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Don’t Let Me See You In The Whirl | Criminal Podcast

December 02, 2022 / 16:15

This episode features Anthony Sanders, owner of The Evening Whirl, a crime newspaper in St. Louis. Topics include the paper's unique writing style, its history, and its role in the community.

Anthony discusses how The Whirl's reporting differs from mainstream media by using direct language, often labeling suspects without the typical qualifiers like "accused" or "alleged." He believes this approach reflects the reality of crime in St. Louis.

The conversation touches on the paper's history, founded by Ben Thomas in 1938, and its evolution over the decades. Anthony highlights the importance of reporting every homicide, asserting that The Whirl has always covered crime stories involving all demographics.

Anthony also addresses criticisms that The Whirl exploits African Americans for profit, sharing his loyalty to the paper and its mission. The episode concludes with a look at the paper's archival significance in documenting aspects of St. Louis history.

Listeners learn about the challenges and triumphs of running a local newspaper in a changing media landscape, with Anthony's personal anecdotes illustrating the paper's impact on the community.

TLDR

Anthony Sanders discusses The Evening Whirl's unique crime reporting style and its historical significance in St. Louis.

Episode

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Anthony Sanders: I have always taken it as the  ultimate compliment when you getting someone
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from a daily or big weekly to tell you that  they wished that they could write the style
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that The Whirl does, by eliminating words like  accused, alleged, and just go to supposition,
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maybe he was supposed to have done it,  anyway. I take that as a real compliment.
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Phoebe Judge: The Evening Whirl is an  African-American owned crime newspaper in St. Louis. It's come out every week  for 78 years. This is Anthony Sanders,
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the owner. I flew to St. Louis to meet Anthony.  He suggested we meet at his favorite lunch place,
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Culpeppers. We talked about the city and how  newspapers are changing, but mostly we talked
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about how he thinks and writes about crime. And,  as he said, crime stories in The Whirl don't often
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include words like "accused" or "alleged." Anthony Sanders: And we call it Whirl-esque
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type of writing where we go right to  the nature of whatever the story is. [Music comes in.] It's almost a conviction
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before conviction. We say right away that  you the killer, let you prove that you're
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not. Let me be honest with you, if it's going to  bring some well respected persons into the story
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then we will use the word accused or alleged. Phoebe Judge: But most of the time it's just...
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Anthony Sanders: It's just straight.  Wanted killer, not alleged or accused killer, just wanted killer, ABC. Phoebe Judge: Right at the top of every edition of
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The Whirl it reads, "There is power in naming and  power in shaming." Not only does The Whirl want
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to embarrass people who break the law, they do it  in a rather playful way with lots of alliteration
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and puns and exclamation points, "Lunchroom  lady bopped in face. Bungling bandit bagged
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and booked," and, "Don't call me a slobber, I'm a  real bank robber." For Anthony, this wordplay is
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one of the greatest parts of working on a story. Anthony Sanders: As it starts to come together,
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it's like, I guess, a chef or say a cook,  maybe, more than a chef, a good old-fashioned
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pot of greens, if you will. As you know you  got the greens and the fat back or whatever,
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but it's the other little spices that you add  that's going to make those greens either memorable
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one way or the other. [Music fades out.] Phoebe Judge: Homicide detectives are called  H-men and even get nicknames. Charles "Knuckles"
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Johnson, Detective Jeff Stone is "Stone Heart,"  and Detective Tom Carroll is "Pac-Man" because he
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"gobbles up bad guys." And here's the thing. In  The Whirl, the police are always the good guys.
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Each week the paper gets information from  the police department, and sometimes the
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department gets information from the paper. Anthony Sanders: And I'll put this out there. I
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think the St. Louis Police Department as well  as St. Louis County Police Department does
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themselves a lot of harm when they have suspect  information, they crack crime — a homicide,
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and they don't share it, especially a photograph.  People just do not read words. They look at
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the words and read the pictures. Phoebe Judge: So, you think that they need to be putting out more information? Anthony Sanders: Yes. Mm-hmm. These guys monitor
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this newspaper. They read it. Their friends  read it. And anybody that may be associated
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with it reads it. [Music comes in.] Now, if you're going to solve a crime, you need to  put that on blast, as we would say, to let people
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know. Criminals are seeing other criminals they  know that have committed homicides on the street.
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It's just emboldening them  to do it themselves. Phoebe Judge: According to  FBI data from September,
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St. Louis now has the highest murder  rate per capita in the country. The murder rate has increased more than  60% since 2000, and Anthony says The
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Whirl reports on every single one. Anthony Sanders: There is no homicide that we do not report on. Phoebe Judge: No homicide
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doesn't make it into The Whirl? Anthony Sanders: That's right, and I'll say that emphatically because we have been accused of  not printing certain murders, and especially those
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involving Caucasians. I think it's ludicrous,  but people think that that happens. It doesn't.
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Phoebe Judge: In an era of real-time fact  checking, when journalists are terrified
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of wrongly assigning blame, not to mention being  sued, Anthony Sanders just doesn't care. This is
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how The Whirl has always done it. As they say, "If  that's too much for you, pick up The Times and
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read the theater reviews." But The Evening Whirl  has always been criticized, sometimes extremely,
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all the way back to its very first editions in  1938. Anthony's predecessor, the paper's founder,
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was a man named Ben Thomas, and when he  was criticized, he famously replied, "The
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Whirl has preached purity and condemned crime.  Those who don't like it can kiss our behind."
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The very first editions of The Whirl  covered nightlife and celebrity gossip in St. Louis's Black community. This was  during the Jim Crow era, when the daily
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newspapers wouldn't hire Black reporters  and rarely covered Black neighborhoods.
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[Music ends.] Most mainstream papers in America wouldn't even run African Americans' obituaries. And one day Ben  Thomas came across a scoop he couldn't turn down.
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There was a rumor that a couple of high  school teachers had been molesting their
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students. Nobody was reporting on it. Ben got  ahold of the police records and ran the story.
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He had to reprint that edition three times, and  The Whirl has been a crime newspaper ever since.
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[Music comes in.] I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal. In the Ben Thomas era, the writing was even more  playful. A lot of crimes were written up as jokey
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little poems. For example, about a man on his way  to prison for selling heroin: "I will sit and lick
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my toes and blow snot from my nose. Where I'll end  up in life, only God knows." I asked Anthony where
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the name 'Evening Whirl' comes from. He said he  didn't know. He thinks of 'Whirl' as in kicking
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up dust, which is certainly appropriate. But then when we were researching the story,
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we came across the phrase in a Mark Twain  novel. The novel is called The Gilded Age,
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and the line reads, "Both chatted away in high  spirits and made the evening whirl along in the
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most mirthful manner." Missouri was Mark  Twain's boyhood home, and given what we
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know about Ben Thomas' literary interest,  maybe this is how the paper got its name.
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Ben Thomas retired in 1995, and Anthony Sanders,  who'd been helping out since he was 18 years old,
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took it over. [Music fades out.] Anthony says he can't write poems like Ben, but he  still brings plenty of his own personality to the
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reporting, once writing that a murder victim was  "in a flying casket to hell." And since Anthony
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took over, he's increased the paper's readership  from 4,000 to almost 55,000. The paper has
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done so well that he's even hired a reporter. Anthony Sanders: Well, it had to take its lumps,
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but perseverance overruled. What happened  is that we had to do some of the things
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that we know that will help strengthen the  paper. We started picking up some of the
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internet lingo and incorporating that into  it. That helped a little bit, because we were
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told that we were going to go the way of the  dodo. But nevertheless, I mean, here we are.
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Phoebe Judge: Do you have a favorite issue? Anthony Sanders: No, I haven't done it yet.
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Phoebe Judge: It just hasn't happened...? Anthony Sanders: I'm never, ever satisfied
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with what happens after it's printed. Sundays,  I could be on cloud nine, but by Monday morning,
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I'm getting ready for the next one. Phoebe Judge: Anthony lays out each edition
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of the paper in his house, working through the  night on Sundays to get it to the printer on
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time. Then on Monday mornings, he picks them up  and personally delivers the papers to stores.
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He took me along on the route. His first stop is  always a BP at the corner of Jefferson and Clark
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Avenues. The woman behind the counter said she  remembers reading The Whirl when she was a kid,
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back when it was 50 cents. Now it's $1.50. Cashier: Well, it's a popular paper. We have...
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What shall I say, residential criminals? I don't know. Phoebe Judge: Do you have
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people who come in and ask for it? Cashier: Yeah. All the time. I mean, it sells just as much as The Post. Yeah.  It gives us the daily news constant,
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what's going on in the neighborhood, the area,  who did the most stupidest stuff for the week.
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Phoebe Judge: Do you ever have anyone who's  come in and says to you, "Wait, do you have
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The Evening Whirl yet? Is it here yet?" Cashier: Yeah, "I might be in the paper."
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Yeah. I've had people sign  the paper, their signatures because their picture's on there. Yeah. Phoebe Judge: So, they come in here to say,
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"Oh, boy. Did I make it?" Cashier: Yeah, they do. I mean, we get quite a few people that come in and  want to know if they made the week news.
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Phoebe Judge: This is one of  the many contradictions about the paper. It's openly pro-police, a  self-described crime-fighting newspaper,
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and yet the men and women written up in the pages  of The Whirl often see it as a badge of honor.
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Anthony Sanders: And what we have found  is that they — perpetrators will have these papers. I mean, I've had that told  to me so many times in criminal cases,
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where a lot of times it's been someone police had  been actively looking at for years and they have
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been committing crimes continuously. And they know  who they are, but they just trying to get enough
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information to get warrants issued. You know  what I mean? When they do, they go in the house,
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and there's Whirls all over the place, but  they've been chronologicalizing their escapades.
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[Music comes in.] Phoebe Judge: One of the most persistent criticisms of  The Evening Whirl is that it's a Black-owned
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newspaper that exploits African Americans in order  to sell copies. The St. Louis chapter of the NAACP
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attempted a boycott of the paper in the mid-'80s.  James DeClue, the president of the chapter,
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called The Whirl "the dirtiest, lousiest evidence  of lies about a people I've ever seen." I asked
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Anthony what he thinks about this criticism. Anthony Sanders: I have had a lot of,
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I guess you'd say, talks with myself about this,  and it's a question that I always ask myself.
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Would I be a reader of The Whirl? I happen to be  knowing the paper, but I've been a part of it for
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so long, I guess, it's like, "Duh, you've been  with the paper almost 60 years or 50 years and
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you only 68 years old. So how much of a choice did  you have?" But once again, I stand on it, and I've
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said that several times to several of our people  that always question that. But I'm very, very
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loyal to it, and I'm very passionate about it. Phoebe Judge: Whether or not you agree with
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Anthony, The Evening Whirl is a piece of history.  It's being preserved at Washington University's
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library in St. Louis. That was our last stop  for the day. The librarian who greeted us says
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students come in every week to study the paper  and its representations of race, drugs, and guns.
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And right now, there's a campus project  called "Mapping LGBTQ St. Louis." In spite of the salacious and often offensive  writing, some of the only surviving historical
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documentation of gay African Americans  in St. Louis is in The Whirl. This says, "Lesbian mob queen faces the music." Anthony Sanders: Where you see that? Oh,
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up there? Phoebe Judge: Can you just... "Lesbian mob queen faces music." [Music fades out.]
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Anthony Sanders: It says, "The entire city wanted  to look at the woman who smashed last week's
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Whirl headline story. She so magnificently  conducted her stable of women in the Stroll
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and the successful robber of a couple who was  passing through the Stroll area and thought
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the girls were in trouble and stopped. But to  their sorrow, Diane, 26, taught her protegees
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to hold onto their money when investigated  by police by inserting it in their vaginas.
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And that is what they did." [Music comes in.] Phoebe Judge: Oh, my gosh. Anthony Sanders: Yeah.
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Phoebe Judge: The Whirl has never  pretended to be something that it's not. In an edition from 1978, Ben Thomas wrote, "The  city wonders who it will be. Just take it easy.
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You will see. Guns will roar and rip like hell,  and how The Evening Whirl will sell." Anthony
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says that somewhere over the past 78 years, The  Whirl has become shorthand, a way of saying,
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"Be good." So, when friends say goodbye they'll  joke, "Don't let me see you in The Whirl."
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Episode Highlights

  • The Whirl's Unique Style
    The Evening Whirl avoids words like 'accused' and 'alleged', going straight to the point.
    “We call it Whirl-esque type of writing.”
    @ 00m 57s
    December 02, 2022
  • A History of Controversy
    The Evening Whirl has faced criticism for its portrayal of crime and race since its inception.
    “Those who don't like it can kiss our behind.”
    @ 05m 08s
    December 02, 2022
  • From 4,000 to 55,000 Readers
    Under Anthony Sanders, The Whirl's readership has skyrocketed, adapting to modern times.
    “Perseverance overruled.”
    @ 07m 46s
    December 02, 2022

Episode Quotes

  • There is power in naming and power in shaming.
    Don’t Let Me See You In The Whirl | Criminal Podcast
  • If that's too much for you, pick up The Times.
    Don’t Let Me See You In The Whirl | Criminal Podcast
  • The city wonders who it will be. Just take it easy.
    Don’t Let Me See You In The Whirl | Criminal Podcast

Key Moments

  • Whirl-esque Writing00:57
  • Pro-Police Stance10:09
  • Historical Significance12:13

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