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December 16, 2022 / 23:06

This episode covers the Tennessee Walking Horse, the controversial practice of soaring, and the story of Marty Irby, who became an advocate against animal cruelty in horse training.

The episode begins with the history of a horse named Carbon Copy, who won the stallion class in 1964. George Lee Lennox, who purchased Carbon Copy, was later murdered, allegedly due to conflicts with the Tennessee Walking Horse tradition.

Mary Helen Montgomery discusses the ongoing issues surrounding the Tennessee Walking Horse community, particularly the practice of soaring, which involves inflicting pain on horses to enhance their performance. The episode features insights from Marty Irby, who grew up in this environment and initially participated in soaring.

Marty shares his experiences with the Big Lick and the emotional turmoil he faced as he began to question the ethics of soaring. He eventually took a stand against it, leading to personal and professional fallout, including a divorce.

The episode concludes with Marty's current work for the Humane Society, advocating for the end of soaring and promoting animal welfare in horse training.

TLDR

Marty Irby confronts the cruel practice of soaring in Tennessee Walking Horses, leading to personal sacrifices and advocacy for animal welfare.

Episode

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foreign there once was a horse a Black Stallion named carbon copy carbon copy was a perfect model of the
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Tennessee Walking Horse he knew voice commands and would respond to a whistle so people say he could take himself
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around a ring to show off without anyone on his back carbon copy was the winner of the
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stallion class of 1964. defeating 44 other top stallions he continued to beat every other horse
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around and became the world champion that same year George Lee Lennox of Memphis Tennessee purchased carbon copy
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and then George Lee Lennox was found dead they found his body slumped over in his
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gold Cadillac the car was full of blood he'd been shot in the head two times a man came forward and confessed that
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he'd been paid fifteen thousand dollars to kill George Lee Lennox along with two
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accomplices the shooters identified themselves as members of the so-called Dixie Mafia and
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it was widely speculated that the reason the Dixie Mafia wanted George Lee Lennox
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dead was because George Lee Lennox had a problem with Tennessee Walking Horse tradition
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almost 50 years later there are still those that have trouble with the way Tennessee walking horses are shown and
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in particular one practice everyone denies today contributor Mary Helen Montgomery
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tells us about an Open Secret that's torn families apart and sent people into hiding I'm Phoebe judge this is Criminal
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[Music] Shelbyville Tennessee is known as The Walking Horse capital of the world the
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Tennessee Walking Horse is so Central to the town's identity that there's a picture of one on the city seal on my
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way into town I saw a stop sign that said whoa instead of stop as in the way you tell a horse to stop when you're
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riding each summer the week before Labor Day there's a big competition just for Tennessee walking horses it's called the
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Tennessee Walking Horse national celebration or just the celebration they've been doing it since 1939. it's
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such a big event that all the schools in the county are canceled for the whole week so everyone can get ready for the
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show I went to the Celebration with a woman who asked us not to use her name or to
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record her voice because she's worried about her safety she's been in this world for a long time
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and says not everyone gets along as well as they used to she parked her car close to the arena
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under a light because she says she's been followed at horse shows before she thought my microphone would draw too
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much attention so I just brought a small recorder in the celebration is not just a single
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event it's an 11 day experience Tennessee Walking Horse owners arrived from all over the country and camp in
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their trailers now I met one woman who had been coming since the first celebration in 1939. her
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family doesn't even know much about horses they just love to be here for a lot of kids who grew up in this
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part of the country the celebration was as good as Christmas my entire life is revolved around horses
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and specifically Tennessee walking horses ice my family put me on the horse in the saddle with double-sided tape on
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the saddle rubber bands around the stirrups and loop rain so that was basically stuck there this is Marty Irby
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his dad is a Tennessee Walking Horse trainer so he's been going to the Celebration his whole life it's one of
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my earliest memories probably the most vivid memory for my childhood I would have just turned five years old in 1984
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standing in the middle of the Arena of the Tennessee Walking Horse national celebration I remember standing there
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and looking around at the stadium of 30 000 people or whatever the number was somewhere about like that then and just
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thinking that how amazing that was and that that's what I wanted I wanted to win that I wanted to be that person from
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I guess sort of seeing that stardom aspect of it as a at an early age but the real stars of the celebration aren't
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the writers they're the horses all those people descend on Shelbyville every year to see something only the
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Tennessee Walking Horse does it's called The Big Lick if you've never seen the Big Lick you've
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never seen a horse walk anything like this their whole bodies are at an angle with
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their hind legs squatted toward the ground and their front legs bounding forward in huge arcs their Hooves almost
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touching their heads it's almost like watching a cartoon horse prance Marty spent his childhood helping his
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dad take care of big lit horses in the Stables talking to them loving them his favorites were named carbon princess
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Mark's nut and honey Pride's ringleader another horse named High tones clown so I could go and there were there were
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many of them and they were they were your best friends yeah they were they really were he grew up in South Alabama
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and describes his childhood as a normal Mom and Dad happy family thing uh then sort of out of the blue uh one day my
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father actually left us you have to picture 1985 in South Alabama and he left our family for another man the kids
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at school found out and started bullying Marty um used to like have to run from school
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when I left so the kids wouldn't beat me up because of my dad and that sort of thing so I knew I like lived every day
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to go to the barn in the afternoon to sort of get away from everything else and talk to the horses and I guess I
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just sort of felt like they understood me the barn was also the only place that Marty would get spend time with his
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father and then one day his dad showed him how trainers got their horses to do the Big
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Lick trainers always attach big heavy shoes to encourage the horse to lift its legs
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High but there's a technique trainers use behind the scenes to get horses to exaggerate their gate even more it's
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called soaring soaring is when a trainer puts caustic substances like mustard oil kerosene or
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Croton oil onto the horse's front ankles and feet they wrap them in plastic and let the chemicals bake into the skin the
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horse's flesh Burns until it's extremely sensitive then the trainer puts a chain around
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each front ankle like a bracelet each time the chain hits the sore leg the horse throws their leg in the air in
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sort of a way to get away from the pain so it'd be like if you were walking over
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hot coals and stepping really high or something like that or you were walking across think of it as walking across
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black hot asphalt barefooted you would want to like run really quick or separately high and you wouldn't want to
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just put your foot on the ground so that's what each of these things achieves and the more that they seem to
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add to it the higher that they step Marty's dad taught him how to soar on high tones clown one of Marty's favorite
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horses yeah I remember the horse so he had white feet which is really interesting because white footed horses
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tend to show irritation much more they have red skin or pink skin underneath and so you could use kerosene and Gojo
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Gojo is that gritty industrial hand cleaner why the kerosene and Gojo like you put kerosene on first and then Gojo
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or um no different things at different time it would it's a degree of soaring so kerosene would cause a horse to be
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more sore than the Gojo so um I guess they have this method of uh they call it reminding the horse they're
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sort of waking them up so the kerosene is stronger so in like the first of the week you would put the kerosene on the
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horse's foot and as the week progressed you would you know sort of dial it down to putting Gojo which is uh less of an
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irritant still an irritant you'd want to dial it down because before each show horses are checked for signs of soaring
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the way athletes have to pass drug tests sometimes the inspections are performed
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by the USDA sometimes by private contractors an inspector will touch a horse's legs with pressure to see if it
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jerks or winces in pain trainers have been known to teach a sword horse to pass inspection by
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beating it if it flinches over time the horse learns not to react to pain and the Tennessee Walking Horse which is
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known for its docile personality takes it if you're caught soaring you can be fined thousands of dollars and even go
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to prison soaring's been illegal since 1970 when Congress passed the horse protection act the horse protection act
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says two things that soaring is cruel and inhumane and also that it's just not fair
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when it comes to the Big Lick a sword horse has the advantage he was always worried about the horse's
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white feet going into inspection in the pink skin and so he taught me how to use
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Desitin which is uh I don't know if they still have that it's like a diaper rash
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a cream a white cream and so after the horse had been soared and gone all this then you'd have to put the Desitin on
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the horse's feet to take away the pink and the redness and to make him be able to pass through inspection
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Marty would apologize to the horses petting them and telling them it was just the way it had to be he was 13
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years old sometimes you hurt the people you love most in my case it just happened to be horses not people do you
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think any part of it like had to do with your relationship with your father of how he was kind of
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gone and then it was back and that was something you could do to make him proud yeah I would
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definitely say so you know anyone probably seeks their father's approval but um you know he had sort of Left for
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a while and read in the picture so that was the only time that I spent with my father was actually soaring horses and
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riding sword horses by the time he was in his early 20s Marty was competing and he says doing
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really well he had a horse named FDR he thought was good enough to win a world championship
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so he sent FDR to Tennessee for training the thing to do if you're serious about
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winning in Tennessee the trainers used soaring methods that Marty had never seen in his
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dad's Barn I really didn't know to what degree they really do saw horses that went into that experience
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the trainer in Tennessee put Croton oil on FDR an oil that's actually used on lab animals to study pain
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other trainers would do a thing called pressure shoeing where they put half a golf ball or hardened putty between a
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horse's foot and shoe to make it hurt when the horse put its foot down the Croton oil worked Marty and FDR won the
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World Championship at the celebration in 2003. that's not quite a world grand championship the very top prize of the
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celebration but it's close at this point Marty had moved to Tennessee and fully immersed himself in
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the Walking Horse World he didn't exclusively ride Big Lick horses he also rode flat shot horses walking horses
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without the big shoes and chains that hadn't been soared and at the 2006 celebration Marty won his division on a
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flat shot horse 2006 is actually a year that the Walking Horse Community doesn't like to talk
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about for the first time in the 68 years of the celebration the final and biggest
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event was canceled because almost every horse was disqualified after investigators found signs of abuse
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a crowd assembled and demanded that the disqualified horses be allowed to show the police were called The New York
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Times describes an angry standoff between investigators and trainers trainers complained that the inspection
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process was subjective and quote suffocating a long-standing tradition this didn't stop the Big Lick the next
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year was back to business as usual Marty kept winning a lot of big titles and by
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2011 he was the president of the main Organization for the Tennessee walking horses the Tennessee Walking Horse
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breeders and exhibitors Association this is Ashley Foreman she remembers the day she met Marty we
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were at a horse barn and he had a padded horse in training you know I was just standing on the side and he just comes
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up and starts talking and you know I was like oh he's very interesting well 19 days
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later we get married in Panama City we we had Big Dreams you know we were gonna open a barn together and
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we we shared everything together um the love for The Walking Horses The the passion the drugs the the it
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basically all revolved around the Tennessee Walking Horse he even bought her two horses a Big Lick horse and a
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flat shot horse you know when he and I got married my mom was like you know you finally found what you were searching
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for you found a guy who loves the walking horses as much as you do and I said I know like this is perfect and the
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smile on his face you know it said it all like it was perfect and then it just it it got crazy
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Ashley didn't know it but Marty had been secretly sharing information about soaring with investigators at the USDA
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and the Humane Society for years he was having a crisis of conscience the Big Lick this thing he'd been part of
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since he was a kid was getting a lot of bad press and now there's proof of what some
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trainers are doing behind the scenes in Tennessee's beautiful horse country down
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this Gravel Road caught on tape in this Barn an undercover video was released on
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Nightline showing a man hitting a horse with a baton the horse is tied up and you can hear the clanking of its
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restraints as it leaps up the report goes on to show trainers in the barn putting chemicals and chains on a
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horse's legs the horses on the video appear to be in such great pain they often refuse to get up and are whipped
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by the stable hands in other scenes McConnell and his stable hands use sticks and cattle prods in what the
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humane society says is stewardy teaching the horse to stay still when inspectors
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test for sensitivity to pants I actually happen to be when it came out in Winding
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Germany judging a Walking Horse Show where all of the horses they don't allow any of this and they don't even clip the
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horse's whiskers in Germany they would never allow Stacks or chains on their feet soaring or anything like that so I
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sort of saw the world's reaction while being in a foreign country and you know my cell phone was going crazy and you
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know I didn't even know this expose was coming out had no clue it was they didn't tell me or anything when that
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video came out with the McConnell it's it's not right that's nowhere near what how a big like training Barn should be
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Ashley found the Nightline video horrible but she says it's not at all representative of the Big Lick she loves
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would be gone if people still soared because all of all of the things that get and into a show I mean get
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flawed get checked it's a hard process I honestly think that if it still went on that people there would be more
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people in trouble than what there is she says there are lots of ways to train for
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the Big Lick that don't involve soaring and that she would never do anything to hurt her horses they're like my kids
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place my animal s you know if their heart I'm hurt if they're sick I'm sick you know it's
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something that you don't want your animal to go through in April of 2013 the same month Marty
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and Ashley got married a new piece of legislation was introduced in Congress the prevent all soaring tactics act or
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past act for short it would increase penalties and oversight and also expand the horse
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protection act tackling not just soaring but making it illegal to exhibit a horse
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if any device or material had been used to quote artificially alter a horse's gate in all likelihood the past act if
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it got through would end the Big Lick forever and Marty decided it was time to take a
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public stand and support it the thing that I had to get to I would have probably done all this sooner when I was
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president but I knew that the day that it happened that my world was going to collapse I knew that my business was
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going under I knew that my family I knew how they would react I didn't know to the degree they would react the Walking
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Horse Association needed to vote whether to support the past act the association's support would be symbolic
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and it would send a loud message even though so much was at stake Marty stood up before the board and explained
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why he had changed his mind it was almost like the weight of the world was off my shoulders at all this years of
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sort of baggage and secrecy and all these things that have to do with soaring and I mean they're just certain
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times in life when they're a defining moment and that was a defining moment in my life Marty's father stopped speaking
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to him and Ashley felt betrayed by the way he'd voted it it was it was insane I did try for a little bit to be
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supportive but at the end of the day you know big licks are what I love and we were basically against each other no one
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would do business with me anymore you know my business partners were extremely mad at me you know I basically said you
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know it's either your marriage and me or you know support the horses like we always have or you're somebody that I
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don't know and and that's why we got divorced [Music] having little left to lose that summer
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Marty agreed to do an interview with The Tennessean Nashville's Daily newspaper he talked about why soaring needed to
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end the story came out on the front page above the fold now people knew far and wide where he stood he started getting
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letters of support from all over the country but he also started getting threats people would call him on block
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numbers threatening to attack him saying things like they wanted to string him up
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for not keeping his mouth shut he felt unsafe at home and went to hide out at a friend's house
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she uh hid me out for about six weeks I guess you would say she lives in a place
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that's about like Fort Knox she'd been an anti-soaring advocate for like 30 years she was one of the main leaders of
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the anti-soaring movement The Hideout was a huge solid brick house surrounded by water on one side and a giant iron
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fence on the other the woman helping him had stocked plenty of guns and ammunition just in case they
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needed to defend themselves while he was holed up he reached out to the congressman who wrote the past act
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Ed Whitfield a republican from Kentucky Whitfield asked Marty to come testify at
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a congressional Hearing in D.C and Marty agreed after he testified he got even more
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death threats from people back in Tennessee people he'd grown up with I at this point have lost everything family
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money had to file bankruptcy lost my business pretty much just had you know two nickels to rub together and we were
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welcomed by the congressman during that time to come stay at his house and stayed at his home in Washington DC and
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during that time a job came open from the congressman in his office so he said well you're here
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you don't have anything you've had all these death threats as a result of testifying all this stuff he said why
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don't you just stay here Marty took that job with Congressman Whitfield working with farmers and agricultural groups
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today Marty works for the Humane Society in Washington D.C he works in equine protection trying to
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stop the soaring of walking horses and doping in racehorses the past act still hasn't become a law
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but Marty says he's working on it after so many conversations about the Big Lick I was so curious to see it for
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myself at the celebration when I called ahead to see if it would be difficult for me to get a ticket the
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woman in the box office laughed at me the arena seats 30 000 people but when I went there were probably just a couple
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thousand people in the stands my guide the woman who asked to be anonymous explain what we were looking
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at I felt like we were undercover watching over our shoulders and talking and muffled voices
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some of their butts are kind of swaying back and forth and some of them look like their legs are just going in every
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direction [Music] I'm with says that you can tell which one's going to win if it looks the most uncomfortable and
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unnatural and if it looks like it's working the hardest she told me that the horses that'll
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score the highest are the ones with the most exaggerated oversized steps this year's winner the world grand
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champion was a horse named Jen's black Maverick his trainer was Bill Calloway I was born into it Callaway told a local
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paper I was born and raised in the horse business just after he won some news came out
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documents show trainer Bill Calloway violated the federal horse protection act hours after winning the championship
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Saturday the USDA suspended Callaway for eight months and fined him Callaway was actually caught soaring his
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horses months before the celebration but for some reason he was allowed to compete anyway
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his suspension didn't begin until after he'd won the championship he will be able to compete again next
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Episode Highlights

  • The Rise of Carbon Copy
    Carbon Copy, a Tennessee Walking Horse, became a world champion in 1964, defeating 44 other top stallions.
    “Carbon Copy was a perfect model of the Tennessee Walking Horse.”
    @ 00m 09s
    December 16, 2022
  • The Dark Side of Tradition
    Marty Irby reveals the cruel practice of soaring in the Tennessee Walking Horse community.
    “Sometimes you hurt the people you love most in my case it just happened to be horses.”
    @ 09m 28s
    December 16, 2022
  • A Defining Moment
    Marty takes a stand against soaring, risking his career and relationships.
    “It was almost like the weight of the world was off my shoulders.”
    @ 17m 06s
    December 16, 2022
  • The Champion's Controversy
    Trainer Bill Callaway won the championship but faced suspension for violating regulations.
    “His suspension didn't begin until after he'd won the championship.”
    @ 21m 47s
    December 16, 2022

Episode Quotes

  • Sometimes you hurt the people you love most.
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  • It was almost like the weight of the world was off my shoulders.
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  • I felt like we were undercover.
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  • If it looks the most uncomfortable and unnatural, it's working the hardest.
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  • I was born into it.
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  • His suspension didn't begin until after he'd won the championship.
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Key Moments

  • Tradition and Turmoil01:27
  • The Big Lick04:42
  • Crisis of Conscience13:21
  • Defining Moment17:06
  • Life Changes19:15
  • Undercover Vibes20:26
  • Horse Business Roots21:13
  • Controversial Win21:47

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