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Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue

March 31, 2026 /

This episode covers the tragic fire at a cottage on Addison Avenue, the deaths of Jennifer Skipsy and Paul Zumot, and the subsequent investigation into the cause of the fire. Key discussions include the backgrounds of Jennifer and Paul, their tumultuous relationship, and the evidence leading to Paul's arrest for murder.

The episode begins with the fire at the cottage, where firefighters discover a body inside. Friends and family describe Jennifer as an ambitious real estate agent and Paul as a charismatic entrepreneur. Their relationship is portrayed as passionate but fraught with conflict, leading to restraining orders against two brothers who allegedly threatened Jennifer.

As the investigation unfolds, police focus on Paul, who exhibits suspicious behavior during questioning. Evidence emerges that suggests the fire was deliberately set and that Jennifer was murdered before the blaze. The episode details the forensic findings, including the presence of gasoline and the nature of Jennifer's death.

Paul's trial reveals a complex narrative of love, jealousy, and betrayal. Prosecutors present text messages and witness testimonies that paint a picture of a volatile relationship, while the defense argues that Paul is innocent and that the evidence is circumstantial.

The episode concludes with the jury's guilty verdict, leading to Paul's sentencing and a reflection on the impact of the tragedy on the lives involved.

TLDR

A fire reveals a murder mystery involving Jennifer Skipsy and Paul Zumot, leading to Paul's arrest and trial for her death.

Episode

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The fire in the cottage on Addison Avenue was hungry, devouring almost everything in the bedroom.
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All right, we'll have fire department on the way. You see smoke coming out of the windows?
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It's pouring out of some inside the house. Within minutes, firefighters knocked it down, the smoke clearing, the sooty water running in the streets.
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And then, as the mop-up began, the word flashed out like something electric. The house was occupied. Someone didn't get out.
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And up through the ashes, a mystery flared, like a stubborn ember, glowed and smoldered, and demanded an answer.
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The inhabitants of the rented cottage, as investigators soon learned, were two young, beautiful people, the sort of glossy and successful types you might expect to see on some reality show.
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Their names were Paul Zumot and Jennifer Skipsy. Jennifer, an ambitious, award-winning real estate agent who lived like a rock star, or so said her buddy Roy Enderman.
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And she'd be like, I'm knocking him out like Domino's, baby. I just worked out, went to Starbucks, and I'm on my way to a meeting.
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And it's only 6.33. So Paul seemed to be just the right kind of guy for Jennifer, said Roy.
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Because he was an entrepreneur, and he seemed like he was a very driven person. And that's definitely a quality that Jennifer was looking for.
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Jordanian-American Paul Zumot. Sleek, attractive, educated, engaging. Paul owned a local hangout, a cafe,
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where customers could smoke flavored tobacco through water pipes called hookahs.
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The place, and Paul, were popular. Nikisa Gottsab was a fan. He's a good-looking guy.
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You know, he looks good, he smells good, he presents well, he's witty, he's smart,
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and he's just, he's affectionate. So, love at first sight? Well, maybe, said their friends.
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From the minute that he told me about her, he always talked about how wonderful she is
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and how she's perfect. He definitely was very charismatic and he liked to joke around.
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And money? There was a lot of it around, apparently, too. And Jennifer and Paul, having worked hard to get it,
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seemed only too happy to spend it. When Jennifer and Paul first got together, Paul took Jennifer to New York City.
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And I remember he was like a kid in a candy store, just planning all these elaborate, wonderful things that they were going to do together.
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They were passionate, these beautiful people. They both had strong personalities. Their love burned hot.
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Jennifer was a very strong, independent woman, and she would not accept anyone disrespecting her.
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or even looking at her inappropriately. And she was very strong-willed in that. Me, like I always did, told him,
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you need to be careful, you know, because girls can be evil. So he said, no, she's different.
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I love her. You know, I already love her. She's great. And so in September of 2009,
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Paul and Jennifer moved into that charming little cottage on Addison Avenue here in Palo Alto.
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Time to play house. Paul started to think about marriage. And for Paul's 36th birthday, Jennifer planned a party full of promise.
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She invited most of his close friends to Dish Dash, one of his favorite restaurants.
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And I think they had over a dozen people there, almost 20 people or something. And Jennifer created a cute table setting.
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She created the perfect party for Paul, cake and everything. In fact, people who were there described the party as almost like a wedding reception.
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It lasted through the evening into the wee hours of the morning. And now here it was just the very next evening.
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And it was gone in ashes. All of it, the excitement, the glamour, the promising future up in smoke along with the house on Addison.
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And the person inside. Yeah, we have a party. I need a medic. We have a body badly burned.
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The next day, Jim Skipsy was driving with his parents to a dinner engagement. His phone rang.
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It was an old friend. He picked it up. I said, Jake, you're going to tell me something bad, aren't you?
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And he said, Jim. Just kept repeating your name? Yeah. He said like three times, I guess.
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So I said, Jake, hold on, man. I got to pull over. And I didn't even want to hear it.
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I didn't want to hear what he had to tell me. So I gave the phone to my dad. And he told my dad.
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My dad opened up the phone. He just held out of his arms, me and my mom, just like we were all holding each other.
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And he told us Jenny was gone. It was his Jennifer, his daughter, who died in that fire.
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And now along with almost unbearable grief, something else started to burn inside Jim.
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Something searing. It was suspicion. You know, accidents will happen. There's a lot of tragic things that happen to a lot of people in this world.
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But this was no accident. It didn't have to happen. While the deadly fire was burning at his home on Addison Abbey Paul Zumot was at his hookah lounge just minutes away
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Someone called, told him about the fire. He rushed over, but could only pace helplessly back and forth as firefighters did their job.
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Soon after that, he sat down with Palo Alto police to try to help sort out what happened.
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Though, as you can see on the video recording of the meeting, SAT is probably not the best description.
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Paul was full of nervous energy and frantic questions. At this point, nobody had told him that Jennifer was in that fire.
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I'm worried about my house. Not even worried about my girlfriend. What caused the fire? How do you care about this? I want to talk more about Jennifer right now.
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I'm not sure that I know any more than you do. My job is just basically to talk to you and find out what exactly you know.
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because you probably know more than me at this point. No, no. So, together, police and Zuma talked about the hours before the fire.
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Where had she been? What had she and Paul been doing? Yesterday was my birthday.
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We went out. Everything's fine, you know. Me and her and all the friends. Who's her?
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Jennifer. And that's your girlfriend? Yeah. Paul explained to police that he spent the afternoon at an appointment in San Jose,
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got back to Palo Alto just in time for his cafe to open for the evening. I came here and it was traffic and I got to the cafe
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because that's when they opened. I had to log in to the computers. And as soon as I sat down on a smoke, I have the hooker lounge right here.
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I started smoking. My landlord called me and said, the house is on fire. I flew in.
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I flew in through the red lights and came here. Now I am really frustrated. I'm really confused.
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I'm really exhausted and I want to know what happened. I can't risk about the house
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because it's about Jennifer's safety. I just cannot think anything right now, guys.
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To be honest with you, I just cannot think anything. Then, in the middle of his conversation
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with detectives, Paul's phone rang. It was Jennifer's mother who told him she hadn't seen
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or heard from her daughter. You can see what happened. Paul fell to pieces. I know, I know.
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I know, I can't find her. They're not telling me anything. To this point, he told detectives he'd been clinging to the hope that Jennifer might be with her mother anywhere really but at home.
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But she wasn't with her mother. Wasn't anywhere. And that's when the officer broke this news.
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I'm going to tell you this now, but there's a body in the house. It's been burned.
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So we have no way of knowing who that is. Oh my God, please let me know. Okay, give me a wrap.
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I need to get out of here. Get out of here, please. Okay, and I'm trying to be as sensitive as I possibly can be because I understand that this is your...
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You know, I don't know that this is Jennifer. I hope not. I hope not. Listen, we have not confirmed who this is, okay?
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But it's a really, really odd set of circumstances, okay? We need to figure out, is this on purpose? Is this an accident? Okay?
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This is just, unfortunately, this is just the beginning for all of us, okay, to try to answer some questions.
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Okay? But of course, it had to be Jennifer. And it probably wasn't an accident. As that news sank in, Paul began to think about who might have wanted to harm Jennifer.
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And came up with some potentially helpful information. Two brothers, Hisham and Tony Ganma.
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It already threatened her, said Paul. There had been a confrontation just weeks earlier.
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So what happened is he called me and he spoke in Arabic, and I speak Arabic fluently.
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And he spoke to her, so he called the police. Paul said that he and Jennifer had filed restraining orders against both brothers.
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Now she was scared from him. She was literally scared from him. I'm scared from the guy.
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So I didn't know those guys like this. this. Now, yesterday she walked home and she said, hey, somebody was stalking me.
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Had the brothers killed her too? Police listened, took some notes. And then, just as a precaution,
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of course, had Paul give them his clothes for forensic testing. Questioned by police,
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his home destroyed, his girlfriend dead. Paul Zumod was very nearly in shock, said his friend
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Nikisa. His mind was that are they sure Jennifer's gone and oh my god she's never coming back.
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And as the weeks went by said Nikisa Paul was in a kind of daze. The gist of our conversations
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for the first few weeks were the fact that Jennifer's not coming back. He was completely
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distraught about the fact that Jennifer was in that fire. Meanwhile as those same weeks went by
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investigators went quietly and steadily about their task, peeking through the cinders of the fire
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and coming to the conclusion that none of it smelled right. Literally. The morning after the fire on Edison Avenue,
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the ruins still warm. A yellow lab named Rosie sniffed around what was by then a sealed crime scene Rosie was trained to identify some of the tools of arson kerosene oil gasoline
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Rosie stopped in her tracks. She'd apparently found something. Back then, Chuck Gillingham was a deputy district attorney in Palo Alto.
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Was gasoline there? No question at all. It's in her hair. You could smell it, and you could smell it when you walked in just with your own nose.
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And in fact, the remnants of the gas can was found next to her right hip. And so there were still enough remnants of the gas can for us actually to identify the type and make and model of the gas can.
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Wow, that's like somebody leaving the gun beside the body with their fingerprints all over it or something, isn't it?
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Well, no fingerprints, obviously, and no physical evidence beyond that. But it was so clear that it was an arson.
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Correct. And the arson was not at issue. No, it was cold-blooded murder that was at issue.
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because Jennifer Skipsy did not die in the fire. According to forensic experts, she was dead before the fire started.
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The method? A particularly intimate form of killing. Death by strangulation. Strangling someone is a very personal killing.
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That's a very angry killing. It's not like shooting someone from a long way away, I don't imagine.
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I mean, you're absolutely touching the person and feeling their life's blood ebb from them.
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who could have been so angry with jennifer paul had told detectives that he and jennifer had taken
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out restraining orders against those two brothers hisham and tony ganma both part of his social
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circle men whom he considered former friends there's people after us what's that mean they're
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trying to get us they're trying to harm her harm me who's that his name is hisham that's the guy
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okay the guy that you have the restraining order against civil restraining against him
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He hit me. He was standing against me. And just one night before, after Paul's birthday party celebration,
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Paul told police some guys in a truck tried to follow Jennifer home. She broke her heels and somebody was just talking to her.
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And it was fine. It was okay with me. But we had people threaten us in the past.
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Okay? I don't know what's going on. And I think that's what caused the fire, I believe.
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Tracking you? Somebody was threatening us. Oh, threatening. Okay. So, was Paul Zumot on to something?
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Detectives went to talk to the brothers, and of course, checked to see where both men were the day of the fire.
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And, there was no doubt, they were nowhere near the fire. They had alibis. At the time of the fire, we know exactly where both of them were.
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One of the gun brothers was in their cafe, and he's on videotape, and the other was at Fry's Electronics and Home Depot, about 20 miles away.
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We have those receipts, and we have videotape from both of those locations. So, once the Ganma brothers were in the clear, the cops did what they always do in cases like this.
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In fact, it's practically police work 101. They took a closer look at the victim's boyfriend, Paul.
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And there was a curious moment in that police interview the day of the fire when Paul admitted he wasn't always the best sort of boyfriend.
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Me and my girlfriend broke up. And thanks to San Jose, San Jose, Palo Alto PD, they put an emergency restraining order on me in August.
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because she said, Paul, threatening me, blah, blah, blah. And I said, no, she came to the cafe, broke the door in my cafe.
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But we had these problems, me and her. But you know what? And I had domestic violence against the girl.
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I never touched the girl in my life. You could see the police reports. Suspicious, sure.
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But as they asked around among the couple's friends, police learned a few things that put Paul's behavior into context.
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Maybe he wasn't any more to blame than she was. Their relationship was chaotic. There's no disputing that, absolutely.
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But he was no more violent in the relationship than she was, whether it be physically, verbally, emotionally.
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As police gathered evidence bit by bit, asking around about Paul, one of them noticed something a little odd.
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Paul told a friend, also a policeman, by the way, two slightly different stories about his whereabouts the day of the fire.
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First conversation, day of the fire, reported the cop friend. Paul said he wasn't home all day.
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Then, second conversation next day, Paul said he stopped briefly at home, en route to his hookah cafe.
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As we say, odd. But people's memories can be tricky. Was that one little difference enough to add up to suspicion of murder?
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Police apparently thought so, especially once they added that to the rest of what they'd discovered.
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Paul was arrested. What's that? I will be for my attorney. Okay. They charge Paul Zumatz with arson and murder,
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which struck some observers as strange. After all, there had been just that one little inconsistency.
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And though Paul and Jennifer did fight sometimes, they seemed crazy in love, too.
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Paul had been shopping for a diamond ring, for heaven's sake. There was a part of Paul that was mourning his girlfriend.
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And then there was a part of him that was, he didn't understand why he was in custody.
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And he didn't understand why he couldn't just cry for his girlfriend. And for his life, that had just changed 100%.
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It certainly did. Paul Zumot was taken to jail to await trial on a charge of murder in the first degree.
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Big mistake, said Paul Zumot. When I first saw him, all he was really still telling me is,
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you know, me being in custody, all of this is going to blow over with. You know, they're going to realize I'm not the person who did this.
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In the days after the fire on Addison Avenue after Paul Zumod was charged with murder and hauled off to jail
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events in Palo Alto seemed to freeze somehow. In confusion and denial from Paul's point of view, and unrequited grief among the people who loved Jennifer.
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It hurt. It hurt a lot. Unrequited, partly because for some reason, though he'd been arrested, Paul wasn't entering a plea.
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Which is what this was all about. Candlelight vigils outside Paul's hookah lounge by Jennifer's friends and family.
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We decided to stand in front of his establishment every night until he made his plea.
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Eventually, no surprise, Paul did plead. Not guilty. and prosecutor Chuck Gillingham found himself sifting through the records of a two-year romance,
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studded with restraining orders, bitter quarrels, scratches, bruises, 911 calls.
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I mean, these were two people that were make-ups and break-ups, and she gave verbally as good as she got.
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After one of their flare-ups, Paul was ordered to attend anger management classes,
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went to one the day of the fire, in fact. So why did two people who fought so much stay together for so long?
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There was, it turned out, an audio recording of Jennifer herself. Killingham got hold of it, listened to her explanation.
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He wins your heart, so the first couple months is amazing, sweeps you off your feet, candles everywhere, flowers,
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not money items, but just romantic and sweet talking and parading you around and wanting to introduce you to everybody.
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It gets me loving him and admiring him that he admires me. And then it makes me trust his opinion and what he says about me and thinks about me.
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So then, as soon as he gets to that point, he flips it and calls me ugly, fat, a gold digger.
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By the way, the person she's talking to, Hisham Ganma. Remember, he's one of the brothers Paul told police he and Jennifer were afraid of.
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But here she was, confiding in him. Mind you, it's a phone conversation that was recorded a few months before the fire.
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But then she was not happy about Paul. Not at that point, anyway. I have pictures of the damage that he did to all of my furniture.
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He kicked in my car. Somebody saw him at Starbucks, spit in my face, on my way to work.
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But things clearly changed after that. Remember, they were all lovey-dovey. Paul was even talking marriage.
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the night before the fire. And now here he was, not much more than a year later,
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on trial for her murder, listening to prosecutor Chuck Gillingham take the jury inside the last days of Paul's relationship with Jennifer.
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How did Gillingham do that? Jennifer's cell phone. Detectives discovered, and this was rather curious,
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that most of her text message history had been deleted. But the messages had not disappeared.
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The Palo Alto cops managed to find a phone expert all the way across the country in New Hampshire
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who had a very deep look into that cell phone and was able to pull up thousands,
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literally thousands of deleted text messages between Jennifer and Paul in the last few months of her life.
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And, oh boy. From Jennifer. You're nothing but a selfish, cold-hearted, ungrateful human being, scam artist, liar.
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Furious. That one didn't read like just any old quarrel. And the timing. Jennifer sent that text to Paul right at the end of the elaborate birthday party she threw for him.
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When she had perhaps 12 hours left to live. In fact, she was so upset about something that she refused to go to the hookah lounge after the party.
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Walked all the way home on a broken heel, texting all the way. Jennifer. Good, stay away from me.
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I just got home. pull. I'm staying away this time for good. What a way to end my birthday. For Jennifer to walk home
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alone at night with a broken heel and upset, she had to have been. I don't, I don't even know if
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I've ever even seen her that mad. But that was the night before. Angry messages buzzing back and
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forth. Then, as the cell phone revealed, the pair made love during the night before Jennifer's
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morning text messages again turned red hot angry. The subject seemed to be a debt she claimed he
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owed her. Right around 1030, 1045 into 11, roughly 16 in the morning, she is now referring back to
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those text messages and telling him he better bring a check and don't come back or she's going
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to the San Jose Police Department to file charges by three o'clock that day. And that's the last
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text message that anyone gets from her. That's the last contact she has ever with anyone.
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That, said Gillingham, just before noon, is when Paul lost his temper and choked Jennifer to death,
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then drove to a gas station, bought a can of gasoline, later returned home, torched the house. And somewhere along the way, said the prosecutor,
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he erased all those angry text messages she sent him. Every single one between the defendant and her,
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every single one is gone, months worth. And then said Gillingham Paul used Jennifer's cell phone
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to send fake texts to her friends, so they believed she was still alive. To support that claim, Gillingham introduced an expert witness
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who testified that texts from Paul's phone and texts from Jennifer's phone were hitting some of the same cell towers all afternoon.
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So her phone must have been right there with him in his car. Which is why, when she missed a meeting with her friend Roy Enderman, the texts he got from her didn't make sense.
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They weren't a sensible response to the message he'd sent her. In fact, he got the same text twice.
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She didn't show up and her phone was off. And so as soon as I got that repeat text message, I was kind of worried because she wasn't responding to what I was saying.
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Jennifer was nowhere to be found. Jennifer was dead. Now, what Prosecutor Gillingham wanted the jury to think about
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was what happened or didn't happen much later after the fire. Here was the scene, house burning, Paul standing on the street outside watching the fire.
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At this point, he supposedly didn't know if Jennifer was inside or outside, whether she was alive or dead.
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But... And at the time that he was there, he made 38 calls and text messages, two of which went to Jennifer.
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And on neither occasion did he leave Jennifer a message. He left messages for others.
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He spoke with others. He text messages, for instance, the same friend multiple times.
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But in that two-hour period, at no time does he leave that location to look for Jennifer, perhaps,
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to go to the other side of the blocked off street. You know, if he called her and texted her once, surely that's enough.
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I mean, she'll call him back. Cell phone records actually bear out that he's a person that would call or text her 200 to 300 times a day
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when he wasn't around her, if he wasn't able to get a hold of her. His silence, especially at the crime scene, was deafening,
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because there's no text message I would submit, and I did to the jury, that he stood at that location because he wanted people to see him there.
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But how could the jury be sure Paul was guilty? Prosecutor Gillingham offered her.
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Remember Rosie, the skillful police dog trained to alert to the faintest whiff of accelerant
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of the sort used in arson fires? She alerted when she smelled some of Paul Zumat's clothes.
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Suspicious, yes, though not exactly ironclad evidence, as you'll see. Courtesy of Paul's high-profile defense attorney,
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the man famous for defending Scott Peterson. His name? Mark Garagos. I've had many a client who I have no doubt was capable of the acts that they were accused of.
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This is just not one of them. Defense attorney Mark Garagos has made a name for himself defending clients in difficult and highly celebrated cases, not the least the Scott Peterson trial.
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But defending Paul Zumat would present its own set of challenges. Zumont was accused of killing his girlfriend, Jennifer Skipsy,
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and then trying to hide that fact by burning the house down. But as the trial began, he'd also been pegged by the prosecution as an abuser,
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a violent man, an image Garagos set out to change. They both were passionate, romantic at times, hot at times, as you would characterize it.
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I don't think it was a one-way street by any means. For a start, Garagos tried best he could to weed out possible jury members who might have been unduly swayed by angry text messages or stories about Zumat's temper.
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What jurors do or what you want to get a jury to do is to want to help your client and to kind of walk in the shoes of your client.
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And then when he presented his case, Garagos set out to reframe the events after that infamous party the night before the fire.
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The party was at a place and it was for Paul's birthday and it was planned by Jennifer and
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they had maybe 14 to 18 of their close friends that were there and by all accounts at the party everything was great And the argument later the angry texts That was just the way Paul and Jennifer always were said Garagos
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His proof? After those angry text message exchanges, here's what happened, as Zumat described in his police interview.
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We talked, we smoked hookah, everything was fine, we did what we did, you know. I told her to give me two Xanaxes.
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I think probably she already took one or two before, but she took two more in front of me,
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and we just went to bed. And I got up at 11. So you guys slept at the same night?
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Yes, oh yeah, yeah. Okay, so you guys made up. I made up, yeah, yeah, I made up,
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and then we have a video, I mean, we video ourselves. I mean, honestly, but I shouldn't be saying that,
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but that's to prove that I was in the house, in her form, in her videos. Video yourself, what do you mean?
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When we have sex, we video ourselves. So you had sex last night with her videoing?
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Yeah. And sure enough, when police looked at Jennifer's cell phone, there was a video.
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She and Paul having sex after their fight hours before she was murdered. So enthusiastically that anybody who watches this is never going to have the impression or take away from that,
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that this was somebody who was ready to kill her. And as for that cell tower evidence that Prosecutor Gillingham presented,
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which seemed to show Paul had Jennifer's phone with him and was sending out fake messages in her name,
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That was nonsense, said Garagos. That was one of the pieces of information that was absolutely imploded.
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We went and got the engineer, the actual engineer, from the carrier to come in and say he looked at the evidence.
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And what this guy said was the phone pinging off the same towers was not. It was just merged data from the cell phone.
00:29:42
Why is that important? Because, says Garagos, the prosecution's own timeline should have cleared Paul Zumat.
00:29:49
That is, investigators said Jennifer was strangled several hours before the fire started
00:29:54
and it was lit no earlier than about 6.30 p.m. But early in the afternoon, after Paul had left the area, Garagos says,
00:30:02
Jennifer was still alive, sending real, not fake, text messages herself from her phone.
00:30:09
By all accounts, she was alive at 1.17. Okay. Okay? And at 1.17, Paul was not at the house.
00:30:18
So, where was Paul? Trying to pick up paperwork at the Palo Alto Police Station.
00:30:24
And then at the Hookah Lounge, where he appears on security cam footage around 1.37 p.m.
00:30:29
And from there, says the defense attorney, he headed to his anger management class about 18 miles away.
00:30:36
On the way, he stopped at the restaurant depot, seen here on camera, around 3.30.
00:30:41
So there simply wasn't time in between, said Garagos, for Paul to go to the cottage, strangle his girlfriend, and douse her body with gasoline.
00:30:52
A solid alibi, said Garagos. His client simply couldn't have killed Jennifer, and he couldn't have started the fire.
00:31:00
How could he have been in two places at once? And as for Rosie, the yellow lab who alerted to a gasoline smell on Zumat's clothes?
00:31:08
Ergo simply pointed out that those very clothes were submitted to a test on state-of-the-art equipment of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
00:31:15
And they showed no evidence of gasoline at all. The ATF chemist has a protocol. And specifically, one of the things the prosecution also didn't tell this jury, which we brought out,
00:31:25
was that the ATF also put out a protocol that said you never take a dog alert, a single dog alert, and draw a conclusion.
00:31:35
And in fact, if the ATF says negative, then you should not allow in the dog alert.
00:31:41
So why would people believe the dog over the ATF? Well, I think once again, you get into this idea of people have dogs.
00:31:46
They kind of ascribe supernatural powers to dogs. I mean you know I got two large dogs and having been through a couple of cases with dog evidence as much as I love my dogs I certainly not going to want to convict somebody
00:32:03
and put their liberty at stake based on dog evidence. Still, as he presented his case, Garagos had a problem, and he knew it.
00:32:13
What it came down to was the character assassination block of the case. I mean, the first two blocks of this case revolved around what's so-called scientific evidence,
00:32:24
and that was absolutely destroyed, and then you ended up with the character assassination block.
00:32:30
The solution? Paul Zumat himself appears to have demanded it. The chance to defend himself to the jury by testifying.
00:32:39
Some courtroom observers believe the defense had already created a reasonable doubt
00:32:43
that testifying was, in fact, risky, especially for Paul, said his friend, Nakisa.
00:32:49
Knowing Paul the way I know Paul and the way that he could be interpreted incorrectly,
00:32:55
I was very nervous about Paul taking the stand. Risky or not, Paul was determined to tell the jury
00:33:01
his side of the story. Defense attorney Mark Garagos had done what he could to poke holes in the prosecution's murder case against Paul Zumot,
00:33:21
arguing that the prosecution had no solid scientific proof or clear evidence Zumot was anywhere near Jennifer when she was strangled and the house was set on fire.
00:33:31
And anyway, he asked, if Paul attacked Jennifer, wouldn't she have put up some kind of fight?
00:33:38
Why were there no defensive marks or scratches on Paul Zumot's body? Did the prosecution even have a case?
00:33:46
Paul Zumat wasn't going to take any chances. In fact, he was determined to tell the jury his side of the story.
00:33:54
So Garagos assigned a female colleague to question Paul. Must have been a strategy, whispered courtroom observers.
00:34:02
A way to show the jury that Paul could, in fact, interact well with a woman. But those observers were mistaken, said Garagos.
00:34:11
Well, I generally, I don't think direct examination is my strong suit. And I was concentrating on cross-examination of the witnesses.
00:34:20
So Paul Zumont looked the jurors in the eye and told them, I did not kill Jennifer Skipsy, did not burn the house.
00:34:28
And then he told them, emotions building to a fever pitch, how despite their rollercoaster relationship, he truly loved Jennifer.
00:34:37
His lawyer presented a love letter, in fact, that she'd written to him. And he broke down then, flood of tears.
00:34:45
I was so relieved and I thought, you know, if there was any way this jury thought this man was responsible for this,
00:34:52
now they know for sure that he's not. Because it's so obvious to me that he's telling the truth.
00:34:59
But listening to all of this with his experienced ear was Prosecutor Gillingham.
00:35:07
You must have been rather pleased when you heard he was going to testify. I think that's an understatement. I was very, very pleased.
00:35:14
More than that, it was a gift, said Gillingham, an unexpected opportunity. Why? Well, the prosecutor had Paul right where he wanted him for as long as he wanted him.
00:35:25
There were hours of questions, tough questions, baiting questions, questions designed to make Paul crack
00:35:30
and reveal what Gillingham believed to be a controlling personality and a red-hot temper.
00:35:36
My plan was to go through how he acted when he was angry, and then ask him questions that
00:35:43
he could have no good answers for. For instance, why all those text messages are deleted.
00:35:48
And those were questions he could not answer because he had not considered those questions After three long days in the hot seat Paul Zumat testimony was finally over Had he persuaded the jurors that he was innocent Do you feel he got a little bit chippy or arrogant
00:36:05
on the stand? I don't think that he got arrogant, but I think clearly he was tired and he was
00:36:09
exasperated. He wanted to tell his story. He was being cut off. But the jurors, once they got the
00:36:16
case said they were determined to look at the evidence, not just courtroom theater.
00:36:21
Everyone was very committed to going over the evidence and discussing each of the witnesses
00:36:26
and each of the crucial pieces of evidence. It was really encouraging. And it was crucial they decided to compare very carefully the different timelines claimed
00:36:37
by the prosecution and the defense. So we analyzed the timeline for the entire day,
00:36:42
from his testimony where he said he was, and then other pieces of testimony and evidence
00:36:47
to either validate or contradict. The jury took less than 14 hours and came back with a verdict.
00:36:56
Guilty. All I remember was I heard that word guilty, man. It was just like this relief, this release of tension.
00:37:05
I was very shocked by the verdict. I think a lot of people were shocked by the verdict
00:37:09
Because, I mean, if you sat through the weeks and weeks of trial, it just, it's inconceivable how they could get to the result that they got you.
00:37:19
But to the jurors, the issues about text messages and whether Paul had Jennifer's phone all afternoon wasn't as important as Zumod on the stand.
00:37:30
That's what made the difference. His tears, for example? Sometimes I feel like I'm too cynical, but it was universally held opinion, I think.
00:37:39
The entire jury believed that it was a manufactured moment. What was the problem with his testimony?
00:37:45
There were two things that struck me. One was when he broke down on the stand. And to me, it didn't seem genuine.
00:37:55
And the other portion of his testimony was when he had the opportunity to tell us where he was and what he was doing.
00:38:04
He chose to basically lie to us three times. and we were able to prove that he lied to us
00:38:11
by the hard evidence that we had with the phone records and with the video surveillance and those items.
00:38:17
And I just, to me, that hurt him very badly. If he hadn't testified, I can't say for sure,
00:38:25
but I don't think I could have convicted him. At his sentencing, an angry Paul Zumod again protested his innocence,
00:38:33
but he was sent away for 25 to life for murder, plus eight years for arson. Case closed?
00:38:42
Well, not exactly. In 2020, a federal judge granted Zumot a new trial, ruling that prosecutors had presented false evidence to the jury,
00:38:50
while Zumot's defense team provided ineffective counsel. At his retrial in 2025,
00:38:57
Paul Zumot had a new defense team and a different strategy. This time around, he did not take the witness stand.
00:39:04
but the jury came to the same conclusion as the first one did. He was found guilty again and sentenced to 30 years to life.
00:39:15
After the fire that set this mystery in motion, the Palo Alto cottage was repaired.
00:39:22
New love, perhaps, growing in there? Young people were still coming to the cafe to socialize and smoke hookah,
00:39:29
and Paul, gone. like the romance that burned too bright before it vanished with its victim
00:39:36
in a cloud of smoke. And I can still hear her voice and I don't see her smile. I know she's, I know she's here.

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Episode Highlights

  • Fire Destroys Cottage
    A fire engulfs a cottage on Addison Avenue, leading to a tragic discovery.
    “The house was occupied. Someone didn't get out.”
    @ 00m 36s
    March 31, 2026
  • Jennifer's Mysterious Death
    Jennifer Skipsy is found dead in the fire, raising suspicions about the circumstances.
    “It was his Jennifer, his daughter, who died in that fire.”
    @ 05m 20s
    March 31, 2026
  • Paul's Alibi Under Scrutiny
    Paul Zumot's whereabouts during the fire come into question as police investigate.
    “I came here and it was traffic and I got to the cafe.”
    @ 07m 24s
    March 31, 2026
  • Evidence of Arson
    Investigators find evidence suggesting the fire was intentionally set, not accidental.
    “It was so clear that it was an arson.”
    @ 12m 42s
    March 31, 2026
  • Paul Charged with Murder
    Paul Zumot is arrested and charged with the murder of Jennifer Skipsy.
    “They charge Paul Zumatz with arson and murder.”
    @ 16m 42s
    March 31, 2026
  • Paul Zumat's Testimony
    Paul Zumat testifies, declaring his innocence and expressing love for Jennifer, but faces tough questioning.
    “I did not kill Jennifer Skipsy, did not burn the house.”
    @ 34m 23s
    March 31, 2026
  • The Shocking Verdict
    The jury delivers a surprising guilty verdict after weeks of trial, leaving many in disbelief.
    “I was very shocked by the verdict.”
    @ 37m 07s
    March 31, 2026
  • Retrial and New Defense
    In 2020, Paul Zumot is granted a new trial due to false evidence and ineffective counsel.
    @ 38m 43s
    March 31, 2026

Episode Quotes

  • All of it, the excitement, the glamour, the promising future up in smoke.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue
  • But of course, it had to be Jennifer. And it probably wasn't an accident.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue
  • His silence, especially at the crime scene, was deafening.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue
  • I did not kill Jennifer Skipsy, did not burn the house.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue
  • I was very shocked by the verdict.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue
  • I mean, if you sat through the weeks and weeks of trial, it's inconceivable.
    Burning Suspicion on Addison Avenue

Key Moments

  • Paul's Birthday Party03:42
  • Jennifer's Death Confirmed08:32
  • Arson Evidence Found12:05
  • Paul's Arrest16:42
  • Jennifer Missing24:12
  • Paul's Silence25:26
  • Shock and Disbelief37:07
  • New Trial Granted38:43

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