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hi team and welcome to episode 20 of
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Runners only with dom Harvey that's me
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on this episode two raw sisters from
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Christchurch the Flanagan sisters Rosa
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and Margot yeah it developed over
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probably four years
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um where I ended up literally hitting
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rock bottom they um over trained which
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led to an eating disorder as well so I
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wasn't putting enough fuel in my body to
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do the insane amount of exercise I was
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doing before they got famous two royal
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sisters with best-selling books and
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sellout workshops Rosa Flanagan was a
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high performance Athlete on track for
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the Olympic and Commonwealth Games but
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her quest to run as fast as she can and
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be the best she could be came at a very
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very heavy personal cost it's kind of
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like an episode of two halves the first
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half is Rosa and her story and then in
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the second half the other royal sister
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Margot joins in and things get a little
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bit lighter but I really hope you enjoy
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actually
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[Music]
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[Music]
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[Music]
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um yeah there are two Royal Sisters here
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um your sister Margo she's in the
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background she might jump on the mic
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later hey Margo I'm not a runner so I'm
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not allowed to talk on the podcast she's
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just in the background there yeah you're
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lucky we even lit you into the apartment
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I'm just gonna learn a thing or two okay
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so for anyone that doesn't know the
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story about two raw sisters and what you
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guys are and what you're all about do
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you want to explain yeah sure so Marvin
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and I we started up two or sisters maybe
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three years ago now
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um so our whole philosophy is helping
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people base their meals around their
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plants so we say we welcome all leaders
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into our kitchen all leaders use our
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recipes so yeah introducing people to
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plants how to get them more creative
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around how they can cook with them in
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their own kitchen at home but using
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cost-effective simple familiar
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ingredients that they're familiar with
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oh God you guys must be terrible at a
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barbecue
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are you meat eaters yeah yeah so we do
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um we do eat meat so we're not vegan or
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vegetarian a lot of people tend to just
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focus around their meat and then kind of
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add the plants on the side and don't
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really put too much effort into it so we
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want to try and flip people's
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perceptions around how they do start a
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meal and try and start with the plant
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aspect and bring in plant-based sources
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of protein like your grains and nuts and
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seeds and legumes and things and then
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obviously top with your meat but you'll
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find that through starting with your
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plants and Grains and nuts and seeds
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you'll tend to add Less meat because
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it's more satisfying and filling with
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all those other plant-based things right
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now what you guys are doing has been
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incredibly successful you came on my
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radar I think a couple of years ago one
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of my producers said I follow these
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girls on Instagram they've got a mess of
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following you've got to have them and I
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had no idea who you were hadn't heard of
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you at that point but you've done like
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best-selling books you do workshops and
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tours all of the above um yeah so we
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specialize in plant-based workshops
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which we do all around New Zealand and
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I'm starting to kind of reach into
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Australia we have three top selling
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cookbooks in New Zealand we're actually
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about to launch our latest one
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which I can't say the title of quite yet
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in October this year and I've been yeah
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the last one that we did salad was top
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one for about the first 10 weeks it was
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launched wow top three since we launched
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so no it's going really well we've sold
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over 35 000 copies of that one now
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35 000 copies of one book of one book
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because I've put three books out and I
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think um the total sales for all of them
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is about 35 000.
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about my life yeah maybe you should try
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that next time now um the reason I've
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got you on here today is um you've got a
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fascinating backstory
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um heavily involved with you're um so
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you started running when you were when
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you're like intermediate yeah about 14
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years old I had a funny actually what
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were you doing what were you doing
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before that in terms of sport
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um I was an all-rounder so our dad was a
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um he played Cricket for Canterbury in
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New Zealand so we always had that
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sporting background
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Chris Flanagan never had all the better
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yeah back in the day right win like in
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the 80s 90s
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um
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who was in the team with them
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um oh don't ask me that I was just there
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watching and clapping really I was quite
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young for me was
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um playing Cricket professionally but we
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always were brought up around high
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performance Sport and going and watching
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him play and I always have been a really
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determined motivated person and always
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loved having a goal in front of me so I
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played a whole heap of sport hockey
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touch Devil in a bit of cricket
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um
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what else tried netball didn't like it
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cross country at primary school and
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things and then when I went to
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um High School I got introduced to
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Athletics and cross-country and kind of
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specialized in that middle distance area
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and that's where my love for running
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definitely started were you just sort of
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naturally good is that how you because I
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I went to um Palmer's North boys high
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school and I my mum was a runner so I I
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joined the harriers group but most of
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the guys in the harriers club were sort
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of like headhunted yeah so they were
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like rugby players that were really fast
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runners or whatever so did you have like
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a natural Talent yeah kind of I Carnival
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started when I got top three in the
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school cross country and then from there
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on you get into canterbury's and then
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from canaries you get International all
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Champs
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um and I remember one nation one Cannery
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Champs I got in the top ten and one of
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my good friends was a runner as well but
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she had a coach and was getting trained
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through this coach and a couple people
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came up to me and said you've got such a
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great you've got an awesome running
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style like have you ever had a coach
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before or like do train and I was the
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person who rocked up and had done a
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couple of runs down the driveway which
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was about a k long and that's it
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um and then yeah my friend just said
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come along to Athletics
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um one night after school and see if you
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like it and then from there on it
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um just kind of continued and developed
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and I got a coach and got a program and
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started training with my friend
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amazing and um and you were really
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really feel you're like your specialty
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event was like the three thousand five
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thousand meter Steeplechase three
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thousand meters civil Chase and five
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thousand meters oh just 5K okay why
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would anyone do the steeple chase I've
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every time I'm at a 400 meter track and
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I see those those galleys are they
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called galleys yeah um the water jumps
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yeah yeah yeah why why it looks awful I
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know everyone looks when I say it
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everyone's like how the hell did you get
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over those Steeples but I Pro I started
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in Cross Country actually
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um and I back in gosh probably 2010 I
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went over to the world cross-country
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Champs
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um in Malta which is a wheat Island just
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below Italy actually and I got
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um fourth there in the open girls and
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that was yeah where I actually was like
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should I I'm not too bad at this I can
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keep going when I had this idea in my
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head that I was good at something I keep
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striving for more and you know I just
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gave you that stuff yeah have these
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goals ahead of me and
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um
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yeah I'll talk about a bit later it kind
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of developed into something not so
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healthy but um yeah cross country was
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probably where I started and then I
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started in 1500 meters and then from
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there you have the 2 000 meter Steeple
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Chase and then you do the 3000 meter
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sequel right so what age are we talking
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here
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um I was probably about 16 years old
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right yeah so quite young
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like Malta for these events yeah it's
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phenomenal yeah well I had to actually
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I'm not going to lie I had to have a
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look on the internet under my portfolio
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in athletics New Zealand to see what I
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actually did because I look back now and
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actually he sort of blocked it out yeah
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it feels like a lifetime ago to be
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honest but um so how old are you now I'm
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26 years old so 10 years ago yeah so I
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went to world world youth Champs in 2013
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in Ukraine and I did the 1500 meters
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there
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um and then what set of times are we
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talking 1500 meters my PB was 4 12.
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sure that's good yeah I was actually
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well that's good I did actually write my
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notes down but
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um yeah so that was that was my first
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kind of other than the cross country my
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first
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kind of
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experience of that whole world stage and
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how intense it is it's not just your you
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know national champs even or your
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Canterbury Champs there's a whole lot of
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people and it's very off-putting and
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it's yeah believing in yourself I
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suppose and that you you're there for a
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reason and you are worth being there
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yeah I did get very
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um nervous in all of my events like I
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would almost be scared at the thought of
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probably more so the pain I was going to
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put my body through
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um I I love I have got that Runners High
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afterwards and with training and things
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I absolutely love training and the high
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it gave me but racing it was terrifying
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at some points is that right why why
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not not going to
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um
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boost my bubble or anything but I was
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very lucky in the fact that I
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was winning most of my races
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um and like in New Zealand and then I
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wasn't in the back group and on the
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world stage but it was probably more the
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pressure I was putting on myself to
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um
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you know for my coach and my family and
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friends and things like that and there
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was always qualifying times to meet so I
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suppose having those in the back of my
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mind and I'd always put yeah all this
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pressure and expectation on myself that
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overrated everything so just a fear of
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letting letting other people down yeah
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pretty much yeah yeah you um do you
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still have that now with your business
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stuff that you do is this I mean I
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suppose what I'm asking is is this just
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what you're like as a person so whatever
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you're doing you're going to put that
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pressure on yourself yeah it definitely
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has it's quite funny like the traits
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that you um that I learned from sport
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being motivated determined and that
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whole putting pressure on yourself and
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dealing with that pressure
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um has definitely transferred into my
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business life now now that I've retired
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from running and still do it for fun and
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casually but with my business like
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that's my that's my main focus right now
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and I've definitely had points where I
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have you know over consumed myself and
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business and work and being able to be
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aware of that and stepping back and
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having those tools in the back of your
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head on how you can bring yourself back
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yeah because anxiety is a big thing for
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me which I suffered both in when I was
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running and with my business and yeah
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it's just learning to learning learning
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to manage it yeah how do you how do you
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manage it
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um I actually meditate a lot I've just
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really started to get probably in the
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last couple months I've made myself
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really like be pretty consistent with it
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for a while I kind of dabbled in it here
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and there and didn't really see much in
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terms of the results of it and I thought
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no I actually need to do it consistently
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so I've been doing that even if it's
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like 10 15 minutes a day which has
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really helped me
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um and then yeah just having booking
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things out for yourself appointments out
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for yourself and not learning to switch
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off I suppose and yeah I suppose like
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the difference between what you're doing
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now with business with um two little
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sisters and you as a runner I mean
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you've got your sister to help you now
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yeah I suppose you can balance out each
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other out and you can lean on each other
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for support
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um yeah running is a very individual and
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very lonely existence isn't it it is
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yeah and I um that's Mark and I always
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say like gosh we're so lucky to have
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each other with you know the nature of
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what we're doing right now but yeah
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sport I suppose I loved that individual
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side of things because it you know
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you do the work and when you put
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yourself on that track or on the
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cross-country track and everything
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you've done is in your hands type of
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thing and yes that can obviously put a
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lot of pressure on yourself but at the
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end of the day it's it's you doing the
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work you're not relying on other people
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to when the when the match or when the
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game but you were obsessed right well
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I've I've um I think right and I've read
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stories about you and you um like you
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wouldn't even listen to your coach like
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yeah your coach would give you training
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to do and you'd sneak out and do extra
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training yeah yeah that's that is [ __ ]
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up yeah it is [ __ ] up yeah but well at
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the time I was super oblivious to it all
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I suppose going back to that I was
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running the best I'd ever run
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um both um internationally and Nash and
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New Zealand and obviously when the
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results are coming you just want to keep
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going and going because you see this
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potential here and then people other
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people see this potential in you as well
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when they're thinking gosh like you'll
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make the Olympics next year and you'll
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make the com games and then from those
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comments you then put that on your
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shoulders as an expectation from them so
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um yeah it developed over probably four
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four years
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um where I ended up literally hitting
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rock bottom for those four years I over
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trained which led to an eating disorder
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as well so I wasn't putting enough fuel
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in my body to do the insane amount of
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exercise I was doing um why won't you
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why were you eating properly that's one
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thing I love about running it gives me
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basically permission to eat whatever I
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want yeah why were you
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um were you trying to get your weight
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down I think for me a big thing was
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um body image I think with especially
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females it happens in males as well but
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you know I had this idea of what an
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elite successful female athlete looked
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like in my head and I needed to get to
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that point and you know it's that thing
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where you lock yourself in the mirror
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and you're never perfect enough and I
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constantly was looking and dealing with
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that every day and I suppose that was a
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way restricting myself the other things
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that I could control my training and my
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food intake and that was the way that I
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could get to my desirable image of being
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an elite athlete
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um which again like looking back when I
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was in that situation I wasn't super
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aware of what I was doing the damage I
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was doing I was more worried about the
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results I was getting with my running
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and where it was taking me just like in
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a position yeah yeah yeah I always say
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like I had a running Obsession everyone
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starts laughing
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it can be a thing you'd become addicted
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to it it's like yeah okay so um well you
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so you were legit good so you were you
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were a real if you kept at it even
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though it would have been the wrong
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thing to do for you physically and
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mentally you you would have been a real
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chance for like Olympics and comms yeah
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well I did actually
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um qualify but I got injured
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so that happened to me twice
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um and that was just a sign of my body
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literally breaking down before me
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um and it took me like I had to hit rock
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bottom in order for me to realize what I
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was doing and I was super Lucky in the
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fact that I had we're talking about
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injuries before I had no injuries over
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the space of about six years of running
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and I don't know how I got away with it
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because all of a sudden it literally all
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came tumbling down on me where I had
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like six stress fractures in the space
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of a year it was literally I'd recover
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from one get back do 20ks in a week and
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then I'd be down again so um what's your
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body telling you something isn't it
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literally yeah and um yeah it just got
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to a point where I had to kind of weigh
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things up and I was super Lucky in the
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fact that I was at a certain level where
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I had all the support around me it
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wasn't that I didn't have any support I
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had dietitian endocrinologists physio
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psychologists all around me but it was
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my the issue was was that I wasn't
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listening to them and like you were
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saying before like my coach I had an
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awesome coach who I just didn't listen
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to yes I did the program that she gave
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me but I added more on top of that yeah
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which is Bonkers yeah you must look back
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now and think oh I don't know how I did
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it I don't know how I did it and it's um
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something that I look back and I think
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you know do I regret it do I not and I
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think no Runnings actually taking me to
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some amazing places all around the world
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and I've achieved a lot but my one
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concern was is that I didn't achieve
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what I wanted to achieve with the
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injuries got in the way and my mental
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health and yeah I look back now and yes
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um no not regrets it's still like
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sometimes depending on what mood I'm in
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and how I'm feeling it does sometimes
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make me quite emotional so thinking
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about it and realizing
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you know gosh I did all that in the
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space of eight years and I didn't quite
00:18:09
get to where I wanted to be but still
00:18:11
I've learned so much from it yeah so so
00:18:13
what do you mean it's emotional and that
00:18:15
you're you're you're proud of what you
00:18:17
did achieve or emotional and that you
00:18:19
didn't quite do what you exactly wanted
00:18:21
to do um it was probably more what I
00:18:24
went through in terms of my illness so
00:18:25
yeah what I had what
00:18:27
was diagnosed with called redis so it's
00:18:30
not a lot of people have heard of it so
00:18:32
it's relative energy deficiency in sport
00:18:34
so it's a combination of amenorrhea um
00:18:37
low bone density and low energy
00:18:39
availability so I'd obviously a
00:18:41
combination of all of those and um
00:18:45
yeah it's thinking what I put my body
00:18:49
through during that time like breaks me
00:18:52
and the concert like the long-term
00:18:54
consequences that could have been a
00:18:56
result of all of that I was so lucky in
00:18:58
the fact that I stopped it when I
00:19:01
stopped
00:19:02
um so I could actually get a like a
00:19:05
decent recovery yeah no long-term sort
00:19:07
of damage no long-term damage like there
00:19:09
are a few underlying things that I just
00:19:11
have to be careful on but a majority of
00:19:13
the things I've been really lucky in
00:19:16
um but also like what I put my family
00:19:17
through as well like my parents like had
00:19:19
to deal with me during that time yeah I
00:19:23
wanted to ask you about that so yeah
00:19:24
it's as you mentioned your dad's a high
00:19:26
performance Sports guy please place to
00:19:28
the news that played for the New Zealand
00:19:29
cricket team not now but um so what what
00:19:33
did you get down to at your life um so I
00:19:35
got down to 4 41 kgs at the age of 16
00:19:39
and I had a 4 body fat
00:19:42
percentage which did you look unwell at
00:19:44
41 41's no yeah a lot of weight yeah
00:19:48
did your parents try and intervene they
00:19:50
must have been worried yep yeah no every
00:19:51
everyone tried to intervene but
00:19:54
just I wasn't listening I was so focused
00:19:57
on my running and yeah my performances
00:20:00
as I said but um it's amazing
00:20:04
when you
00:20:06
you know like running for me that was my
00:20:08
life like I knew nothing other than my
00:20:10
running I was never at school in my last
00:20:13
few years because I was either overseas
00:20:15
competing I was out training and missing
00:20:18
class or I was yeah my head was not in
00:20:23
the mindset to be doing English when I
00:20:25
had a race the next day
00:20:26
did you did you enjoy it at the time
00:20:28
like um
00:20:31
um were you just like I mean because it
00:20:33
just seems like you had like laser-like
00:20:35
Focus yeah was it was there an element
00:20:37
of enjoyment in it or not really yeah
00:20:39
yep there was an element of enjoyment
00:20:41
but I was in my own bubble the whole
00:20:42
time
00:20:43
to be honest I um wish I
00:20:47
didn't have to go through all that to
00:20:50
you know to to do what like to do the
00:20:54
results that I got but it's just that's
00:20:57
just what happened and yeah yeah and you
00:21:00
um you didn't you didn't reach puberty
00:21:02
until like um yeah yep so I didn't get
00:21:05
my period until I was 22 years of age
00:21:07
what's the average age for getting into
00:21:08
the new period like 12. 12 yeah and I
00:21:12
didn't even get any bleeding throughout
00:21:14
that whole time so some people get their
00:21:16
period and then it stops due to the
00:21:20
training that they're doing and racing
00:21:22
and things like that that's quite normal
00:21:23
to have like this yeah and then you it's
00:21:27
just like the period of your training as
00:21:28
well like you might be you know right
00:21:31
we've got a big block of competing like
00:21:33
you might lose your period during this
00:21:35
time but when we are off recovering you
00:21:38
might have two weeks off where you might
00:21:39
have a block where you're doing lower
00:21:42
um intensity stuff then that's when we
00:21:45
try and get the period back but yeah I
00:21:46
didn't have my period the whole way
00:21:48
through so you you weren't even
00:21:50
concerned about that at the time you
00:21:51
were just happy that you're running
00:21:52
running fast no everyone everyone else
00:21:55
was
00:21:58
how many years younger are you
00:22:02
I am two years younger two years so so
00:22:05
your younger sister she's like getting
00:22:07
her reaching puberty and getting a new
00:22:08
period before you at that point you're
00:22:10
not like [ __ ] something's not right here
00:22:12
no because I to be honest I didn't even
00:22:15
really know the importance of what a
00:22:17
period like why we needed a period yeah
00:22:20
well I suppose at that age also you're
00:22:22
not thinking about having a family in
00:22:24
your 20s exactly yeah exactly and it's
00:22:27
something that yeah obviously wasn't on
00:22:29
my it wasn't on my mind and wasn't a
00:22:31
priority for me of course not yeah my
00:22:33
priority was literally my running and
00:22:35
yeah I look back now and I've definitely
00:22:37
learned
00:22:38
um
00:22:39
well because I was working alongside an
00:22:41
endocrinologist and one said by the way
00:22:44
pardon my ignorance no no so I'm like as
00:22:46
a person who works on female Health
00:22:48
hormones
00:22:49
um so like I for example I went to her
00:22:52
um and like you get tests and bloods
00:22:55
done and they didn't detect any hormones
00:22:58
in my body so that's the reason for that
00:23:01
was because I had such a low body
00:23:02
percentage
00:23:04
um and
00:23:05
body fat percentage sorry and um yeah
00:23:08
she literally said you need to put on
00:23:10
weight or you're not going to be able to
00:23:12
have babies when you're older so how old
00:23:14
were you in this conversation I was 18
00:23:17
years old so I still hadn't had my
00:23:18
period but and was that like a
00:23:21
like a wake-up call for you or that idea
00:23:23
you're still thinking I'm I'm I'm I'm
00:23:25
running like a demon here and I don't
00:23:27
want to have kids anyway yeah well that
00:23:29
was probably there was a year where I
00:23:30
was seeing her and was kind of like oh
00:23:32
yep cool yeah whatever like I've got I'm
00:23:36
traveling to Portland next week like
00:23:37
I've got World Champs
00:23:39
I've got [ __ ] to do
00:23:42
um
00:23:43
so yeah that was well
00:23:45
as well but there was a there was one um
00:23:48
appointment that I went to go see her
00:23:49
and I'd just been overseas come back and
00:23:53
um I was I had a stress fracture in my
00:23:56
hip actually and I wasn't allowed to run
00:23:58
because of my stress fracture or
00:24:00
couldn't run at all and I was um
00:24:02
cross-training in the pool instead which
00:24:04
I absolutely hated so I'm guessing from
00:24:06
from what we've learned about you so far
00:24:08
you get injured and you can't train you
00:24:10
must just be I just devastated and
00:24:12
[ __ ] yourself about losing your
00:24:13
Fitness yeah or I just go smash myself
00:24:14
in the pool
00:24:16
what whatever I could do to keep up my
00:24:19
fitness I'd do and probably end up doing
00:24:21
even more training than what I would if
00:24:22
I was running
00:24:23
because I was scared of yeah losing my
00:24:26
fitness and getting behind pretty much
00:24:27
but yeah I went to my endocrinologist
00:24:30
um so this one appointment and I'd just
00:24:32
done a whole lot of blood tests and she
00:24:36
literally sat me down and what I loved
00:24:39
about my endocrinologist was that I
00:24:40
could sit down and have a really good
00:24:42
conversation with her like we were
00:24:44
she approached it in a very gentle way
00:24:46
because I used to have another
00:24:48
endocrinologist before her and she just
00:24:50
was like you can't do this you can't do
00:24:52
that like I was supposed to be going
00:24:53
over to World youth actually and she was
00:24:55
like you can't go like and I was like
00:24:58
you can't say that to a person who's so
00:25:00
obsessed with running you know like I
00:25:02
have to go and do this
00:25:04
um but yeah I sat down with her and she
00:25:06
was like you you have to make a change
00:25:07
Rosa like this is getting really serious
00:25:10
now and Mum I remember mum and my coach
00:25:12
were in the appointment with me as well
00:25:14
and yeah I got home and
00:25:17
mum sat down and had a chat to me and
00:25:19
then from there on I was like [ __ ] we've
00:25:21
gotta we've got to do something about
00:25:22
this because it's not looking good at
00:25:25
all I'm in terms of my bone density my
00:25:28
hormones like I said no hormones
00:25:30
detected in my body I had the bones of a
00:25:32
70 year old at the age of 18
00:25:34
um that were just breaking in front of
00:25:36
me with all my stress fractures
00:25:38
um and then obviously not having my
00:25:40
period as well so yeah it kind of hit
00:25:42
home really hard that day it's like
00:25:45
years of neglect finally caught up with
00:25:46
you literally and I sometimes say like
00:25:49
you know this I actually met up with my
00:25:51
coach for the first time since I'd
00:25:53
retired um a couple of years ago and I
00:25:57
was holding that off because I was so
00:25:59
nervous to go back and just talk and um
00:26:02
you know be back in that whole running
00:26:04
environment and yeah and I talked to her
00:26:07
and she was like gosh there's so many
00:26:09
females just
00:26:11
you know from 14 years of age just going
00:26:13
down that same pathway and it's so hard
00:26:16
because you can only say so much at the
00:26:18
end of the day it's up to you know the
00:26:20
individual to make those changes and do
00:26:22
something about it but yeah for me and I
00:26:25
always say it's quite often they have to
00:26:26
hit rock bottom and get injured and have
00:26:29
to have time off running to have time to
00:26:32
think about it well from from hearing
00:26:34
your story today it sounds like you were
00:26:35
rummaging around Rock Bottom for a long
00:26:37
time for a long time you're trying to go
00:26:39
deeper than that yeah yeah well yeah so
00:26:42
I'm so oblivious like the when I went to
00:26:45
[Music]
00:26:45
um
00:26:46
so I went to World Champs in Beijing in
00:26:49
2000 and
00:26:51
18 I think it was and
00:26:55
I was like the sickest I had
00:26:58
been I'm at that point and I was there
00:27:01
to compete in the 3000 meter
00:27:02
Steeplechase and sickest uh like you
00:27:06
were performing well though yeah
00:27:09
okay performing well um but things were
00:27:12
starting to slowly break down in terms
00:27:14
of I just like had a couple of stress
00:27:16
fractures before I went over and but I'd
00:27:19
obviously recovered from them and I
00:27:21
could just now that I look back really
00:27:23
notice like my body was just so low in
00:27:25
energy and it
00:27:28
I find it really hard to believe that
00:27:30
you know I got sent over there to
00:27:31
compete in the world Champs when I was
00:27:34
in that state
00:27:35
obviously I feel like someone like one
00:27:37
of the officials should have should have
00:27:38
noticed yeah I don't know like yes if
00:27:40
you're doing the qualifying times and
00:27:42
you see him oh that's the thing you just
00:27:44
obviously go and do it but if I was with
00:27:46
someone who was
00:27:48
in the state that I was I would
00:27:50
definitely probably say something but
00:27:52
again like there's a lot it sounds like
00:27:55
you wouldn't have even listened though
00:27:56
no exactly well a lot of female athletes
00:27:58
are
00:27:59
pretty thin and it's just the type of
00:28:03
person they are I suppose yeah so in the
00:28:06
end was it um was it a hard hard
00:28:08
decision to retire or was it just like a
00:28:10
necessary decision
00:28:11
um I was probably it was in the back of
00:28:13
my mind for about six months
00:28:16
um I actually had had a lot obviously
00:28:19
with my stress factors had the time off
00:28:20
to um recover from those and then I was
00:28:24
just about to get into it again and like
00:28:26
sat down with my coach and
00:28:28
um talk to her about you know the next
00:28:30
couple years and wanting to make um the
00:28:32
next Olympics and
00:28:35
then I remember I was trying to qualify
00:28:38
for
00:28:39
a race that was in Australia which then
00:28:42
was qualifies for qualifiers for the
00:28:44
Olympics and I um injured myself on a
00:28:48
steeple at in Christchurch actually
00:28:51
while we were training just before we
00:28:52
were about to go over to Australia and
00:28:55
um I just yeah broke down I was like I
00:28:57
don't think I can actually ever do this
00:28:59
again like my body's just not coping
00:29:01
um so I did try to get and back into it
00:29:03
and it was really hard to let go because
00:29:05
I felt like running was my identity and
00:29:08
that it was the only thing people knew
00:29:09
me by like Rosa the runner and like
00:29:11
what's your next running event and you
00:29:14
know it's just yeah yeah I was like how
00:29:16
can I let that go and obviously I'd been
00:29:18
with my support team from Athletics New
00:29:20
Zealand for the past like five six years
00:29:22
and I'd it's my day-to-day thing that I
00:29:26
do I go in and I see my Physio and I see
00:29:29
my coach and I train at the gym at high
00:29:31
performance and it's just something that
00:29:33
was my life and letting go of that it's
00:29:36
like I suppose leaving a job it's like
00:29:39
that's your that's all you've known for
00:29:41
so long and stepping out of that and
00:29:43
having the confidence to step out of
00:29:45
that and knowing that you're making the
00:29:46
right decision took a long time process
00:29:49
already had yeah especially when you
00:29:51
when you're good like you were I suppose
00:29:52
you've you know Matt gave you some sort
00:29:54
of importance in a way yeah and it was
00:29:56
also that doubt in yourself of am I
00:29:58
right making the right decision is this
00:30:00
the best thing to do am I just giving up
00:30:01
like is yeah if I just keep trying will
00:30:05
I be able to succeed what I want to
00:30:07
succeed
00:30:08
um so at the start it was probably a me
00:30:12
seeing it as if I failed type of
00:30:14
situation but yeah no no I don't feel
00:30:17
like that now do you think it'd be still
00:30:19
part of you that would feel like that
00:30:20
now had you not been so successful with
00:30:22
your next venture probably yeah well I
00:30:24
that's the thing I always say like gosh
00:30:26
I've been so lucky in the fact that I've
00:30:27
had two or sisters to go straight into
00:30:29
and like that's been my focus and I've
00:30:33
got so many goals within that that Margo
00:30:35
and I both want to succeed together
00:30:37
whereas if I yeah didn't have anything I
00:30:40
think differently that would have led to
00:30:43
some mental health issues in terms of
00:30:45
just feeling lost and not feeling like I
00:30:47
had a purpose and not knowing what I
00:30:49
want to do with my life how how long do
00:30:52
you think it took you to get over it
00:30:53
because I've had some other people on
00:30:54
the podcast I've had um Shane Cameron
00:30:56
the boxer on and he said it took him
00:30:57
seven years to get over the fight with
00:30:59
David tour yeah um I had Jimmy nishima
00:31:02
on the cricketer and he said um he still
00:31:04
thinks about the World Cup final that
00:31:05
they lost to England like most days how
00:31:08
long did it take you to get over the
00:31:09
running I'm probably still not over it
00:31:10
to be honest yeah yeah so yeah like I
00:31:13
was saying like sometimes like we did a
00:31:15
talk
00:31:16
um a couple weekends ago and I started
00:31:19
getting really emotional talking about
00:31:21
it and yeah it's something I refer to
00:31:25
and think back to
00:31:26
probably most days wow and I've got this
00:31:30
big box at home that has like all my
00:31:32
medals and all my I'd quite I often like
00:31:34
kept Diaries of when I was traveling
00:31:36
around and touring and
00:31:39
um photos from all our tours with all
00:31:41
the team and yeah I every now and then I
00:31:44
do look at it and I think oh my gosh
00:31:46
um that definitely feels like such a
00:31:48
lifetime ago but so close as well
00:31:51
um and yeah in ways you think like oh
00:31:53
gosh I wish I was still doing that and a
00:31:56
part of that culture and
00:31:58
yeah but obviously I'm not so yeah so
00:32:01
what's your relationship with running
00:32:02
like now do you still run yeah yeah I
00:32:05
still have been running it was actually
00:32:06
a funny story I signed signed up for the
00:32:10
Queenstown half
00:32:11
last year but it was canceled with
00:32:14
covert sure but leading up to it I put
00:32:18
so much pressure on myself all of a
00:32:20
sudden and like got into my old habits
00:32:22
even though yeah even though I was in
00:32:24
terms of what like you wanted to not
00:32:26
just finish it but do a good time yeah
00:32:27
do a good time and like getting really
00:32:30
caught up around training and how much
00:32:32
training I was doing and oh I suppose
00:32:35
for me all I know running is is being a
00:32:38
super competitive Sport and being yeah
00:32:40
representing New Zealand on the world
00:32:42
stage that's all I know it is pretty
00:32:44
much do you think do you think it's um
00:32:46
I don't know as part of that an ego
00:32:49
thing like you're like oh God it'll look
00:32:50
terrible if I run like two hours people
00:32:52
be like oh [ __ ] Rose is [ __ ] these days
00:32:54
yeah yeah
00:32:55
there's that identity thing as well
00:32:58
people have known me as the runner and
00:33:02
when they again their expectation and
00:33:05
pressure that you just put on yourself
00:33:06
of gosh like this person's just a casual
00:33:09
Runner and they've never been an elite
00:33:11
athlete before and they've just met me
00:33:13
you know like or like me comparing my
00:33:17
times of what I'm running now to what I
00:33:20
was running back then but I'm like I
00:33:22
can't compare that because it's so
00:33:24
different like that was my job in my
00:33:26
life and now it's just like and it
00:33:28
ruined you too yeah exactly exactly and
00:33:31
now I need to I'm learning
00:33:34
and I think I'm nearly there to see it
00:33:36
as just something I enjoy in an outlet
00:33:39
from work and from anything that's
00:33:42
stressing me out like I when I'm in that
00:33:44
state and that mindset I love it I enjoy
00:33:47
it so much and I can just keep running
00:33:48
whereas as soon as I which I found with
00:33:52
this Queenstown half marathon that I
00:33:54
signed up for was like all of a sudden
00:33:56
put all this pressure on myself and
00:33:57
expectation
00:33:59
um but I've actually signed up for the
00:34:01
Queenstown half this year so
00:34:03
hopefully it all goes well well it seems
00:34:06
like you're you're aware that you're
00:34:07
doing these things yeah so I suppose
00:34:09
it's just um having that mindfulness of
00:34:12
keeping yourself in check and and you
00:34:13
know pulling yourself back into line a
00:34:15
few years yeah and I'm so lucky in the
00:34:16
fact that I can I've learned to do that
00:34:18
and I know what to do when things like
00:34:20
that pop up but yeah it's just something
00:34:22
that's always going to be there and it's
00:34:25
like for example I would kind of refer
00:34:26
it to when I had my eating disorder it's
00:34:28
like something that never necessarily
00:34:30
goes away but you just know how to
00:34:32
manage it and you're aware of when those
00:34:34
signs in your head come up and when to
00:34:37
shut them down yeah yeah yeah sure
00:34:40
um yeah I mean I've never run as fast as
00:34:42
what you have but it's got to be hard
00:34:44
going from like doing a four minutes for
00:34:46
fifteen hundred to five minute
00:34:47
kilometers yeah
00:34:49
to watch and go home man yeah some days
00:34:51
I'm like
00:34:53
to think that I would just freely run
00:34:55
like a you know a four minute bloody
00:34:58
tempo run and here I am 5 30s yeah dying
00:35:02
yeah but yeah like I said you can't I
00:35:04
can't compare myself to back then
00:35:06
because it's just a completely different
00:35:07
thing 100 yeah
00:35:10
um okay so what do you what are you what
00:35:11
are you doing an average week what are
00:35:12
you running on average you run most days
00:35:14
every second day
00:35:19
no no I kind of I kind of go in the Ebbs
00:35:22
and flows of it really to be honest
00:35:25
um I definitely want now that I've got
00:35:27
the Queenstown half coming up I
00:35:29
definitely want to try and do a little
00:35:31
bit more but it's again a big part of
00:35:34
what I've learned throughout this whole
00:35:35
thing is learning to listen to my body
00:35:37
and not
00:35:38
feeling pressured to go out and run a
00:35:41
certain amount of case per week so I'm
00:35:42
not putting that expectation on myself
00:35:44
and that's definitely helped me in terms
00:35:47
of that whole Obsession and yeah that
00:35:49
expectation side of things and now I
00:35:52
just if I feel like going out for a run
00:35:53
I'll run and I've got I'm you know I've
00:35:57
got the beauty of being able to run as
00:35:58
far as I want to run if I only feel like
00:36:00
doing 6ks then that's all I need to do
00:36:02
like I don't have to go and run 10 or 12
00:36:06
K's because it's yeah obviously from
00:36:08
following a program for six years of my
00:36:11
life I've had a thing that I had to do
00:36:13
every single day in like a certain
00:36:14
amount of case in a certain amount of
00:36:17
um you know what time you need to do it
00:36:19
and whereas now I'm like no just enjoy
00:36:22
it go out and do what you want to do and
00:36:24
yeah because you're hearing your lungs
00:36:25
get the endorphins flowing
00:36:27
um yeah because I find them the mental
00:36:28
health benefits for me from running yeah
00:36:30
just Next Level well that's the thing
00:36:32
when you look at it from that side of
00:36:34
things like running is awesome for me in
00:36:36
that way like I love coming home and
00:36:38
especially when it's like Autumn winter
00:36:40
like the night's getting a bit darker
00:36:42
like just going out and getting some
00:36:43
fresh air after work shutting everything
00:36:46
off from work and then coming home after
00:36:49
you're running having a shower and you
00:36:51
just feel so good yeah how was your
00:36:53
mental health for the most part um yeah
00:36:55
it's pretty good I yes I've like
00:36:57
suffered a lot of anxiety around it
00:37:00
um all around running and um work just
00:37:03
do I have that now like if you and your
00:37:05
sister are doing and doing it doing a
00:37:07
big event or an important event or
00:37:08
something uh it doesn't sort of flare up
00:37:10
again or is it just mainly running base
00:37:13
um I don't normally get I don't really
00:37:14
get anxiety around like
00:37:17
the whole like talking in front of
00:37:19
people in events it's more around like
00:37:21
if I've got a like a massive workload
00:37:24
that I've got ahead of me and people
00:37:26
were firing all these phone calls and my
00:37:29
direction and wanting someone you know x
00:37:32
amount from me I get quite anxious
00:37:35
really quickly thinking that I've got
00:37:37
all my eggs in like 50 different baskets
00:37:39
and I can't keep control of all of them
00:37:41
and just yeah I think that's normal yeah
00:37:44
five more than three things on my to-do
00:37:46
list I freak out yeah I know I know and
00:37:48
it's again it's just learning how to
00:37:50
manage it yeah not also like with being
00:37:53
with two or sisters like people
00:37:56
expect certain things from you and you
00:37:58
know like you might get a couple of [ __ ]
00:38:00
messages on Instagram it's not letting
00:38:02
that get to you and you know stuff like
00:38:04
that that you just what sort of [ __ ]
00:38:05
messages could people have for you and
00:38:06
your sister what are we talking about
00:38:08
here
00:38:10
oh you know there's just those people
00:38:12
[Laughter]
00:38:15
I can but I'm afraid if I say it Pete
00:38:18
these people again will be offended oh
00:38:21
no no no no [ __ ] do [ __ ] I don't listen
00:38:24
to a podcast called Runner Zone okay
00:38:26
well you'll get the hate Bell not up
00:38:27
okay we were making food to go away and
00:38:32
we're like oh invercargill you know
00:38:33
there's not many good places to eat yeah
00:38:36
and these people were like oh my God I
00:38:38
can't believe you say that go [ __ ] each
00:38:40
other and all this
00:38:42
I'm like chill that you found
00:38:45
oh that's all right that's right they're
00:38:48
just looking out for the uh sticking up
00:38:50
for their people in invercargill are
00:38:52
very protective
00:38:56
I wasn't the first time I went to
00:38:58
invercargill I um went to German I had a
00:39:00
session then I went to um pack and save
00:39:02
a Woolworths whatever and I was looking
00:39:04
for like a protein bar I said to the
00:39:06
lady at the checkout after I look for a
00:39:08
while I said do you have protein bars
00:39:09
here and she goes you've got more Rose
00:39:10
over there
00:39:14
oh God no we love him yeah we do love it
00:39:18
but it's just yeah it's quite funny what
00:39:20
we get here they are very sensitive and
00:39:23
you've got to be aware of what you say
00:39:24
and you guys were wrong there are plenty
00:39:26
of good places to eat this Subways
00:39:28
Pizza Hut McDonald's
00:39:33
we just weren't seeing those yeah open
00:39:37
our eyes more it's funny that don't
00:39:38
worry like um yeah me and you can you
00:39:41
can scroll through and see like 100
00:39:42
really nice comments and then it's a bad
00:39:44
one yeah feels like it's highlighted I
00:39:46
know well that's something it's just
00:39:48
those little that little wee thing you
00:39:49
said like we didn't even notice
00:39:51
sometimes you don't even notice but
00:39:52
people just pick it up and then just can
00:39:54
slam you yeah anyway
00:39:56
we can probably get you into the
00:39:58
conversation now we'll start talking
00:39:59
start talking to Royal Sisters so so um
00:40:01
yeah Rosie you finish you finish the
00:40:03
running yeah whose idea you're done with
00:40:04
Rosa it's all about me now so who where
00:40:08
does the name come from and whose idea
00:40:09
was it initially is there was it like a
00:40:12
joint thing or was there one one of you
00:40:13
two that was more the instigator
00:40:15
um well long story short when we first
00:40:17
started we were doing like raw things so
00:40:20
cooking nothing over 46 degrees and then
00:40:23
um we kind of went if that no one eats
00:40:24
like that and you know everyone in New
00:40:27
Zealand's Got That Meat and three veg
00:40:28
culture yeah so that were we were
00:40:30
already building a name for ourselves so
00:40:32
we just kept with the two royal sisters
00:40:34
and now we just say raw whole
00:40:37
unprocessed ingredients it's funny
00:40:39
though some people don't think we're
00:40:40
sisters like we'll get through a
00:40:42
demonstration or a talk and we're like
00:40:44
to who who thinks we're sisters and
00:40:45
they're like [ __ ] are you guys sisters
00:40:50
exactly tell me about it are there any
00:40:53
other siblings in your family we've
00:40:55
actually got an older brother Matt who's
00:40:56
in Auckland who we're staying with yeah
00:40:57
oh cool what does he do he works for Ray
00:41:01
Glass boats right so if you need a boat
00:41:03
go see Matt yeah he does all their sales
00:41:06
and stuff so that would be good to see
00:41:08
him yeah geez hi achieving family eh he
00:41:10
calls himself the um one cooked brother
00:41:13
right oh that's good and what are your
00:41:15
parents doing now are they still doing
00:41:16
real estate yes yes they are down in
00:41:20
Christchurch more so like rolleston
00:41:23
Lincoln area rural stuff but yeah right
00:41:25
they're still here there they used to
00:41:27
work you guys when you were kids you
00:41:29
said like deliver pamphlets and stuff
00:41:30
for them yeah yeah those good old days
00:41:34
got jobs dropped off on the side of the
00:41:37
road in the middle of the backpack full
00:41:39
of pamphlets
00:41:41
I I was a newspaper delivery boy for a
00:41:44
while and I just the the it was the free
00:41:45
newspaper in Palmer's North I just
00:41:47
dumped it in the creek usually dump the
00:41:49
appearance dump your parents pamphlets
00:41:52
like why are we getting any sales
00:41:57
um geez they must be proud of what you
00:41:59
guys are doing you you've you've come
00:42:01
such a long way and you've done so much
00:42:03
in a fairly short period of time haven't
00:42:04
you with this business yeah really talk
00:42:06
about it no they're really good in the
00:42:08
fact that they don't like Mum Mum's
00:42:10
involved in the business a little bit
00:42:11
she helps me out with the accounts and
00:42:13
things
00:42:14
um but they're really good in the fact
00:42:15
that they're not they don't put pressure
00:42:17
on you or like keep you know talk about
00:42:20
it all the time they know when to step
00:42:22
back and to just let us do our thing
00:42:24
because they've got now they've got full
00:42:26
confidence in us at the start they were
00:42:28
not too sure on where we were heading
00:42:30
with our business and what our plans
00:42:32
were and we're a bit skeptical but now
00:42:34
they just they know what we need to do
00:42:36
and also having Dana manager like he
00:42:38
he's more
00:42:39
he kind of controls that side of things
00:42:41
and Mum and Dad just step back and yeah
00:42:43
right watch it all right and what were
00:42:45
you do you like growing up so the age
00:42:46
gap of two years me and my brother went
00:42:49
the same age Gap and uh we were very
00:42:51
competitive and sort of behave at each
00:42:52
other were you were you guys like that
00:42:53
growing up or were you quite tired
00:42:55
growing up
00:42:56
um we kind of were tight and then we had
00:42:58
a bit where Rosa was running and she
00:43:01
like was how she was talking very much
00:43:03
absorbed in the Running Scene and what
00:43:06
do you care about my family no this is
00:43:08
really no election pretty much seems
00:43:10
like you didn't care about anything
00:43:12
apart from your time yeah
00:43:15
she really didn't she's not joking when
00:43:17
she said so we weren't that close then
00:43:19
we were really competitive with each
00:43:21
other because I was trying to run two
00:43:22
and then yeah that must have been hard
00:43:24
for you I'm guessing because
00:43:26
um so you're growing up your dad's place
00:43:29
for the New Zealand cricket team so you
00:43:30
you're your dad's daughter then your
00:43:32
sister's a good runner and then so
00:43:34
you're the sister of the good runner
00:43:35
yeah and I would like Rosa never got
00:43:37
injured I always got injured and I was
00:43:39
always is that person who had something
00:43:41
wrong and well poor you yeah and yeah
00:43:45
that was when we were that close at all
00:43:46
and then we went over to the states for
00:43:48
a bit just us to just do a bit of study
00:43:51
and then we obviously started to royal
00:43:53
sisters and that's when we got quite
00:43:55
close but I think it was discovering our
00:43:58
different unique bodies like we're
00:44:00
actually quite different people and we
00:44:02
do very different things in the business
00:44:04
and I think it's like you just
00:44:06
compliment each other yeah recognizing
00:44:08
that and now we work really well
00:44:09
together because we don't like we know
00:44:11
our boundaries why did you go to the
00:44:13
season study
00:44:15
um so I was I was open study for free
00:44:17
and invercargill
00:44:19
y someone told me that the other day
00:44:21
just bring your own food
00:44:24
um no so I was going over to qualify for
00:44:27
World Journeys and Margot was like why
00:44:31
don't I come over with you and so we did
00:44:33
a culinary school over in Venice Beach
00:44:35
in la oh my God amazing yeah so we lived
00:44:38
over there for about five months like
00:44:41
right on Venice Beach it was you must
00:44:43
have stung a weed when you came yeah I
00:44:46
don't think we'd ever smelled weed in
00:44:48
our lives and we just walked onto the
00:44:49
boardwalk and we're like literally
00:44:51
everywhere yeah literally but it was
00:44:53
awesome so where's a weed doctor right
00:44:55
outside yeah actually
00:44:58
um but yeah so during the day we would
00:45:00
um do the culinary school and then
00:45:03
morning and afternoon I'd train and
00:45:06
Margot would obviously train with me
00:45:07
because she had that expectation of she
00:45:10
needed to do what I was doing and then
00:45:12
in the weekend we'd travel around
00:45:13
America to the races that I needed to do
00:45:17
wow that was pretty intense and yeah
00:45:19
that was a point where
00:45:21
we looked back and we're like how the
00:45:23
hell did we do that like yeah getting up
00:45:25
at that time in the morning like biking
00:45:28
to the track biking back being on our
00:45:30
feet all day in the culinary school then
00:45:32
doing more training in the afternoon and
00:45:34
then flying around in the weekend
00:45:36
actually competing yeah yeah I mean you
00:45:40
were you were always going to crash
00:45:41
weren't you yes it was just a matter of
00:45:43
time yeah yeah really
00:45:45
um
00:45:46
it's all a learning curve yeah and it
00:45:48
you know I don't think I'd be where I am
00:45:49
today probably without all those
00:45:51
learnings and
00:45:52
um experience behind me and Mark and I
00:45:54
yeah I suppose we always say like two or
00:45:57
sisters was pretty much developed
00:45:59
through our own personal Journeys and um
00:46:02
I love you know now for educating people
00:46:05
and creating that healthy happy
00:46:07
sustainable lifestyle yes Margaret
00:46:09
you've had your own [ __ ] going on as
00:46:10
well haven't you
00:46:12
um chronic fatigue and yeah well while
00:46:14
Rosa was running around the tracks I was
00:46:15
in bed for two years because she didn't
00:46:17
notice no yeah I didn't notice so I
00:46:20
don't go to sleep in the spare room
00:46:21
exactly so yeah again yeah I was very
00:46:25
different to Rosa and I think that only
00:46:27
adds the uniqueness of tural sisters and
00:46:29
what we try to promote because some
00:46:32
people you know will have that running
00:46:34
Obsession and then some people have a
00:46:36
lot of women have endo and chronic
00:46:39
fatigue is becoming
00:46:41
scarcely well it's becoming incredibly
00:46:43
common now yeah what does um what does
00:46:45
endometriosis mean exactly it's it's
00:46:48
like lesions in the usual in like around
00:46:52
the pelvic area within a female so it
00:46:55
causes a lot of pain and
00:46:57
um if it gets really severe then can you
00:47:00
know you have to have hysterectomy or
00:47:02
yeah lots of difficulty having babies
00:47:04
and as I learned to live with my Endo as
00:47:09
we were talking about earlier with the
00:47:10
different types of
00:47:11
um exercise that triggers particular
00:47:14
symptoms like running and high intensity
00:47:17
training they definitely trigger a lot
00:47:18
of my pain so I think well and this is
00:47:21
what roses figured out it's just
00:47:22
figuring out what works best for your
00:47:24
body and yeah you enjoy the run every
00:47:26
now and then but then sometimes you
00:47:28
don't yeah yeah I know that I can only
00:47:30
do a certain amount per week now before
00:47:33
I injure myself
00:47:35
yeah is that right yeah yeah I just your
00:47:39
body's just refusing to cooperate
00:47:40
literally no no more
00:47:43
um like if you love running then it's
00:47:45
just figuring out what how much you can
00:47:46
do until you trigger a symptom or
00:47:48
something yeah yeah so do you guys have
00:47:51
like a five-year plan or a three-year
00:47:53
plan or anything where do you want to
00:47:54
where do you want to take this thing
00:47:56
you know what Dino's like yeah yeah this
00:48:00
is um this is Dean Buchanan your manager
00:48:01
he um he used to be like a radio boss in
00:48:03
New Zealand he um he tried to get me and
00:48:06
JJ from The Edge a number of years ago
00:48:08
and um we um had like all these
00:48:10
clandestine talks with them in in the
00:48:12
hotel rooms like we were sneaking around
00:48:14
it was like having an affair
00:48:16
um and then we ended up staying but he
00:48:18
got us a substantial pay rise yeah no
00:48:20
he's awesome he never stops well just
00:48:22
like Margo and I probably
00:48:24
um but in The Five-Year Plan um yeah
00:48:26
we've got our book coming out fourth
00:48:29
book coming out in October and then um
00:48:31
there'll probably there'll be some more
00:48:33
books um coming on after that and then
00:48:35
we have an app out at the moment but
00:48:38
we're moving our app onto an IOS app
00:48:40
which is exciting at the end of the year
00:48:43
so that means it'll be in like the Apple
00:48:44
store it'll be in the Apple store so
00:48:46
yeah we've just found that there's some
00:48:48
limitations that are arising the app's
00:48:50
great at the moment but it'll just be
00:48:52
great having that IOS app
00:48:54
um there and that's that won't be till
00:48:56
next year and then um
00:48:59
expanding into Australia right that's
00:49:02
our kind of big Focus for the rest of
00:49:04
2022 our books are over there so we'll
00:49:07
go over there and do some touring and
00:49:09
get our name out there yeah just just
00:49:11
don't go all weird like Pete Evans
00:49:15
Tom but yeah a few other things
00:49:19
um that we can't disclose oh there's a
00:49:21
lot on the go lots of lots of fun things
00:49:23
but it's it's cool because we can
00:49:25
actually
00:49:27
started the business at such
00:49:29
exactly how we want it to be
00:49:31
um I I'm I live part-time down south
00:49:34
with my partner and it's your lover boy
00:49:36
my lover boy and it's nice being able to
00:49:40
you know know that in the long term I do
00:49:42
want to be down there so how can we make
00:49:45
the business a passive earning business
00:49:47
for Margo's partner travels with his
00:49:49
music so it's yeah creating it exactly
00:49:52
how we want it to be in to that in five
00:49:55
or ten years time we can do what we want
00:49:57
to know and it's not so Hands-On yeah so
00:49:59
let's let's talk Partners so you're on a
00:50:01
farm in Timaru sure you've done I've
00:50:03
done my research
00:50:05
they was playing in the back of my mind
00:50:07
from like you should have gone
00:50:08
invercargill really you live in a farm
00:50:11
in Timaru
00:50:12
so how did you guys meet
00:50:14
um I actually saw a really good friend
00:50:16
of ours
00:50:17
um so he went to UNI with her and
00:50:21
floated with her and then she actually
00:50:22
ran with me Millie Morgan yeah so we
00:50:25
were all wondering the day Rose would
00:50:26
get a boyfriend yeah how long how long
00:50:28
have you been together
00:50:30
yeah yeah
00:50:31
is he the one
00:50:33
you talked about heaven
00:50:39
no I talk about engagement yeah
00:50:43
um but no I'm I'm near yeah puff
00:50:46
normally half late but because we're
00:50:48
touring around touring around a lot at
00:50:50
the moment it doesn't really happen as
00:50:52
much as I'd like it to but yep no he's
00:50:54
he's good
00:50:57
um and if you talked about having kids
00:50:58
and stuff do you do you know if you can
00:51:00
have kids
00:51:01
um yeah well that's been a thing that
00:51:03
we've been well so
00:51:06
he won't listen to this anyway so it's
00:51:09
fine
00:51:12
yeah it's not you know not not too good
00:51:15
out there with the Wi-Fi
00:51:17
um I have to go on to answer that no um
00:51:20
well yeah that's one thing that I'm
00:51:22
really cautious off from my previous
00:51:24
experience with um only getting my
00:51:27
period until I was 22 years of age so
00:51:30
I've actually just been getting some
00:51:32
blood tests around
00:51:33
you know how good my fertility is
00:51:35
because about five years ago it was very
00:51:39
bad so hoping fingers crossed that it's
00:51:42
not in dire situations yes
00:51:46
um so yeah so just getting those looked
00:51:48
at at the moment so yeah but I think
00:51:50
with the recovery that I've had and all
00:51:53
the other things that have picked up
00:51:54
including my bone density and um having
00:51:57
my period regularly
00:51:59
um it's looking pretty promising so
00:52:00
that's good awesome and what about you
00:52:02
Margaret so it's a musician yes oh
00:52:12
[Applause]
00:52:13
yeah so will he's my partner he's just
00:52:18
gone out on his own as Goodwill so look
00:52:20
him up all right look him up on Spotify
00:52:22
yes do they have that hey Geronimo song
00:52:24
as well yeah how many band members have
00:52:27
you been through
00:52:29
I will differently won't listen to this
00:52:32
no I kind of went through the band
00:52:34
before I got to Wells oh no really it's
00:52:38
not like an orchestra
00:52:43
no just just went through two out of
00:52:46
three but not that many
00:52:49
um sorry I had to bring you that up so
00:52:52
um what was Will's position in the band
00:52:55
he was lead singer and guitarist right
00:52:57
so who did you start up with before you
00:52:59
worked your way up to the lead singer
00:53:02
just another guitarist
00:53:04
at least you got standards you didn't
00:53:06
give the drummer yeah exactly guitar
00:53:09
only
00:53:11
so yes no I'm with Will and that's good
00:53:14
times and I'm just in Christchurch yeah
00:53:16
and what sort of um what sort of music
00:53:17
is he here he's kind of doing Indie pop
00:53:21
right I would say
00:53:23
um yeah he's just
00:53:24
just got two songs out now and launching
00:53:26
his EP in August right because it's like
00:53:29
that you're doing well because um you're
00:53:30
gonna be supporting him yeah music's a
00:53:33
tough industry that's tough at least
00:53:35
he's like 16. not mean not many people
00:53:37
are making money yeah yeah and how long
00:53:38
have you guys been together
00:53:39
um we've been together coming on four
00:53:42
years oh [ __ ] yeah wow so she's a bit
00:53:44
ahead of me a little while all right
00:53:48
you're getting um you're dropping lots
00:53:50
of hints about getting engaged all the
00:53:52
time yeah you've seen them the ring most
00:53:54
months
00:54:05
yeah and do you take quite a big
00:54:07
interest in each other's like careers
00:54:09
yeah well he's obviously very creative
00:54:11
as well so I do a lot of the creativity
00:54:14
with intural sisters so
00:54:16
um we definitely bounce ideas off each
00:54:18
other which is good he's come up with
00:54:20
pretty much all the cover ideas for our
00:54:22
cookbook right so yeah no he's very
00:54:24
helpful he's pretty helpful and
00:54:26
especially touring in terms of Music and
00:54:28
Sound yeah mostly he's great and can you
00:54:32
sing
00:54:33
[ __ ] no we were in lockdown and he was
00:54:37
like I really need this girl to sing on
00:54:38
my song I was like holler at me and
00:54:41
anyway we ought to turn the [ __ ] out of
00:54:43
it and it still sounded horrible
00:54:45
so definitely not we were one of those
00:54:49
few kids who didn't quite make the choir
00:54:51
at school yeah yeah yeah yeah I wasn't
00:54:54
um my school choir at um primary school
00:54:56
and um Mrs McGrath put me right at the
00:54:59
back
00:55:00
I
00:55:02
look back now it's like you know you
00:55:04
don't realize it at the time but it's
00:55:06
like that was really [ __ ] rude yeah I
00:55:09
should have had hurt feelings at the
00:55:10
time but I don't know yeah she's
00:55:11
probably dead now so I can't I can't
00:55:14
tell you how I feel hey um it's been
00:55:16
wonderful seeing you guys today yeah you
00:55:17
too thanks for having us yeah um yeah
00:55:20
Rosa thank you for being so open with
00:55:21
your story oh no yeah what advice would
00:55:25
you have for like any um say young
00:55:27
female athletes that are listening for
00:55:29
listening to this today to listen to the
00:55:31
people outside of you if they're telling
00:55:34
you that you need to slow down
00:55:36
um put your health first before you're
00:55:39
running if you're in a really serious
00:55:40
situation like I was definitely step
00:55:43
back and take the time to really invest
00:55:45
in your own health and well-being first
00:55:46
before smashing your body yeah because
00:55:48
it's the it's the long-term consequences
00:55:51
especially when you're a young athlete
00:55:53
it's the long-term consequences that you
00:55:55
don't necessarily think about like
00:55:56
having kids and your bone density and
00:56:00
osteoporosis later on in life that it's
00:56:02
not a concern or a priority when you're
00:56:04
14 years of age so yeah definitely
00:56:06
listen to the professionals around you
00:56:08
and don't thrust your body at such a
00:56:10
young age make sure you go through all
00:56:12
those essential processes like getting
00:56:14
your period and developing and going
00:56:16
actually going through puberty before
00:56:18
getting yeah really intense in your
00:56:21
important I think from what I learned
00:56:23
from you there's so much more to life
00:56:24
than just that
00:56:26
like early stage you know yeah you
00:56:29
really didn't have to learn the hard way
00:56:31
didn't you yeah I did actually but it's
00:56:33
it's it's amazing when I do talk about
00:56:35
it now like I've done quite a few talks
00:56:36
around my experience and my running
00:56:38
journey and how many young people are
00:56:41
feeling the same way that they uh and
00:56:45
it's very often it's the individual
00:56:47
putting the pressure and expectation on
00:56:49
themselves not others around them oh 100
00:56:51
I think most of the time that's probably
00:56:52
the case yeah exactly and it's a matter
00:56:55
of yeah being able to step out of that
00:56:57
situation and but having yeah
00:56:59
hearing stories like mine or from anyone
00:57:03
else who's been going through those
00:57:05
things it's it's always comforting to
00:57:07
hear like you're not on your own it does
00:57:09
happen to other people but here's what
00:57:11
we would advise to do um if you were
00:57:13
stuck in a situation yeah
00:57:15
and Margaret what advice would you have
00:57:18
for any um young woman that are a fan of
00:57:21
a band but they can't decide what
00:57:22
movement to ask you
00:57:23
go through
00:57:27
it's the only way to do it isn't it four
00:57:30
years later happy ever after yeah oh
00:57:32
that's brilliant hey well thanks for
00:57:34
coming over today thank you Rosa and
00:57:36
Margo Flanagan two royal sisters um
00:57:38
what's your Instagram handle at Terrell
00:57:40
sisters yeah go give us a follow do that
00:57:43
lots of great content on there we're
00:57:45
touring at the moment so extra great
00:57:47
content if you're from invercargill give
00:57:49
them their DMS give them a piece of your
00:57:51
mind
00:57:53
all right see you guys thank you
00:57:56
thanks very much for listening to this
00:57:58
episode of Runners only with dom Harvey
00:58:00
that was uh Rosa and Margo Flanagan two
00:58:02
raw sisters if you don't follow them
00:58:03
already on Instagram give them a follow
00:58:05
uh they post some really really good
00:58:06
content with some really good recipes
00:58:07
and stuff
00:58:09
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