was the I think when
01:26:16
Kate Jackson hosted
01:26:17
>> and they were like it's 5050 whether he
01:26:20
he he could die in the air if you put
01:26:21
him on Lauren and Lauren's like I'll
01:26:23
take those chances
01:26:24
>> and puts him on and he's in the first
01:26:26
sketch. So I've always read that story
01:26:28
and then you watch the clip and it's
01:26:30
like
01:26:31
>> Belushi seems fine. Like he's a little
01:26:33
he's a tiny bit green but it's it
01:26:34
doesn't seem like he's going to die
01:26:36
during this.
01:26:36
>> Sounds better. Yeah.
01:26:38
>> Yeah. So, sometimes the video doesn't
01:26:39
match up whatever the uh the story.
01:26:42
>> Yeah.
01:26:42
>> Yeah.
01:26:43
>> Dana, we got to we got to wrap up, Bill.
01:26:46
But anything else you have something
01:26:47
good for, Bill?
01:26:48
>> Um I I don't like forget top 10 whatever
01:26:51
movies that you can revisit throughout
01:26:53
your life.
01:26:55
>> Oh, yeah.
01:26:56
>> So, like, you know, I see The Godfather
01:26:58
every year pretty much. You know,
01:27:00
there's there's ones that you just see a
01:27:02
lot of, you know. So for me, Heat was
01:27:05
the movie that started the rewatchables
01:27:07
because we did on my podcast, we just it
01:27:09
was the 20th anniversary
01:27:11
>> and me and my friend Chris Ryan, we're
01:27:12
just like, let's just do a podcast about
01:27:14
heat. [ __ ] it. People loved it.
01:27:16
>> So we created the rewatchables. And
01:27:18
>> what do you want to do? That was the
01:27:20
first time Pacino went full screen,
01:27:22
which was amazing.
01:27:23
>> Pacino is crazy in that movie.
01:27:25
>> Pacino has explained it after that he's
01:27:27
playing the character like the guys on
01:27:29
cocaine.
01:27:30
>> Yeah.
01:27:30
>> And it's like, yeah, we know we saw
01:27:32
heat. We we we know that's what you're
01:27:34
doing.
01:27:35
LIKE SHE'S GOT A GREAT ASS.
01:27:40
>> WAIT, Heath Heat's up there time.
01:27:44
>> Um
01:27:44
>> go ahead.
01:27:45
>> And then uh Boogie Nights. The two
01:27:47
Godfathers are on all the time now
01:27:49
because I think Showtime has just
01:27:51
stripped all their library except for
01:27:53
the Godfathers and they're on constantly
01:27:55
and I'm
01:27:55
>> amazing.
01:27:56
>> I just couldn't feel like I can dive in
01:27:58
at any time to those. Shaw Shanks a good
01:28:00
one.
01:28:01
>> Pul Fiction. They I mean there's certain
01:28:03
ones that just
01:28:03
>> any science fiction in there.
01:28:06
>> Not for me personally, but for a lot of
01:28:08
people I mean there's a ton of comedies.
01:28:10
I mean, you know, Tommy Boy, I'm not
01:28:12
just saying this because spades on this,
01:28:13
but Tommy Boy has become
01:28:15
>> the the good thing about especially when
01:28:17
you get older and you have young kids
01:28:19
and you can start showing them the
01:28:21
comedies. Mhm.
01:28:22
>> It's got to be one of the first six or
01:28:24
seven because I don't know how old a kid
01:28:26
has to be to understand Farley was one
01:28:29
of the funniest people of all time and
01:28:30
how funny that movie is, but
01:28:32
>> it's probably like age four where you
01:28:34
can like fat guy in a little coat. It
01:28:37
might even be age three, but you can
01:28:39
just indoctrinate that. Yeah.
01:28:41
>> In that. So there, you know, there's
01:28:43
there's a bunch of the rewatchable like
01:28:45
>> what about me in the window watching the
01:28:47
girl at the pool? Are they rewatching
01:28:48
that part? Maybe like fast
01:28:50
>> is that cut out of I think that's cut
01:28:52
out on TV. So there's
01:28:53
>> even Jo there's stuff that's cut out and
01:28:55
I and I never know it and then I go so
01:28:58
there's people that are seeing these
01:28:59
movies with a couple of parts missing
01:29:01
>> because it's so rough for TV and I'm
01:29:03
like they don't even know those extra
01:29:05
part. I don't know. That's a bummer.
01:29:06
That's
01:29:07
>> one of the cool things now is like with
01:29:08
YouTube and all these different places
01:29:10
like you know Dana show from the mid 90s
01:29:14
like I don't know 20 of those sketches
01:29:16
are on YouTube now. That was one of
01:29:18
those things where if you love that show
01:29:20
and then it gets cancelled and it's
01:29:22
gone. There's no unless you taped it on
01:29:24
your on your VHS, it's gone. It's
01:29:27
history.
01:29:27
>> Yeah.
01:29:28
>> And now kind of all that stuff has a
01:29:30
second life. Like shows like Freaks and
01:29:31
Geeks.
01:29:32
>> Yeah.
01:29:32
>> You can dive into that. Larry Sanders,
01:29:34
which Shanling was always like famously
01:29:36
never wanted it on DVD. He was always
01:29:39
like very prickly about it. And now like
01:29:41
every episode's on the Max app, you
01:29:43
know? So you
01:29:44
>> is great. Nothing goes away now. We're
01:29:46
all in We're all in cyber bits next to
01:29:49
We're next to Godfather next to
01:29:50
everything else. Just all there. Uh
01:29:53
could Airplane be made today?
01:29:56
>> Yeah. I think the the problematic ones
01:29:58
Animal House.
01:30:00
>> Yeah.
01:30:00
>> Um if you're talking about is this movie
01:30:03
canled now, which we talk about a lot on
01:30:05
the rewatchables, like Animal House,
01:30:07
Revenge of the Nerds.
01:30:09
>> Um Porkies. I don't know how
01:30:12
>> stuff with women. Yeah.
01:30:13
>> Yeah.
01:30:15
I don't even know how you Yeah. I don't
01:30:16
even know how you explain it now. Much
01:30:18
less in ' 83.
01:30:19
>> Fast times at Ridgemont High.
01:30:20
>> Yeah, that but that's a good movie
01:30:22
though. Like at least it's well written.
01:30:24
>> Sean Penn is so good in that.
01:30:26
>> Yeah. Um
01:30:27
>> but yeah, some of the some of the 70s
01:30:29
80s I think Airplane's fine though.
01:30:31
>> I just think a really silly movie right
01:30:33
now because the country's in such a bad
01:30:35
mood if that's just joke per minute
01:30:37
almost just physical gags would be a
01:30:39
nice look.
01:30:41
It's weird the the airplane naked gun
01:30:43
type of movie which I always I mean
01:30:45
that's what we all grew up with. It just
01:30:47
kind of is done. And then they would do
01:30:49
the top secret and they would do the um
01:30:52
Oh yeah,
01:30:52
>> the ripoff versions of of those kind of
01:30:54
movies, but it was like 20 years of
01:30:55
them. Then they made the scary movie
01:30:57
franchise. Now nobody does any of those.
01:30:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. Never know. I don't know.
01:31:02
That's my final question.
01:31:03
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>> You guys are awesome.
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