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Where I come from, there is no UFC.
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There's no MMA.
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>> If we ask them what they what we thought
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you'd become, what do you think they
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would say?
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>> No way. You know, there's no there's no
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way. And so sold everything I had. I
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done everything I could to set myself up
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for this dream. I become like the
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ultimate loner. Like I was like just a
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lone man on a mission.
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>> A lot of fighters say that the sport
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saved them in some way. Did MMA save you
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in any way? Did you need to be saved?
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>> I got smashed by a dude that was like 60
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kilos. Like he just absolutely battered
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me. My nose was bloody. I went in the
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car and I thought I was about to cry. If
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you've come this far, like you might as
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well keep going on. Actually, this was
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um him talking about you on the Joe
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Rogan experience. If you think he's like
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me now, I think he's better than me. The
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next version, when they call you the
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next best thing, does it motivate you or
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does it weigh on you? What What is the
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worst? You've been hurt.
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>> Never actually been knocked out before.
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Everything just slows down for me when
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I'm fighting. See you things coming at
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me slow motion.
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>> Do you remember the exact moment when
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you finally reached that UFC goal? You
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know, I broke into tears and I just
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couldn't believe like, you know, I did
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it. And I was just saying like, man, I
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did it. I made it. Like, I was right
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this whole time.
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>> When you picture the absolute peak of
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your career,
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>> that bout is inevitable.
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>> Navajo Sterling, welcome to my podcast.
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>> Yes, thank you. Thanks for having me,
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>> mate. It's um it's great to have you
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here. We're recording this just to time
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stamp it uh late on a Friday afternoon
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um going into Friday evening and it's
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two weeks away from your UFC fight in
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Seattle.
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>> Yes. Yes, that's the one.
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>> So you you're deep in you've just come
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from training literally.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just come from
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training. My last session of the day on
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the Friday come uh yeah be my fourth
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fight in the UFC now. So I'm getting it.
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I'm getting there. I'm getting my
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numbers up, getting my resume up. Um,
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and yeah, that'll be in two weeks. Uh,
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fighting on the same card as Israel,
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Adisagna, Style Bender, which is a
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pretty cool bucket list moment for
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myself.
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>> And yeah. Yeah. First one of the year.
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>> And you guys, you and um Izzy are both
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getting paid the same amount to be on
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this card.
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>> Uh, definitely not. No, I'm not. I'm not
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on the style vendor paper yet, but I
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would like to be. And um, yeah, my time
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will come, I guess.
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>> Yeah. So, what does training look like
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today? You you said you've just finished
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your um your your last training, which
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suggests to me it's not the first one.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we do depending on which
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day it is, multiple sessions in a day.
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It's the life of an MMA athlete. Um so,
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yeah, just starting off this morning,
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the pad work. Uh and then followed by
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that we got the MMA team training and
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then we have like a little bit of a rest
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and then we come back and do like a
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conditioning in the evening. But I also
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had to do like instead of the rest
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midday, I had to do some stuff um some
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filming and shooting uh which was you
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know bit of drag. Bit of a drag but yeah
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it's just the whole but it's all a part
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of it being an MMA athlete and yeah
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finished off my third session right
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before coming here and so yeah I try to
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fill up my time and make use of every
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bit of hour of the day.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Why didn't you cancel this podcast? If I
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was I'm such a flake. If I was in US, I
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would have canceled it. It's Friday
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afternoon. You've had a big day.
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>> No, man. Well, you know, if you want to
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be a champion, man, you got to get used
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to all of that. Uh, that's what that's
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what happens when you become a title
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fighter. You know, everyone you're doing
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like backtoback interviews and sessions
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on fight week and everything. So, I see
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this stuff as practice um for that
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moment, just being in front of the
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camera. um where I come from like you
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know there is no cameras or podcasts or
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nothing and that was when I first
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started getting into this kind of stuff
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it was a real like eye opener like it
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was like quite quite of a shock like I
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was come from like you know your typical
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Kiwi background where everyone tries to
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just it's quite okay like just going
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under the radar I think but in this
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sport and the American you know audience
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the UFC man you can't you can't uh slide
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under the radar. You kind of have to
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make yourself known and yeah, that's
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that's what the way I see it is
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practice.
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>> Yeah. You know, I feel like the um not
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the sport you're in in particular, MMA,
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but the um the competition you're in
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UFC, you you can't just be good. You
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have to be engaging. You have to be, you
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know, you look at like Patty Pimpblelet
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or Dan Hooker or Izzy. Um all those
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guys, they're um they're engaging and
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they're exciting to watch at the
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weigh-ins and stuff.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a thing
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that's like you could have two of the
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best fighters in the world. Like I'm
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talking, you know, the best dudes and if
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if you don't if you put them in front of
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an audience of people that didn't know
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anything about the sport, they wouldn't
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know what they're watching, right? But
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you get let's say you have two people
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that everyone knows and they might not
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be as good, but it's a good fight. They
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put it that in front of everyone. I
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guarantee everyone will find that like
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so much more interesting just because
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they know the backstories or you know
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how funny this these guys are or the
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buildup the rivalry. um people enjoy
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that and yeah engagement and stuff is a
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whole part of um being in the UFC and
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you know being a star or finding your
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thing and yeah really trying to ride
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with that and put it to the people and
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that's how you're remembered by the fans
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and how you know you stick around and
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people love you
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>> and have you got a name yet like a stage
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name like hangman or
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>> I don't have a stage name um yeah I go
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just by Neo Sterling Um,
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I've I've seen some some people call me
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like the silverback and yeah, I think uh
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I heard on uh Eugis one when he I think
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you did the podcast with you called he
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calls me at the gym the supreme
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commander. So that's the one I actually
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run with at the moment as my gamer tag
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when I'm playing the game is supreme
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commander. But yeah, I think that was
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just a bit of a joke sort of thing. So
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yeah,
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>> nav man. Nav Man.
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I've heard the Nav Man, the Navigator. I
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don't know. I've heard it all.
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>> Navman GPS. Great.
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>> Great. Power Strike is Power Strike.
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>> Yeah. Find in the chin. No, I don't
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know.
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>> Um I suppose Well, do you is it
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important to have a name like that or
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not particular?
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>> No, I don't think so. I think I've come
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a long way. I think my because my name
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is quite unique anyways. Navajo. Um a
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lot of people are like, "Oh, that name
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stands out anyway." So yeah, I haven't
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really found my ring name yet, but yeah,
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see what happens.
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>> Hey, um I um curated a bit of
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information of other people talking
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about you. First of all, I um I sent a
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DM to Bruno Lopez, who's your opponent,
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really in Seattle. Yeah.
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>> And I said I've got um Nav coming in for
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a podcast. Any any voice notes or
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messages to pass on?
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>> And um he just sent me um uh this
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message. I
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>> think he's a Brazilian guy. Yeah. So
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>> I'm So maybe he wrote it in Brazilian
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and then translated. It's very short.
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>> I'm going to give you your first defeat.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I see.
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>> How does that make you feel? Does that
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Does that make you feel nervous or
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>> I mean that's what everyone's going to
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be thinking coming up to me. So I mean
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I've lost in sports before and and
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fighting before, but yeah, I don't see
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how he's going to do that. Um I'm in
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probably the best shape I've been in
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since being in the UFC and I'm looking
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to make a statement. So, I'm coming to
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finish this guy.
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>> He's going to be my first finish in the
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UFC. So, that's um yeah, I'm I'm really
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I'm really ready for it.
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>> What do you mean your first finish? As
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>> just like finishing the guy maybe by
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knockout or submission,
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>> right?
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>> I've You've done that before though.
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>> Yeah, I've done it before. Um but at the
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at the moment in the UFC, I've I've had
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uh some decision decision wins. I've
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I've been dominant in most of my fights.
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Um, but yeah, I think this guy's going
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to be the one where I put up um a crazy
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performance and really get like a
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devastating finish.
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>> Uh Dana White uh from the UFC talking
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about you. I've got a quote here.
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Sterling looked incredible. He's a true
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light heavyweight and he did impress me
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tonight. I'm interested. I want to see
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what he can do in the UFC. when you've
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obviously heard that quote. You've seen
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that video of him talking about you.
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When when this is your dream for like 10
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years to get into the UFC and then the
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head of the UFC says that about you,
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how's that moment? How does that feel,
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>> man? It just it kind of just reaffirms
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like everything that you've been working
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towards and you know, like I've prior to
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being in the UFC, I you know, I'd
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watched it. I'd studied so much footage.
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I knew I knew I was good and and I never
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had the fights to really um like really
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show to people like hey I I can do what
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I preach like I I can I know I'm good
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and I can beat these guys and I'd been
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overseas with Israel and that and I'd
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been in the back corner rooms. I've
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watched these guys warm up like you know
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guys of my weight class man like if I
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fought that dude I'd crush him and and
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he's like a I don't know top 15 like
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heavyweight or something
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>> and yeah every fight man I would just
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keep knocking them down keep keep adding
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up the wins and to then finally have
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Dana say that like you know he he looks
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the part he is the part. Um, that's
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that's everything I was going for, you
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know, because I would look at, you know,
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the way my build was compared to other
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light heavyweights, like I feel like I
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really fit the weight class to the its
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full potential. Um, and and I had the
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skills to back it up. So, not just the
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athleticism, but yeah, the skill set.
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And yeah, I'm only proving that now. Um,
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while being in the UFC, I've had a
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strong start and I can't see anyone at
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the moment that can knock knock me off
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my path. Do you remember the exact
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moment when you finally reached that UFC
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goal?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I
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>> Do Do you get a phone call or an email?
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>> So, basically I had one I knew the
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contenders show was coming up and that
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usually starts around like July, April.
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Oh, sorry, July, August. And yeah, I
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just finished my second fight in two two
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months. I fought in May and June. And in
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my the fight in June, I fought a guy
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that had just come off PFL circuit,
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which is like the opposing um league to
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UFC at the moment. And this guy was
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coming in basically ready to destroy.
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Like he was the top guy before he left
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to PFL. And um a win over him would be
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like, "Hey, I'm I'm like the best guy,
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like the best guy on this side of the
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world outside of any promotion."
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>> And when I beat him, I beat the brakes
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off him. like I really I really smashed
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him up and got a big devastating finish.
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I made sure I it was fanatic so that
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everyone watching would be like, "Whoa,
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this guy's like really good. He's next
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up." And yeah, I just called out called
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out for Mick Maynard um who was the he's
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one of the matchmakers for the UFC. I
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was calling him out, you know, just
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emotions running high and you know, I
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never he actually followed me back on
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Instagram after that and I was like, you
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know, I was like, "Oh, wow." Oh, you
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know, like maybe something's going on. I
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didn't get a message or anything, but
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yeah, time went and you know, huge was
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like, "Oh, you know, I think he said he
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set me up like Huge Huge did. He was
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like, "Oh, you know, uh, we'll probably
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look to try try it next year." You know,
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we'll just keep getting you fights and
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um, you know, we'll build you up and get
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you ready for the UFC and stuff. So, I
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was kind of like, okay, like, well, my I
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usually always go into like a optimistic
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mindset. I'm like, "Okay, that's all
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good. I can work on getting more
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fights." Um, I was just more so
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panicking about um people to fight cuz
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that was always my problem was that I
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was too good for guys on the local scene
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that coaches and managers um would be
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like, "No, this guy's too good. Like,
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we're not we're not fighting him, you
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know, he's too scary or whatever." And
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that's why I always wanted to be in the
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UFC cuz I was like, "Well, if no one
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wants to fight me, like where else
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should I go? What other place would
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match me up?" And um yeah, basically I
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was just like sort of panicking and then
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um I was finished the training session
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and uh huge basically called everyone
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around. I was like, "Right, everyone, we
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got like some things to talk about."
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And, you know, he was getting real deep
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and I'm just sitting there like, you
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know, I'm like zoned into what he's
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trying to say. And, uh, huge does this
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very well, but he always talks with long
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pauses and suspenses is something I've
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noticed about him that really engages
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you to focus in what he's about to say.
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So he'll like pause and then he'll like
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look around and then he's like like kind
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of like he's about to say something and
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you like hurry up and say it and then
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he's like never steering welcome to the
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UFC and everyone just you know starts
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going off and they filmed it and that
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and I was like I was trying to process
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everything that he was saying and
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everyone was like you know cheering and
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haring and you know even Izzy was
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getting he was getting emotional and and
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the bulkan beer and stuff like that. All
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my teammates are just getting like, you
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know, emotional for me and I was just
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like in complete shock and I think after
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I kind of take a while to process my
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emotions like I never feel anything um
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immediately. I think it's just the way I
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am. But I went home and I was like, you
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know, just sitting there because I
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didn't see the the footage and then they
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posted the footage like later in the
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evening and I was like I watched it. Um
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and I was like I just broke into tears,
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>> you know, I broke into tears and I just
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couldn't believe like you know I did it
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and I was just saying like man I did it.
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Like I I did it. I made it. like I was
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right this whole time, you know, I was I
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would people thought I was crazy
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everywhere. Like where I grew up, I I
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told everyone like I had aspirations of
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being in UFC and then where I come from
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that that's there is no UFC, there's no
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MMA, there's nothing people like they
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always are proud of you and what you do
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and they're like, man, you know, good on
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you for going for what you going for
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what you believe in, but they never
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really believe like that you're going to
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do it. they just like, oh, you know,
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good on him for trying that. Good on him
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for trying. But then if people if you
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were to ask them honestly like, do you
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think he'll make it? They'll be like,
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no, no way. You know, there's no there's
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no way. And so I was thinking like, no,
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I did do it. And I was so emotional. And
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I think I boosted I have a I run a
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stream as well, like I stream on Twitch,
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gaming, and sometimes talking to like my
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fan base. And I'd built up a big fan
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base through that uh streaming. And I
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went live and I had to wear shades on
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the live because I had like teary eyes
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and I was just kicking off a massive
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party and people were like donating like
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loads of subs and money to me and it was
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insane. And like I just remember being
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so overwhelmed and I was on the live
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stream and I was I remember I had a lot
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of haters and stuff that had said I'd
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never make it. And so when I went on the
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live and I was just saying, you know, I
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did it. I felt like because I had really
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brought the Kiwi population up with me
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when I started streaming outside the UFC
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to then streaming in there. um they saw
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the journey, you know, and it was like
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they felt like a part of it and I feel
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like that's why I have such a good Kiwi
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fan base now is I've really brought
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people along with me on the journey to
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getting there and yeah, man, it was that
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was uh some of the best moments I've
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ever felt in my whole career. For sure.
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>> That's so special. I can tell how much
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it means to you. You actually told me
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off off Mike just before we started. I
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said, "Oh, there's tissues down here in
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case you get emotional." and you said,
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"No, I'm I'm I'm not really an emotional
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guy." So, the fact that you got that
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emotional when you found out you'd
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achieved this goal, um I think it just
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demonstrates how much it means to you.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. It was like a flashback.
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Like I remember just flashing back to
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every hard moment that I almost like
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quit, you know, almost gave up, but I
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had just come too far to like really
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stop. You know, it's kind of cliche, but
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like it was like, you know, when you
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just come from a life of just should
00:16:32
have, could have, would have, and you
00:16:34
know, people talk big and and
00:16:37
opportunities always go out the door.
00:16:40
Uh, that's what I kind of grew around,
00:16:42
and it was very hard to be optimistic in
00:16:44
those sort of environments. I'm sure
00:16:46
people know what I'm talking about when
00:16:48
I say stuff like that. Um, and yeah, to
00:16:51
finally have it
00:16:54
uh become physical and reality was
00:16:58
insane. I remember calling my dad like,
00:17:00
>> "Dad, I'm in the UFC." Like, I got, you
00:17:03
know, sorry, I got my contender shot. He
00:17:06
was at work and he was just swearing
00:17:07
like he was throwing his like phone up
00:17:10
the roof and cuz he'd been telling
00:17:12
everyone my my dad is a firefighter so
00:17:15
you know he's at the station and he all
00:17:18
of all everyone's always hitting him up
00:17:19
like when's your boy going to make it
00:17:20
and he always like you know it's his
00:17:22
shots coming you know and the the fact
00:17:25
that you know he said to everyone like
00:17:27
no he's he's got his shot now they like
00:17:30
even all of his workmates were like they
00:17:31
couldn't believe it they was like man
00:17:33
your your son really did grind
00:17:35
and and and make it a reality.
00:17:38
>> Yeah.
00:17:38
>> Cuz anyone that's listening to this or
00:17:40
watching this that only has say like a
00:17:42
casual passing interest in UFC, um you
00:17:44
could be fooled to think it's like
00:17:45
something that's quite easy just because
00:17:47
of the success and the ratio of fighters
00:17:49
from City Kickboxing. Um but it's bloody
00:17:52
difficult like Yeah. Like what you're
00:17:54
doing is um is um defying the odds.
00:17:57
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and the thing is like
00:18:00
there's hundreds of people like me. Like
00:18:03
when I got into the sport, you know, and
00:18:05
I'd come up with this big dream, I'd met
00:18:07
loads of people on the same path as me
00:18:09
and and they didn't make it. And and and
00:18:12
you see it happening around you. Or
00:18:14
maybe guys are coming in a little bit
00:18:15
too old, you know, they grinded for so
00:18:17
long just to come up with nothing. And
00:18:20
>> that that's real that's a that's a real
00:18:22
thing, man. Like you you start looking
00:18:24
at that and you're like, am I is this
00:18:27
worth it? Like cuz you got no money.
00:18:29
Like there's no money in it. You still
00:18:31
working a job to, you know, pay for your
00:18:34
training and trying to stay alive and,
00:18:38
you know, you've got some people have
00:18:39
kids and and and you know, significant
00:18:43
others to worry about and I had none of
00:18:44
that. And I'm like, man, like I'm still
00:18:47
struggling as is. And yeah, man, you you
00:18:51
see all that start happen around you and
00:18:53
it starts to really play on the back of
00:18:54
your mind and yeah, to to kind of push
00:18:58
through that. I was like, man, I've come
00:19:02
too far to stop and I don't want to. And
00:19:06
you're getting older, the years are
00:19:07
getting older, and people that you grew
00:19:09
up going to school with, they're getting
00:19:11
jobs, so like, you know, they're
00:19:13
settling down, they're traveling the
00:19:14
world. And I didn't travel the world at
00:19:16
all. every bit of money I had, I had to
00:19:19
use my leave for fights. So, anytime I
00:19:21
would fight here and there, I had to use
00:19:23
my leave to fight and then, you know,
00:19:26
obviously pay for my rent and stuff cuz
00:19:28
I never lived at home, you know, I lived
00:19:30
I always lived on my own and I had to
00:19:32
pay rent and you work a job to pay for
00:19:35
all my nutrition and stuff. And I'm a
00:19:37
big dude so I I got to pay for all that.
00:19:39
And still I was coming out with cents,
00:19:41
you know, like
00:19:42
>> sometimes I was like, man, am I going to
00:19:44
be able to afford gas this week? and uh
00:19:46
I I got a lot of skills from doing that
00:19:49
like learning how to low budget and
00:19:52
stuff like that. So those are some good
00:19:55
things that have stuck with me
00:19:57
>> and yeah. No, it's it's honestly crazy
00:20:00
crazy sport and you don't get a lot out
00:20:03
of it, but I just went ah stuff it. I'll
00:20:05
go for it anyways.
00:20:07
>> It's paying off. How old are you now?
00:20:08
28.
00:20:09
>> 28. Yeah, 28.
00:20:10
>> 10 years. Uh I've got some uh more
00:20:12
quotes here. Um Eugene Beerman, who
00:20:14
you've mentioned a couple of times. Um
00:20:16
he's kind of like a a guru e like a
00:20:17
genius from city kickboxing.
00:20:19
>> Uh this is his quote. Uh Navajo is a
00:20:22
dumb [ __ ] at life. Uh but there is one
00:20:24
thing he is good at and it's fighting.
00:20:26
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:27
>> Seems like you guys have a special
00:20:28
relationship.
00:20:29
>> Yeah, we do. We do have a special
00:20:30
relationship. He's uh I feel like yeah,
00:20:34
he goes for me cuz I'm probably like,
00:20:36
you know, I'm very promising and have a
00:20:38
lot of potential, but um you know,
00:20:40
things can go south south when a you
00:20:43
know, young prospect um starts to you
00:20:46
know, get a two ahead of himself. So, he
00:20:49
definitely keeps me humble and uh I feel
00:20:51
like I'm mentally strong because of
00:20:53
that. Um he's very much like my the way
00:20:56
I was brought up with my dad. My dad was
00:20:58
very much the same. uh to huge it was
00:21:02
like you know kind of something people
00:21:04
take that stuff the wrong way um but
00:21:07
it's all just you know just tough love
00:21:09
really and that's the way I see it with
00:21:11
with huge and um yeah it's actually yeah
00:21:14
it's made me real strong man real strong
00:21:16
mentally like I feel like nothing can
00:21:18
break me um cuz I value what he says and
00:21:21
when he he's putting that on on me um
00:21:25
yeah I feel real strong mentally and
00:21:28
yeah it's just keeps me in a good
00:21:31
position having someone like him. Like
00:21:33
I've seen what he does for so many other
00:21:35
people at the gym. He's like a he is a
00:21:38
guru. He's like a counselor. He's a, you
00:21:41
know, a coach. He's a life coach, man.
00:21:45
He's he's he does it all. And um yeah, I
00:21:48
don't know where I'd be without him. Uh
00:21:51
he's he's been a pivotal person in in my
00:21:54
life. Um, and obviously, you know, all
00:21:58
the other big fighters at our gym, but
00:22:01
yeah, I even though it's a he'll have
00:22:03
like a small bit of time for me, I
00:22:06
appreciate like every little bit of it.
00:22:08
And yeah, we we have like a weird
00:22:11
relationship like, you know, we don't
00:22:13
express like, you know, like we're
00:22:16
stoic. We're both stoic, so we don't
00:22:17
really express um, you know, like I
00:22:21
don't know how to say it.
00:22:22
>> Emotion.
00:22:23
>> Emotion with each other. But yeah, we're
00:22:25
very, you know, on to it. And I like our
00:22:28
relationship, the way everything's
00:22:29
going. It keeps me at the gym, keeps me
00:22:31
grounded.
00:22:32
>> Yeah.
00:22:34
>> I got a quote here from um the style
00:22:35
bender, Israel. Actually, this was um uh
00:22:38
him talking about you on the Joe Rogan
00:22:41
Experience.
00:22:41
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:43
>> I'm stoked for him. Proud of him. I
00:22:45
don't want people to make comparisons,
00:22:46
but there will be because we're from the
00:22:48
same gym. Navajo is his own beast, and
00:22:51
you'll see his own style show. If you
00:22:53
think he's like me now, I think he's
00:22:55
better than me. The next version.
00:22:57
>> How do when when people um especially
00:23:00
like a Hall of Famer like Israel, when
00:23:01
they call you the next best thing, does
00:23:03
it motivate you or does it weigh on you?
00:23:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was always
00:23:08
something like expectation, right? Um
00:23:11
I'm I'm big on living up to expectation,
00:23:15
you know, that pressure is a privilege
00:23:17
and all of that. Grand diamonds.
00:23:19
>> Yeah. Yeah. All of that, man. And I said
00:23:22
to myself, like, you know, if I get into
00:23:23
the sport, I don't want to be just a
00:23:25
bystander or just, oh, just give it a
00:23:27
go, you know, I'll be I'll do my best.
00:23:29
Like, no, man. I wanted to be the best
00:23:31
ever. And, um, to have that to be
00:23:34
mentioned among the greats or compared
00:23:36
to them. U, it's just crazy, especially
00:23:40
already when I feel like I still got so
00:23:42
long to go. Um, I feel like I still
00:23:45
haven't done anything. And um it it
00:23:48
kicks me, you know, up the ass a little
00:23:50
bit to really push for, you know, the
00:23:53
belt and I want to surpass that and
00:23:55
create my own legacy. Um and yeah, we do
00:23:58
have a lot of comparisons as well, not
00:24:00
just because we're from the same gym,
00:24:01
but cuz we have like very similar
00:24:03
styles. Um basically my whole my whole
00:24:06
career I grew up watching Israel. He was
00:24:09
like part of the reason why I got into
00:24:11
it. I I when I was getting into MMA, I
00:24:14
and just my kickboxing, I I figured out
00:24:18
I was trying to figure out who in New
00:24:19
Zealand is at the top right now. And I
00:24:21
started to do my own research and I
00:24:23
found him and I was like, man, I've
00:24:25
never seen anybody move like this guy.
00:24:27
Like this. I'm telling you, like in his
00:24:29
prime, man, like he was just doing stuff
00:24:33
nobody's ever seen with the confidence,
00:24:35
with the flare. He was like just crazy,
00:24:39
man. Like it was so like just sparked me
00:24:43
and I was I always wanted to fight like
00:24:45
him. I watched every single fight that
00:24:47
he had, man. I I broke down everything
00:24:50
he did. I would watch breakdowns of on
00:24:53
YouTube about him and I would try and
00:24:56
figure out, you know, his range and I
00:24:58
would try and steal it on my own. And
00:25:00
and I was selftaught when I come in. I I
00:25:02
was really just watching YouTube and
00:25:05
trying to figure out what they were
00:25:06
doing at City Kickboxing because I was
00:25:08
all the way down in Wellington. And then
00:25:10
yeah, now now to actually train with
00:25:12
them and pick up their actual skills and
00:25:15
you know, I was so far off on so many
00:25:17
things and and then I was a little bit
00:25:19
right on some and yeah, I really refined
00:25:22
down down down everything that uh I saw
00:25:26
from him and then I just blended in my
00:25:28
own experience, took away my own things
00:25:30
and added what I thought might have been
00:25:32
flaws in from some of the footage I did
00:25:35
see of him. And yeah, I really tried to
00:25:37
perfect my style and blend it in with
00:25:39
his and yeah, I've I've uh sort of come
00:25:42
up with my own thing and added a bit of
00:25:44
grappling as well as you can tell by the
00:25:46
ears. So, um yeah.
00:25:48
>> Yeah, your ears are messed up.
00:25:50
>> So, that's maybe what Israel sees as
00:25:53
well, all the hard work I've been doing
00:25:55
and that's just a take on it and so
00:25:57
yeah, makes me happy.
00:25:59
>> Oh, that's so cool. Um yeah, more on
00:26:00
Israel later. I'm I'm curious to get
00:26:02
into that later and because it's they
00:26:04
get into the whole uh full circle aspect
00:26:06
of it like being a being a kid working
00:26:08
at Food Stuffs in Wellington, watching
00:26:10
him on TV and then training with him,
00:26:12
getting your ass kicked by him. It's
00:26:13
>> it's it's wild. Um but one more quote
00:26:16
here um
00:26:17
>> from a former boss of yours, Heather at
00:26:19
the YMCA Lynfield.
00:26:21
>> Oh yes.
00:26:22
>> Uh you could absolutely understand that
00:26:24
work would come a distant second to his
00:26:26
training, but he was always on time and
00:26:28
trustworthy. We noticed how incredibly
00:26:30
clever he was. He only had to be shown
00:26:32
something once and he'd remember it. I
00:26:34
believe this is really important and
00:26:36
will take him far in his journey as an
00:26:38
elite athlete.
00:26:39
>> Yeah.
00:26:39
>> So, you were um like a basketball coach
00:26:41
at the Y.
00:26:42
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:43
>> Turning up with cuts and bruises.
00:26:44
>> I worked at the YMCA. I used to come in
00:26:47
I used to work at the reception and
00:26:49
teach like kids basketball. Um Yeah. I
00:26:53
>> How recent was this?
00:26:54
>> Uh not not long ago. I think I left my
00:26:57
job there at July 2024. So it' be about
00:27:02
>> oh man, almost a year, year and a half.
00:27:04
Yeah. So not not long. Um yeah, I used
00:27:08
to roll up to work and cuts and stuff
00:27:10
all over my face and people would
00:27:12
comment on my ears and stuff and yeah,
00:27:15
even the little kids would look at me
00:27:17
funny like, "Why you got a black eye?"
00:27:19
and stuff like that. So yeah, I it it
00:27:22
was it was funny because you know your
00:27:25
your work you fight on a Saturday night
00:27:27
like I would book my leave and I'd fight
00:27:30
on the Saturday and I'd come back to
00:27:31
work Monday cuz I was like oh no I'm
00:27:33
going to roll this dude and I'll be
00:27:34
sweet to work on Monday. I'm only
00:27:36
sitting at the desk you know and so I'
00:27:38
I'd just, you know, fully flatline some
00:27:40
dude in another country on a Saturday
00:27:42
and I'm back to work on Monday. I'm
00:27:44
sitting there arguing with a guy about
00:27:46
his membership prices and stuff and you
00:27:48
know I used to talk to some of the
00:27:49
locals that come in and they couldn't
00:27:51
believe it. They'd be like, "What are
00:27:53
you doing here, mate? Like you you just
00:27:56
you just you just flatlined some dude on
00:27:59
Saturday and you're you're in the gym
00:28:00
arguing with some guy $15.99 for a
00:28:04
contract or something, you know, for a
00:28:05
cheaper contract." And I just like it
00:28:08
was like a very humbling experience, but
00:28:10
I I liked it and I knew like where I was
00:28:13
going to be. So I never really um was
00:28:16
minded it. And yeah, I used to get in
00:28:19
trouble a little bit cuz I'd watch I'd
00:28:21
watch like YouTube fights and stuff on
00:28:23
that on the on the um TVs and sorry on
00:28:27
the desktop computer and that and just
00:28:31
on the downtime. But yeah, it was it was
00:28:34
awesome, man, working at the Y and um to
00:28:36
see all the young kids come through and
00:28:38
they all they that ask me about it about
00:28:40
the journey and stuff about fighting and
00:28:42
they'd want to get into it. So, it was
00:28:44
cool to kind of talk to them and um show
00:28:48
them what it's about, keeping them in
00:28:50
school and Yeah. No, it was mad.
00:28:54
>> You you've mentioned a couple of times
00:28:55
already um the phrase um where I come
00:28:58
from uh which is upper heart.
00:29:00
>> Yes. Um so let's talk about um yeah the
00:29:03
early years. So Rongo Tahhenia Navajo
00:29:06
Hunter Sterling.
00:29:07
>> Yes. Yes. Rgo Tahinia. That's my moldy
00:29:10
name.
00:29:10
>> Um yeah I'm like a half cast New Zealand
00:29:13
moldi. Blueeyed moldi.
00:29:14
>> Yeah. Blue-eyed moldi. Yeah. Um part
00:29:17
Welsh and a whole lot of other
00:29:20
>> um nationalities I think. But yeah from
00:29:23
what I grew up around most was mainly my
00:29:26
moldi heritage. Um both my mother and
00:29:30
father of uh are moldi. Um I didn't grow
00:29:34
up speaking to so um yeah I'm not very
00:29:37
good on that part but yeah I was grew up
00:29:42
you know just a typical moldy boy life.
00:29:45
Um
00:29:47
just yeah a lot of family and core
00:29:49
values and stuff. And
00:29:51
>> what were they? Um just you know just I
00:29:54
was brought up um how do I explain it
00:29:59
just you know around mid eyes and
00:30:02
>> you know hies and all just everything
00:30:04
man like doing
00:30:06
mixing in with um a lot of the kids at
00:30:09
that I used to play rugby with and that
00:30:11
and there were a lot of moldy kids where
00:30:13
I was um playing rugby and stuff. I grew
00:30:16
up yeah playing a lot of rugby and heaps
00:30:19
of sports as kids and yeah you often
00:30:21
doing a lot of team gatherings and stuff
00:30:23
and you know fundraisers and stuff like
00:30:27
that. So um yeah I had like a lot of
00:30:31
team values as well um growing up from
00:30:34
just rugby
00:30:36
and yeah no it was crazy upbringing. Um
00:30:40
sorry not a crazy upbringing just
00:30:43
>> yeah just like a real mundane yeah yeah
00:30:45
pretty mundane actually like
00:30:47
>> yeah not really unassuming and just kind
00:30:50
of waiting through life. Uh, didn't
00:30:52
really have a lot of big aspirations as
00:30:54
as a kid. Just um, yeah, just like a
00:30:57
normal Kiwi Kiwi boy's life.
00:30:59
>> What did you want to do?
00:31:01
>> Man, honestly, I didn't know what I
00:31:03
wanted to do. Like, I I used to just
00:31:05
figure try and think like, oh, what's
00:31:06
easy to do? Like, what what what do what
00:31:09
do what do people do when they grow up?
00:31:11
Like, I played rugby, but I was never
00:31:13
good at it. Like, I I grew up that that
00:31:15
was just something we did to keep fit as
00:31:18
a kid. I I had a passion about being an
00:31:20
all black when I was like five and then
00:31:22
I because I've been doing it since I was
00:31:24
that long that years old I was like oh I
00:31:27
don't I'm over this like but that that
00:31:29
was all I had to do like there was no
00:31:31
such thing as martial arts when when I
00:31:33
grew up. So when I actually found the
00:31:36
sport I was like wa what is this like
00:31:38
this is fun it's just something you saw
00:31:40
on TV but
00:31:41
>> um yeah pretty unassuming life to be
00:31:44
honest.
00:31:45
>> What did um did you ever look at going
00:31:46
into the military? Your dad was in the
00:31:48
the army for a while and your
00:31:49
great-granddad's part of the 28th Moldy
00:31:50
Battalion.
00:31:51
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:52
>> Joined when he was 14, I believe.
00:31:53
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
00:31:55
>> yeah, that's that's that's crazy. I only
00:31:57
found that out like not too long ago.
00:31:59
But, um yeah, my dad was in the army. Um
00:32:01
and then now he's a firefighter. He's
00:32:03
been a firefighter for like 30 years, I
00:32:05
think.
00:32:06
>> But, um yeah, I think that's what I
00:32:08
gravitated towards. I wasn't very smart
00:32:10
in school, but um what I did know was I
00:32:14
was just really good at like working
00:32:15
really hard and like hard labor. Like so
00:32:17
I was just trying to figure like what
00:32:19
can I do with my life that's just just
00:32:21
like I can I'm very disciplined person
00:32:24
like I can if you tell me to do
00:32:25
something like I'll do it like I won't
00:32:27
like complain or anything. I just be
00:32:29
like, "Oh, yeah, sweet." Like, and I was
00:32:31
just trying to think, what qualities uh
00:32:34
in a job can I do where I don't have to
00:32:36
think too much, but can do? And so, I
00:32:39
was thinking about joining the army when
00:32:41
I when I left school. And that was
00:32:43
basically what I was um going to do
00:32:46
until I found martial arts.
00:32:47
>> Yeah. If if we went back to Upper Hard
00:32:50
and asked the people who knew you as a
00:32:51
kid, um whether it's like shopkeepers or
00:32:54
school teachers or peers or whatever, if
00:32:57
we asked them what they what we thought
00:32:58
you'd become, what do you think they
00:33:00
would say?
00:33:01
>> Oh man, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't
00:33:03
know. Like I was a quiet kid, man. I was
00:33:07
very very quiet. And um some of the
00:33:10
people that see me now, they almost
00:33:12
can't believe
00:33:14
the person I've become now. like cuz I
00:33:16
speak a lot in front of cameras and now
00:33:19
I do like streaming and stuff. So people
00:33:22
are like, "Man, you were like the
00:33:23
quietest kid." You know, you just stuck
00:33:25
to the shadows and you know, I had
00:33:28
friend groups and stuff, but I would
00:33:29
always like, you know, lurk at the back.
00:33:31
Like, yeah, I would just go under the
00:33:33
radar. And so to now see someone that
00:33:35
puts himself in the spotlight, I think,
00:33:38
yeah, it takes a lot of people by
00:33:39
surprise. especially people I haven't
00:33:41
seen in years and I see them and I catch
00:33:43
up with them, they're just like, "Man,
00:33:45
you've become so different since we knew
00:33:48
you as a kid." And a lot of my family
00:33:50
members, cousins, aunties, and stuff,
00:33:52
they say the same. They they just can't
00:33:54
they just go day at the whole thing. But
00:33:56
yeah,
00:33:57
>> you know, we've been going for half an
00:33:58
hour. You're not cocky or anything, but
00:33:59
you're very articulate.
00:34:01
>> Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to think so. Um um
00:34:04
but yeah. Yeah, it's just how it is.
00:34:06
>> What was the most trouble you got in? Is
00:34:08
there anything that stands out?
00:34:09
>> No, man. My brother was um very
00:34:12
rebellious. So,
00:34:12
>> is that the one that's a cop?
00:34:14
>> Yeah, he's a cop. So, that's the funny
00:34:16
thing. He was he was very rebellious. Um
00:34:20
naughty kid and I was because um my dad
00:34:23
was quite like old school like strict,
00:34:25
you know, he cuz my brother got away
00:34:28
with it. He made sure that I never got
00:34:29
away with anything. So,
00:34:31
>> was your brother older than you?
00:34:32
>> Yeah. Yeah, he's older. My brother's
00:34:33
older than me. And so, yeah, my dad was
00:34:35
always, you know, on me like hard out
00:34:38
and didn't want me to stuff up or, you
00:34:41
know, do anything wrong. Um, and so I
00:34:45
was like afraid. I was like, man, I
00:34:46
don't want to get in trouble. I don't
00:34:48
want to do no I'll stay by the book.
00:34:50
Like, I'm be abide by the law, you know,
00:34:54
that's just the way my dad laid it down
00:34:56
for me. And um yeah, just that's
00:35:00
basically how I was as a kid. Not not a
00:35:02
troublemaker. I I get I hate like
00:35:04
confrontation which is quite funny being
00:35:06
a fighter. I hate it. I hate getting
00:35:09
into arguments. I hate seeing people
00:35:10
argue or you know all that sort of
00:35:13
thing. I'm just not good at it and I
00:35:15
kind of freeze up a little bit. So yeah,
00:35:17
when that when I see it happen I'm just
00:35:19
like oh no like I can't be here right
00:35:22
now, you know. But yeah.
00:35:24
>> Wow.
00:35:26
So after school you you get a job at
00:35:28
food staffs and that's when you first
00:35:29
discover UFC.
00:35:30
>> Yeah. Yeah. So when I left school, I
00:35:33
left school, left home at about 17, um
00:35:37
just packed my bags and went down to
00:35:39
Christ Church, um and got a job at food
00:35:42
stuffs down there. Um and I was working
00:35:45
there and
00:35:46
>> doing what?
00:35:47
>> Uh I was a picket packer, so I used to
00:35:49
just basically pack cartons that go to
00:35:52
pack and save and new world and stuff.
00:35:54
Um and I would do that for like eight
00:35:55
hours a day and like that was my first
00:35:58
time making money and I was really
00:35:59
really good at it. Why why did you go to
00:36:01
Christ Church to do that? Sure, you
00:36:02
could
00:36:02
>> because I had a lot of family down
00:36:04
Christ Church and my brother was working
00:36:05
there already and they thought my
00:36:07
brother was a gun
00:36:10
as a pickle packer. So they when they
00:36:12
found out I needed a job, they were
00:36:14
like, "Oh, there's two of you." You
00:36:15
know, like my brother had laid a good
00:36:17
foundation down for me. So they they
00:36:18
hired me straight away. Um so yeah, I
00:36:21
got there. I started working and I'd
00:36:23
never made money before. Like I I think
00:36:26
my I was on minimum wage. It was like
00:36:28
$15.70 in a 40hour week. I I got like
00:36:32
$525
00:36:34
and that was my first paycheck. And I
00:36:36
thought I thought I was a rich man. I
00:36:38
was like, man, this is this is cuz
00:36:41
there's no like working upper heart
00:36:42
where I'm from like even as a teenager.
00:36:44
So it's un unheard of to get a job as a
00:36:47
as a teen. And so I was like I didn't
00:36:50
have a lot of money as a kid. Um my
00:36:53
parents never gave me much money other
00:36:54
than bus money. So, um, when I made my
00:36:57
own money for the first time, I couldn't
00:36:58
believe it. And I remember just even
00:37:01
after I paid my rent and everything, I
00:37:04
like I had like, you know, a couple
00:37:05
hundred bucks and I was like, man, I'm
00:37:06
I'm rich. You know, this is the most
00:37:08
money I've ever had. And yeah, that went
00:37:11
a long way back then. You know, that
00:37:13
would go two days uh in today's world,
00:37:16
which is quite funny. But, um, yeah.
00:37:20
Yeah, I was just smashed it there and I
00:37:23
become really good and um basically
00:37:26
yeah, we had this guy um who was like
00:37:29
hard out into watching UFC. He was like,
00:37:32
"Man, this this there's this guy Conor
00:37:34
McGregor, you know, like man, he's the
00:37:36
man." And so they would all like watch
00:37:38
UFC and talk about it and I was like,
00:37:40
"Oh yeah, like I used to do like a bit
00:37:42
of like kickboxing stuff like back in
00:37:45
Upper Hut when I was in Upper Hut.
00:37:48
did like this Muay Thai with karate
00:37:50
guys, you know, and I just did that for
00:37:51
about a year or two. Um went after
00:37:54
school with my mate and um and so when I
00:37:57
was down there, I kind of thought like,
00:37:58
oh, I think I know what I'm looking at.
00:38:00
And but I'd seen Conor McGregor and I
00:38:03
and I'd seen how he was as a person and
00:38:05
I was really inspired by him and I was
00:38:07
like, whoa, this guy's like the man, you
00:38:09
know, and he was talking about how he'd
00:38:11
work a job and he was like, this isn't
00:38:12
for me. like I I work hard and I can I I
00:38:16
put my hard work into fighting.
00:38:18
>> And I was just thinking like, man, I
00:38:20
work hard, you know? I work really hard
00:38:22
and like maybe I could put that same
00:38:24
work ethic that I have like I had like a
00:38:27
laborers's work ethic. Like you could
00:38:28
just tell me to move 100 logs, you know,
00:38:31
and I'll just go do it. That was just
00:38:33
how I always was. So, when I was
00:38:35
thinking like, man, I'm kind of wasting
00:38:37
away here at this at this job. Like, cuz
00:38:40
I work really hard, but you know, I'm
00:38:41
working at a big company and it's not
00:38:44
really going anywhere. Like, I was
00:38:46
trying to think about like my actual
00:38:47
future. And so, um, yeah, basically I
00:38:51
got into martial arts after seeing him
00:38:53
talk about it. And then I become in love
00:38:56
with him like as soon as I seen all his
00:38:58
fights and stuff like I was like, man,
00:39:00
this guy is the man. And that was
00:39:02
basically what kickstarted my journey. I
00:39:04
started MMA, sorry, kickboxing down
00:39:06
there because I had already done a
00:39:08
little bit and yeah, put it together and
00:39:10
I was like, "Yeah, this is I think this
00:39:13
might be me." And I I just decided, "Oh
00:39:16
man, I I want to be a UFC fighter." Like
00:39:18
to myself, that's what I said.
00:39:21
>> A lot of fighters say that the sport
00:39:23
saved them in some way.
00:39:24
>> Yeah.
00:39:24
>> Yeah. Did Did MMA save you in any way?
00:39:28
Did you need to be saved? I think I
00:39:30
think I didn't need to be saved, but I
00:39:32
think mainly just
00:39:35
um just given me a bit of purpose
00:39:37
because I was yeah I was waiting away
00:39:39
through life. Didn't know what I was
00:39:41
doing.
00:39:42
>> You know, all of my friends were just,
00:39:43
you know, doing stuff that I didn't
00:39:45
really like and
00:39:46
>> yeah, I was just like, oh, you know, you
00:39:48
know, just like no, just doing like a
00:39:50
normal job and and yeah, doing that too,
00:39:52
you know, doing drugs and alcohol and
00:39:54
stuff. And I was like, man, I like I'm I
00:39:57
felt like I'd meant to be I was meant
00:39:59
for something and I just didn't know
00:40:01
what that was. And I let a lot of
00:40:03
people's voices and opinions like um you
00:40:06
know stop me from doing things as well.
00:40:08
Like
00:40:09
>> they'd be like, "Oh no, don't do that
00:40:10
cuz you can't do go far this sport or
00:40:14
this career because of this and that and
00:40:17
oh no that's fake." And
00:40:19
>> you know, people people that's what they
00:40:22
say, you know, like they knock you down
00:40:24
before you even start. And
00:40:25
>> what do you what do you make of that? I
00:40:27
personally I think some of it's probably
00:40:29
tall poppy and part of it's pro part of
00:40:31
it maybe come maybe comes from a good
00:40:33
place.
00:40:33
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:34
>> Yeah. I think so. I think it does come
00:40:35
from a good place sometimes cuz your
00:40:37
parents are the ones that are saying
00:40:38
that too you know like your parents want
00:40:40
the best for you and then when they hear
00:40:42
about like these things they're like you
00:40:45
can't do that mate. Like you need a real
00:40:46
job or you need this like those are
00:40:49
>> something to fall back on.
00:40:49
>> Yeah. You need something like you need
00:40:51
like a real job or Yeah. something to
00:40:53
fall back on.
00:40:54
>> A trade. Yeah. that was what my parents,
00:40:56
you know, got me into. And so when I
00:40:58
started the kickboxing training, um I
00:41:02
basically told them like, "Oh, I want to
00:41:03
join the army and this stuff's keeping
00:41:04
me fit for the army." Like, you know,
00:41:06
I'm doing all these runs and stuff. And
00:41:08
that was me like really just trying to
00:41:10
push my parents um you know,
00:41:12
expectations and what they wanted of me
00:41:14
to the side while I was actually doing
00:41:16
what I really wanted to do. And I had
00:41:18
felt like so liberated, bro. Like just
00:41:20
chasing what I wanted. I felt I was like
00:41:23
a mad man. like I didn't know anything
00:41:25
about um training regimes and camps and
00:41:28
like peing and stuff. And so I just
00:41:30
started training like ridiculous amount
00:41:32
like just stuff I'd seen on YouTube like
00:41:35
some Soviet Russian stuff. And because I
00:41:38
had no money, I I I um I was just doing
00:41:42
it all in my backyard and I would I
00:41:44
bought a boxing bag and I was trying to
00:41:48
train the techniques that I seen on
00:41:50
YouTube and I actually thought like, you
00:41:52
know, I was doing the right stuff. I was
00:41:54
watching all this martial arts videos
00:41:56
and yeah, just training like an absolute
00:41:58
idiot. Like when I think back back then,
00:42:00
like I had the heart for it and that was
00:42:02
the main thing. But yeah, I was training
00:42:03
like an idiot. And it wasn't until I
00:42:06
went into a real gym. I went into a real
00:42:10
martial arts like kickboxing gym and I
00:42:13
sparred for the first time and cuz I
00:42:15
look I look flash like I look like I
00:42:16
knew what I was doing. Um just cuz I'd
00:42:19
been refining my technique on my own. Um
00:42:24
and they threw me into sparring straight
00:42:25
away and I was like okay like let's see
00:42:27
how we go. Um, I've seen Vasili
00:42:30
Lomachenko or like you know someone do
00:42:32
this flash combo, seen Conor McGregor do
00:42:35
this and I tried it and I got absolutely
00:42:38
battered and and but I had already
00:42:41
like, you know, I'd moved into back home
00:42:44
with my parents. I sold everything I
00:42:46
had. I'd done everything I could to set
00:42:49
myself up for this dream. And I rolled
00:42:51
in the first day to spa and I got
00:42:53
smashed by a dude that was like 60
00:42:55
kilos. Like he just absolutely battered
00:42:57
me. My nose was bloody. Oh, I was like I
00:43:01
went in the car and I thought I was
00:43:02
about to cry because like, you know, I
00:43:04
got bashed up by these dudes that were
00:43:07
just amateurs, you know? They weren't
00:43:08
even like real like full-on
00:43:10
professionals. And I just couldn't
00:43:12
believe it. And I just went like, "Wow,
00:43:15
you've you've come this far. Like, you
00:43:17
might as well keep going." like that was
00:43:19
like, you know, you would look like a
00:43:21
bit of an idiot if you just left all you
00:43:23
left your job and done all this to chase
00:43:25
this dream and then um stop right on the
00:43:28
first like hurdle.
00:43:30
>> And so that's what that's what kept me
00:43:31
going. That's what pushed me back in.
00:43:33
And then I started to notice I would get
00:43:35
bashed up less and less and then it got
00:43:37
to a point where I started to take over
00:43:39
and that was when I started to like
00:43:40
really cement like in my head like this
00:43:43
is going to happen. And that was that
00:43:44
was when I told my parents like, "Oh,
00:43:47
I'm not going to go to the army." And
00:43:48
then yeah, it was it was a hard one. It
00:43:51
was a hard one cuz my mom was against
00:43:53
it. She But my dad saw everything that I
00:43:56
was putting towards it, like the
00:43:57
training. And my dad was like, "Oh,
00:43:59
let's just get him a first fight and see
00:44:01
what he does. That's all he does now, so
00:44:03
we might as well." And yeah, that that u
00:44:06
that's pretty much the start.
00:44:09
>> Yeah. in in those in those early days
00:44:12
when you first see Conor McGregor and
00:44:14
it's like sparks something in you.
00:44:15
>> Yeah.
00:44:16
>> So before you before you're honest to
00:44:17
your parents or anyone else but you know
00:44:19
in yourself you want to make the UFC
00:44:21
>> but you haven't verbalized it to anyone
00:44:23
else. What was what was your why? Is was
00:44:25
it was it money? Was it fame? Was it
00:44:27
self-respect? Was it validation from
00:44:29
others? Yeah, it was a like just bit of
00:44:32
purpose like
00:44:34
um because I had been going all along in
00:44:37
life as a just a mere sheep or just, you
00:44:40
know, I it was just something I'd been
00:44:42
longing for. And it was something that
00:44:45
no one was really around in my
00:44:48
neighborhood. And so, you know, I didn't
00:44:50
have to listen to people say like, "Oh,
00:44:52
no. I've done that. You know, that that
00:44:54
doesn't work. You know, you can't go
00:44:56
this route." It was just something that
00:44:58
was completely fresh and to my mind and
00:45:01
to all my friends and stuff. And I I
00:45:03
become a bit of a hermit. Like I I
00:45:05
stopped seeing all of my friends. And I
00:45:07
just basically I become like the
00:45:10
ultimate loner. Like I was like just a
00:45:12
lone man on a mission. And I had one
00:45:15
friend that I used to hang out with and
00:45:17
he just like he was like, "Fuck this
00:45:20
guy's crazy." Like he he he's crazy.
00:45:23
Like he couldn't believe it. He was just
00:45:25
like he almost like enjoyed watching
00:45:27
watching me do everything. Like he he'd
00:45:29
sometimes help me with like pads and
00:45:31
weight cuts and stuff. But um when I
00:45:34
when I had my first fight and I won,
00:45:36
then he was like, "Wow, this is this is
00:45:38
this could be something, you know." And
00:45:40
um yeah, just kept knocking him down.
00:45:42
But uh yeah, that's basically Yeah.
00:45:46
>> So from the age of basically since
00:45:48
you've been a man, from the age of 18 to
00:45:50
now, it's been a real Spartan sort of
00:45:51
existence, hasn't it?
00:45:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My whole like youth
00:45:54
life till now is just I've just I've
00:45:57
literally
00:45:58
>> lived in a gym and just been sweating
00:46:01
sweating my body out like
00:46:03
>> putting my body through hell for Yeah.
00:46:07
10 years straight, man. 10 years
00:46:09
straight and another years to come. Like
00:46:12
nothing's changed. Like I've I was
00:46:14
training like a mad man back then and
00:46:17
still am now. And
00:46:19
>> yeah, it's just honestly it's the
00:46:21
experiences I've had has just been
00:46:23
crazy. Yeah.
00:46:26
>> Did you did you put a line in the sand
00:46:28
for reaching your goals? Like did you
00:46:30
ever go, "Okay, if I'm not in the UFC by
00:46:32
25, 30, whatever."
00:46:35
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I did. I think when I was
00:46:37
when I won King of the Ring at 23, I
00:46:39
hadn't actually started any MMA
00:46:41
training. Um my goal was to just create
00:46:44
something um like become something at
00:46:47
least
00:46:49
established in in martial art because
00:46:52
I'd watched Israel. I saw that he he he
00:46:55
I basically tried to follow his
00:46:56
blueprint from what I'd seen on on the
00:46:59
YouTube and uh all the access I had on
00:47:02
him. Um I was like, "Okay, this is the
00:47:04
blueprint. Okay, he won King of the
00:47:07
Ring, so I'm going to I'm setting my
00:47:08
goal to win King of the Ring." And the
00:47:10
guy I was training under, he was a King
00:47:12
of the Ring champion. So I was like
00:47:14
trying to tell him, ask him like, "How
00:47:16
do I get there?" Okay, so I got to beat
00:47:18
all the best guys on the local scene. I
00:47:20
did that, smashed everyone. I become a
00:47:22
local champion and then it was like, you
00:47:25
know, then you got to become a
00:47:26
professional and then I done that and
00:47:27
then I won I got onto the King of the
00:47:30
Ring and I actually lost my first King
00:47:31
of the Ring tournament. But I I was only
00:47:34
21 and I had like six fights and had
00:47:37
been doing it for two years. So, um, you
00:47:40
know, I knock it knocked me back a bit,
00:47:41
but it reinforced like, oh, I'm I'm
00:47:44
mixing with the best, so I did all
00:47:45
right.
00:47:46
>> You had evidence.
00:47:46
>> Yeah, I had evidence that I was I I was
00:47:49
semidecent. And so, I basically just
00:47:52
spun the block on that and just worked
00:47:54
on myself, got got some more titles, uh,
00:47:57
beat some more guys, and then went back
00:47:58
in and I won my first one. And so, I was
00:48:01
just basically just trying to model
00:48:03
everything on what Israel had done. And
00:48:06
then after I won there, I was think that
00:48:08
was when CO hit and I was thinking like,
00:48:10
okay, maybe I got to go overseas to
00:48:11
Thailand because I'd watched all the
00:48:13
access over there and they did like a
00:48:15
lot of tours in Thailand and and uh
00:48:18
Asia. They were fighting a lot in China
00:48:20
and they were rack I think the the
00:48:23
legend was like Israel had racked up
00:48:25
like 22 wins in a year in kickboxing,
00:48:28
which was insane. You got to be fighting
00:48:30
like once every two weeks. I think I was
00:48:32
trying to like I was trying to add it
00:48:33
up, tally it up in my head and it was
00:48:35
>> once every two weeks it' be 26 fights.
00:48:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it was like
00:48:39
almost almost that amount which is
00:48:41
insane. Like I and I used to be battered
00:48:44
after my kickboxing fights on my shins
00:48:46
and stuff. So I started to think like
00:48:47
how can I smash these guys without
00:48:49
getting any shin damage if I'm going to
00:48:52
win King in the ring and stuff like
00:48:53
that. Like cuz I just seen him do it
00:48:56
everything like that. and he he was he
00:48:58
he was smashing everyone like it's
00:49:01
insane and I was basically trying to do
00:49:03
that and so when co hit it was like I
00:49:06
couldn't I couldn't go overseas I was I
00:49:08
was I had planned to go to Thailand and
00:49:10
stuff and instead I ended up coming to
00:49:13
Auckland um and that was when I met
00:49:15
Eugene and I was like cuz in my head I I
00:49:19
he had made it by I think 29 and 30 so
00:49:22
that was when I was thinking about
00:49:23
making it so I put six years of
00:49:25
kickboxing fights and MMA training to
00:49:28
eventually get me there like 2930 and um
00:49:32
yeah I basically talked to huge after
00:49:34
winning King of the Ring and I said oh
00:49:36
hey mate like I know you don't know me
00:49:39
and that but um basically I've been
00:49:42
trying to follow Israel's career and
00:49:44
just do what you guys have done. I've
00:49:46
been training myself and I've had some
00:49:49
people help me on the way. Um but
00:49:51
basically I want to be in the UFC. I
00:49:53
just want to know how how how I can get
00:49:55
there. um I'm thinking about going
00:49:57
overseas and doing some training there
00:49:59
and you just basically just stopped me
00:50:01
in my tracks. He's like, "Oh, if you
00:50:03
come here to train, I'll get you there
00:50:05
in two, three years." And I was like,
00:50:07
"Two, three years." Like in my head, I
00:50:09
was thinking five or six. So when I
00:50:12
heard two and three years, I was like,
00:50:14
"Sign me up." Like, you know, he was
00:50:16
like, "Just just just judging from like
00:50:18
what I've seen of your skills." And he
00:50:20
asked me like if I'd done a bit of
00:50:21
grappling. I said, "Oh, I' done some
00:50:23
jiu-jitsu and I'm a blue belt and this
00:50:25
and that." And yeah, he basically said
00:50:28
gave me like to two or three year mark
00:50:30
he would get me he'll get me ready uh
00:50:33
for the UFC. Um and yeah, right at the
00:50:36
third year mark it was when I got in. I
00:50:38
because I moved in at 2021 was 23 years
00:50:41
old and then just got straight into MMA
00:50:44
training and had my first fight at like
00:50:47
24 I think. Yeah, 24 MMA and then yeah,
00:50:50
was just home free from there. Just just
00:50:52
basically followed exactly everything he
00:50:56
said. I think he basically just was
00:50:58
like, "Oh, choke the whole Asia thing."
00:51:00
Like, "We done all the stuff that you
00:51:01
don't need to do, so we'll just speedrun
00:51:04
you to UFC." And that's basically what
00:51:06
he did. Yeah. And uh got me there and
00:51:09
yeah, he kept his promise to me and
00:51:11
yeah, I've just put my whole career in
00:51:14
his hands now.
00:51:15
>> Right on track. That's amazing. So for
00:51:18
anyone that that doesn't you so you won
00:51:20
um King of the Ring twice. For anyone
00:51:21
that doesn't know, what is what is the
00:51:22
King of the Ring tournament?
00:51:24
>> Yeah. So the King of the Ring tournament
00:51:25
is like basically a kickboxing
00:51:28
tournament which is like striking um
00:51:31
like punches, kicks, knees, and you
00:51:34
fighting three times in one night. So
00:51:35
it's like a quarterfinal sort of
00:51:38
eight-man eliminator. So you come in
00:51:40
basically to be selected for it you got
00:51:42
to be like one of the big big fighters
00:51:45
in the country at the time. Um so
00:51:48
national belts, think national bouts,
00:51:50
overseas experience, all that thing to
00:51:53
be selected for um the tournament. And
00:51:56
um yeah, you fight quarterfinal,
00:51:59
everyone goes through the quarters and
00:52:00
then you come out and you're resting for
00:52:02
like maybe like half an hour before
00:52:04
you're um going out to fight again the
00:52:07
semi-final and then you do if you win
00:52:09
that then you come back and rest again
00:52:11
and then you usually the second time
00:52:13
after the semi-final. The rest is like
00:52:16
you know 20 30 minutes. It's not long at
00:52:18
all. Um, and then you're going back out
00:52:21
into the final and fighting for $10,000,
00:52:23
which you know is a lot of money um, in
00:52:26
New Zealand. And yeah, basically I done
00:52:28
that twice. I won it won it twice in two
00:52:31
different weight divisions. So I won the
00:52:32
92 kilo 8man and the 100 kilo eightman.
00:52:36
So um, some big boys and yeah, those are
00:52:39
huge huge achievements. Basically, when
00:52:40
you win that, all eyes on New Zealand
00:52:43
martial arts is all on you and so they
00:52:46
really want to know what you're going to
00:52:47
do next. And that was where I kind of
00:52:49
gathered the audience and told everyone
00:52:51
my aspirations of becoming a UFC fighter
00:52:54
and everyone in the country and that
00:52:56
that followed the sport at the time,
00:52:58
they were just basically eyes on me like
00:53:00
glue, you know.
00:53:02
>> But yeah.
00:53:03
>> And what's the um what's the big
00:53:06
difference going from um fighting in a
00:53:07
kickboxing in a ring to fighting in an
00:53:09
octagon?
00:53:10
>> Oh man, it's huge difference. when I
00:53:12
would when I fought in a ring, I I got
00:53:15
to a point where I would become so
00:53:17
chilled and relaxed. Um because I'd just
00:53:20
done it so many times, you know, if you
00:53:22
get if I never got knocked down, but
00:53:24
like if you got dropped or something,
00:53:26
you know, you could take a knee and give
00:53:28
yourself an 8 count. Um you got like,
00:53:31
you know, a few chances, you know,
00:53:33
before you get finished and stuff. And
00:53:35
it's really like, you know, you can you
00:53:38
can you can be calm because you can rest
00:53:39
on the ropes and stuff. When I changed
00:53:42
to MMA, my first MMA fight, it is a
00:53:45
complete different experience. Like it
00:53:48
is so daunting, you know, like a slip
00:53:51
could a slip in the cage could end you.
00:53:54
Like you're going in the the
00:53:56
environment, you can see the fans, you
00:53:58
know, everyone's roaring. Just the
00:54:00
brutalness of it. The the 4 oz gloves is
00:54:03
a huge change as well. Like you're
00:54:04
putting the fours on and you're just
00:54:06
like, man, like this is this is like
00:54:08
some life or death stuff. And yeah, you
00:54:11
feel like a gladiator. Like it's like it
00:54:13
it is like that. It's it's it's brutal
00:54:16
and can be like some guys are just
00:54:20
winning just from pure aggression. And
00:54:21
like I've seen the most skillful guys
00:54:23
get finished. And I think it's like that
00:54:25
punches chance a little bit. Um adds to
00:54:28
the fear factor. Like you I had the
00:54:31
skills in the kickboxing. I was able to
00:54:33
clear my opponents. But in the MMA, like
00:54:36
you could be clearing a guy and still
00:54:39
get chinned and that that that always um
00:54:42
yeah, puts puts you on your heels a
00:54:44
little bit mentally.
00:54:48
>> Yes. Say um that happened in Seattle um
00:54:51
and and you don't win the fight. Like
00:54:53
what would that mean? It's it's it's a
00:54:55
setback, right?
00:54:56
>> Yeah. Is it? It's a setback like
00:54:59
>> But it's not the end of the world.
00:55:00
>> It's not the end of the world. No. No.
00:55:01
I've I've lost before um in kickboxing,
00:55:04
so I know exactly how losing feels. Um
00:55:08
and yeah, it's not nice. It's not nice
00:55:10
at all. Like I'm a I have a winner's
00:55:12
mindset. Like I'm there to win, man.
00:55:14
Every time. I don't just go out there to
00:55:16
give it a crack, you know? I'm I'm I'm
00:55:18
actually there to be the best. And um
00:55:21
losing almost isn't doesn't even cross
00:55:23
my mind. Like losing isn't an option for
00:55:26
me. I don't think about when I look at
00:55:28
my paycheck. Oh, like, you know, I'll
00:55:30
get this much if I win. I'm like, no,
00:55:32
this is the amount I I I'm getting. And
00:55:36
um yeah, it's it's not a it's not an
00:55:38
option for me. And I it's been years
00:55:40
since I've last lost. And yeah, I still
00:55:43
remember the pain from losing. I I I
00:55:46
hate it, man. I It really took took me
00:55:48
It took a lot out of me. Um but I came I
00:55:51
bounced back and um yeah I've I've got
00:55:54
the lessons from the from losing for
00:55:56
sure.
00:55:57
>> Have you like um I I watched so many
00:55:59
highlights of your career and you've um
00:56:01
there is some sickening knockouts like
00:56:03
where you've hit guys on the chin and
00:56:04
they've just they've been unconscious
00:56:06
before they even hit the floor. Yeah.
00:56:08
>> Have you ever had like a bad loss like
00:56:09
that?
00:56:10
>> No. No. I've never actually been knocked
00:56:11
out before.
00:56:12
>> So you don't know what that does to a
00:56:13
person's
00:56:14
>> I don't I actually don't. No, no, I've
00:56:17
um you know, I've seen it happen in the
00:56:19
sport and I know it can happen at any
00:56:21
time like for myself and um yeah,
00:56:24
especially now being in the UFC, man.
00:56:25
Like, everyone's been finished and
00:56:28
knocked out in the UFC and I've seen
00:56:30
fighters come back from it and I've
00:56:31
seen, you know, guys just shug it off
00:56:33
because I've had it happen plenty of
00:56:35
times and
00:56:36
>> yeah, that's put me at ease, man. And
00:56:38
>> um yeah, I'll do whatever it takes to
00:56:40
not get knocked out, that's for sure.
00:56:42
And I feel like I with my style and the
00:56:44
way I fight, like I'm I'm very defensive
00:56:46
first. I'm defensive minded. And I'm the
00:56:49
same way in the training room and the
00:56:51
way I look after myself, like I really
00:56:53
take care of my chin. And I don't get I
00:56:56
actually don't spar very hard at all.
00:56:57
Like most of the guys at the gym know
00:56:59
I'm like one of the more nicer guys to
00:57:01
spar. Um which is quite funny, you know,
00:57:04
being like a really big big guy. Like
00:57:06
people are very scared of me sometimes
00:57:08
at the gym. But I'm actually probably
00:57:10
one of the nicer guys at city kickboxing
00:57:12
in the spa. And um yeah, I always think
00:57:15
about like injuries and stuff and I
00:57:17
don't want to get injured and I've never
00:57:18
had a concussion in that either. Wow.
00:57:20
>> Like I've I've just I don't know. I've
00:57:22
been blessed and lucky to to not take
00:57:25
any big knocks and I think Yeah, just
00:57:28
it's my style. Like I make correct
00:57:30
decisions. Um I'm very calm under
00:57:33
pressure. I think that's another thing.
00:57:35
like I don't just go like I'll stuff it
00:57:37
and bite down and just put my chin on
00:57:39
the line. I I really look after myself
00:57:42
in the gym and um in the cage and stuff
00:57:45
in the on fight night as well. Like I
00:57:47
barely barely get hit at all on fight
00:57:49
night. So yeah, if that if that doesn't
00:57:51
say anything then yeah um you know it's
00:57:54
I think that kind of favor is in my in
00:57:56
my way in terms of keeping my chin
00:57:58
healthy and living a long long career.
00:58:01
>> Who who's going over non-fighting? Are
00:58:04
your parents going over? Yeah,
00:58:05
>> for my fight. Um, yeah. No, man. My my
00:58:08
parents have only been to the fights
00:58:09
that I've been in Aussie
00:58:12
>> and I think my debut, my dad came to
00:58:15
Tampa, Florida, but um for this one um
00:58:19
now they they'll be watching at home.
00:58:21
Yeah, they can't can't get enough time
00:58:23
or have the money to come all the way
00:58:25
over to Seattle. But yeah, I always we
00:58:28
always talk about it and like when I
00:58:30
become a champion, I'll be able to bring
00:58:31
them over, have the money to bring my
00:58:33
family over to watch because they when I
00:58:36
was fighting locally, they went to like
00:58:38
almost every single fight I ever had. So
00:58:41
yeah, it's cool to have parents that
00:58:43
really love seeing you do the sport,
00:58:48
>> man. That's so cool.
00:58:49
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz some people don't, man.
00:58:50
Some people have parents and they can't
00:58:52
watch, you know, they can't watch. I've
00:58:53
talked to my some of my friends like
00:58:55
they their parents have never watched
00:58:57
them fight or they they can't watch or
00:58:59
something and my my parents look at it
00:59:01
different like they love it. They love
00:59:03
fighting. They love watching me fight
00:59:05
and you know I just say to them like you
00:59:08
know if I get knocked out in there just
00:59:09
know I'm I wouldn't want to be anywhere
00:59:12
else and that puts them puts them at
00:59:14
ease you know and you know everything
00:59:16
will be all right. So
00:59:17
>> still can't be easy for your mom.
00:59:20
>> No my mom my mom loves it man. She she
00:59:21
also feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feel feel feel
00:59:22
feel feel feel feel feel feels uh feels
00:59:24
bad for the other guy, you know. That's
00:59:26
straight up that's how my mom is. So
00:59:30
yeah, it's good.
00:59:30
>> Have you got a you got a partner or
00:59:32
anything or are you just totally
00:59:34
>> Yeah. Yeah, I have a partner. She she um
00:59:36
helps me out along uh a lot. um we've
00:59:39
been on and off for like for years and
00:59:42
so yeah now I've feel like in this year
00:59:45
and terms of my relationship I've really
00:59:47
locked in with her and um yeah she's
00:59:50
helped she's helping me a lot you know
00:59:53
just become smarter and making better
00:59:57
life choices and stuff as well.
00:59:59
>> What do you mean? It sounds like you all
01:00:00
your life choices have been based around
01:00:02
fighting and
01:00:03
>> self-disipline,
01:00:03
>> but you can always be better, you know,
01:00:05
and um yeah, it's been good to, you
01:00:08
know, really lock in this year. I feel
01:00:10
like last year, even though I've done I
01:00:12
did well and fought well, um there was a
01:00:14
lot of things I felt like I could have
01:00:15
done better. I let the party life and
01:00:17
stuff come come to me a bit too much
01:00:19
last year and yeah, I definitely felt
01:00:22
its drawbacks as well, you know, like I
01:00:24
still always never let anything get in
01:00:26
the way of fighting, but um yeah, I
01:00:29
think this year I just like I really
01:00:31
want to be a great champion, you know? I
01:00:34
don't want to I don't want to just like
01:00:36
I I want to like maximize my potential,
01:00:39
you know? I feel like I owe it to to my
01:00:43
coaches, to myself, and just to the fans
01:00:46
of and everyone in New Zealand cuz I
01:00:49
feel like everyone does back me. They've
01:00:51
they've seen what what I see. Like a lot
01:00:53
of the American fan base and stuff, they
01:00:55
don't they don't really like think I'm
01:00:57
that good, but everyone here knows I'm
01:01:00
that good, you know, and and I believe
01:01:02
it, too. And I really want to maximize
01:01:05
my potential. and my partner um she's
01:01:08
she's um been on that board with me as
01:01:11
well and I feel like I can really go far
01:01:14
in this sport and become yeah one of the
01:01:16
greats man of the great
01:01:18
I'll die trying you know doing that so
01:01:21
>> um yeah that's that's something I've
01:01:24
I've looked at for this year for sure
01:01:27
>> what would she say you like to be around
01:01:29
like this close to a fight two weeks out
01:01:31
where you're training three times a day
01:01:32
you're coming home exhausted beaten up
01:01:34
>> yeah pretty cranky.
01:01:36
>> Pretty cranky. She's she's actually been
01:01:38
away. She's been away on holiday for
01:01:40
like 3 weeks. So, deliberately.
01:01:42
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, she's um
01:01:44
>> yeah, she's kind of dodged uh helping me
01:01:47
out like cooking and stuff. She usually
01:01:48
like cooks all my meals and um yeah,
01:01:52
takes care of me. So, uh yeah, now like
01:01:56
I've had to do all that myself, you
01:01:57
know, which is all good, but I've been
01:02:00
in my own sort of space. So I'm like,
01:02:02
you know, I'm just dealing with things
01:02:04
my own and and it's quite nice, you
01:02:07
know, as well. So, um, cuz I've been
01:02:09
doing it on my own for so long as well,
01:02:11
I don't need to rely on someone, but it
01:02:13
was it is nice to have a helping hand.
01:02:16
>> I I noticed, um, like a change in your,
01:02:18
I don't know, demeanor or body language
01:02:19
or something when you talk about her,
01:02:21
like you sort of soften a little bit.
01:02:22
Did you Yeah. So, how did you meet? You
01:02:25
met on the apps or
01:02:26
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we actually met in a
01:02:28
fight show. Oh, we didn't meet at a
01:02:30
fight show. Sorry. So, she seen me at a
01:02:33
fight show. Um, I was there basically
01:02:35
helping um one of my teammates
01:02:39
um teammates fight and um she she she
01:02:43
actually went to school with one of my
01:02:44
teammates, but she was there as like an
01:02:46
influencer sort of thing. And um one of
01:02:49
her friends that she was there with, he
01:02:51
was like, "Oh man, this guy's the man."
01:02:53
like the guy in the in your the bro's
01:02:56
corner, he's he's he's like, you know,
01:02:58
king of the ring champion. He's like
01:03:01
this and that. And she didn't know
01:03:02
anything about me. And so, um, you know,
01:03:04
she was like, "Whoa, who's this guy?"
01:03:06
You know, and then so she had followed
01:03:08
me and then, you know, I thought she was
01:03:10
good-looking and stuff. And so I
01:03:12
followed her and then yeah, I just
01:03:14
basically just sent her a message cuz I
01:03:16
seen she was doing like a bit of fight
01:03:18
training and that and I just said good
01:03:20
luck and stuff and yeah, she just
01:03:22
replied and yeah, we just kind of kicked
01:03:25
off from there and um
01:03:26
>> on the old DM slide.
01:03:28
>> Yeah. Yeah, it was the old good old DM
01:03:30
slide. So yeah, no, it was um yeah,
01:03:33
she's been amazing, man. She's done so
01:03:36
much for me over the years and yeah,
01:03:38
it's cool to see where we're going to go
01:03:40
and yeah, she's she backs me 100% to
01:03:45
become a champion. So, yeah.
01:03:47
>> Who is she? Is she an influencer?
01:03:49
>> Uh, no. No, she's not an influencer, but
01:03:51
um her name's Shannon. Yeah.
01:03:52
>> Yeah,
01:03:53
>> she's cool.
01:03:54
>> Oh, awesome. Is she going to Seattle or
01:03:56
>> No, no, no. She
01:03:57
>> Is it just too expensive?
01:03:58
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. She I said I'd probably
01:04:02
bring her over sometime soon, but yeah,
01:04:04
it's just a bit expensive. Um you got a
01:04:07
lot of bills to pay and stuff, so and
01:04:09
she's got work and that as well. So,
01:04:11
she's waiting for me to like really make
01:04:13
it and retire her from work sort of
01:04:15
thing and
01:04:16
>> become full-time just
01:04:19
helping me full-time. What do they call
01:04:22
it? Wag. Wag and girlfriend.
01:04:24
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They call it the wag.
01:04:26
So, she she's she's looking for the wag
01:04:28
lifestyle. So yeah, I'm doing the best I
01:04:31
can to provide for her.
01:04:33
>> Not the not the Dan Hooker sort of wife
01:04:34
and girlfriend, right?
01:04:36
>> No, man. Just just a full Yeah. full
01:04:39
wag. Oh,
01:04:40
>> actually at the the time we're recording
01:04:41
this, it was just yesterday that um Dan
01:04:44
came out with a statement with his story
01:04:46
of events. He's been in the news the
01:04:47
last couple of weeks.
01:04:48
>> He's been on the podcast, by the way.
01:04:50
One of my favorite alltime guests.
01:04:51
>> Yeah. Yeah. I watched that one. Yeah.
01:04:52
>> Such an engaging guy. when when
01:04:54
something like that's going on, you go
01:04:56
to city kickboxing like does everyone
01:04:58
sort of like talk about it and gossip
01:05:01
about it or you just don't care?
01:05:02
>> Everyone's everyone doesn't really care
01:05:04
like I mean it's not none of my business
01:05:06
bro you know so I just I turn the other
01:05:09
way you know I don't I don't I don't
01:05:10
really yeah care about gossip and things
01:05:13
that you know just just a woman's trait
01:05:16
you know so I could care less about um
01:05:19
those sort of things. cuz I'm just
01:05:20
focused on myself and I've got the big
01:05:21
fight coming up and that's all I really
01:05:23
care about. Yeah.
01:05:26
>> Yeah. It's funny. I I had a guy on the
01:05:27
podcast um completely unrelated to Dan,
01:05:30
but this guy Campbell Johnston who's
01:05:31
come out a couple of years ago is the
01:05:33
first
01:05:34
>> um openly gay All black.
01:05:35
>> Yeah.
01:05:35
>> Um and I I said, "Oh, did you feel when
01:05:38
you were playing um did you feel like
01:05:40
uncomfortable like and is that why you
01:05:42
stayed in the closet?" And he goes, "No,
01:05:43
mate. When you're in the All Blacks, no
01:05:44
one [ __ ] cares. Like you're focusing
01:05:46
on that weekend's game. That's all that
01:05:48
matters. No one gives a [ __ ] about your
01:05:49
private life at all.
01:05:51
>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like I mean Yeah.
01:05:53
I mean with fighting man, you're just so
01:05:55
locked in like
01:05:57
>> so locked in on on your task and just
01:06:00
small bickering and what's going on as
01:06:02
long as it doesn't affect like your
01:06:04
training and stuff. It it really doesn't
01:06:07
matter, you know? It really doesn't
01:06:08
matter. So yeah, it's that's just how I
01:06:10
am.
01:06:10
>> Yeah. And Dan's a great human. So who
01:06:12
who gives a [ __ ] about anything else?
01:06:14
>> So let's talk about the first time you
01:06:15
meet your heroes. So you you you're this
01:06:18
kickboxing star. Yeah.
01:06:19
>> Yeah. You come to City Kickboxing. You
01:06:21
meet with Eugene. He tells you two to
01:06:23
three years you'll be in the UFC.
01:06:24
>> Then when do you when do you get to meet
01:06:27
um like Izzy for example who you've
01:06:29
grown up watching? But actually
01:06:30
following his Yeah. When do you tell him
01:06:32
you've been following his
01:06:33
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't. That's the
01:06:34
thing. I try to be like too cool, you
01:06:36
know? I try to be like, "Oh, you know,
01:06:38
what's up, Izzy?" You know, like I was
01:06:40
like, "Oh my god, is this is this the
01:06:42
style vendor?" Like I couldn't believe
01:06:44
it. like he he'll probably laugh at that
01:06:46
like now. Um
01:06:47
>> so he still doesn't know this.
01:06:48
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He still doesn't
01:06:49
notice. I think he he watched one of my
01:06:51
interviews back for engage and he was
01:06:53
like he saw the way I talked about him
01:06:55
and like he didn't realize that I like
01:06:57
fully like loaded in everything that he
01:07:01
done and cuz I was telling his brother
01:07:03
cuz his brother was was the one filming
01:07:04
David
01:07:05
>> and and even David was like shocked you
01:07:07
know and I was like man you and I I've
01:07:10
I've talked to Israel you know just like
01:07:12
casually and I've told him like I've
01:07:14
watched bro I've literally watched every
01:07:16
fight and I was like I could literally
01:07:18
name you like fights that you probably
01:07:20
don't even remember, you know. And I did
01:07:22
I brought them up and I talked to him
01:07:23
about them and yeah, he was just shocked
01:07:25
and but yeah, like that's how I was when
01:07:28
I came to the gym. I just tried to be
01:07:30
chill cuz I realized I had like that
01:07:33
parasocial relationship with him and
01:07:35
that he didn't even know a thing about
01:07:37
me and so I didn't want to like creep
01:07:39
him out or anything. Um, it was same
01:07:42
with Carlos as well. Carlos like he was
01:07:44
the first like big guy I seen like sort
01:07:47
of similar build to mine and he was in
01:07:49
the same tournament as me. Um when I met
01:07:53
him I was like trying not to be you know
01:07:55
too crazy as well like but I basically
01:07:58
idolized both those guys you know I'd
01:07:59
modeled my whole career around both of
01:08:01
them and um to now train with them it
01:08:04
was it was hard for me to not kick my
01:08:07
feet in the air. Um,
01:08:09
but yeah, it was just like one one of
01:08:11
those things where I talked to my mom
01:08:13
and dad like I'm I'm doing it. I'm
01:08:15
living the dream, man. I'm I'm I'm here
01:08:17
with the right people. I'm mixing in
01:08:19
with the right environment and I'm going
01:08:22
to be where I've talked about and yeah,
01:08:25
from that point on actually just meeting
01:08:27
them and training them, I had solidified
01:08:29
that I was going to be a UFC fighter.
01:08:31
just the way the everything was stacked
01:08:34
up like how old I was and all the fights
01:08:37
I'd been getting and the experience
01:08:39
because you have something to measure it
01:08:40
to you know you've got a guy that is a
01:08:42
UFC champion at the current time and
01:08:45
you're doing you're training with this
01:08:47
dude and you're taking him down or you
01:08:49
know you're having competitive rounds
01:08:50
with that guy you know it really
01:08:52
reinforces your confidence like you're
01:08:54
like
01:08:54
>> you're good enough to be
01:08:55
>> Yeah. Yeah. cuz I prior years prior I'd
01:08:58
always been like I don't I know I'm good
01:08:59
like I back myself but I don't know how
01:09:01
I don't know what the world the world
01:09:03
league is like what fighters in Brazil
01:09:06
are like or like I I'm watching the
01:09:09
fight and I think I can beat this guy
01:09:11
but I don't actually know you know how
01:09:13
good they are or what or whatn not and
01:09:15
to finally train with Israel who was
01:09:17
like cooking dudes at the not just being
01:09:20
the champion but absolutely destroying
01:09:22
dudes on the top it was like fully
01:09:25
reinforced in I had like that I knew
01:09:26
what I was doing like I knew that I ran
01:09:28
that you know and um yeah to train with
01:09:32
them both and I mean even now with
01:09:34
Carlos like fighting for the title
01:09:37
>> is even reinforced more because I know
01:09:41
um how I stack up with the bro and and
01:09:43
um when we train together and stuff and
01:09:46
to see him kill it at the top stage it
01:09:49
yeah definitely reinforces in my head.
01:09:52
Do you remember your very first
01:09:53
conversation with Israel at?
01:09:55
>> No. No. I can't remember my first
01:09:58
conversation with him. I was just like
01:10:00
went back to the way I was as a kid.
01:10:02
Like I was just super shy like oh, you
01:10:05
know, I was just like lost for words a
01:10:06
little and stuff and I just tried not to
01:10:09
be too starruck when I was with him. Um
01:10:13
but yeah, I remember our first sparring.
01:10:15
Um, yeah. I didn't I I almost like
01:10:18
watched so much footage of him and then
01:10:21
when I seen him doing the technique
01:10:23
against me, I knew what was coming. Like
01:10:25
I knew every shot that was coming. I
01:10:27
knew where he'd step back, everything.
01:10:30
And like I felt like I could like beat
01:10:32
him at the time, but you know, I didn't
01:10:34
I wanted to be respectful and then he
01:10:36
told me we could go hard. He like kind
01:10:39
of was like, "No, no, let's go hard.
01:10:40
You're being respectful." And then Yeah.
01:10:42
And then I tried to go hard on him and
01:10:43
he just like toasted me, man. I was
01:10:45
like, man, it's just like it was just
01:10:48
crazy to see it like live in person when
01:10:50
you'd been watching every single thing
01:10:52
on the guy and then he's doing it and
01:10:55
then Yeah, seeing it come at real time
01:10:57
was just insane.
01:10:59
>> Oh man, that that is so unreal.
01:11:01
>> Yeah, it is. It's unreal.
01:11:02
>> I was going to I was going to ask you
01:11:03
about that. Like the first time you spar
01:11:05
with say like an Israelis or a Carlos or
01:11:07
a Dan um you does it make you realize
01:11:10
that you've got a long way to go or you
01:11:12
realize oh I'm supposed to be here? It
01:11:13
sounds like
01:11:14
>> for me it was like yeah I'm supposed to
01:11:16
be here. It was like you know like they
01:11:18
still you know always had the better of
01:11:20
me but it was just like you know I'm
01:11:22
only young like I'm 23. I'm like almost
01:11:25
half these guys age and I'm I'm still
01:11:28
like you know competitive like I'm not
01:11:30
just getting toasted. I'm I'm I'm right
01:11:32
up there. And yeah, like that's pretty
01:11:35
much how it's been since since joining
01:11:37
City Kickboxing. And yeah, I'm coming
01:11:40
out to a point now where a lot my
01:11:41
confidence is really starting to push up
01:11:43
and thrive.
01:11:45
>> And Israel must have um liked you
01:11:47
because he flew you to some of his UFC
01:11:50
fights in the US um as as well like as a
01:11:52
pre-fight sort of training partner.
01:11:54
>> Yeah. Yeah. because I had been doing a
01:11:56
lot of training with him prior and then
01:11:58
um yeah he he had Alex Pereira who was
01:12:02
obviously a kickboxer and so I was big
01:12:05
part of his camp like as a body for him
01:12:07
to like visualize and so I sort of
01:12:10
adopted Tom of Pereira's style and the
01:12:13
way he I had to watch a lot of tape on
01:12:15
him and try and imitate like some of the
01:12:18
moves he would do and um yeah so when he
01:12:21
would had the fight he obviously flew
01:12:23
out two weeks early and brought me over
01:12:25
with him and and I'd never even left New
01:12:27
Zealand before. So for me, my
01:12:29
>> Not even Aussie?
01:12:30
>> No, not even Aussie. Not even Aussie. I
01:12:32
spent my whole life in the gym and in a
01:12:34
working environment. So I I never I
01:12:38
never traveled. I was always like, I'm
01:12:40
never going on a holiday until I make
01:12:42
it. And um yeah, when I when he flew me
01:12:46
over, I was like I was so shocked. Like
01:12:49
I almost didn't believe it. Like I was
01:12:51
like, "Oh, like you don't have to tell
01:12:53
me that, bro. Like it's all good." like,
01:12:54
you know, I don't mind staying at the
01:12:56
gym. And he's like, no, no, I'll bring
01:12:57
you over. Like, um, I got he's we need
01:12:59
your passport. Like, you got a passport?
01:13:01
And I was like, oh yeah. You know, that
01:13:02
was when it was real was when I seen my
01:13:04
flights. Couldn't believe it. I was
01:13:06
like, oh [ __ ] You know, and I'd never
01:13:09
flown international. So, I was bit
01:13:12
weirded out when I got to the the US
01:13:15
customs as well. Like, they're full on
01:13:17
there.
01:13:17
>> Oh, mate. So, they were that was scaring
01:13:20
me, you know.
01:13:20
>> You flying to LA or
01:13:21
>> uh we flew New York direct. New York
01:13:24
direct which was my first flight 18
01:13:26
hours. 18our direct business. No
01:13:30
economy. Economy. Economy.
01:13:31
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:32
>> I'm big dude. And I still fly economy.
01:13:35
So yeah, I was just cramped up. But I
01:13:38
mean it was around my birthday as well.
01:13:40
So for me that was like the biggest
01:13:42
birthday trip. Um just going there. And
01:13:45
the place we're staying we place we
01:13:47
staying in Bruce Wayne's mansion, mate.
01:13:49
Like it was like a Batman Batman's house
01:13:52
or something. Like we stayed in this big
01:13:54
mansion and there was like hundreds of
01:13:56
rooms. There was a massive basement. It
01:13:59
was like kind of like a castle look to
01:14:01
it as well.
01:14:02
>> Was it an Airbnb or a hotel?
01:14:04
>> It was like a house. It was like some
01:14:06
gynecologist's house like some real rich
01:14:08
dude like that was trying to sell it and
01:14:10
then he rented it out to Izzy's
01:14:13
management or something like that. like
01:14:14
I don't know how it all they all got it
01:14:16
all set up but it was a crazy pad and
01:14:19
that's where we were all staying and
01:14:20
yeah that that that moment was like huge
01:14:22
for me because I got to really I was so
01:14:25
like like shocked at everything I was
01:14:29
seeing like just the whole American
01:14:31
experience UFC cameras and stuff and I
01:14:34
feel like um not the reason why they
01:14:37
brought me there was because they knew I
01:14:39
was going to be there and you know I
01:14:41
feel like huge wanted me to um like
01:14:44
really see and experience all those
01:14:45
things so that when my time come it
01:14:47
wasn't um you know quite bright lights
01:14:50
like too too crazy for me
01:14:52
>> cuz um yeah that that stuff's real like
01:14:55
you can you can be just so sucked in
01:14:57
from the environment that you forget on
01:14:59
about like what you're actually there
01:15:00
for and um when I had finally made it
01:15:03
normalized all of that um the whole UFC
01:15:06
thing by the time I got my shot I I was
01:15:09
like I've been here 100 times before.
01:15:12
What did that trip um if anything teach
01:15:14
you about like professionalism and
01:15:16
success?
01:15:17
>> Yeah. Yeah, definitely like the
01:15:18
professionalism of the whole UFC. Um I
01:15:22
went through like different emotions
01:15:23
like every time that I went over on
01:15:27
tours with him. So the first time was
01:15:29
was like a eye opener. The second time
01:15:32
was like just like uh like I'd been
01:15:35
normalized um which is when we went to
01:15:38
Miami. And then the third time when we
01:15:39
went to Sydney, this was the last tour I
01:15:41
went on, I just said like it was that
01:15:45
third one was I was like sick of it.
01:15:46
Like I was like sick of being there for
01:15:49
someone else. Like I was like no, it's
01:15:51
got to be my time now. Like I can't see
01:15:54
this happen and then not be for me. Like
01:15:57
I almost didn't want to go on any more
01:15:59
tours because I wanted like I wanted
01:16:01
some stardom, like some spotlight. And
01:16:04
yeah, it was just that kind of that
01:16:05
third trip really like booted me up the
01:16:08
ass, you know, to
01:16:10
>> to get on my own stuff.
01:16:12
>> But what's um what's an afterparty a UFC
01:16:15
afterparty with Israelis like?
01:16:17
>> Oh, man. It's crazy. It's crazy, man.
01:16:19
Like I remember we went to Miami, I
01:16:23
think it was 11, I think. It was insane,
01:16:26
man. And I still got like footage from
01:16:29
that party that like I've watched
01:16:32
sometimes on my own just to like be
01:16:35
like, man, this is the life, you know?
01:16:37
We're talking like the whole clubs like
01:16:40
this is a crazy crazy club. Like no club
01:16:42
you get in New Zealand. Like it was
01:16:44
crazy. Just lights going off. There's
01:16:47
like bottle, you know, like people
01:16:49
throwing up confetti everywhere. and
01:16:52
he's just got the bell and I'm like
01:16:53
behind him like standing on the VIP area
01:16:56
and I'm like filming like the whole like
01:16:59
the whole sort of like area and and he's
01:17:02
just like holding up the bell. He's got
01:17:03
his walk out song playing. Everyone's
01:17:05
just going ballistic. This Yeah, things
01:17:07
going crazy. All our whole team's behind
01:17:10
him. everyone's like, you know, the
01:17:12
coaches are just like hugging each other
01:17:13
like everyone's just like so wrapped and
01:17:16
that was um yeah, I think when Israel
01:17:18
won the belt back off Pereira in Miami
01:17:21
and that was that was insane. That was
01:17:23
something that's like etched in my brain
01:17:26
like forever and
01:17:27
>> it's something that like yeah definitely
01:17:29
it you know makes you go like this is
01:17:33
the championship experience like this is
01:17:36
everything you want like and everything
01:17:38
you can you can work for that can be you
01:17:41
that can be you too and that that was
01:17:42
what I was like saying to myself you
01:17:44
know when I was seeing all that this is
01:17:46
all for the taking and and now that's
01:17:48
what all I think about is like becoming
01:17:51
you know a champion but having she being
01:17:53
able to re remake those moments of my
01:17:55
coaches again and and and my other
01:17:57
teammate young teammates, you know, the
01:18:00
like the young navs, you know, at the
01:18:02
gym, like just being able to do that for
01:18:04
them is something that I want to do. So,
01:18:07
yeah, it's been awesome.
01:18:08
>> Yeah. You said something before that um
01:18:11
stuck with me like about 10 minutes ago.
01:18:12
You said, "Oh, you you were never going
01:18:13
to go overseas or go on a holiday or
01:18:15
something until you made it."
01:18:16
>> Yeah.
01:18:16
>> What has made it?
01:18:18
>> Yeah. For me, it was like, yeah, getting
01:18:19
to the UFC was was definitely like the
01:18:22
first stepping stone to for me going on
01:18:26
a holiday cuz I'd see people go on
01:18:27
holiday and they'd come back to work and
01:18:29
they'd be like, man, back to reality,
01:18:31
you know? And I I didn't like that.
01:18:33
Like, I didn't I didn't want to come
01:18:34
back to reality, you know? I wanted to
01:18:36
grind and and really like work my way
01:18:39
for something before go before even
01:18:41
thinking about things on on holiday. So
01:18:44
I I went for my first holiday uh after
01:18:47
my UFC debut which was to Raatonga. Went
01:18:50
there for like 5 days and even then when
01:18:52
I was there for 5 days I was like just
01:18:55
itching to get back home to train. So
01:18:58
yeah it holidays was very hard for me.
01:19:00
It needs to be like a training holiday
01:19:02
like where I can actually train and
01:19:04
stuff as well or keep my mind sharp cuz
01:19:07
uh the full like when I went over to Ra
01:19:10
it's like you meet the island people and
01:19:12
the island life you know they're all on
01:19:14
island time like just feels like because
01:19:18
I'm ambitious bro you know and so I'm
01:19:20
there and it's just like just where
01:19:22
ambitious is gone you know everyone's
01:19:24
just chilling
01:19:26
>> but also if if you've if you're doing
01:19:28
something that you you love and you've
01:19:29
just got this red hot burning desire and
01:19:31
passion for then you know you don't need
01:19:33
a break from it.
01:19:34
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. And that's
01:19:36
it. And that's what I found like I
01:19:37
really love fighting like even when I've
01:19:39
finished my fight and the pressure of
01:19:42
the fight's over like you I still love
01:19:45
coming back to training and just
01:19:46
learning and the feeling like the the
01:19:48
the endorphins you get from like an
01:19:51
intense MMA session and sparring and
01:19:54
it's just like yeah like really makes
01:19:56
you feel feel good.
01:19:59
So 10 years now of chasing this dream.
01:20:01
Um what's the like the profit and loss
01:20:04
column like? Like how how much money
01:20:06
have you made much money? It must be the
01:20:07
worst hourly rate ever at this point.
01:20:09
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I've in recent like in
01:20:12
the recent year and stuff like I
01:20:13
wouldn't say I've made like loads of
01:20:15
money, but um I've made enough to like
01:20:17
support myself uh quite comfortably in
01:20:20
you know today's economy and that. And
01:20:22
um I've I'm still like very conservative
01:20:25
in the way I like spend money. Um, I try
01:20:29
to just set myself up for things that
01:20:32
are going to help me in the long run.
01:20:34
And I've I've over the years like in
01:20:36
just when I was coming up um my last for
01:20:40
like last year before making the UFC, I
01:20:42
met a lot of sponsors and stuff and
01:20:44
they've kind of been like my personal
01:20:46
advisory board sort of thing like for
01:20:49
you know managing uh you know my money
01:20:52
and making the right choices because I
01:20:55
had so many sponsors. I was like would
01:20:57
always um talk to them about, you know,
01:21:00
what do what do you think about this and
01:21:01
that and so I've got a whole plan set up
01:21:03
now like um trying to like yeah really
01:21:06
secure myself in that world and um yeah
01:21:11
just make sure I don't have to work
01:21:13
again and stuff and I'm not cuz the
01:21:14
thing is you you go so long uh to in the
01:21:18
sport with nothing and the last thing
01:21:21
you can think of is like coming out with
01:21:24
nothing. um you know cuz you can make
01:21:26
make some money in the sport and it's uh
01:21:29
you've got a short opportunity I think
01:21:30
just in athletes in general and so um
01:21:34
yeah my plan is to try to make sure that
01:21:36
I at least come out with something um
01:21:38
and that's pretty much where I'm at
01:21:40
right now is just I'm in like the
01:21:42
planning phase and trying to yeah set
01:21:44
myself up.
01:21:45
>> Oh, good on you. Is it is it public
01:21:47
knowledge or is it confidential how much
01:21:48
you get for the Seattle fight?
01:21:50
>> Yeah, it's confidential. Yeah.
01:21:52
>> Yeah. Um, a lot of fighters [ __ ] about
01:21:55
the UFC though and how they how they
01:21:56
structure the pay.
01:21:57
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've There's a lot of
01:22:00
talk about UFC pay. I guess when you
01:22:01
like compare it to like other
01:22:03
professional athletes. Um, you could
01:22:06
probably say that. Um, I don't know. I
01:22:08
don't know how I feel about it. Like I
01:22:10
don't I'm not much of a complainer.
01:22:13
Um, I've always just been like very
01:22:15
optimistic person and I look at like
01:22:18
this is what you get like okay and this
01:22:20
is how much you can get if you work
01:22:21
hard, you know? So, that's that's the
01:22:23
what I look at is I don't want to be
01:22:26
sitting here complaining about my pay. I
01:22:27
feel like I'm paid what I'm owed right
01:22:30
now and um I'll work towards more and
01:22:33
that's that's pretty much where I'm at,
01:22:35
where my manager's at and yeah, like I'm
01:22:38
happy where I am right now.
01:22:40
>> Seems like you're doing okay. When I had
01:22:42
your teammate, the Balkcon beer, Brenda
01:22:43
Perich, on he's talked about like um
01:22:46
sleeping in a Toyota Yarus and living in
01:22:48
a room at the back of the gym.
01:22:50
>> Yeah. just being a little bit smart. I
01:22:52
mean, I don't know what he does with his
01:22:53
money, bro. So, don't ask me that. But
01:22:57
yeah, I I I couldn't I couldn't do that,
01:23:00
man. I I need to That's why some homes
01:23:02
Yeah, I worked I worked um prior to my
01:23:05
to my um UFC thing cuz I needed a place
01:23:08
to stay. like I couldn't a lot of people
01:23:10
do do the whole um yeah just go all in
01:23:14
and live at the gym and sweep up the gym
01:23:16
but for me I know I need the the
01:23:19
separation I need to place to rest my
01:23:22
mind as well from the gym and yeah I
01:23:25
would that's why I always worked in make
01:23:27
sure I have my own place to come back to
01:23:29
and that gets me recharged to come back
01:23:31
to the gym hard
01:23:33
>> yeah part of me wondered if um Brando um
01:23:35
just loved the suffering like loved
01:23:37
showering with a hose and [ __ ] in a
01:23:39
cafe.
01:23:39
>> Yeah. Yeah. I feel like some people do
01:23:41
that. Like they do enjoy the grind. Like
01:23:43
it's like kind of rekicks them back in.
01:23:46
>> But um yeah, I don't know. I know how I
01:23:50
Yeah, I know how I feel. And I'm just
01:23:52
like, man, I want to I want to just
01:23:54
train hard and come be able to come home
01:23:56
to my own
01:23:58
>> safe space where I'm not being haunted
01:24:00
by a huge
01:24:02
>> this um relentless optimism of yours. Um
01:24:06
have you have you always been wired that
01:24:08
way? Is that something in your DNA or is
01:24:09
that something you
01:24:10
>> Definitely not. Definitely not. I think
01:24:13
um yeah, in my when I was young I
01:24:16
because I'd been around such negativity
01:24:19
and people like giving up and stuff. My
01:24:22
brother was real bad um when we were
01:24:24
kids like he was like a very big
01:24:27
complainer and whiner and um he used to
01:24:30
yeah reinforce like a lot of negativity
01:24:33
um on me as a kid um and some of my
01:24:36
friends and stuff too. And so I just
01:24:39
everything I'd learned from them growing
01:24:40
up like I I almost felt hopeless a
01:24:43
little bit like um just because I'd been
01:24:45
around so much negativity. I felt like I
01:24:47
couldn't pick something up without um
01:24:49
being shut down um straight away. And I
01:24:52
got sick of it, man. I just got sick of
01:24:54
being a victim. I felt like I had a
01:24:55
victim mentality through high school. I
01:24:58
used to be like, man, why don't I why am
01:25:00
I not talented or why didn't I get to go
01:25:03
to the good school to play rugby or, you
01:25:06
know, why I wasn't like a very
01:25:07
good-looking kid. I used to be like, oh,
01:25:09
why don't I get, you know, all the girls
01:25:11
and stuff like that. And, you know,
01:25:13
those are the kind of like a very victim
01:25:15
mentality, very weak. And I got I just
01:25:17
got sick of it. I got sick of it. when I
01:25:19
started working and I and I met Conor Mc
01:25:21
like, you know, seeing Conor McGregor,
01:25:23
the way he spoke and he was like, you
01:25:25
know, I'm going to make it with I want
01:25:26
to work with the things I have. That
01:25:28
that like really like inspired me. Like
01:25:30
I was like, man, this guy's from
01:25:32
Ireland. There's no like UFC fighters
01:25:34
from Ireland, Dublin, Ireland, and this
01:25:37
guy's working with what he's got, you
01:25:38
know, and he's so confident in himself.
01:25:40
And he he was like a man like possessed.
01:25:43
And I was like, man, if I could be like
01:25:46
that, like I'd never heard anyone speak
01:25:48
like that before. Like just been so like
01:25:50
strong mentally and to hear that uh I I
01:25:54
went on my own journey to build that
01:25:56
some sort of strength within. And I
01:25:58
started watching loads of podcasts and
01:26:00
and and all of that. I used to watch
01:26:02
like all of Joe Rogan stuff. And I'd uh
01:26:05
yeah listen to way like I I used to
01:26:07
listen to every all the McGregor
01:26:09
interviews and just like Kobe Bryant and
01:26:12
Cristiano Ronaldo and just all the and I
01:26:14
just really started to reinforce like
01:26:17
mental strength and just just like an
01:26:20
unwavering willpower and
01:26:22
>> um when I started to see that and
01:26:25
consume that sort of um stuff, it really
01:26:29
push put me put it into my head that I
01:26:31
was going to be someone And my brother
01:26:33
couldn't believe it. Like the way my
01:26:35
brother was. And he almost like took a
01:26:38
little digs at at my fighting, you know,
01:26:40
like he was like, you know, you do all
01:26:41
this fighting, but it's going nowhere,
01:26:43
you know? Like he he probably probably
01:26:46
heard him to hear me say that now. Like,
01:26:48
but he knows it's true. And I remember I
01:26:50
remember him saying that after like
01:26:52
maybe one or two of my fights. And then
01:26:54
I think it was like after like my third
01:26:56
one was when he realized like my
01:26:58
brother's unreal. like he's and the way
01:27:02
he talks about me now is completely
01:27:04
different to the way he was. And I've
01:27:06
almost changed him as a person um to
01:27:08
being like very optimistic and strong
01:27:10
and stuff cuz he's just been been around
01:27:13
me and he's seen me like do to him what
01:27:16
he thought thought was impossible. He's
01:27:18
seen me like achieve it many many times
01:27:21
in fights and tournaments and and he's
01:27:25
like been with me and I've told him like
01:27:27
watch this. I'm going to do this. I'm
01:27:28
going to be a champion. I'm going to be
01:27:30
this champion. I want to make a UFC.
01:27:32
Whatever it might have been. And he's
01:27:33
seen me go out there and do it. And he's
01:27:36
just like, "Bro, I can't believe it."
01:27:38
Like, you everything you say just turns
01:27:40
to gold, you know? And um that's just
01:27:44
pretty much how it's been since I've
01:27:47
left school and that. And yeah, when
01:27:49
when people meet my brother, they that's
01:27:52
he's always talking about me 100%.
01:27:55
>> Like just super proud of you now.
01:27:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's just super
01:27:58
proud of me now. Yeah, 100%.
01:27:59
>> I I've had um so many different people
01:28:01
on this podcast from all sorts of walks
01:28:02
of life and um I think anyone that
01:28:04
thinks really big um that sort of
01:28:06
teasing or mocking is something you have
01:28:08
to go through on on the road
01:28:10
>> to achieve your goal. Like um completely
01:28:11
different to you, but um this guy sir
01:28:13
Peter Beck from Invagle,
01:28:15
>> he's the founder of Rocket Lab, which is
01:28:17
um
01:28:18
>> he's he's up there with like Bezos and
01:28:20
Elon Musk sending rockets into space.
01:28:22
Like can you imagine a kid from the
01:28:23
ridicule he would have got?
01:28:25
>> Yeah, it's crazy. would have thought
01:28:26
he's [ __ ] crazy.
01:28:27
>> Yeah. And then then there's so much like
01:28:30
the talent per capita we have here in
01:28:32
New Zealand is insane. Like it's and
01:28:35
it's something that I feel like Kiwis
01:28:37
are really proud of. Like when we it
01:28:40
might not be something that you follow,
01:28:41
but when you hear about oh we've got
01:28:43
this person carving up in golf like
01:28:46
everyone's like whoa, you know, like
01:28:47
they get behind you and stuff. And I
01:28:49
really I really like that about Kiwis
01:28:52
and stuff. Yeah. How's your has your
01:28:54
mental health mostly been good over the
01:28:56
years?
01:28:57
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:28:57
>> From the answer you gave before, it
01:28:58
feels like there's maybe like been dips
01:29:00
over the years.
01:29:01
>> Yeah. Well, I've definitely um you know
01:29:05
been a really stoic person, so I've
01:29:08
found um like I'm not I'm pretty
01:29:10
detached from my emotions. And that's
01:29:12
something that me and my partner have
01:29:14
like slowly started to figure out, you
01:29:17
know, is like I kind of really detach
01:29:21
from everything and I just try to push
01:29:24
it to the side like I don't like let
01:29:27
thing I kind of bottle things up, you
01:29:28
know, and and I just kind of like eats
01:29:31
away at you, you know? So that's
01:29:33
something I've been trying to work on on
01:29:34
my own. um just being a bit more I don't
01:29:37
know expressive of it and just trusting
01:29:40
of my emotions and stuff like that cuz
01:29:42
yeah for me it's not it's just something
01:29:44
I think it's just I get it from my dad
01:29:46
like my upbringing like my dad was very
01:29:48
like
01:29:49
>> you know just harden up just get up in
01:29:51
there and harden up and
01:29:53
>> yeah and I've just known like now as an
01:29:56
adult it's not like always a way to be
01:29:58
as well so yeah it's a work in progress
01:30:01
still but I'm getting there
01:30:02
>> you you've been m you've been um great
01:30:05
at communicating in this podcast. Are
01:30:06
you are you okay at showing
01:30:07
vulnerability in relationships?
01:30:09
>> You still work on?
01:30:11
>> No. Yeah. Yeah. So, no. That's not
01:30:13
that's not something that I'm I'm very
01:30:15
good at. Um
01:30:16
>> I don't think it's comes easy for any of
01:30:17
us.
01:30:18
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Vulnerability and
01:30:19
relationships has been like Yeah.
01:30:21
Definitely not my biggest um my biggest
01:30:25
thing proud of. Yeah. Yeah. It's not my
01:30:27
biggest strength. Um so, yeah, it's been
01:30:30
something I've been working on uh quite
01:30:33
recently. Yeah. with my MS which is
01:30:35
something yeah she's happy about as
01:30:38
well. So um yeah I feel like I'm on I'm
01:30:40
on good track with that.
01:30:42
>> It's hard though if you're in a
01:30:44
relationship and there's something
01:30:44
that's that's that's on your mind but
01:30:46
you know it's going to cause like an
01:30:48
argument or a robust conversation. It's
01:30:50
easier just to not say it right.
01:30:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I've just kind of always
01:30:54
just like you know pushed everything
01:30:56
aside for fighting. I'm just like I
01:30:59
don't care about that cuz I've
01:31:02
always been there like been like that
01:31:04
but yeah I think I'm at a position now
01:31:06
that when I get there you know I want to
01:31:08
have be able to share it with someone
01:31:10
and and stuff like that. I don't want to
01:31:12
be like alone at the top. So
01:31:14
>> yeah it's just been been a good work on
01:31:16
for me for sure.
01:31:19
>> How are you going to feel in Seattle um
01:31:20
when you when you're like an hour or two
01:31:22
from walking out when you pull up in
01:31:23
that UFC bus and you walk in and you get
01:31:26
ready? How how do you feel a couple of
01:31:27
hours beforehand? Are you excited? Are
01:31:29
you nervous?
01:31:30
>> I don't I try not to feel anything. I
01:31:32
try to be super present. I try to let
01:31:34
like everything
01:31:37
any like like emotions just pass me and
01:31:40
just I kind of put on like a very stern
01:31:43
look on my face and just go like like I
01:31:47
don't give myself thought to process
01:31:52
like losing or fear or what ifs, you
01:31:56
know? Like I don't give that.
01:31:58
It's kind of like you just like when
01:32:00
you're going to jump off something, you
01:32:02
just go sweet, let's go. Like
01:32:04
>> you don't give yourself four. And I I do
01:32:07
that a lot with hard training sessions.
01:32:10
Uh doing something that's very hard. I
01:32:12
just go like sweet. Like I almost like
01:32:15
say yes to something without giving
01:32:17
myself thought because I feel like in
01:32:19
that process of thinking,
01:32:22
you start to demolish yourself. You
01:32:25
know, you just sabotage. And I don't
01:32:27
give myself thought when I'm in the
01:32:28
back. I just go like, well, I've done
01:32:31
the work. Like, I've done everything.
01:32:33
I'm I know what I'm going to do when I
01:32:35
get in there. I I almost I trust in the
01:32:37
fact that I know that um I've got this
01:32:41
weird I don't know if it's a talent or a
01:32:44
skill or something that I've everything
01:32:46
just slows down for me when I'm
01:32:48
fighting. Like I really like get so
01:32:50
dialed in mentally that nothing else
01:32:53
matters and I'm just like thinking about
01:32:56
what I'm doing when I'm fighting. And
01:32:58
people have said that to me about my
01:32:59
fight style like you have like the most
01:33:01
like um just non no emotion on your face
01:33:06
and you look like you're drilling in
01:33:08
there as well. Like like you're not like
01:33:11
it doesn't look hard or you don't see a
01:33:13
lot of motion on your face. Like you're
01:33:14
just drilling in there.
01:33:15
>> Oh, like doing drills.
01:33:16
>> Yeah. I'm in like such a trance, you
01:33:18
know, like I just call it like being in
01:33:21
the zone. like I'm just so in the zone
01:33:24
that yeah, I just see things coming at
01:33:26
me slow motion and I'm able to process
01:33:29
thought when like for example like I'll
01:33:32
see someone fight in the gym and they
01:33:34
just style up and then I know that
01:33:37
they're good because I've seen them do
01:33:39
well and then I've seen them fight and
01:33:41
I'm like and they don't perform and I
01:33:43
think to myself like this guy is so good
01:33:46
like he's nowhere near as good as the
01:33:48
way he I I've seen him and I'd always
01:33:51
like used to freak me out like seeing
01:33:54
people not do what I've seen them do
01:33:56
before.
01:33:56
>> But I feel Yeah. what they're capable
01:33:58
of. And I feel like that's what I do
01:34:00
really well at is like I'm able to I
01:34:03
know what I'm capable of and I can go
01:34:05
out there and just execute it and and do
01:34:07
it and do it and do it and
01:34:10
>> um yeah, I don't know if that's like a
01:34:12
special thing for myself, but it's just
01:34:14
something I've noticed like
01:34:16
>> or like yeah, I see people people say
01:34:18
like certain things are hard in the real
01:34:20
time and I I've been training my brother
01:34:22
recently and like cuz he's had fights
01:34:24
and I've seen him spar and he looks
01:34:26
really good and then just like in some
01:34:28
of his recent fights, he's he's found it
01:34:30
hard to like put the shots together. And
01:34:32
I'm trying to like coach him and corner
01:34:34
him and he's not doing what like I know
01:34:36
I would do sort of thing. And this is
01:34:38
not like a knock or anything on my
01:34:40
brother, but like I'm just like why is
01:34:42
he not performing
01:34:44
like this way or something, you know?
01:34:46
It's just like a really weird thing. And
01:34:48
I don't know if it's just like maybe
01:34:50
that's like my innate ability to do
01:34:52
those things or
01:34:53
>> something. But yeah, it's just something
01:34:55
I've noticed. Well, that quote I had at
01:34:56
the top of this podcast from Israel. He
01:34:58
sort of talked about you being able to
01:35:00
see something and then do it
01:35:01
immediately. So, maybe that's like a
01:35:03
natural talent you've got, but it's um
01:35:05
natural talent combined with 10 years of
01:35:06
really hard work as well.
01:35:07
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think just my
01:35:09
personality because I'm like not very
01:35:12
like emotional and I I'm very good at
01:35:15
just being able to be like, "Yep,
01:35:17
sweet." I think it just plays into like
01:35:19
my fight style and stuff. Some people
01:35:21
have said I have like aggression
01:35:22
problems as well. Like I've heard some
01:35:24
people like why don't you get like
01:35:26
mango?
01:35:27
>> Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that a lot a lot
01:35:29
in my career. Like people say like you
01:35:31
don't have like a lot of mango from like
01:35:32
even good fighters, not just like
01:35:33
friends and stuff and like I always they
01:35:36
always shock me like cuz I'm like what
01:35:38
do you mean? Like I'm punching this guy
01:35:39
like hard. I'm just making sure the
01:35:41
technique is correct and this and that.
01:35:44
Like people say I almost look like a
01:35:45
little robotic like and that that always
01:35:48
like
01:35:48
>> Does that [ __ ] you off?
01:35:49
>> It it does a little bit but I I get what
01:35:52
they mean. I get that they mean and and
01:35:54
I know my style and I'm confident in the
01:35:56
things I do and it's the reason why I
01:35:59
haven't been knocked out like yet and um
01:36:02
uh yeah just like why I don't take a lot
01:36:05
of damage and yeah I'm not really one to
01:36:07
like perform very well in the gym but
01:36:10
when it comes to fight night I've I've
01:36:13
always just been on
01:36:15
>> what what is the worst you've been hurt?
01:36:17
worst I've been hurt. Um,
01:36:21
man, in fights, like I I could probably
01:36:24
count on my fingers like how many times
01:36:26
I've been hurt. Like that's that's
01:36:28
that's being truthful, man. I've I've
01:36:30
I've really like kept my range and broke
01:36:33
guys down a lot. I think maybe in my
01:36:36
second UFC fight, the guy got me with a
01:36:38
good left hook to the eye, but I just
01:36:40
kind of brushed it off. But that was
01:36:41
that was definitely like the hardest
01:36:43
shot I've been hit with. And I can't
01:36:45
think of many other shots um that I've
01:36:47
been hit with in the fights at all. But
01:36:50
in the gym, yeah, definitely I've been
01:36:51
hit with some big ones.
01:36:53
>> Hit with some probably more than the
01:36:54
actual fights
01:36:56
>> more. And then that's what you'll hear a
01:36:57
lot of fighters probably say that that
01:36:59
they've had more gym wars than they have
01:37:01
in the actual fights. But um that's why
01:37:03
I don't actually like to spar too hard
01:37:05
because I know like I might as well just
01:37:07
save my chin for the fight night. And
01:37:10
yeah, I've been pretty successful since.
01:37:13
>> If if I got hit in the face, like my my
01:37:16
body would go into complete shock. Like
01:37:17
it would it would just be into
01:37:19
overdrive. What what happens when you
01:37:21
get punched in the face?
01:37:22
>> Yeah. I mean, you're in like such a
01:37:25
different like state of like you're in
01:37:27
like a primal state like 100%. Like
01:37:30
you're on like a life or death state.
01:37:32
And so when you're like that and you do
01:37:35
get hit, even if it's like a fleeting
01:37:37
blow, like a fleeting blow that if I
01:37:39
took right now out of nowhere, like it
01:37:41
would it would hurt me. Like it would
01:37:42
100% hurt me. I'd be like, "Whoa, what
01:37:44
was that?" But in that environment and
01:37:47
and in the mode that you're in, like it
01:37:50
is very very minimal. Like you don't you
01:37:52
almost don't feel it like
01:37:54
>> and and any big shots you do feel, you
01:37:56
almost like that pain is gone in like
01:37:59
two three seconds. It's like you're just
01:38:00
wearing it for the time being.
01:38:02
>> Unreal.
01:38:03
>> Yeah. In Dan's last fight just before it
01:38:05
was called off, like he was on the
01:38:06
ground hit maybe 30, 40 times and like
01:38:09
how is he not knocked out? That was
01:38:11
>> Yeah, I remember watching that and just
01:38:12
like, oh, bro, come on, brother. Get up.
01:38:15
>> He he just he never taps out.
01:38:16
>> Yeah, man. He's He's crazy, man. He just
01:38:19
He's He's had some absolute wars, man. I
01:38:22
don't know how he does it. and he's just
01:38:24
got like a a love for the sport and just
01:38:28
I think he just loves the grit of that
01:38:31
just getting in there and like feeling
01:38:32
it. But me personally, I it's not for
01:38:34
me, man. I like to I like to just I like
01:38:37
the skills and the sharpness and being
01:38:40
sharp. I like that. Like I I I do I
01:38:43
don't mind a bit of grit and like you
01:38:46
know feeling. I think I had one of my
01:38:48
fights where it was just it felt like
01:38:50
the fight was very close and I just
01:38:52
looked at the guy and we just sort of
01:38:54
pointed at the ground and just went hell
01:38:56
for leather and I I was just like I
01:38:58
don't know how close this fight is so
01:38:59
I'm going to have to swing for the
01:39:00
bleaches and Yeah.
01:39:02
>> Oh, point to the ground. That's a UFC
01:39:04
thing that you some fighters do like
01:39:05
with 10 seconds to go.
01:39:06
>> Yeah, I think I was close to like 30
01:39:08
seconds left. The guy just went like,
01:39:11
you know, come on, come on. and it was a
01:39:13
close fight, so I I needed like
01:39:15
something uh emphatic to really to
01:39:18
really um like secure the win, and I
01:39:21
managed to drop him from that. So,
01:39:23
>> yeah, that was probably the last moment
01:39:25
I've really felt like I've been chinned
01:39:27
and I had to like go for it. So, yeah.
01:39:30
>> When you picture the absolute peak of
01:39:32
your career, what does it look like,
01:39:35
>> man? And just to be honest, just being a
01:39:40
great champion, someone that the MMA
01:39:43
community just looks at as one of the
01:39:46
greatest fighters etched in the in the
01:39:49
timeline. Have more money than I know
01:39:52
what to do with. And yeah, just
01:39:56
uh man, just doing doing really well.
01:40:00
Yeah. Doing just achieving everything
01:40:01
that I ever hoped for.
01:40:05
Everything that you've dreamed of is is
01:40:07
on track and it's happened so far. So
01:40:09
this is realistic.
01:40:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is very realistic for
01:40:12
me. I I that's what I go to bed at.
01:40:15
That's what that was that's what wakes
01:40:17
me up every morning is thinking like
01:40:19
this is what I want for myself and this
01:40:21
is what I'm going to get and and with
01:40:23
the way how old I am, the way I fight,
01:40:27
the way I've seen myself fighting the
01:40:30
top guys and um you know my team
01:40:34
everything's lining up correctly and and
01:40:36
I understand that there can be many
01:40:38
slopes. I've had I've been through heaps
01:40:40
of slopes. People think it's just been
01:40:42
an an uphill for me, but I've I've I've
01:40:45
seen plenty of downhills. I'm almost so
01:40:47
good at dealing with the downhills now
01:40:50
because of my uh life experience now
01:40:53
that I'm ready for the the the downward
01:40:56
slopes, too. So,
01:40:58
>> I don't think those will knock me off my
01:41:00
path. And yeah, and I've I've seen other
01:41:03
fighters, you know, and they they don't
01:41:06
they don't have like the the mental
01:41:08
resilience or the resolve like I do. And
01:41:10
I know like if this is what's out there,
01:41:12
like I'm going to crush those dudes
01:41:13
100%.
01:41:14
>> Yeah. To be a champion, you need some
01:41:16
scars on your back, don't you?
01:41:17
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:41:18
>> Um Yeah. You say you you'd like to have
01:41:21
more money than what you know what to do
01:41:22
with. What would you want to do with the
01:41:23
money?
01:41:25
>> Have you thought about that? What you'd
01:41:26
want to do for others?
01:41:27
>> Definitely like set up my family. That's
01:41:29
for sure. Set up my family. um you know,
01:41:33
mom, dad, brother, sister, you know, if
01:41:35
I have children in the future, just set
01:41:38
them up, you know. So, you know, I
01:41:40
really want to take my family from, you
01:41:43
know, a working class family and right
01:41:46
up to, you know, really be established
01:41:49
and be able to help everyone else in my
01:41:51
family. That that's that that would be
01:41:53
like a dream goal for me um post UFC
01:41:56
career. And yeah, like I've got plenty
01:42:00
of things that I would like to do after
01:42:02
I fight as well. And so when I think
01:42:05
there'll be the time to when it's time
01:42:07
to leave the sport, I'm pretty confident
01:42:09
I'll be able to do that.
01:42:11
>> Yeah. What do you want to do?
01:42:14
>> To be honest, I want to I think in my
01:42:17
opinion, I think I'm going to be more
01:42:19
popular post UFC career than I will be
01:42:22
as a UFC fighter. the UFC fighter. I
01:42:25
think I I really enjoy my streaming and
01:42:28
YouTube and making content.
01:42:30
>> I consume a lot of it. So, I know what
01:42:32
works and I know what the people like.
01:42:33
And the reason why I don't like really
01:42:36
put attention to it at the moment is
01:42:38
just cuz I'm just I've got one goal
01:42:41
right now and that's to be a great
01:42:43
champion and and that's the only thing I
01:42:45
care about. And so, I dabble mix and
01:42:46
dabble in all these other things and and
01:42:49
stuff like that. And I know what I could
01:42:51
see myself doing after my career. And I
01:42:54
I think I could be I could become like
01:42:56
really popular after my UFC career. But
01:42:59
the but being a UFC fighter and a former
01:43:02
champion will definitely propel um the
01:43:06
start of my post career.
01:43:08
>> And yeah, like I think I can I'm pretty
01:43:11
confident I can smash it um outside of
01:43:14
the cage as well. If if someone um told
01:43:18
um a shy Navajo Sterling, you 12 years
01:43:21
old on the Marai, that one day he'd be
01:43:23
in the UFC and then potentially become
01:43:26
like a content creator one day. Could
01:43:28
you believe it?
01:43:28
>> No, I wouldn't be able to believe that.
01:43:30
No. As a kid, I was so shy and that like
01:43:34
my mom would be like laughing at it like
01:43:36
she she'll know too. Like I definitely
01:43:39
couldn't see myself. No, no way.
01:43:42
>> What do you think your best and worst
01:43:43
habits are?
01:43:45
Oh, best and worst habits. I think I'm a
01:43:48
big procrastinator, that's for sure.
01:43:49
Like,
01:43:50
>> rubbish.
01:43:51
>> Yeah. Yeah, I procrastinate a lot. Um,
01:43:53
on what
01:43:54
>> I sometimes like sometimes like when I
01:43:57
really do when I'm not productive as
01:43:59
well, like I go like full the other way.
01:44:02
Like I'll just sit at a desk and just
01:44:04
play games for like a stupid amount of
01:44:07
time. Um, I've And and food. Yeah, food
01:44:11
used to be a real bad one. like I've
01:44:14
I've gotten better at it, but yeah, food
01:44:16
is was like just just eating rubbish and
01:44:19
stuff. Uh
01:44:20
>> you must you must always be hungry with
01:44:21
the training you do.
01:44:23
>> You're telling me now, man. I've I've
01:44:25
lost so much weight. Um recently I'm in
01:44:28
wicked shape and I my whole like for you
01:44:30
page right now is just food. Yeah, I've
01:44:33
I've been trying to get like a better
01:44:34
relationship with food. Um basically if
01:44:37
you get fat at our gym, everyone call
01:44:39
you a fat bastard. So yeah, if I get
01:44:41
when I get injured, when I Oh, that's
01:44:43
another thing, man. When I get injured,
01:44:45
my bad like a bad habit is like I
01:44:47
basically pile on everything. Like I get
01:44:50
really depressed because I'm not getting
01:44:52
the training in and I just stuff myself
01:44:56
with food and I'm sure a lot of fighters
01:44:58
do go through that and yeah, then you
01:45:01
don't feel very good and and uh you
01:45:03
know, when you're off and just that
01:45:06
start up again is always just gruesome
01:45:08
like starting up from being fat and out
01:45:12
of shape and for for us that's like one
01:45:15
month out of no doing doing no training
01:45:18
can can really like yeah hurt your mind
01:45:20
man it's the worst but I've done it so
01:45:22
many times I always just try to tell
01:45:24
myself like everything will be sweet
01:45:26
like just keep getting yourself to the
01:45:28
gym and dealing with the comments so
01:45:30
yeah
01:45:31
>> what is your weakness when it comes to
01:45:33
food
01:45:34
>> the junk food you're talking about
01:45:35
>> yeah junk food like I'm a big like when
01:45:38
I go when When I go out to eat, like I
01:45:40
always like buy the whole menu like
01:45:42
Yeah. For Mrs. I'll be like, "Oh, just
01:45:44
get me like just give me everything, you
01:45:46
know." And
01:45:47
>> what what what's he go to? Is it KFC?
01:45:50
>> Oh, yeah. KFC, man. I'm big KFC. Like,
01:45:52
so I've had some I've had like KFC like
01:45:54
one or two weeks out from a fight, I've
01:45:57
just Yeah. KFC, man. Just any restaurant
01:46:01
that I see on my timeline, I'm just
01:46:04
going I'm going straight there. I' I've
01:46:06
got like saved there's heaps of fighters
01:46:08
like that that I got like saved food
01:46:11
places that I'm going to hit like
01:46:12
straight after my fight and yeah man
01:46:15
it's just yeah it's no good
01:46:18
>> when was the last time you cried
01:46:21
>> man last time I cried would probably be
01:46:23
from what I remember
01:46:25
would be yeah man making the contenders
01:46:29
>> that's a great story
01:46:30
>> yeah making the contenders man I I cried
01:46:33
man I I cried And my my MS was like she
01:46:38
couldn't believe like that she was
01:46:39
seeing me get teeyed at the time, you
01:46:43
know. She was just like, "Holy shit."
01:46:45
You know, he's actually like
01:46:46
>> he does have an emotion.
01:46:47
>> Yeah, he does have an emotion. Like she
01:46:49
was like, "I can't believe like that he
01:46:51
feels this way about it, about his
01:46:53
fighting. Like he really loves it." And
01:46:56
>> yeah, man. That was that that was
01:46:57
probably the last time I cried. Yeah,
01:46:59
100%.
01:47:00
>> What are you most afraid of?
01:47:03
I'm most afraid of probably
01:47:06
>> not going bald. You had a hair
01:47:07
transplant. Yeah. I had a hair
01:47:09
transplant. Yeah. No, I didn't. I didn't
01:47:11
really care too much about going.
01:47:12
>> You It looks good. Where were you? Why
01:47:14
did you get a hair transplant?
01:47:15
>> Well, funny enough, I realized I was
01:47:18
losing my hair going into my Contenders
01:47:21
fight. And I was like, I'mma just cuz I
01:47:24
had bleached my hair the whole way to
01:47:25
the UFC. I was like, I'm going to have
01:47:27
to give this a a kick to the bin. So, I
01:47:30
I was like, one more. And then when I
01:47:32
make it, I just going to go bald. And I
01:47:35
was just just as I was about to go bald.
01:47:38
I got a message from now hair time hair
01:47:42
clinic in Turkey and they were just
01:47:43
like, we'll give you a hair free hair
01:47:45
transplant for um some promotion. I was
01:47:48
like, sounds good to me. So that's what
01:47:51
I did straight straight away. As soon as
01:47:53
I fought in the UFC, I got my UFC return
01:47:55
flight to Turkey and yeah, I just yeah,
01:47:59
got it done. It's been like a year now.
01:48:00
So yeah, I didn't go on any uh
01:48:02
supplements or anything. I just did the
01:48:04
raw transplant. No, no treatment after.
01:48:07
And yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. Um
01:48:10
it's still a bit thin in some areas, but
01:48:12
it's like it's better than being scalped
01:48:15
um from where I was,
01:48:17
>> so yeah. No, it's been pretty good. I
01:48:19
usually have my hair short anyway, so
01:48:21
it's all good.
01:48:22
>> Yeah. Um yeah, so back to the original
01:48:24
question. Yeah. What are you what you do
01:48:26
is would be one of my worst fears like
01:48:28
being locked in an octagon with someone
01:48:30
for 5 minutes at a time. What What are
01:48:32
you afraid of?
01:48:33
>> What I'm afraid of is probably Yeah,
01:48:35
honestly not living up to my potential,
01:48:38
man. Not living up like just being your
01:48:42
typical should have, could have, would
01:48:44
have. Like I used to work as a as a
01:48:46
bartender and I used to see like you
01:48:48
know mates that that were like gun
01:48:51
league players like or rugby players and
01:48:53
and they'd see me and I'd be like I'd be
01:48:56
like what happened bro like you still
01:48:57
you know going for you know I don't know
01:49:00
all blacks or something they're like ah
01:49:01
you know just got injured bro you know
01:49:04
or you know just got the misses pregnant
01:49:06
and had to look after or you know just I
01:49:09
I met so many should have could have man
01:49:11
and I was like wow you were like the
01:49:13
hand, you know, and I I never wanted
01:49:16
that to be the same. I was like, I don't
01:49:18
ever want to be just another good story
01:49:20
or another what if video you see on
01:49:24
YouTube or something. I want to really
01:49:27
cuz I look at the way I am and my age
01:49:31
and I feel like I can really like
01:49:33
maximize my potential. And when I
01:49:35
followed like Conor McGregor and like
01:49:37
Jon Jones and that and I saw them come
01:49:40
in and out of the sport so much like it
01:49:42
that that that like almost like used to
01:49:44
grind me my gears, you know, seeing them
01:49:46
not live up to their potential cuz they
01:49:48
could have been like they they're
01:49:49
already great but they could have been
01:49:50
so much more greater. And
01:49:52
>> um that's that's another reason that
01:49:54
keeps me locked in and like pushes away
01:49:58
everything else is well outside of
01:50:00
fighting. like I really push things to
01:50:02
the side to fully zone in because I know
01:50:05
that that this thing little thing on the
01:50:07
side could could could take me away from
01:50:10
my potential. So I I I always kick that
01:50:13
off. And that's why like with my
01:50:15
streaming and that as well, I don't I
01:50:16
don't take that too serious because like
01:50:18
people say, "Oh, why you not streaming?"
01:50:19
I'm like, "No, man. Fighting fighting
01:50:21
all day." Like right now where I'm at,
01:50:24
what I want to do with my life, fighting
01:50:26
100%.
01:50:28
>> I love that. There's a saying, don't die
01:50:30
with the music in you. Um, and I think
01:50:32
whether it's fighting or whatever it is,
01:50:34
you just don't want to you don't want to
01:50:35
die wondering.
01:50:36
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:50:36
>> You whatever your passion is, you want
01:50:38
to give it everything you got.
01:50:39
>> 100%.
01:50:40
>> When when someone tells the story of
01:50:41
Nevo Sterling, say 30, 40 years from
01:50:43
now, what do you hope they say?
01:50:45
>> Oh man, just that he was this legend
01:50:49
like fighter, like warrior, took himself
01:50:52
from nothing. Someone that took himself
01:50:54
from nothing and made something of
01:50:56
himself. And I'm hoping that it gets to
01:51:00
a point where people in my bloodline are
01:51:04
just like that's our ancestor, you know,
01:51:06
we come from we come from his genes, his
01:51:10
genetics, his warrior bloodline or
01:51:12
whatever. like to be able to cement
01:51:16
myself in time, you know, is like to
01:51:20
live immortal in a in a way like people
01:51:22
will remember you for years and that's
01:51:25
that's how I want to be remembered, man.
01:51:27
Just as a just someone that took himself
01:51:30
from nothing to everything.
01:51:34
>> You've done enough already for that,
01:51:35
haven't you? Like we mentioned earlier,
01:51:36
your great-granddad being part of the
01:51:38
Moldi Battalion. Um, yeah, you've what
01:51:40
you've done already is enough to
01:51:42
>> Yeah.
01:51:43
>> have that reputation in your family.
01:51:45
>> Yeah. And and and that's the thing. I
01:51:46
feel like I can do so much more like
01:51:48
because I'm at the prime age for it,
01:51:50
man. I'm not even
01:51:51
>> I'm only 28.
01:51:53
>> Young 28 and I've still got years to
01:51:56
kill it, you know? And that's why I know
01:51:58
like that belt is inevitable. Um, and
01:52:03
going past that as well is what I want
01:52:04
to do is I don't want to just get touch
01:52:07
the belt once. I want to take it and go
01:52:10
on a run kind of like what Israel done.
01:52:13
Um, you know, and I'm with the coaching
01:52:15
team of the team I have around me. we
01:52:18
can run through that, you know, and and
01:52:21
because I've been able to sit back seat
01:52:23
to,
01:52:25
you know, see how uh Israel has done it
01:52:28
and then also we've had like a glimpse
01:52:30
into Vulcanowski and seeing how he's
01:52:33
done it and how he's still the champion
01:52:35
now and carrying a great legacy now. You
01:52:38
know, if if there's anyone to be able to
01:52:40
do it, it will be someone like me
01:52:42
because I've already got my coaching
01:52:45
team and and they have already had that
01:52:47
experience. They know well where maybe
01:52:50
Israel went wrong or what they could
01:52:53
have done better and stuff and so they
01:52:55
have the experience and and they can p
01:52:58
pour all of that in back into me. It's
01:53:00
not like a one time thing like
01:53:03
>> they've never done they didn't know what
01:53:05
was going to happen when I got big, you
01:53:06
know, cuz they've been there and that
01:53:08
that that's like another thing that
01:53:10
really like
01:53:11
>> re reinforces in me that I'm going to
01:53:13
I'm going to go on a run for sure.
01:53:16
>> Oh yeah, you're with the right team. No
01:53:17
doubt about it.
01:53:18
>> Yeah.
01:53:18
>> Are you proud of yourself?
01:53:20
>> Yeah. Yeah, I am proud of myself. I am
01:53:22
proud of myself. And only recently Yeah.
01:53:24
Yeah. Very much only recently. Yeah. I I
01:53:27
I wasn't proud of anything until I until
01:53:30
like the most recent years of making the
01:53:32
UFC. Um cuz I was just like, "Oh, I
01:53:35
haven't really done anything like
01:53:37
>> you know." And now that's kind of I was
01:53:39
proud of myself and now it's kind of re
01:53:42
rekick re like lit that fire that I had
01:53:45
years ago joining the UFC and being like
01:53:48
man I like wait till they know who I am
01:53:51
you know that's where I'm at right now
01:53:53
is to put everyone on notice like you
01:53:56
see a lot of prospects and stuff and
01:53:58
they got more hype than you and that and
01:54:00
that that does like kind of like you
01:54:03
know light the fire under you like like
01:54:06
I I want to be the man, you know, and uh
01:54:09
that's where I'm at right now.
01:54:13
>> Navajo Sterling, you are the man,
01:54:15
>> mate. This has been great.
01:54:17
>> Yeah. Awesome.
01:54:17
>> Good for you.
01:54:18
>> Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's
01:54:20
been really good just to peel it back
01:54:22
and have a look.
01:54:24
>> Um No, it's been awesome, bro.
01:54:25
>> Mate, you're you're a good dude and I'm
01:54:27
I'm looking forward to seeing um what
01:54:28
the future brings. Yeah.
01:54:30
>> Um you're on track.
01:54:31
>> Yeah. Yeah. On track.
01:54:32
>> How old was Israel when he got his first
01:54:34
McLaren? Oh, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah,
01:54:37
it's 30s, maybe. I'm not too sure. So,
01:54:39
yeah, I think I'm on I'm on track. I'm
01:54:41
doing well. And my my rise might might
01:54:44
not be as fast, so we'll go at my own
01:54:45
pace,
01:54:46
>> but um it's a steady pace for sure,
01:54:49
>> man. I appreciate you so much being here
01:54:51
on the podcast.
01:54:51
>> Yeah, thank you for having me. I
01:54:53
appreciate you guys having me. So,
01:54:54
>> and myself and anyone else who's uh
01:54:56
watched or listened to this uh will no
01:54:58
doubt be invested in your journey now,
01:54:59
and we can't wait to see what you do
01:55:01
next.
01:55:01
>> Yes. Thank you. Thank you for Yeah, man.
01:55:03
Just be ready. Be ready for what's to
01:55:05
come.
