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Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And you guys, there is a case out of Louisville,
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Kentucky that I bet you've never heard of about a woman that you've probably never heard of. But I don't know why
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[music] because it's one of the most mysterious cases I've come across. A call in the middle of the night lures a
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woman out of her home and hours later, her body is found floating in a nearby river. The list of suspects is a mile
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long, and evidence keeps showing up all over town, sometimes in suspiciously planted ways. Yet, for 60 years, this
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case has remained unsolved. Our investigation set out to ask the question, why? And the possibilities
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will surprise you. Maybe it's because evidence in the case mysteriously disappeared. It could be because some
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investigators on the case had ulterior motives. Or it could be because the very foundation that this story was built on
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might be a lie. This is the story of a woman you should know about. A passionate attorney who made strides at
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the height of the civil rights movement. A woman who was brutally murdered before
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she could break even more barriers. This is the story of Alberta O. Jones. Alberta Jones didn't want to go out that
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Wednesday night on August 4th, 1965. The truth is, things had gotten dangerous for her recently. She'd taken a new job
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and she'd been doing civil rights work that put a target on her back. So, she was being more cautious than she had
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ever been before. That's why when her friend Glattis Woff [music] first called at around 11 p.m. and asked her to come
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over, Alberta said no. But Glattis pushed. She was a hair stylist, too. And she practically begged Alberta to come
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over that night because the new wig that Alberta wanted was ready for her. >> Okay, so get it any other time.
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>> Well, and maybe the real reason it had to be right then was that she wanted to
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chat about some legal trouble that she was in. Cuz you see, Alberta is a lawyer. That new job that she had just
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gotten was as a prosecutor. Oh, so good friend to have >> free legal advice, right? So, this is
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when Glattis laid it on really thick, like gave her a bit of a guilt trip. She's telling Alberta like, "Oh, well,
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you've gotten snobby since getting that new job." And that must have done it because Alberta was at Glattis's house
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by 11:30 p.m. Now, according to Glattis, they hang out at her salon that's in her
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house until about 12:15 when they decide to go grab a bite to eat at this local seafood restaurant called Kingfish. And
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then on the way back to Glattis's, they pick up the local newspaper, the Louisville Defender, because there was
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this article in it that like one of Glattis' employees was featured in. She was calling out racist double standards
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in the hair styling industry. So once they got back, Glattis [music] trimmed Alberta's wig, fitted it on her before
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Alberta left between 1:30 and 2:00 a.m. And Glattis said that she watched Alberta get into her car, and then
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[music] Glattis herself went back inside to go to bed. Now, it wasn't until the next morning that Alberta's sister Flora
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and her mom Satie realized that she hadn't made it home the night before. Like, they all lived together. And Flora
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and Satie knew something was wrong pretty quickly. Like, they knew about Alberta's fears. Knew that she went out
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last night anyway. And if she was going to stay out, she would have called. So, they phoned Glattis's house looking for
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Alberta. But Glattis's daughter answered and told them that Alberta wasn't there.
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By the way, her car wasn't out front. And even when she looked down the street to the parking lot of Alberta's law
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office, she didn't see her car there either. Now, what her family didn't know was that [music] by the time they were
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making these calls, and by the time they were even beginning to worry, it was already too late. That same morning, a
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group of boys walking along the Ohio River south of the Sherman Mitten Bridge had found Alberta floating face [music]
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down 15 ft from the shore. A coroner later found lacerations on her head and her face and scrapes on her right arm
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and leg. But the trauma is not what killed her. They determined [music] that after being beaten, Alberta was put into
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the river alive and she actually died of drowning sometime. They say [music] between 2:30 in the morning and 4:30 in
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the morning. >> So, pretty shortly after Glattus saw her leave. >> Yes. Now, when she was found, she was
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still in the striped dress that she wore out that night, but her shoes and her purse were [music] missing along with
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the dentures that she regularly wore. And most glaringly of all, her [music] car is still nowhere to be found. But
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over the next few days, missing items and [music] clues begin to surface that painted a picture of Alberta's final
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hours. First were her shoes. Now, the police didn't get a call about the shoes until Friday. That's the day after
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Alberta was pulled from the river. But it turns out they had actually been found an hour before Alberta's body was.
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A man who worked at a golf course located just under the Sherman Mitten Bridge on the bank of the Ohio River
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said that he found them kind of like scattered about maybe like 10 ft apart just a few feet from the exit ramp
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coming off the bridge. And police thought that it looked like maybe the shoes could have been tossed from the
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bridge itself. Now luckily this guy at the course kept them like he did with anything valuable that he found. So he
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was able to turn them over to police. But there wasn't much notable about them. No like [music] blood or anything
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like that. >> And how far were the shoes from where her body was found? >> Not a huge distance. So like from this
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handdrawn map in the case file, it looks like maybe her body was found about a city block down river, which is
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interesting because [music] it was theorized early on that maybe Alberta was thrown from the bridge into the
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water. So maybe her and her shoes were like tossed over at the same time and like she landed in the water. Maybe her
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shoes didn't. But if she's in the water, she gets carried downstream. [music] And the Ohio River here separates
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Indiana from Kentucky. And like I'm sure you know this, but for people who don't,
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the bridge actually has two levels. So the top level goes from Kentucky to Indiana, and the bottom level is from
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Indiana to Kentucky. So the exit ramp where her shoes were found, that is the ramp if you were coming into Kentucky,
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>> from Indiana, >> right? Alberta went missing from Louisville, Kentucky, right? So if those
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were thrown from the bridge or from a moving vehicle, it was somebody who left and then [music] came back into that
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state. Now, it's possible that someone went onto the bridge from Kentucky to Indiana. Maybe they dumped Alberta over
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on that side. she would have floated down river all the same as even if she was thrown from the other side and then
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maybe as they're driving back they realize like oh my gosh we her we still have her shoes like let's get rid of
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them >> but I think that's unlikely because of two critical points number one authorities consulted someone on the
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current of the river and they said that if Alberto would have gone in whatever side of the bridge they would have
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expected her to end up on [music] the Indiana side of the river she was found on the Kentucky side, meaning someone
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had to have put her in the water, likely from the shore on the Kentucky side. So,
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number two is even more bothersome. Who had her shoes and why were they on the off-ramp like going into Kentucky from
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Indiana? Like, forget the directions for just a second and let's just like focus
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on the shoes themselves. [music] To me, getting rid of them implies that there was a reason you didn't want to
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leave them in the car. >> If this was her car that they were in, like that doesn't make a whole lot of
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sense based on what police end up finding in her car when that surfaces a day [music] later. So, that happens on
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Friday, August 6th. This turned out to be a [snorts] huge curveball because everyone had been looking for Alberta's
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car. It was this distinctive pink [music] Thunderbird. Oh, >> hard to miss. >> Yeah.
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>> Turns out though, Alberta wasn't driving her own car that night. She was in a
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rental. Her Thunderbird was in the shop. So that very evening of the 4th. This is
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the day that she would eventually go to Glattises that night. That very night she picked up a white Ford Fairlane. So
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she would have driven that to Glattis. Why didn't Glattis tell anyone? Like she would have seen it when she left, right?
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We don't know for sure if Glattis did or [music] didn't say anything. Like from like I'm piecing this together from old
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reports. It seems like the first time everyone realizes that she's in this rental is the day that her body is
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found. [music] But if Glattis didn't say anything, I mean honestly, it could have just been
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because she assumed the family already knew. Like she drove from her house to Glattis. So like
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>> I don't know. Anyways, once they knew it was a white Ford that they were looking
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for, police jumped on a report of a similar abandoned car that came in that Friday [music] night. And it was
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Alberta's All right. Parked on a residential street just a little over 2 miles from where she was found. And what
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was inside let Alberta's [music] final moments were brutal. There were blood spots all over
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the car, but clearly Alberta was in the back when she was bleeding because there
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was blood over more than half of the back seat. Now, police found her upper dentures on the back seat floorboard
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along with a ripped piece of the newspaper that she had picked up that morning with [music] Glattus. It looked
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like the killer had actually like wiped their bloody hands on it. There were also small pieces of red brick [music]
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back there, some with blood on it. And there were fingerprints all over the car, inside and out, along with pieces
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of short and long hair that were inside, too. >> I mean, this feels like a gold mine of
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evidence. Exactly. [music] Which is why it is so puzzling to me that someone would take the [music] time
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to ditch her shoes. She was clearly in the car. Leave them in the car >> like you did her upper dentures. I don't
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know what it means, but it stands out to [music] me. >> And her purse was still missing.
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>> Yeah, her purse wasn't anywhere in the car. And her lower denture plate is still missing, too, though. I mean, like
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that could have been like knocked out somewhere along the way or maybe even at the bottom of the river for all they
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know at that point. >> Shoes or no shoes, with what is in the car alone, that could solve a case
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>> if it were present day. But in the mid60s, all police could do was hone in on those fingerprints and the hair
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samples and compare them to people who pop up in the investigation. And most of their investigation was pointing to the
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idea of some kind of robbery [music] gone wrong, right? >> Yeah. But where would the robbers have
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crossed paths with her? Like Lattis saw her get into her car to go home. >> Yes. But it turns out that she didn't
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head straight home. >> [music] >> She made at least one stop at a convenience store a few blocks from
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Glattis's house. Apparently, she was a regular there. And according to her sister, Flora, who we spoke to for this
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episode, Alberta stopped there that night for a soda. And an employee said that he saw her talking to three
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teenagers. Now, he said nothing looked threatening, so he didn't think much of it. It's not like he's like focusing. He
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goes back to whatever he was doing before. But then when he looks up again, Alberta and the teens [music] are gone.
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And were they in a car or on foot? >> They're on the teens are on foot. >> Okay.
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>> Now, those teenagers [music] have never been identified. And if the account is accurate, it might not even
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be relevant, right? But if Alberto wasn't grabbed outside of Glattises or outside of her own home, then to me,
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this has to be the point at which someone [music] made contact with her. And putting these together with what we
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know about where her car was found and other tips that come in, this theory, at least to me, makes a lot of sense.
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Because when you look at a map, there is almost this like [music] trail leading west from Glattis's house to the spot in
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the river where Alberta is ultimately found. Like one street over from Glattis's place is the convenience store
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that she stops at sometime around 2:00 a.m. Another street over from that, police get a concerning call from a
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couple who said they've been woken up to screams at around like 2 or 2:15 in the
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morning. They say when they went to their front door to see what was going on, they saw a man dragging a woman from
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the middle of the street up to what they describe as a white or light colored Ford where there was at least one other
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man waiting inside. And when that man pulled the woman close enough to the car, the other one like reached [music]
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out, pulled her inside, and then the guy outside the car grabbed what looked like
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either a purse or they said maybe a brick from the middle of the street before jumping into the car. Now,
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unfortunately, this couple couldn't make out much about the men, but they said that the car sped off west through a
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vioaduct that heads towards the river and the bridge. >> I mean, this has to be Alberta.
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>> I think so, too. Especially because this location where the couple saw this disturbance, [music]
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this is only two blocks away from where Alberta's car ended up being found. Like
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again, you just go a couple of blocks even farther west, there's the car. Go farther west, there's the bridge.
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[music] But if this was Alberta, then where they went in the car is a big mystery [music] because from Glattis's
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house to the bridge is only about 4 miles. From the bridge to where the car is found, that's about three. Round
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trip, you're talking [music] 7 or 8 miles. Add a few miles to account for Alberta picking up the car. She picked
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that up at like 6:00 p.m. that day. She picks it up, drives it home. She drives the Glattuses the same night. They take
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that car to Kingfish back like fine. All told, say she did 15 to 20 m if you want
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to be like really generous. [music] Interestingly, when police compare the odometer to the mileage log when Alberta
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picked up the car, it said that 51 miles had been driven. So, where did the car go and when?
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>> And do we have any sense for when the car got dumped? Where they eventually found it?
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>> We do. Even though the car wasn't reported until Friday the 6th, witnesses reported seeing the car at that same
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spot as early as Thursday morning. So, we have somebody who puts it there the 5th [music] at like 6 a.m. at the
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latest. And police dogs say that it hadn't been moved after that. So, really, that gives us like a 12-hour
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window from when she picks up the car on the 4th at 6:00 p.m. to when it's abandoned on the 5th at 6:00 a.m.
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[music] In that 12-hour window, 51 miles had to have been driven. And we know she's last seen alive at around 200 a.m.
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I really don't think she drove all those miles. [music] Like I said, unless there
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is a part of her night that's unaccounted for, I'm looking at like a high end of 20 for her up until she's
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seen at 2 a.m. Where else did the car go to put on the additional 20 plus miles?
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Somewhere [music] in Indiana, maybe that would explain all the weird bridge stuff. But the thing is, like all that's
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happening seems to be happening in this [music] concentrated part of downtown Louisville. So, it's no surprise that
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police really focused in on that area between where the couple heard screaming and where her car was [music] found. And
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there was actually this pair of brothers that they latch on to, one of whom was rumored to rob people by jumping into
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their cars and beating them. Apparently, a tip gets called in to police that led
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them to these brothers in the first place. Someone told investigators that one of the brothers was seen driving
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Alberta's rental car. And I think the police like got blinded by this because like in their mind like all the pieces
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fit like almost too well. Right area, right MMO, her purse is still gone, right? Has to [music] be it. And when
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police got the brothers hooked up to a polygraph, they end up failing. And so they're even more sure that they're on
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the right trail. But what it took to get the failed polygraph not on the up and up. The brothers
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denied having anything to do with Alberta's death. And one of them said that [music] they failed because they
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took the polygraph after being beaten and interrogated. [music] He said that he was driving a white car
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around the time Alberta died, but it wasn't Alberta's rental, which police confirmed to be true. And when they
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compare these brothers prints to all of the prints from Alberta's rental, neither of theirs match any of them.
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[music] And when the tipster who offered them up in the first place ends up getting like really scrutinized, it came
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to light that they only gave these brothers names with some like weird scheme in mind about police helping a
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relative of theirs like get out of some legal trouble. Like it was like all nonsense.
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>> Like quidd proquo for the tip. >> I guess it's very confusing logic. But it meant that [music] any evidence of
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the brothers being involved fell apart and then police had no choice but to rule them out. Problem was there was no
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one else to rule in. A look at those closest to Alberta hadn't revealed a suspect. [music] I mean her boyfriend is
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ruled out. They had a good relationship. So there was like no motive. His [music]
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prince didn't match the ones found in the Ford and he was home with his mother in the early morning hours that Alberta
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was killed. Police also looked into people Alberta prosecuted or who were unsatisfied clients. thinking maybe
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someone held some kind of grudge against her, but that didn't lead anywhere either. So, the theory that seemed the
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most plausible at the time was that this was a robbery gone wrong. Someone must have just spotted Alberta, pegged her as
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an easy target to take whatever money she had on her in her purse, and [music] you know, it's always hard to solve a
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stranger attack like that. But maybe one day the prince on her car would turn up
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a match. or maybe [music] they would find her missing purse. The truth was both things [music] would end up
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happening. But when they did, it didn't confirm their theories. It actually completely threw them on their head and
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introduced possibilities of conspiracy and cover up. >> 911 emergency. For 40 minutes, a man held six women
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captive inside Elaine Bryant store in Tinley Park, Illinois. Five were executed and the killer escaped.
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>> The search continues for the gunman. >> Authorities have his face, voice, and
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possible DNA. But 18 years later, this case is still unsolved. [music] >> There was no doubt in my mind that we
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were going to get this guy, and I was wrong. >> I'm Dileia Dera, and this [music] is
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Counterclock season 8. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. 3 years passed after Alberta's murder
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without [music] an arrest or really any new updates. But then on July 16th, [music] 1968,
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a group of boys playing on the lower level of the Sherman Mitten [music] Bridge found something that changed this
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entire case. When they leaned over the ledge, they saw this [music] black leather purse tucked into this like hole
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on one of the steel braces. And it wasn't even hard to get to or to grab. So, they did. And inside was a check,
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[music] key rings, lipstick, a lower dental plate, and the ID for Alberta O. Jones. Did they not search the bridge 3
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years ago? I don't know how well they did or didn't [music] search the bridge, but I don't think that matters because I
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actually don't think the purse had been there for [music] 3 years. >> What do you mean,
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>> where it was, it's not like in this enclosed area or anything. It's like [music] right out there in the open,
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exposed to rain, to snow, every other flavor of unpredictable Midwest weather that you can think of. And this thing,
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the contents in it, like it did not seem weatherworn, which makes me think [music]
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someone put it there. Someone wanted it to be found. >> Was it by where her shoes were tossed
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off the bridge or where they like think they were tossed? >> So, that's the thing, too. Both are
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placed or thrown from the lower level. We know that the one that goes from Indiana to Kentucky. But the purse is
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placed closer to the Indiana side, >> like the beginning of the bridge, >> like when you're getting on and then the
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shoes were tossed on like as you're getting off on the Kentucky side. >> So, if it was placed like why [music]
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now? >> That's the question I can't answer. Like I said, there weren't many developments
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in this case. And honestly, it wasn't even like major news anymore. So, it's not like they were close to arresting
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someone or like, you know, someone's trying to like lead them somewhere. So, yeah. Why now? Was someone feeling
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guilty? Was this a clue? Was it possible that someone was trying to subtly tell people that they needed to look back at
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the bridge for answers? [music] Because there was actually a clue early on that involved the bridge in [music] this
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case. A witness who saw something very strange that seemingly just got overlooked or maybe tossed aside as
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insignificant. But I have a hunch of why that was. So, you see, within a week of
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Alberta's murder, Louisville police had set up roadblocks on both the Kentucky and Indiana ones of the bridge, and they
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were stopping motorists, asking if anyone had seen anything suspicious the night of Alberta's murder. They talked
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to like 222 motorists in total. [music] And one of them, a guy named Peter Baker, said that he actually was on the
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bridge that morning. He worked super early because Mr. Baker worked at a bakery. [laughter]
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So, he was in his truck on the bridge with a coworker at like 4:35 a.m. [music] and he says that he saw a white
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car stopped at the center of the bridge and his coworker, Robert Bostock, remembered it, too, though he remembered
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it being a little closer to the exit ramp into Kentucky. Either way, they both remembered that the white car
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wasn't alone out there. Pulled up behind it was [music] a marked Louisville police car. Now, they didn't see anyone
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outside of the cars. And remember, it's estimated that Alberto went into the river between 2:30 and 4:30. So, this
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was like [music] just outside of that window. Okay. By 5 minutes, though. >> I know. But, there were two other people
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that they found who say that they were on the bridge that morning, too, from like 4 to 4:30. And they say that they
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didn't see any cars. So, it seems to be concluded that Alberta was already in the river at that point. And if this was
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her car, she wasn't in it. >> Okay. Well, who's that officer who was stopped on the bridge? Like, what do
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they have to say? >> No one ever cops to it being [music] them. So, like, if it's real, right?
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>> I mean, then then they have something to hide. >> But what? Now, the timing is interesting
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to me because if she went into the river before the car was on the bridge, then why did they go into Indiana in the
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first place? And why did they stop on the way back? >> Right. Like throw the shoes anywhere.
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Like surely there was a more inconspicuous way to get rid of them. Throw them >> in Indiana.
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>> Exactly. [laughter] >> And like two cars wouldn't necessarily need to stop like for that. Right.
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>> Right. Right. It's not like you can say like, oh, the white car was like pulled
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over and a police officer just like stopped to see what was going on because like something it looked suspicious or
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whatever because like a again, why hasn't that officer come forward and be like, I actually pulled someone over on
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the bridge. B, if the officer stopped and had no idea of the situation, like they would have like seen the bloody
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back seat and that would have been cause for concern. Yeah, >> cuz if Alberta is already dead, that
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back seat is covered in blood. If that was Alberta's car and if there was a Louisville police car stopped behind it
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that morning. The only way this makes sense is if whoever was in the police car knows what happened or was involved
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in what happened. >> And the more you dig into this angle, the more you'll realize that there is
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[music] something that really stinks here. going all the way back to the beginning. Like this car tip that was
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dismissed early in the investigation. So before police spoke to Glattis or anyone
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in Alberta's family, there was this senior Louisville police officer who seemed to know like more than he should.
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[music] So the missing person report that her family put in, it didn't name Glattis and it didn't have any details
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about Alberta's movements with Glattis that night. Yet this guy somehow knows about Glattis. Knows that Glattis called
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Alberta to come over. Knows that they went out to eat before he had ever spoken to Glattis or anyone in Alberta's
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family. How? Nobody ever really explains this or even seems to think it's like as
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weird as Alberta's family does. >> I mean, I do. >> Same. But it's just like glossed over.
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So, he's either involved or talking to the people who are involved. Or option C, someone was following Alberta that
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[music] night, whether they were involved or not. And that is not a far-fetched idea because people had been
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following Alberta in the time leading up to her death. >> So remember, I told you that she had
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been scared recently because of her work. >> Well, there's a lot that went into that.
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Alberta had just become the first black [music] female prosecutor in Louisville history. Remember, this is 1965, so I'm
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sure some people weren't too happy about that. And even before that job, Alberta
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was heavily involved in the city's civil rights movement. [music] She was breaking barrier after barrier, and she
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was one of the first black students who attended the University of Louisville, and she was considered the first black
00:26:54
woman to pass the Kentucky Bar Exam. And importantly, she was passionate about registering black citizens to vote. So,
00:27:03
she co-founded the Independent Voters Association and helped register roughly 6,000 black voters in Louisville.
00:27:10
And she was a major part of the group that helped oust Louisville's mayor in 1961 and established new laws against
00:27:18
racial discrimination. She had such a great reputation that Muhammad Ali relied on her to negotiate his first
00:27:24
professional contract. >> Wow. But all of that made her a target. [music] Alberta's family noticed that Alberta
00:27:32
was becoming paranoid in the months leading up to her death. And I honestly hate that word because like paranoid
00:27:38
makes it almost sound like this was like a all in her head or whatever, but like
00:27:42
these were very real things that were happening to her before her death. Alberta told her family about being
00:27:49
followed and about people hitting her car, leaving scrapes. [music] It felt really intentional to her. And
00:27:55
Flora said she knew for a fact herself that Alberta wasn't just imagining things. Because one night in May of
00:28:01
1965, this is like three months before Alberta died. Flora was actually driving Alberta's car. Remember, a distinctive
00:28:09
car. And she saw this car following her, like making every turn, every stop. And
00:28:16
Flora finally pulled over and confronted this other driver. And she said in the car were two white men. And they showed
00:28:22
her a police badge. like Louisville PD. >> That's what she thought. And she said
00:28:27
the men just laughed before speeding [music] off. But later it occurred to Flora they weren't following her. They
00:28:33
were following the pink Thunderbird. They thought she was Alberta. Yes. [music] >> And Flora also remembered one day when
00:28:40
Alberta was talking on the phone to one [music] of her friends. And then when they hung up, the phone rang again. And
00:28:46
when Alberta picked it up, it was a man's voice on the other end joking about the conversation she had just been
00:28:51
having. He heard the entire thing. [music] And so Alberta was convinced that someone
00:28:56
had tapped her phone. >> Okay, that feels like way bigger than the LPD. >> I mean, declassified records show that
00:29:03
the CIA along with other US agencies spied on Martin Luther King Jr., there was a vested government interest in
00:29:11
stopping equality movements that Alberta was a part of. And listen, the very night that Alberto went to see Glattis,
00:29:18
Alberta was apparently reading about the Kennedy assassination. And Alberta [music] said that very night
00:29:25
she hoped that she wouldn't end up like him. After Alberta died, Flora said that the
00:29:32
family learned Alberta had just gotten a burglar alarm put on her car and she had
00:29:38
apparently bought a gun. >> Put on the car that was in the shop that one night. [music]
00:29:42
>> Yeah. And it's not lost on me that so much of this mystery surrounded the bridge connecting Kentucky to Indiana
00:29:49
because Indiana had a resurgence of the KKK in the 1960s. Remember, there's 51 miles on that car. The purse is found on
00:29:59
the Indiana side. There seems to be some tie to Indiana. I just don't know what it is.
00:30:06
>> Were there any Indiana people that showed up in the case file? Not, no, not in like a meaningful way, but like I
00:30:12
don't know how much I actually trust the file because this idea that Alberta could have been targeted. The glaring
00:30:21
reality that this more than anything else makes the most sense for a motive, it seems to have been like totally
00:30:29
ignored. I mean, despite the deceptively large case file, I don't think this case
00:30:33
was truly worked. [music] I think a lot of work was done, but it all feels like [music] a distraction. They spent so
00:30:41
much time on a robbery, maybe even tried shady tactics early on to get a confession. [music] I mean, there was a
00:30:47
point when they accused Alberta of being Glattis's lover, but it was like all nonsense. This running around in circles
00:30:54
addressing anything but the elephant in the room. It did. It led to a lot of work being done on this case. But for
00:31:00
who? Because it didn't seem like it was for Alberta. Otherwise, why 2 days after she was found dead some
00:31:10
of the prints lifted from her car [music] get thrown away? What? Oh, you heard me. [music] And the
00:31:19
story of how this even got found out is wild. So, [music] it's August 9th, 1965.
00:31:27
We're talking days after the murder. [music] And this detective, Detective Lancaster, is working really early
00:31:34
hours. He's there at like 4:30 a.m. And he gets this idea about how they can utilize like the most important physical
00:31:41
evidence that they have in this case, the fingerprints taken from Alberta's rental car. He's like, "You know what?
00:31:46
We should be comparing these to everyone, not just people in her life, but like every felon who gets brought
00:31:51
in. Honestly, [music] even people brought in on lesser charges. Like this doesn't have to be a part of their
00:31:56
record, but we should compare them to these like known suspect prints. >> Not bad ideas,
00:32:01
>> right? Also, he says we should get prints from her Thunderbird that was in the shop. See if any of the prints
00:32:07
match. Like maybe she knew the guy before. Maybe we can like or like rule out people from the rental place.
00:32:13
Precisely. So, crack of dawn, Lancaster pops into the fingerprint lab to talk to the
00:32:19
officer who is in charge over there, [music] Officer Elliot. And as far as I know, no one else is in the room when
00:32:25
this happened. So, I'm just left to imagine the way that the [music] air was sucked out of this room. The look on
00:32:34
officer Elliot's face as he has to tell Detective Lancaster that they don't have
00:32:39
all the prints anymore. And then he gives the reason why. [music] He says that on the morning of Saturday, August
00:32:45
7th, he was just finishing up his overnight shift when two people came into the lab. a sergeant Miller with the
00:32:53
department and a technician with the last name Patterson. Now, technician Patterson had pulled the print cards
00:33:00
from Alberta's case out and was going to go through them. But Sergeant Miller told him, "You know what? Just leave the
00:33:05
prints alone. I'm going to go grab coffee and then I want to look at them." Now, Officer Elliot is leaving as
00:33:10
Sergeant Miller was going to get coffee. Well, fast forward to that night. Officer Elliot reports back for duty.
00:33:17
It's still [music] August 7th, 10 p.m. now. And he goes to pull the prince from Alberta's case. They're actively working
00:33:25
this [music] case. Like now that he is there, Patterson is literally about to go get Alberta's prints so they can rule
00:33:32
out whatever prints are hers. Like that's how fresh this is. Like that hasn't even happened yet.
00:33:38
>> So Elliot goes to the envelope where the print cards are kept and they're empty.
00:33:44
Like all of them are gone. So Elliot looks at Patterson and he's like, "Dude, like where is our evidence?" Patterson
00:33:52
says he doesn't know. He stopped looking at the prince when Sergeant Miller told
00:33:56
him to. He said that Miller was the only one who had gone through them that night. So Elliot starts frantically
00:34:04
looking around the lab. I'm sure he's like rifling through drawers, opening cabinets, like preserving prints is
00:34:09
their main job. He cannot lose these. [music] And that is when he sees them in a trash
00:34:17
bin between desks. Like someone threw these prints away. And because of this, some of them were completely ruined. And
00:34:27
even more concerning, some of them were still missing. The prints that were taken from the left door window were
00:34:38
never recovered. And the magnitude of this cannot be understated because Detective Lancaster said that he was
00:34:45
present when these prints were lifted. He knows they existed. And he states in his memorandum to Major Robert A.
00:34:53
Gregory that those prints were good [music] prints and possibly the most important prints of the bunch. Of
00:35:01
course, there were no photos taken of the prints, no negatives. And so all they had left was one slightly smeared
00:35:07
print from the left door window instead of the actual really good ones [music] that they know they collected. And
00:35:14
Detective Lancaster ends his letter to the major saying [music] they need to contact Sergeant Miller and find out
00:35:20
what he did with the prince or contact the FBI and see if [music] maybe they have them. And what is nuts here is that
00:35:29
there is nothing in the file about anyone ever questioning Miller about the prince, about where the prints are, or
00:35:38
why he may have thrown them in the trash. Instead, he continued working the case and handling evidence even [music]
00:35:45
after those prints got thrown away. That wouldn't be the only time in this case [music] that evidence was destroyed. No
00:35:54
one knows exactly when this next thing happened [music] because no one caught it like Lancaster did the prince or if
00:36:01
they did a memorandum about what happened didn't survive in the file. But in 1988, investigators decided to take
00:36:09
another look at [music] Alberta's case. They still weren't looking at the possibility that Alberta was targeted
00:36:14
because of her civil rights work. They weren't trying to figure out if she was being followed or who was tapping her
00:36:19
phone. and they weren't taking a good hard look at their own department to see if the case was mismanaged. Instead,
00:36:26
they were interested to know if Alberta's case could be connected to another [music] woman's death. Her name
00:36:31
was Dora White, and she had also been found dead in the river a year before Alberta, except [music] no autopsy was
00:36:38
even done on her. And they just assumed that she fell in the river and drowned. So the theory went that maybe like
00:36:45
Alberta was doing some legal estate work for Dora, but Alberta's family basically
00:36:49
like shut that down. She's like, not only was Alberta not working with Dora, they didn't even know each other
00:36:55
personally. [music] And long story short, police ended up saying that they couldn't connect the
00:37:00
cases because none of the people in Dora's case matched the prints in Alberta's.
00:37:04
>> You mean the prints that were smudged and missing? >> Yeah. So, like I wouldn't be using that
00:37:08
as an excuse to write a theory off, which is probably why they went looking to see if they could link other evidence
00:37:14
to Decor's case. But here in 1988 is when they find out, oh, guess what? Almost all of it's gone. Photos. We know
00:37:23
the fingerprints are gone, the blood samples gone. Police had sent some of it off for testing. Some, I guess, went to
00:37:29
the FBI, [music] but detectives were calling around and they just could not track this stuff down. Obviously,
00:37:35
[music] that 1988 investigation didn't get anywhere. And knowing that evidence was now mostly gone, destroyed, missing,
00:37:43
whatever, it's not like there was much to go back and test over the years like we see with so many other cold cases.
00:37:51
>> All they had were a couple of okay fingerprint cards. But officer Elliot saving those cards from the trash would
00:38:01
turn out to be one of the most important moves in this whole case. Because more than 40 years after he
00:38:11
pulled them out of the bin, thanks to new technology, one of the prince got a match.
00:38:24
By 2008, the FBI had an automated system to quickly match even lowquality prints
00:38:30
against a national database electronically. [music] And when cold case investigators in Louisville asked
00:38:36
the FBI to run prints in Alberta's case again after more than four decades, they
00:38:41
finally got some good news. One of the prints hit [music] on a match, and it belonged to a man in California named
00:38:49
Arthur Porter III. But Arthur wasn't a California native. [music] Back in 1965, when he would have been just 17 years
00:38:59
old, he was living in Louisville, Kentucky. His father owned a prominent blackowned funeral home, the same one
00:39:06
that Alberta's body went to. The Louisville detective, now working Alberta's case, wasted no time getting
00:39:12
on a flight out to LA. I mean, this was the biggest, best lead his department ever had. And whatever was done by his
00:39:18
department before, he was charged with solving it now. and he wanted to talk to Arthur who is now 61. And it's kind of a
00:39:26
strange interview because when he sits down with them, Arthur insists [music] that he had nothing to do with what
00:39:32
happened to Alberta Jones while at the same time like seeming to kind of have a little more knowledge about the
00:39:39
situation than I would expect [music] if he was like really in the dark or hadn't
00:39:43
thought about this woman in 40 years. [music] Now, to be fair, when Detective Terry Jones starts this recording, he
00:39:50
introduced himself as a homicide detective with the Louisville Police Department. So, when Arthur is insisting
00:39:56
that he doesn't even know why he's being talked to, but then in the same breath says he didn't kill anybody, like he
00:40:02
could very well be like putting the pieces together, making an assumption. Why else would a homicide detective fly
00:40:07
across the country to meet with you unless it was about a homicide? >> Right. When Detective Jones finally
00:40:12
tells him [music] what homicide he's investigating, Arthur says that he remembers Alberta, even after 40 years.
00:40:20
[music] Now, he never met her personally, didn't hang in the same circle. Like, why would he? I mean, he
00:40:24
reminds the detective more than once that he was barely out of high school then and had no business hanging around
00:40:29
a career woman like Alberta. But before he knows how his name was even brought up in this case, he comments to the
00:40:36
detective, "I've never been with her." >> [music] >> And then the detective asks a cleverly
00:40:41
worded question. Did you work anywhere that summer that she was killed that might have put you in contact with her?
00:40:48
And Arthur says, "No, he worked at his dad's funeral home." So the detective pushes again. Okay. So like no car lots,
00:40:55
like you didn't detail cars, like pumping gas, anything like that. And he says no to all of this. And in doing the
00:41:02
questioning this way, basically Detective Jones is backing him in to like a firm stance that there is no
00:41:07
reasonable explanation for his prince to be on or in Alberta's rental car, but he
00:41:14
never mentions Prince. [music] He asks if any of his jobs would have put him in contact with her, specifically her. And
00:41:22
the answer is no. So the next question the detective asks is, "So leading up to her death, [music] what did you know
00:41:28
about her?" And this is where the answer is a little odd to me. Arthur said all he knows is that she got killed and she
00:41:35
was a lawyer. [music] And if they found his prince, he doesn't know what they were doing with her because he was a
00:41:41
good kid. A bookworm straight out of school who didn't get into any trouble. And Detective Jones doesn't miss a beat.
00:41:48
He's [music] like, "You said Prince, like why are you talking about Prince?" And to be fair, Arthur, like he doesn't
00:41:54
say it like this, but he's like, "Listen, I'm not dumb. you're clearly asking me if there's any reason for me
00:41:58
to have like touched a car, right? Like he's putting the pieces together. >> But once the cat is out of the bag, the
00:42:04
interview goes on and on, round and round. Arthur, at least in text, sounds [music] pretty convincing to me or reads
00:42:12
pretty convincingly to me as he tells detectives that he had no idea how his prince ended up on her car.
00:42:18
>> Where? On her car? >> Well, so this is the catch. We don't actually know all these years later. So,
00:42:23
in the interview, Detective Jones tells Arthur they were in Alberta's vehicle, but actually in the documents we have,
00:42:28
police are never able to determine exactly what part of the car the prints are from. Like, they could be from the
00:42:34
[music] inside, sure, but it's been so long and the original case notes don't say. So, investigators in 2008 [music]
00:42:41
don't actually know for certain. Either way, Detective Jones is like, "Here, let
00:42:45
me just show you the reports." And Arthur's like, "Listen, I don't need to see the reports. I don't care what is
00:42:50
written in these reports. I didn't kill this woman, but you were in her car, right? And Detective Jones isn't super
00:42:58
confrontational. As he like pushes back, he's like, "Listen, this is why I'm here
00:43:01
talking to you. I'm trying to figure this out. I'm not even saying all of these prints are yours. In fact, I know
00:43:07
[music] they're not all yours, but some are. >> Help me. Help you. How could they have
00:43:13
gotten there?" And Arthur says, "Okay, well maybe if the prince are on the hood or something, it got there when him and
00:43:19
his buddies were hanging out." So they start spending some time talking about where they used to hang out that summer.
00:43:26
And this is where it gets really interesting again because Arthur says that they're always on the west side by
00:43:32
where his two buddies lived between Hail Avenue and River Park Drive. [music] Mostly they would hang out at Elliot
00:43:40
Park, which is really interesting when you look at the map again. Just to the east of the park is the convenience
00:43:48
store that Alberta stops at at 2:00 a.m. Just to the west of the park, like right
00:43:52
on the corner, is where the couple saw a woman screaming and being pulled into a
00:43:56
car. And then one street west of the park is where Alberta's car is ultimately found. [music] Arthur just
00:44:01
keeps saying, "I was a good kid. I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't hang around with anybody who did." and he's
00:44:07
even willing to take a polygraph to prove it. So they're like, "Perfect. Let's get this on the books for the next
00:44:14
day." And they do. And Arthur shows up as promised for it. And he [music] fails. In fact, the report found quote
00:44:24
the highest level of deception [music] possible. I think 2008 detectives probably thought they had their man, or
00:44:32
at least they found a man with the answers that they were looking for. But they could not get Arthur to talk
00:44:40
[music] after that. >> I mean, does does he need to if they've got his prince? >> Yeah. But like not knowing where the
00:44:47
prince are from leaves this door open to a million explanations. So even though they it seems like want to charge Arthur
00:44:54
with something, the Kentucky Commonwealth Attorney refuses. In a letter that they sent to the Louisville
00:45:01
Metro Police Department, it says that the state would not prosecute Arthur. then or ever because the case wouldn't
00:45:09
hold up in court. >> Okay. So, if Arthur was involved in some way, I guess I have all the questions
00:45:16
like why, how? Well, I thought it was really interesting that Arthur mentioned two friends that he was with a lot that
00:45:26
summer. Cuz I was thinking about that gas station sighting of Alberta. There were
00:45:30
>> three teens. >> Mhm. What if that was them? Also, come down the rabbit hole with me real quick.
00:45:37
There was another runin that Alberta had with teenagers that night, and I didn't
00:45:42
mention it yet. So, back when her and Glattis went to Kingfish to grab a bite, Glattis said that two white boys were
00:45:49
yelling perverse things at [music] them from their car, they actually drove off because of it. Now, she said that she
00:45:56
didn't notice [music] them following the car or anything, but is it possible that
00:46:01
those two white boys met up with Arthur later? Remember, we don't know the race or have any descriptions for the three
00:46:10
boys from the gas station. I was going to ask, >> but I do suspect [music] that Arthur's
00:46:15
two friends were white because while their names are redacted from the transcript, [music] what's not redacted
00:46:23
is the part where Arthur tells police that his two friends, their dads worked for Louisville PD. One was a sergeant
00:46:31
and one was a major. I know at the time that Louisville PD was predominantly white. So that's what I'm basing my
00:46:40
assumption off of. >> Well, and is that the real reason the fingerprint cards [music] disappeared?
00:46:46
Makes you wonder, right? And listen, I went down a rabbit hole of yearbooks and obituaries trying to figure out who
00:46:54
these guys could be. I could not pin it down. [music] I will say that the sergeant Miller, the one who was last
00:47:01
with the print cards before some magically went missing, >> I think I found the right Miller based
00:47:06
on his obituary. He only had girls, so I don't think that was like him protecting
00:47:10
his kid. >> Okay. But someone else's? >> I don't know because [music] this 2008 investigation feels a little like the
00:47:18
1965 one. [music] Even though there are a lot of documents and work, the work I want to see is either missing or wasn't
00:47:28
done because I can't find any records of them going and speaking to the friends that Arthur names to figure out if they
00:47:34
know anything or had any connection to Alberta's case. The mention of them just kind of like goes away just like the
00:47:40
prince did. [music] And listen, maybe Arthur's prince are a red herring. We couldn't ask Arthur about it ourselves
00:47:49
because [music] he passed away in 2024, maintaining his innocence. If it was just like a group of teens though,
00:47:57
Arthur or not, do you think it really was just like some robbery gone wrong? >> So, no matter who it was, I really don't
00:48:10
think that that was the motive [music] because I don't think Alberta just randomly encountered her killer. Like I
00:48:16
actually think that she was set up from the beginning. I mean, think about it. She didn't want to go out. She had been
00:48:24
extra cautious lately. It would have been hard to get her in a vulnerable position unless she was lured out of the
00:48:33
house. Maybe by someone she trusted. Are you saying Glattis was in on it? I don't
00:48:40
know for sure, but I can tell you that Alberta's family always [music] suspected that. Her sister Flora still
00:48:48
suspects that. Cuz there are some things that just [music] don't add up. Like for
00:48:53
one, over the years, Glattis's story of what happened the night Alberta came over kind of changed. [music] I mean, at
00:49:01
first she said that she watched Alberta get into her car before she went inside,
00:49:04
right? But in a later interview, she said that she watched Alberta actually drive away. This isn't like a huge deal.
00:49:12
I think it could be easy to misremember some things over years. But what is a huge deal is that in her original story,
00:49:19
it was that Alberta came over, she fits the wig, they go to Kingfish, and then they come back and Alberta said that she
00:49:24
wanted the wig like trimmed up a little bit more. She didn't like the way that like the bangs fell or something. So,
00:49:28
they went back into Glattis's house before Alberta left. But in one of the later interviews, Glattis said that
00:49:35
Alberta didn't [music] come back inside her house at all after they went to Kingfish that night. I mean, that's not
00:49:42
like that huge. It's not saying she didn't come over at all. Right. >> No, but this highlights the thing that I
00:49:49
am obsessed over. Was or wasn't there a wig? >> What do you mean? >> The whole reason Alberta supposedly goes
00:49:59
to Glattises that night is for this wig, right? like Glattus. Sure, she wanted to
00:50:03
talk legal stuff, too. Whatever, whatever. But she wanted Alberta to get this wig.
00:50:07
>> Alberta gets the wig put on. Alberta is supposedly wearing the wig when she leaves. Where's the wig, Britt? Cuz
00:50:15
guess what? Alberta didn't have a wig on when she was pulled from the river. There wasn't a wig in her car or in her
00:50:21
purse when that's found years later. And listen, admittedly, I don't know a lot about wearing wigs in general, much less
00:50:26
the techniques of applying wigs back in 1965. But I did wear one wig for our Halloween
00:50:32
photo shoot. And that baby was glued to my head. So I kept thinking, I doubt her
00:50:39
wig wasn't like secured, right? Like it's not just like sitting. >> Her hairdresser like fitted on her. It
00:50:44
didn't just float away in the river. So I did a lot of phoning a friend talking to women in our office who have worn
00:50:50
wigs, including the reporter for this case, [music] Char Adams. And everyone said that the wig would have been
00:50:57
secured. likely not glued though because it seems that was kind of rare back in 1965.
00:51:04
>> So, I think that's important too because it's not like the water like loosened
00:51:08
the glue, right? It more than likely means that the wig was secured on with pins. So, why wasn't the wig on her head
00:51:16
when she was found? The autopsy said that Alberta had a cut on her forehead right near her hairline that looked like
00:51:24
she was maybe jabbed with a stick. Other than that, there was nothing out of the
00:51:29
ordinary about her hair. There wasn't a report of any pins or combs to hold down
00:51:34
the wig. [music] So, like I keep coming back to, was there a wig? >> Glattis did provide a similar wig to
00:51:43
police. So, they knew what they were looking for. Now, to be clear, Flora said that the family never suspected
00:51:50
that Glattis actually committed the murder, but they did know that she was in [music] debt. So, they think that
00:51:58
someone maybe paid her to get Alberta out of the house that night and she took the job to help pay off her debts, not
00:52:04
thinking that anyone was going to kill Alberta. I mean, wouldn't you think she would just say that though? Like, if
00:52:10
that's what happened. I think it depends on who's paying you, right? Like, would
00:52:15
who would you be pointing the finger at? Are they scary people? Are [music] they
00:52:18
powerful people? I mean, maybe that's not even what happened. There is actually one theory that the family
00:52:24
heard about from a detective that could explain a lot, including the missing wig. So, in the year after Alberta died,
00:52:33
there was supposedly this guy in a Chicago jail who was planning to confess to being involved in Alberta's murder
00:52:40
along with two other people. And the man said that they were in Louisville to rob
00:52:44
a bank around the time Alberta died, but then they got this better deal to kill an attorney. And according to Flora, the
00:52:51
man said that they killed Alberta and then sold her wig somewhere in Kentucky. But the detective who told the family
00:52:58
about this came back later and said that the guy had been stabbed [music] to death in jail before the detective could
00:53:04
even go talk to him personally. >> That seems convenient, >> right? Weird timing. And whether or not
00:53:09
that story was true or connected, this whole case reeks of something bigger. Bigger than just who killed Alberta, the
00:53:19
question for her family is who was behind her killing, who might have helped cover it up? Because it feels
00:53:27
like someone in power had a hand in this. [music] And if that's the case, then it likely has to do with one or two
00:53:36
places where Alberta was getting in the way for people. either it had to do with
00:53:41
her civil rights work or it had to do with her work involving Muhammad Ali. So I told you earlier that Alberta
00:53:51
negotiated his first professional contract. But she was also managing a lot of his money, like [music] 15% of
00:53:59
all the winnings at the height of his career. It was kept in a trust that he couldn't touch until he was 35. And if
00:54:05
someone wanted that money, they had to go through Alberta. Now, this started to get explored a little in the 1980s
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investigation. A detective reported that Ali wanted some of his money to go to the Nation of Islam, but Alberta
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refused. And the detective said that they even argued about it. And Ali told Alberta that members of the NOI really
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wanted that money. But all lines of inquiry into this stopped when the detective's wife started receiving
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threats. Said that if her husband didn't back off that they would put her in the
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river. So he just backed off. Seems like he just backed off. Yeah. But this avenue is getting renewed attention now
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thanks to a professor at Bellereman University in Louisville named Lee Remington. She has been studying this
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case for a book that she's writing about Alberta's life and death. And so far, she says this is the direction that
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seems most promising. She expects to lay out more evidence like a potential money
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trail leading back to Alberta's killer when she publishes, though there is no publish date quite yet. Like I
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mentioned, the book is about more than just Alberta's [music] death. Alberta made a huge impact on her community in
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the 34 years of life that she had. And Flora and Lee have made sure that she won't be lost in history. In 2017,
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Louisville honored Alberta as a hometown hero and hung a banner with her picture
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on a massive bank building along a street named [music] after Muhammad Ali. The city named a park after Alberta. And
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there is an annual Alberta O. Jones Park Day. Alberta's been gone for over 60 years,
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but it's never too late for justice. So, if anyone out there has information about her death, you can contact the
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Louisville Metro Police Department's cold case [music] squad at 502-5747055 or you can email us directly
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