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Runners only with Don Harvey and this
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week an old friend of mine maybe the
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future mayor of Auckland City Leo Malloy
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maybe poor man maybe come on there's no
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maybe about it bro you know that I'm
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going to be the mayor of the city and
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running will be compulsory you're either
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running with me or running away from me
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one of the other YouTubers now that is
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there there's a that's the tie in here
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the podcast is called Runners only so
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every single guest I have on the podcast
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has running in common so I mean I
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suppose you could joke that you are
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running for Mia but all also in a
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previous life you were a runner a little
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bit of a runner my short fat legs don't
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do me a great service when it comes to
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running but yeah I just changed my
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entire lifestyle and I thought I'd try
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the running game and um I wasn't much
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good at it to be honest with you oh I
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disagree I disagree you you did a 312
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Marathon which would probably put you in
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I'm plucking this figure out of my ass
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but I'm guessing the top five percent of
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all Marathon finishes ever really no the
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312 early threes hundred percent well
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I'll tell you how that some people spend
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their entire life trying to break a
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magic number like four hours or four I
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think I think I could run One backwards
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in three and a half
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I'm serious no I did because um I'll
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tell you why um my sister Julie had a
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boyfriend named Keen I think his name
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was and he had never done one and I said
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I'd walk in the park train for three
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months and he said I've got one in mind
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in about a month's time I've been
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training for and I said I'll do it with
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you out of sympathy so without any
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training I did a 328 but when I did the
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312 some of my friends Gary Ray I
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mentioned before he could knock off a
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like a 225 228 wow um easily um because
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he's tall with long legs like you and I
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was of the other persuasion short with
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fat legs and I wasn't very good at
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running but he dragged me along and made
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me run but when I went to vet school a
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lot of people there were into things
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like running but don't forget the West
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Coast has a Heritage running too in case
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you forgot Dave um who won the Boston
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mouth and Dave McKenzie the we fellow at
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the Bandy legs week for the Greymouth
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Evening Star won the Boston Marathon
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Coleman cray was a very very good runner
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Eddie gray was a great Runner so we
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weren't the only people on the west
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coast running a lot of people around the
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Greymouth area were very athletic and
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into running so I decided that I wanted
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to do a sub three because I didn't think
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I was a runner if I couldn't do a sub
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three so I think on the in the west
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coast my first one I did 320 something
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and then I did Commonwealth Games course
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in Christchurch about his most [ __ ]
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boring can I say [ __ ] well of course
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you get us a podcast you can see what
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you want nice [ __ ] boring marathon of
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all time up and down right just flat
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yeah flat as a billion table and nothing
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to aim at you just go from Telegraph
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while to Telegraph right and then
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incredibly I flee myself in a helicopter
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from palmy to Gisborne and did Gisborne
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which was just as bad so
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excruciationally excruciatingly that's a
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big word for a little fella on a day
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like this boring boring marathons and
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then but anyway I decided I wanted to do
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a sub three before I retired after only
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about four or five attempts so I am the
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coast to coast was probably the best one
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because it was selling have you done
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that goat Pass Run yeah I have I did it
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last year it was amazing what a
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sensational run in the year I did was
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the year of the big win so we a lot of
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the time we were chest Deep in water
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they actually called the that part of
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the coast to coast race off about half
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an hour after I went through but um that
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was the most amazing run so invigorating
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to do that you know I'd go back and do
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that tomorrow probably walk at this time
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around to be frank with you but anyway
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then I decided I wanted to do a sub
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three just to prove that I could run so
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I trained hard in the local area club
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and I did over the pahi to a track a few
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times
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yeah you know you start on the hill you
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think oh I'll get a breather in five
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minutes time trust me it ain't five
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minutes I've got Wine's on forever hour
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and a half later you're still climbing
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so it's like a version of the um what's
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the bike race they have in France
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Hill Climb Zone you think when's this
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going to end you know yeah that's how I
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felt going on I did that run quite a few
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times just in training but I was
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determined to run a time if I wanted to
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run a time so so I did a half and I
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busted my gut swing at 125 Half but I
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reckon then if you can do a 125 Half you
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can break three yeah um for the marathon
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so I went up to Rotorua of all places
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and I didn't have a pacemaker and I had
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a very light support crew as in one
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person with a water bottle at the end of
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the race waiting for me but I went down
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there I went through the turn well under
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um 125 half time but I just blew my ass
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going up that hill and we you know you
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check out this long yeah it's not a very
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steep hill but it's a long grinding it
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was always going to be a hard one to get
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a hard course to do a sub three and I
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mean it's a oh it's not the easiest
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you're probably that boring Christchurch
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when you were talking about from the
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Commonwealth Games you probably needed
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that for a sub three I think you need a
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pacemaker if you're gonna if you really
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have very good runner like I'm not and
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you want to do something like that
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you're aiming fairly high right the
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lofty Heights for a five foot six inch
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you know little fat bugger so um it was
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quite tricky here but I tried to do it
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all on my own and I just got the timing
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all wrong so end up end up trudging home
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in 312 and hurt for about a week
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afterwards oh that's a good run though
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I'm guessing it's probably easier now
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I've managed to do one sub three I did a
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257 but I I had like a GPS you wouldn't
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have had to GPS watch on no yeah I mean
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it's easy to get your split taker in it
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what I should have had as a support
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person with me either on a Vespa or a
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bike or something who was saying hey
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Slow Down slow down because I do get as
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you know I can be fairly enthusiastic
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about life
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too quickly and early faded late you
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know the story of us a racehorse that'll
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be no bloody good what I'm trying to say
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um so why did you why did you give that
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running you just get bored I feel like
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you get bored of things no no that's not
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necessarily true I end up with chondro
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Malaysia in my knee because when I'm
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trained for the coast to coast I was
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doing by riding and running
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simultaneously and I pulled the patella
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do you know how your femur Works how the
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trochlear ridge works not really no it's
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like if you're eating a chicken bone
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it's a two knob bits at the end the
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patella runs up and down okay but when
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you bike a lot as well as running you
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develop the lateral quadriceps a lot
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more than you do the medial side so it
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tends to pull things slightly out of
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line and chondro Malaysia obviously
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malming bad
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um bad cartilage so it grinds down to
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the bone so my patella kept catching on
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the on the lateral trochlear Ridge and
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um that was no fun when it catches it
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literally just everything freezes and
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you've got to be really ballsy and brave
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and put it back in yourself oh I can
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just look at her shoulder back in before
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you have to take long-term conservative
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therapy right I suppose you could do
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things like stem cell transplants these
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days yeah if I've been a qualified bet
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in those days I could have done it then
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done it to yourself well we're doing a
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lot and horses and that type of thing
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but yeah you could have been no that's
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why so I took a lot of time out and
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after I'd taken the time out to be frank
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you know as I said I was a struggler
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anyway yeah I wasn't a natural athlete
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so do you miss it you miss running
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um I still go to the gym three days a
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week I love the camaraderie I love the
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boxing these days yeah I know you're a
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very active guy I see it when I'm out
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running I see you out walking quite a
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bit and I I see you on social media at
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the gym with Monty batham and others you
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know I walk a lot um I find that very
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therapeutic so I look at the Blue Sky
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when I walk and I find that it's quite
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walking time is quality time I quite
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often put my heads on listen to podcasts
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and but yeah and I like the gym I like
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the boxing I like the I like the square
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office purely because you get a better
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class or person at boxing and when you
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get in there so what do you mean
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um it takes a certain type of person to
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have an appetite for that sort of sport
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it's a blood sport it's a physical
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version of politics and I love Blood
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Sport so when you get in I actually had
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a little fight the other day as part of
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a condition of doing a TV show where the
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guy fella called Guy Williams do you
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know yeah yeah yeah he's a giant
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compared to you he's a bloody good dude
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so he's 198 so he's six six or something
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yeah I'm five six so I gave him a foot
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in height I gave him 35 kilograms in
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weight and I gave him 30 years advantage
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and he did play professional sport so
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albeit in a rather gangly style if I may
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say so if you're listening guy but we
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had a whole lot of fun in the ring
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together he was very kind and gentle
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he's spent a fair bit of time cuddling
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not much time hitting each other yeah
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but I did thoroughly enjoy it I just
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find I don't know what it is about
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boxing there's some I mean do you know
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Joe Parker for example yeah I know Joe
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very well like about as good a bloke you
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should ever meet the other planets just
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a champion fellain I love the pi people
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I I love the humility people like Monty
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beat them and Kevin milama who have end
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up being friends with the humility is
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staggering because they're so good at
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what they do they have this amazing
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humble streak and this will come as a
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surprise to you ball man but I don't
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have that humble Street
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actually yeah there's a new issue of
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Metro magazine out and there's a quote
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in there from you saying I Am a Man on
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Fire I am Unstoppable did I say that
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really yeah it's in there I didn't know
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that I saw the cartoon they did of me I
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thought the cartoon yeah it's quite nice
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but it's like um I re I read then I
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laughed out loud because I've known you
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for a long long time
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um and I wonder like how much of stuff
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like that is um as you know fake it till
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you make it and how much of it is
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absolute self-belief yeah I'm on fire no
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that's that's true I mean that's what I
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am as a person and someone said to me
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the other day about I have so many
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political advisors these days and they
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do what I call pulling you out of shape
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they did it to Judith Collins and
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completely destroyed what she was as a
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politician and I refuse to be anything
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but the authentic Leo and they keep
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saying to me you've got to moderate
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you've got to modify you've got to
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change this change out said I can't
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because I can't act I'm Leo I've always
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been Leo I'll die Leo you've known me
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for how many years now yeah maybe 30 odd
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years and I've never changed um you know
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I'm just I am what I am so I know that
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I'm different but it doesn't bother me
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I'm very comfortable in my own skin and
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I know that if I start acting I'll be
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exposed immediately as a fraud and I
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know that then I'll have to like so I
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have to pretend I'm something that I'm
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not yeah and I've never had to do that
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in my life and I don't want to start
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doing it ever so now we'll go through
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everything in a progressive order about
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um we we've been where you are where
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you're going to but at this point we
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should probably say how we know each
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other I was like a rising Radio Star I
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was a local celebrity in Palmerston
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North I had the radio name you're not a
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celebrity board man you're a little too
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I just go to school you hadn't had a
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shave you had a pimply for the face and
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we used to Pat you other head and say
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get us a coffee long black half a
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teaspoon of honey everyone's run around
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Mr wish used to treat you like [ __ ] your
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whole life you're a subspecies let's
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make an absolutely clear
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I was a big deal I was a rising star of
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New Zealand radio it was the Mike Weston
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baldwick show it's called Baldrick
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because uh there was a TV show with
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Rowan Atkinson Blackadder that was on at
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the time and that's exactly what you
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were you were you're a craven little
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wimp who was in the trenches he wasn't
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brave enough to [ __ ] and we treated
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you accordingly
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so that's how I got to meet Leo because
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uh Leo I think that's shortly after you
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made the transition from vet to okay so
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I'll talk you through Hospitality let me
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make one thing clear though we had very
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low aspirations and we aimed very low
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with you bald man we saw you going
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absolutely now we're in life and I was
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staggered and amazed and gobsmacked when
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I got to walk on the phone at the year
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of celebrity
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that's why I've always called you
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Baldrick when I see you out running or
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walking or whatever and people go oh no
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that's Dominic Harvey that's baldwick
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all right yeah Leo has always always
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could be there so there's aspects like
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that you just never you never change but
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you I don't know if you remember this it
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was probably nothing to you but it was
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um it was a very very kind gesture to me
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so I was probably 18 19 maybe 20 at the
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time I think I was still living at home
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with my parents my dad wouldn't even
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lend me his brown Subaru Legacy and you
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and I had become like reasonably good
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friends quite good friends and uh I
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think I am
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forget how it came about but it was like
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boxing day or something and I gave you
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and your wife and Maria ride to the
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airport Marianne yeah she's still my
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good mate now she's part of my political
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campaign is she yeah it sounds great
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yeah and you you when I dropped you off
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at the airport you tossed me the keys to
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this um BMW it was like a convertible
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thing with three two five eight Cream
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leather seats probably with mustard
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colored seats yeah and charcoal black
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charcoal black with mustard mustard yeah
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probably worth more than my parents
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house and you you checked me the keys
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and sit here have this just pick us up
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when we get back and I was driving
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around in this car for like a week yeah
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that's not a big problem though I said
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what's wrong with that oh well it was an
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outstanding level of trust and uh I was
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humbled by it it's one of those things
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I've never ran the insurance company
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there's a weirdo driving my car around
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don't have him arrested no I don't think
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that's a big thing there's nothing in
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there it's just a gesture in it yeah
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well no well it means a lot to me at the
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time and it's not one of those things
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I'll never forget I was doing a Monty
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beat them about you and I said you know
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we were saying Leo is one of the most
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loyal people you'll ever meet uh did you
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pull any birds with that car that
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weekend
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because I have to worry I sent it to the
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car cleaner they couldn't get that map
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of Australia if if there was if there
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was if there was a like a white colored
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stain on the seat it was probably aioli
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from the KFC because I did not even get
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lucky in that 150 000 car it wasn't 150
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Grand I can tell you that exactly um but
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you at that time you you were you had
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the most successful bar in Palmerston
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North you were a big deal like you heard
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it back with the fat lady's arms which
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um I think if you go back in the history
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of Palmer's North which is a student
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town I think most people would probably
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agree the Fitz is the most iconic bar
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ever but I'd say the second most iconic
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student barrier is your one okay so we
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got lucky let's make that clear I spend
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hardly any money but I came up with that
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name which was pretty edgy at the time
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and not even sure it was schematically
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correct but it attracted a lot of
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interest and as you know I developed an
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advertising style where I decided that I
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would say the opposite of what I wanted
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and see how the market reacted to it so
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my standard line was um if you've got
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Homespun juices your names Hamish or
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Sarah or Victoria or Charlotte don't
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come to in fact ladies we don't want you
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there no more hours
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and then I developed the Fine Art of um
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saying exactly the opposite of what you
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meant knowing that people would react
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accordingly so and I haven't changed in
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case right right um but the um and there
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was um this famous campaign you used to
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run all the time with tencent points
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I ran it for a while because I've always
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been a believer in Lost leaders I watch
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how the supermarkets operate and all the
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big supermarkets run lost leaders so I
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wouldn't be able to do a 10 cent pipe
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nowadays because the alcohol act has
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changed considerably so you've got to be
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compliant but in those days you're
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allowed to do it but once again that
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comes with responsibility you couldn't
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sell 10 10 pints to one person because
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if they got pissed it's your problem yes
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it was I mean it was kind of misleading
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so that was served out of this little
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window at the front so yeah
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30 people or several times
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but your ads were a gimmick as well like
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you you they stood out on the radio like
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it was yeah fat ladies Arms This is in
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your voice best bar and garden bar in
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the world and that's a fact no
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get your pitching timing right the best
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bar in the world and that is a fact I'm
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gonna say and that cause is a fact they
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were not that mellow and people are
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still repeating to me now it's stood Us
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in good stead in terms of
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um where I've ended up in life and the
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rich history the rich tapestry that I
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had behind me yeah I don't think fat
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ladies have changed the rules but it
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didn't do any harm you know there was it
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was never a place we thought it was
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iconic yeah but how many how many did
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you end up with it it didn't look like a
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bit of nine of them there was nine right
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yes it's strange enough every University
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we decided um deserved one warranted one
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and then some weird places come out of
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the woodwork and wanted them like
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waikanae of all places like it's like
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God's waiting room like and I've ever
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aged 112. it's like yeah you just go
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ahead and wait to die but anyway um yeah
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we did one in waikana which I could
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never understand but when Marion and I
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split up we split up in about 97
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um she got all those assets so I largely
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detached from them and went into
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different
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um sphere of hospitality yeah what
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happened there what happened with your
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first marriage you don't want to talk
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about that or not really yeah I'm happy
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to talk about oh well I own everything
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that I do wrong in life so I had a fling
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and don't know what came over me you
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know it was lasted for about a week and
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then obviously it ruined our trust and
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ruined our relationship and I saw the
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girl I had a fling with about five years
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later and there was no chemistry at all
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it was quite bizarre at the time for
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some strange reason it just wasn't like
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that you know and you just look at each
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other in the eye and you just knew so it
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was just going to end the second end
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well so yeah do you think the marriage
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would have lasted otherwise or do you
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think you're still really good mates of
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Marion she's great and um the kids are
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great too Donna and Nikki they both live
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in Melbourne now so no I it would should
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have lasted it's all my fault so having
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said that you know I got married again I
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had five beautiful kids with my second
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wife so so I can't complain you know
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everything in life is meant for a reason
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really so you just got to roll with it
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what happened with the second one very
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good point at the same age 41 she
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decided to leave at two o'clock in the
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morning we've been to toddy Brent Todd's
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birthday party and um I just felt
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something wasn't quite right when we got
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home we were living up an Arnie Road and
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remuer and she just said to me about 1
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32 in the morning as I got home I said
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and brush your teeth mode and jump into
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bed and she said I'm going I thought oh
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she's going to go and get a pie down the
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gas station or something I said we're
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going from going I'm taking the kids and
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I'm going and I just thought I was a
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joke but sure enough she got all the
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kids out of bed and she went and never
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come back so so that's why I remember
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seeing you after that you were you were
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devastated for a while you're
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heartbroken you were trying to trying to
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win her back trying that really really
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really just did destroy me I had to go
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through a lot of deep intensive sort of
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therapy to deal with it yeah and I don't
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think I've ever really recovered from it
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to be honest with you you know it's um
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I've tried to put up a smoke screen in
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life and tried to pretend but the
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reality is that was um that was the one
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that cut your dick really hurt me yeah
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would you say you were depressed at the
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time was I depressed if I was I didn't
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know about it but I went to therapy
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anything I mean hey it's for fun times
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at therapy I mean the problem with I go
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to therapy
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there's a lot of therapists to say and
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the audience member and you're a
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comedian yeah well that's that's exactly
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what happened so this is quite funny so
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I rang up my mate I want his mentor's
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name and I knew it he had a few problems
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and I said listen um I need the best
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therapist in town I'm pretty [ __ ] up
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so I need to get sorted out he said
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there's only one bloke to go to go to
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this fellas I went to this place
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um a beautiful building and looked
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expensive and was expensive so I've gone
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and went into the waiting room he's
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called me and it's like going into the
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library of a sort of a professor you
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know so you sit down on the couch and he
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starts talking asks you a couple of
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questions and as I'm sure you know
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better than anyone you ask me a question
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about 20 minutes later you're still you
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know I'm still talking away blah blah
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blah blah so talk about something
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completely yeah yeah a little off on a
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tension so on at the end of the fourth
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my fourth session and I've got a feeling
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it was turned a good session but it
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could be long I might have been 150 but
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it was expensive anyway yeah so at the
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end of the fourth one he said um are you
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enjoying the whole experience and I said
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well I am but I just wonder whether I'm
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getting fair value out of it he said
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what do you mean getting fair value I
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said well I was hoping that you'd give
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me something by way of a mantra
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something to chant inside my head so if
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I'm having a dark moment laying in bed
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at night staring at the ceiling
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um you know wondering what Ingrid's
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doing and blah blah blah I need to have
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something that I can default to just
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kind of
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um tune myself out and just relax and he
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says you know I'd absolutely love to
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help you with that and I said well why
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haven't you he said because you haven't
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stopped talking for four hours
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and he said to me this is what he said
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to me he said I went to become a what do
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you call him counselor I'll call him
00:18:08
that'll do yeah okay but he went to the
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state 20 and 20 in the intake each year
00:18:12
and he was the only male of his intake
00:18:13
right and he said he didn't speak for a
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year he just listened well when he got
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19 woman on one plate you would have
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much choice
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you wonder why all your wives
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so he said that he just listened for you
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and he said it was a magnificent art to
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learn how to listen and I've got to say
00:18:26
I haven't perfected that up but but yeah
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I do talk a lot and even at dinner
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parties people say that I do like the
00:18:32
room up when I walk in and I'm there's
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never a pregnant pause and I'm around if
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you stop to you know take a breath or
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something you're talking to me I just
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pick up where you were and just carry on
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so but that's one of my weird little
00:18:41
characteristics it's just what I am as a
00:18:43
person I suppose you'd argue it still be
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in good stead for Hospitality it's quite
00:18:46
a useful tool to have what tools have
00:18:48
you done or what what have you done over
00:18:49
the years to like to make sure you've
00:18:51
stayed in mentally good shape I suppose
00:18:52
it sounds like that relationship breakup
00:18:54
with Ingrid was probably the low point
00:18:55
of your life yeah uh no no no no no no
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no dad died when I was 11. okay nothing
00:19:00
can ever match that so Jesus and even
00:19:02
now if I start I think about Dad for too
00:19:04
long I'll develop tears in my eyes mum
00:19:06
wasn't so bad because I was a lot older
00:19:07
when mum died and I kind of accepted it
00:19:09
you know like mum was old too yeah back
00:19:11
to your dad during a living because I
00:19:13
had um Hayden wild the um the Olympian
00:19:16
triathlete on the podcast a couple of
00:19:17
weeks ago he got a bronze medal last
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year uh his dad died in a uh like a crop
00:19:22
dusting accident when he was like 10
00:19:23
years old and we talked about that a
00:19:25
little bit and he said he understands
00:19:27
the magnitude of it now but at the time
00:19:29
he was sort of too young to understand
00:19:30
it did you sort of understand it at the
00:19:32
time at 11 what a big deal it was or no
00:19:34
I don't even look back now that you go
00:19:35
it's to me it was um all handled wrongly
00:19:38
but it was the way it was in those days
00:19:39
it's like in those days your parents
00:19:41
used to smack it so you just accept you
00:19:42
got smacked no one would do it nowadays
00:19:44
but back in those days
00:19:46
um unlike now when someone dies like my
00:19:48
grandmother died and then my mum died
00:19:50
you have an open coffin in the lounge
00:19:52
and you it's part of the Detachment
00:19:54
process you accept the spiritual part of
00:19:56
the person is gone right only looking at
00:19:58
a piece of I don't want to sound crude
00:19:59
here but a piece of fish just flesh yeah
00:20:01
the person's not there anymore and when
00:20:03
you realize that after a few days you're
00:20:05
detach and you're ready to put the top
00:20:06
on the box and say goodbye and give them
00:20:09
one last kiss on the forehead but with
00:20:10
Dad we went in about to go to the
00:20:12
funeral so there were seven kids I was
00:20:13
11. I was the second oldest we went
00:20:15
allowed to see him in hospital
00:20:17
um mum just handled it all on her own
00:20:18
and Mum was only young mum was only 33
00:20:20
but she handled it he had a stroke four
00:20:23
years before and um he called me his
00:20:25
right hand man I was the second eldest a
00:20:27
second boy but he could call me Leo
00:20:29
Johnny my right hand man so there's
00:20:31
still obviously a real there's an issue
00:20:33
there which I've never had dealt with
00:20:34
them I don't know how I would deal with
00:20:36
it I don't know whether some sort of
00:20:37
psychotherapy would help me deal with it
00:20:39
but I often want used to for years
00:20:41
afterwards lay in bed at night picking
00:20:42
it was a joke that it didn't happen that
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he would just walk in the door one day
00:20:45
and give me a big hug and say ah I
00:20:46
tricked you but never happens do you
00:20:49
think do you think that's where some of
00:20:50
the because you're um you're like a
00:20:51
brawler like you uh you mentioned before
00:20:53
you like you like being in the the
00:20:55
boxing ring um and you are you are quite
00:20:57
Brash and confrontational do you think
00:20:59
like some of that sort of anger comes
00:21:00
from just the things that you've been I
00:21:02
don't even think it's anger yeah I think
00:21:04
I have um I have a huge amount of
00:21:06
confidence but I I do have the unique
00:21:08
ability to talk to everyone and
00:21:10
sometimes talking to people doesn't
00:21:11
always evolve and um yeah you might
00:21:14
think it's Brash and confrontational
00:21:15
it's probably confrontation with the
00:21:17
media and the reason that is it's a
00:21:19
fairly simple explanation is that when I
00:21:21
came here in the late 90s um Julie had
00:21:23
carved The Blaze trailer ahead of me oh
00:21:25
so this is your sister Julie Christie
00:21:27
who made uh made a lot of money as the
00:21:29
boss of touchdown TV made a lot of
00:21:31
reality TV she worked for mainstream
00:21:32
television for Neil Roberts and stuff
00:21:34
and she's a Dame now she's a Dame yeah
00:21:36
and she's she didn't say she's done the
00:21:38
best out of anyone in the family uh
00:21:40
that's a subject of considerable debate
00:21:42
okay I remains to be seen who goes to
00:21:45
the Grave with the most letters in front
00:21:46
or behind their name okay I'm pretty
00:21:48
sure I'm still in front as we're
00:21:49
speaking but anyway so Julie had blazed
00:21:51
the trail but I think she may have made
00:21:53
a few enemies along the way because
00:21:54
Julie's feelings um I wouldn't say
00:21:57
ruthless but she's Julie does things
00:21:58
Julie's way and oh she's a tough boss as
00:22:01
well and uh uncompromising you know yeah
00:22:03
so but the media came to me with a toxic
00:22:05
approach so from day one when I arrived
00:22:07
in town when I did Euro was the first
00:22:09
significant impression I made in this
00:22:10
city so Euro there's a big restaurant on
00:22:12
Queen's Wharf and uh like the Auckland
00:22:14
princess so that was in the top 50 in
00:22:17
the world the first year so it did
00:22:18
change the completion of Auckland
00:22:19
Hospitality but the media were never Leo
00:22:22
friendly they never came to me on the
00:22:23
basis of hey Leo can you tell us a story
00:22:25
it was always so and so said this about
00:22:27
you or what have you got to say about
00:22:28
this or it was always a trap they'd
00:22:30
reach out to you and they'd ask you a
00:22:31
rhetorical question oh no because they
00:22:32
knew you gave good sound bites yeah that
00:22:34
is true if someone comes to me with a
00:22:36
with a question that's loaded rhetorical
00:22:38
toxic they're looking for it they get
00:22:40
what they come looking for yeah and
00:22:41
that's how I've always been and as I
00:22:43
said before I can't act so for the last
00:22:45
sort of since I've had mural aspirations
00:22:47
since about July last year I've tried to
00:22:49
be more calm and controlled with the
00:22:50
media more tolerant
00:22:52
um covert's been great for me because
00:22:53
it's given me the opportunity and the
00:22:55
media have seemed to have accepted this
00:22:56
that there's a lot more to Leo Miller
00:22:58
than being some badass party boy which
00:23:00
I'm not anyway as you know but that's a
00:23:01
picture I've always painted you know the
00:23:03
the infant turbo is that how you say I
00:23:06
don't know what is that I've never heard
00:23:07
that that's a French saying from a
00:23:08
little badass you know Troublemaker but
00:23:11
they say that about me but they're all
00:23:12
the Aging bad boy of hospitality the
00:23:15
other day Russell Brown said what I say
00:23:17
to make it Knocking need a certain
00:23:19
amount of anchorages and no better
00:23:20
example of a wanker in this town than
00:23:21
Liam which I wasn't offended I get the
00:23:25
feeling you quite enjoy the notoriety it
00:23:26
doesn't bother me yeah I mean at the end
00:23:28
of the day ball man you are what you
00:23:31
choose to show people so people who know
00:23:33
me well like you you know me and you
00:23:35
know that I'm not what the media painted
00:23:37
me but I choose to show the media inside
00:23:39
yeah there's there's so much more I want
00:23:42
to get into with the um the murality
00:23:43
thing including the why but first of all
00:23:45
let's get back so you you leave
00:23:47
Palmerston North you go to Auckland
00:23:48
you're running Euro you're like the king
00:23:50
of Auckland right that that restaurant
00:23:52
was kicking ass oh you're being a bit
00:23:54
Grand there I wouldn't say king of
00:23:55
Auckland I was new in town and there's a
00:23:57
degree of Fascination but never king of
00:23:59
Auckland I mean there's a lot of people
00:24:00
who were um oh no that restaurant went
00:24:02
off though like it was hard to get a
00:24:03
table at Euro yeah well that's all true
00:24:05
but don't you don't you don't feel like
00:24:06
you're the king you still have to work
00:24:07
you have to you know I not long after I
00:24:10
got married again on May the 20th oddly
00:24:12
enough um it opened on August the 3rd so
00:24:14
simple months later I got married again
00:24:15
nine months later and when we had five
00:24:18
kids in quick secession so my hands are
00:24:20
full I never had any Illusions about
00:24:21
being the king of anything right and
00:24:23
just your hands were fault geez sounds
00:24:25
like a lot of things were full yeah
00:24:28
so okay so you're running Euro then you
00:24:31
ended up um I think I came to visit you
00:24:33
at that time from Palmerston North and
00:24:34
you you were living in the sick pad and
00:24:36
the Key West apartment building and once
00:24:39
again I think you do have a way of um
00:24:40
being very grandiose in the way you
00:24:42
describe things but I only rented that
00:24:44
place right in Key West so I've owned a
00:24:46
few places around here and I bought a
00:24:48
place up in remuera Road at one stage
00:24:49
but
00:24:50
um yeah no I don't think you want to get
00:24:52
too carried away with that part of your
00:24:53
life I mean I went broke not long after
00:24:54
don't forget I did a nightclub called
00:24:56
cardiac and it's been a ridiculous
00:24:57
amount of money thinking that I could do
00:24:59
anything so I did Danny Dolan's first
00:25:01
and I thought wow what can't I do I did
00:25:02
student bars and they worked I did a
00:25:04
restaurant that worked I did Danny
00:25:06
doolins that worked and I thought I
00:25:07
could just do anything so I um I tried
00:25:09
to be clever and do the best nightclub
00:25:12
ever and full of beautiful marble and
00:25:14
toilets where you could do lines of [ __ ]
00:25:15
in and and oh you could I remember the
00:25:18
toilets there yeah it was um they were
00:25:20
completely individual and they even had
00:25:21
a little Shelf at the back they had
00:25:22
bonking rails right you know League each
00:25:24
other up and Fiddle with each other and
00:25:25
do whatever you do but but as someone
00:25:27
who's making their money from alcohol
00:25:28
why is it a good idea to have a line
00:25:30
friendly toilets I wish I'd had you as
00:25:31
my business manager because I don't know
00:25:33
why but I suddenly thought that the key
00:25:34
to it was just to show everyone that you
00:25:36
could do anything and I took I mean I'm
00:25:38
not a very big drinker you know we've
00:25:40
been sitting here for half an hour and
00:25:41
I'm halfway through my first beer and
00:25:42
I'll probably yeah I've been chatting a
00:25:44
lot so two or three this has made me
00:25:46
being normal you know that but when we
00:25:47
did cardiac so I had this Vision that I
00:25:49
could create something absolutely
00:25:50
amazing that would change the town
00:25:51
forever but I'd never gone did any
00:25:53
research on nightclubs I've been to
00:25:55
Vegas and looked at all their nightclubs
00:25:56
and they had pretty good lighting they
00:25:58
had [ __ ] technology with cameras and
00:26:00
stuff but it was kind of more about the
00:26:01
DJ and pump pump and not my music scene
00:26:04
at all as you know I'm still doing sort
00:26:06
of palming type music a bit of Johnny
00:26:08
Cash but a Neil Diamond a wagon wheel
00:26:12
but you know I still I like my um Motown
00:26:15
in Seoul on a Sunday and stuff but my my
00:26:17
music roots are fairly um 70s 80s so and
00:26:20
I don't know what I what I was thinking
00:26:22
out there but um it didn't work from day
00:26:24
one the first how long did it take
00:26:25
before you realized oh [ __ ] we're in
00:26:27
trouble one weekend really on the first
00:26:29
weekend I watched the cameras from home
00:26:30
because as you know I don't go out at
00:26:31
night I'm always home early and I watch
00:26:33
the cameras and I rang I had two Junior
00:26:35
partners and I rang them and said we've
00:26:36
made it big time boys and this is a
00:26:39
phenomena so um when I went to look at
00:26:41
the till data and I thought no that must
00:26:43
be a mistake clearly they haven't um
00:26:44
cashed it off correctly so I went back
00:26:46
and checked again it was accurate I knew
00:26:48
then they they didn't come to spend
00:26:50
money on alcohol well so then how long
00:26:51
did it remain open for like how long how
00:26:53
long do you average money before we
00:26:54
didn't try and fix it before I put
00:26:56
another million in I know that and I
00:26:58
kept putting it in it was like a
00:26:59
bleeding archery and you keep thinking
00:27:01
will it ever turn around and a couple of
00:27:02
people who knew us and a bit of bother
00:27:03
reached out and tried to help me but um
00:27:06
it was just a hopeless case it was like
00:27:08
a it's like a soldier laying in the
00:27:10
battlefield and you're bleeding from
00:27:10
every orifice and at the end of the day
00:27:12
you may actually turn and walk away yeah
00:27:14
geez so no matter when you bleed out so
00:27:16
so did you end up bankrupt after that
00:27:18
yes I did yeah so um I lost everything I
00:27:20
had to make give me a car eight thousand
00:27:22
dollar Toyota ipsum we called it the
00:27:24
lizard it was a green card
00:27:26
oh my God so that's good for humiliation
00:27:29
I actually sought the advice of a very
00:27:31
wealthy man in town when it happened and
00:27:32
I said how do you see this unfolding
00:27:34
from here he said Auckland has got one
00:27:36
redeeming feature he said they will
00:27:38
forgive you but they want to see
00:27:40
humility he said you've got to drive a
00:27:42
really bad car around and you've got to
00:27:43
work and you people need to see you
00:27:45
taking your punishment eat a bag of
00:27:47
ducks say We'll forgive you and sure
00:27:49
enough that's what I did and they did
00:27:50
what didn't take very long a very very
00:27:53
very good man there's no chance you'll
00:27:55
listen to this podcast unless someone
00:27:56
refers them to it but a chat called Matt
00:27:57
wybourne who's been a friend for life
00:27:59
I'd met him not long before and he came
00:28:01
to me in the street one day and he said
00:28:03
um Orca needs you big time what do you
00:28:06
need to get started again and I said
00:28:08
well I'm in
00:28:09
a bit of bother if you haven't read the
00:28:10
herald you said that wasn't the answer
00:28:12
to the question he said I want to know
00:28:13
what you need to get started again and I
00:28:15
said I probably need an opportunity he
00:28:17
said if you've got one in mind I said
00:28:18
well I know a little sushi shop that's
00:28:20
for sale and if I could buy that it
00:28:22
might cost me this much to fix it and
00:28:24
I'll be away again and he said where do
00:28:26
I send the money to and I said where do
00:28:28
I sign he said you don't sign you just
00:28:29
shake my hand and we do business so he
00:28:31
sent 165 000 to my lawyers that day and
00:28:34
I bought the bar that became Cowboys
00:28:36
yeah right which is actually not far
00:28:38
from where we're sitting around this
00:28:39
building so I ended up owning two titles
00:28:40
there uh so that was an interesting
00:28:42
experience because they cut me back on
00:28:43
my feet and I learned my lesson I never
00:28:45
ever made another mistake I was just so
00:28:47
focused
00:28:48
and um within about a year of opening
00:28:49
that I did it all while I was bankrupt
00:28:51
but under the the model was given to me
00:28:53
by the official SLE they said if you do
00:28:55
it all this way here we'll support you
00:28:56
100 and the deal was Christianity is
00:28:59
that a bankruptcy is the government
00:29:00
agency that manages bankruptcy okay so
00:29:02
they said to me like this is how you're
00:29:04
going to do it this is exactly what
00:29:05
you're going to do and we'll support you
00:29:06
100 so I did exactly what they told me
00:29:07
and um I got it going and it was
00:29:10
absolutely flying and about a year after
00:29:11
I opened it
00:29:13
um it kind of changed Auckland um in
00:29:15
case you don't remember it was very
00:29:16
significant player in the hospital
00:29:18
sector yeah very small very small bar as
00:29:20
well 60 square meters yeah so anyway the
00:29:22
bank ran me up and they said why don't
00:29:24
you buy that building and it was the ANZ
00:29:25
to RBM for 40 years or 45 years now and
00:29:28
I said um
00:29:29
do not read The Herald I'm bankrupt they
00:29:31
said we don't care we watch your daily
00:29:32
receipts we know how much money you're
00:29:34
making so go and buy the building so I
00:29:36
bought that title and then I bought the
00:29:37
one next door and then
00:29:39
um Ingrid and I or Ingram to give her
00:29:42
credit this was all her initiative she
00:29:43
bought a half acre out into the ring and
00:29:46
we subdivide that and build a new house
00:29:47
and
00:29:48
before you're not we're back on our feet
00:29:50
and I went to Mark Weibel and I said
00:29:51
Mark um you know you've done me the
00:29:53
greatest favor of all time you are my
00:29:55
knight in shining armor but now it's
00:29:56
time to pay you back and he wouldn't
00:29:57
take the money the 165 wouldn't take it
00:30:00
back so I what wasn't it for him he
00:30:02
didn't even want his initial I think
00:30:04
because they were so strong and divide
00:30:05
up Violet Harbor Holdings and I'm still
00:30:06
up oh okay I think he thought you know
00:30:09
what Leo has this is what I'm thinking
00:30:11
he's never told me this but this is what
00:30:12
I'm thinking he thought that he said I
00:30:15
remember he said clearly Auckland needs
00:30:16
you we need people like you in Auckland
00:30:18
so
00:30:19
um he probably thought that I had
00:30:21
something to offer I don't know whether
00:30:22
he thought were it was fired up Centric
00:30:23
or whether it was just Auckland in
00:30:24
general but I'd like to think that I
00:30:26
helped enhance the footprint of the
00:30:28
viaduct the impression the viaducts made
00:30:30
from in in Hospitality but anyway I want
00:30:33
to tell you the story about Mark wyborn
00:30:34
saying I kept going back to him and
00:30:36
saying I have to give you this money
00:30:37
back because by that stage I was saving
00:30:39
hard and we'd already managed to do
00:30:40
something in Queenstown we're about to
00:30:42
do something in Queenstown yeah another
00:30:43
Cowboys we're rapidly expanding and
00:30:45
things are going so well for us and he
00:30:46
wouldn't take the money back and so I
00:30:47
had to trick him so I took him over the
00:30:49
road over here to that Industries in the
00:30:51
Japanese place and I took an envelope
00:30:53
and this is going so far back with some
00:30:55
bad checks I haven't seen a check for a
00:30:56
long long time and I wrote a check out
00:30:58
for the full amount and I think I had a
00:30:59
wee bit of interest but not much just to
00:31:00
barely cover the whatever it was
00:31:02
appropriate and I said to him please
00:31:04
take this it's just a letter it's just a
00:31:06
thank you but I don't want you to open
00:31:07
it until I leave so as I left he opened
00:31:10
it and he called out to me come back
00:31:11
here so I went back and he said I'll
00:31:13
take it but he said I want you to know
00:31:15
one thing I said what's that Mark he
00:31:17
said I've done what I did for you at
00:31:18
least a dozen maybe 15 times he said I
00:31:20
went through it to an 87 after the crash
00:31:22
yeah but he didn't go he said the banks
00:31:25
called him in and said we could roll you
00:31:26
if we wanted to but we won't there's
00:31:28
enough Blood on the streets already so
00:31:29
he said you're only the second person
00:31:31
ever paid me back but he said most
00:31:33
people don't not only don't pay me back
00:31:34
they never even acknowledge the fact
00:31:36
that I gave him the money which I
00:31:37
thought was Bloody interesting because
00:31:38
an incredibly rude yeah that's
00:31:40
remarkable well see this is my Irish
00:31:42
Catholic value so you know I mean when
00:31:44
mum bought us up with such storage
00:31:46
values and it goes to your bone quite
00:31:48
often you think to yourself now what
00:31:50
would I do oh no better still what would
00:31:52
mum do you know what would mum say mum
00:31:54
had sayings you know never leave food on
00:31:56
the table poor as we are don't waste
00:31:58
food
00:31:59
um mum would say things along the lines
00:32:01
of um what was it a judge a society by
00:32:04
how you treat your most vulnerable it's
00:32:06
just simple stuff but they're good
00:32:07
mantras by which you should probably
00:32:09
live your life and I'd like to think
00:32:11
that I haven't departed too far from
00:32:12
those value systems in a strange way
00:32:15
um I've always been of the view that
00:32:16
whatever happens in my life something
00:32:17
great comes of it so if I'm going
00:32:19
through like when Ingrid left with the
00:32:21
kids it's as you quite quickly observed
00:32:23
I went through a very difficult period
00:32:24
but I just knew somewhere on the horizon
00:32:27
something great would happen for me
00:32:28
again how could you be because I think
00:32:30
that's the thing with people that suffer
00:32:32
real mental illness or depression they
00:32:34
just can't can't see the end of that
00:32:35
[ __ ] storm well I've never doubted that
00:32:37
it's going to happen it's amazing how um
00:32:39
do you call it Serendipity how it comes
00:32:40
into your life it's just extraordinary
00:32:42
like I wanted to talk about JJ today and
00:32:44
lo and behold I opened my diary and I'd
00:32:46
forgotten and you're meeting with a
00:32:48
podcast it's weird how my life works
00:32:49
right it's always been that way so after
00:32:51
Ingrid and I split we went through quite
00:32:53
a protracted separation process through
00:32:55
the high court with a couple of lawyers
00:32:56
one of whom did neither of us any favors
00:32:58
but she was just doing a good job but
00:33:00
she drew it out and cost us all a lot of
00:33:01
money and a lot of fees and in the end I
00:33:03
was the one who said a lot I got an A4
00:33:05
bit of paper
00:33:06
put our assets on the left-hand side of
00:33:07
the paper I put the value on the right
00:33:10
that I would pay for them and I said
00:33:12
Ingrid and her flash lawyer take this
00:33:14
away for lunch and bring it back and if
00:33:15
you don't think I'm being fair you
00:33:17
decide what you want to buy and what you
00:33:18
want to sell what your seller will buy
00:33:19
at the price I've listed what you want
00:33:21
to take you take that so Ingrid took
00:33:22
Cowboys and cowboys alone debt free 250k
00:33:25
in the bank took the business great
00:33:27
business great great business so she's
00:33:29
set up for life forever but she had the
00:33:31
five kids and I was happy to do it so I
00:33:32
was back on the street effectively and I
00:33:34
had nothing and I had no opportunity but
00:33:36
guess what happened about a month later
00:33:37
I get a phone call from October holidays
00:33:40
can you come and talk to us
00:33:41
so I got the opportunity again and here
00:33:43
I am still here five years later who
00:33:45
knows where that's going to end but
00:33:46
that's a bizarre thing because I had
00:33:47
nothing and suddenly I've got everything
00:33:49
again has that been a good business for
00:33:51
you even in spite of the challenges with
00:33:53
um the pandemic over the last couple of
00:33:54
it has been yeah David you know that
00:33:57
cover is a nightmare for everybody but
00:33:59
of course it's been a great business for
00:34:01
me you know I mean I've done some things
00:34:02
there that uh if I'd it's easy to have
00:34:05
you know with the wisdom of hindsight is
00:34:08
easy but I'm not really a real Vision
00:34:10
mirror person I'm a front windscreen
00:34:11
person so it's organic the way it's
00:34:14
grown the way it's changed what it's
00:34:15
achieved but it's definitely changed the
00:34:17
landscape of New Zealand Hospitality
00:34:18
some of the figures that it does are
00:34:20
staggery it comes at a high cost though
00:34:21
because there's 80 odd staff over there
00:34:23
full time and even more in summer and
00:34:26
that is quite taxing you're effectively
00:34:27
running five businesses simultaneously
00:34:29
and I run my business as very pyramid
00:34:31
shape you know when I go to war there's
00:34:32
only one person in command it's not not
00:34:34
a group of 10 to pick from or share the
00:34:36
responsibility with I'm in the trenches
00:34:38
on my own so yeah I take a lot on but
00:34:40
yes it's been great for me and I've
00:34:42
enjoyed that at the moment I've enjoyed
00:34:43
the ride I'm 66 next week and um well
00:34:46
what are you spending your pension on
00:34:48
each week a few hundred bucks go
00:34:49
straight to the kids really I don't see
00:34:50
it go straight to the kids my 20 my
00:34:52
daughter's 20 today Amelia Jane Cecilia
00:34:54
if Mouse is listening hi Mouse dad loves
00:34:56
you but Mouse has just decided she wants
00:34:58
to take up riding which is a curse
00:35:00
because I'm obviously a writer of some
00:35:02
extraction and so Mouse calls me last
00:35:04
week or goes through her sister George
00:35:05
and says tell Dad I found the boots that
00:35:07
I want what sort of boots are they uh
00:35:09
R.E.M Williams for the little inverted
00:35:11
heel thing on them they're very trendy
00:35:12
and flashed up and what are they the 595
00:35:14
oh and I need job for Zen I need a skull
00:35:16
cap so so and 120 bucks a lesson so uh
00:35:20
you just when you think I know I know
00:35:22
and I've got five of them five of them
00:35:23
three at University and two still at
00:35:25
secondary school and they're all
00:35:26
expensive they all do rowing and all the
00:35:28
bloody whatever kids do who feel
00:35:30
entitled and we got to get to the mere
00:35:31
thing but if you come become mere it's
00:35:33
going to be a substantial pay cut
00:35:35
from being the boss of the headquarters
00:35:37
oh man I'm not doing it for the money I
00:35:39
know I know except but so I've got
00:35:40
another assets though so right we bought
00:35:42
that building that o'hagen's and and we
00:35:44
bought that about nearly three years ago
00:35:45
now and their their lease expires this
00:35:46
year so
00:35:48
um I mean to without being too much of a
00:35:49
wanker I don't really need to work again
00:35:50
if I don't want to okay I probably will
00:35:52
because I like work but but I could just
00:35:54
sit back and do nothing probably go up
00:35:55
to Rarotonga and buy a place on the
00:35:57
beach and spend five months a year up
00:35:59
there in seven down here and just go
00:36:00
back and forward and be quite happy yeah
00:36:01
you you wouldn't be very good at sitting
00:36:03
still would you I feel like you yeah you
00:36:05
need a project you need something to do
00:36:07
I've got a good work ethic and I never
00:36:09
ever ever have to say to myself get out
00:36:11
and go and do some work yeah okay I'm
00:36:12
more of the persuasion I have to say to
00:36:14
myself go home and chill and rest and
00:36:15
yeah spend some Leo time but I've
00:36:17
learned in recent years mum was a great
00:36:18
go to bed and listen to radio Pacific
00:36:20
person so which was you know incredibly
00:36:22
banal
00:36:23
um talk back you know this is Barbara
00:36:25
here from temuka they haven't fixed the
00:36:27
potholes in the road outside my house
00:36:29
for three and a half [ __ ] years
00:36:30
anyway mum loved that [ __ ] they're nice
00:36:33
to say to mum how can you listen to that
00:36:34
rubbish but I find myself to I can never
00:36:35
see it be and more importantly though I
00:36:38
love geopolitics and I like things like
00:36:39
epidemiology so I like going home now at
00:36:41
eight o'clock every night I have a
00:36:43
process that I go through to wind down
00:36:44
before I go to sleep and I'm very
00:36:46
structured in the way I live my life are
00:36:48
you lonely now
00:36:49
no I could within reason and I have a
00:36:53
I've never been short of girls in my
00:36:55
life and and I've just had a had a
00:36:57
girlfriend for nearly three years and
00:36:59
she decided she wanted to go and do
00:37:00
other things which I was 100 happy with
00:37:02
and my still mates yeah but no I'm
00:37:04
absolutely definitely not the only um a
00:37:06
country or you know I could have them
00:37:07
lined up Team Deep if I wanted
00:37:09
well I could but I don't know why but
00:37:12
girls like the pattern they like the
00:37:13
charm and in our Facebook profiling
00:37:15
surprise surprise woman 45 to 60 are my
00:37:17
biggest fan
00:37:19
yeah actually I feel like that's some
00:37:20
that's one thing you and me have in
00:37:22
common apart from the fact that we're um
00:37:23
you're not very well in doubt
00:37:25
um I haven't seen you in this year we're
00:37:28
both um kept from that sort of cloth
00:37:30
where people may form an opinion about
00:37:32
you and then when they meet you you
00:37:33
generally like prove them wrong okay so
00:37:36
that's a funny thing you should say that
00:37:37
because I've had to do a little bit of
00:37:38
media during the rounds and I did a
00:37:39
piece with um I fella from The Herald
00:37:42
and it was 45 minutes and we sat outside
00:37:43
in the coffee shop opposite nzme and we
00:37:46
did the chat thing like we're doing now
00:37:47
and he listened to my story and at the
00:37:49
end of it you could see he was staring
00:37:51
at me and you could just tell he was
00:37:52
looking deep and saying what's going on
00:37:53
there and I said what are you thinking
00:37:55
and he goes you just not what people
00:37:56
think you are and I said why do you say
00:37:58
that he said you'd so like Chloe
00:37:59
smallbrick and I said well don't quite
00:38:02
see how I'm like Chloe swarberg but put
00:38:04
the piece of the puzzle together for me
00:38:05
he said everybody has a preconceived
00:38:07
idea about you Leo everybody he said
00:38:09
until they meet you and everybody comes
00:38:11
away with the same impression you're
00:38:12
just not what people think you are which
00:38:14
I would attribute largely to the fact
00:38:16
that I've let the media painter picture
00:38:17
of me for a long time that I'm not a
00:38:19
particularly nice person you've given
00:38:20
them exactly what they want maybe you
00:38:22
danced to the tune they wanted to maybe
00:38:24
actually they're pretty poor [ __ ]
00:38:25
painting that's all I'll say because but
00:38:27
I feel like the media has come to you
00:38:28
because they know they know they're
00:38:29
going to get a good sound bite off well
00:38:30
they do say that they once told me the
00:38:32
guy from The Herald said there's four
00:38:33
things and I can only remember two of
00:38:34
them that we everybody wants to see as a
00:38:36
lead story in the herald one's Leo Maloy
00:38:37
and one's the royal family the other two
00:38:40
but I think covert might be one of them
00:38:41
I said why the [ __ ] do you bother why do
00:38:43
you ring me you know why do you he said
00:38:44
because we now if we ring you that about
00:38:46
10 minutes later we'll have the
00:38:47
recording device on and you'll finally
00:38:48
come up for breath and somewhere in
00:38:50
there in that secret I'll tell you who
00:38:51
told me this the guy from the spin-off
00:38:53
told me that story he said people have
00:38:54
this weird view of you and then he said
00:38:56
he took this story he wrote a story
00:38:57
about me he won some sort of prize for I
00:38:59
don't know what it's for probably the
00:39:00
command our story of the year or
00:39:01
something but anyway he took it back to
00:39:03
his work and he said everybody at the
00:39:04
office said they thought you're a right
00:39:05
[ __ ] until they did I did the interview
00:39:07
and they read the story he said and they
00:39:09
all changed their mind which is
00:39:09
interesting so but that should be a
00:39:11
fairly typical response I agree fully
00:39:13
and sitting down with yourself I do feel
00:39:14
like you've mellowed a little bit I I
00:39:16
would have said I have you you're one of
00:39:17
those people that like the fabric of you
00:39:19
hasn't changed much since I've known you
00:39:20
in like 30 years but I do feel like um
00:39:21
the edges are a little bit softer now
00:39:23
okay well if there's an insult no no
00:39:25
it's not mental bill but if that is true
00:39:27
that would be incremental so I'm not
00:39:28
aware of it it just it would creep up on
00:39:30
you over a period of time and I suppose
00:39:31
isn't it natural that any person as they
00:39:33
get older gets slightly more mellow okay
00:39:35
let's okay let's talk about that for a
00:39:37
second so this was um Grace Melania was
00:39:39
murdered by this um this piece of [ __ ]
00:39:40
yeah and you you breach the Supreme
00:39:43
order it did look like on the the
00:39:45
footage we saw on the news that you kind
00:39:46
of you kind of enjoyed your day in court
00:39:48
that late you're off for a day nothing
00:39:50
to apologize for I did it for the right
00:39:52
reason I thought about it so Jesse
00:39:54
kempson worked for my sister Julie at
00:39:55
oyster and chop yeah and there he met
00:39:57
Millie Rose who's the daughter of my
00:39:59
younger sister treys so and then he
00:40:01
flattened the one they always referenced
00:40:03
to The Faded with the Mount Eden that's
00:40:04
Millie Rose so she ended up marrying a
00:40:05
cop so we had our finger on the pulse of
00:40:08
exactly what was happening with Jesse
00:40:09
kempson all the time I knew he had the
00:40:10
nine further charges pending I knew he
00:40:12
had judge hunting trials penciled in I
00:40:14
knew he had two further charges of rape
00:40:15
I knew he had assault with a deadly
00:40:16
weapon I knew yes that's why there was
00:40:18
the suppression thing because they
00:40:19
didn't want it to uh how could it be
00:40:22
compromised when he had a judge hunting
00:40:23
trial and do you know how many days he
00:40:25
got added to a sentence got 17 years for
00:40:26
the brutal murder that was the most
00:40:28
despicable slut-shaming ever of a victim
00:40:31
Grace Malone was dead and they [ __ ]
00:40:34
shamed her from the judicial system
00:40:35
Simon Moore the judge at the time and I
00:40:37
don't care if he listens to this it
00:40:38
doesn't bother me one ounce this what
00:40:40
what they did to Grace monane's family
00:40:41
was disgusting on the third day of that
00:40:43
trial Jillian milane and David Milan God
00:40:45
bless the soul he's dead now died of
00:40:47
cancer probably from stress Jill Eminem
00:40:48
walked out of the high court and someone
00:40:50
pertinent young journalists probably
00:40:51
just left you know journalism School the
00:40:53
week before shoved one of those little
00:40:54
microphones looks like a dead mouse up
00:40:56
under her nose and said how you feeling
00:40:57
Mrs Mullane and she said and I this
00:41:00
nearly makes cry I've got three
00:41:01
daughters and three sisters right she
00:41:03
said I thought I came to New Zealand to
00:41:05
see the murder of my daughter around
00:41:07
child I didn't realize it was my
00:41:08
daughter who was on trial they had the
00:41:10
opportunity at any time to step in and
00:41:11
say I love that evidence should have
00:41:13
been suppressed that was never for
00:41:14
public consumption it's a disgrace what
00:41:16
they did to Grace Malone and it never
00:41:17
should happen again and if I got a
00:41:19
conviction out of it big deal my Bush
00:41:21
was commissioner please he carried a
00:41:22
conviction to his entire career didn't
00:41:23
hurt him I I know I know it came from a
00:41:26
great place yeah but but do you just
00:41:29
sort of regret it now do you think I
00:41:30
should have just what I said to regret
00:41:32
so
00:41:34
no regrets no regrets and I'll tell you
00:41:37
not only no regrets we're proud and
00:41:39
we're out loud I just don't care I mean
00:41:41
I go to the USA every second year of it
00:41:43
conference I've already checked with
00:41:44
them they said it's not a common moral
00:41:45
too but you're free to go I haven't
00:41:46
tried Australia yet I've been to the
00:41:48
Cook Islands how's it going to impede me
00:41:50
what do they achieve seriously what do
00:41:52
they achieve they shut up a few people
00:41:54
on the internet you can go on the
00:41:55
internet and say who killed race my name
00:41:57
well yeah with the other names out there
00:41:58
in the public domain names yeah and I
00:42:01
put it on a private website but and they
00:42:03
used to make 20 people saw it yeah
00:42:04
really they just Cherry Picked Me
00:42:06
because I'm Leo Malloy you're a big
00:42:07
attack I thought they could beat up on
00:42:08
Liam like good [ __ ] luck yeah who can
00:42:10
beat up on me how many people have
00:42:12
[ __ ] tried it's only ever ends one
00:42:14
way and some tears now never mind there
00:42:16
there he goes see five minutes ago I
00:42:18
said I thought you'd mellowed I just
00:42:19
hadn't I hadn't poked the beer in the
00:42:20
right place no it's just a bizarre
00:42:22
notion that they could somehow yeah you
00:42:24
know how can they hurt me with a fine
00:42:25
big deal with a bit of community work
00:42:27
big deal yeah you know I I spend my life
00:42:29
doing community workers you know so they
00:42:31
couldn't hurt me and then they wanted me
00:42:32
to be heard I mean I had a judge come
00:42:34
similar that is a very nice champ but
00:42:36
the judge comes to me said you must be
00:42:37
hurting about I said no you can't
00:42:39
[ __ ] hurt me good luck just smack me
00:42:41
in the nose it might [ __ ] hurt me for
00:42:43
about two seconds but there's just no
00:42:45
chance you could hurt me with that sort
00:42:46
of behavior yeah I I disagree I think
00:42:49
you're a little bit hurt by that no I'm
00:42:51
not you said you just said that I like a
00:42:53
little Bantam rooster going to court
00:42:54
with my pink jacket on yeah you know
00:42:56
come on I didn't care man all right okay
00:42:58
okay all I care about is that I feel
00:43:00
sorry for Jillian milane I'd love to
00:43:02
meet her one day and apologize for the
00:43:04
way the New Zealand Judiciary sanctioned
00:43:07
the [ __ ] shaming of her daughter it's a
00:43:08
disgrace what they did absolute disgrace
00:43:10
and it should never happen again I hope
00:43:11
they all learned their lesson and I hope
00:43:13
I had a very small part to play in
00:43:14
teaching them that you should show
00:43:15
respect that was a she was a young girl
00:43:18
Grace she was just feeling her way you
00:43:20
know as I said before explore exploring
00:43:22
the outliments of a sexuality she became
00:43:24
a victim of a serial killer he would
00:43:26
have been a serial killer he is a
00:43:28
dangerous man he's a dangerous man and
00:43:29
I've spoken to people since who worked
00:43:31
in Corrections and they all tell me the
00:43:32
same thing about them it's just a
00:43:33
psychopath yeah he has absolutely no
00:43:35
good and I don't believe in capital
00:43:37
punishment but if I was going to ever
00:43:39
put someone to the sword he'd be the
00:43:40
person not put to the sword come on keep
00:43:43
going no I know I feel like that's um
00:43:45
yeah that's case closed on that one okay
00:43:47
all right let's talk about the um the
00:43:48
murality thing first of all um why the
00:43:51
[ __ ] do you want to do this like you I
00:43:53
feel like you you are I told you before
00:43:55
I told you before the reason why and
00:43:57
I'll say it again in front of the
00:43:58
microphone because I never take the easy
00:44:01
option I never turn left of turning
00:44:03
right is the correct option the hard
00:44:04
option even Steve Hansen might he matter
00:44:07
of disclosure he's a personal friend but
00:44:09
I heard him give a small speech one
00:44:10
night to a group of people at a barbecue
00:44:12
at a dinner party and he was talking
00:44:13
about people in life who always turn
00:44:15
right and he used Richie mccurd as an
00:44:17
example and just for the sake of a combo
00:44:19
he threw me into the combo he said look
00:44:20
at the fella beside me he said he always
00:44:21
turns right I will never ever ever take
00:44:24
the easy option I don't care what it
00:44:25
costs me personally but it cost me in
00:44:27
terms of physical pain what it cost me
00:44:29
in money I will always do the right
00:44:31
thing I always have and always will and
00:44:33
I told you before the metaphor for how I
00:44:35
feel about the minority I feel like I'm
00:44:37
walking home late at night and I'm
00:44:38
watching 10 guys beating up one bloke
00:44:40
and the bloke's down on the ground he's
00:44:41
still getting his head kicked in I'm
00:44:43
never the guy who's going to walk past
00:44:44
I'm going to step up to the plate and
00:44:45
take the 10 of them on and I know I
00:44:47
won't win but I'll do it I'm that guy I
00:44:49
always have been but I feel like you're
00:44:51
you're at your best for you were you
00:44:53
like a dictator and I don't say that in
00:44:54
a mean way I mean in a like running a
00:44:56
business way like you can call the shots
00:44:57
and you can make [ __ ] happen I feel like
00:44:59
if you're mere you're just one voice
00:45:00
it's going to grind you down isn't it
00:45:01
that's true no I feel like you're going
00:45:03
in with good intentions but you're not
00:45:04
gonna be able to do is well if you
00:45:06
understand the super City model it's I
00:45:09
wouldn't say it's presidential but the
00:45:10
super City model is with the ccos the
00:45:12
way they're set up it lends itself to a
00:45:14
person like me who's a natural leader of
00:45:16
men and women
00:45:17
um of all people but who actually can
00:45:19
get things done it gives you the
00:45:20
opportunity to get things done was
00:45:22
written by the gnats for a person who's
00:45:24
fiscally responsible as it happens I'm
00:45:26
socially liberal too so I have a lot of
00:45:28
appeal across the Spectrum but it's
00:45:30
seriously broadly I don't see it as
00:45:31
being a difficult exercise at all I mean
00:45:33
there'll be territory people in Council
00:45:34
who will in the first instance and say
00:45:35
we don't like them we don't want to work
00:45:37
with them once they get to meet me like
00:45:38
you have yeah and like everybody does
00:45:40
yeah they'll fall in love I'll take them
00:45:41
to the gym I'll let them give me a
00:45:43
hiding if I feel like it probably give a
00:45:44
couple minutes I might take him out for
00:45:47
a run and [ __ ] terrorize them up and
00:45:48
down Landry Hill or something but I'll
00:45:50
make them I'll show them a different
00:45:52
side of life and I'll show them
00:45:53
sometimes it's not about you can't just
00:45:56
have lines in the sand that says I'm
00:45:57
left or I'm right or I'm black or I'm
00:45:58
white yeah life's not binary if you're
00:46:01
coming from the left but you happen to
00:46:02
think that something from the right is
00:46:03
correct you've got to agree to Traverse
00:46:05
the boundary and there'll be occasions
00:46:06
and I'll have to do it too I'll have to
00:46:08
bend with the window wee bit here and
00:46:09
there but I absolutely know that I'll
00:46:11
get things done and look who you've had
00:46:12
you've had back to back back to back leg
00:46:14
over Lynn Brown whatever you want to
00:46:15
call him Brown then you've had the
00:46:18
cardboard cutout Phil golf I mean what's
00:46:20
he [ __ ] done and he said he's hardly
00:46:22
ever appeared I've seen him once out in
00:46:24
the normal community in six years I
00:46:26
challenge you to find a person who's met
00:46:27
or fraternized a philkoff so and I'm a
00:46:30
man of the people I will never I've
00:46:31
already been offered personal security
00:46:33
and I've said no I don't ever want to be
00:46:34
the person who needs security I'll
00:46:36
happily wander around town on my own
00:46:37
I'll shake everyone's hand I'll have a
00:46:39
selfie with them I think about 400 000
00:46:41
people have my phone number now I've got
00:46:42
no intention change in my phone so but I
00:46:45
will be a good mayor I'll be a great
00:46:46
mayor because I'll make a difference
00:46:47
who's your main competitors who are you
00:46:49
who are your big threats
00:46:51
um big threats oh God uh who's a threat
00:46:54
let me think no like who's like if there
00:46:56
were tab odds who's who's like the
00:46:58
favorite are you the favorite I'm
00:47:00
favorite to get the gold favor to get
00:47:02
the silver and favor to get the bronze I
00:47:03
think there's only one place on the
00:47:04
podium I don't think anybody else is a
00:47:05
contender for the title offesso Collins
00:47:07
who appears to be a very nice chap uh
00:47:10
south side of town Evangelical
00:47:12
background
00:47:14
um I've watched his profile I've watched
00:47:16
him um FaceTiming on Facebook he's
00:47:19
interesting to watch I think he's
00:47:20
genuine he's not actually a bad speaker
00:47:22
either I might have but he's very
00:47:24
limited in his appeal across the entire
00:47:25
Spectrum he's very labor-oriented very
00:47:27
left and he's very Pro rates increases
00:47:30
which I don't think the city has an
00:47:31
appetite for oh nobody does no and from
00:47:33
the center right it's hard to say who
00:47:35
she represents but the Beck who's
00:47:36
normally associated with heart of a city
00:47:38
she's put herself forward I don't quite
00:47:40
understand what the represents are where
00:47:42
she thinks she's going to get a voting
00:47:43
support from right and who's um who's
00:47:45
Craig Lord because I saw a thing on
00:47:47
Twitter uh he he shared a like a screen
00:47:50
cap was this a text message that you
00:47:52
sent to him do you know what I'm you
00:47:54
know what I'm talking about say this guy
00:47:55
Craig Lord you've seen him
00:47:57
a text message saying um
00:48:00
um haha Craig who see you later
00:48:02
let's agree on one thing he got 30 000
00:48:05
votes funds when there was absolutely no
00:48:07
competition this time he's got real
00:48:08
competition he comes from a Speedway
00:48:10
background I'm told his nickname is
00:48:11
[ __ ] so I've known far too much about
00:48:13
him and I've never met the guy there'd
00:48:15
be more chance of finding an iceberg in
00:48:16
the middle of the Sahara than there
00:48:17
would be of him [ __ ] becoming me
00:48:19
right except I said again don't say that
00:48:21
f word I'm just being coached in the
00:48:22
background can we delete all those F
00:48:24
words I don't mean that I'm just being
00:48:25
affectionate can you say the F word in
00:48:27
an affectionate way but I can't edit all
00:48:28
of them out that'll be uh that'll be an
00:48:30
editing nightmare maybe uh if you've
00:48:32
listened to this and you've listened to
00:48:33
all the mural stuff and there's no
00:48:34
earphones during the mural stuff you
00:48:36
know that I've done an editing job
00:48:38
um oh so you said Craig lord said were
00:48:40
you just like like taunting him for
00:48:41
nothing yeah yeah what do you know you
00:48:43
have a relationship no it's a blood
00:48:45
sport and and I love blood Sports I was
00:48:46
born for blood Sports so yeah politics
00:48:48
and boxing they're just different
00:48:50
versions yeah it's physical and one's
00:48:51
sort of like a theoretical thing so so
00:48:53
if he wants to jump in the beer pit with
00:48:55
me good luck you know lots of advice can
00:48:57
you give a person like him he's got no
00:48:58
chance of winning he's going to get
00:49:00
mauled it's only a matter of how badly
00:49:01
will he survive it possibly will he be
00:49:03
bruised and battered definitely and he
00:49:05
might as well start licking his wounds
00:49:07
now
00:49:08
he might as well save himself some money
00:49:10
and go and do what he does best which I
00:49:11
understand is driving some sort of stock
00:49:13
cars they used to be he got 30 30 000
00:49:15
votes last time around what's a good
00:49:17
number of votes I've got absolutely no
00:49:18
idea to be honest in previous previous
00:49:21
um like council elections I go through
00:49:23
the book and you don't know any of the
00:49:25
any of the counselors that you're voting
00:49:27
for if you recognize someone's name
00:49:28
maybe you give them a tick for the mural
00:49:30
campaign if you recognize the name so
00:49:31
what do you think about recognition then
00:49:33
in terms of Leo Malloy if you were
00:49:34
looking at a voting paper if your
00:49:36
current girlfriend I'm not sure which
00:49:37
one it is because she's to rotationally
00:49:39
graze these days so it's a different
00:49:41
Panic every day but that's fine that's
00:49:43
your business you're a single man now
00:49:44
but but you open up your little orange
00:49:46
envelope and it says um you've got a
00:49:47
choice of names to pick from so let's
00:49:49
run through a couple well I'm voting for
00:49:50
you because I've known you for 30 years
00:49:52
and you're a sensible man you're well
00:49:54
and full so let's go let's start with
00:49:55
vanilla Viv Beck do you know no well I I
00:49:58
don't but I suppose if she's from like
00:50:00
that's fine so Collins you know
00:50:02
Professor Collins uh from from labor
00:50:04
yeah yeah but not well known on you no
00:50:07
not like a Phil golf yeah someone like
00:50:09
Leo Malloy as I said I've known you for
00:50:11
30 years and I know that you're you're
00:50:12
lawyer you don't live in a complete
00:50:13
level yeah yeah media works you know for
00:50:15
awesome work so whether it's Leo
00:50:17
malloy's sit on the radar of Auckland
00:50:18
life with you well I think that's the
00:50:20
thing that could work
00:50:21
oh I was gonna say I could wait for you
00:50:23
against you but probably more for
00:50:25
against you your your reputation well
00:50:28
all I would say is that's the 16 who
00:50:30
don't like me and every single person
00:50:31
who doesn't like me voted Green in the
00:50:33
last election so we've done the
00:50:35
retrospective analysis every person who
00:50:37
voted green doesn't like me right
00:50:38
exception yet I have the best screen
00:50:39
policies I'm green hydrogen driven I'm a
00:50:42
firm believer in green hydrogen as a
00:50:44
convergence of Technologies for the
00:50:45
future so I have great green policies
00:50:47
but they just have these preconceived
00:50:49
ideas based around what the media say
00:50:51
yeah the Fabrications of the media but
00:50:53
as things unfold as it evolves the
00:50:55
mineral campaign more and more people
00:50:57
will get the opportunity to listen to
00:50:58
what I have to say or see me live or
00:51:00
meet me in person and they all change
00:51:02
their mind so we have a hardcore we
00:51:04
think about 15 who totally support me
00:51:06
that translates to about a hundred
00:51:07
thousand votes we need about 120 000 to
00:51:09
win it so we're nearly there there's a
00:51:11
massive as a fluid pool of about 50
00:51:13
undecided but the reality is that
00:51:16
they're going to come across they're
00:51:17
going to side with the person who's most
00:51:19
eloquent who's best informed who's the
00:51:21
debater and we can win it with resources
00:51:24
as well so there's a multitude of
00:51:26
reasons why people will swing my way
00:51:27
toward the end how much how much money
00:51:29
are you gonna have to pump into this how
00:51:30
many how much have you got I know how
00:51:32
much you got paid when you're a job you
00:51:34
run like 800 Grand a year so I'm a
00:51:36
podcast today I just appreciate the
00:51:38
freebie I don't need much I don't need
00:51:40
much now what do you reckon What's it
00:51:41
gonna cost at like 100 Grand a couple
00:51:43
hundred no that's not the light to talk
00:51:44
about that stuff it's not okay you're a
00:51:46
long long way short Bud we don't talk
00:51:49
about how you resource because yeah and
00:51:50
not every candidate has the same
00:51:52
resources at their disposal and it's
00:51:53
unfair to talk about that and um just
00:51:56
before we sat down for this chat I um
00:51:57
meet you in your bar HQ and all the
00:51:59
staff are wearing um t-shirts and one of
00:52:00
them kindly gave me one Leo from here
00:52:02
are they do they have to wear their
00:52:04
shoes
00:52:05
I don't ask anybody or telemed to wear
00:52:08
anything we give away about 200 a week
00:52:09
and I just found out what they cost
00:52:11
today I've ordered another 1300. 10
00:52:13
bucks each 15 bucks each miles more than
00:52:15
that really it's ridiculous how
00:52:16
expensive they are I've been telling
00:52:18
people take one take two take five
00:52:19
whatever yeah and I've just got told
00:52:21
today I said well contact bill for the
00:52:22
week for t-shirts I think it was nine
00:52:24
grand for the week or something yeah and
00:52:25
I've ordered 1300 more so far and I said
00:52:27
to Michelle today my admin lady no more
00:52:29
that's it no Mass I I well I asked about
00:52:31
the shirts and yourself were here
00:52:33
because I thought I think it says a lot
00:52:34
like um Matt knows you know Matt
00:52:36
McCartney my campaign manager he comes
00:52:37
from Union background and anybody who
00:52:39
digs deep on me will tell you the same
00:52:41
thing my staff are so loyal and they
00:52:43
love me because I'm a genuinely good to
00:52:45
them and I've never asked one of them to
00:52:47
wear that t-shirt they decided that they
00:52:48
made an elected position themselves and
00:52:50
which I totally support for obvious
00:52:51
reasons but I've never once asked one of
00:52:53
them to wear it so but they they they're
00:52:55
all part of this ride as well so we're
00:52:56
in the spocker together and we're all
00:52:58
peddling in the same direction yeah oh
00:52:59
you're a good boss and you're a good
00:53:00
person and anyone that knows you knows
00:53:02
that yeah that's true I want to
00:53:03
reiterate that can you say it one more
00:53:05
time
00:53:06
how good am I really bull man I've
00:53:09
always been great to you having 35 years
00:53:10
I'll link you in my soft top stay in the
00:53:13
seats you stainless it was aioli from
00:53:15
the KFC all right Leah Miller full Mia
00:53:18
good mere not nightmare hopefully no
00:53:21
I'll be a great man I will change the
00:53:22
city I have a vision that no mere before
00:53:24
me has had maybe John Logan Campbell
00:53:26
going back a few years and funny enough
00:53:27
he was a doctor as well but I think I'll
00:53:29
give it nine years of my life and I'll
00:53:30
give it everything I've got and I'm not
00:53:32
interested in the money I'm only
00:53:33
interested in changing Auckland to make
00:53:34
it a better place to my view Tamaki
00:53:37
makaro has deserved its place on the
00:53:39
Pacific Rim as one of the glittering
00:53:41
diamonds and we have sadly gone through
00:53:43
a period where we've been bought our
00:53:44
knees by a multitude of factors but I'm
00:53:46
absolutely determined to put us back
00:53:47
where we belong to make it a great great
00:53:49
City and long after I'm gone I would
00:53:51
like to think that people will reflect
00:53:53
on it and go you know what we might have
00:53:55
doubted him when he first took over but
00:53:56
no one doubted him after and I'm pretty
00:53:58
sure I can say for some honesty that
00:54:01
there's already sections or sectors of
00:54:02
the media becoming arriving at that
00:54:05
conclusion now saying you know what he's
00:54:06
going to be a great mayor and you
00:54:09
promise you'll never have sex in the
00:54:10
naughty native Tower room I was called
00:54:12
what was the room
00:54:14
sacred room I would absolutely love to
00:54:16
if I could but I've got to say when
00:54:18
you're approaching 66 the Mind may be
00:54:21
willing but the flesh is Wake trust me
00:54:22
you can still dream about it but that's
00:54:25
where it begins and that's where it ends
00:54:27
and that's where this wind Leo love you
00:54:29
mate thanks love you two more men