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I've been lucky enough being around the
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you know Michael Joneses and the Dan
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Carters and the Richie MCCS and you name
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it some of the great rugby players of
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all time but Callen to me was just
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something slightly different I know
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you've been lucky enough to chat to him
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and he's very modest and he was quite
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hard to communicate with when he was an
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all black much easier these days but he
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could just light a game up from nothing
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if he was not making a break he was
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there supporting someone who had he was
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just unbelievable and his introduction I
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think he scored three or four tries on
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debut for the All Blacks he was a
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generational player I believe