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Runners only with dom Harvey and New
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Zealand cricketing legend Jimmy I came
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out with this nickname for you know I
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didn't know if I was gonna bring it out
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or not but I like I was doing some
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research about you Jimmy nation and
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you're familiar with the movie Forrest
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Gump yep and and he's pivotal and all
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these important Key Parts in history
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yeah like you name it Forest comes there
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and I feel like that's the same as you
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you're there right at the end of The
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Cricket World Cup final you're there
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when
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um on the other end when McCallum gets
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300 runs there's all these is important
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moments in New Zealand cricket and
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you're right there in the thick of it
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every time yep yep I was I was in the
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stadium when Grant Elliott hit his six
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in the the semi-final in 2015 I wasn't
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playing but I was uh there watching so
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um yeah I wasn't there for the Under
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Armor incident in 1980 something yeah
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most of the other ones here I've been a
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mirror they're about sport which is
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pretty cool yeah yeah but they're
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absolutely key moments like like moments
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that are going to end up on the
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underside of um beer bottle Lids there's
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trivia questions and decades to come
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yeah yeah I suppose it's um it's a
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little bit Testament to I suppose the
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level of success we've had over the last
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10 or so years
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um this was rather coincidentally since
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I started becoming involved with the
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team
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um yeah we've sort of started
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challenging for those trophies and
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um sort of you know stopped being and
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also ran and a lot of global tournaments
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and I suppose when you have those
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significant moments as a team then
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um you're obviously more likely to be
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involved as an individual why uh why is
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that why is New Zealand Cricket in such
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a rich patch at the moment what is it
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just like a lot of a lot of amazing
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players is that what it is uh to an
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extent yeah I think we had two really
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strong cycles of World Cups going
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through in in 2008 and 2010 which
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um you know you have you guys like Trent
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bolt Saudi Williamson
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um uh you know Doug bracewell myself uh
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you know any number of the guys that are
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in that kind of 30 to 32 age right now
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all sort of came through at a similar
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time and I think and when you combine
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that with you know the leadership of
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guys like Brandon McCullum and Kane and
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you know people putting the ship in the
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right direction I think
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um you're going to have some better
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results now the podcast is called
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Runners only with dom Harvey so that's
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why I've invited you here to day because
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I know I'm running some quite a big part
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of your life obviously there's some
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you're running between the wickets and
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Cricket which you're involved with and
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you do very well uh but running's a big
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part of your life as well I follow you
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on Strava you you get out there you mix
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it up yeah yeah probably uh I wouldn't
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say it's uh a deep-seated love of
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running I think it's uh it's something
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that to be honest I've always been weak
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at and crooked you know I've always been
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quite a strong
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um you know bit of a gym bunny in that
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respect and always sort of had to force
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myself to do the running side of things
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and
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um it was really kind of in the first
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lockdown
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um which is a year and a half two years
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ago now that
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um because of not having access to a
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proper gym I sort of got into running a
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bit more and
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um I suppose it's just like anything if
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you force yourself to do it enough you
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sort of get a bit better at it and
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um yeah I've tried to continue that on
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now we're sort of back into a little bit
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more normality I had no idea it was such
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a loathing for you I I thought you
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enjoyed it
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um my heart is breaking oh I'm just not
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good at it what do you mean you go all
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right like you were sort of jogging
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Paces about four minutes four minutes 40
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kilometer yeah yeah it's um I'm just too
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big you know I'm six three 100 kgs it's
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sort of you know I'm never going to have
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the natural inclination to be a quick
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runner so I sort of I go into the hood
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box as it's known in cricket so you know
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those 440s don't come easy but yeah I
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sort of get out there and yeah try and
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you know get the get the 5Ks done sort
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of anything up to 10ks and anything
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longer the
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um the road gets a bit heavy so um yeah
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I mean it's good for Cricket obviously
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being out in the field for for such long
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periods of time it's great to
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um be able to have that cardio base I
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guess and right um yeah I think it
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certainly helped me
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um I'm you know fingers crossed a
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reasonably
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um
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I suppose uh resilient body you know I
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don't get injured very often and I think
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that's definitely you know from that
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kind of base of cardio and strength do
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you think when you're finished with
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qriket it's something you'll keep you'd
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keep doing just for like Fitness or
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mental well-being or anything or no
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you're absolutely done with running as
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soon as qriket's over I think I'll be uh
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I'll be like a once a week here I reckon
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once I'm done just for that
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um you know that bass okay I can see
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myself
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um being quite strong you know going to
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the gym kind of every day kind of thing
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post Cricket but
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um running as I mentioned being so heavy
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it can be quite
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um you know weird down in your joints a
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little bit so
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um I want to get swimming a little bit
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of a go as well once I've got a bit more
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time but um yeah certainly Jim is the
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the first love and then running is you
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know something that I've you know picked
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up recently and trying to keep up with
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yeah swimming just seems like the most
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the most tedious and boring sport to
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train for you know what I mean it's so
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solo you're staring at a black line
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maybe seeing the occasional band-aid and
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that's it it's just you staring at that
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line for 30 minutes to an hour yeah I've
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got a theory that there should be two
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separate like categories of sport and
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there's the sports where you're actually
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competing against someone like rugby
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soccer Cricket
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um boxing you know those sorts of
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athletic sports and then there's sports
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that you can do with no one else around
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and sort of compete against someone
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who's in England you know and that's
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kind of swimming running those sorts of
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things where it's just you against a
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stopwatch and I think those ones where
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it's just you against a stopwatch I
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really struggle with because it's tough
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to get that competitive Instinct yes
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yeah
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um you know I'm much more a boxer or you
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know a rugby player or something like
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that where you're up against someone and
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you're you know you're throwing Jabs and
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they're dodging rather than just I'll
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try to run this 100 meters as fast as I
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can and hope that it's faster than you
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know whoever's next to me so yeah
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swimming is definitely one of those
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Sports where It'll be such a mental test
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to be in that pool you know I follow
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Sophie Pasco on on Instagram and just
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seeing what she does in the pool every
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day is oh I couldn't handle it mentally
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I don't reckon oh yeah as far as I'm a
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sport goes um when I was doing breakfast
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radio we'd get calls like at 6am from
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parents that are taking their kids that
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aren't old enough to drive to the pool
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like the training that's required and
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you think how many of those kids are end
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up going to make it to the Commonwealth
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Games or Olympics not many so the
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training that's required is just
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phenomenal you've got these kids that
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are going in the morning for a session
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maybe again in the afternoon for a
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session for hours at a time they're like
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the dedication is next level ah yeah I I
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actually dodged a bullet in um secondary
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school I got sort of roped into the
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rowing team for a week or so because
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I've got the body for for a rower sure
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and um you know I did a couple of those
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early mornings and then I think my
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parents decided that Cricket training
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after school plus rowing in the morning
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it's probably a slightly ridiculous
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schedule to be having and
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um no I dropped off it pretty quickly
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but geez yeah you're right it's I mean
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it's especially wrong when you're going
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backwards the whole time and you don't
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really know you're not even seeing where
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you're going
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I'm not sure how those guys do that and
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were you were you always sort of quite
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gifted in the sporting Department like
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growing up
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um we just naturally good at whatever
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you tried your hand at I think
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you know I sort of
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I do and I don't believe in naturally
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gifted Sportsman I think
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um you know naturally gifted Sportsman I
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believe are just people who always love
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physical activity the whole time they're
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growing up as kids and you know I sort
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of think back to you know my cousins and
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stuff at Christmas and we're always you
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know playing cops and robbers and
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running around and backyard cricket and
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all that kind of thing and and sports
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just always been you know a part of my
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life my old man was a rugby player and
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Mum was a netballer and you know they
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always encouraged me to to play as many
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sports as possible and
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um I suppose yeah when you get to the
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age of 14 or 15 people look at you and
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go wow he's gifted but there's sort of
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10 or 12 years already yeah right
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running around in the backyard you know
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and behind you and
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um yeah I certainly yeah I was yeah
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physically gifted through my teens and
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and coordinated and that kind of thing
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but I do think that sort of came from a
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heavy diet of physical stuff when I was
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growing up is it saying that um hard
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work beats Talent when talent doesn't
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work hard was there sort of like a
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natural gift though like a age group
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levels where it's like oh this this
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kid's Got Talent and we need to harness
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it see something like me and my
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crickling days um I was very [ __ ] yeah
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very [ __ ] I um it's a sport where a lot
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of people are [ __ ] yeah but I I'm um how
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old are you 31 31 I'm I'm 49 so when I
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was like 10 or 11 intermediate age
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that's when Lance Keynes Chris Ken's dad
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was like the King of New Zealand Cricket
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so I had an Excel Excalibur cricket bat
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I bowled the same way as as he did yeah
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off the wrong leg yeah kind of with
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using both hands yeah yeah it's a very
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unorthodox bowling Style and what to be
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fair wasn't very effective so it became
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um I don't know for me I I loved qriket
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more than anything but I tapped out at
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about 14 because I just couldn't deal
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with letting teammates down but I'm
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guessing that wasn't the same for you uh
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you were probably the guy on the the guy
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on my team that was sighing all the time
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at me for getting out for zero
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um yeah it's it's a tough one because I
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think I look back at those those days
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and
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um we we had a really really talented
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team like a club team back when we were
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sort of 13 14.
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um no guys that have kind of gone on to
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you know play professional Cricket or
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anything but but guys that were just we
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were really good team and guys it was a
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proper cricket team and
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um I don't see myself back then as being
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one of the the better players in that
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group you know I was decent and you know
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good enough but sort of not not kind of
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a generational Talent like guys like
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Kane Williamson and Tim salvey and stuff
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were coming through the age groups where
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you could sort of just see right this
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guy's gonna be amazing yeah
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um so I sort of came through I you know
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I don't think I
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I don't think I made the Eastern
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districts team and under 15s or under
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14s one of those age groups I didn't
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make the team so
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um you know I certainly was not the guy
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leading the pack sort of the whole way
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through but it was sort of that kind of
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17 18 19 you know age range where I
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started to put it all together and
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probably got a little bit fitter I was a
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bit of a chunky boy coming through now
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my teens and
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um and just persistence I think like a
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lot of those guys
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um you know just decided to do other
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things and you know go somewhere into
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other sports like rugby and other guys
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just sort of became more academic and I
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suppose I just persisted with the
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cricket a little bit and and it's one of
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those Journeys where it's sort of small
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gains year on year and then you turn
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back 10 years later and go you know geez
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how far have I come so
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um but you know going back to the
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original question you know I was I was
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always painful in PE class because that
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was always my favorite class of the day
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um but no I wouldn't say I was you know
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it was saying Bolt from from 16. and so
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you may
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in 2014 scored a century on debut that
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seems to happen quite a lot doesn't it
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hyper focused or you're nervous and
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you're channeling the nerves into
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something really good I mean you mean
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right it would obviously you'd have to
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do a statistical analysis when you're on
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a number of hundreds versus debutant
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hundreds but you know it does seem I
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mean even just in New Zealand at the
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moment we've got you know Kane Tom
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Blundell Devin Conway myself
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um Hamish Rutherford as well so there's
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you know there's a lot of guys that do
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seem to come in and do it but
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um well I think there's certainly an
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aspect of of
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um the unknown from other teams guys
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sort of bowl to you and they don't
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really know what you're about and
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potentially underestimate guys a little
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bit when they're making the debut and
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um you know Cricket's a funny game you
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get a bit of momentum and and things can
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sort of happen really quickly so
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um you know obviously not playing test
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Cricket anymore at the moment but
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um yeah those certainly those first two
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tests are pretty formally kind of look
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going on yeah well you played your last
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test in 2017. why is that uh is it too
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hard on the body or no you just prefer
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the shorter format uh well I was dropped
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so yeah
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um
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sorry my bad yeah it's um yeah I mean it
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was just uh one of those things really
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that
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um you know I was
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having a little bit of a lull and
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performance I actually only played 12
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tests which people you know sort of
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don't realize so you know I've sort of
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had a Roller King start in my first five
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or six test and I had a bit of a kind of
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lull in performance and actually broke
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my finger
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um a couple of days before a test in
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Christchurch
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um and ended up getting um Colin
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degromhome got picked ahead of me
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um for that test and then he got I think
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7-4 or something on debut and and
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obviously is performed unbelievably well
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since then and
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um I've sort of just never been able to
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get a look back in really I think it's
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quite a difficult situation to be in
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being a white ball International
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cricketer
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um because we play so much whiteboard
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Cricket we don't actually get the chance
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to play much four-day domestic Cricket
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so there's not that much of a chance to
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kind of force your way back into the
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team and I think we've seen that with
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guys like Martin gupdor as well over the
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last 10 years or so you know you don't
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have that opportunity to play a lot of
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photo Cricket in a row and kind of get
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the rhythm of it but
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um certainly something I haven't given
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up on yet you know I do play a lot of
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um you know T20 cricket and stuff around
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the world just basically because that's
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what's available to me at the moment but
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Susan that's where the money is as well
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so it's not a bad situation to be in
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yeah yeah certainly I'm not complaining
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yeah it's sort of it's one of those you
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know bizarre things where
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um you know I'm obviously not getting
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picked on the test team at the moment so
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I'm going and playing
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um you know t20s around the world and
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and often you know your match fee for a
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T20 and these other leagues is the same
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as a match for you for a test match you
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know for New Zealand which is played
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over five days instead of three hours so
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um you sort of watch the guys on TV you
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know slogging it away for for 500 overs
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and then go out and play a T20 and yeah
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and you guys sort of get the same
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paycheck so it's a bit of a strange way
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about a way about it that the world goes
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at the moment but
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um yeah despite that you know certainly
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I'm Keen to get involved again test
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Cricket if I can you know I'm still only
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31 so
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um got four or five years left in me and
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and certainly something I want to take
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off before I retire yeah um can you
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explain um to me and anyone else that's
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that's listening like why why is it such
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a big difference like surely from my
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perspective and I'm guessing the same as
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a lot of people that listen if you can
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Cricket is Cricket you know what I mean
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so if you can play well over 20 the
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oversle 50 overs why can't you play well
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over five days
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um
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what do you mean difference in the
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people who are good at each yeah like
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why are you being picked for all these
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other formats of the game not the not
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the tests um like I think test Cricket
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is
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um you know from a bowling skill set
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it's much more about moving the ball
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around you know having a nice scene
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position being able to swing it
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um being able to set guys up versus T20
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cricket which is a lot more about being
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adaptable being able to escape batsman
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Bowl Yorkers slow balls like variations
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that kind of thing so from a bowling
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perspective the skill sets can be very
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different
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um from a batting perspective you know
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for me I've never been the most
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technically sound batsman
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um I'm powerful I can hit big sixes but
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I sort of struggle with you know the
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consistency of a Ford defense and being
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like right in behind the ball and that
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kind of thing so when you look at
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someone like Kane Williamson who's
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um very still at the crease very small
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you know small movements gets into good
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positions then you put that next to me
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who's you know big stands with his legs
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far apart you know big high back left
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you know it's quite
00:15:36
um different you know technically and
00:15:37
how you find success and
00:15:39
um yeah it's one of the challenges of
00:15:41
the modern game is guys who have to
00:15:43
adapt you know you might play a series
00:15:45
against the country that's you know two
00:15:47
tests five one days and a couple of t20s
00:15:49
and you've only got two or three days to
00:15:51
actually try and you know adapt your
00:15:53
Technique in between series it can be
00:15:54
incredibly challenging and
00:15:56
um that's probably something like better
00:15:57
with a little bit you know I was also
00:15:58
very young you know I didn't really know
00:15:59
my game that well
00:16:01
um as you said 2017 I think was the last
00:16:03
2017. you know I was 26 you know so
00:16:06
you're still finding your way a little
00:16:08
bit um as a cricketer at 26 so
00:16:10
um certainly would be a chance I'd
00:16:12
relish um to get another um go up test
00:16:14
Cricket again and as a more complete
00:16:16
cricketer and as a cricketer who sort of
00:16:18
knows my game a bit more
00:16:19
yeah wouldn't you find I don't know it
00:16:21
just seems more boring like I see I see
00:16:23
you I see you on TV and you go out and
00:16:25
you smash 27 off 11 balls like in the
00:16:27
T20 semi-final then you test Cricket
00:16:30
you've got to just sit there and block
00:16:32
for hours like wouldn't you get bored
00:16:34
and just take a swing at it well the
00:16:35
thing about test Cricket is that it's
00:16:37
the most satisfying you know you sort of
00:16:39
explain well it's just it's just so hard
00:16:42
you know physically mentally it's the
00:16:44
ultimate Challenge in the sport it's
00:16:45
kind of like running an ultra marathon
00:16:47
it's it's almost just the the mental
00:16:49
aspect of getting through and
00:16:51
um yeah I mean T20 Cricket's great you
00:16:53
know you walk out you're right you walk
00:16:54
out at 27 off 11 in a semi-final and
00:16:57
um you walk off and you're in the change
00:16:59
room and and that feeling in the
00:17:00
changing room is great you know you've
00:17:02
managed to succeed for your country but
00:17:04
compare that feeling to the feeling in a
00:17:06
change room after you've you know bowled
00:17:08
24 overs on day five of a test to get a
00:17:10
victory after you know four days of Toil
00:17:13
and everyone's sore and tired and you
00:17:15
know trying to get through and and you
00:17:17
sort of look at your mates next to you
00:17:18
after after that kind of tour oil and
00:17:20
coming out on top I think you know that
00:17:22
kind of satisfaction is is sort of on a
00:17:24
different level now let's go back to
00:17:26
that um the World Cup semi-final where
00:17:28
you got 27 off 11 balls is that the one
00:17:30
where there was a clip of you that went
00:17:32
viral afterwards and everyone so so you
00:17:34
you guys won that game New Zealand won
00:17:36
that game you're playing was it England
00:17:37
uh yeah in the semi and then you met
00:17:39
Australia in the final and uh just got
00:17:41
beaten by them but in the the um there's
00:17:43
a clip that went viral and it's all you
00:17:45
New Zealand teammates like jumping
00:17:46
around fist pumping when you won the
00:17:48
game and you're just like sitting there
00:17:49
and you actually looked kind of pissed
00:17:51
off
00:17:51
um I I was a little bit yeah it was sort
00:17:54
of you know
00:17:56
having been so close to you know 2019
00:18:00
World Cup final you know I get the super
00:18:02
over you know lose
00:18:05
um you know I've been involved in a lot
00:18:06
of super overs and and been close to
00:18:08
many different you know titles and you
00:18:11
know for me it's
00:18:12
I'm not happy until you win you know
00:18:14
it's been taught
00:18:16
rather harshly to me that you know you
00:18:19
can't get ahead of yourself and you know
00:18:20
get too happy before the job's actually
00:18:22
100 finished and
00:18:24
um you know that was you know I don't
00:18:26
begrudge the the other guys on the team
00:18:28
for celebrating a victory obviously it
00:18:29
was a a ridiculous win and we probably
00:18:31
thought we'd lost it
00:18:33
um but you know I'd already turned my
00:18:36
focus to the final and you know in a few
00:18:37
days time and
00:18:39
um is that right so yeah so your mind
00:18:41
was already on the next game at that
00:18:42
point yeah yeah like immediately yeah
00:18:44
immediately even even sort of before we
00:18:47
won you know you know when we needed you
00:18:49
know four runs off you know eight balls
00:18:51
or something you know it actually it
00:18:53
actually game actually got to the point
00:18:54
where we were so far ahead of the game
00:18:56
that we pretty much couldn't lose it
00:18:58
from being so far behind that we
00:18:59
couldn't win in the space of kind of
00:19:00
three overs and a lot of that was to do
00:19:02
with you I mean you won't say this but I
00:19:04
can't a lot of it's probably to do with
00:19:05
the 27 that you got off 11 balls like
00:19:07
they made the Run rate considerably
00:19:08
easier for New Zealand from there on uh
00:19:10
yeah well I mean in that period as well
00:19:12
Daryl had a couple of sixes as well
00:19:13
while I was out there so we probably put
00:19:16
on 50 and
00:19:17
you know 15 or 18 balls or something
00:19:19
yeah yeah
00:19:21
um and and yeah it just swung and you
00:19:24
know by that point
00:19:26
um I've never been one to over celebrate
00:19:29
you know if I get wickets you're never
00:19:31
going to see me doing some of these
00:19:33
stupid celebrations where guys you know
00:19:35
do backflips and dance and oh I've come
00:19:37
on if you could do a backflip you'd do a
00:19:39
backflip I know I would this goes back
00:19:42
to being too big again
00:19:43
you know it's just not cool when you're
00:19:45
six to three hundred kicks you can't do
00:19:47
backflips or dance or anything you just
00:19:48
look like an idiot so
00:19:50
um yeah that's probably it's probably
00:19:52
born out of the jealousy of watching
00:19:53
younger or smaller more live men kind of
00:19:56
be able to do that kind of thing but you
00:19:58
know I've never been a a big screamer
00:20:00
and shouter and a fist pumper and that
00:20:02
kind of thing and
00:20:04
um I suppose it just comes back to you
00:20:05
know trying to control your emotions and
00:20:07
in a sport that can play with them a lot
00:20:09
yeah
00:20:10
um you know obviously you know three
00:20:11
days later we did lose the final so it
00:20:12
was probably pretty appropriate not to
00:20:14
have celebrated too much doesn't see me
00:20:16
after that you uh you you trade a job
00:20:18
finished I don't think so which sort of
00:20:20
um explained you know explain the way
00:20:22
you were feeling the rest of the team do
00:20:23
they they give you [ __ ] about that or
00:20:24
does anyone say anything about it I no
00:20:27
not
00:20:29
no I think one of the you know the good
00:20:30
things about our environment is that we
00:20:32
we do accept different you know points
00:20:35
of view and different personalities
00:20:36
really well we've got a couple of guys
00:20:37
in a team that would self-profess to be
00:20:40
weirdos and and it's about accepting
00:20:42
those kind of looks and
00:20:44
um you know In the Heat of battle you
00:20:45
you know things happen you say say
00:20:48
things you regret or say things that
00:20:49
sound silly and or do things or whatever
00:20:52
and you know it's part of sport where
00:20:54
guys Express themselves differently and
00:20:55
now it was never something that really
00:20:57
got brought up I'm not in front of you
00:21:00
anyway a lot of guys were talking [ __ ]
00:21:02
and the um so the the 2019 finals so um
00:21:05
that was I remember this this is so
00:21:07
funny I remember being in Istanbul at
00:21:08
the time with with my mate Andy and we
00:21:11
were we were watching it on on my iPhone
00:21:12
and then my battery died and we were
00:21:14
watching it on his and then as his
00:21:15
Partners we even contemplated that
00:21:17
morning like flying back to back to
00:21:18
England for the for the game it was like
00:21:20
that exciting what was it like being
00:21:22
there and do you have any idea like what
00:21:24
would what would happen what the process
00:21:25
would be if it was a draw at the end of
00:21:27
the game did you were you aware of all
00:21:28
that stuff yeah yeah well the funny
00:21:31
thing that no one knows but I always
00:21:33
bring up is that I'd actually won a
00:21:36
Super over on Boundary count back before
00:21:37
and uh yeah by the way see a lot of
00:21:40
people who won't remember what we're
00:21:41
talking about do you just want to
00:21:42
explain the uh yeah what happened so we
00:21:45
we basically one day World Cup final
00:21:48
um ends up being a tie which means both
00:21:50
teams score the same number runs uh I'll
00:21:52
go to a super over which is kind of like
00:21:54
the tiebreaker like a penalty shootout
00:21:56
um and that was tied and then it ended
00:21:59
up being we lost England one on count
00:22:01
back which is basically who had the most
00:22:04
boundaries during the game
00:22:06
um which is a completely fast cool way
00:22:07
to do it and stupid makes no relevance
00:22:09
to who's played better whatsoever
00:22:12
um but was the rules
00:22:15
um so yeah I'd won a T20 uh atario volts
00:22:19
versus highveld lions in 2013.
00:22:22
um exactly the same super over I was
00:22:24
bowling
00:22:25
um in fact exactly the same run out last
00:22:27
ball you know to to win the game
00:22:30
um so I knew we knew like we hadn't
00:22:32
talked about it beforehand but once it
00:22:34
was a super over and once they'd got 16
00:22:36
or whatever it was 15.
00:22:39
um we talked about it in the shares
00:22:40
going out that we needed to beat their
00:22:42
score we couldn't it wasn't good enough
00:22:43
to tie it
00:22:45
um so there was no we knew that we
00:22:46
needed to beat it
00:22:48
um and we and we couldn't
00:22:50
um got close but not quite
00:22:52
um and yeah I mean it's
00:22:55
yeah it's something you I don't think he
00:22:58
ever really accept a little bit you know
00:22:59
I still sometimes just sit there and
00:23:01
think about the super over and you know
00:23:04
what different decisions I could have
00:23:05
made during the Super over is that right
00:23:07
it still plays through your mind yeah
00:23:08
definitely definitely I'd say so what
00:23:10
was that three years coming up three
00:23:11
years like two and a half three years
00:23:12
yeah July 2019 so I actually I had um
00:23:15
Shane Cameron on the podcast the boxer
00:23:17
and he told me do you remember his fight
00:23:19
with David tour the fight of the century
00:23:20
he told me it took him about 10 years to
00:23:23
get over there yeah 10 years yeah well I
00:23:25
mean do you think you you'll be over
00:23:27
this 2019 game within 10 years uh I
00:23:30
think I've got a chance yeah I think
00:23:32
yeah I think I'm at two now what two and
00:23:36
a half
00:23:37
uh and I can talk about it yeah so yeah
00:23:41
I think yeah surely seven seven more
00:23:44
years can be over it yeah
00:23:46
um but yeah it's one of those things I
00:23:48
think
00:23:50
when you're in control
00:23:52
you know when you
00:23:54
you know something happens or a you know
00:23:57
someone plays a great Innings against
00:23:58
you or whatever you can kind of accept
00:24:00
it a little bit more like I can accept
00:24:01
the the T20 World Cup final loss in
00:24:04
2021. I can accept that I've got no
00:24:06
problem with it whatsoever because Mitch
00:24:07
Marsh came out better well that's part
00:24:09
of sport guys play well sure but when
00:24:11
you you have just such freakish bad luck
00:24:15
seemingly repeatedly
00:24:18
to almost conspire for you not to win
00:24:21
the game then that's probably a little
00:24:22
bit harder to take I think especially
00:24:24
when you're involved
00:24:26
um specifically yourself are involved in
00:24:29
the final throws of it yeah you and
00:24:31
Gabby right at the end right Madam yeah
00:24:32
yeah and it's sort of
00:24:34
and Cricket too where it's just such a
00:24:36
freak sport where you can make good
00:24:39
decisions and have bad outcomes you can
00:24:40
make terrible decisions and have good
00:24:42
outcomes there's no you know Rhyme or
00:24:44
Reason to at least in small sample sizes
00:24:47
why people are successful and some
00:24:49
people aren't
00:24:51
um so yeah you certainly play through
00:24:52
especially the last couple of balls
00:24:55
um and sort of think about different
00:24:56
options but I think
00:24:58
yeah it's one of those things that takes
00:25:00
a while to unpack yeah yeah I mean it
00:25:03
was such an extraordinary game though
00:25:04
you know you you were involved with that
00:25:06
so I suppose um you know as I mentioned
00:25:08
before like you're involved in this game
00:25:10
that it's gonna you go down in history
00:25:12
books might even in future tournaments
00:25:14
could rewrite the rules potentially oh I
00:25:16
mean the rules I think are Rewritten oh
00:25:18
is that right yeah since then yeah I
00:25:19
think they've changed it now where you
00:25:21
just go super overs over and over again
00:25:23
until someone well it makes way more
00:25:25
sense we're actually wins yeah that was
00:25:26
my argument at the time it was like no
00:25:28
one's going home
00:25:29
how's the World Cup final a super over
00:25:31
that is tied it's whatever time it was
00:25:33
in London 7 30 or something in the
00:25:35
evening there are lights at the ground
00:25:36
you know no one's going oh I said I'd be
00:25:39
home for dinner at eight you know and
00:25:41
leaving the ground yeah it's kind of
00:25:43
like people have got another 10 minutes
00:25:44
for the guys to come out again do
00:25:46
another Super over it so yeah I thought
00:25:48
it was a bit faster at the time that it
00:25:50
wasn't that but I mean you can't
00:25:51
complain because I mean they didn't make
00:25:53
the rule up on the spot during the game
00:25:55
it was there in the in the rule book
00:25:56
beforehand and you can take that on the
00:25:58
chin and sort of move on what was it
00:26:00
like in the dressing room after that did
00:26:01
you cry
00:26:02
yep yeah did you yep yeah yeah it was
00:26:06
pretty it was like a morgue yeah it was
00:26:07
Everyone crying I mean even emotions in
00:26:10
different ways I guess I think I think
00:26:13
the overwhelming emotion was disbelief I
00:26:16
I no there wasn't much anger it was just
00:26:19
kind of
00:26:20
you know
00:26:21
I mean I was disappointed because I felt
00:26:23
like I'd let the rest of the team down I
00:26:24
think
00:26:26
um guppy was obviously you know pretty
00:26:28
devastated having had
00:26:30
you know I suppose a challenging World
00:26:32
Cup you know in total and then to have
00:26:35
that to kind of put the icing on the
00:26:36
cake was pretty pretty cruel
00:26:39
um uh yeah and disbelief overall you
00:26:43
know just silence for
00:26:45
what felt like 20 minutes until you know
00:26:48
guys came back in Kane obviously came
00:26:50
back in from the media and all that kind
00:26:51
of thing and
00:26:53
um you know it was
00:26:56
kind of surreal I think guys were it
00:26:57
just couldn't quite fathom what had
00:26:59
happened
00:27:01
um
00:27:01
because I mean we'd won the game really
00:27:03
I think
00:27:04
England needed 16 from
00:27:07
3 or 16 from four or something you know
00:27:09
it's sort of
00:27:10
it was pretty much over and then you
00:27:13
know to have it kind of taken out of
00:27:14
your grass like that when a lot of the
00:27:15
guys had no control over anything a lot
00:27:17
of the guys wouldn't have touched the
00:27:18
ball for the last half an hour yeah you
00:27:20
know so you sort of you're almost a
00:27:22
spectator at that point and
00:27:24
um yeah to go through that it's a sort
00:27:27
of two-month tournament from start to
00:27:29
finish and then have it finished like
00:27:30
that and yeah I definitely just believe
00:27:32
all right you must have felt the love
00:27:33
and support from New Zealand though like
00:27:34
it was it was it was massive yeah yeah
00:27:37
well I didn't actually come home for a
00:27:38
while so it was sort of it was funny I
00:27:42
went to stayed in London for a couple of
00:27:43
days and basically got pissed the whole
00:27:46
time
00:27:47
um and then I went to take a train up to
00:27:50
Liverpool I went to see one of my
00:27:51
friends
00:27:53
um old friend from otago and stay with
00:27:54
them for a couple of days and and I went
00:27:56
to London Houston Station and there was
00:27:59
a gigantic banner I got my ticket
00:28:02
and I went to go to the um it's kind of
00:28:04
the platform that has all the platforms
00:28:06
and where you need to go and that kind
00:28:07
of thing and I was looking up at it and
00:28:09
this gigantic it would have been
00:28:11
30 meters by 15 meter electronic
00:28:14
billboard popped up of England lifting
00:28:16
the trophy and all the fireworks going
00:28:17
off and everything and I was looking
00:28:18
after it and I was just slow
00:28:21
[Laughter]
00:28:27
got on the train and you know got up
00:28:30
there it would have been good now if I
00:28:31
could have had a mask on I know I would
00:28:32
have that I would have seen but everyone
00:28:34
said looking at me I had my black cat's
00:28:36
bag and everything and it was just like
00:28:37
[ __ ] hell and everyone's coming out
00:28:40
oh you guys are so unlucky and you know
00:28:42
you sort of go you just want to go and
00:28:43
climb into a hole and yeah yeah and hope
00:28:46
that everyone forgets but
00:28:47
um luckily I had I actually went to the
00:28:49
uh Toronto for the global T20 a T20
00:28:53
franchise tournament that was there and
00:28:55
um Toronto was the perfect place to be
00:28:57
because no one gave a [ __ ] about the
00:28:58
World Cup you know oh you know anyone
00:28:59
would even know really how quick it is
00:29:01
exactly and all the other cricketers
00:29:02
that were there knew not to say anything
00:29:06
yeah out of respect not a word was
00:29:09
spoken about it the whole tournament
00:29:10
because everyone was there I think on
00:29:11
the first night a couple of guys were
00:29:12
like what how like what are you how are
00:29:14
you coping and then I was kind of like
00:29:16
right this is the last time we talked
00:29:18
about this for the next two weeks and
00:29:19
then from then on it was just basically
00:29:21
go to the ground play a bit of hidden
00:29:23
gig or have a slog then go into Toronto
00:29:25
and have a few beers and and sort of
00:29:27
spend a fortnight basically trying to
00:29:29
um forget about it
00:29:31
um and then you know I came home after
00:29:32
that and by that point it would it sort
00:29:34
of
00:29:35
uh died down a little bit yeah oh the
00:29:38
whole the whole nation felt for you guys
00:29:39
so you and Martin Capital being there at
00:29:41
the end going through something like
00:29:42
that together that's got to create you
00:29:44
know some sort of bond that sort of you
00:29:46
know connects you guys in a deeper sort
00:29:48
of way for Life surely yeah well we were
00:29:50
close already yeah you know we played
00:29:51
for the same career Club in Auckland you
00:29:53
know way back in in 2007 eight you know
00:29:56
when I was coming out of school and
00:29:59
um you know we've been to obviously any
00:30:01
number of social events together over
00:30:03
that period of time knowing a lot of the
00:30:04
same people and
00:30:06
um yeah I actually said before we went
00:30:07
after the Super over you know how cool
00:30:09
was it that we've come you know full
00:30:10
circle from you know I remember you know
00:30:13
when he got picked for New Zealand you
00:30:15
know way back in in 2007 or 2008 and and
00:30:19
he he got 100 on debut as well actually
00:30:20
in an ODI against West Indies and
00:30:23
um you know being so in awe of him then
00:30:26
you know because I was
00:30:28
you know two or three years younger than
00:30:29
him and just come out of school and he
00:30:31
was 21 22 and playing for New Zealand
00:30:33
and
00:30:34
um you know looking up to my life and
00:30:36
then sort of coming full circle he
00:30:37
obviously stayed in Auckland I had to go
00:30:39
away to
00:30:40
um make my career and and just sort of
00:30:42
come full circle around and be out there
00:30:44
together it was pretty cool moments and
00:30:47
um Yeah you sort of
00:30:49
you find or try to find ways to to
00:30:51
comfort someone like that when something
00:30:52
like that happens but I think
00:30:55
um there's not a lot you can say in
00:30:56
those situations just got to give guys
00:30:57
space for
00:30:59
20 or so years and
00:31:01
10 years according to Shane Cameron yeah
00:31:03
I suppose that's the difference with um
00:31:05
like the Shane Cameron thing continues
00:31:07
to get over the tour fight and and you
00:31:08
guys like boxing is um you know there's
00:31:11
nowhere to hide like he got a hiding in
00:31:13
that fight
00:31:14
um and it's a solo sport as well I
00:31:16
suppose at least you you guys have got
00:31:17
each other what's the situation like
00:31:19
that I think it's uh it can be a really
00:31:22
good thing it can also be a really bad
00:31:24
thing because depending on how strong
00:31:26
your culture is
00:31:28
um it's very easy to for people to blame
00:31:30
other people when things like that go
00:31:31
wrong and boxing you know you unless
00:31:34
you're going to blame your trainer or
00:31:35
something like that you know at the end
00:31:36
of the day it's you out there and if you
00:31:38
get punched in the face it's because
00:31:39
your hand was too low or whatever 100
00:31:40
and Cricket you know it'll be totally
00:31:43
justified for
00:31:45
people in the black caps team to blame
00:31:47
you know me or gappy or or whoever you
00:31:51
know didn't win the game even not who
00:31:54
lost the game who didn't you know do so
00:31:56
oh you could never do then do you mean
00:31:58
like um like sports commentators or
00:32:00
Media or not your teammates surely well
00:32:03
I think you know I've been in cricket
00:32:04
teams in the past where you know the
00:32:06
batteries and Bowlers have had a rift
00:32:07
you know you you're losing games and
00:32:10
guys are going you know we we can't Bowl
00:32:13
to subpar totals every game and expect
00:32:15
to win right and all this kind of thing
00:32:17
and you know because guys get dropped
00:32:19
and you know sometimes not based off
00:32:21
their own fault because of team
00:32:23
performance isn't
00:32:24
um I've certainly been in cultures in
00:32:25
the past where people play the blame
00:32:27
game and you know point fingers other
00:32:30
people for their failings and that kind
00:32:31
of thing but I think that was probably
00:32:33
um incredibly fortunate that we had such
00:32:35
a strong culture and the team through
00:32:37
that World Cup where you know it was
00:32:38
never really even mentioned by anyone
00:32:41
you know that
00:32:43
um you know people could have done
00:32:44
things differently or you know whatever
00:32:46
it was just kind of like we're in this
00:32:47
together one and all in and you know the
00:32:50
result was obviously pretty [ __ ] but you
00:32:51
know it was a result that we all you
00:32:53
know took on the churn actually I never
00:32:55
really thought of it that way but I
00:32:56
suppose um like Cricket's one of those
00:32:57
things even though it is a team sport
00:32:58
there is a whole lot of individuals
00:33:00
within that team sport in terms of like
00:33:02
stats and records and whatnot yeah so I
00:33:05
suppose the even though it is a team
00:33:06
sport I suppose you still have people
00:33:07
playing an individual game to a certain
00:33:09
degree and the reality is there's
00:33:12
it would be
00:33:14
especially in domestic Cricket or
00:33:17
um you know leading up to IPL options
00:33:19
and all these sorts of things that
00:33:21
people have individual goals you know
00:33:23
you want to get picked for New Zealand
00:33:24
you want to play as many tests as you
00:33:26
can you want to go for half a million
00:33:28
dollars in the IPL or you know whatever
00:33:29
so there's actually
00:33:31
very logical Justified reasons to be
00:33:33
very selfish in a qriket team you know
00:33:35
because people look at guys records and
00:33:37
what they average and that kind of thing
00:33:39
but I think the thing is around you know
00:33:41
domestic Cricket especially
00:33:43
other cricketers can tell you know you
00:33:46
you play other teams and you know who in
00:33:48
that team is a bit selfish and you know
00:33:50
will play for themselves and you know
00:33:52
we'll get to the end of a one day and
00:33:53
instead of trying to hit a six they'll
00:33:55
just go oh and they'll hit one on the
00:33:56
ground and get not out and you know help
00:33:58
their average and guys who won't run at
00:34:01
the end of a T20 because they don't want
00:34:02
to get run out and you know these all
00:34:04
these little moments and Cricket where
00:34:05
you can tell you know if guys are
00:34:07
actually in in it for the team run it
00:34:08
for themselves and
00:34:10
um are those are those people sort of
00:34:11
frowned upon
00:34:13
yeah absolutely sometimes they they get
00:34:15
a talking to right by who like Captain
00:34:18
coach oh senior players in the team
00:34:19
right you know whatever we've got a a
00:34:22
culture New Zealand Cricket where
00:34:24
it's not really like steady would never
00:34:26
tell anyone off for who's did he uh Gary
00:34:28
stead the coach he wouldn't you know
00:34:30
pull someone aside and it would be much
00:34:33
more a player lead thing right you know
00:34:35
um I mean I've had it happen to me you
00:34:37
know it's sort of have you yeah where I
00:34:40
remember we were playing at one dayer
00:34:41
and
00:34:42
um I can't remember where it was but I
00:34:45
was bowling and someone did a [ __ ] piece
00:34:48
of fielding and I kind of blew up with
00:34:50
them and you know I was frustrated and
00:34:52
but you're a competitive guy oh cause
00:34:54
you're an infinitive guy you're in an
00:34:55
environment where you know you it's a
00:34:57
high pressure environment and
00:34:58
it wasn't even that bad you know it was
00:35:00
kind of like oh for [ __ ] sake or
00:35:01
something you know
00:35:03
um you are the guy you're the reason why
00:35:05
I stopped playing Cricket yeah exactly
00:35:07
but you know just out of frustration you
00:35:09
know of course and um and Tim Sally
00:35:12
actually pulled me aside after the game
00:35:13
he's been running a little bit longer
00:35:15
than you yeah so he's a senior member of
00:35:17
the team and he just sort of reminded me
00:35:19
like that's you know not how we go about
00:35:21
things on this team and you know
00:35:22
everyone's trying their hardest and you
00:35:24
know blah blah blah
00:35:25
sort of like and and I was 100 correct
00:35:28
yeah and you sort of taped on the chin
00:35:29
and probably didn't like it at the time
00:35:31
and probably went back to my room and
00:35:32
went off [ __ ] picking on me whatever
00:35:34
but you sort of have some time yourself
00:35:36
to think about it and you sort of go
00:35:37
well it's probably Justified you know
00:35:38
and and I think it's important that you
00:35:40
have a culture where guys can call each
00:35:42
other out and yeah and you know you can
00:35:44
take it on the chin and realize that
00:35:46
it's about making the team better and
00:35:47
and moving forward as a group rather
00:35:49
than sort of being picked on or being
00:35:51
singled out or yeah or whatever like
00:35:52
that God you guys really are the nice
00:35:54
guys of uh world cricket aren't you
00:35:56
about the New Zealand team you've been
00:35:57
called that before I know on the world
00:35:59
stage but you really are it seems like
00:36:02
it's such a respectful and polite
00:36:03
environment yeah I
00:36:07
you know
00:36:08
you can't I think a lot of other
00:36:10
International teams have the depth of
00:36:12
player
00:36:13
to sort of just flick guys out you know
00:36:16
if they're if they're not gelling in the
00:36:18
team and you know if they're a good
00:36:19
enough player they'll just keep playing
00:36:20
because you know you know they have
00:36:22
enough people that if people disagree
00:36:24
they can just drop one of them and all
00:36:25
that kind of thing because they're such
00:36:26
a big player base where I think in New
00:36:28
Zealand there's
00:36:29
I think it's 15 times six there's only
00:36:31
90 other cricketers outside the black
00:36:34
caps to choose from you know whereas
00:36:35
India have
00:36:36
500 of the Australia have however many
00:36:39
in great crickets so you actually need
00:36:41
to Value the individuals and actually
00:36:43
get everyone working together as a group
00:36:44
because there's actually not you know
00:36:46
three more Trend bolts in domestic
00:36:48
Cricket there's not two more Kane
00:36:49
Williamson's you know it's sort of like
00:36:51
the guys you got who are the the top
00:36:53
Echelon of talent are kind of the only
00:36:54
ones you've got yeah right
00:36:56
um which are starting to change a little
00:36:57
bit recently we're getting a little bit
00:36:58
more depth with kind of a teams and that
00:37:00
kind of thing but
00:37:02
um it's certainly been a challenge in
00:37:03
the past with New Zealand Cricket is
00:37:04
just a lack of numbers now we are we're
00:37:06
recording this on the day of the IPL
00:37:09
auction so um you you woke up this
00:37:11
morning to news that um you were picked
00:37:14
up at the auction for how much
00:37:16
uh one point uh 150 lakh which is about
00:37:20
300 000 New Zealand right is that
00:37:22
exciting is that exciting to wake up to
00:37:24
or is it like oh cool and then just on
00:37:25
with your day I think it depends on on
00:37:27
what part of your career I remember
00:37:28
getting picked up when I was 23 or 24
00:37:32
the first time and it was like the best
00:37:34
day of my life
00:37:36
um and now I'm a little bit older and
00:37:37
you know a little bit wiser and
00:37:40
um you know I've been through that
00:37:41
ringer a few times it's much more the
00:37:43
latter you know you sort of okay cool
00:37:44
now I know what I'm doing in in April
00:37:46
and May and you know the money is is
00:37:49
sort of it's nice obviously
00:37:51
um but it's sort of secondary to
00:37:53
um trying to be involved in a unit that
00:37:55
does well and and sort of the experience
00:37:57
of India and playing Cricket at the
00:37:59
highest level and that kind of thing and
00:38:01
um yeah it's something I'm 31 now so I
00:38:04
probably don't have that many cycles
00:38:05
left in me so it's always nice to to get
00:38:07
one more under the belt yeah so were you
00:38:09
do you think you were selected because
00:38:11
of that um that uh World Cup semi that
00:38:13
we talked about before you got 27 off
00:38:15
11. that can't have done you any harm
00:38:16
right because they love the big hitters
00:38:17
yeah well I mean
00:38:20
you'd hope that you know Scouts of those
00:38:22
sorts of teams are a little bit more
00:38:24
um intelligent than picking teams off
00:38:26
one Innings but
00:38:28
um yeah look I mean I had I played at
00:38:30
Mumbai last year in the IPL and and had
00:38:32
a pretty good tournament you know with
00:38:34
the ball I didn't score runs but I got
00:38:35
quite a few wickets and
00:38:38
um yeah I think by now at 31 I've sort
00:38:40
of shown my we as an international
00:38:41
cricket over a number of years and
00:38:44
um you know they're not they're not
00:38:45
stupid those IPL teams there's a lot of
00:38:46
money involved a lot of analytics and
00:38:48
that kind of thing so I'm sure there
00:38:49
would have been a lot of match-up talk
00:38:50
going into it and um
00:38:53
yeah just really excited to play with
00:38:54
some of the world's best players Josh
00:38:55
Butler's in the team
00:38:57
um Trent bolt who I played with last
00:38:58
year has come over to Rajasthan as well
00:39:00
and
00:39:01
um you know Sandra Sampson's an
00:39:02
unbelievable Indian you know youngster
00:39:04
who's sort of making his way and it's
00:39:06
sort of a a real privilege to to be able
00:39:08
to work in an environment like that
00:39:09
where you know last year I got to you
00:39:12
know train in front of mahalajara
00:39:14
wardner and Zahir Khan and you know
00:39:16
Legends of the game and and this year
00:39:19
ago Kumar sangakara is the coach you
00:39:21
know there's some of the guys who've
00:39:22
been literally the best players in the
00:39:24
history of the game and you can sit
00:39:25
there for two months and then pick their
00:39:27
brains and figure out how to get better
00:39:28
and do your depict their brains yeah
00:39:31
definitely do you know would you not see
00:39:33
yourself as a peer to those people no
00:39:35
God no no really why not who am I saying
00:39:38
akara scored about 40 test hundreds and
00:39:40
you know average 50 something you know
00:39:43
he's he is one of the the greats of the
00:39:45
in the history of the game and
00:39:47
um no I wouldn't see myself as appear to
00:39:49
him at all either a knowledge or an
00:39:50
ability I think
00:39:52
um you know I'm I'm good I'm good in
00:39:55
this era of the game you know I hold my
00:39:56
own but when you compare to you know
00:39:58
guys like saying a car and
00:40:00
and Shane Bond and these guys that have
00:40:03
been you know true greats you know you
00:40:07
can only sit there and listen and
00:40:08
section 10 Docker was in our Management
00:40:10
Group last year wow to sit there and you
00:40:13
know have a share a bottle of red with
00:40:15
Saturn and talk about playing spin and
00:40:17
you know that kind of thing you just sit
00:40:19
there and you just sort of just hang off
00:40:21
every word you just try and get them
00:40:22
talking as long as possible you know you
00:40:23
sort of looking at your watch going [ __ ]
00:40:25
it's two o'clock in the morning how am I
00:40:26
gonna and he's going oh you want to be
00:40:27
light on your feet and go forward and
00:40:29
back and that kind of thing and you sort
00:40:30
of just go oh like what about if it's
00:40:32
doing this and you sort of sit back and
00:40:34
they just talk for another 15 minutes
00:40:35
and you sort of see them the whole time
00:40:36
the shame is you don't remember any of
00:40:38
it the next day because of the wine yeah
00:40:40
but you try and pick up things on the
00:40:42
Nets and work on things and
00:40:45
um I suppose the biggest value is just
00:40:46
finding out these guys are all human you
00:40:48
know they all have their own you know
00:40:49
self-doubts and times and their careers
00:40:51
when they were struggling and actually
00:40:53
talking through it with them and
00:40:55
um realizing that you know you're not
00:40:57
alone you're not you know unusual person
00:40:59
if you're going through these self-doubt
00:41:01
moments and you know struggling in your
00:41:02
career and stuff which is always you
00:41:04
know pretty cool to to experience that
00:41:06
oh yeah yeah um speaking of that What's
00:41:08
um what's your mental health like you
00:41:10
used to like quite a quite a stoic and
00:41:12
resilient guy but I'm guessing Cricket's
00:41:14
one of those things it does have the
00:41:15
potential as far as Sports go to sort of
00:41:17
[ __ ] with your head a little bit oh yeah
00:41:18
it beats you up big time I think
00:41:22
um you know I've had struggles in the
00:41:23
past you know I actually had a period of
00:41:24
time out of the game and in 2018 and and
00:41:27
sort of went back into you know the real
00:41:29
world and got a real job and uh what'd
00:41:32
you do uh I was the communications
00:41:34
assistant for uh agritech company so
00:41:36
that's random yeah oh my um my partner's
00:41:40
brother
00:41:41
um was high up in the in the management
00:41:43
for the company and they needed some
00:41:44
just another pair of hands to
00:41:47
um do some [ __ ] and
00:41:48
um I just was there for four or five
00:41:50
months and and I actually really enjoyed
00:41:51
it you know that's what it actually did
00:41:53
for me was it actually removed the fear
00:41:55
of cricket not working out you know you
00:41:58
know I'd always been a cricketer from
00:42:00
you know I left school and went straight
00:42:02
into the alternators changing room as a
00:42:04
you know a first year rookie and I'd
00:42:07
never really experienced a real job
00:42:09
and I'd always sort of had the fear of
00:42:11
you know what if Craig doesn't work out
00:42:12
and I get dropped and you know I have to
00:42:14
make my way into the real world and then
00:42:16
doing that for five months I actually
00:42:18
realized that should I'll be fine you
00:42:20
know yeah you'll always find something
00:42:21
of course and it's sort of and then when
00:42:23
I got back into crooked they removed
00:42:25
that fear of failure and you know I kind
00:42:26
of really need to make this work and
00:42:28
probably took a bit of a weight off my
00:42:30
shoulders and allowed me just to you
00:42:32
know focus on on what's important which
00:42:34
is watching the ball and trying to score
00:42:36
runs yeah so so what do you what do you
00:42:38
do to make sure your mental health is
00:42:39
where it should be like yeah there's
00:42:42
some triggers or do you know if um
00:42:43
things are going off balance
00:42:45
um
00:42:46
yeah I mean for me it's about autonomy
00:42:49
it's about having control over my
00:42:50
day-to-day life
00:42:52
um being able to make decisions like I
00:42:54
think something that I've been really
00:42:55
challenged by with having to be in
00:42:57
bubbles a lot
00:42:58
um is that lack of control over your
00:43:00
life and
00:43:01
um you know I'm I've always been a guy
00:43:03
it's funny I I absolutely despise doing
00:43:08
going to the gym in the team gym window
00:43:10
like I hate being in there with other
00:43:11
people all the time and like for me like
00:43:14
exercise is is a chance to escape and be
00:43:16
by yourself and
00:43:18
um so a lot of people have sort of said
00:43:20
oh you don't gym much and it's like well
00:43:22
I know I gym a lot I just don't gym much
00:43:24
when you're Jimmy yeah that's good if
00:43:27
the gym one knows 10 to 12 I'll go at
00:43:29
three o'clock in the afternoon yeah
00:43:30
right
00:43:31
so I need to have that control over my
00:43:33
own movements and
00:43:35
um so I'm fine when I'm back in Auckland
00:43:37
generally when I've you know when I'm at
00:43:39
home and got my car and can train when I
00:43:41
want and run when I want and that kind
00:43:42
of thing I'm good uh it's just
00:43:44
challenging on tour with bubbles and
00:43:46
stuff to to try and find that autonomy
00:43:48
and
00:43:49
um yeah I mean it's it's challenging I'm
00:43:52
probably one of them one of the guys
00:43:53
that struggles the most in that kind of
00:43:55
environment yeah um but I think it's you
00:43:57
know about being aware of
00:44:00
um how long you've been away for what
00:44:01
what kind of teams you want to sign up
00:44:02
for what kind of period of time you're
00:44:04
going to be away from home and and sort
00:44:05
of identifying areas where you might be
00:44:07
battling oh you're a dog guy I'm a dog
00:44:09
guy as well God you must miss your dog
00:44:11
when you when you go away yeah who who
00:44:13
looks after your dog yeah I got my
00:44:15
fiance Alex is at home and she's does
00:44:17
Kanye's sleep underneath me
00:44:20
um yeah so she does the heavy lifting
00:44:21
from there I mean he's pretty good he's
00:44:23
very low maintenance take him out for a
00:44:24
walk in the morning and he's pretty
00:44:25
chill the rest of the day so
00:44:27
um he's pretty good with that but yeah
00:44:29
it's it's not a lifestyle that lends
00:44:31
itself to
00:44:32
to pet ownership okay so how long are
00:44:34
you away for what do you reckon on an
00:44:35
average year how many months
00:44:38
um our last year was was bad last year I
00:44:41
left
00:44:42
uh at the very end of March and I got
00:44:44
out of miq on the first of December
00:44:48
so it was that's pretty much the entire
00:44:51
year yeah so and you've also got to
00:44:53
think you know when I'm home you know
00:44:55
that January to March period would have
00:44:57
been playing you know in different parts
00:44:58
of the country so even when you're home
00:45:00
you're not you know home home for the
00:45:02
for the majority so
00:45:04
um you're playing games down in Dunedin
00:45:05
and Christchurch and Wellington and
00:45:06
stuff
00:45:08
um
00:45:08
and it can be extremely challenging but
00:45:10
I think the the thing we focus on is
00:45:11
that it's short term you know yeah it's
00:45:13
in terms of in terms of your your life
00:45:15
in terms of my career yeah it'll be
00:45:18
it'll be another four years probably
00:45:21
at the most
00:45:22
um and then after that you know
00:45:24
hopefully you've you know built up a
00:45:26
enough of a nest egg behind you to to
00:45:28
sort of not ever have to do any of that
00:45:30
kind of thing again and
00:45:32
um yeah that's kind of one of my main
00:45:34
goals at the moment is
00:45:36
um to to get that Financial I suppose
00:45:39
um clout behind me to to be the dad that
00:45:41
drops his kids off and picks them up and
00:45:43
doesn't have to yeah has that
00:45:44
flexibility thing yeah yeah are you on
00:45:46
track the IPL money must help yeah it
00:45:49
does that extra 300 every every year or
00:45:52
so yeah it does
00:45:53
um help boost things but yeah I think
00:45:55
I'm not a you know a flashy guy I don't
00:45:57
own a Rolex you know or have a you know
00:46:00
Beamer or anything like that I'm pretty
00:46:01
happy with my Mazda and my Garmin so you
00:46:03
know it doesn't take a lot um so yeah on
00:46:06
track for the the skinny version at the
00:46:08
moment and then we'll see how the next
00:46:09
few years ago yeah but I think I think
00:46:11
that's the key to happiness so just
00:46:12
wanting less rather than wanting more I
00:46:14
really do absolutely and I think
00:46:17
um you know obviously it's an incredibly
00:46:18
challenging environment at the moment
00:46:19
financially for a lot of people in New
00:46:21
Zealand with you know house prices and
00:46:23
that kind of thing and
00:46:25
um you know I obviously have a lot of
00:46:27
friends who aren't cricketers who are
00:46:29
kind of
00:46:30
um Engineers or teachers and that kind
00:46:32
of thing and it's sort of for me you
00:46:34
know Ram's home you know how privileged
00:46:36
we are to to be able to earn what we can
00:46:39
um while we can see a lot of people you
00:46:42
know the IPL auction there's
00:46:44
um you know some stinking players went
00:46:46
for kind of a million plus so who's
00:46:48
thinking isn't no good yeah really so
00:46:51
useless you sort of sit there and
00:46:53
probably how does that happen uh we were
00:46:55
talking before and you said you know the
00:46:57
the the the the teams aren't dumb so
00:46:59
that they wouldn't just pick you on that
00:47:00
one performance how does a stinking
00:47:02
player go for a mill uh well it just
00:47:05
comes down to what the teams need you
00:47:06
know a lot of the time
00:47:09
um
00:47:10
you know the the more desirable players
00:47:13
and this is not a rule but a lot of the
00:47:15
time the mortars are all players people
00:47:16
plan for so they sort of go okay you
00:47:19
know
00:47:21
Trent bolts coming up this number on the
00:47:23
option do we need a SEMA yes what are we
00:47:25
willing to build for him uh we're
00:47:27
willing to go up to 1.2 million and then
00:47:30
so everyone has these plans and everyone
00:47:32
obviously plans for getting them
00:47:34
but naturally there's 10 teams and
00:47:36
there's probably seven or eight good
00:47:38
fast Bowlers so all these teams plan for
00:47:41
getting these guys
00:47:43
and if you can get down and you're one
00:47:44
of the last couple left of that group
00:47:47
that everyone's targeted
00:47:49
all the teams look at each other and go
00:47:52
well there's only two good Bowlers left
00:47:53
now and there's four of us gotcha so all
00:47:56
of a sudden that's when people make dumb
00:47:57
decisions because they panic and go okay
00:47:59
[ __ ] if we don't get one of these two
00:48:00
guys we don't have a bowler and that's
00:48:02
when guys go through the roof right so
00:48:05
that's what happened to
00:48:06
um Carl Jamison last season and I'm not
00:48:08
saying he's a stinking player but but he
00:48:10
was he had a really good year yeah so he
00:48:12
had a lot of guys that were a lot of
00:48:14
teams that were looking at him going oh
00:48:15
he could be really good for us yes and
00:48:16
he was in a small auction that didn't
00:48:18
have many fastballers so then four or
00:48:21
five teams looked at him and went oh we
00:48:23
really need him and that's how you go
00:48:25
for kind of 2.7 million because there's
00:48:28
limited numbers I mean he went for 2.7
00:48:30
million in Jay Richardson went for one
00:48:32
point something Riley married I think
00:48:33
from 1.7 these are all you know
00:48:36
good Bowlers good like don't get me
00:48:38
wrong very good fast Bowlers but all the
00:48:40
teams already had their like top Echelon
00:48:43
fastballs locked up guys like Jafar
00:48:45
Archer and Trent Bolton lucky Ferguson
00:48:48
um Stark Cummins all these guys are
00:48:50
already locked away
00:48:52
so then you get the guys that are coming
00:48:53
up again and they those are the ones
00:48:55
yeah
00:48:57
um so a couple of there were a couple of
00:48:58
all rounders who kind of have had a good
00:49:00
couple of months and got the eyes of the
00:49:03
world on them and you know a couple of
00:49:04
teams panic and you know pay overs and I
00:49:07
think five years ago I would have looked
00:49:08
at those guys and gone this is [ __ ]
00:49:10
though you know I'm better than that I'm
00:49:12
better than him I'm better than him I'm
00:49:14
better than him but you know after you
00:49:16
kind of go through it a few times
00:49:17
there's probably
00:49:19
four or five guys who didn't get picked
00:49:21
up at all looking at me going I'm better
00:49:22
than him yeah that's how it works the
00:49:25
way it works right
00:49:26
um so you sort of be thankful for what
00:49:28
you do get yeah and sort of just move on
00:49:30
what was your biggest year for the IPL
00:49:31
uh this is my biggest oh 300 000. you
00:49:34
see a big year for New Zealand 11 11 new
00:49:37
zealanders picked you got 300 000 lucky
00:49:39
Ferguson two million Trent bolt uh 1.6
00:49:42
million we have talked a bit about the
00:49:43
money but how does it work shortly it's
00:49:46
not as glamorous as it sounds like you
00:49:47
get taxed you pay an agent how much do
00:49:50
you end up getting like half of it uh
00:49:52
yeah I think I mean it depends how much
00:49:54
you play as well I mean obviously
00:49:56
it's per game kind of thing so if you
00:49:58
get picked up for you get 80 if you
00:50:00
don't play so if you get picked up for a
00:50:02
million and you don't play at all you
00:50:03
get 800 Grand kind of thing
00:50:06
um and then yeah agents some guys have
00:50:08
agents some guys have their fees cap
00:50:09
that's kind of different for different
00:50:10
people and then obviously tax so I think
00:50:12
generally if you can walk away with half
00:50:14
you're you're pretty good
00:50:16
um it's not it's not bad for a couple of
00:50:18
months work well absolutely and that's
00:50:19
the thing you know
00:50:22
and I remember to say I look back and my
00:50:24
very very first year when I got picked
00:50:25
up for Delhi got picked up for about I
00:50:27
think it was about 230
00:50:30
um and I was 23 years old you know I had
00:50:34
nothing you know I'd played
00:50:36
two years of domestic Cricket I probably
00:50:37
was had a net worth of about 30 grand
00:50:41
you know and it's sort of like and I got
00:50:43
picked up for 230 Grand and I was
00:50:45
disappointed because everyone had told
00:50:48
me like You're Gonna Be A Millionaire
00:50:49
like you're going so well like these
00:50:51
teams need you like these teams are
00:50:52
gonna bid for you like Corey Anderson
00:50:54
went for 900 Grand you know half an hour
00:50:57
before I went up and so you suddenly go
00:50:59
I'm Gonna Be A Millionaire today's the
00:51:00
day today this is like oh my God and
00:51:03
then I remember like I sold for 230 000
00:51:07
or something and I was like what is that
00:51:10
all yeah you know that was and looking
00:51:11
back now you go that's a completely
00:51:13
insane way for a 23 year old is worth 30
00:51:16
grand to look at getting paid 230 000
00:51:19
but it's all the expectation of I
00:51:22
deserve this and and he's got this
00:51:24
amount which means I should be there or
00:51:26
thereabouts yeah you can kind of thing
00:51:28
I'll look back now and go I I was such a
00:51:30
penis like I should have just been so
00:51:32
happy and and you know and like like
00:51:35
more money than I'd ever seen in my
00:51:37
entire life
00:51:38
and I was disappointed and I look at
00:51:40
that person and I go what a [ __ ] what
00:51:41
like now you sort of Go full circle and
00:51:45
you sort of go awesome like take it off
00:51:48
so grateful like so lucky
00:51:51
and just hopefully be able to stay
00:51:53
uninjured and get over there and and
00:51:55
sort of continue you know being able to
00:51:57
play a sport for a living and yeah yeah
00:51:59
and
00:52:02
um do you enjoy going to and Indians
00:52:03
love their crooked over absolutely mad
00:52:05
about it you must be like a rock star
00:52:07
over there it's got to be good for the
00:52:08
ego is it good for the ego yeah yeah oh
00:52:10
yeah it is it's it's different now with
00:52:12
all the bubbles and stuff you're very
00:52:14
separated and
00:52:15
um you know you people can't get into
00:52:18
the hotel you can't leave so you sort of
00:52:19
you have the same people all the time so
00:52:21
at Mumbai last year you know I knew you
00:52:24
know all the waiters names and stuff you
00:52:25
know because the same people working
00:52:26
kind of breakfast and dinner and that
00:52:28
kind of thing and that sort of oh you
00:52:30
want the usual for breakfast Jimmy sir
00:52:31
and you go yeah yeah poached eggs on
00:52:33
toast avocado and you know it sort of it
00:52:36
became almost like an extended team you
00:52:38
know in these guys and you know and I
00:52:40
remember thinking like oh these guys are
00:52:41
pretty cool like they don't really
00:52:42
they're not fanatical about Cricket
00:52:43
they're just you know here for the ride
00:52:45
as well and then it got down to the last
00:52:47
night where we were going to leave the
00:52:49
next day and it was just like a frenzy
00:52:51
it was like photos and autographs and
00:52:53
can I have a shirt and can I like all
00:52:55
this kind of thing and I made a piece of
00:52:57
artwork for you and like all this kind
00:52:59
of things oh they're just being super
00:53:00
chills the whole time so they'd
00:53:01
obviously been given the hard word like
00:53:03
to not bother the players like not be
00:53:06
fans yeah yeah because in the bubble it
00:53:08
is kind of your Sanctuary is within the
00:53:10
bubble you kind of you know you can't
00:53:12
really Escape it so it's not ideal to
00:53:14
have people kind of in your personal
00:53:15
space that kind of thing so they've
00:53:16
obviously been given the hard word
00:53:19
um oh that's that's adorable that's
00:53:21
lovely yeah and it was yeah it was funny
00:53:23
and you sort of all the guys like oh
00:53:25
thank you sir thank you sir like kind of
00:53:27
going and he said oh they are they are
00:53:29
still fans and
00:53:30
um yeah it's definitely a massive
00:53:32
difference from the the first year I
00:53:34
went was was obviously pre-covered and
00:53:36
you go to nightclubs and going out to
00:53:39
people's places and sponsors evenings
00:53:41
and dinners and that kind of thing and
00:53:42
it's all yeah very
00:53:44
um frenetic and
00:53:46
um you know I was a passionate aren't
00:53:48
they yeah so passionate and they love
00:53:51
the game and and they love they love the
00:53:53
individuals like they so we had my team
00:53:56
Kevin Peterson was in our team
00:53:58
um at Delhi and he was just an absolute
00:54:00
just like literally genuinely a rock
00:54:03
star like would walk in and he could
00:54:06
just walk around do whatever he wanted
00:54:07
if he was if he went to a nightclub he
00:54:09
could just walk up and DJ the nightclub
00:54:10
if he wanted to like they literally he
00:54:12
could do anything and people would just
00:54:14
nod and go absolutely sir and they go
00:54:16
and it sort of you sit there as as a as
00:54:18
a kiwi who's
00:54:20
you know you've sort of stay in your
00:54:22
place as a kiwi don't you you sort of
00:54:24
come in and you you never ever say you
00:54:26
know can I skip the line like do you
00:54:27
know who I am or any height absolutely
00:54:30
not never ever like anything like that
00:54:32
and then to it's almost expected you
00:54:35
know you sort of walk up to a nightclub
00:54:37
in India and they go why are you waiting
00:54:38
back there like just walk up and go in
00:54:40
and you sort of go oh no I'm not really
00:54:41
that comfortable doing it and then KP
00:54:43
would just sort of struck to the front
00:54:44
of the line and just stroll in and you
00:54:47
go I'll come I'm with him
00:54:50
London
00:54:54
um we were walking through this thing
00:54:56
and
00:54:57
um it was uh Kevin Peterson JP doomany
00:55:00
and myself were um walking in and we
00:55:03
walked past and the sky goes oh my God
00:55:04
Kevin Peterson and he goes oh my God JP
00:55:07
Dooney he looked at me anyway
00:55:10
Steve Smith
00:55:14
yeah and I was like yeah thanks mate
00:55:21
Steve Smith and you're the Australian
00:55:23
guy I mean it feels that way around
00:55:24
you'd be called racist but yeah if it's
00:55:27
a seat to a white man you go oh yeah you
00:55:28
look kind of like yeah you look similar
00:55:30
yeah all you blonde hair blue eyes guys
00:55:32
look similar yeah amazing and um who was
00:55:35
it for you growing up who did who did
00:55:37
you pretend to be in the backyard when
00:55:38
you were playing Cricket
00:55:39
20 years ago I'm guessing when you were
00:55:41
sort of 11 12. yeah yeah so I would have
00:55:44
been
00:55:46
um oh I loved Adam Gilchrist yeah I
00:55:48
loved Chris Keynes
00:55:50
um
00:55:51
yeah I'm trying to think of that kind of
00:55:53
you know Nathan Estell those sorts of
00:55:55
guys yeah
00:55:56
the teal blue days yeah yeah yeah Rory
00:55:59
days of New Zealand cricket and yeah the
00:56:01
Glory Days when Chris Cairns had his
00:56:03
long hair and sort of the top of his
00:56:05
Mark going like this and yeah it's sort
00:56:07
of I mean I was I was a cricket fan yeah
00:56:10
definitely I I
00:56:12
you know I remember getting my bat
00:56:13
signed by these guys like on the on the
00:56:16
side of an oval and that kind of thing
00:56:17
and
00:56:18
um yeah it's a pretty cool experience to
00:56:21
to now because you never really realized
00:56:23
that you've become that person
00:56:27
if you're Fielding at the boundary or
00:56:29
something and I I don't there must be
00:56:31
times where you feel it I think you sort
00:56:34
of Feel It by how people treat you but
00:56:37
like I remember getting all the way from
00:56:39
Chris Cairns at Eden Park and kind of
00:56:41
give them my and just being like Oh my
00:56:43
God this guy's like amazing
00:56:45
and now you sort of stand on the
00:56:48
Outfield and you're signing autographs
00:56:50
for kids and that kind of thing and then
00:56:51
you
00:56:52
it's almost like that imposter syndrome
00:56:54
where you go I don't really know if I
00:56:56
should be doing that you know you sort
00:56:58
of come in into the change room and
00:56:59
you're just with your mates who
00:57:01
you know you play cricket together and
00:57:03
you you know that you know you're all
00:57:05
kind of battling through a little bit
00:57:06
trying to figure things out and you know
00:57:08
trying to work things out technically
00:57:10
and then you sort of walk out into the
00:57:11
field and people think you're this kind
00:57:13
of deity and it almost feels a little
00:57:15
bit you're unworthy at times you say oh
00:57:17
no you shouldn't really be
00:57:19
looking at me like that you shouldn't be
00:57:21
looking at me the way I looked at Chris
00:57:22
Cairns because he was just such a larger
00:57:25
than life individual to me at the time
00:57:26
but personally they could still feel
00:57:28
that way yeah it's it's really nice to
00:57:30
know though it's really good to know
00:57:31
yeah I think
00:57:33
I think that's a distinctly kiwi thing I
00:57:35
think I'm not sure if many of the other
00:57:37
countries around the world have players
00:57:39
that think that way yeah
00:57:40
um but yeah like
00:57:43
knowing the guys on the team I know a
00:57:44
lot of the guys feel similar it's kind
00:57:45
of like we're just kind of trying to get
00:57:47
through
00:57:48
trying to win games and you know he's
00:57:51
sort of and I almost still feel like at
00:57:53
31 I'm starting you know I'm still
00:57:56
learning and still trying to be so cool
00:57:58
and obviously it'll become a time where
00:58:00
my body sort of can't do it anymore but
00:58:02
I still think I'll be in Aura of these
00:58:04
other guys yeah until the day I finish
00:58:07
it's doing a lot to offer you see on on
00:58:09
that I might just find my friend Bridget
00:58:10
her seven-year-old son Benjamin
00:58:13
when she picks up do you want to ask for
00:58:14
Benjamin
00:58:16
hi hi Bridget it's Jimmy nisham here how
00:58:17
you going
00:58:22
there's Benjamin around
00:58:27
apparently he can spin both ways I don't
00:58:29
really know what that means
00:58:31
hi Benjamin it's Jimmy nisham here how
00:58:33
you going
00:58:36
are you a cricket fan
00:58:38
yeah yeah you're a black caps fan
00:58:41
how are you going are you a bachelor
00:58:43
Ebola
00:58:47
all rounder yeah that's the way all the
00:58:49
best players of all rounders though
00:58:56
or I like bassing more because bowling
00:59:01
makes me really sore what about you what
00:59:03
do you prefer
00:59:06
oh you're probably gonna be better than
00:59:07
me then
00:59:09
you can keep me in the retirement
00:59:13
oh is he gonna are you gonna play for
00:59:15
New Zealand one day Benjamin
00:59:17
hopefully that's what I want to do oh
00:59:19
perfect we'll keep working hard and I'm
00:59:21
sure you'll get there
00:59:27
yeah
00:59:29
um what's your favorite endings that
00:59:31
you've played or favorite Innings
00:59:35
um
00:59:36
I think I would have to say
00:59:39
uh
00:59:41
uh probably the World Cup against
00:59:42
Pakistan
00:59:46
uh no the the 2019 one day World Cup
00:59:49
um we're we're in a bit of trouble and
00:59:51
um managed to to get the team out of a
00:59:53
bit of a sticky situation so I'll
00:59:55
probably say that one for for how
00:59:56
challenging it was
01:00:00
excellent okay it's good to talk to you
01:00:03
guys thank you no worries see you later
01:00:06
good luck
01:00:08
see ya
01:00:10
so you you wouldn't realize the the
01:00:12
impact you have but um like he's he's a
01:00:14
chatty kitten he doesn't shut shut up
01:00:16
and he's just obsessed with Cricket but
01:00:19
I suppose as soon as uh I don't know
01:00:21
maybe it's stage fright or something but
01:00:23
as soon as the moment comes you must say
01:00:24
that a lot of kids that just just go
01:00:25
completely freeze on you yeah yeah it's
01:00:29
um yeah it's funny it's because you can
01:00:31
see
01:00:32
um
01:00:33
like obviously I've got eyes so you can
01:00:37
see people from like a long way off and
01:00:38
you sort of you know so you can tell
01:00:40
because I've noticed you yeah and some
01:00:42
sort of sometimes you'll be sitting in
01:00:43
the you know in the Mall food court or
01:00:45
something and you'll you'll sort of see
01:00:47
a kid kind of wide-eyed looking at you
01:00:49
and
01:00:50
um you sort of go okay I wonder if this
01:00:52
kid's gonna have the guts took off
01:00:53
unless you say something and you know
01:00:55
you can see the dad kind of just nudging
01:00:57
them in the back and go on like go say
01:01:00
hi and and you're sort of sitting there
01:01:01
like watching going is he gonna and
01:01:03
probably
01:01:04
uh way more than half the time the kids
01:01:07
just go no no no no yeah
01:01:09
that's the cutest thing so that kept
01:01:12
Benjamin um they live just at the back
01:01:14
of the apartment I said to my friend
01:01:15
Bridget I said oh if Jimmy's got five
01:01:17
minutes afterwards we'll come around and
01:01:18
say good and have a photo yeah and um I
01:01:20
did the same thing a couple of weeks ago
01:01:21
with Hayden wild who got a bronze Med on
01:01:23
the triathlon at the Olympics last year
01:01:24
and his response he was how many of
01:01:26
these people am I going to meet mum and
01:01:28
I'm just wondering when life when I'm
01:01:29
gonna go back to my real life
01:01:31
yeah I suppose that's the benefit of
01:01:33
having a world famous podcast
01:01:36
get all the games maybe you've been so
01:01:39
generous with your time God oh one more
01:01:41
thing I want to ask you the um the
01:01:42
covert thing you must be so pleased at
01:01:44
it
01:01:44
touch wood we're getting to the tail end
01:01:46
of that how many isolation days have you
01:01:47
done do you reckon all up oh you sat
01:01:49
down and worked out how many stints uh
01:01:51
well I know I've done three of the of
01:01:53
the managed isos in New Zealand
01:01:56
um 14 days each time uh the last one I
01:01:58
managed to sneak in and it went down to
01:02:00
seven for a little bit for one of them
01:02:02
so 14 14 7.
01:02:05
um bubbles probably another
01:02:10
for another five months probably bubbles
01:02:13
which is obviously essentially miq in
01:02:16
the hotel not allowed to leave except
01:02:18
for the ground and
01:02:20
um yeah probably more than that six
01:02:21
months maybe and then obviously when
01:02:24
you're overseas still further tolerance
01:02:25
there's a lot of restrictions around
01:02:26
sort of where you can eat and what you
01:02:28
can do and all that kind of thing so I
01:02:30
am well and truly ready hopefully
01:02:32
everyone's vaccinated and boosted and
01:02:34
everyone's sort of ready and prepared
01:02:36
and you know middle of the winter coming
01:02:38
to next summer we're going to be back
01:02:39
through the back end of it and yeah
01:02:41
we'll be humming what about tests how
01:02:42
many how many tests do you estimate
01:02:44
you've had at covert test
01:02:47
um
01:02:48
I would say somewhere
01:02:51
maybe 300
01:02:53
oh my [ __ ] god wow yeah well we wow
01:02:58
um yeah when we we were doing every day
01:03:01
every day in IPL so
01:03:04
um just go down to breakfast there's a
01:03:05
dude there in the room next to breakfast
01:03:07
and go get your test and not the nose
01:03:10
one yeah the nose one oh my God so wow
01:03:15
your poor nose yeah well I think and
01:03:18
yeah and IPL it was
01:03:20
uh it was nose nose throat every morning
01:03:24
so two up the nose and then one on the
01:03:26
throat
01:03:28
um yeah each morning and
01:03:29
um obviously every time we fly you know
01:03:31
you need to get the pre-departure
01:03:34
um you know it's sort of at
01:03:37
um when I was at Essex as well playing
01:03:39
candy Cricket it was every day before
01:03:40
training if you want to come into the
01:03:41
change room you've got to get an rat
01:03:42
test
01:03:44
um so yeah very used to it by now but
01:03:46
the the worst one is is New Zealand
01:03:48
pre-departure test is it what New
01:03:50
Zealand go the hardest right yeah in
01:03:52
terms of depth of the most depth and
01:03:54
yeah because you can rank them all
01:03:56
because an IPL I mean they're obviously
01:03:59
testing it but they don't really want to
01:04:01
find it like of course they want to keep
01:04:03
the show rolling off so they kind of do
01:04:04
a little kind of up around the inside
01:04:06
and thanks mate yeah a little tickle on
01:04:09
and then obviously in New Zealand
01:04:10
they're fully into it they want it they
01:04:12
are finding it they go right into the
01:04:13
brain stem and have a little jab around
01:04:15
and you sort of forget your uncle's name
01:04:17
and stuff you go [ __ ] it's just
01:04:18
knocked out of my brain but no uh it's
01:04:21
certainly something I I mean you learn
01:04:23
to learn to take it don't you I suppose
01:04:27
the only option because I am I managed
01:04:30
to have I avoid covert testing all
01:04:32
together until I traveled towards the
01:04:33
end of last year and I found it fine I
01:04:34
had a saliva test for pre-departure and
01:04:36
then overseas you know this throat test
01:04:38
and as you said they don't go very high
01:04:39
on the nose then when I came back for
01:04:41
miq uh I was shedding myself about that
01:04:44
very first test I was like dreading it
01:04:46
um but the first one was actually fine
01:04:47
it sort of tickled and I sneezed
01:04:49
afterwards it felt kind of kind of
01:04:50
pleasant-ish even yeah just so we
01:04:52
Tickler and I thought oh I've been
01:04:53
reading this thing and it just goes to
01:04:55
show that you shouldn't be fearful of
01:04:56
these things because whatever then the
01:04:58
day three test or whatever oh my God
01:05:00
holy [ __ ] yeah my I was watering for
01:05:03
hours afterwards that was unpleasant
01:05:05
yeah we were in the hotel and where the
01:05:08
Crown Plaza and I went in for my day one
01:05:10
and someone was coming out I think it
01:05:12
was maybe Tim Seifert and he just went
01:05:14
don't go to the blonde chicken
01:05:16
and I looked at him look like I've been
01:05:19
punched in the face so my eyes are
01:05:21
watering I got in there and there was
01:05:22
like this one blonde at the end looking
01:05:24
at me and I was like no I'm just like
01:05:26
waited wait a little bit longer to get
01:05:28
the lady sort of closest and she wasn't
01:05:31
too bad but now there's certainly a
01:05:33
difference and it does depend on the
01:05:35
individual doesn't it yeah hey um hey
01:05:37
we'll finish up with some quick fire
01:05:38
running questions even though um yeah
01:05:39
it's been a fabulous chatting with you I
01:05:41
never realized you I invited you on
01:05:43
because I thought you enjoyed running I
01:05:44
I enjoy it I enjoy I'm feel better when
01:05:47
I am running yeah you know it's one of
01:05:49
those things that it's pain while it's
01:05:51
happening but then when I'm in a rhythm
01:05:52
where I'm running two or three times a
01:05:54
week I definitely feel better as an
01:05:55
individual it's just the case of
01:05:56
actually having the self-discipline you
01:05:58
do it okay what do you listening to when
01:06:00
you run
01:06:01
uh Spotify playlist music podcast yeah
01:06:05
music yeah
01:06:06
um what was your favorite place to run
01:06:09
uh
01:06:10
uh I I love running around Cornwall Park
01:06:12
but it's we're down kind of in One Tree
01:06:15
Hill only Hangar Ash area so it's like a
01:06:17
real steep run at Rafferty road to get
01:06:19
there so I love the running there in
01:06:22
there the most but I hate getting there
01:06:23
the most so sorry because the hell it
01:06:26
was a great one oh no I'm heavy mate
01:06:28
you're 80 kg is 101.
01:06:32
um what's your favorite shoe do you have
01:06:33
a favorite shoe to Runner uh New Balance
01:06:35
of course
01:06:36
and you prefer to run alone or with a
01:06:38
crew alone yeah yeah I'm this I'm the
01:06:41
same I I've got a thing if you're
01:06:42
running with someone else someone's
01:06:44
someone's running faster than what they
01:06:45
want and someone's running slower than
01:06:47
what they want yeah
01:06:48
um although I do like that um I go
01:06:50
running a lot with lucky Ferguson and
01:06:51
Ben horn who's an Auckland cricketer
01:06:53
because they're both fitter than me so
01:06:55
if I go running with them I I I'm like
01:06:57
panting like a dog like hanging out the
01:06:59
back end of them and I need to hang on
01:07:00
and that's when I run my quickest yeah
01:07:02
right when I'm by myself I'm kind of in
01:07:03
my comfort zone you go yeah you do you
01:07:05
tend to cruise don't you you got your
01:07:06
comfortable Pace um do you prefer um
01:07:08
summer running or winter running summer
01:07:10
oh Runners High real or myth real as in
01:07:13
like while you're doing it
01:07:15
well I think I think it's just that
01:07:16
endorphin rush I feel like it can happen
01:07:18
during or after yeah uh yeah true yeah
01:07:21
definitely you have it during uh after
01:07:23
it sounds like you have it when you're
01:07:25
as soon as you finish running I've I've
01:07:26
actually have had it a couple of times
01:07:27
during
01:07:29
um but like when I've run a half
01:07:31
marathon like that kind of kilometer
01:07:34
sort of 13 to 15. like let's start at a
01:07:37
random point in the middle when you've
01:07:39
sort of gone into the hurt box and
01:07:41
you've run too far and you don't have
01:07:42
the ability to keep running but then you
01:07:44
do and then your body almost gives up
01:07:46
your body stops bothering telling you
01:07:48
that it's in pain it sort of goes okay
01:07:50
well if you're gonna do it you're gonna
01:07:51
do it and then then you're sort of
01:07:53
running for a couple of K's in the
01:07:54
middle and you go I feel great yeah and
01:07:56
that obviously inevitably comes back
01:07:58
yeah sweet spot but it's amazing how you
01:08:00
can sort of Even Flow like that and go
01:08:02
from feeling complete [ __ ] and like
01:08:04
you've given it everything you've got to
01:08:06
suddenly having a period where you're
01:08:07
you're just in like a flow State again
01:08:08
yeah well you see it like I just
01:08:10
mentioned I use Strava and you see it
01:08:12
with the kilometer breakdowns and
01:08:13
sometimes you just have a couple of K's
01:08:15
where you you go 10 or 15 seconds
01:08:17
quicker than all the rest of it and you
01:08:18
look back and go no that wasn't downhill
01:08:20
or anything it was just kind of got into
01:08:22
a good Rhythm and like I try and match
01:08:24
my breathing out with my with my strides
01:08:26
and if you can if I can do that I feel
01:08:27
like I'm like in a real good rhythm of
01:08:29
running
01:08:30
yeah that's a good idea I've never never
01:08:31
tried that yeah
01:08:33
yeah so I suppose it's like um almost
01:08:35
like a like a Locomotion sort of thing
01:08:36
yeah probably get in like a Zone and
01:08:38
yeah like I try and go out out in and
01:08:40
out out in in with my like right left
01:08:42
right left right left right and just try
01:08:44
and like get into a rhythm where it's
01:08:45
just almost all happening yeah I think
01:08:48
yeah I don't know what I'm talking about
01:08:49
yeah well that's the thing it's such an
01:08:52
individual thing nobody nobody does and
01:08:53
there's no right or wrong and I think
01:08:54
that's the cool thing about it hey thank
01:08:56
you so much for your time today best of
01:08:58
luck for the the year ahead and what it
01:08:59
may bring hopefully um we get to see you
01:09:01
in whites playing a test match again
01:09:03
yeah ideally ideally I know I'm not
01:09:05
going to get an invite for a run now
01:09:06
because we both just said that we're
01:09:07
like running by ourselves
01:09:11
yeah sounds good
